Re: CSargyria EIS
I think the 'real' question was, is that diluted down to 5 PPM stuff the same as the stuff originally made to 5 PPM? If I correctly follow the Ole Bob viewpoint on making EIS, it wouldn't be. It would still be the 10 PPM EIS with 10 PPM EIS properties, only weaker. Ode At 08:01 AM 3/16/2006 -0800, you wrote: Absolutely !!! Take one unit of 10 PPM EIS and add one unit of DW and you have 5 PPM EIS. Ole Bob aKa Jhon maj.yo...@slacknix.com wrote: can you dilute 10% C/S to make 3-5%??? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.3 - Release Date: 3/14/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.3 - Release Date: 3/14/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSargyria EIS
At 11:20 AM 3/16/2006 -0500, you wrote: But the question is, is it the same as making 5 ppm EIS. We know that as the ppm goes up the colloidal particle size goes up, Marshall Here we may distinguish between what's a law and a trend. The stronger you go, the harder it is to keep size down as the more other elements of environment 'try' to make em biggerer as it gets harder and harder to get a handle on the environment the particles form in, but it's not impossible. [just iffy] Not at all hard if not exceeding 3-5 PPM. Ode Robert Berger wrote: Absolutely !!! Take one unit of 10 PPM EIS and add one unit of DW and you have 5 PPM EIS. Ole Bob aKa Jhon maj.yo...@slacknix.com wrote: can you dilute 10% C/S to make 3-5%??? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.3 - Release Date: 3/14/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.3 - Release Date: 3/14/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSargyria EIS
OK, I see that. There is something really screwy about that page. First it lists the concentrations tested with a 1 ppm, 3 ppm, and 20 ppm, but then gives results for 3, 10 and 20. Second it lists Aspergillus niger as a test organism, but that does not show up in the results. Then the table, which looks like the normal way of presenting findings like these in which the table shows number of surviving colonies, but under it they say to interpret it as the amount of reduction in the colonies. Then at the bottom they say At least 99.9% reduction (veg. Bacteria)/90.0% reduction (molds) within 7 days. Ref: CTFA 1993 Sect. 13 pp 1-2, which seems to correspond with with the normal interpretation of the graph, not their HOW TO READ THIS LAB TEST section. If indeed they are looking at a reduction of 130 for example from the initial 750,000 initial population, would leave 5800 colonies, which would I believe not be possible to count on a 3 dish. It seems much more likely they are using the industry standard of giving the number of remaining colonies as 130. Since they quote the industry standard in their summary at the bottom, I would expect that they would be following it throughout the report. Lastly the tests I had run by UT in 1999 gave results in line with the standard interpretation of the table, not their HOW TO READ note which inverts the results. I am going to try and contact the company and seek clarification. I have a feeling that many of the comments were added by the company having the test done, instead of Hawkeye-Jensen. Marshall Robert Berger wrote: Marshall, you did not read far enough down the page. Here is the quote from: HOW TO READ THIS LAB TEST The results show and compare how much each test organism was reduced in each product (3,10,20 and 1.0%) in a 24 hour period. Starting with approximately a 750,000 population of each organism, the 3ppp reduced the EColi 130 times, the 10ppm less than ten times, the 20ppm 50 times and the 1.0% Germaben II less than 10. Any other questons??? Ole Bob
Re: CSargyria EIS
can you dilute 10% C/S to make 3-5%??? - Original Message - From: Robert Berger To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: RE: CSargyria EIS Listers, It is common belief anomg us that if little is good then more is better. THAT IS ONE BIG LIE Go to google and search for Hawkeye Jensen, inc, and read their report. 3 PPM is far superior 10 ppm and 20 ppm, as shown in their in vitro testing. I have mentioned several times about my work with Waldamer Boot in the Netherlands where he reported a greenhouse customer had a 1,600,000 sq ft greenhouse of cucumbers that had a mosiac. The government said plow it up, but Waldamer had the man spray his crop with 20-40 PPB ( that's right paaarts per billion ont million that we normally use. In four weeks time the mosiac was gone and the man reported that he had never had such large cukes. !!! When you make your next brew, measure and record the current vs. time and as you take your current read! ing check for a T. E. The monment that you see the start of a T. E. then stop the process and you will have a product that is 98%+ ionic. You can't do much better than that. Ole Bob PS read my book
Re: CSargyria EIS
Absolutely !!! Take one unit of 10 PPM EIS and add one unit of DW and you have 5 PPM EIS. Ole Bob aKa Jhon maj.yo...@slacknix.com wrote: can you dilute 10% C/S to make 3-5%???
