date:20100424

>  Smitty,
> FYI

Thanks. . . .I saw it also a second or so after I sent it out.
No hacking after all, thank god  !!


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CS>Straight Talk with Jim Humble Newsletter 11

Ooops! Our newsletter site is temporarily down!
But we posted the newsletter right back up again
on another server =

http://www.mareaweb.net/mms/NEWS011.htm

We apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused you.
This is not a problem with the FDA, the ACS, the CIA , the FBI,
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It is a simple accounting issue that can be resolved on Monday.


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CS>Fw: RESEND - Straight Talk with Jim Humble Newsletter 11

2010-04-24 Thread Norton, Steve

Smitty,
FYI

From: mmsn...@mmsnews.org  
To: Norton, Steve 
Sent: Sat Apr 24 20:43:52 2010
Subject: RESEND - Straight Talk with Jim Humble Newsletter 11 

Straight Talk with Jim Humble Newsletter 11

Ooops! Our newsletter site is temporarily down! But we posted the newsletter 
right back up again on another server: http://www.mareaweb.net/mms/NEWS011.htm 

We apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused you. This is not a 
problem with the FDA, the ACS, the CIA , the FBI, etc and Jim is in excellent 
health.

It is a simple accounting issue that can be resolved on Monday.

If you have not yet seen the MMS Newsletter 11, please open and have a look, 
the controversial announcement that Jim has made is bringing in a lot of email 
inquiries and comments, and all but one are positive and supportive!

Click here to see what it is all about: http://www.mareaweb.net/mms/NEWS011.htm

Thank you and good fortune to you always.

Jim Humble

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CS>Is all ionizing radiation harmful???

2010-04-24 Thread Del


Most of the recent discussion views radiation as harmful.
And it frequently is.
But is it ever actually healthful?
I don't know, but Daddybob (who we have not heard from recently) had this to 
say on this list in Feb., 2010:


"A word about Radiation Hormesis...We have all been conditioned to believe
that all radiation is bad radiation. T'ain't so. We, our family, have no
fear whatsoever of any part of the recommendations and products offered by
NightHawk. However, as with anything, there is always too much of a good
thing."

DaddyBob

NightHawk radiation hormesis page:
http://www.nighthawkminerals.com/researchit.html
Lots of information here that contradicts commonly held beliefs about 
radiation.

Are they right?  Is low dose radiation good for you?
I don't know, but I am interested in reading more about it.

Del





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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-24 Thread Paul Steel

Kristen

Do you have lyme disease?
 
Paul Steel
h 508.520.6905
c 508.922.0519
The harder you work the luckier you get!

 





From: Kirsteen Wright 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 2:42:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

To be honest I think I actually joined this site a while ago. However I've been 
really ill lately, in fact bedbound so I was hoping to get something already 
made up to save the effort. Even if I want to make something I need to hunt 
down the parts to get them delivered and I have so very very little energy at 
the moment. Did you think these looked ok?

Cheers
Kirsteen


On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Steve G  wrote:

Kirsteen,
>
>I recommend that you check out the microelectricity-germkiller yahoo group and 
>read up on their files and postings.    What they experiment with and use is 
>low voltage (max of 6 volts) direct current for the purpose of killing germs 
>and viruses.    They stronger advise against anything higher than 6 volts and 
>believe that more than that is dangerous.
>
>This isn't the same thing as Dr. Clark's zapper though, so different levels 
>apply.
>
>I found an excellent description comparing the various electrical alternative 
>treatments, including Clark's Zapper, the Godzilla, Rife Machines and so on.   
>Message 18610 on the Microelectricitygermkiller yahoo group message archive.   
>Or if you don't want to go there check out the web page I created that 
>includes this info.
>
>http://www.eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/medical/electricity.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Kirsteen Wright 
>>Subject: CS>Zapper
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:13 AM 
>>
>>
>>
>>I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between these 
>>two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having the 
>>dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a
>>
>>and
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d
>>
>>I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
>>
>>Any advice would be really welcome
>>
>>Cheers
>>Kirsteen
>> 
>

Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #444

2010-04-24 Thread Christina Mattson

Hi Michael, Someone (sorry i don't remember who at the moment) had mentioned 
Swedish Bitters for an ear infection to someone and also to me for a gallstone.
I did some research and in that read that i can help heal scar tissue so i 
decided it was a good thing to have on hand and purchased two different brands, 
one is by Nurtures Way and the other is by Nature Works which has alcohol in 
it. I took the Nature works and believe it worded because i can now eat foods i 
was not able to before. My son also got a cold which turned in Pneumonia  
accompanied by any ear infection so i started putting it in his ear and it 
worked, also there was a tube in one ear that the Doctor said they would 
probably have to remove with surgery and within days after using the bitters it 
was gone along with the infection. he also has a problem with vertigo and that 
seems to have stopped.
I am hoping it also helps the scar tissue because i read that can restrict the 
eardrum from vibrating properly which can lead to various degrees of hearing 
loss. 
 I also read that some people in Europe will put it in their ear at the first 
sign of a cold and it stops the cold. I have been putting it in my ear to keep 
me from getting sick from my son and my husband and have not gotten sick at 
all. 
My whole family also takes Black Elderberry for cold and flu virus and it works 
wonders. Our favorite brand is the one in Glycerite form from Herb Pharm. The 
best price i can find is on HEBSPRO www.herbspro.com. I also oredered a few 
plants so i can grow my own.
One more thing, the one by Natures Nunshine is good too and is alcohol free, i 
have been putting a little in my 4 year old son's juice once a day and it has 
helped his chronic constipation that he has had since a surgery he had at 6 
months of age. He also takes a good pro biotic regularly.
I am also going to follow the advice here and get a negative ion generator.
Tina
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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-24 Thread Dan Nave

So, are the wires wrapped around the crystals?  Or are they just run
up beside them?

Dan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:18 PM, bodhisattva  wrote:
> Agreed.  No broken wires in Don's Circuit.
>
> My South African Made Don-Croft style arrived today. I like Don's personal
> ones better in my opinion, higher quality components and a cleaner design.
> But this one is a "Backup", and should suffice when used in that capacity.
>  Also this one doesn't have a very good piece of orgonite in it, the
> resin/metal matrix isn't nearly dense enough. MHD (Medium High Density)
> makes the best generic orgonite, this is Low Density, he also uses alum
> chips, copper or steel is a better choice.. I like the bigger contacts on
> Don's, and his wiring is very very clean compared to the one from South
> Africa. The upside, and it is a big one, it has straps on it so you can wear
> it around.  It has a aux-jack so you can use it to make highly charged
> Colloidal Silver.  These are two very n ice features.
>
> Still, I am happy with the purchase as it was only $68.00, but I am also
> glad I have one made by Don.  It's sort of like if you have an BMW and Audi,
> both are nice cars, one just a bit better, but both will suffice especially
> when someone else is driving the better one.  If there is an "Outbreak" I
> want enough zapping power in the home that can handle the load of 5 people
> swapping it back and forth, you know?  Having just one seems to stretch it
> out, there are times when a couple of us want to use it at the same time.
>
> Bob Banever wrote:
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>>     I have a recent Don Croft design zapper and I don't see any broken
>> wires in it.  Some are wrapped around a magnet and the orgonite block is
>> sitting on top of some wires as far as I can tell.
>>
>>      Bob
>> - Original Message - From: "Dan Nave" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: CS>Zapper
>>
>>
>> Do you know the details of how the Don Croft "zapper" is made?  I have
>> several Hulda Clark type zappers that I made and wouldn't mind
>> experimenting with something like this.
>>
>> Actually, at this point I don't consider the Don Croft Zapper to be
>> the same sort of thing as the Hulda Clark zapper because, apparently,
>> he has crystals "in line" with the electrodes.  If this means that the
>> wires are broken, and each end connects to the crystal, then there is
>> virtually no current traveling through this circuit.  (Unless it means
>> that the wires are not broken, and are wrapped around the crystals or
>> run parallel to the crystals...)
>>
>> People are very imprecise in their descriptions!...  Mostly, they
>> don't know what they are talking about, and they don't have any idea
>> about what they don't know about it either.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:06 AM, bodhisattva 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design. The
>>> subtle
>>> energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that, the
>>> electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the time,
>>> anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with Don's
>>> assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide variety of
>>> things.
>>>
>>> We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I
>>> purchased
>>> a second one! The second one is coming from Africa, not made by Don but
>>> by
>>> someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the price, and I
>>> want
>>> to test effectiveness.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kirsteen Wright wrote:

 I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
 these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to
 having
 the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.



 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

 and



 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

 I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

 Any advice would be really welcome

 Cheers
 Kirsteen
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #444

You might want to go to www.tatlife.com or www.naet.com and see which one 
appeals to you.  It has been a long time since I studied NAET and things may 
have changed but it used to be that you had to go to a practitioner.  TAT you 
can learn free and treat your son yourself.  There is a download on the website 
and if you would like to contact me backchannel I will be happy to talk with 
you about it.
Blessings,
PT



anth...@2betdsi.com wrote: 
First I would like to thank everyone for their replies. 

To answer a few of the questions that were asked 

 1- His room is mustard yellow with Red and blue shaded decals on the 
walls. I spoke with my wife about this last night and she wanted to stay away 
from dark colors cause she says they are associated with depression. We settled 
on light blue and will make the change in the next couple weeks. (My son is a 
big fan of Red and not sure where that come) 

 2- We have been to several Allergie doctors already as my wife has 
suffered form allergies since her childhood. We cut out dairy over the past 6 
months, maybe a bit longer, and haven't noticed any changes. 

 3- He hasn't had any serious stool issues, when we stopped Dairy and took 
out yogurt he would back up a bit for a day then go. We spoke last night that 
we may start giving him yogurt again so he is more regular. 

 4- The only vaccines that he received were the day he was born(I wasn't 
even aware that they did that) then we gave him one when he turned one month. 
After seeing his violent screaming reactions from each I started looking up 
online about vaccines and he hasn't received any since. 

 Yesterday my son had an appointment with a new Allergy doctor. His ears 
look good aside from some scarring from past ear infections. His throat and 
tonsils were a bit red but no infection. He has had a a cough with lots of flem 
and this has been for 2 months now. He had 103 fever for two days this week and 
the doctor thinks its from allergies since he sees no infection. He gave us one 
antibiotic to take to prevent infection and a thing called Singulair to help 
his immune system. We used to give Singulair until I looked it up and seen that 
it has Aspartame in it. 

 My wife and I discussed and agreed not to give him more antibiotic unless 
infections get serious. I ordered a CS generator, I am going to order today the 
Negative Ion generator for his room , I would like to take you up on the 
Orgonite offer please let me know how to get funds to you.  His room is right 
near where we have our WiFi so we will for sure move that and make sure its 
disconnected at night which is when his coughing is always worse. 

 Hopefully these things do the trick and he gets well. I noticed the Zapper 
and MMS and MMS2 in other e-mails here, they seem a bit out there but at this 
point I an willing to try anything to see my son get well. 

 Thanks again fro everyone's time and advice. 

Michael

Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector

I don't have drywall, it's natural plaster hand spread, very nice stuff, 
but not cheap.  Anyway, the huge issue with Drywall I have heard only 
applies to the garbage coming from China. 


http://www.chinesedrywallproblem.com/


Richard Goodwin wrote:

Is gypsum dangerous in any way?

I know every home just about is full of it in the form of wallboard, but I live 
across the river from a gypsum plant where 300' ships arrive periodically and 
offload many tons of gypsum that they then turn into wallboard.  Any danger 
from that?

