Re: CSCS with H2O2 inventor found?
Jim Holmes wrote: Ode, Marshall, Please comment. Jim On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: I came across this at the Earth Clinic site and thought it might be of interest. - Steve N http://www.earthclinic.com/Supplements/colloidal_silver_questions.html Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Agyria is a common problem with using a straight batch of colloidal silver, often the skin is not really blue, it is closer to gray color. This statement is false, argyria from true CS is almost unheard of. The problem occurs when a free silver ions react with the sulfur in your body to from AgS, or silver sulfide. False. Silver does not react with elemental sulfur. You can take silver and put it into flowers of sulfur and there is no reaction at all. Now silver will react with the sulfur if the sulfur is in an activated state, instead of bound firmly with something like MSM. But there is normally little if any reactive sulfur in the body, the primary place you can find it would be in the colon as hydrogen sulfide, the rotten egg gas. Most colloidal silver produced are actually either a nonreactive Ag or a reactive Ag with a charge, then it reacts with the body's available sulfur to cause a blue skin, more more accurately is gray skin. We normally call it colloidal silver, or ionic silver. Ionic silver does not normally react with the sulfur in the body, the sulfur is too tightly bound. Even if it did it would not cause argyria because first of all the particle size is going to be only two atoms, and this small particle will not get stuck anywhere. Also it would form throughout the body, not just at the sking where sunlight is available. Argyria is caused by the photographic process, not silver sulfide. This problem can be prevented, which I solved over a decade ago, which required that a couple of drops of hydrogen peroxide is added to a liter of colloidal silver. The peroxide, reacts with the FREE silver ions to form Silver Oxide. That is incorrect, the ionic silver which is what has the ions is ALREADY silver oxide. It does react with it though and produces 2 atom colloidal silver. When I first add this, I get a cloudly solution, That is because he is not waiting long enough after making it for the silver hydroxide to convert to silver oxide and colloid. and after three days, this cloudy solution becomes a clear white transparent water. This we are aware of. However, an unreacted Ag or Silver in a solution will show itself is a faint yellow transparent solution. This is because the H2O2 converts large colloidal particles to silver oxide, and silver oxide to 2 particle colloid. The 2 particle colloid has a very very faint tyndall. So this ia an easy way to tell. If you add a drop of H2O2 into this it becomes cloudy. Not if you wait for it to stabilize first. However, if the solution is Silver oxide, it won't become cloudy as there is no longer any free silver ions. That is incorrect, the cloudiness is actually silver oxide precipitant because the amount exceeds the 13 ppm solubility of silver oxide. When they are no longer free, it won't react with the body's sulfur to form silver oxide. This is backwards, since cloudiness is caused by an oversaturated solution of silver oxide, a clear solution will have less, not more of it. Also the reason most EIS does not react with the body's sulfur is that it is not available, it is already bound heavily by other elements in the body. Hence, if a hydrogen peroxide, at least, is added to the colloidal silver you buy, the silver is no longer free, and the condition of blue skin or gray skin or agyria is prevented. This is not correct. There are both ionic and colloidal silver present both before and after adding the H2O2. The only difference is that the colloidal particles will be smaller after adding it If one is getting argyria from store bought cs then it is mislabeled and not really cs, but likely MSP. However, there is ANOTHER way, that DOES NOT REQUIRE you to wait for three days to fully digest the free Silver. When I make a batch of colloidal silver, using the silver wire or silver rods as an electrode using any D.C. adapter, the BEGINNING solution is distilled water with a 0.5% H2O2 concentration, which is 1/2 percent H2O2 concentration, or approximate amount such as one tablespoon (plastic spoons!) of 3% H2O2 in a 1 or 1.5 liter of colloidal silver is generally sufficient, to prevent any free metal silver form occuring. First of all plastic spoons are normally teaspoons not tablespoons, which are 1/3 as big. If he is starting with normally available H2O2 which is 3% then he does not have .5%, but rather 1/200th of
Re: CSCS with H2O2 inventor found?
When your silverware tarnishes, that's Silver Sulfide. I doubt there are any free ions on your shelf or in a spoon. But if you put that spoon in an Aluminum pan full of salt water or any conductive solution, Silver ions do form via battery effect and destroys the Sulfide compound. Ode At 05:26 PM 9/15/2010 -0500, you wrote: I came across this at the Earth Clinic site and thought it might be of interest. - Steve N http://www.earthclinic.com/Supplements/colloidal_silver_questions.html Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Agyria is a common problem with using a straight batch of colloidal silver, often the skin is not really blue, it is closer to gray color. The problem occurs when a free silver ions react with the sulfur in your body to from AgS, or silver sulfide. Most colloidal silver produced are actually either a nonreactive Ag or a reactive Ag with a charge, then it reacts with the body's available sulfur to cause a blue skin, more more accurately is gray skin. This problem can be prevented, which I solved over a decade ago, which required that a couple of drops of hydrogen peroxide is added to a liter of colloidal silver. The peroxide, reacts with the FREE silver ions to form Silver Oxide. When I first add this, I get a cloudly solution, and after three days, this cloudy solution becomes a clear white transparent water. However, an unreacted Ag or Silver in a solution will show itself is a faint yellow transparent solution. So this ia an easy way to tell. If you add a drop of H2O2 into this it becomes cloudy. However, if the solution is Silver oxide, it won't become cloudy as there is no longer any free silver ions. When they are no longer free, it won't react with the body's sulfur to form silver oxide. Hence, if a hydrogen peroxide, at least, is added to the colloidal silver you buy, the silver is no longer free, and the condition of blue skin or gray skin or agyria is prevented. However, there is ANOTHER way, that DOES NOT REQUIRE you to wait for three days to fully digest the free Silver. When I make a batch of colloidal silver, using the silver wire or silver rods as an electrode using any D.C. adapter, the BEGINNING solution is distilled water with a 0.5% H2O2 concentration, which is 1/2 percent H2O2 concentration, or approximate amount such as one tablespoon (plastic spoons!) of 3% H2O2 in a 1 or 1.5 liter of colloidal silver is generally sufficient, to prevent any free metal silver form occuring. It should be noted that a silver oxide may have a better antibacterial properties and less staining problems then the use of pure silver. So in practice, the use of COLLOIDAL SILVER OXIDE, is the one I actually use and relatively problem free. For example, if a free silver has too much charges, I have noted that constipation occurs if taken too much of colloidal silver with FREE SILVER, but this doesn't happen (within reason such as NOT DRINKING liters of it!) if a COLLOIDAL silver oxide is prepared. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS with H2O2 inventor found?
Ode, Marshall, Please comment. Jim On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote: I came across this at the Earth Clinic site and thought it might be of interest. - Steve N http://www.earthclinic.com/Supplements/colloidal_silver_questions.html Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Agyria is a common problem with using a straight batch of colloidal silver, often the skin is not really blue, it is closer to gray color. The problem occurs when a free silver ions react with the sulfur in your body to from AgS, or silver sulfide. Most colloidal silver produced are actually either a nonreactive Ag or a reactive Ag with a charge, then it reacts with the body's available sulfur to cause a blue skin, more more accurately is gray skin. This problem can be prevented, which I solved over a decade ago, which required that a couple of drops of hydrogen peroxide is added to a liter of colloidal silver. The peroxide, reacts with the FREE silver ions to form Silver Oxide. When I first add this, I get a cloudly solution, and after three days, this cloudy solution becomes a clear white transparent water. However, an unreacted Ag or Silver in a solution will show itself is a faint yellow transparent solution. So this ia an easy way to tell. If you add a drop of H2O2 into this it becomes cloudy. However, if the solution is Silver oxide, it won't become cloudy as there is no longer any free silver ions. When they are no longer free, it won't react with the body's sulfur to form silver oxide. Hence, if a hydrogen peroxide, at least, is added to the colloidal silver you buy, the silver is no longer free, and the condition of blue skin or gray skin or agyria is prevented. However, there is ANOTHER way, that DOES NOT REQUIRE you to wait for three days to fully digest the free Silver. When I make a batch of colloidal silver, using the silver wire or silver rods as an electrode using any D.C. adapter, the BEGINNING solution is distilled water with a 0.5% H2O2 concentration, which is 1/2 percent H2O2 concentration, or approximate amount such as one tablespoon (plastic spoons!) of 3% H2O2 in a 1 or 1.5 liter of colloidal silver is generally sufficient, to prevent any free metal silver form occuring. It should be noted that a silver oxide may have a better antibacterial properties and less staining problems then the use of pure silver. So in practice, the use of COLLOIDAL SILVER OXIDE, is the one I actually use and relatively problem free. For example, if a free silver has too much charges, I have noted that constipation occurs if taken too much of colloidal silver with FREE SILVER, but this doesn't happen (within reason such as NOT DRINKING liters of it!) if a COLLOIDAL silver oxide is prepared. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS with H2O2 inventor found?