Re: CSargyria EIS
But the question is, is it the same as making 5 ppm EIS. We know that as the ppm goes up the colloidal particle size goes up, and if you dilute, the particle size does not change. My guess is that if you do a straight dilution, what you end up with is not as good as if you make it 5 ppm to start with, but if you add some H2O2, which will break the particles down, it will be no different. However there is no experimental evidence I know of that supports or refutes this notion. Marshall Robert Berger wrote: Absolutely !!! Take one unit of 10 PPM EIS and add one unit of DW and you have 5 PPM EIS. Ole Bob aKa Jhon maj.yo...@slacknix.com wrote: can you dilute 10% C/S to make 3-5%???
Re: CSargyria EIS
I suggested that you visit Hawkeye-Jensen,Inc. on google and look at the in vitro test data. They made 20 PPM EIS and diluted it to 10 PPM, 3 PPM, and 1 PPM. They did not publish the 1PPM data as they sell 3PPM material. There is reason to believe that the 1 PPM was superior to the 3 ppm. Please do not come back and say that in vitro testing is not valid. It will merely expose your ignorance. Ole Bob
Re: CSargyria EIS
I could only find tests on some kind of cream, using CS as the preservative. Is that what you are referring to? sol Robert Berger wrote: I suggested that you visit Hawkeye-Jensen,Inc. on google and look at the in vitro test data. They made 20 PPM EIS and diluted it to 10 PPM, 3 PPM, and 1 PPM. They did not publish the 1PPM data as they sell 3PPM material. There is reason to believe that the 1 PPM was superior to the 3 ppm. Please do not come back and say that in vitro testing is not valid. It will merely expose your ignorance. Ole Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSargyria EIS
Robert Berger wrote: I suggested that you visit Hawkeye-Jensen,Inc. on google and look at the in vitro test data. They made 20 PPM EIS and diluted it to 10 PPM, 3 PPM, and 1 PPM. They did not publish the 1PPM data as they sell 3PPM material. There is reason to believe that the 1 PPM was superior to the 3 ppm. I never could find that company on the net, but found what appears to be the test results you are referring to. According to those results the 10 ppm is much better than the 3 ppm, and they do not list 1 ppm. http://www.se1.us/health/colloidal-silver/test3.html Here is the table: 3ppm 10ppm20ppm 1.0% Germaben II E.Coli 130 10 50 10 Aeruginosa 50 10 10 10 Staph.Aureus 4,000 750 3702,000 C.Albicans 50 80 70 10 So for all but C. Albicans the 10 or 20 ppm was the most effective. No where on that page do they indicate if the lower concentrations are by dilution, or manufacture. Please do not come back and say that in vitro testing is not valid. It will merely expose your ignorance. Why would I do that? The protocol they used is identical to the protocol I used when I had my tests run. The test was run in broth which is valid, not agar agar, which is not. Marshall Ole Bob
Re: CSargyria EIS
Marshall, Interesting too that for two of the organisms tested, 20 ppm was more effective than 10 ppm. What company did the tests results you posted? Last time low ppm was discussed here, I tried it, but soon went back to my regular 10-15 ppm. The 3-5 ppm and up to even 8 ppm or so range just does not seem to be as effective for me personally, for my face/eye misting, mouthwash, and oral ingestion uses. There are other advantages to the low ppm: Much faster processing time, plus it is a whole lot easier to make clear EIS at low ppm. But another experience I had was with an infected open wound (small). My regular 10-15 ppm didn't do much, but using EIS of 39 uS (likely much higher in ppm due to more particles) worked very quickly. Individual differences between people might account for whether one person gets better results from higher ppm? sol Marshall Dudley wrote: Robert Berger wrote: I suggested that you visit Hawkeye-Jensen,Inc. on google and look at the in vitro test data. They made 20 PPM EIS and diluted it to 10 PPM, 3 PPM, and 1 PPM. They did not publish the 1PPM data as