Dick

  



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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #444

Remember what I said about him having too much "Fire" in TCM terms?  
Your son has what is called "Rising Fire" in TCM, basically, this can 
cause all kinds of fire related infections in the upper systems. He 
needs to be "Cooled", which means bringing down the fire, lowering Yang, 
and bringing up the Yin. (in very simple terms)


Well Red and Yellow are "Fire" colors, they are very hot, not good for 
bedrooms but for places you don't spend a whole lot of time.  As far as 
shades of blue, I recommend "Greek Blue" as one of the best shades. 
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3141/2840918766_f4f675618a.jpg Bedroom 
colors are beiges, greens, blues, violets in my opinion.


Probiotics are good, no need for yogurt if you give him a good childrens 
chewable probiotic, then see how he benefits from this over the long 
term.  My kids experienced really amazing results on probiotics!  Well 
worth the money IMO.


Negative ions may help him out quite a lot, with a 30+ day return policy 
it's certainly worth a try. I have 8 ionizers from MysticMarvels in this 
home and they seem quite beneficial. Although I am still in the "Test" 
phase of them, we've had them for approximately 6 months. We've had 
visitors to our home experience "Remarkable Healings", that's for sure.. 
Always nice to get affirmations.


I /*highly recommend*/ disconnecting WiFi and all wireless techs, and 
see how he changes. I certainly would never have any on during the 
night!  Also make sure to move electrical appliances out of his room or 
very far from his bed. Personally I like battery operated stuff in my 
rooms. EMF fields can cause immune issues, blood changes, and allergy 
like symptoms, this has been pretty well confirmed by a whole lot of 
people allergic to microwaves. Consider hitting the breakers for his 
room when he goes to bed, not always practical but you need to go into 
combat mode for this, and do what you need to do. Later you can relax 
once his health is fully restored.


My son has a friend that has horrible ear/throat infections, asthma, 
allergies, and coughing all of the time.  He spent the night here and 
had absolutely no symptoms! Not saying this would apply to everyone, but 
it was good affirmation that his issue is "Environmental" in his home, 
you know? I will make him a nice special piece he can keep in his room 
to clean up the ethers in there, that will eliminate that potential problem.


anth...@2betdsi.com wrote:

First I would like to thank everyone for their replies.

To answer a few of the questions that were asked

 1- His room is mustard yellow with Red and blue shaded decals on the 
walls. I spoke with my wife about this last night and she wanted to 
stay away from dark colors cause she says they are associated with 
depression. We settled on light blue and will make the change in the 
next couple weeks. (My son is a big fan of Red and not sure where that 
come)


 2- We have been to several Allergie doctors already as my wife has 
suffered form allergies since her childhood. We cut out dairy over the 
past 6 months, maybe a bit longer, and haven't noticed any changes.


 3- He hasn't had any serious stool issues, when we stopped Dairy and 
took out yogurt he would back up a bit for a day then go. We spoke 
last night that we may start giving him yogurt again so he is more 
regular.


 4- The only vaccines that he received were the day he was born(I 
wasn't even aware that they did that) then we gave him one when he 
turned one month. After seeing his violent screaming reactions from 
each I started looking up online about vaccines and he hasn't received 
any since.


 Yesterday my son had an appointment with a new Allergy doctor. His 
ears look good aside from some scarring from past ear infections. His 
throat and tonsils were a bit red but no infection. He has had a a 
cough with lots of flem and this has been for 2 months now. He had 103 
fever for two days this week and the doctor thinks its from allergies 
since he sees no infection. He gave us one antibiotic to take to 
prevent infection and a thing called Singulair to help his immune 
system. We used to give Singulair until I looked it up and seen that 
it has Aspartame in it.


 My wife and I discussed and agreed not to give him more antibiotic 
unless infections get serious. I ordered a CS generator, I am going to 
order today the Negative Ion generator for his room , I would like to 
take you up on the Orgonite offer please let me know how to get funds 
to you.  His room is right near where we have our WiFi so we will for 
sure move that and make sure its disconnected at night which is when 
his coughing is always worse.


 Hopefully these things do the trick and he gets well. I noticed the 
Zapper and MMS and MMS2 in other e-mails here, they seem a bit out 
there but at this point I an willing to try anything to see my son get 
well.


 Thanks again fro everyone's time and advice.

Michael

Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector

2010-04-24 Thread Richard Goodwin

Is gypsum dangerous in any way?

I know every home just about is full of it in the form of wallboard, but I live 
across the river from a gypsum plant where 300' ships arrive periodically and 
offload many tons of gypsum that they then turn into wallboard.  Any danger 
from that?

Dick


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CS>ot: Biggest study on cellphone health effects launched

Are you going to wait 30 years? Delay delay delay, that's the goal.  
Don't mess with a trillion dollar industry, you know?


http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63L1ZD20100422


 Biggest study on cellphone health effects launched

Re: CS>Zapper


Agreed.  No broken wires in Don's Circuit.

My South African Made Don-Croft style arrived today. I like Don's 
personal ones better in my opinion, higher quality components and a 
cleaner design. But this one is a "Backup", and should suffice when used 
in that capacity.  Also this one doesn't have a very good piece of 
orgonite in it, the resin/metal matrix isn't nearly dense enough. MHD 
(Medium High Density) makes the best generic orgonite, this is Low 
Density, he also uses alum chips, copper or steel is a better choice.. I 
like the bigger contacts on Don's, and his wiring is very very clean 
compared to the one from South Africa. The upside, and it is a big one, 
it has straps on it so you can wear it around.  It has a aux-jack so you 
can use it to make highly charged Colloidal Silver.  These are two very 
n ice features.


Still, I am happy with the purchase as it was only $68.00, but I am also 
glad I have one made by Don.  It's sort of like if you have an BMW and 
Audi, both are nice cars, one just a bit better, but both will suffice 
especially when someone else is driving the better one.  If there is an 
"Outbreak" I want enough zapping power in the home that can handle the 
load of 5 people swapping it back and forth, you know?  Having just one 
seems to stretch it out, there are times when a couple of us want to use 
it at the same time.


Bob Banever wrote:

Dan,

 I have a recent Don Croft design zapper and I don't see any 
broken wires in it.  Some are wrapped around a magnet and the orgonite 
block is sitting on top of some wires as far as I can tell.


  Bob
- Original Message - From: "Dan Nave" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper


Do you know the details of how the Don Croft "zapper" is made?  I have
several Hulda Clark type zappers that I made and wouldn't mind
experimenting with something like this.

Actually, at this point I don't consider the Don Croft Zapper to be
the same sort of thing as the Hulda Clark zapper because, apparently,
he has crystals "in line" with the electrodes.  If this means that the
wires are broken, and each end connects to the crystal, then there is
virtually no current traveling through this circuit.  (Unless it means
that the wires are not broken, and are wrapped around the crystals or
run parallel to the crystals...)

People are very imprecise in their descriptions!...  Mostly, they
don't know what they are talking about, and they don't have any idea
about what they don't know about it either.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:06 AM, bodhisattva 
 wrote:
My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design. The 
subtle

energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that, the
electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the time,
anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with Don's
assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide variety of
things.

We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I 
purchased
a second one! The second one is coming from Africa, not made by Don 
but by
someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the price, and 
I want

to test effectiveness.


Kirsteen Wright wrote:


I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage 
to having

the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a 



and


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d 



I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen



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CS>Jim Humble site

I sent an inquiry to Jim's email address & recd the following =

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

mmsn...@mmsnews.org

Technical details of permanent failure:
DNS Error: Domain name not found

~~

Anyone know what's going on ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Click here to read the latest newsletter from Jim Humble:

> Click here to read the latest newsletter from Jim Humble:
> http://www.mmsnews.org/NEWS011.htm
>
> Couldn't get it Chuck.  dee

I suspect the site has been hacked.
If so. . . .by who ?

Smitty


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Re: CS>Zapper


Dan,

 I have a recent Don Croft design zapper and I don't see any broken 
wires in it.  Some are wrapped around a magnet and the orgonite block is 
sitting on top of some wires as far as I can tell.


  Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper


Do you know the details of how the Don Croft "zapper" is made?  I have
several Hulda Clark type zappers that I made and wouldn't mind
experimenting with something like this.

Actually, at this point I don't consider the Don Croft Zapper to be
the same sort of thing as the Hulda Clark zapper because, apparently,
he has crystals "in line" with the electrodes.  If this means that the
wires are broken, and each end connects to the crystal, then there is
virtually no current traveling through this circuit.  (Unless it means
that the wires are not broken, and are wrapped around the crystals or
run parallel to the crystals...)

People are very imprecise in their descriptions!...  Mostly, they
don't know what they are talking about, and they don't have any idea
about what they don't know about it either.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:06 AM, bodhisattva  
wrote:

My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design. The subtle
energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that, the
electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the time,
anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with Don's
assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide variety of
things.

We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I 
purchased

a second one! The second one is coming from Africa, not made by Don but by
someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the price, and I 
want

to test effectiveness.


Kirsteen Wright wrote:


I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to 
having

the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen



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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #444

2010-04-24 Thread anthony


First I would like to thank everyone for their replies.

To answer a few of the questions that were asked

 1- His room is mustard yellow with Red and blue shaded decals on the 
walls. I spoke with my wife about this last night and she wanted to stay 
away from dark colors cause she says they are associated with depression. We 
settled on light blue and will make the change in the next couple weeks. (My 
son is a big fan of Red and not sure where that come)


 2- We have been to several Allergie doctors already as my wife has 
suffered form allergies since her childhood. We cut out dairy over the past 
6 months, maybe a bit longer, and haven't noticed any changes.


 3- He hasn't had any serious stool issues, when we stopped Dairy and took 
out yogurt he would back up a bit for a day then go. We spoke last night 
that we may start giving him yogurt again so he is more regular.


 4- The only vaccines that he received were the day he was born(I wasn't 
even aware that they did that) then we gave him one when he turned one 
month. After seeing his violent screaming reactions from each I started 
looking up online about vaccines and he hasn't received any since.


 Yesterday my son had an appointment with a new Allergy doctor. His ears 
look good aside from some scarring from past ear infections. His throat and 
tonsils were a bit red but no infection. He has had a a cough with lots of 
flem and this has been for 2 months now. He had 103 fever for two days this 
week and the doctor thinks its from allergies since he sees no infection. He 
gave us one antibiotic to take to prevent infection and a thing called 
Singulair to help his immune system. We used to give Singulair until I 
looked it up and seen that it has Aspartame in it.


 My wife and I discussed and agreed not to give him more antibiotic unless 
infections get serious. I ordered a CS generator, I am going to order today 
the Negative Ion generator for his room , I would like to take you up on the 
Orgonite offer please let me know how to get funds to you.  His room is 
right near where we have our WiFi so we will for sure move that and make 
sure its disconnected at night which is when his coughing is always worse.


 Hopefully these things do the trick and he gets well. I noticed the Zapper 
and MMS and MMS2 in other e-mails here, they seem a bit out there but at 
this point I an willing to try anything to see my son get well.


 Thanks again fro everyone's time and advice.

Michael




From: Bob Banever
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:39 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>3 year old and CS


Michael,

It is possible your son is allergic to something in his diet, 
perhaps dairy food or wheat.  You might try eliminating milk and dairy from 
his diet to see if this is the cause.  If not, try eliminationg wheat. 
These are two common allergens in children although there are many others. 
Alot of kids have trouble with their immune systems from damage due to 
vaccines.  This can be repaired over time.


Bob
 - Original Message - 
 From: bodhisattva

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:19 PM
 Subject: Re: CS>3 year old and CS


 EMF/WIFI can cause IG panel issues and deficiency.  This is what happened 
with my son after we cranked on the WiFi.  When we mitigated all wireless 
technology, his IG panels returned to normal.  These are linked to sleep, 
immune system, and blood/BBB, all of which can get whacked out of shape by 
EMF fields. As children mature, their skulls get thicker, and these signals 
don't have as much of an acute effect and it moves to more of a long term 
accumulative issue.