I came across this at the Earth Clinic site and thought it might be of interest. - Steve N http://www.earthclinic.com/Supplements/colloidal_silver_questions.html Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Agyria is a common problem with using a straight batch of colloidal silver, often the skin is not really blue, it is closer to gray color. The problem occurs when a free silver ions react with the sulfur in your body to from AgS, or silver sulfide. Most colloidal silver produced are actually either a nonreactive Ag or a reactive Ag with a charge, then it reacts with the body's available sulfur to cause a blue skin, more more accurately is gray skin. This problem can be prevented, which I solved over a decade ago, which required that a couple of drops of hydrogen peroxide is added to a liter of colloidal silver. The peroxide, reacts with the FREE silver ions to form Silver Oxide. When I first add this, I get a cloudly solution, and after three days, this cloudy solution becomes a clear white transparent water. However, an unreacted Ag or Silver in a solution will show itself is a faint yellow transparent solution. So this ia an easy way to tell. If you add a drop of H2O2 into this it becomes cloudy. However, if the solution is Silver oxide, it won't become cloudy as there is no longer any free silver ions. When they are no longer free, it won't react with the body's sulfur to form silver oxide. Hence, if a hydrogen peroxide, at least, is added to the colloidal silver you buy, the silver is no longer free, and the condition of blue skin or gray skin or agyria is prevented. However, there is ANOTHER way, that DOES NOT REQUIRE you to wait for three days to fully digest the free Silver. When I make a batch of colloidal silver, using the silver wire or silver rods as an electrode using any D.C. adapter, the BEGINNING solution is distilled water with a 0.5% H2O2 concentration, which is 1/2 percent H2O2 concentration, or approximate amount such as one tablespoon (plastic spoons!) of 3% H2O2 in a 1 or 1.5 liter of colloidal silver is generally sufficient, to prevent any free metal silver form occuring. It should be noted that a silver oxide may have a better antibacterial properties and less staining problems then the use of pure silver. So in practice, the use of COLLOIDAL SILVER OXIDE, is the one I actually use and relatively problem free. For example, if a free silver has too much charges, I have noted that constipation occurs if taken too much of colloidal silver with FREE SILVER, but this doesn't happen (within reason such as NOT DRINKING liters of it!) if a COLLOIDAL silver oxide is prepared. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2O2 Questions
At 10:48 AM 5/13/2010 -0700, you wrote: Anyone, I have been reading that adding a small amount of 3% drugstore peroxide to CS will reduce the particle size greatly and increase the benefits of the CS. 1. How much peroxide to how much CS? ## About 6 drops @ 3% per quart 2. What evidence is there that the particle size is reduced? http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html ..Of course, if one of the products is a 2 atom silver molecule, there's no microscope that can see one and a meter won't detect it either...nor do I think a red laser will show it as TE being too small for visible wavelengths of light. A UV laser might pick it up. ..a complicated time dependent affair with a few more logical steps to be made as to what combinations of events actually causes the observed effects. [possible gas emulsion as a factor in TE not included below] http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#HP How does H2O2 affect EIS When H2O2 is added to EIS (one or two drops per glass of EIS), it will be noted that there is an immediate clearing effect. The Tyndall (what you see if you shine a laser pointer though the liquid) will become very faint as well. If the ppm of the EIS is sufficiently high (25 to 30 ppm) a white cloudy precipitate may form as well. There are a number of reactions that occur. H2O2 is normally thought of as an oxidizer, but it can act as a reducer as well. Also silver is considered a catalyst for H2O2, but in actuality gets directly involved in the reactions. The H2O2 reacts with the silver particles, producing ionic silver, a combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide. This makes the large particles disappear, reducing the tyndall. However H2O2 also reacts with the silver oxide and silver hydroxide producing a 2 atom colloid of silver plus oxygen (and water in the case of silver hydroxide). Over time this 2 atom colloidal particle can end up being converted back to silver oxide and silver hydroxide, and so forth. The final result is a mixture of ionic silver (hydroxide and oxide) and very small colloidal particles. Thus if you add H2O2 to freshly made EIS, you can sometimes see the oxygen bubble off, and the tyndall may change significantly. But more importantly, the particulate portion of the EIS will go from being medium or large particles to many more very small particles, and the particle content will increase from a typical 5-15% to around 30-50%. If you have a strong tyndall from large particles, it will decrease, and if you have a weak or no tyndall it will increase with the formation of the 2 atom particles. This enhances absorption, as well as effectiveness. Note that it is recommended to let the EIS sit for 5 or more minutes after adding the H2O2 to let it stabilize. Also some experts recommend letting EIS age for 2 or more days before adding the H2O2, and experiments by me indicate a more consistant effect if this is done. For some images of the effect H2O2 has on silver particles see http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.htmlHydrogen Peroxide and Colloidal Silver Micrographs 3. What evidence is there that it is more effective or beneficial? ## All a matter of opinion when MOST of the Silver is still in the form of ionscan't. get smaller than that. Ode Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2O2 Questions
When I added some H202 to my slightly yellow CS, it went sludge green! I kept on adding but it went sort of silvery with lots of bubbles, but never came clear. dee On 14 May 2010, at 11:38, Ode Coyote wrote: At 10:48 AM 5/13/2010 -0700, you wrote: Anyone, I have been reading that adding a small amount of 3% drugstore peroxide to CS will reduce the particle size greatly and increase the benefits of the CS. 1. How much peroxide to how much CS? ## About 6 drops @ 3% per quart 2. What evidence is there that the particle size is reduced? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS and H2O2 Questions
Anyone, I have been reading that adding a small amount of 3% drugstore peroxide to CS will reduce the particle size greatly and increase the benefits of the CS. 1. How much peroxide to how much CS? 2. What evidence is there that the particle size is reduced? 3. What evidence is there that it is more effective or beneficial? Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dick
Re: CSCS and H2O2 Questions
Dick Rochon wrote: Anyone, I have been reading that adding a small amount of 3% drugstore peroxide to CS will reduce the particle size greatly and increase the benefits of the CS. 1. How much peroxide to how much CS? Typically a few drops for a glass of water, 1/2 teaspoon per gallon, not critical. 2. What evidence is there that the particle size is reduced? The change from a strong Tyndall to a weak Tyndall without an increase in the ionic content. Also the chemistry dictates that it should form 2 atom colloidal particles. 3. What evidence is there that it is more effective or beneficial? People's reports here to that effect. Marshall Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2O2 Questions
I have done this recently Dick, because I had a batch of CS go pale yellow. The result was after putting in a few drops of homemade 3% (35% H202 plus distilled water) and it turned a murky green. I then kept adding drops until I got a silvery grey colour which had loads of air bubbles in. The ppm only then measured 3ppm. It worked much better using just two drops of the 35% when this happened another time. dee On 13 May 2010, at 18:48, Dick Rochon wrote: Anyone, I have been reading that adding a small amount of 3% drugstore peroxide to CS will reduce the particle size greatly and increase the benefits of the CS. 1. How much peroxide to how much CS? 2. What evidence is there that the particle size is reduced? 3. What evidence is there that it is more effective or beneficial? Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CScs and h2o2
I did inhale through the mouth, NOT through the nose. Mr. Munro's instructions are very explicit on this. Sorry I forgot to mention this before. pj
Re: CSCS and H2O2
At 10:55 AM 11/7/2007 -0600, you wrote: Wow- that is one cool picture. Do you add h2o2 to every batch? I only add it when it is turning color. Maybe I could add it everytime. ## I do whatever occurs to me at the time. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2O2
I find that around 6 drops of 3% to the quart added at least 2 or 3 days after the batch is done, does the job. It can take several hours, even days, to complete that job. Add a drop to a sample. If it shows a fast reaction [white or brown murky], wait longer. Micrographs thanks to Nancy Delese [This is what mostly ionic silver actually looks like under a very strong microscope, not that dark field of specks that a TEM photo showswhich is 97% oxidized ions, not the particles, at all ] http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html ode At 09:54 PM 11/6/2007 +0100, you wrote: So would you say that EIS with H2O2 added is safe to use as you would use EIS with nothing added? If so, how much H2O2 should be added and when should it be added? Thank you. Ian Ode wrote: EIS [CS] is a dynamic substance that changes. It's different when fresh than after it's been around for several hours. Hydrogen Peroxide is a dynamic catalyst of silver as well as a reactant. What it does, is different over time depending on when it's used and how much is left over, for how long. There are several forms of silver oxide [s], some are destroyed by peroxide and some are made by it. If you place an oxide blackened electrode in peroxide, it will clean up almost instantly, but if you leave it there, it will turn black again. If you put silver in pure peroxide, it will explode into steam at a rate relative to the surface area of the silver. [Peroxide rocketry] Ode At 01:02 PM 11/5/2007 -0500, you wrote: Ian Davies wrote: Hello, I have read in recent posts about yellow coloured CS that adding a few drops of H2O2 will take away the yellow colour because it is separating the particles which have joined together No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: 11/6/2007 8:05 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2O2
