RE: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
Thanks, Neville,
Now I must wonder what DW stands for…?
Gidon
From: Neville Munn [mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 3:23 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
Hope you don't mind me butting in here for a sec. EIS is just a simple
definition to distinguish or separate what we produce, i.e., a predominantly
Ionic Silver solution, from what marketers blurbs state as CS or Colloidal
Silver. Our product contains vastly more positively electrically charged
ions {Ag+ ions} than neutral 'charged?' particles or colloids. The process
of dispersing silver throughout DW by means of electrolysis.
Whilst manufacturers use electrolysis in some form to produce this stuff
most products are similar to what we produce but they misrepresent it as
'Colloidal Silver' when in fact it's not CS by accepted literature
definition. People are only misled because they don't understand the
difference between 'CS' and a 'predominantly Ionic silver solution', and
that's what marketers play on, peoples lack of understanding or basic
knowledge, and they cash in on that age old and outdated terminology...'CS'.
Our product contains no additives either which cannot be said of some
products out there, ours is just pure fine Silver dispersed in DW via the
electrolysis process.
N.
From: gidonke...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:34:11 +0300
Thanks Mary Ann.
I'm aware to rhetoric in on seller's websites. Asking a question about it is
an opportunity for learning, though.
As to EIS, what does Electrically Isolated Silver means practically?
Gidon
From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 4:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
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Re: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
DW = Distilled Water. It must be steam distilled.
MA
From: Gidon Kenar gidonke...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 5:06 AM
Subject: RE: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
Thanks, Neville,
Now I must wonder what DW stands for…?
Gidon
From: Neville Munn [mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 3:23 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
Hope you don't mind me butting in here for a sec. EIS is just a simple
definition to distinguish or separate what we produce, i.e., a predominantly
Ionic Silver solution, from what marketers blurbs state as CS or Colloidal
Silver. Our product contains vastly more positively electrically charged
ions {Ag+ ions} than neutral 'charged?' particles or colloids. The process
of dispersing silver throughout DW by means of electrolysis.
Whilst manufacturers use electrolysis in some form to produce this stuff
most products are similar to what we produce but they misrepresent it as
'Colloidal Silver' when in fact it's not CS by accepted literature
definition. People are only misled because they don't understand the
difference between 'CS' and a 'predominantly Ionic silver solution', and
that's what marketers play on, peoples lack of understanding or basic
knowledge, and they cash in on that age old and outdated terminology...'CS'.
Our product contains no additives either which cannot be said of some
products out there, ours is just pure fine Silver dispersed in DW via the
electrolysis process.
N.
From: gidonke...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:34:11 +0300
Thanks Mary Ann.
I'm aware to rhetoric in on seller's websites. Asking a question about it is
an opportunity for learning, though.
As to EIS, what does Electrically Isolated Silver means practically?
Gidon
From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 4:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
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CSMember with two questions (Dave Neuman)
Hi - I just have two unrelated questions: 1- Since we clean / prep storage bottles with Hydrogen Peroxide and Distilled Water, can we take empty hydrogen peroxide HDPE bottles, thoroughly rinse them with DW, and use them for short term storage of our CS? I have a COM-100 tester to check the bottles after prepping to see if there are any discrepancies. This would solve a problem of mine with giving some away to friends. 2- Has anyone purchased their silver wire from CC Silver and Gold Inc? They list 12 ga. . silver at $20 /ft. which seems like a decent price - the company is more jewelry based than for CS production. The silver is listed as dead soft. Since I am in my learning stage, just wasn't sure. Thanks so much - Dave Neuman Sent from my iPad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Biotics
I make my own and our son healed Lyme with it and a rife machine, I hope! Sent from my iPad On Jul 7, 2013, at 6:46 PM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Sales pitch. Nothing more, nothing less. Notice how they try to scare you at the end by telling you that Ionic Silver products can cause Argyria? It isn't any better than what you can make for yourself -- and it will cost you a bunch of money to buy their product. Better to spend that money on a transformer of your own so you can make gallons of EIS for less than a dollar a gallon. I hope some of the other list members will jump in here and offer their opinions and advice. MA From: Gidon Kenar gidonke...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 4:44 PM Subject: CSSilver Biotics Hi All, I found this claims for extra efficient EIS due to e special chemical structure at Silver Biotics here http://ablsilver.com/pdf/Silver-Biotics-Difference.pdf What do you think of this? Is it really that better? Regards Gidon Kenar -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSilver Biotics