 Of course if you have no wireless in your home, cell phones, DECT 
cordless, or any towers aimed at your home, this probably wouldn't be it. 
Ironically, some stronger baby monitors have been found to do this in 
children. Here is an MRI of cell phone penetration of the skull variance 
based on age.  As you can see, 5 is sort of a point where the signals start 
to get reduced.


 http://willthomas.net/images/cellphone_skull_penetration.gif



 Steve G wrote:
 When my second son was in his first year, we went to his 
pediatrician for his 1 year checkup.He had numerous ear infections, 
sinus infections etc.  The antibiotics would run their course, he'd be 
better and immediately get bad again.  What a pain!


 At his checkup, we found out that he had not grown at all for the 
last 6 months.   This was a sign of trouble.   Turns out, he had a rare 
immunoglobulin A deficiency.   The doctor had been in practice for 35 years 
at that point and this was only the second case he had ever run into. 
Apparently there are three different immunoglobulins, and each one covers a 
different area.What is extremely rare is when a child has two 
deficiencies, or the VERY rare deficiency in which they are deficient in all 
three these kids are the 'bubble' kids.


 For my son though, it

Re: CS>Zapper--Kirsteen

2010-04-24 Thread Tel Tofflemire

 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

From: Tel Tofflemire 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 12:23:33 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

I tried several, the ones I tried were all good,Beck, Rife, Dr Clark, But I 
love the simple Dr Clark the best because it is so simple.  I used to work for 
Dr. Clark in the 2000-2003 area, I used he zappers a lot then so I could 
explain them to others.  They work.  Dr Clark died, but her work goes on.
try,  http://www.drclark.com 
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

 Kirsteen Wright wrote:

 I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
 these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having
 the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-24 Thread Tel Tofflemire

I tried several, the ones I tried were all good,Beck, Rife, Dr Clark, But I 
love the simple Dr Clark the best because it is so simple.  I used to work for 
Dr. Clark in the 2000-2003 area, I used he zappers a lot then so I could 
explain them to others.  They work.  Dr Clark died, but her work goes on.
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.






 Kirsteen Wright wrote:

 I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
 these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having
 the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.

Re: CS>Orgonite to Bodhisattva

2010-04-24 Thread Paula Perry


Hi,
Could you email me about how to go about purchasing some orgonite? I would like 
to remove some negative energy.
Thanks,
Paula
p...@zoomnet.net

-Original Message-
>From: bodhisattva 
>Sent: Apr 24, 2010 11:14 AM
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall
>
>I was going to mention stuff like this, but I didn't want to creep 
>anyone out. Last night I was going to post the kinds of things I have to 
>do physically to shore myself up in this line of work, and if I mess up 
>it becomes obvious at times. I'm not sure I can put this in a way that 
>is very basic, and doesn't create fear in people, or sound ridiculous to 
>others. This is going to be long, and fast, take what you want, ignore 
>what you don't want. Trust, but verify everything I say with your own 
>intuition and other sources, I welcome it.
>
>Basically, there appears to be a sort of campaign to reduce our 
>physical, mental, and spiritual defenses over time, a type of 
>conditioning. Much of this probably orchestrated by unseen negative 
>forces manipulating people that themselves, have fallen from grace, lost 
>discernment, etc.  Spirit is in your blood, and it is clear there is an 
>effect to degrade spirit directly and indirectly. When you put aborted 
>fetus tissue into vaccinations, pig tissue and animal DNA into shots, 
>then inject it into blood (spirit), the outcome is not good, these are 
>abominations to the most high.  This is a war against God, and his 
>people(you), make no mistake about it. Sticking your head in the sand 
>won't offer you any protection, taking back your power, and asserting it 
>will. /"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."/
>
>I bless all of my food I put into my body, without exception, and I have 
>more than enough affirmations this is beneficial. On a physical level, I 
>don't get food poisoning or stomach issues(ever), on a spiritual level 
>it increases the "Vibes" of food, and removes dark signatures.  Last 
>year I ate out with some people, all of us got the same thing mostly, I 
>was the only one blessing my food and sprinkling holy water on it. The 
>next day, everyone was quite sick with food poisoning but me, I was just 
>fine. A lot of stuff comes through on the food, especially food handled 
>by negative/cursed/possessed people, or meats from animals that have 
>been traumatized or lived lives of suffering and abuse.  You can make a 
>profound difference in your life doing this.  I also bless all groceries 
>before they enter my home, and keep a nice chunk of Orgonite in the 
>"Fridge" to keep the vibes up in there.  (People come over and comment 
>how crazy good the food tastes)
>
>What I think this also comes down to is the fact that things either 
>increase our energy field, or reduce them.  This is our "Force Field" in 
>life, and offers us protection from malefic forces. Much of these things 
>are mere energy parasites looking for a lunch, some are more serious.  
>Drugs, alcohol, tainted foods, vaccinations, toxins of all types, 
>additives, preservatives, and a plethora of other things all conspire to 
>disrupt our force field and make us "Batteries" for unseen forces.  More 
>than this, our emotions, thoughts, and actions in life also contribute 
>to this.  If you are loving, and filled with joy, you aren't an 
>acceptable lunch, if you are fearful and angry, you are amazingly 
>delicious to them.  If you have sex for lust and anger, they congregate, 
>if you "Enjoy Love" with others, they flee. Pride and Guilt are also 
>effective tools against people, transmute your guilt for anything you've 
>done to "Regret", which means you learned and moved on and it cannot be 
>held against you.  Convert pride to Gratitude, and unlock the bounty of 
>grace that comes with it. Don't say "I am proud of my country" say "I 
>have gratitude for what is good in this country.".  Pride is the 
>luciferian deception, and excessive pride can be motivated into a fall 
>from grace through grandiosity and arrogance.
>
>Meat avoidance can be beneficial because slaughterhouses have a lot of 
>Jinn hanging around in them, and quite a number of people I would deem 
>cursed.  Organic+Kosher is wise in this case, at least a Rabbi goes and 
>clears the Jinn out of the factory once a month. The only Red Meat I 
>will put into my body comes from here: http://www.dakotabeefcompany.com/ 
>The CEO of the company discovered that motorized vehicles used to round 
>up cattle "Stressed" them and led to lower quality meat. So they hire 
>real Cowboys to herd their cattle. They have very human practices, and 
>their cattle live healthy drug free lives in the sunshine eating grass.  
>It has been beneficial switching to extremely high quality stuff.  Did 
>you know Hindus have a ritual where they slaughter thousands of animals 
>each year and offer them to the "Jinn"?  The principle behind this is 
>that the Jinn enjoy trauma, even from animals, and will "Thank" the 
>humans doing this by gi

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-24 Thread Dan Nave

Do you know the details of how the Don Croft "zapper" is made?  I have
several Hulda Clark type zappers that I made and wouldn't mind
experimenting with something like this.

Actually, at this point I don't consider the Don Croft Zapper to be
the same sort of thing as the Hulda Clark zapper because, apparently,
he has crystals "in line" with the electrodes.  If this means that the
wires are broken, and each end connects to the crystal, then there is
virtually no current traveling through this circuit.  (Unless it means
that the wires are not broken, and are wrapped around the crystals or
run parallel to the crystals...)

People are very imprecise in their descriptions!...  Mostly, they
don't know what they are talking about, and they don't have any idea
about what they don't know about it either.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:06 AM, bodhisattva  wrote:
> My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design.  The subtle
> energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that, the
> electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the time,
> anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with Don's
> assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide variety of
> things.
>
> We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I purchased
> a second one!  The second one is coming from Africa, not made by Don but by
> someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the price, and I want
> to test effectiveness.
>
>
> Kirsteen Wright wrote:
>>
>> I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
>> these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having
>> the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a
>>
>> and
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d
>>
>> I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
>>
>> Any advice would be really welcome
>>
>> Cheers
>> Kirsteen
>
>
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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-24 Thread Kirsteen Wright

To be honest I think I actually joined this site a while ago. However I've
been really ill lately, in fact bedbound so I was hoping to get something
already made up to save the effort. Even if I want to make something I need
to hunt down the parts to get them delivered and I have so very very little
energy at the moment. Did you think these looked ok?

Cheers
Kirsteen

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Steve G  wrote:

> Kirsteen,
>
> I recommend that you check out the microelectricity-germkiller yahoo group
> and read up on their files and postings.What they experiment with and
> use is low voltage (max of 6 volts) direct current for the purpose of
> killing germs and viruses.They stronger advise against anything higher
> than 6 volts and believe that more than that is dangerous.
>
> This isn't the same thing as Dr. Clark's zapper though, so different levels
> apply.
>
> I found an excellent description comparing the various electrical
> alternative treatments, including Clark's Zapper, the Godzilla, Rife
> Machines and so on.   Message 18610 on the Microelectricitygermkiller yahoo
> group message archive.   Or if you don't want to go there check out the web
> page I created that includes this info.
>
> http://www.eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/medical/electricity.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Kirsteen Wright 
> Subject: CS>Zapper
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:13 AM
>
>
> I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between these
> two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having the
> dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a
>
> and
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d
>
> I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
>
> Any advice would be really welcome
>
> Cheers
> Kirsteen
>
>
>

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-24 Thread Kirsteen Wright

Thank you - I looked at Don Croft's design and quite fancied it but I've had
so many bad experiences lately ordering things from overseas so I was really
hoping to get something from the UK.

Do you think this one looks ok?

Cheers
Kirsteen




On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:06 PM, bodhisattva wrote:

> My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design.  The subtle
> energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that, the
> electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the time,
> anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with Don's
> assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide variety of
> things.
>
> We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I purchased
> a second one!  The second one is coming from Africa, not made by Don but by
> someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the price, and I want
> to test effectiveness.
>
>
>
> Kirsteen Wright wrote:
>
>> I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
>> these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having
>> the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a
>>
>> and
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d
>>
>> I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
>>
>> Any advice would be really welcome
>>
>> Cheers
>> Kirsteen
>>
>
>
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Re: CS>Greenmedinfo siteMouse studies

2010-04-24 Thread Dan Nave

If you look at all the pharmacological experimentation during the
modern age, I think there is no question but that it proves there is a
vast conspiracy to make the world safe for rats and mice...

Dan


On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:14 PM, vicki hood  wrote:
> Was hopeful so I sent this to my friend who is always searching and
> learning. Greenmeds first quote was claiming proof because of mouse studies.
> What a waste of time.  All greenmed does is to quote false science.
> Promoting animal experimentation is of no help to anyone.  It is just a
> money maker and cruelty monger for big pharma and other powers.  "We tested
> it on mice, it must heal humans" is a joke.  CS powers are nowhere to be
> found.  Greenmed is strictly to steer you into the lap of big pharma and
> more senseless animal experimentation.
> - Original Message - From: "Tony Moody" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:23 PM
> Subject: CS>Greenmedinfo site
>
>
>> Check out this website GreenMedInfo (science-based site about using
>> natural products/plants for healing) The author understands the energy of
>> whole plants and is passionate about their benefits. You can search the
>> medical studies by plant or by ailment! The GreenMedInfo site has over
>> 10,000 research studies referenced, categorized and searchable!
>> http://www.greenmedinfo.com/
>>
>> It is a like a PubMed of science based research about natural products
>> and ailments.
>>
>>
>> Have a look at :
>> http://www.greenmedinfo.com/category/substance/silver-nanoparticles
>>
>>
>> OK,
>> Tony
>>
>>
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Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector

And did you know that Lemmings do NOT throw themselves over cliffs in a suicide 
bid?  Its a myth apparently.  dee

On 24 Apr 2010, at 12:09, Ode Coyote wrote:

> 
> 
>  Happens in the USA too, even in the Eastern high rainfall areas.
> But it's not a lack of water, it's a surplus of water users believing that 
> wet is a constant.
> It's nature that's stupid, not human lemmings that ignore even the documented 
> predictable.  Right?
> 
> ode
> 
> At 11:13 PM 4/23/2010 +0930, you wrote:


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Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector



Ain't nuthin like a pest to convince you that you are alive enough to be 
pestered.