Wow- that is one cool picture. Do you add h2o2 to every batch? I only add it when it is turning color. Maybe I could add it everytime. On Nov 7, 2007, at 6:17 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: I find that around 6 drops of 3% to the quart added at least 2 or 3 days after the batch is done, does the job. It can take several hours, even days, to complete that job. Add a drop to a sample. If it shows a fast reaction [white or brown murky], wait longer. Micrographs thanks to Nancy Delese [This is what mostly ionic silver actually looks like under a very strong microscope, not that dark field of specks that a TEM photo showswhich is 97% oxidized ions, not the particles, at all ] http://silverpuppy.com/csh2o2.html ode At 09:54 PM 11/6/2007 +0100, you wrote: So would you say that EIS with H2O2 added is safe to use as you would use EIS with nothing added? If so, how much H2O2 should be added and when should it be added? Thank you. Ian -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS and H2O2
So would you say that EIS with H2O2 added is safe to use as you would use EIS with nothing added? If so, how much H2O2 should be added and when should it be added? Thank you. Ian Ode wrote: EIS [CS] is a dynamic substance that changes. It's different when fresh than after it's been around for several hours. Hydrogen Peroxide is a dynamic catalyst of silver as well as a reactant. What it does, is different over time depending on when it's used and how much is left over, for how long. There are several forms of silver oxide [s], some are destroyed by peroxide and some are made by it. If you place an oxide blackened electrode in peroxide, it will clean up almost instantly, but if you leave it there, it will turn black again. If you put silver in pure peroxide, it will explode into steam at a rate relative to the surface area of the silver. [Peroxide rocketry] Ode At 01:02 PM 11/5/2007 -0500, you wrote: Ian Davies wrote: Hello, I have read in recent posts about yellow coloured CS that adding a few drops of H2O2 will take away the yellow colour because it is separating the particles which have joined together
Re: CSCS and H2O2
Ian Davies wrote: So would you say that EIS with H2O2 added is safe to use as you would use EIS with nothing added? If so, how much H2O2 should be added and when should it be added? I use couple of drops for a 4 oz glass, 1/2 teaspoon for a gallon, and 1/2 cup for 55 gallon drum. Marshall Thank you. Ian Ode wrote: EIS [CS] is a dynamic substance that changes. It's different when fresh than after it's been around for several hours. Hydrogen Peroxide is a dynamic catalyst of silver as well as a reactant. What it does, is different over time depending on when it's used and how much is left over, for how long. There are several forms of silver oxide [s], some are destroyed by peroxide and some are made by it. If you place an oxide blackened electrode in peroxide, it will clean up almost instantly, but if you leave it there, it will turn black again. If you put silver in pure peroxide, it will explode into steam at a rate relative to the surface area of the silver. [Peroxide rocketry] Ode At 01:02 PM 11/5/2007 -0500, you wrote: Ian Davies wrote: Hello, I have read in recent posts about yellow coloured CS that adding a few drops of H2O2 will take away the yellow colour because it is separating the particles which have joined together -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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but only if the CS is very fresh. In day or 2 old CS, the HP does nothing noticeable unless it's yellow. In that case, what is the conductivity? After two days, is it still 20 uS, 5 uS, or somthing else? Does the conductivity not drop at all when H2O2 is added? ## The conductivity drops without adding HP as well, but not nearly as much and it takes 24 hrs or so. If I remember right, conductivity doesn't change significantly upon adding HP after that..it might go up a little if the HP is conductive. [I just don't remember what happens exactly but it's apparently not an eye opening gee whiz change or I'd remember it] If it's yellow, it goes clear. If yellow CS is left in a clear container for a long time, the container turns yellow and the CS goes clear. Once again, the conductivity does not change? ## Again, I don't recall. If it were a big difference, I would, I should think. I 'think' I remember noting that in both cases, the conductivity rose just a 'touch' and I attributed that to the addition of the HPs conductivity. I haven't measured that in years. If all the HP is doing is splitting bigguns into littleuns, I wouldn't expect conductivity to change. If the particles are already littluns, the HP shouldn't change them visably. That's what appeared to be happening, so I just let it go at that. Adding HP to freshly made EIS is something much more recent. When someone did it just a few months ago and wondered what that explosion of activity was, I had no clue what she was talking about. Huh? What explosion? OH! THAT explosion! WOW! [That might change everything] Ode Marshall HP instantly removes that yellow coating. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005
Re: CSCS and H2O2
To quantify that 'conductivity' drop a bit...20 uS goes to about 6 uS almost instantly with the addition of a very tiny [less than a drip] amount of 3% H2O2 in a quart...but only if the CS is very fresh. In day or 2 old CS, the HP does nothing noticeable unless it's yellow. If it's yellow, it goes clear. If yellow CS is left in a clear container for a long time, the container turns yellow and the CS goes clear. HP instantly removes that yellow coating. Ode At 10:20 AM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: Hmm, if the ppms drop like a stone at the same time that the coudiness forms, then there may be something else at work here. Maybe the H2O2 converts the silver hydroxide into silver oxide faster than it can convert back, and that drops the solubility from 26 or so ppm to about 13 ppm since we will only have silver oxide and not both silver oxide and silver hydroxide.. Then if left until the H2O2 dissipates, some of the silver oxide will convert back to silver hydroxide allowing it to all go back into solution again. Marshall Ernie Patai wrote: Yes Kent, same experience. The cloudiness varies I think according to how high the ppm is, from my experience anyway. It will dissipate in a few day to a week; The ppm's drop like a stone almost right after adding the H2O2. This is normal from what Ode tells Doesn't effect the concentration of potency again if I'm not mistaken this. . Ernie -Original Message- From: kent [mailto:ke...@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS and H2O2 Hi all, I've recently mixed my CS with H2O2. I added three drops of 3% H2O2 and it became cloudy and would not clear up. Does anyone else have the same experience and is it still as potent, as it would be if it were clear. Kent -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005
Re: CSCS and H2O2
Ode Coyote wrote: To quantify that 'conductivity' drop a bit...20 uS goes to about 6 uS almost instantly with the addition of a very tiny [less than a drip] amount of 3% H2O2 in a quart... Lets see. If the initial EIS was 10% colloidal and it dropped the conductivity by a factor of 3.33, or 1/3, that would mean that the final colloid is 30% ionic and 70% colloidal. This is somewhat higher than I had estimated it earlier as 50% and 50%. But I can think of no other explaination. but only if the CS is very fresh. In day or 2 old CS, the HP does nothing noticeable unless it's yellow. In that case, what is the conductivity? After two days, is it still 20 uS, 5 uS, or somthing else? Does the conductivity not drop at all when H2O2 is added? If it's yellow, it goes clear. If yellow CS is left in a clear container for a long time, the container turns yellow and the CS goes clear. Once again, the conductivity does not change? Marshall HP instantly removes that yellow coating. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2O2
You added it too soon. Wait a day. Adding a little that soon will make it white/cloudy. a little more..brown/cloudy even more...clear again. Adding H2O2 that soon might be beneficial..maybe not. But it does prove beyond doubt that fresh EIS [CS] is different than that which a day or so old. I personally 'think' it works better for certain things when fresh. Ode At 03:40 PM 4/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: Hi all, I've recently mixed my CS with H2O2. I added three drops of 3% H2O2 and it became cloudy and would not clear up. Does anyone else have the same experience and is it still as potent, as it would be if it were clear. Kent -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005
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The conductivity drops like a rock...PPM doesn't change. Meters read conductivity, not PPM. The two aren't the same thing. They can be similar. The 'whens, whats and hows' of similarities are something that no one wants to talk about. It's not really all that hard to get it close, but it does add to complexities a bit. Ode At 08:46 PM 4/27/2005 -0400, you wrote: Yes Kent, same experience. The cloudiness varies I think according to how high the ppm is, from my experience anyway. It will dissipate in a few day to a week; The ppm's drop like a stone almost right after adding the H2O2. This is normal from what Ode tells Doesn't effect the concentration of potency again if I'm not mistaken this. . Ernie -Original Message- From: kent [mailto:ke...@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS and H2O2 Hi all, I've recently mixed my CS with H2O2. I added three drops of 3% H2O2 and it became cloudy and would not clear up. Does anyone else have the same experience and is it still as potent, as it would be if it were clear. Kent -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005
Re: CSCS and H2O2