Hi Diana, Can you expand the story somewhat further... I have a friend with Lime disease which might be interested in what you did? Gidon From: Diana Clock [mailto:dianacl...@ymail.com] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 5:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Biotics I make my own and our son healed Lyme with it and a rife machine, I hope! Sent from my iPad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMember with two questions (Dave Neuman)
Dave, I always use hydrogen peroxide bottles to hold my CS. I use a lot of it soaking my feet, so I empty one to two bottles a week. They are the perfect size for a batch and I give them to family and friends with a new CS label. Diane On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Dave Neuman trailerd...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi - I just have two unrelated questions: 1- Since we clean / prep storage bottles with Hydrogen Peroxide and Distilled Water, can we take empty hydrogen peroxide HDPE bottles, thoroughly rinse them with DW, and use them for short term storage of our CS? I have a COM-100 tester to check the bottles after prepping to see if there are any discrepancies. This would solve a problem of mine with giving some away to friends. 2- Has anyone purchased their silver wire from CC Silver and Gold Inc? They list 12 ga. . silver at $20 /ft. which seems like a decent price - the company is more jewelry based than for CS production. The silver is listed as dead soft. Since I am in my learning stage, just wasn't sure. Thanks so much - Dave Neuman Sent from my iPad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
On 7/7/2013 11:45 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I had a couple of samples of mine tested
specifically for pH a couple of years ago.
Sample 1. Tested within 24 hours after production and pH read off the
scale on the alkaline.
Sample 2. Tested after it had been in storage for a week or so read 7.0
Note: Whilst I am unable to locate the exact numbers on the above, I
do know they were greater than base 7.0 because I had those two
samples tested specifically for pH to varify the findings of the
following.
Several years prior to the above I had several other samples {from
different batches and storage time frames} laboratory analysed of my
EIS and one of those tests included pH and ALL were between 7.4 and 7.8
My conclusion going on all the above tests...pH is sky high
immediately after cessation of the brewing process but drops over time
to steady at 7.0, none were below 7.0 or acidic.
That is expected. Ionic silver is a combination of silver oxide and
silver hydroxide. Silver hydroxide is alkaline. Over time the ionic
silver tends to form colloidal silver, thus the ph should go down toward
7. Now if exposed to air for sufficient time, the ionic silver will
eventually react with CO2 in the air forming silver carbonate, a salt,
and eventually one could expect the pH to go below 7, as carbonic acid
is formed and there is no silver hydroxide left to neutralize it.
I had samples 1 and 2 tested by water people {people who monitor
swimming pools} as I don't trust those Litmus paper thingo's, or those
pH meters.
I think most of these people use the pH meters themselves. If done
properly, the meters can be quite accurate.
Marshall
Re: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
DW means distilled water.
Marshall
On 7/8/2013 6:06 AM, Gidon Kenar wrote:
Thanks, Neville,
Now I must wonder what DW stands for…?
Gidon
From: Neville Munn [mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 3:23 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
Hope you don't mind me butting in here for a sec. EIS is just a simple
definition to distinguish or separate what we produce, i.e., a predominantly
Ionic Silver solution, from what marketers blurbs state as CS or Colloidal
Silver. Our product contains vastly more positively electrically charged
ions {Ag+ ions} than neutral 'charged?' particles or colloids. The process
of dispersing silver throughout DW by means of electrolysis.
Whilst manufacturers use electrolysis in some form to produce this stuff
most products are similar to what we produce but they misrepresent it as
'Colloidal Silver' when in fact it's not CS by accepted literature
definition. People are only misled because they don't understand the
difference between 'CS' and a 'predominantly Ionic silver solution', and
that's what marketers play on, peoples lack of understanding or basic
knowledge, and they cash in on that age old and outdated terminology...'CS'.
Our product contains no additives either which cannot be said of some
products out there, ours is just pure fine Silver dispersed in DW via the
electrolysis process.
N.
From: gidonke...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 00:34:11 +0300
Thanks Mary Ann.
I'm aware to rhetoric in on seller's websites. Asking a question about it is
an opportunity for learning, though.
As to EIS, what does Electrically Isolated Silver means practically?