they sell 3PPM material. There is reason to believe that the 1 PPM was superior to the 3 ppm. I never could find that company on the net, but found what appears to be the test results you are referring to. According to those results the 10 ppm is much better than the 3 ppm, and they do not list 1 ppm. http://www.se1.us/health/colloidal-silver/test3.html Here is the table: 3ppm 10ppm20ppm 1.0% Germaben II E.Coli 130 10 50 10 Aeruginosa 50 10 10 10 Staph.Aureus 4,000 750 3702,000 C.Albicans 50 80 70 10 So for all but C. Albicans the 10 or 20 ppm was the most effective. No where on that page do they indicate if the lower concentrations are by dilution, or manufacture. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSargyria EIS
sol wrote: Marshall, Interesting too that for two of the organisms tested, 20 ppm was more effective than 10 ppm. What company did the tests results you posted? The one Bob said to look at: Hawkeye-Jensen Here is another url with the same test: http://www.healthgoodies.com/article_lab_test_results.asp Last time low ppm was discussed here, I tried it, but soon went back to my regular 10-15 ppm. The 3-5 ppm and up to even 8 ppm or so range just does not seem to be as effective for me personally, for my face/eye misting, mouthwash, and oral ingestion uses. There are other advantages to the low ppm: Much faster processing time, plus it is a whole lot easier to make clear EIS at low ppm. But another experience I had was with an infected open wound (small). My regular 10-15 ppm didn't do much, but using EIS of 39 uS (likely much higher in ppm due to more particles) worked very quickly. Individual differences between people might account for whether one person gets better results from higher ppm? True, but there are really too many unknowns. Ignoring that the test results from those two sites by Hawkeye-Jensen show that 3 ppm is LESS effective than 10 to 20 ppm, we still have the dilution that takes place once it hits the stomach and blood stream. To get 3 ppm in the blood stream would require a lot of very high ppm EIS. So although interesting, it is difficult to really know what the deal is when taken internally. The results are more aptly applied to topical applications or disinfectant appliations where there is no additional dilution. Marshall sol Marshall Dudley wrote: Robert Berger wrote: I suggested that you visit Hawkeye-Jensen,Inc. on google and look at the in vitro test data. They made 20 PPM EIS and diluted it to 10 PPM, 3 PPM, and 1 PPM. They did not publish the 1PPM data as they sell 3PPM material. There is reason to believe that the 1 PPM was superior to the 3 ppm. I never could find that company on the net, but found what appears to be the test results you are referring to. According to those results the 10 ppm is much better than the 3 ppm, and they do not list 1 ppm. http://www.se1.us/health/colloidal-silver/test3.html Here is the table: 3ppm 10ppm20ppm 1.0% Germaben II E.Coli 130 10 50 10 Aeruginosa 50 10 10 10 Staph.Aureus 4,000 750 3702,000 C.Albicans 50 80 70 10 So for all but C. Albicans the 10 or 20 ppm was the most effective. No where on that page do they indicate if the lower concentrations are by dilution, or manufacture. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSargyria EIS
Marshall, you did not read far enough down the page. Here is the quote from: HOW TO READ THIS LAB TEST The results show and compare how much each test organism was reduced in each product (3,10,20 and 1.0%) in a 24 hour period. Starting with approximately a 750,000 population of each organism, the 3ppp reduced the EColi 130 times, the 10ppm less than ten times, the 20ppm 50 times and the 1.0% Germaben II less than 10. Any other questons??? Ole Bob
Re: CSargyria EIS
great,, thanks... - Original Message - From: Robert Berger To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS Absolutely !!! Take one unit of 10 PPM EIS and add one unit of DW and you have 5 PPM EIS. Ole Bob aKa Jhon maj.yo...@slacknix.com wrote: can you dilute 10% C/S to make 3-5%???