Hmm, if the ppms drop like a stone at the same time that the coudiness forms, then there may be something else at work here. Maybe the H2O2 converts the silver hydroxide into silver oxide faster than it can convert back, and that drops the solubility from 26 or so ppm to about 13 ppm since we will only have silver oxide and not both silver oxide and silver hydroxide.. Then if left until the H2O2 dissipates, some of the silver oxide will convert back to silver hydroxide allowing it to all go back into solution again. Marshall Ernie Patai wrote: Yes Kent, same experience. The cloudiness varies I think according to how high the ppm is, from my experience anyway. It will dissipate in a few day to a week; The ppm's drop like a stone almost right after adding the H2O2. This is normal from what Ode tells Doesn't effect the concentration of potency again if I'm not mistaken this. . Ernie -Original Message- From: kent [mailto:ke...@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS and H2O2 Hi all, I've recently mixed my CS with H2O2. I added three drops of 3% H2O2 and it became cloudy and would not clear up. Does anyone else have the same experience and is it still as potent, as it would be if it were clear. Kent -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I don't coment too much (lack of time) but today I see someone where I was many years ago, so I will add my 2 cents for what its worth. 3 drops into how much CS ?...If it is more than 8 OZ that is not enough to do much...It seems to be as effective or even more with H2O2, 3 % H2O2 is really week stuff, some times I use 7% food grade H2O2 in a gallon, and I use about 10 drops, and it clears it up pretty nice and leaves no taste. The color can very for several different reasons. Not too much to worry about. Tel Tofflemire ---Original Message--- From: kent Date: 04/27/05 15:40:41 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS and H2O2 Hi all, I've recently mixed my CS with H2O2. I added three drops of 3% H2O2 and it became cloudy and would not clear up. Does anyone else have the same experience and is it still as potent, as it would be if it were clear. Kent -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
RE: CSCS and H2O2
Thanks for the quick response everyone. Marshall, It reads 20 my Hanna tester. I use distilled water with the measurement of 1.8 it was slightly yellow after the process. I used a machine I've purchased from wish granted. I believe it is a colloid master 777. It is a constant current machine that is about all I know about it. The H2O2 does not form any black particles just turns colloidal Silver cloudy. I have not let it sit or added any more water hard for me to do as I require assistance. I will try it tonight. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and H2O2 Do you have any idea what the ppm of the CS was? I believe it is likely that it was a fairly high concentration, so that when the H2O2 broke down the colloidal particles, the solubility limit of silver hydroxide and silver oxide was exceeded, causing precipitation of a silver oxide suspension. If you dilute it with distilled water, does it clear up? If so, then I believe this explaination would be correct. If not then it might mean that silver peroxide was made, although I am not sure why it would be made in your case, and not for others. Any additional information may help me figure out exactly what is happening, the original ppm of the CS, the color, the Tyndall, how it was made and so forth. Does it clear up if you dilute it, does it not form if you dilute it before adding the H2O2? Marshall kent wrote: Hi all, I've recently mixed my CS with H2O2. I added three drops of 3% H2O2 and it became cloudy and would not clear up. Does anyone else have the same experience and is it still as potent, as it would be if it were clear. Kent -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS and H2O2
Hi all, I've recently mixed my CS with H2O2. I added three drops of 3% H2O2 and it became cloudy and would not clear up. Does anyone else have the same experience and is it still as potent, as it would be if it were clear. Kent -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2O2
Do you have any idea what the ppm of the CS was? I believe it is likely that it was a fairly high concentration, so that when the H2O2 broke down the colloidal particles, the solubility limit of silver hydroxide and silver oxide was exceeded, causing precipitation of a silver oxide suspension. If you dilute it with distilled water, does it clear up? If so, then I believe this explaination would be correct. If not then it might mean that silver peroxide was made, although I am not sure why it would be made in your case, and not for others. Any additional information may help me figure out exactly what is happening, the original ppm of the CS, the color, the Tyndall, how it was made and so forth. Does it clear up if you dilute it, does it not form if you dilute it before adding the H2O2? Marshall kent wrote: Hi all, I've recently mixed my CS with H2O2. I added three drops of 3% H2O2 and it became cloudy and would not clear up. Does anyone else have the same experience and is it still as potent, as it would be if it were clear. Kent -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS and H2O2
Yes Kent, same experience. The cloudiness varies I think according to how high the ppm is, from my experience anyway. It will dissipate in a few day to a week; The ppm's drop like a stone almost right after adding the H2O2. This is normal from what Ode tells Doesn't effect the concentration of potency again if I'm not mistaken this. . Ernie -Original Message- From: kent [mailto:ke...@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS and H2O2 Hi all, I've recently mixed my CS with H2O2. I added three drops of 3% H2O2 and it became cloudy and would not clear up. Does anyone else have the same experience and is it still as potent, as it would be if it were clear. Kent -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2O2
A clue may lie in the way that H2O2 neutralizes chlorinated water. Ode At 10:23 AM 8/27/2004 -0400, you wrote: 3 or 4 days ago I had mixed up 3 batches of EIS and Salt. The first I added H2O2 to then NaCl, the second NaCl then H2O2 the the third NaCl with no H2O2 at all. After a couple of minutes they all looked alike (which is odd, before the one that had H2O2 add first was less turbulent), so I figured the end result must have been the same for all 3, AgCl. Well, I set them aside and just checked them this morning. The tyndell is still strong on the first two, but much weaker (about like the original EIS) on the third one. Putting them under a bright light, the first two are turbulent (slightly milky) and unchanged, and the 3rd one is clear, and checking the bottoms of the glasses, the AgCl only one has totally precipitated out, but the other two are still totally in suspension. I have no idea what this means! What could the two with H2O2 in them be if not AgCl? If AgCl, why are they still in suspension? It seems the more we experiment, the more confusing it becomes. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2O2
3 or 4 days ago I had mixed up 3 batches of EIS and Salt. The first I added H2O2 to then NaCl, the second NaCl then H2O2 the the third NaCl with no H2O2 at all. After a couple of minutes they all looked alike (which is odd, before the one that had H2O2 add first was less turbulent), so I figured the end result must have been the same for all 3, AgCl. Well, I set them aside and just checked them this morning. The tyndell is still strong on the first two, but much weaker (about like the original EIS) on the third one. Putting them under a bright light, the first two are turbulent (slightly milky) and unchanged, and the 3rd one is clear, and checking the bottoms of the glasses, the AgCl only one has totally precipitated out, but the other two are still totally in suspension. I have no idea what this means! What could the two with H2O2 in them be if not AgCl? If AgCl, why are they still in suspension? It seems the more we experiment, the more confusing it becomes. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2O2
Hi Marshall: On three occasions, I utilized a low PPM highly ionic EIS made with the old silverpuppy generator. I added a few drops of 35% h2o2 into about four ounces of CS. I checked the tyndall before and after; a pronounced tyndall effect was present after adding the H2O2. After one to three days, no tyndall effect was present. No fall-out was present in the glass container I used for the experiments. The taste of the sol indicated that it was highly ionic. H2O2 PH testing strips indicated that there was still between 25-50 PPM ( had to estimate with the testing strips ) H2O2 in solution. One little tiny silver sparkly or minute silver flake seems to throw that all off. I haven't tried any h2o2 experiments with Ken's newer generator, but I assume it would be similiar to Trem's units. There seems to be a higher particulate content, and the reaction with the particles can go on for days, likely even weeks with enough h2o2. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: Re: CSCS and H2O2 Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Marsall: I've been following everyone's analysis of the h2o2 silver issue with interest. There appears to be a great problem when trying to theoretically analyze the chemical equation associated with the silver h2o2 reactions. To sum the problem up, there are different reactions that occur depending on the attributes of the silver product used. In other words, when I make CS using the old coyote silver generator, I get a markedly different end product than if I use silver made with Trem's SG7. Awhile back, I got into a lengthly discussion with an individual involved in the water purification industry. His contemporaries felt that it was absolutely ludicrous to even consider that h2o2 caused an atomization/ionization of silver particles. They use hydrogen peroxide to reclaim silver from waste waters. The hydrogen peroxide causes...all of the silver... to fall out of suspension ( become insoluable ). I think he may be looking at elephants, and we are looking at gnats. Since silver oxide only has a solubility of 13 pm, if you have any significant silver content, most of it will fall out. But we typically work with 10 or less ppm, so in that case we do not see fall out (although I certainly did when I tested the H2O2 on metallic silver). And if there is virtually any chlorine in the mix, most of that will end up becoming silver chloride and falling out as well. If there is any developer in the mix, then the AgO will plate out as silver particles and precipitate as well. Developer can be tannen, caffine, and loads of other possibilities, including sunlight. Considering all of my practical experience