Gidon
From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 4:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSpositively/negatively charged silver
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Re: CSSilver Biotics
Well we did so many things in the 2 yearsantib through a LLMD in MO. Bed ridden for most of that time while on some heavy duty oral and a relapse when he went off, we researched the DP 100 and silver. We were lucky to try one out first..he herxed on it, so we had to go slow. Added into the mix we found through a really good ND, found he had mold and West Nile. After 6 more months of her treating him he is now better. Still has energy issues but was able to get back in school and life. The whole body was a mess! Good luck to your friend! Sent from my iPad On Jul 8, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Gidon Kenar gidonke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Diana, Can you expand the story somewhat further... I have a friend with Lime disease which might be interested in what you did? Gidon From: Diana Clock [mailto:dianacl...@ymail.com] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 5:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver Biotics I make my own and our son healed Lyme with it and a rife machine, I hope! Sent from my iPad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMember with two questions (Dave Neuman)
On 7/8/2013 8:33 AM, Dave Neuman wrote: Hi - I just have two unrelated questions: 1- Since we clean / prep storage bottles with Hydrogen Peroxide and Distilled Water, can we take empty hydrogen peroxide HDPE bottles, thoroughly rinse them with DW, and use them for short term storage of our CS? I have a COM-100 tester to check the bottles after prepping to see if there are any discrepancies. This would solve a problem of mine with giving some away to friends. The bottles are excellent for storing EIS. 2- Has anyone purchased their silver wire from CC Silver and Gold Inc? They list 12 ga. . silver at $20 /ft. which seems like a decent price - the company is more jewelry based than for CS production. The silver is listed as dead soft. Since I am in my learning stage, just wasn't sure. I have purchased from CC silver. Marshall Thanks so much - Dave Neuman Sent from my iPad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3204/5973 - Release Date: 07/08/13
Re: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
Strange!
My meter or the best test strips I could find never went over 6.8 no matter
how fresh or old my solution was.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
**
On 7/7/2013 11:45 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I had a couple of samples of mine tested
specifically for pH a couple of years ago.
Sample 1. Tested within 24 hours after production and pH read off the
scale on the alkaline.
Sample 2. Tested after it had been in storage for a week or so read 7.0
Note: Whilst I am unable to locate the exact numbers on the above, I do
know they were greater than base 7.0 because I had those two samples tested
specifically for pH to varify the findings of the following.
Several years prior to the above I had several other samples {from
different batches and storage time frames} laboratory analysed of my EIS
and one of those tests included pH and ALL were between 7.4 and 7.8
My conclusion going on all the above tests...pH is sky high immediately
after cessation of the brewing process but drops over time to steady at
7.0, none were below 7.0 or acidic.
That is expected. Ionic silver is a combination of silver oxide and
silver hydroxide. Silver hydroxide is alkaline. Over time the ionic silver
tends to form colloidal silver, thus the ph should go down toward 7. Now
if exposed to air for sufficient time, the ionic silver will eventually
react with CO2 in the air forming silver carbonate, a salt, and eventually
one could expect the pH to go below 7, as carbonic acid is formed and there
is no silver hydroxide left to neutralize it.
I had samples 1 and 2 tested by water people {people who monitor
swimming pools} as I don't trust those Litmus paper thingo's, or those pH
meters.
I think most of these people use the pH meters themselves. If done
properly, the meters can be quite accurate.
Marshall
Re: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
Distilled water should be around pH 7 when freshly made. However, if
left sitting around exposed to air, it can go down to pH 5.5. I read
that nitrogen which is 78% of the air reacts with the DW and creates
nitric acid.
If you measure the pH of your DW right before you make EIS and right
after making EIS, you should get a higher pH.
Joe H.
On 08/07/2013 12:39 PM, Da Darrin wrote:
Strange!
My meter or the best test strips I could find never went over 6.8 no
matter how fresh or old my solution was.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com
mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
On 7/7/2013 11:45 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I had a couple of samples of mine
tested specifically for pH a couple of years ago.
Sample 1. Tested within 24 hours after production and pH read
off the scale on the alkaline.
Sample 2. Tested after it had been in storage for a week or so
read 7.0
Note: Whilst I am unable to locate the exact numbers on the
above, I do know they were greater than base 7.0 because I had
those two samples tested specifically for pH to varify the
findings of the following.
Several years prior to the above I had several other samples
{from different batches and storage time frames} laboratory
analysed of my EIS and one of those tests included pH and ALL
were between 7.4 and 7.8
My conclusion going on all the above tests...pH is sky high
immediately after cessation of the brewing process but drops over
time to steady at 7.0, none were below 7.0 or acidic.
That is expected. Ionic silver is a combination of silver oxide
and silver hydroxide. Silver hydroxide is alkaline. Over time the
ionic silver tends to form colloidal silver, thus the ph should go
down toward 7. Now if exposed to air for sufficient time, the
ionic silver will eventually react with CO2 in the air forming
silver carbonate, a salt, and eventually one could expect the pH
to go below 7, as carbonic acid is formed and there is no silver
hydroxide left to neutralize it.