Re: CSargyria EIS
I always carry a bottle of cs in the trunk of my car in case I have to eat road-kill. Haven't had to yet. stuff At 07:52 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote: I used to drive a tractor-trailer rig when I was younger, just to see the country. Now at 71, I am doing it again part-time. I had a very nice steak in the fridge for about two days before I got back from a run. It was turning very dark, and didn't smell good. At today's prices I decided to try something. (not recommending anyone else try this, just something I did). I keep a spray bottle full of CS for deodorizing, and spraying veggies etc.. I sprayed the steak, and let it set for about 10 min. (I make it by the gallon at about 10ppm, no tyndal) I then dried it and applied my usual seasonings and cooked it in the George Foreman..delicious, and no tummy ache! I was going to ingest some cs too but didn't so as to be sure the spray job is what worked... - Original Message - From: EmoTap sa...@emotap.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS Deb, That's the same reason I use to spray myself everyday, too!!! Think it will have the same effect. grin :-)) Sash ---Original Message--- From: Deborah Gerard Date: 03/13/06 18:57:29 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS You know I noticed that when I spray my grapes with cs and put them in the refrigerator they last twice as long...deb -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSargyria EIS
after the 10 minutes were up; no odor at all. - Original Message - From: Craig C Chamberlin cr...@craigcchamberlin.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS Hi Charles, from a run. It was turning very dark, and didn't smell good. At today's How did it smell after the CS was applied? Craig -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I keep hearing this stuff. Time to look into it. Bookmarked and appreciated. Jim -Original Message- From: V [mailto:vzo...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:13 AM To: Charles Sutton Subject: ***Possible Spam*** Re: CSargyria EIS In some places they let the meat turn green out doors before they eat it. usually raw meat dose not make much bad bacteria. One guy that promotes eatnig raw animal products uses rotten meat to cure people of cancer and has a high succes rate. bacteria on raw meat is in most cases beneficial http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/bass/aajonus.html http://wholehealth.homestead.com/raw.html I used to drive a tractor-trailer rig when I was younger, just to see the country. Now at 71, I am doing it again part-time. I had a very nice steak in the fridge for about two days before I got back from a run. It was turning very dark, and didn't smell good. At today's prices I decided to try something. (not recommending anyone else try this, just something I did). I keep a spray bottle full of CS for deodorizing, and spraying veggies etc.. I sprayed the steak, and let it set for about 10 min. (I make it by the gallon at about 10ppm, no tyndal) I then dried it and applied my usual seasonings and cooked it in the George Foreman..delicious, and no tummy ache! I was going to ingest some cs too but didn't so as to be sure the spray job is what worked... - Original Message - From: EmoTap sa...@emotap.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS Deb, That's the same reason I use to spray myself everyday, too!!! Think it will have the same effect. grin :-)) Sash ---Original Message--- From: Deborah Gerard Date: 03/13/06 18:57:29 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS You know I noticed that when I spray my grapes with cs and put them in the refrigerator they last twice as long...deb -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --
Re: CSargyria EIS
Deb, That's the same reason I use to spray myself everyday, too!!! Think it will have the same effect. grin :-)) Sash ---Original Message--- From: Deborah Gerard Date: 03/13/06 18:57:29 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS You know I noticed that when I spray my grapes with cs and put them in the refrigerator they last twice as long...deb -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSargyria EIS