with the H2O2 silver combination, this obviously through me for a loop. An associate on another list took a sample of CS, and then CS with H2O2 added ( same batch ) down to a local water processing plant. A friend took an SEM ( I believe ) of the before and after, and the resulting images strongly indicated that the H2O2 was reducing the silver agglomerates. The results, at any rate, were significant enough to convince the technical staff that the H2O2 was indeed resulting in a reaction producing smaller silver particles. As it eats away on the particles they will reduce in size, until at some point they will be gone completely. My only guess at the moment, is that the colloidal portion of an IES product is acting as a catalyst to enduce a reaction that otherwise would not happen. Is it the kenetic force ( or the zeta potential ) that keeps the silver in suspension? I dropped a piece of silver wire into H2O2 and it bubbled, then the water turned cloudy with AgO after a few hours. There was no colloidal part initially at all. One thing I do know: If one utilizes a high quality EIS, about 5 PPM, with a particulate content of about 5%, the H2O2 will ionize all the silver, and the H2O2 will stabilize in solution. I utilized peroxide testing strips to follow the reactions. Can you tell me a little more on this? If one creates an EIS with larger agglomerates, small flakes, etc., it is very easy to see the non-soluble silver settle out on the bottom of the container. Also, taking what certainly appears to be a stable H2O2 silver combination, and adding it to drinking water can also result in the silver falling out of suspension within a few days. Aside from that, I can say that more than one life has been saved by the silver h2o2 combination utilized to treat out of control mouth infections. I assisted one individual for a year. It took that long for the individual to save up the money to have the root teeth problems taken care of. My favorite immediate use combination? ... is to brew a very strong yellow batch of CS
Re: CSCS and H2O2
Re: CSCS and H2O2 From: Jason Eaton Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:49:44 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72909.html Hi Marshall: On three occasions, I utilized a low PPM highly ionic EIS made with the old silverpuppy generator. I added a few drops of 35% h2o2 into about four ounces of CS. I checked the tyndall before and after; a pronounced tyndall effect was present after adding the H2O2. After one to three days, no tyndall effect was present. No fall-out was present in the glass container I used for the experiments. The taste of the sol indicated that it was highly ionic. H2O2 PH testing strips indicated that there was still between 25-50 PPM ( had to estimate with the testing strips ) H2O2 in solution. One little tiny silver sparkly or minute silver flake seems to throw that all off. I haven't tried any h2o2 experiments with Ken's newer generator, but I assume it would be similiar to Trem's units. There seems to be a higher particulate content, and the reaction with the particles can go on for days, likely even weeks with enough h2o2. Best Regards, Jason Hi Jason, Thank you for your excellent and detailed report. I have not calculated your concentration of H2O2, but a quick estimate is in the 50ppm ballpark. This is very close to the 40 ppm I use and seems to agree with the concentration in other user's posts. I also sometimes notice a haziness in the cs after adding the H2O2, but not always. Similarly, the salt test seems to have strange reaction on some occasions, and other times it gives a clear, normal dispersion with or without H2O2. The reactions you describe are difficult to model mathematically, but I suspect part of the problem may be trace contaminants in the dw, perhaps chlorine, or trace metals such as calcium, sodium, magnesium, phosphorous, etc. These may cause different reactions with the H2O2 and byproducts. Contamination is a serious problem with H2O2, and caused much grief for the Germans during WWII with their Me-263 rocket interceptor. More than one pilot died horribly when the H2O2 tank behind them leaked causing an explosion. Contamination, leaks and H2O2 explosions are suspected in the loss of the British submarine HMS Sidon and the Russian submarine Kursk: http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/08/08/kursk/ I hasten to add these programs used highly-concentrated H2O2 - well above the 35% food grade or 3% pharmaceutical grade stuff we encounter. Some of the different reactions we see may also be due to the stabilizers used in different grades of H2O2. Each application needs a different stabilizer, so it may be difficult to compare results with 35% food grade vs the 3% Walmart stuff. It might be valuable to try to understand hydrogen peroxide from a chemistry viewpoint. Here is a very brief summary of Hydrogen and Oxygen. Normally, water is composed of one oxygen ion combined with two hydrogen ions. The two hydrogen ions push each other apart to form an angle of 104 degrees, which is what makes the density of water the highest at 4 degrees C, or slightly above the freezing point. This gift from the Gods keeps the oceans from filling with ice from the bottom up and becoming solid ice. Many elements hate to be alone, and strive to make a pair. They are called diatomic, and include hydrogen, oxygen, and many others. Notably, helium is monatomic and is quite happy to exist alone. The diatomic elements (hydrogen, oxygen, etc) take a large amount of energy to separate, and they won't stay separated very long. For example, monatomic oxygen can be formed in a plasma torch and has a useful lifetime of several milliseconds before it recombines. Another place you will find it is in the stratosphere, about 60 km above the surface of the Earth. But not many people go there. The significance of this is hydrogen peroxide is ordinary water with one atom of oxygen stuck on. When we release the extra oxygen, we release a great deal of energy. You can visualize this in ASCII as water looking like HOH. This shows how the two hydrogen ions move to the opposite side of the oxygen ion. Using this method, hydrogen peroxide, H2O2 looks like HOOH. (Some have suggested we try to add a carbon and make hooch, but I don't think that belongs here:) Now, when we add hydrogen peroxide to something, we may get surprising results. In some cases, there may be no reaction whatsoever. In other cases, there may be something that causes a reaction with the H2O2, and we can experience anything from lots of bubbles to a violent explosion that blows the container apart. The problems with trace contaminants is the reason
CSCS and H2O2
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Re: CSCS and H2O2
Hi Marsall: I've been following everyone's analysis of the h2o2 silver issue with interest. There appears to be a great problem when trying to theoretically analyze the chemical equation associated with the silver h2o2 reactions. To sum the problem up, there are different reactions that occur depending on the attributes of the silver product used. In other words, when I make CS using the old coyote silver generator, I get a markedly different end product than if I use silver made with Trem's SG7. Awhile back, I got into a lengthly discussion with an individual involved in the water purification industry. His contemporaries felt that it was absolutely ludicrous to even consider that h2o2 caused an atomization/ionization of silver particles. They use hydrogen peroxide to reclaim silver from waste waters. The hydrogen peroxide causes...all of the silver... to fall out of suspension ( become insoluable ). Considering all of my practical experience with the H2O2 silver combination, this obviously through me for a loop. An associate on another list took a sample of CS, and then CS with H2O2 added ( same batch ) down to a local water processing plant. A friend took an SEM ( I believe ) of the before and after, and the resulting images strongly indicated that the H2O2 was reducing the silver agglomerates. The results, at any rate, were significant enough to convince the technical staff that the H2O2 was indeed resulting in a reaction producing smaller silver particles. My only guess at the moment, is that the colloidal portion of an IES product is acting as a catalyst to enduce a reaction that otherwise would not happen. Is it the kenetic force ( or the zeta potential ) that keeps the silver in suspension? One thing I do know: If one utilizes a high quality EIS, about 5 PPM, with a particulate content of about 5%, the H2O2 will ionize all the silver, and the H2O2 will stabilize in solution. I utilized peroxide testing strips to follow the reactions. If one creates an EIS with larger agglomerates, small flakes, etc., it is very easy to see the non-soluble silver settle out on the bottom of the container. Also, taking what certainly appears to be a stable H2O2 silver combination, and adding it to drinking water can also result in the silver falling out of suspension within a few days. Aside from that, I can say that more than one life has been saved by the silver h2o2 combination utilized to treat out of control mouth infections. I assisted one individual for a year. It took that long for the individual to save up the money to have the root teeth problems taken care of. My favorite immediate use combination? ... is to brew a very strong yellow batch of CS with nearly boiling water, using a current limited generator and water aggitation. I first brew a batch of about 10PPM EIS using the Silver Puppy old model. Then, I switch to a modified version of the Silver Puppy Generator; one that does not have the auto-shut down, and one with a potentiometer wired in ( my thanks to KEN!!! ). I apply a significant amount of heat, keeping the brew just below boiling, and I continually reduce the current flow into the water. If able, I continue this process for about four or five hours. Then, I immediately add 2 to 4 drops of 35% H2o2 to 4 ounces of this brew. The moment the H2o2 hits the EIS, it boils. I wait about two or three minutes, then administer the concoction. This is something one does not want to swallow for at least three to five minutes ( in other words, the silver is held in mouth ). Swallowing the combination too soon will result in the upset stomach commonly associated with oral h2o2 use. This is not necessary, as we're not trying to deliver H2o2 into the stomach. I developed this method when everything else ( including EIS alone ) failed to arrest a deep and life threatening infection in a mouth. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:11 AM Subject: CSCS and H2O2 http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2.html Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 08/10/2004