Why do we have monsters in our dreams, or fear falling?

Ode







. (Although for the life of me I see no need for ticks and mosquitoes).

Marshall



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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

Many years ago one of my teachers offered this teaching which I have taken 
to Heart.


"The Universe rearranges itself to accommodate your picture of reality."

I have read many other variants from "As you believe (in your Heart) so you 
receive" to the Law of attraction.  I consider it a Universal Law.

Blessings,
PT


- Original Message - 
From: "bodhisattva" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall


I was going to mention stuff like this, but I didn't want to creep anyone 
out. Last night I was going to post the kinds of things I have to do 
physically to shore myself up in this line of work, and if I mess up it 
becomes obvious at times. I'm not sure I can put this in a way that is very 
basic, and doesn't create fear in people, or sound ridiculous to others. 
This is going to be long, and fast, take what you want, ignore what you 
don't want. Trust, but verify everything I say with your own intuition and 
other sources, I welcome it.


Basically, there appears to be a sort of campaign to reduce our physical, 
mental, and spiritual defenses over time, a type of conditioning. Much of 
this probably orchestrated by unseen negative forces manipulating people 
that themselves, have fallen from grace, lost discernment, etc.  Spirit is 
in your blood, and it is clear there is an effect to degrade spirit 
directly and indirectly. When you put aborted fetus tissue into 
vaccinations, pig tissue and animal DNA into shots, then inject it into 
blood (spirit), the outcome is not good, these are abominations to the 
most high.  This is a war against God, and his people(you), make no 
mistake about it. Sticking your head in the sand won't offer you any 
protection, taking back your power, and asserting it will. /"Wherefore by 
their fruits ye shall know them."/


I bless all of my food I put into my body, without exception, and I have 
more than enough affirmations this is beneficial. On a physical level, I 
don't get food poisoning or stomach issues(ever), on a spiritual level it 
increases the "Vibes" of food, and removes dark signatures.  Last year I 
ate out with some people, all of us got the same thing mostly, I was the 
only one blessing my food and sprinkling holy water on it. The next day, 
everyone was quite sick with food poisoning but me, I was just fine. A lot 
of stuff comes through on the food, especially food handled by 
negative/cursed/possessed people, or meats from animals that have been 
traumatized or lived lives of suffering and abuse.  You can make a 
profound difference in your life doing this.  I also bless all groceries 
before they enter my home, and keep a nice chunk of Orgonite in the 
"Fridge" to keep the vibes up in there.  (People come over and comment how 
crazy good the food tastes)


What I think this also comes down to is the fact that things either 
increase our energy field, or reduce them.  This is our "Force Field" in 
life, and offers us protection from malefic forces. Much of these things 
are mere energy parasites looking for a lunch, some are more serious. 
Drugs, alcohol, tainted foods, vaccinations, toxins of all types, 
additives, preservatives, and a plethora of other things all conspire to 
disrupt our force field and make us "Batteries" for unseen forces.  More 
than this, our emotions, thoughts, and actions in life also contribute to 
this.  If you are loving, and filled with joy, you aren't an acceptable 
lunch, if you are fearful and angry, you are amazingly delicious to them. 
If you have sex for lust and anger, they congregate, if you "Enjoy Love" 
with others, they flee. Pride and Guilt are also effective tools against 
people, transmute your guilt for anything you've done to "Regret", which 
means you learned and moved on and it cannot be held against you.  Convert 
pride to Gratitude, and unlock the bounty of grace that comes with it. 
Don't say "I am proud of my country" say "I have gratitude for what is 
good in this country.".  Pride is the luciferian deception, and excessive 
pride can be motivated into a fall from grace through grandiosity and 
arrogance.


Meat avoidance can be beneficial because slaughterhouses have a lot of 
Jinn hanging around in them, and quite a number of people I would deem 
cursed.  Organic+Kosher is wise in this case, at least a Rabbi goes and 
clears the Jinn out of the factory once a month. The only Red Meat I will 
put into my body comes from here: http://www.dakotabeefcompany.com/ The 
CEO of the company discovered that motorized vehicles used to round up 
cattle "Stressed" them and led to lower quality meat. So they hire real 
Cowboys to herd their cattle. They have very human practices, and their 
cattle live healthy drug free lives in the sunshine eating grass.  It has 
been beneficial switching to extremely high quality stuff.  Did you know 
Hindus have a ritual where they slaughter thousands of animals each year 
and offer them to the "Jinn"?  The principle behind this

CS>Cover blown [short and sweat]


Ode, I just blew your cover!
Del

ROTFL

  Didn't you just say I couldn't be nailed down?
 Well, Damned good job of the impossible.
Gee, you did better than I ever did !
[After all, being under that cover, I'm in the dark. ]

I had a GF that said I should stop dancing around an argument. [A lawyer, 
she liked to argue and win...Win what?  I want a solution so we can stop 
agreeing in loud voices from different points of view.   ]
I told her that as soon as she stops shooting at my feet with the 
emotionally irrelevant, I will.



We didn't last long. 10 years later she still hasn't found anyone willing 
to stay miserable.


No less confused than anyone else, I just know I am and don't mind.

I don't care what you think,  just that you think.
Boil it down.  Differences don't matter, what is in common ?
 Contradictions tend to cancel each other.
..the truth makes very little noise.

Ode  [Coyote ..the trickster of self ]

 I am my own alter ego...no, not that one, the other one.





At 12:09 PM 4/23/2010 -0400, you wrote:

- Original Message -
From: bodhisattva
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: CS>More on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

Is someone paying you to spin this stuff?

Bodhisattva:

Actually, Ode is just exercising his role as the "Socrates" of the group.
Nothing personal, I assure you.  He does it to all of us.
He likes to use the Socratic method and will deliberately take an opposing 
position in order to cause others to refine their thinking.
Be careful, because if you start to agree with him, he might immediately 
switch positions and start to argue the merits of the position you abandoned.
Besides, his posts are sometimes so long and rambling, and so full of 
metaphor and deliberate contradictions, that by the time you get to the 
end, you no longer know where you started.  Which, of course, is exactly 
his point.

You can't pin him down, so don't try.
But if you read him long enough, you will realize that he is passionately 
dedicated to discovering the truth (or, at least, discovering if there is 
such a thing).
On technical issues, he is very reliable and one of our leading experts 
(which he will no doubt deny because that might contradict his carefully 
cultivated image as just another "good-ol-boy").
On political, economic, and moral issues, he is Heisenberg - check your 
certainties at the door.

But most of all, he is almost always stimulating and entertaining.
So don't take offense.
Just sit back and enjoy (if you have the time).

Ode, I just blew your cover!

Del





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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

Be the perfect person in fact - or a robot!  dee

On 24 Apr 2010, at 17:30, bodhisattva wrote:

> It's called "A Fall", it happens.  Mohammad early on was clearly inspired by 
> the Most High. After his fall, he was clearly motivated by the lusts of 
> flesh.  The early books of the Qu-ran are an amazingly positive, loving 
> construct. The later things, are not so. Same with diets, and lifestyles, 
> people can "Slip" into materialistic love from a higher prespective. It 
> doesn't mean their early theories, or principles were false.
> 
> In the early books you'll find gems such as this;
> 
> 1. Respect and honor all human beings irrespective of their religion, color, 
> race, sex, language, status, property, birth, profession/job and so on [17/70]
> 2. Talk straight, to the point, without any ambiguity or deception [33/70]
> 3. Choose best words to speak and say them in the best possible way [17/53, 
> 2/83]
> 4. Do not shout. Speak politely keeping your voice low. [31/19]
> 5. Always speak the truth. Shun words that are deceitful and ostentatious 
> [22/30]
> 6. Do not confound truth with falsehood [2/42]
> 7. Say with your mouth what is in your heart [3/167]
> 8. Speak in a civilized manner in a language that is recognised by the 
> society and is commonly used [4/5]
> 9. When you voice an opinion, be just, even if it is against a relative 
> [6/152]
> 10. Do not be a bragging boaster [31/18]
> 11. Do not talk, listen or do anything vain [23/3, 28/55]
> 12. Do not participate in any paltry. If you pass near a futile play, then 
> pass by with dignity [25/72]
> 13. Do not verge upon any immodesty or lewdness whether surreptitious or 
> overt [6/151].
> 14. If, unintentionally, any misconduct occurs by you, then correct yourself 
> expeditiously [3/134].
> 15. Do not be contemptuous or arrogant with people [31/18]
> 16. Do not walk haughtily or with conceit [17/37, 31/18]
> 17. Be moderate in thy pace [31/19]
> 18. Walk with humility and sedateness [25/63]
> 19. Keep your gazes lowered devoid of any lecherous leers and salacious 
> stares [24/30-31, 40/19].
> 20. If you do not have complete knowledge about anything, better keep your 
> mouth shut. You might think that speaking about something without full 
> knowledge is a trivial matter. But it might have grave consequences [24/15-16]
> 
> slickpic...@cox.net wrote:


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Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector

 To this day fertilizer is made from uranium tailings used to grow 
tobacco.

 Not true

Read the "real" story on radioactive fertilizers.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19801116&id=66EnIBAJ&sjid=u74EIBAJ&pg=6202,270475

..it's not "ADDED" to fertilizer and doesn't come from Uranium mine 
tailings..The Uranium is a present element in Phosphate 
mines  [PhosphoGypsum] that isn't *extracted* when making the 
fertilizer  [or wall board ] when the Phosphates are partially extracted 
from the Gypsum.
 What is SAYS is that there MAY be enough Uranium in the Gypsum tailings 
for the Phosphate mine to be worth the mine also *becoming* a Uranium 
minenot that it IS one.
 South Eastern soils are already high in Radon producing elements and 
tobacco plants concentrate them regardless of source. [Adding another 
source, probably not a wonderful plan, but that doesn't mean it was 
intentional...maybe...somewhat negligent. ]


..and DU dust is more chemically toxic than it is radioactive, not that 
much different from lead dust...not to mention toxic explosives residues.
Iraqi kids shouldn't be playing in blown up tanks.  Their main problem is 
ignorant parents.


..a bit of comparative context..
What are the potential health concerns from use of DU?

To be honest, there are very few health concerns for DU from a radiological 
point of view, because it is only very slightly radioactive. Even the 
handling of enriched uranium in industry does not need special protection 
such as shielding. There are more dangerous radiotoxic elements associated 
with uranium in nature such as its natural decay products radon/radon 
progeny and radium. Contrary to uranium proper, radon progeny as indoor 
pollutants contribute sizably to our radiation exposure. DU is devoid of 
this radiotoxicity


The effects of DU depend on the route and magnitude of exposure (ingestion, 
inhalation, contact, or wounds) and the characteristics of DU (particle 
size and solubility). The potential health risk from **chemical toxicity** 
would arise from ingestion or inhalation of soluble depleted uranium (DU) 
which - at higher exposure levels - could lead to kidney damage. The 
potential **radiological risk** would arise from inhalation of insoluble DU 
oxides that could reside for an extended period in the lung and lung lymph 
nodes, or from ingestion of soluble DU that could lead to exposure of bone 
and other tissues. In my view, it is difficult to imagine that peacekeepers 
in the Balkans had exposure to DU high enough to significantly change their 
**normal** level of radiation exposure from natural and civilian sources. 
In this **context**, it has to be remembered that each cubic metre of top 
soil in Europe already contains about 10 g of natural uranium with all its 
radiotoxic decay products.[Radon..much more radioactive than DU ] Although 
this leads to measurable levels of uranium in drinking water and in the 
human body, little radiation exposure results from this radioactivity, as 
compared to **radon** progeny and external radiation from natural 
terrestrial and cosmic sources. For instance, some areas in Finland show 
largely elevated uranium levels in drinking water from wells, which lead to 
body contents much higher than what can be expected in Kosovo. No increase 
in cancer has been detected in such chronic exposure situations. [in Finland]


IOW  Living in an old house with lead based paint in NC with all that Radon 
gas is more dangerous to kids than playing in tanks with DU dust in them 
[not counting the explosives residue]
..but only an ignorant parent would have their kids living in that old 
house and not remove the paint and vent the gas...or let their kids play in 
blown up tanks without taking the same precautions.