I had samples 1 and 2 tested by water people {people who monitor
swimming pools} as I don't trust those Litmus paper thingo's, or
those pH meters.
I think most of these people use the pH meters themselves. If
done properly, the meters can be quite accurate.
Marshall
Re: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
I use distilled water from Walmart in sealed jugs. Can't imagine how
measuring the ph of the water would make a difference in the ph of the
finished product.
I make mine in a gallon sun tea jug with a screw on top and the only way it
is exposed to the air is what air could get in around the silver strips
that fit fairly tight through slots cut in the lid. Of course if you turned
it upside down it would leak liquid.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote:
Distilled water should be around pH 7 when freshly made. However, if left
sitting around exposed to air, it can go down to pH 5.5. I read that
nitrogen which is 78% of the air reacts with the DW and creates nitric acid.
If you measure the pH of your DW right before you make EIS and right after
making EIS, you should get a higher pH.
Joe H.
On 08/07/2013 12:39 PM, Da Darrin wrote:
Strange!
My meter or the best test strips I could find never went over 6.8 no
matter how fresh or old my solution was.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
On 7/7/2013 11:45 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I had a couple of samples of mine tested
specifically for pH a couple of years ago.
Sample 1. Tested within 24 hours after production and pH read off the
scale on the alkaline.
Sample 2. Tested after it had been in storage for a week or so read 7.0
Note: Whilst I am unable to locate the exact numbers on the above, I do
know they were greater than base 7.0 because I had those two samples tested
specifically for pH to varify the findings of the following.
Several years prior to the above I had several other samples {from
different batches and storage time frames} laboratory analysed of my EIS
and one of those tests included pH and ALL were between 7.4 and 7.8
My conclusion going on all the above tests...pH is sky high immediately
after cessation of the brewing process but drops over time to steady at
7.0, none were below 7.0 or acidic.
That is expected. Ionic silver is a combination of silver oxide and
silver hydroxide. Silver hydroxide is alkaline. Over time the ionic silver
tends to form colloidal silver, thus the ph should go down toward 7. Now
if exposed to air for sufficient time, the ionic silver will eventually
react with CO2 in the air forming silver carbonate, a salt, and eventually
one could expect the pH to go below 7, as carbonic acid is formed and there
is no silver hydroxide left to neutralize it.
I had samples 1 and 2 tested by water people {people who monitor
swimming pools} as I don't trust those Litmus paper thingo's, or those pH
meters.
I think most of these people use the pH meters themselves. If done
properly, the meters can be quite accurate.
Marshall
Re: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
Just saying that as an experimenter, it's nice to know ALL the facts,
and not make assumptions that might be untrue. Like not getting a higher
pH in homemade EIS. If you know the pH of the DW before making EIS, and
it is near 7; then a resultant EIS that is not much higher that 7 might
give a clue that it isn't good EIS.
On 08/07/2013 1:44 PM, Da Darrin wrote:
I use distilled water from Walmart in sealed jugs. Can't imagine how
measuring the ph of the water would make a difference in the ph of the
finished product.
I make mine in a gallon sun tea jug with a screw on top and the only
way it is exposed to the air is what air could get in around the
silver strips that fit fairly tight through slots cut in the lid. Of
course if you turned it upside down it would leak liquid.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca
mailto:joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote:
Distilled water should be around pH 7 when freshly made. However,
if left sitting around exposed to air, it can go down to pH 5.5. I
read that nitrogen which is 78% of the air reacts with the DW and
creates nitric acid.
If you measure the pH of your DW right before you make EIS and
right after making EIS, you should get a higher pH.
Joe H.
On 08/07/2013 12:39 PM, Da Darrin wrote:
Strange!
My meter or the best test strips I could find never went over 6.8
no matter how fresh or old my solution was.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com
mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
On 7/7/2013 11:45 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I had a couple of samples of
mine tested specifically for pH a couple of years ago.
Sample 1. Tested within 24 hours after production and pH
read off the scale on the alkaline.
Sample 2. Tested after it had been in storage for a week or
so read 7.0
Note: Whilst I am unable to locate the exact numbers on the
above, I do know they were greater than base 7.0 because I
had those two samples tested specifically for pH to varify
the findings of the following.