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a deep and life threatening infection in a mouth. There is no doubt from the messages others have left here that adding H2O2 to CS tends to supercharge it. I am wanting to find out how and why though. It makes no sense that turning a 5% level of particles into ions (such as silver oxide), would increase it's effectivenes by serveral times, since that would only be increasing the ionic portion by about 5%. Something else is at work here. Marshall Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:11 AM Subject: CSCS and H2O2 http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2.html Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 08/10/2004
Re: CSCS and H2O2
This is exactly correct, Nancy - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: CSCS and H2O2 Dear list, I need some clarification. I have been under the impression that if your colloidal silver was yellowish, then one can add a bit of peroxide. Once the color went clear, then the particle size was small enough so that it was no longer a cause for concern for internal use. Did I understand this correctly? Both my husband and I are using it internally so I need to be sure I got this right. Thanks in advance. pj -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
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Color does indicate particle size but not all the particles will be that size. Pale yellow has a few of the larger particles and many many smaller ones. Yellow particles are larger but not necessarily too large. No color is preferable but it all works. If you get violet or reddish..toss it. Ken At 08:56 AM 4/10/2003 -0700, you wrote: Dear list, I need some clarification. I have been under the impression that if your colloidal silver was yellowish, then one can add a bit of peroxide. Once the color went clear, then the particle size was small enough so that it was no longer a cause for concern for internal use. Did I understand this correctly? Both my husband and I are using it internally so I need to be sure I got this right. Thanks in advance. pj Do you Yahoo!? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailsig/*http://tax.yahoo.comYahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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There is not a problem with the particle size of yellow or even gold CS. However, the darker and redder the CS is, the more likely that it is not very stable, and will settle out. That being said, I still have 10 Litres of yellow CS at 22ppm, that was made in 1998. Only add H2O2 if your solution is cloudy and unstable. Ivan -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 11 April 2003 3:56 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS and H2O2 Dear list, I need some clarification. I have been under the impression that if your colloidal silver was yellowish, then one can add a bit of peroxide. Once the color went clear, then the particle size was small enough so that it was no longer a cause for concern for internal use. Did I understand this correctly? Both my husband and I are using it internally so I need to be sure I got this right. Thanks in advance. pj Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS and H2O2
Dear list, I need some clarification. I have been under the impression that if your colloidal silver was yellowish, then one can add a bit of peroxide. Once the color went clear, then the particle size was small enough so that it was no longer a cause for concern for internal use. Did I understand this correctly? Both my husband and I are using it internally so I need to be sure I got this right. Thanks in advance. pj - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
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Water temperatures over about 110 deg F are not recommeded for that reason. Probably excessive Brownian motion causes particle collisions if there are enough of them to collide. About 8 drops of h2o2 will probably clear it up in a day or so. Too much and you'll definitely make faces when you use it. Ken At 11:44 AM 4/7/2003 -0700, you wrote: Dear list members: I accidentally left my Beck silver pulser running too long while making a quart of cs. Lots too long. Quite a gold color. I am now adding peroxide to it to see if I can get a clear color. Question is Will this brew be suitable for internal ingestion even if it does turn clear? Or should I relegate it to the external use only jar? Thanks. pjps I had used boiling distilled water at the beginning of the process. Maybe I should just throw it out? Do you Yahoo!? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailsig/*http://tax.yahoo.comYahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and H2o2
I once used peroxide as a means to raise the initial conductivity of the water when making CS. [aka seeding..sorta] Never again! It made some very nice shiny silver metal flakes suitable for a custom paint job or one of those snow scene paper weights, but not suitable for consumption. ken At 05:14 PM 4/7/2003 -0400, you wrote: very funny your thinking of useing h202 with CS. last night i made CS with h2o2 rather than useing distilled water. i'm not sure of my result. it just appeared to clean one electrode and turn the other electrode a white then a light yellow. and that's pretty much it. if anyone has done this or has knowledge on the subject please share. amazeing how 1 atom extra in h2o (to make h2o2) will cause such a difference. - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS and H2o2 Dear list members: I accidentally left my Beck silver pulser running too long while making a quart of cs. Lots too long. Quite a gold color. I am now adding peroxide to it to see if I can get a clear color. Question is Will this brew be suitable for internal ingestion even if it does turn clear? Or should I relegate it to the external use only jar? Thanks. pjps I had used boiling distilled water at the beginning of the process. Maybe I should just throw it out? Do you Yahoo!? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailsig/*http://tax.yahoo.comYahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScs and h2o2
Thanks, Ken. And you are right, too much peroxide and I do make a face when I use it!! Tastes very metallic, but I guess the particle size is ok so I will use it. Think I will dilute it half anf half with distilled water though. If no one says that is a bad idea, I will do that tomorrow and begin drinking it. Thanks. pj - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
CSCS and H2o2
Dear list members: I accidentally left my Beck silver pulser running too long while making a quart of cs. Lots too long. Quite a gold color. I am now adding peroxide to it to see if I can get a clear color. Question is Will this brew be suitable for internal ingestion even if it does turn clear? Or should I relegate it to the external use only jar? Thanks. pjps I had used boiling distilled water at the beginning of the process. Maybe I should just throw it out? - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
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very funny your thinking of useing h202 with CS. last night i made CS with h2o2 rather than useing distilled water. i'm not sure of my result. it just appeared to clean one electrode and turn the other electrode a white then a light yellow. and that's pretty much it. if anyone has done this or has knowledge on the subject please share. amazeing how 1 atom extra in h2o (to make h2o2) will cause such a difference. - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS and H2o2 Dear list members: I accidentally left my Beck silver pulser running too long while making a quart of cs. Lots too long. Quite a gold color. I am now adding peroxide to it to see if I can get a clear color. Question is Will this brew be suitable for internal ingestion even if it does turn clear? Or should I relegate it to the external use only jar? Thanks. pjps I had used boiling distilled water at the beginning of the process. Maybe I should just throw it out? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
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Deskinistration? An attempt to go for the annual Darwin award? At 08:29 PM 12/19/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:13:15 -0500, gimpy gi...@swva.net wrote: 1 drop of 70% h2o2 on your skin, repeated twice a day will create a sore, eat the top loyer of skin off. I would not use h2o2 in my eyes with out expert supervision. I have done the drop on the skin thing as a demenstration. 70%h2o2?? On your skin? A demonstration of what? Chuck I once fell through the trap door. They said it was a stage I was going through. (Max Headroom) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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LOL! I mix up a solution of lye and distilled water to make my home-made lye soap. Perhaps that could acquire a Darwin Award much faster. :) - Original Message - From: Malcolm Stebbins s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 3:20 AM Subject: Re: CScs and h2o2 Deskinistration? An attempt to go for the annual Darwin award? At 08:29 PM 12/19/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:13:15 -0500, gimpy gi...@swva.net wrote: 1 drop of 70% h2o2 on your skin, repeated twice a day will create a sore, eat the top loyer of skin off. I would not use h2o2 in my eyes with out expert supervision. I have done the drop on the skin thing as a demenstration. 70%h2o2?? On your skin? A demonstration of what? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yeah, Right. I use battery acid, undiluted and heated up to boiling. Three times a day. The holes grow back in minutes. No Problem. By the way where do you get 70% H2O2. Cape Canaveral? At 08:29 PM 12/19/02 -0500, you wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:13:15 -0500, gimpy gi...@swva.net wrote: 1 drop of 70% h2o2 on your skin, repeated twice a day will create a sore, eat the top loyer of skin off. I would not use h2o2 in my eyes with out expert supervision. I have done the drop on the skin thing as a demenstration. 70%h2o2?? On your skin? A demonstration of what? Chuck I once fell through the trap door. They said it was a stage I was going through. (Max Headroom) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScs and h2o2