Ode


Ode

Every time you smoke a pack of cigarettes you get the equivalent amount of 
radiation of one chest x-ray.  This is insane... yet it is done on a 
massive scale.  My point is this... radioactivity belongs IN THE GROUND 
where it has it's natural uses.  It does NOT belong above the ground in 
anything... including nuclear reactors (remember Chernobyl?), DM munitions 
(depleted uranium causing cancer and genetic defects in those populations 
exposed such as found in Iraq).  Where radiation is found naturally above 
the ground it is ALWAYS considered dangerous.


Bob

- Original Message -
From: Richard Goodwin
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector

I thought I was being clearer than that.  Not sure that radiation or 
anything else has a "rightful" place where it "should" be, but the stuff 
in the ground is certainly far from harmless -- how many people have died 
of cancer who lived in houses full of radon all their short lives?


And yes, if you dig it up and concentrate it into something that is now 
highly

CS>eL and fill



I always thought it fun to make something very durable and inexplicable 
and then bury it.


New thought?  Don't think so.

All Ranunculus species [Buttercups] are 
poisonous when eaten fresh by 
cattle, 
horses, and other 
livestock, but their acrid taste 
and the blistering of the mouth caused by their poison means they are 
usually left uneaten.


 Imagine that a long time ago some jokester tribe knocked out a bunch of 
mammoth over several years, stuffed them with buttercups and dragged them 
to the local advancing glacier to freeze solid...and turned our modern 
world up-side-down.


I can almost hear the revered ancestors laughing their ghost asses off.

Hey. Let's go make some lines in the desert !

Ode



Well, at least it started off as something relatively relevant.
Anyway, about landfills, am I the only one who thinks these will 
eventually be fantastically valuable in some not-so-distant resource 
depleted future?


Del



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  Happens in the USA too, even in the Eastern high rainfall areas.
But it's not a lack of water, it's a surplus of water users believing that 
wet is a constant.
It's nature that's stupid, not human lemmings that ignore even the 
documented predictable.  Right?


ode

At 11:13 PM 4/23/2010 +0930, you wrote:
Regarding water shortages:  it can happen and it does happen here in 
Australia, more often than we would wish.  We have had quite a few years 
in a row where towns ran out of drinking water. One town comes to mind: 
Goulburn (NSW) where they had to start carting drinking water in. Having a 
shower one day meant you couldn't do any washing but would have just 
enough to have  drinking water for that day.  This was not the only place 
it happens.  We live on the driest continent here and we have an attitude 
of being careful with water, it is second nature.  Water doesn't get lost, 
you are right, but running out of water usable for consumption is not a 
matter of: can happen, it does happen.


At 10:44 PM 23/04/2010, you wrote:

Chernobyl
- Original Message -
From: Richard Goodwin
"  snip..
Yeah, I know, there can be local shortages, but overall the total amount 
of water on earth doesn't really change, does it?

Dick

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Re: CS>Click here to read the latest newsletter from Jim Humble:

Couldn't get it Chuck.  dee

On 24 Apr 2010, at 00:21, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

> Click here to read the latest newsletter from Jim Humble:
> http://www.mmsnews.org/NEWS011.htm
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CS>Oligodynamic action of 17 different metals

Zinc, Copper and Silver  does among the best with Copper apparently in the 
lead...but only Silver has no biological niche amongst the top 3 and is 
thus non toxic.

B.');>Zentralbl Bakteriol Mikrobiol Hyg B. 1985 Dec;182(1):95-101.

[Oligodynamic action of 17 different metals on Bacillus subtilis, 
Enterobacteriaceae, Legionellaceae, Micrococcaceae and Pseudomonas aeruginosa]

[Article in German]

Müller HE.

Abstract

The oligodynamic action of the pure metals aluminium, antimony, bismuth, 
cadmium, cobalt, copper, gold, iron, lead, manganese, mercury, nickel, 
platinum, silver, tin, titanium, and zinc on Bacillus subtilis (1 strain), 
Enterobacteriaceae (26 strains), Legionellaceae (13 strains), 
Micrococcaceae (6 strains), and Pseudomonas aeruginosa (4 strains) was 
investigated using an agar diffusion test. B. subtilis and Legionellaceae 
exhibited the highest susceptibility. The apathogenic micrococci and 
staphylococci were more susceptible to oligodynamic action of some metals 
than S. aureus. The group of gramnegative rods was the most resistant. The 
susceptibility of the different bacteria seems to be very different. Apart 
from the known oligodynamic action of some heavy metals the activity of 
antimony, cobalt, gold, and platinum should be mentioned.

At 12:14 PM 4/23/2010 +0100, you wrote:

What about stainless steel?  dee

On 23 Apr 2010, at 03:48, bodhisattva wrote:

> This is correct, and not unexpected.  All plumbing should be copper, 
all end fixtures brass when possible.  I have 2 sets of BRASS shower 
heads (no plastic, not even fittings), I switch them out, then soak the 
used one in CS for a few days, let it dry, then put it away until the 
next change out.  Seems to work pretty well.  The whole plastic shower 
head and PVC movement is pathetic, another idea gone bad.  I did this 
before the whole thing was made public, it just made sense to me.

>
> Don't forget hotel rooms, bring your own shower head, sounds strange 
but those places are disgusting cesspools of germs with 20 year old 
plastic shower heads. We don't have to be paranoid about it, but when you 
take a nice shower it would be nice to know you aren't vaporizing fungus 
and bacteria into your face. You can find the shower heads I use on Ebay 
or your local hardware (and the pressure from them ROCKS):  (pathogens 
aren't happy about brass either)

>

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Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector




  Sorry..radioactive isotopes are by no means organic by any stretch of 
definition, nor has it ever been uniformly safely away from humans.
But organic processes can concentrate it [growing tobacco for one] as can 
many human activities such as building a house [Radon gas] or drilling a 
well in Granite.
 Many things are destructive to DNA and everyone is exposed to some degree 
of radiation all the time.  We live in a sea of the stuff and like in any 
sea, sometimes a wave will knock you down harder than you can get back up. 
[Strong legs help ]
 Just taking an airplane ride is like sitting on top of a pile of smoke 
detectors for that long.

 Climb a tall mountain and UV radiation isn't all that's stronger.

ode


At 06:46 AM 4/23/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Richard,

You entire premise is flawed.  Radioactivity is a natural 
byproduct of decaying organic material and has it's rightful place in the 
ground.  By being there it is safely away from harming humans and other 
living things that have no need for this type of radioactivity.  By your 
premise digging it up, concentrating it and putting in our personal 
environments is ok.  Nothing could be farthur from the truth.  This type 
of energy is destructive to DNA... it kills living things in such high 
concentrations.  Why would you want to expose yourself or your loved ones 
to ionizing radiation?  It causes cancer, genetic defects, and a host of 
other diseases in plants, animals, and man.


Bob



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Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector

Chernobyl, 3 mile island and a couple of Russian subs.  Not a bad record 
for an infant industry, now safer than coal even where socialists pretend 
to care about people and designed crappy reactors.


 Actually, throwing beer cans away isn't pollution, it's just a waste of 
energy..no worse than throwing away previously heated up sand.
But "pollution" is one of those buzz words that get peoples undies all in a 
wad.
Natures Aluminum is mostly inert oxides.  A beer can is a beer can because 
it take a long time to completely oxidize, ie, virtually inert because of 
an inert oxide layer that protects the pure aluminum.  No difference in effect.


Radioactive  waste?
You have high temperature reactors and lots of scrap glass.  It it were 
just fused into glass blocks, you could bury it all in the sand in Chile 
where it never ever rains and that stuff would sit there in the stinkin 
desert safely away from people for 100,000 years doing nothing but glowing 
at the dirt...a 10 square mile no go zone where no one goes anyhow.  Big deal.

 And even if it did rain, radioactive granite erodes faster than glass.

Before then? There's nuclear batteries that can produce electricity for 
decades.  Encase those in glass...power the Lost Wages Nevada wing-nut rip 
off moth-and-flame industries with em and when they get as dim as the 
gamblers paying to go to the cleaners, take em to Chile and stack em as 
high as the odds against winning as a monument to waste in general.


Ode

At 09:14 AM 4/23/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Chernobyl
- Original Message -
From: Richard Goodwin
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector
If a radioactive substance is moved from one place, e.g. in the ground, to 
another place, e.g., in a smoke detector, how is that "adding" to it?
All the radioactive matter on earth is somewhere right now.  When we use 
it, we move it from wherever it is to some place else.  We don't create it.
Actually, you could make an argument that by mining radioactive substances 
and concentrating them into reactors, bombs, or other "products", you are 
making the world a bit safer, since it is easier to avoid exposure to 
reactors, bombs, etc, than to the same substances all spread out in the ground.
I never have understood quite why people get all wrapped around the axle 
about some things.  For example, we take aluminum out of the ground, where 
it is one of the more abundant elements in the earth's crust, and we make 
beer cans out of it.  But if we then put that aluminum back in the ground, 
e.g., by throwing empty beer cans into the dump, people get all in a 
lather about pollution.  Why?  We are just putting the aluminum back where 
we found it.
And "wasting water".  People get all wound up about using too much 
water.  But it's not like it gets used up.  It's still there after 
whatever we use it for.  And it comes back to us from rain, etc.  Why all 
the furor?
Yeah, I know, there can be local shortages, but overall the total amount 
of water on earth doesn't really change, does it?

Dick


From: Bob Banever 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 8:58:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector
Alan,

 Yes of course.  Best not to add to it.  I'm sure you would agree.

  Cheers.
- Original Message -
From: Alan Jones
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A closer look at americium 241 from a smoke detector
Better go live in a lead box, even the natural world is full of it.

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Bob Banever 
<bbane...@earthlink.net> wrote:
No amount of radiation is trivial.  No level is safe and all ionizing 
radiation causes damage to DNA.



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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

It's called "A Fall", it happens.  Mohammad early on was clearly 
inspired by the Most High. After his fall, he was clearly motivated by 
the lusts of flesh.  The early books of the Qu-ran are an amazingly 
positive, loving construct. The later things, are not so. Same with 
diets, and lifestyles, people can "Slip" into materialistic love from a 
higher prespective. It doesn't mean their early theories, or principles 
were false.


In the early books you'll find gems such as this;

1. Respect and honor all human beings irrespective of their religion, 
color, race, sex, language, status, property, birth, profession/job and 
so on [17/70]

2. Talk straight, to the point, without any ambiguity or deception [33/70]
3. Choose best words to speak and say them in the best possible way 
[17/53, 2/83]

4. Do not shout. Speak politely keeping your voice low. [31/19]
5. Always speak the truth. Shun words that are deceitful and 
ostentatious [22/30]

6. Do not confound truth with falsehood [2/42]
7. Say with your mouth what is in your heart [3/167]
8. Speak in a civilized manner in a language that is recognised by the 
society and is commonly used [4/5]
9. When you voice an opinion, be just, even if it is against a relative 
[6/152]

10. Do not be a bragging boaster [31/18]
11. Do not talk, listen or do anything vain [23/3, 28/55]
12. Do not participate in any paltry. If you pass near a futile play, 
then pass by with dignity [25/72]
13. Do not verge upon any immodesty or lewdness whether surreptitious or 
overt [6/151].
14. If, unintentionally, any misconduct occurs by you, then correct 
yourself expeditiously [3/134].