Several years prior to the above I had several other samples
{from different batches and storage time frames} laboratory
analysed of my EIS and one of those tests included pH and
ALL were between 7.4 and 7.8
My conclusion going on all the above tests...pH is sky high
immediately after cessation of the brewing process but drops
over time to steady at 7.0, none were below 7.0 or acidic.
That is expected. Ionic silver is a combination of silver
oxide and silver hydroxide. Silver hydroxide is alkaline.
Over time the ionic silver tends to form colloidal silver,
thus the ph should go down toward 7. Now if exposed to air
for sufficient time, the ionic silver will eventually react
with CO2 in the air forming silver carbonate, a salt, and
eventually one could expect the pH to go below 7, as carbonic
acid is formed and there is no silver hydroxide left to
neutralize it.
I had samples 1 and 2 tested by water people {people who
monitor swimming pools} as I don't trust those Litmus paper
thingo's, or those pH meters.
I think most of these people use the pH meters themselves.
If done properly, the meters can be quite accurate.
Marshall
Re: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
Be aware that pH (base 10) is a log scale, so figuring what the initial
pH contributed to the final is not trivial. For instance, a pH of 9 is
10 times more alkaline than a pH of 8, and a pH of 10 is 100 times more.
Marshall
On 7/8/2013 1:55 PM, Joe Huard wrote:
Just saying that as an experimenter, it's nice to know ALL the facts,
and not make assumptions that might be untrue. Like not getting a
higher pH in homemade EIS. If you know the pH of the DW before making
EIS, and it is near 7; then a resultant EIS that is not much higher
that 7 might give a clue that it isn't good EIS.
On 08/07/2013 1:44 PM, Da Darrin wrote:
I use distilled water from Walmart in sealed jugs. Can't imagine how
measuring the ph of the water would make a difference in the ph of
the finished product.
I make mine in a gallon sun tea jug with a screw on top and the only
way it is exposed to the air is what air could get in around the
silver strips that fit fairly tight through slots cut in the lid. Of
course if you turned it upside down it would leak liquid.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca
mailto:joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote:
Distilled water should be around pH 7 when freshly made. However,
if left sitting around exposed to air, it can go down to pH 5.5.
I read that nitrogen which is 78% of the air reacts with the DW
and creates nitric acid.
If you measure the pH of your DW right before you make EIS and
right after making EIS, you should get a higher pH.
Joe H.
On 08/07/2013 12:39 PM, Da Darrin wrote:
Strange!
My meter or the best test strips I could find never went over
6.8 no matter how fresh or old my solution was.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com
mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
On 7/7/2013 11:45 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I had a couple of samples of
mine tested specifically for pH a couple of years ago.
Sample 1. Tested within 24 hours after production and pH
read off the scale on the alkaline.
Sample 2. Tested after it had been in storage for a week
or so read 7.0
Note: Whilst I am unable to locate the exact numbers on the
above, I do know they were greater than base 7.0 because I
had those two samples tested specifically for pH to varify
the findings of the following.
Several years prior to the above I had several other
samples {from different batches and storage time frames}
laboratory analysed of my EIS and one of those tests
included pH and ALL were between 7.4 and 7.8
My conclusion going on all the above tests...pH is sky high
immediately after cessation of the brewing process but
drops over time to steady at 7.0, none were below 7.0 or
acidic.
That is expected. Ionic silver is a combination of silver
oxide and silver hydroxide. Silver hydroxide is alkaline.
Over time the ionic silver tends to form colloidal silver,
thus the ph should go down toward 7. Now if exposed to air
for sufficient time, the ionic silver will eventually react
with CO2 in the air forming silver carbonate, a salt, and
eventually one could expect the pH to go below 7, as
carbonic acid is formed and there is no silver hydroxide
left to neutralize it.
I had samples 1 and 2 tested by water people {people who
monitor swimming pools} as I don't trust those Litmus paper
thingo's, or those pH meters.
I think most of these people use the pH meters themselves.
If done properly, the meters can be quite accurate.
Marshall
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RE: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
I fail to see the significance of the water pH or EIS pH. Dose it has any
health consequence, considering the minute amounts one usually takes?
Regards
Gidon Kenar
From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
Be aware that pH (base 10) is a log scale, so figuring what the initial pH
contributed to the final is not trivial. For instance, a pH of 9 is 10
times more alkaline than a pH of 8, and a pH of 10 is 100 times more.