Since the cs with the h2o2 did taste much more metallic than the cs without it, the thinking was that maybe it would be better. But probably since the only way to know if all the h2o2 was used up in the reaction is if it bubbles in the eye, then that is not the way to go!! I was just checking to see if anyone knew for sure. pj - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
CScs and h2o2
List, Does anyone know if is ok to use cs with h2o2 in it with a bit of saline for eyedrops? - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
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Just my 2 cents. I would not put anything in my eyes that is not sterile. 1 drop of 70% h2o2 on your skin, repeated twice a day will create a sore, eat the top loyer of skin off. I would not use h2o2 in my eyes with out expert supervision. I have done the drop on the skin thing as a demenstration. Hopefully some one with more knowledge will also respond. HTH, gimpy On Thursday 19 December 2002 01:16 pm, Shirley Reed wrote: List, Does anyone know if is ok to use cs with h2o2 in it with a bit of saline for eyedrops? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScs and h2o2
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:13:15 -0500, gimpy gi...@swva.net wrote: 1 drop of 70% h2o2 on your skin, repeated twice a day will create a sore, eat the top loyer of skin off. I would not use h2o2 in my eyes with out expert supervision. I have done the drop on the skin thing as a demenstration. 70%h2o2?? On your skin? A demonstration of what? Chuck I once fell through the trap door. They said it was a stage I was going through. (Max Headroom) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScs and h2o2
List, I have been using the h2o2 in my cs and not filtering it and am impressed. It is clear as crystal after putting more h2o2 in and tastes lots more bitter so I guess that means more silver ions. And it works as well as or better than before so far as I can tell. One more question. How careful do I have to be about how much h2o2 to add? I don't want to spend days getting it just right. Is it probably ok to just put 2 drops of h2o2 per oz. of cs instead of just one drop? That is what I did. It cleared right up. Is the h2o2 causing the bitter taste, or am I correct in thinking it is the increase in ionic silver? Thanks. pj - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: CScs and h2o2 - ? for the chemists
I realize that it might be not the best mix. But there are naturopaths and other practitioners that are telling people to use stabilized oxygen in CS and I was just wanting to know if this was safe, since people claim that colloidal silver reacts with other elements. Glenda Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:51:31 -0600 From: MARIANO DELISE nancym...@prodigy.net What would be the purpose of ingesting chlorine? People are putting silver and CS into hot tubs and swimming pools to eleminate the use of chlorine completely. Nancy - Original Message - From: Kevin Glenda kg...@shaw.ca Hi to who ever, I would like to ask a question about using stabilized oxygen (not H2O2), but stabilized with chlorine. Is it safe to mix it with CS and take internally? Would the chlorine and silver form any new compounds? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi: Where might one obtain stabilized Oxygen? Ian Roe - Original Message - From: Kevin Glenda kg...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: Re: CScs and h2o2 - ? for the chemists I realize that it might be not the best mix. But there are naturopaths and other practitioners that are telling people to use stabilized oxygen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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What would be the purpose of ingesting chlorine? People are putting silve and CS into hot tubs and swimming pools to eleminate the use of chlorine completely. Nancy - Original Message - From: Kevin Glenda kg...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: CScs and h2o2 Hi to who ever, I would like to ask a question about using stabilized oxygen (not H2O2), but stabilized with chlorine. Is it safe to mix it with CS and take internally? Would the chlorine and silver form any new compounds? - Original Message - From: MARIANO DELISE nancym...@prodigy.net I've begun putting the H202 in the CS the night before I use it, by morning it is clear. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScs and h2o2
I have added more h2o2 to the milky cs and, voila, it did clear right up. Thanks. And I think not filtering it is also a good idea too. pj __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi to who ever, I would like to ask a question about using stabilized oxygen (not H2O2), but stabilized with chlorine. Is it safe to mix it with CS and take internally? Would the chlorine and silver form any new compounds? - Original Message - From: MARIANO DELISE nancym...@prodigy.net I've begun putting the H202 in the CS the night before I use it, by morning it is clear. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScs and h2o2
I am uncertain about using the h2o2 with the cs. My cs seems quite good. It is usually only slightly yellow and I filter it through unbleached coffee filters. But it seems that a drop of h2o2 per 8 oz. of cs will, especially after 24 hours, greatly increase the amount of ionic silver in the solution. So in my most recent batch, I added the h2o2 and now have a somewhat milky looking preparation. I thought I had been watching closely for what this means, but if someone has posted an explanation, I have somehow missed it. Or, worse, didn't even recognize the answer. haha So is someone knowledgeable enough to tell me what's going on? In the simplest terms possible please. pj __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi..from what I've learned.if it doesn't turn clear after adding H202...if you add more it always turns clear...the cloudiness in my experience means that there wasn't enough to do the reaction...Robb - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: CScs and h2o2 I am uncertain about using the h2o2 with the cs. My cs seems quite good. It is usually only slightly yellow and I filter it through unbleached coffee filters. But it seems that a drop of h2o2 per 8 oz. of cs will, especially after 24 hours, greatly increase the amount of ionic silver in the solution. So in my most recent batch, I added the h2o2 and now have a somewhat milky looking preparation. I thought I had been watching closely for what this means, but if someone has posted an explanation, I have somehow missed it. Or, worse, didn't even recognize the answer. haha So is someone knowledgeable enough to tell me what's going on? In the simplest terms possible please. pj __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I've begun putting the H202 in the CS the night before I use it, by morning it is clear. - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: Re: CScs and h2o2 Hi..from what I've learned.if it doesn't turn clear after adding H202...if you add more it always turns clear...the cloudiness in my experience means that there wasn't enough to do the reaction...Robb - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: CScs and h2o2 I am uncertain about using the h2o2 with the cs. My cs seems quite good. It is usually only slightly yellow and I filter it through unbleached coffee filters. But it seems that a drop of h2o2 per 8 oz. of cs will, especially after 24 hours, greatly increase the amount of ionic silver in the solution. So in my most recent batch, I added the h2o2 and now have a somewhat milky looking preparation. I thought I had been watching closely for what this means, but if someone has posted an explanation, I have somehow missed it. Or, worse, didn't even recognize the answer. haha So is someone knowledgeable enough to tell me what's going on? In the simplest terms possible please. pj __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScs and h2o2
pj, Try the same thing with plain distilled water see if it still turns milky. This will tell you if the H2O2 is reacting with the garbage the comes out of your coffee filter. Filtering is really not needed. Just let your fresh brew sit overnight and the electrode sluffings will settle to the bottom. Then carefully decant the liquid off as you need it. --Steve - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: CScs and h2o2 I am uncertain about using the h2o2 with the cs. My cs seems quite good. It is usually only slightly yellow and I filter it through unbleached coffee filters. But it seems that a drop of h2o2 per 8 oz. of cs will, especially after 24 hours, greatly increase the amount of ionic silver in the solution. So in my most recent batch, I added the h2o2 and now have a somewhat milky looking preparation. I thought I had been watching closely for what this means, but if someone has posted an explanation, I have somehow missed it. Or, worse, didn't even recognize the answer. haha So is someone knowledgeable enough to tell me what's going on? In the simplest terms possible please. pj __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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List, Someone suggested a mixture of cs and peroxide. Does this have to be used right away or will it still be good for days? Is it ok to add a bit of DMSO? Thanks. pj __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScs and h2o2