15. Do not be contemptuous or arrogant with people [31/18]
16. Do not walk haughtily or with conceit [17/37, 31/18]
17. Be moderate in thy pace [31/19]
18. Walk with humility and sedateness [25/63]
19. Keep your gazes lowered devoid of any lecherous leers and salacious 
stares [24/30-31, 40/19].
20. If you do not have complete knowledge about anything, better keep 
your mouth shut. You might think that speaking about something without 
full knowledge is a trivial matter. But it might have grave consequences 
[24/15-16]


slickpic...@cox.net wrote:

Bob:

If his teachings were true (and I'm not saying they're not), it seems that 
their positive effects would have resulted in ongoing adherence to his own 
philosophies.

 
 Bob Banever  wrote: 


=
slick,

 Yes, he also smoked and ate alot of garbage in his later years.  I 
could never understand his smoking... must have smoked two packs a day. 
Nevertheless, his teachings were and are true.



  



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At 08:46 AM 4/23/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I believe you are mistaken about this.  The AVERAGE lifespan has increased 
versus 100 years ago, but this is largely because of eradication of 
childhood diseases and better quality water, etc.  100 years ago LOTS of 
folks made it their 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, but they were healthier and 
more active at that age than their same-aged contemporaries.  Lots of 
people are living longer today but with lower quality of life in their 
senior years (eg. nursing homes).



##  Ok, let's go fuzzy with "lots of" [Granted, the stats are crap ]
More people live longer now *because of* nursing homes and other aid. 
*because of* the world changing
OF COURSE those that made it to 90 were more active in the old days *in 
spite of* the world as it was, but per capita a lot fewer of them when 65 
was *culturally* considered ancient even in the absence of specific 
statistics to give a given culture a precise un-scewed number that defined 
old age in terms of old age.
I reckon we'll have to settle for a "feel" of a culture by reading old 
stories about those times as people wrote about "being about done in", what 
they planned to do next and how long they managed to do it...begging the 
question, did oldsters that didn't feel done in, write about it?


Just can't get a definitive answer, dang it.

 A blurb on todays culture:
Sociologists expect that the baby boomers are likely to extend midlife well 
into what used to be considered "old age." They will continue to work 
longer, and responsibilities such as paying for college or having children 
at home already are extending to older ages. They also are likely to enjoy 
better health and remain "actively engaged" longer than previous 
generations. The seniors of the senior class, the group 85 and older, is 
currently the fastest-growing segment of the entire population, with 
expected growth from 4 million people


 A mention of 1804  [Did that writer read the above?]
If a person lived to their 20s they were just about as likely to reach 70 
or even 80 as today's population.


But even if true, the original thread on radiation has no value as there 
has been no appreciable change since before cell phones [or modern farming 
for that matter ] and anything below that no change is irrelevant.
ie  Even if they didn't die younger if they made it past their 20s, neither 
do we.  But better nutrition and health care may be countering more radiation?
Or not living past their 20s made for very strong old folx and we no longer 
do much weeding and are better at keeping weaker people going strong.


Too many factors and not enough info to figger it.

ode



On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Ode Coyote 
<odecoy...@windstream.net> wrote:


The fact is STILL that people live longer healthier lives than they used 
to, both *because of* AND  *in spite of*  the world changing.



--
Alan Jones

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor 
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, 
or to the people."  (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)



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Ask anything you like Michael, I'm sure our resident experts will be able to 
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2010-04-24 Thread slickpicker

Bob:

If his teachings were true (and I'm not saying they're not), it seems that 
their positive effects would have resulted in ongoing adherence to his own 
philosophies.

 
 Bob Banever  wrote: 

=
slick,

 Yes, he also smoked and ate alot of garbage in his later years.  I 
could never understand his smoking... must have smoked two packs a day. 
Nevertheless, his teachings were and are true.




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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

Ok.  :-)
- Original Message - 
From: "needling around" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

I disagree with you but we will just have to leave it at that since this is 
not the forum for this discussion.

PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Banever" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

PT,

   Yes meat, so long as it is grass fed organic meat, is ok for some as 
long as it's in moderation.  That being said, in order to attain higher 
spiritual planes meat must be avoided.  Remember it is the product of 
violence and death in some form.  I'm not against eating it (I eat some 
fish and organic chicken myself), but you should understand what the 
effects will be.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "needling around" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

IMHO this is fine, but I think we need to remember that everyone's body 
is not the same.  Meat is necessary for some.  Others can easily be 
vegetarians.  I do agree that the most wholesome food we can afford is 
always the best... meat, fruit, vegetables or dairy depending on the 
needs of our bodies.

PT
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Banever" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

Marshall,

Many years ago I studied and lived in a macrobiotic community 
and the teacher, Michio Kushi, said something that stuck with me.  He 
said those that experience the devil eat the devil... meaning if you 
eat unwholesome, unnatural, chemicalized foods, or meat, you are prone 
to experience these things.  Clean yourself out, eat organically grown 
foods and whole grains (macrobiotics is big on brown rice and other 
whole grains), and you will not only experience physical regeneration, 
but psychological and spiritual regeneration as well.  You cannot 
ignore your body a healthy body leads to a healthy mind free to 
enjoy life to it's fullest, unencumbered by evil thoughts, anger, or 
spirits.  Grow your body and mind from the ground up, like a tree 
trunk, and make yourself impervious to these things.  It works, trust 
me.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

bodhisattva wrote:
I do not recommend you try entity removal yourself unless you are 
absolutely sure of your spiritual power - and have no major doubts or 
chinks in your armor. (character flaws)

I agree with you there.   I don't have that much trouble with evil 
spirits, basically human spirits that were wicked when alive, I find 
that asking for protection and surrounding oneself with light works 
quite well and I keep my home filled with orgonite so they can't get 
me or my wife when I am not paying attention. Also I have a very 
powerful guardian angel.  However I will NOT take on demons.  If they 
can't get you directly they will go after loved ones and friends.  I 
simply cannot expose my family and friends to anything like that.  Our 
paranormal group has lost two members to demons, a priest and a 
demonologist when they did exorcisms.   I have only taken on one demon 
and that was by accident, didn't know what we were dealing with until 
after the fact, and we did not take it on directly, but rather were 
working to free subordinate spirits from its grasp, and had asked it 
to be bound until the captured spirits could go to the light, which 
most did.  One of the most amazing set of recordings we have ever 
gotten, as 16 or so spirits saw the light, were greeted by loved ones, 
and proceeded to the light, with us recording what they had to say the 
whole time.  Anyway once we were done apparently the demonic presence 
was released, but had lost most of its power without the subjugated 
spirits, and was really pissed. He was throwing dishes and silverware 
all over the house and the people had to leave eventually abandoning 
the house.  That was before we knew about orgonite.

We have some members that I feel are reckless that will challenge a 
spirit, and try to really provoke it. There is one spirit at TMG that 
resides in the lady's bathroom that has scratched 3 of our 
investigators at different times when they provoked it. I feel that is 
lowering your vibration and opening yourself up for attack and will 
not do it, and have never been attacked. I would never ask to be 
attacked or provoke, but some of the fellow investigators do, and I 
think it is foolish.

I will be contacting you off list to order.  Also I would like to 
discuss the construction of the hhg with you, I think I have an 
arrangement of the crystals that actually improves the unit and 
reduces the number of crystals needed by one. All that I made used 
this arrangement. Check your discernment/intuition on it and see if 
you find the same thing.

Marshall

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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall


slick,

Yes, he also smoked and ate alot of garbage in his later years.  I 
could never understand his smoking... must have smoked two packs a day. 
Nevertheless, his teachings were and are true.



- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Cc: "needling around" 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall


"Grow your body and mind from the ground up, like a tree trunk, and make 
yourself

impervious to these things.  It works, trust me."

Michio Kushi had surgery for an almost total blockage of his colon due to 
a malignant tumor.



 needling around  wrote:

=
IMHO this is fine, but I think we need to remember that everyone's body is
not the same.  Meat is necessary for some.  Others can easily be
vegetarians.  I do agree that the most wholesome food we can afford is
always the best... meat, fruit, vegetables or dairy depending on the needs
of our bodies.
PT
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Banever" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall



Marshall,

Many years ago I studied and lived in a macrobiotic community and
the teacher, Michio Kushi, said something that stuck with me.  He said
those that experience the devil eat the devil... meaning if you eat
unwholesome, unnatural, chemicalized foods, or meat, you are prone to
experience these things.  Clean yourself out, eat organically grown foods
and whole grains (macrobiotics is big on brown rice and other whole
grains), and you will not only experience physical regeneration, but
psychological and spiritual regeneration as well.  You cannot ignore your
body a healthy body leads to a healthy mind free to enjoy life to 
it's
fullest, unencumbered by evil thoughts, anger, or spirits.  Grow your 
body

and mind from the ground up, like a tree trunk, and make yourself
impervious to these things.  It works, trust me.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall



bodhisattva wrote:

I do not recommend you try entity removal yourself unless you are
absolutely sure of your spiritual power - and have no major doubts or
chinks in your armor. (character flaws)


I agree with you there.   I don't have that much trouble with evil
spirits, basically human spirits that were wicked when alive, I find 
that
asking for protection and surrounding oneself with light works quite 
well

and I keep my home filled with orgonite so they can't get me or my wife
when I am not paying attention. Also I have a very powerful guardian
angel.  However I will NOT take on demons.  If they can't get you
directly they will go after loved ones and friends.  I simply cannot
expose my family and friends to anything like that.  Our paranormal 
group
has lost two members to demons, a priest and a demonologist when they 
did

exorcisms.   I have only taken on one demon and that was by accident,
didn't know what we were dealing with until after the fact, and we did
not take it on directly, but rather were working to free subordinate
spirits from its grasp, and had asked it to be bound until the captured
spirits could go to the light, which most did.  One of the most amazing
set of recordings we have ever gotten, as 16 or so spirits saw the 
light,
were greeted by loved ones, and proceeded to the light, with us 
recording
what they had to say the whole time.  Anyway once we were done 
apparently
the demonic presence was released, but had lost most of its power 
without

the subjugated spirits, and was really pissed.  He was throwing dishes
and silverware all over the house and the people had to leave eventually
abandoning the house.  That was before we knew about orgonite.

We have some members that I feel are reckless that will challenge a
spirit, and try to really provoke it. There is one spirit at TMG that
resides in the lady's bathroom that has scratched 3 of our investigators
at different times when they provoked it. I feel that is lowering your
vibration and opening yourself up for attack and will not do it, and 
have

never been attacked. I would never ask to be attacked or provoke, but
some of the fellow investigators do, and I think it is foolish.

I will be contacting you off list to order.  Also I would like to 
discuss

the construction of the hhg with you, I think I have an arrangement of
the crystals that actually improves the unit and reduces the number of
crystals needed by one. All that I made used this arrangement. Check 
your

discernment/intuition on it and see if you find the same thing.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

I was going to mention stuff like this, but I didn't want to creep 
anyone out. Last night I was going to post the kinds of things I have to 
do physically to shore myself up in this line of work, and if I mess up 
it becomes obvious at times. I'm not sure I can put this in a way that 
is very basic, and doesn't create fear in people, or sound ridiculous to 
others. This is going to be long, and fast, take what you want, ignore 
what you don't want. Trust, but verify everything I say with your own 
intuition and other sources, I welcome it.