Marshall
On 7/8/2013 1:55 PM, Joe Huard wrote:
Just saying that as an experimenter, it's nice to know ALL the facts, and
not make assumptions that might be untrue. Like not getting a higher pH in
homemade EIS. If you know the pH of the DW before making EIS, and it is near
7; then a resultant EIS that is not much higher that 7 might give a clue
that it isn't good EIS.
On 08/07/2013 1:44 PM, Da Darrin wrote:
I use distilled water from Walmart in sealed jugs. Can't imagine how
measuring the ph of the water would make a difference in the ph of the
finished product.
I make mine in a gallon sun tea jug with a screw on top and the only way it
is exposed to the air is what air could get in around the silver strips that
fit fairly tight through slots cut in the lid. Of course if you turned it
upside down it would leak liquid.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Joe Huard joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote:
Distilled water should be around pH 7 when freshly made. However, if left
sitting around exposed to air, it can go down to pH 5.5. I read that
nitrogen which is 78% of the air reacts with the DW and creates nitric acid.
If you measure the pH of your DW right before you make EIS and right after
making EIS, you should get a higher pH.
Joe H.
On 08/07/2013 12:39 PM, Da Darrin wrote:
Strange!
My meter or the best test strips I could find never went over 6.8 no matter
how fresh or old my solution was.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
On 7/7/2013 11:45 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I had a couple of samples of mine tested
specifically for pH a couple of years ago.
Sample 1. Tested within 24 hours after production and pH read off the scale
on the alkaline.
Sample 2. Tested after it had been in storage for a week or so read 7.0
Note: Whilst I am unable to locate the exact numbers on the above, I do know
they were greater than base 7.0 because I had those two samples tested
specifically for pH to varify the findings of the following.
Several years prior to the above I had several other samples {from different
batches and storage time frames} laboratory analysed of my EIS and one of
those tests included pH and ALL were between 7.4 and 7.8
My conclusion going on all the above tests...pH is sky high immediately
after cessation of the brewing process but drops over time to steady at
7.0, none were below 7.0 or acidic.
That is expected. Ionic silver is a combination of silver oxide and silver
hydroxide. Silver hydroxide is alkaline. Over time the ionic silver tends
to form colloidal silver, thus the ph should go down toward 7. Now if
exposed to air for sufficient time, the ionic silver will eventually react
with CO2 in the air forming silver carbonate, a salt, and eventually one
could expect the pH to go below 7, as carbonic acid is formed and there is
no silver hydroxide left to neutralize it.
I had samples 1 and 2 tested by water people {people who monitor swimming
pools} as I don't trust those Litmus paper thingo's, or those pH meters.
I think most of these people use the pH meters themselves. If done
properly, the meters can be quite accurate.
Marshall
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RE: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
...i swish an ounce or more of CS through my teeth and hold it in my mouth
for a long time daily to retard tooth decay some and keep gums healthy. if
it were acidic i would be eroding the enamel off my teeth, so that's one
concern for pH.
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From: Gidon Kenar [mailto:gidonke...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:53 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
I fail to see the significance of the water pH or EIS pH.
Dose it has any
health consequence, considering the minute amounts one usually takes?
Regards
Gidon Kenar
From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWhat is the OPTIMAL PH of Distilled Water Needed?
Be aware that pH (base 10) is a log scale, so figuring what
the initial pH
contributed to the final is not trivial. For instance, a pH
of 9 is 10
times more alkaline than a pH of 8, and a pH of 10 is 100 times more.
Marshall
On 7/8/2013 1:55 PM, Joe Huard wrote:
Just saying that as an experimenter, it's nice to know ALL
the facts, and
not make assumptions that might be untrue. Like not getting a
higher pH in
homemade EIS. If you know the pH of the DW before making EIS,
and it is near
7; then a resultant EIS that is not much higher that 7 might
give a clue
that it isn't good EIS.
On 08/07/2013 1:44 PM, Da Darrin wrote:
I use distilled water from Walmart in sealed jugs. Can't imagine how
measuring the ph of the water would make a difference in the ph of the
finished product.
I make mine in a gallon sun tea jug with a screw on top and
the only way it
is exposed to the air is what air could get in around the
silver strips that
fit fairly tight through slots cut in the lid. Of course if
you turned it
upside down it would leak liquid.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Joe Huard
joe.hu...@primus.ca wrote:
Distilled water should be around pH 7 when freshly made.
However, if left
sitting around exposed to air, it can go down to pH 5.5. I read that
nitrogen which is 78% of the air reacts with the DW and
creates nitric acid.
If you measure the pH of your DW right before you make EIS
and right after
making EIS, you should get a higher pH.