So if I want to use cs in the ear for ear, tonsil, sinus, tooth, etc. infections then I only want, say, maybe one or two drops of peroxide (3%) to a dropperful of cs?? Does that sound about right? The cs is much better for anything in the head than is the peroxide. At least for us. The peroxide was good, but the cs is incredibly good. pj __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Shirley: Although it may appear confusing at first, you may want to take a look at the program I wrote to determine concentration strengths for colloidal silver and hydrogen peroxide. http://silverdata.20m.com/conversionform2.html In your example, if you take two drops of hydrogen peroxide and add it to a dropper ( say 10 drops contained in the dropper ) then you would have a .5% hydrogen peroxide solution, which is still very potent when considering use in the body. To use the form, load it, and enter 2 in the first box in the upper left hand corner. Change the ounces box ( drop down menu ) to drops. In the top right hand box, you enter the strength of the H2O2. In this case, 3 for 3%. In some cases, it might be 11 or 35. In the right hand box, second one down, you enter the amount of colloidal silver, or distilled water, or whatever the H2O2 is going into. In the example... a dropper.. which we say just for a number is ten total drops. So enter 10. You can ignore the PPM for the colloidal silver ( I had thought I wrote the code for the calculation, but apparently I didn't yet! ). If there is no hydrogen peroxide ALREADY in the colloidal silver, leave the box on the right side, second field down, at zero. Press the calculate button. The page will rewrite itself with your new concentration, letting you know how strong the H2O2 concentration is. there is another variant of this form @ http://silverdata.20m.com/conversionform.html YOU REALLY want to get below .0288% for use in the body, unless you are a brave soul with PLENTY of experience! If you are unfamiliar with hydrogen peroxide use internally, you may want to view: http://silverdata.20m.com/h2o2.html Jason - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: CScs and h2o2 So if I want to use cs in the ear for ear, tonsil, sinus, tooth, etc. infections then I only want, say, maybe one or two drops of peroxide (3%) to a dropperful of cs?? Does that sound about right? The cs is much better for anything in the head than is the peroxide. At least for us. The peroxide was good, but the cs is incredibly good. pj __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Jason, I'm really disappointed they decided to add that page for beginners. They do not give adequate information for anyone to evaluate the health risk. They also fail to insist that anyone taking H2O2 also take antioxidants. Here is a quote from http://stopcancer.com/oxygen.htm Hydroxyl radicals are the most dangerous of all of the free radicals. They are formed when super oxide and hydrogen peroxide react together. They are extremely reactive and will attack any molecule around them. Taken from Antioxidants Made Simple by Dr. Bruce B. Miller Caution: Antioxidants and hydrochlori c acid (HLC) should be taken if the hydrogen peroxide formula is going to be used successfully and without damage to the cells . Please see my other post to Julie giving links to articles on ROS. Take care of yourself. Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike - the they is me. And you are right. Thank you. I certainly shall make an addition addressing the concerns of H2O2 in more detail. However - consider this. Don't you think if organ damage was a real concern, that those people who have been injecting it would severely incapacitated in short order? It amazes me how modern medical science can advocate extreme use of damaging drugs, knowing both the damage being done and the body's ability to heal, and yet underestimate the body's own ability to regulate metabolic reaction of natural substances. The page was an introduction to colloidal silver and H2O2 - not a page on H2O2 therapy in general. But, on thinking about it, I tend to agree with you - there is never any harm in taking the high road. - Original Message - From: Mike Monett add.automat...@sympatico.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Re: CScs and h2o2 Hi Jason, I'm really disappointed they decided to add that page for beginners. They do not give adequate information for anyone to evaluate the health risk. They also fail to insist that anyone taking H2O2 also take antioxidants. Here is a quote from http://stopcancer.com/oxygen.htm Hydroxyl radicals are the most dangerous of all of the free radicals. They are formed when super oxide and hydrogen peroxide react together. They are extremely reactive and will attack any molecule around them. Taken from Antioxidants Made Simple by Dr. Bruce B. Miller Caution: Antioxidants and hydrochlori c acid (HLC) should be taken if the hydrogen peroxide formula is going to be used successfully and without damage to the cells . Please see my other post to Julie giving links to articles on ROS. Take care of yourself. Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Jason, Thank you for the very balanced reply. Actually, I can duplicate the effect of taking cs and H2O2. I simply go for a walk. And I agree, the results are wonderful! I can make more H2O2 by running, and less by simply watching the girls go by. Oops - that may not be a good example. I think the site is very good, and I would ordinarily like to be able to recommend it to others. However, the H2O2 page give me real pause, so I look for other links. The pictures are excellent. Unforunately, they are huge and take a long time to download. It should be possible to process them in LVIEWPRO and cut the size dramatically and also increase the quality. If you do not have LVIEWPRO, please send them to me and I will be happy to do it for you. Another silly point is all the text is bold. Sometimes there is a light gray background. This makes the text hard to read. It would be nice if the text were plain black on a light cream background. The idea of using chopsticks to hold the silver rods is novel. I would never have thought of it. Perhaps if there were small notches cut into the wood to hold the rods a known, fixed distance apart, it might help maintain a more repeatable process. I have not examined the text in detail, but overall it looks very good. I would love to see adding a multimeter to verify the quality of the distilled water and to monitor the process. I hope you take these comments in the way they were intended. It is very difficult to find a non-commercial site to help the newbies. Your site has the potential to be the best. Kindest Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike: I won't remove the H2O2 pages based on the information I've been given, weighed against the data and personal experience I have, even if nobody else in the world recommends the site! My commitment is to truth, not science and not fear. That is one reason why the website is not named The Colloidal Silver Scientific Website. I will however modify the H2O2 pages. I had never even THOUGHT that someone would take that page and try to use it as a sole protocol for H2O2 therapy. This is MY oversight. People do the wildest things! I will change that. I thought a two line note would adequately advise those not familiar with H2O2 usage that cautions apply. I will take the further step of both providing those cautions, their counters, and a balanced view of hydrogen peroxide. I welcome all criticisms with open-arms, but don't expect me to roll over based on limited information. It is NOT my job to play God! I will not censor information based on fear. Yes I take your comments exactly as they were intended, no fear! :) I won't change the technology or the background, although just for your information, the bulk of the material will be in the database section, which is formatted standard html, as in this example: http://silverdata.20m.com/howmuchsilverdididrink.html I have hundreds of pages to add that I've collected over the years from a wide variety of sources. You miss the point of the basic generator tutorial, as it is designed. It is designed with the understanding that there are those out there that if you say they need anything more than a screwdriver, simply won't do the project. They don't trust themselves to poke holes properly, or drill, or even cut things accurately. While they underestimate themselves dramatically, the generator tutorial is designed specifically for them. There are of course a whole host of modifications that can be done to improve the ENTIRE process. But if you never get your hands dirty you will never discover them! The background choice will change when my designs finish, and thus so will the bolded text. I am going to employ a psychology technology to the design, but it is not one of my priorities at the moment. My apologies for any viewing inconvenience. However, the main part of the website is designed for high bandwidth. It is bearable with lower bandwidth, but just barely. I used to have videos available that would take a 56k'er a few days to download. I use three different graphic optimization programs. The reason they are not smaller is because I like the fine resolution, not because I can't crunch them further. The idea of the database website is two-fold, and I have to balance both needs. The whole website will eventually be available via a CD set - no charge except an option to donate for not-for-profit educational explorations, such as non-clinical, but extensive efficacy trials. Full videos will be included. You'll see why I'm an advocate of the potential of hydrogen peroxide with colloidal silver when I start to add documents to the database, in the other substances section. Don't worry - I get hate mail all the time! I can take it! I just particularly like it when someone is able to find a valid flaw, because, having been corrected, I can make corrections! After all, I'm only human. Gimme a break! I work a full time job ( when I'm not in school full time ), and usually work about six to eight hours when I get home. I work my weekends. I work at least two hours that I might spend sleeping! AND I run more than just the colloidal silver database website as well. And I don't make a dime! In fact, I spend money doing it, lots of money. SO. Come on somebody! Give me something more to consider besides oxidation formulas to hold against hydrogen peroxide! I will add conductivity pages, with multimeters, etc., when I start to address current limiting specifically, and high voltage generators. But it won't be included in the basic generator section. The ionic section will probably come last, although I am itching to address it. For that, I need some help of some very special scientists. It's too much of a task to handle right now. In the future, however, Mike - I would request that you email me directly with criticisms of the website - those that you see no health risk with, that is. I don't want to burden the group with constant emails such as this - yet I feel I must address things as they are brought up. - Original Message - From: Mike Monett add.automat...@sympatico.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 5:13 PM Subject: Re: CScs and h2o2 Hi Jason, Thank you for the very balanced reply. Actually, I can duplicate the effect of taking cs and H2O2. I simply go for a walk. And I agree, the results are wonderful! I can make more H2O2 by running, and less by simply watching the girls go by. Oops - that may not be a good example. I think the site is very good, and I would ordinarily