Basically, there appears to be a sort of campaign to reduce our 
physical, mental, and spiritual defenses over time, a type of 
conditioning. Much of this probably orchestrated by unseen negative 
forces manipulating people that themselves, have fallen from grace, lost 
discernment, etc.  Spirit is in your blood, and it is clear there is an 
effect to degrade spirit directly and indirectly. When you put aborted 
fetus tissue into vaccinations, pig tissue and animal DNA into shots, 
then inject it into blood (spirit), the outcome is not good, these are 
abominations to the most high.  This is a war against God, and his 
people(you), make no mistake about it. Sticking your head in the sand 
won't offer you any protection, taking back your power, and asserting it 
will. /"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."/


I bless all of my food I put into my body, without exception, and I have 
more than enough affirmations this is beneficial. On a physical level, I 
don't get food poisoning or stomach issues(ever), on a spiritual level 
it increases the "Vibes" of food, and removes dark signatures.  Last 
year I ate out with some people, all of us got the same thing mostly, I 
was the only one blessing my food and sprinkling holy water on it. The 
next day, everyone was quite sick with food poisoning but me, I was just 
fine. A lot of stuff comes through on the food, especially food handled 
by negative/cursed/possessed people, or meats from animals that have 
been traumatized or lived lives of suffering and abuse.  You can make a 
profound difference in your life doing this.  I also bless all groceries 
before they enter my home, and keep a nice chunk of Orgonite in the 
"Fridge" to keep the vibes up in there.  (People come over and comment 
how crazy good the food tastes)


What I think this also comes down to is the fact that things either 
increase our energy field, or reduce them.  This is our "Force Field" in 
life, and offers us protection from malefic forces. Much of these things 
are mere energy parasites looking for a lunch, some are more serious.  
Drugs, alcohol, tainted foods, vaccinations, toxins of all types, 
additives, preservatives, and a plethora of other things all conspire to 
disrupt our force field and make us "Batteries" for unseen forces.  More 
than this, our emotions, thoughts, and actions in life also contribute 
to this.  If you are loving, and filled with joy, you aren't an 
acceptable lunch, if you are fearful and angry, you are amazingly 
delicious to them.  If you have sex for lust and anger, they congregate, 
if you "Enjoy Love" with others, they flee. Pride and Guilt are also 
effective tools against people, transmute your guilt for anything you've 
done to "Regret", which means you learned and moved on and it cannot be 
held against you.  Convert pride to Gratitude, and unlock the bounty of 
grace that comes with it. Don't say "I am proud of my country" say "I 
have gratitude for what is good in this country.".  Pride is the 
luciferian deception, and excessive pride can be motivated into a fall 
from grace through grandiosity and arrogance.


Meat avoidance can be beneficial because slaughterhouses have a lot of 
Jinn hanging around in them, and quite a number of people I would deem 
cursed.  Organic+Kosher is wise in this case, at least a Rabbi goes and 
clears the Jinn out of the factory once a month. The only Red Meat I 
will put into my body comes from here: http://www.dakotabeefcompany.com/ 
The CEO of the company discovered that motorized vehicles used to round 
up cattle "Stressed" them and led to lower quality meat. So they hire 
real Cowboys to herd their cattle. They have very human practices, and 
their cattle live healthy drug free lives in the sunshine eating grass.  
It has been beneficial switching to extremely high quality stuff.  Did 
you know Hindus have a ritual where they slaughter thousands of animals 
each year and offer them to the "Jinn"?  The principle behind this is 
that the Jinn enjoy trauma, even from animals, and will "Thank" the 
humans doing this by giving them useless physical trinkets or other 
gifts.  They are fakers, they don't  have divine power, and they rely on 
this kind of energy to continue their manifestation on this planet - CUT 
IT OFF.  You kill a beast by removing it's food source.


As I noted before, I have read old journals of the first explorers.  
Native Tribes didn't eat as much mea

Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

I disagree with you but we will just have to leave it at that since this is 
not the forum for this discussion.

PT

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Banever" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

PT,

   Yes meat, so long as it is grass fed organic meat, is ok for some as 
long as it's in moderation.  That being said, in order to attain higher 
spiritual planes meat must be avoided.  Remember it is the product of 
violence and death in some form.  I'm not against eating it (I eat some 
fish and organic chicken myself), but you should understand what the 
effects will be.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "needling around" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

IMHO this is fine, but I think we need to remember that everyone's body 
is not the same.  Meat is necessary for some.  Others can easily be 
vegetarians.  I do agree that the most wholesome food we can afford is 
always the best... meat, fruit, vegetables or dairy depending on the 
needs of our bodies.

PT
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Banever" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

Marshall,

Many years ago I studied and lived in a macrobiotic community 
and the teacher, Michio Kushi, said something that stuck with me.  He 
said those that experience the devil eat the devil... meaning if you eat 
unwholesome, unnatural, chemicalized foods, or meat, you are prone to 
experience these things.  Clean yourself out, eat organically grown 
foods and whole grains (macrobiotics is big on brown rice and other 
whole grains), and you will not only experience physical regeneration, 
but psychological and spiritual regeneration as well.  You cannot ignore 
your body a healthy body leads to a healthy mind free to enjoy life 
to it's fullest, unencumbered by evil thoughts, anger, or spirits.  Grow 
your body and mind from the ground up, like a tree trunk, and make 
yourself impervious to these things.  It works, trust me.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

bodhisattva wrote:
I do not recommend you try entity removal yourself unless you are 
absolutely sure of your spiritual power - and have no major doubts or 
chinks in your armor. (character flaws)

I agree with you there.   I don't have that much trouble with evil 
spirits, basically human spirits that were wicked when alive, I find 
that asking for protection and surrounding oneself with light works 
quite well and I keep my home filled with orgonite so they can't get me 
or my wife when I am not paying attention. Also I have a very powerful 
guardian angel.  However I will NOT take on demons.  If they can't get 
you directly they will go after loved ones and friends.  I simply 
cannot expose my family and friends to anything like that.  Our 
paranormal group has lost two members to demons, a priest and a 
demonologist when they did exorcisms.   I have only taken on one demon 
and that was by accident, didn't know what we were dealing with until 
after the fact, and we did not take it on directly, but rather were 
working to free subordinate spirits from its grasp, and had asked it to 
be bound until the captured spirits could go to the light, which most 
did.  One of the most amazing set of recordings we have ever gotten, as 
16 or so spirits saw the light, were greeted by loved ones, and 
proceeded to the light, with us recording what they had to say the 
whole time.  Anyway once we were done apparently the demonic presence 
was released, but had lost most of its power without the subjugated 
spirits, and was really pissed. He was throwing dishes and silverware 
all over the house and the people had to leave eventually abandoning 
the house.  That was before we knew about orgonite.

We have some members that I feel are reckless that will challenge a 
spirit, and try to really provoke it. There is one spirit at TMG that 
resides in the lady's bathroom that has scratched 3 of our 
investigators at different times when they provoked it. I feel that is 
lowering your vibration and opening yourself up for attack and will not 
do it, and have never been attacked. I would never ask to be attacked 
or provoke, but some of the fellow investigators do, and I think it is 
foolish.

I will be contacting you off list to order.  Also I would like to 
discuss the construction of the hhg with you, I think I have an 
arrangement of the crystals that actually improves the unit and reduces 
the number of crystals needed by one. All that I made used this 
arrangement. Check your discernment/intuition on it and see if you find 
the same thing.

Marshall

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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

2010-04-24 Thread slickpicker

"Remember it is the product of violence and death in some form.  I'm not 
against eating it..."

Why not?

 
 Bob Banever  wrote: 

=
PT,

Yes meat, so long as it is grass fed organic meat, is ok for some as 
long as it's in moderation.  That being said, in order to attain higher 
spiritual planes meat must be avoided.  Remember it is the product of 
violence and death in some form.  I'm not against eating it (I eat some fish 
and organic chicken myself), but you should understand what the effects will 
be.

Bob


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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

2010-04-24 Thread slickpicker

"Grow your body and mind from the ground up, like a tree trunk, and make 
yourself 
impervious to these things.  It works, trust me."

Michio Kushi had surgery for an almost total blockage of his colon due to a 
malignant tumor.


 needling around  wrote: 

=
IMHO this is fine, but I think we need to remember that everyone's body is 
not the same.  Meat is necessary for some.  Others can easily be 
vegetarians.  I do agree that the most wholesome food we can afford is 
always the best... meat, fruit, vegetables or dairy depending on the needs 
of our bodies.
PT
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Banever" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall


> Marshall,
>
> Many years ago I studied and lived in a macrobiotic community and 
> the teacher, Michio Kushi, said something that stuck with me.  He said 
> those that experience the devil eat the devil... meaning if you eat 
> unwholesome, unnatural, chemicalized foods, or meat, you are prone to 
> experience these things.  Clean yourself out, eat organically grown foods 
> and whole grains (macrobiotics is big on brown rice and other whole 
> grains), and you will not only experience physical regeneration, but 
> psychological and spiritual regeneration as well.  You cannot ignore your 
> body a healthy body leads to a healthy mind free to enjoy life to it's 
> fullest, unencumbered by evil thoughts, anger, or spirits.  Grow your body 
> and mind from the ground up, like a tree trunk, and make yourself 
> impervious to these things.  It works, trust me.
>
> Bob
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:53 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall
>
>
>> bodhisattva wrote:
>>> I do not recommend you try entity removal yourself unless you are 
>>> absolutely sure of your spiritual power - and have no major doubts or 
>>> chinks in your armor. (character flaws)
>>>
>> I agree with you there.   I don't have that much trouble with evil 
>> spirits, basically human spirits that were wicked when alive, I find that 
>> asking for protection and surrounding oneself with light works quite well 
>> and I keep my home filled with orgonite so they can't get me or my wife 
>> when I am not paying attention. Also I have a very powerful guardian 
>> angel.  However I will NOT take on demons.  If they can't get you 
>> directly they will go after loved ones and friends.  I simply cannot 
>> expose my family and friends to anything like that.  Our paranormal group 
>> has lost two members to demons, a priest and a demonologist when they did 
>> exorcisms.   I have only taken on one demon and that was by accident, 
>> didn't know what we were dealing with until after the fact, and we did 
>> not take it on directly, but rather were working to free subordinate 
>> spirits from its grasp, and had asked it to be bound until the captured 
>> spirits could go to the light, which most did.  One of the most amazing 
>> set of recordings we have ever gotten, as 16 or so spirits saw the light, 
>> were greeted by loved ones, and proceeded to the light, with us recording 
>> what they had to say the whole time.  Anyway once we were done apparently 
>> the demonic presence was released, but had lost most of its power without 
>> the subjugated spirits, and was really pissed.  He was throwing dishes 
>> and silverware all over the house and the people had to leave eventually 
>> abandoning the house.  That was before we knew about orgonite.
>>
>> We have some members that I feel are reckless that will challenge a 
>> spirit, and try to really provoke it. There is one spirit at TMG that 
>> resides in the lady's bathroom that has scratched 3 of our investigators 
>> at different times when they provoked it. I feel that is lowering your 
>> vibration and opening yourself up for attack and will not do it, and have 
>> never been attacked. I would never ask to be attacked or provoke, but 
>> some of the fellow investigators do, and I think it is foolish.
>>
>> I will be contacting you off list to order.  Also I would like to discuss 
>> the construction of the hhg with you, I think I have an arrangement of 
>> the crystals that actually improves the unit and reduces the number of 
>> crystals needed by one. All that I made used this arrangement. Check your 
>> discernment/intuition on it and see if you find the same thing.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>>
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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

I'm typing a long post explaining all of this in great detail for those 
that care, almost finished. :-)


Bob Banever wrote:

PT,

   Yes meat, so long as it is grass fed organic meat, is ok for some 
as long as it's in moderation.  That being said, in order to attain 
higher spiritual planes meat must be avoided.  Remember it is the 
product of violence and death in some form.  I'm not against eating it 
(I eat some fish and organic chicken myself), but you should 
understand what the effects will be.