Joe H.
On 08/07/2013 12:39 PM, Da Darrin wrote:
Strange!
My meter or the best test strips I could find never went over
6.8 no matter
how fresh or old my solution was.
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Marshall
mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
On 7/7/2013 11:45 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Just as a point of interest, I had a couple of samples of mine tested
specifically for pH a couple of years ago.
Sample 1. Tested within 24 hours after production and pH
read off the scale
on the alkaline.
Sample 2. Tested after it had been in storage for a week or
so read 7.0
Note: Whilst I am unable to locate the exact numbers on the
above, I do know
they were greater than base 7.0 because I had those two samples tested
specifically for pH to varify the findings of the following.
Several years prior to the above I had several other samples
{from different
batches and storage time frames} laboratory analysed of my
EIS and one of
those tests included pH and ALL were between 7.4 and 7.8
My conclusion going on all the above tests...pH is sky high
immediately
after cessation of the brewing process but drops over time to
steady at
7.0, none were below 7.0 or acidic.
That is expected. Ionic silver is a combination of silver
oxide and silver
hydroxide. Silver hydroxide is alkaline. Over time the ionic
silver tends
to form colloidal silver, thus the ph should go down toward 7. Now if
exposed to air for sufficient time, the ionic silver will
eventually react
with CO2 in the air forming silver carbonate, a salt, and
eventually one
could expect the pH to go below 7, as carbonic acid is formed
and there is
no silver hydroxide left to neutralize it.
I had samples 1 and 2 tested by water people {people who
monitor swimming
pools} as I don't trust those Litmus paper thingo's, or those
pH meters.
I think most of these people use the pH meters themselves. If done
properly, the meters can be quite accurate.
Marshall
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CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update:
I've been conducting an experiment to see if silver can maintain a swilling pool standalone. I have 8 buckets, each 4 gallons in size. Four of the buckets have water taken from the pool (chlorinated). The other 4 are tap water. I have added no silver, 10ppb silver, 30ppb silver, and 70ppb silver to each of the four buckets, for both tap water and pool water cases respectively. There is also a 9th bucket with tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide. The source of silver used is silveroxide powder dissolved in concentrated solutions of citric acid, forming presumably silver citrate. Measuring silver down to the ppb takes some work and some serial dilution. It was quite a pain. It has been about 3 weeks into the experiment now. Thus far, none of the 4 pool water buckets has obviously visible scum growing. However, all 5 of the tap water buckets show sign of some green junk (I guess algae) growing in the bucket. The tap water with no added silver does clearly have much more scum growing in it than the other buckets, so there is clearly a substantial benefit to the silver. One strange thing is that the bucket with tap water and 10ppb silver has the least growth as compared to tap water with higher concentrations of silver (30ppb and 70ppb). The tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide also has more growth in comparison. I am taking both of these last two observations to be a fluke. We allowed junk to just fall into the bucket. So there are some dead flies, plant debris etc. Every few days we had to add tap water to make up for evaporation. The question is what to do now? The obvious thought is to add silver at much higher concentrations and wait for an obvious reversal of the growth to be seen upon doing so. How high a silver concentration would one be willing to swim in? It would probably be therapeutic to swim in 10PPM silver! I presume most of the silver is forming clumps of silver compounds like silver chloride and staying in colloidal suspension. Swimming in high concentrations of such silver should not pose argyria risk, wouldn't you think? My plan has been to find a functional level, then just add some silver each month - enough so you are sure it makes up for any lost silver that last month. Then do a worst case calculation for seeing how high the lifelong silver content in the pool could go, and conclude that even that upper bound is safe. Comments appreciated. I would really like this work in swimming pools. I have a dream of turning a swimming pool into a functional water storage that could be further processed to make it drinkable. David
RE: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update:
I used to have a swimming pool that I installed an ionizer consisting of 2 silver bars mounted on a plastic pipe with low voltage dc. I never had to use chlorine. The PH stayed in range too bu the maintenance was high because the plastic pipe couldn't take the heat and would warp. Thanks, Jim From: David AuBuchon [mailto:davidra...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 4:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update: I've been conducting an experiment to see if silver can maintain a swilling pool standalone. I have 8 buckets, each 4 gallons in size. Four of the buckets have water taken from the pool (chlorinated). The other 4 are tap water. I have added no silver, 10ppb silver, 30ppb silver, and 70ppb silver to each of the four buckets, for both tap water and pool water cases respectively. There is also a 9th bucket with tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide. The source of silver used is silveroxide powder dissolved in concentrated solutions of citric acid, forming presumably silver citrate. Measuring silver down to the ppb takes some work and some serial dilution. It was quite a pain. It has been about 3 weeks into the experiment now. Thus far, none of the 4 pool water buckets has obviously visible scum growing. However, all 5 of the tap water buckets show sign of some green junk (I guess algae) growing in the bucket. The tap water with no added silver does clearly have much more scum growing in it than the other buckets, so there is clearly a substantial benefit to the silver. One strange thing is that the bucket with tap water and 10ppb silver has the least growth as compared to tap water with higher concentrations of silver (30ppb and 70ppb). The tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide also has more growth in comparison. I am taking both of these last two observations to be a fluke. We allowed junk to just fall into the bucket. So there are some dead flies, plant debris etc. Every few days we had to add tap water to make up for evaporation. The question is what to do now? The obvious thought is to add silver at much higher concentrations and wait for an obvious reversal of the growth to be seen upon doing so. How high a silver concentration would one be willing to swim in? It would probably be therapeutic to swim in 10PPM silver! I presume most of the silver is forming clumps of silver compounds like silver chloride and staying in colloidal suspension. Swimming in high concentrations of such silver should not pose argyria risk, wouldn't you think? My plan has been to find a functional level, then just add some silver each month - enough so you are sure it makes up for any lost silver that last month. Then do a worst case calculation for seeing how high the lifelong silver content in the pool could go, and conclude that even that upper bound is safe. Comments appreciated. I would really like this work in swimming pools. I have a dream of turning a swimming pool into a functional water storage that could be further processed to make it drinkable. David
Re: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update:
Just a suggestion. I worked for a company that manufactured, installed and maintained pools, both chlorinated and baquacil types. One test we always ran was for tds total dissolved solids. This was always helpful because we could compare previous readings to present ones and could often forestall an algae 'bloom'. Point being, with a tds meter, you could test various buckets and, even if they seemed 'eye clean', the tds readings might tell a very different story. So, in addition to eyeballing.. getting and using a tds meter might give you more accuracy. Have you thought about using a baquacil like product (hydrogen peroxide base) for your pool? Start up is a little more expensive but it is very easy to maintain and gives 24 hr bacteria 'kill', doesn't evaporate, and is very kind to eyes, bathing suits, skin, hair and pool linings. and never needs 'shocking'.Lola H. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM, David AuBuchon davidra...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been conducting an experiment to see if silver can maintain a swilling pool standalone. I have 8 buckets, each 4 gallons in size. Four of the buckets have water taken from the pool (chlorinated). The other 4 are tap water. I have added no silver, 10ppb silver, 30ppb silver, and 70ppb silver to each of the four buckets, for both tap water and pool water cases respectively. There is also a 9th bucket with tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide. The source of silver used is silveroxide powder dissolved in concentrated solutions of citric acid, forming presumably silver citrate. Measuring silver down to the ppb takes some work and some serial dilution. It was quite a pain. It has been about 3 weeks into the experiment now. Thus far, none of the 4 pool water buckets has obviously visible scum growing. However, all 5 of the tap water buckets show sign of some green junk (I guess algae) growing in the bucket. The tap water with no added silver does clearly have much more scum growing in it than the other buckets, so there is clearly a substantial benefit to the silver. One strange thing is that the bucket with tap water and 10ppb silver has the least growth as compared to tap water with higher concentrations of silver (30ppb and 70ppb). The tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide also has more growth in comparison. I am taking both of these last two observations to be a fluke. We allowed junk to just fall into the bucket. So there are some dead flies, plant debris etc. Every few days we had to add tap water to make up for evaporation. The question is what to do now? The obvious thought is to add silver at much higher concentrations and wait for an obvious reversal of the growth to be seen upon doing so. How high a silver concentration would one be willing to swim in? It would probably be therapeutic to swim in 10PPM silver! I presume most of the silver is forming clumps of silver compounds like silver chloride and staying in colloidal suspension. Swimming in high concentrations of such silver should not pose argyria risk, wouldn't you think? My plan has been to find a functional level, then just add some silver each month - enough so you are sure it makes up for any lost silver that last month. Then do a worst case calculation for seeing how high the lifelong silver content in the pool could go, and conclude that even that upper bound is safe. Comments appreciated. I would really like this work in swimming pools. I have a dream of turning a swimming pool into a functional water storage that could be further processed to make it drinkable. David