Bob
- Original Message - From: "needling around" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall


IMHO this is fine, but I think we need to remember that everyone's 
body is not the same.  Meat is necessary for some.  Others can easily 
be vegetarians.  I do agree that the most wholesome food we can 
afford is always the best... meat, fruit, vegetables or dairy 
depending on the needs of our bodies.

PT
- Original Message - From: "Bob Banever" 


To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall



Marshall,

Many years ago I studied and lived in a macrobiotic 
community and the teacher, Michio Kushi, said something that stuck 
with me.  He said those that experience the devil eat the devil... 
meaning if you eat unwholesome, unnatural, chemicalized foods, or 
meat, you are prone to experience these things.  Clean yourself out, 
eat organically grown foods and whole grains (macrobiotics is big on 
brown rice and other whole grains), and you will not only experience 
physical regeneration, but psychological and spiritual regeneration 
as well.  You cannot ignore your body a healthy body leads to a 
healthy mind free to enjoy life to it's fullest, unencumbered by 
evil thoughts, anger, or spirits.  Grow your body and mind from the 
ground up, like a tree trunk, and make yourself impervious to these 
things.  It works, trust me.


Bob
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall



bodhisattva wrote:
I do not recommend you try entity removal yourself unless you are 
absolutely sure of your spiritual power - and have no major doubts 
or chinks in your armor. (character flaws)


I agree with you there.   I don't have that much trouble with evil 
spirits, basically human spirits that were wicked when alive, I 
find that asking for protection and surrounding oneself with light 
works quite well and I keep my home filled with orgonite so they 
can't get me or my wife when I am not paying attention. Also I have 
a very powerful guardian angel.  However I will NOT take on 
demons.  If they can't get you directly they will go after loved 
ones and friends.  I simply cannot expose my family and friends to 
anything like that.  Our paranormal group has lost two members to 
demons, a priest and a demonologist when they did exorcisms.   I 
have only taken on one demon and that was by accident, didn't know 
what we were dealing with until after the fact, and we did not take 
it on directly, but rather were working to free subordinate spirits 
from its grasp, and had asked it to be bound until the captured 
spirits could go to the light, which most did.  One of the most 
amazing set of recordings we have ever gotten, as 16 or so spirits 
saw the light, were greeted by loved ones, and proceeded to the 
light, with us recording what they had to say the whole time.  
Anyway once we were done apparently the demonic presence was 
released, but had lost most of its power without the subjugated 
spirits, and was really pissed. He was throwing dishes and 
silverware all over the house and the people had to leave 
eventually abandoning the house.  That was before we knew about 
orgonite.


We have some members that I feel are reckless that will challenge a 
spirit, and try to really provoke it. There is one spirit at TMG 
that resides in the lady's bathroom that has scratched 3 of our 
investigators at different times when they provoked it. I feel that 
is lowering your vibration and opening yourself up for attack and 
will not do it, and have never been attacked. I would never ask to 
be attacked or provoke, but some of the fellow investigators do, 
and I think it is foolish.


I will be contacting you off list to order.  Also I would like to 
discuss the construction of the hhg with you, I think I have an 
arrangement of the crystals that actually improves the unit and 
reduces the number of crystals needed by one. All that I made used 
this arrangement. Check your discernment/intuition on it and see if 
you find the same thing.


Marshall



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PT,

   Yes meat, so long as it is grass fed organic meat, is ok for some as 
long as it's in moderation.  That being said, in order to attain higher 
spiritual planes meat must be avoided.  Remember it is the product of 
violence and death in some form.  I'm not against eating it (I eat some fish 
and organic chicken myself), but you should understand what the effects will 
be.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "needling around" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall


IMHO this is fine, but I think we need to remember that everyone's body is 
not the same.  Meat is necessary for some.  Others can easily be 
vegetarians.  I do agree that the most wholesome food we can afford is 
always the best... meat, fruit, vegetables or dairy depending on the needs 
of our bodies.

PT
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Banever" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall



Marshall,

Many years ago I studied and lived in a macrobiotic community and 
the teacher, Michio Kushi, said something that stuck with me.  He said 
those that experience the devil eat the devil... meaning if you eat 
unwholesome, unnatural, chemicalized foods, or meat, you are prone to 
experience these things.  Clean yourself out, eat organically grown foods 
and whole grains (macrobiotics is big on brown rice and other whole 
grains), and you will not only experience physical regeneration, but 
psychological and spiritual regeneration as well.  You cannot ignore your 
body a healthy body leads to a healthy mind free to enjoy life to 
it's fullest, unencumbered by evil thoughts, anger, or spirits.  Grow 
your body and mind from the ground up, like a tree trunk, and make 
yourself impervious to these things.  It works, trust me.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall



bodhisattva wrote:
I do not recommend you try entity removal yourself unless you are 
absolutely sure of your spiritual power - and have no major doubts or 
chinks in your armor. (character flaws)


I agree with you there.   I don't have that much trouble with evil 
spirits, basically human spirits that were wicked when alive, I find 
that asking for protection and surrounding oneself with light works 
quite well and I keep my home filled with orgonite so they can't get me 
or my wife when I am not paying attention. Also I have a very powerful 
guardian angel.  However I will NOT take on demons.  If they can't get 
you directly they will go after loved ones and friends.  I simply cannot 
expose my family and friends to anything like that.  Our paranormal 
group has lost two members to demons, a priest and a demonologist when 
they did exorcisms.   I have only taken on one demon and that was by 
accident, didn't know what we were dealing with until after the fact, 
and we did not take it on directly, but rather were working to free 
subordinate spirits from its grasp, and had asked it to be bound until 
the captured spirits could go to the light, which most did.  One of the 
most amazing set of recordings we have ever gotten, as 16 or so spirits 
saw the light, were greeted by loved ones, and proceeded to the light, 
with us recording what they had to say the whole time.  Anyway once we 
were done apparently the demonic presence was released, but had lost 
most of its power without the subjugated spirits, and was really pissed. 
He was throwing dishes and silverware all over the house and the people 
had to leave eventually abandoning the house.  That was before we knew 
about orgonite.


We have some members that I feel are reckless that will challenge a 
spirit, and try to really provoke it. There is one spirit at TMG that 
resides in the lady's bathroom that has scratched 3 of our investigators 
at different times when they provoked it. I feel that is lowering your 
vibration and opening yourself up for attack and will not do it, and 
have never been attacked. I would never ask to be attacked or provoke, 
but some of the fellow investigators do, and I think it is foolish.


I will be contacting you off list to order.  Also I would like to 
discuss the construction of the hhg with you, I think I have an 
arrangement of the crystals that actually improves the unit and reduces 
the number of crystals needed by one. All that I made used this 
arrangement. Check your discernment/intuition on it and see if you find 
the same thing.


Marshall


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Thanks for this address I have been looking for a simple explanation of all
these devices.
PT
- Original Message -
From: Steve G
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

Kirsteen,

I recommend that you check out the microelectricity-germkiller yahoo
group and read up on their files and postings.What they experiment with and
use is low voltage (max of 6 volts) direct current for the purpose of killing
germs and viruses.They stronger advise against anything higher than 6 volts
and believe that more than that is dangerous.

This isn't the same thing as Dr. Clark's zapper though, so different
levels apply.

I found an excellent description comparing the various electrical
alternative treatments, including Clark's Zapper, the Godzilla, Rife Machines
and so on. Message 18610 on the Microelectricitygermkiller yahoo group
message archive. Or if you don't want to go there check out the web page I
created that includes this info.

http://www.eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/medical/electricity.htm

From: Kirsteen Wright
Subject: CS>Zapper
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:13 AM

I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having
the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen

Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall

IMHO this is fine, but I think we need to remember that everyone's body is 
not the same.  Meat is necessary for some.  Others can easily be 
vegetarians.  I do agree that the most wholesome food we can afford is 
always the best... meat, fruit, vegetables or dairy depending on the needs 
of our bodies.

PT
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Banever" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall



Marshall,

Many years ago I studied and lived in a macrobiotic community and 
the teacher, Michio Kushi, said something that stuck with me.  He said 
those that experience the devil eat the devil... meaning if you eat 
unwholesome, unnatural, chemicalized foods, or meat, you are prone to 
experience these things.  Clean yourself out, eat organically grown foods 
and whole grains (macrobiotics is big on brown rice and other whole 
grains), and you will not only experience physical regeneration, but 
psychological and spiritual regeneration as well.  You cannot ignore your 
body a healthy body leads to a healthy mind free to enjoy life to it's 
fullest, unencumbered by evil thoughts, anger, or spirits.  Grow your body 
and mind from the ground up, like a tree trunk, and make yourself 
impervious to these things.  It works, trust me.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall



bodhisattva wrote:
I do not recommend you try entity removal yourself unless you are 
absolutely sure of your spiritual power - and have no major doubts or 
chinks in your armor. (character flaws)


I agree with you there.   I don't have that much trouble with evil 
spirits, basically human spirits that were wicked when alive, I find that 
asking for protection and surrounding oneself with light works quite well 
and I keep my home filled with orgonite so they can't get me or my wife 
when I am not paying attention. Also I have a very powerful guardian 
angel.  However I will NOT take on demons.  If they can't get you 
directly they will go after loved ones and friends.  I simply cannot 
expose my family and friends to anything like that.  Our paranormal group 
has lost two members to demons, a priest and a demonologist when they did 
exorcisms.   I have only taken on one demon and that was by accident, 
didn't know what we were dealing with until after the fact, and we did 
not take it on directly, but rather were working to free subordinate 
spirits from its grasp, and had asked it to be bound until the captured 
spirits could go to the light, which most did.  One of the most amazing 
set of recordings we have ever gotten, as 16 or so spirits saw the light, 
were greeted by loved ones, and proceeded to the light, with us recording 
what they had to say the whole time.  Anyway once we were done apparently 
the demonic presence was released, but had lost most of its power without 
the subjugated spirits, and was really pissed.  He was throwing dishes 
and silverware all over the house and the people had to leave eventually 
abandoning the house.  That was before we knew about orgonite.


We have some members that I feel are reckless that will challenge a 
spirit, and try to really provoke it. There is one spirit at TMG that 
resides in the lady's bathroom that has scratched 3 of our investigators 
at different times when they provoked it. I feel that is lowering your 
vibration and opening yourself up for attack and will not do it, and have 
never been attacked. I would never ask to be attacked or provoke, but 
some of the fellow investigators do, and I think it is foolish.


I will be contacting you off list to order.  Also I would like to discuss 
the construction of the hhg with you, I think I have an arrangement of 
the crystals that actually improves the unit and reduces the number of 
crystals needed by one. All that I made used this arrangement. Check your 
discernment/intuition on it and see if you find the same thing.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-24 Thread Steve G

Kirsteen,

I recommend that you check out the microelectricity-germkiller yahoo group and 
read up on their files and postings.    What they experiment with and use is 
low voltage (max of 6 volts) direct current for the purpose of killing germs 
and viruses.    They stronger advise against anything higher than 6 volts and 
believe that more than that is dangerous.

This isn't the same thing as Dr. Clark's zapper though, so different levels 
apply.

I found an excellent description comparing the various electrical alternative 
treatments, including Clark's Zapper, the Godzilla, Rife Machines and so on.   
Message 18610 on the Microelectricitygermkiller yahoo group message archive.   
Or if you don't want to go there check out the web page I created that includes 
this info.

http://www.eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/medical/electricity.htm










From: Kirsteen Wright 
Subject: CS>Zapper
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:13 AM

I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between these 
two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having the dual 
frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a


and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d


I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen

Re: CS>Zapper

My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design. The
subtle energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that,
the electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the
time, anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with
Don's assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide
variety of things.

We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I
purchased a second one! The second one is coming from Africa, not made
by Don but by someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the
price, and I want to test effectiveness.

Kirsteen Wright wrote:
I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to
having the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen

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Re: CS>Orgonite/Marshall