I wonder why the 1ppm test results were left out... http://www.se1.us/health/colloidal-silver/test3.html stuff At 10:21 AM 3/13/2006, Ole Bob wrote: Listers, It is common belief anomg us that if little is good then more is better. THAT IS ONE BIG LIE Go to google and search for Hawkeye Jensen, inc, and read their report. 3 PPM is far superior 10 ppm and 20 ppm, as shown in their in vitro testing. I have mentioned several times about my work with Waldamer Boot in the Netherlands where he reported a greenhouse customer had a 1,600,000 sq ft greenhouse of cucumbers that had a mosiac. The government said plow it up, but Waldamer had the man spray his crop with 20-40 PPB ( that's right paaarts per billion ont million that we normally use. In four weeks time the mosiac was gone and the man reported that he had never had such large cukes. !!! When you make your next brew, measure and record the current vs. time and as you take your current read! ing check for a T. E. The monment that you see the start of a T. E. then stop the process and you will have a product that is 98%+ ionic. You can't do much better than that. Ole Bob PS read my book -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSargyria EIS
I'm workin' on it also...on the face. 3 people so far have told me I'm looking younger. Anyone else had the same results? Let's suppose for a moment that a natural death is nothing more than the body's inability to sluff off infection and thereby shut down slowlyor the body's inablility to re-generate fast enoughor both...or... Now I doubt it's that simple but it's a start. Now tell me what I've missed. stuff At 08:11 AM 3/14/2006, Sash wrote: Deb, That's the same reason I use to spray myself everyday, too!!! Think it will have the same effect. grin :-)) Sash ---Original Message--- From: Deborah Gerard Date: 03/13/06 18:57:29 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS You know I noticed that when I spray my grapes with cs and put them in the refrigerator they last twice as long...deb -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSargyria EIS
I used to drive a tractor-trailer rig when I was younger, just to see the country. Now at 71, I am doing it again part-time. I had a very nice steak in the fridge for about two days before I got back from a run. It was turning very dark, and didn't smell good. At today's prices I decided to try something. (not recommending anyone else try this, just something I did). I keep a spray bottle full of CS for deodorizing, and spraying veggies etc.. I sprayed the steak, and let it set for about 10 min. (I make it by the gallon at about 10ppm, no tyndal) I then dried it and applied my usual seasonings and cooked it in the George Foreman..delicious, and no tummy ache! I was going to ingest some cs too but didn't so as to be sure the spray job is what worked... - Original Message - From: EmoTap sa...@emotap.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS Deb, That's the same reason I use to spray myself everyday, too!!! Think it will have the same effect. grin :-)) Sash ---Original Message--- From: Deborah Gerard Date: 03/13/06 18:57:29 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS You know I noticed that when I spray my grapes with cs and put them in the refrigerator they last twice as long...deb -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSargyria EIS
Hi Charles, from a run. It was turning very dark, and didn't smell good. At today's How did it smell after the CS was applied? Craig inline: kilroy.jpg
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I'm with you sister:) EmoTap sa...@emotap.com wrote: Deb, That's the same reason I use to spray myself everyday, too!!! Think it will have the same effect. :-)) Sash ---Original Message--- From: Deborah Gerard Date: 03/13/06 18:57:29 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS You know I noticed that when I spray my grapes with cs and put them in the refrigerator they last twice as long...deb -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSargyria EIS
In some places they let the meat turn green out doors before they eat it. usually raw meat dose not make much bad bacteria. One guy that promotes eatnig raw animal products uses rotten meat to cure people of cancer and has a high succes rate. bacteria on raw meat is in most cases beneficial http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/bass/aajonus.html http://wholehealth.homestead.com/raw.html I used to drive a tractor-trailer rig when I was younger, just to see the country. Now at 71, I am doing it again part-time. I had a very nice steak in the fridge for about two days before I got back from a run. It was turning very dark, and didn't smell good. At today's prices I decided to try something. (not recommending anyone else try this, just something I did). I keep a spray bottle full of CS for deodorizing, and spraying veggies etc.. I sprayed the steak, and let it set for about 10 min. (I make it by the gallon at about 10ppm, no tyndal) I then dried it and applied my usual seasonings and cooked it in the George Foreman..delicious, and no tummy ache! I was going to ingest some cs too but didn't so as to be sure the spray job is what worked... - Original Message - From: EmoTap sa...@emotap.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS Deb, That's the same reason I use to spray myself everyday, too!!! Think it will have the same effect. grin :-)) Sash ---Original Message--- From: Deborah Gerard Date: 03/13/06 18:57:29 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS You know I noticed that when I spray my grapes with cs and put them in the refrigerator they last twice as long...deb -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --
RE: CSargyria EIS
Listers, It is common belief anomg us that if little is good then more is better. THAT IS ONE BIG LIE Go to google and search for Hawkeye Jensen, inc, and read their report. 3 PPM is far superior 10 ppm and 20 ppm, as shown in their in vitro testing. I have mentioned several times about my work with Waldamer Boot in the Netherlands where he reported a greenhouse customer had a 1,600,000 sq ft greenhouse of cucumbers that had a mosiac. The government said plow it up, but Waldamer had the man spray his crop with 20-40 PPB ( that's right paaarts per billion ont million that we normally use. In four weeks time the mosiac was gone and the man reported that he had never had such large cukes. !!! When you make your next brew, measure and record the current vs. time and as you take your current reading check for a T. E. The monment that you see the start of a T. E. then stop the process and you will have a product that is 98%+ ionic. You can't do much better than that. Ole Bob PS read my book
RE: CSargyria EIS
Bob, May I have your permission to post this mail to another forum? TIA, Jim -Original Message- From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSargyria EIS Listers, It is common belief anomg us that if little is good then more is better. THAT IS ONE BIG LIE Go to google and search for Hawkeye Jensen, inc, and read their report. 3 PPM is far superior 10 ppm and 20 ppm, as shown in their in vitro testing. I have mentioned several times about my work with Waldamer Boot in the Netherlands where he reported a greenhouse customer had a 1,600,000 sq ft greenhouse of cucumbers that had a mosiac. The government said plow it up, but Waldamer had the man spray his crop with 20-40 PPB ( that's right paaarts per billion ont million that we normally use. In four weeks time the mosiac was gone and the man reported that he had never had such large cukes. !!! When you make your next brew, measure and record the current vs. time and as you take your current read! ing check for a T. E. The monment that you see the start of a T. E. then stop the process and you will have a product that is 98%+ ionic. You can't do much better than that. Ole Bob PS read my book
Re: CSargyria EIS
- Original Message - From: Robert Berger To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:21 AM Subject: RE: CSargyria EIS Listers, It is common belief anomg us that if little is good then more is better. THAT IS ONE BIG LIE Go to google and search for Hawkeye Jensen, inc, and read their report. 3 PPM is far superior 10 ppm and 20 ppm, as shown in their in vitro testing. I have mentioned several times about my work with Waldamer Boot in the Netherlands where he reported a greenhouse customer had a 1,600,000 sq ft greenhouse of cucumbers that had a mosiac. The government said plow it up, but Waldamer had the man spray his crop with 20-40 PPB ( that's right paaarts per billion ont million that we normally use. In four weeks time the mosiac was gone and the man reported that he had never had such large cukes. !!! When you make your next brew, measure and record the current vs. time and as you take your current reading *** check for a T. E. The monment that you see the start of a T. E. then *** stop the process and you will have a product that is 98%+ ionic. You can't do much better than that. ###Bob, what about when using about 10% of CS in the distilled water, as a starter? The TE is then there, *before* beginning the process. Thanks, Gunar Ole Bob PS read my book -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 10/03/2006
RE: CSargyria EIS
Go right ahead !!! Ole Bob Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net wrote: Bob, May I have your permission to post this mail to another forum? TIA, Jim -Original Message- From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSargyria EIS Listers, It is common belief anomg us that if little is good then more is better. THAT IS ONE BIG LIE Go to google and search for Hawkeye Jensen, inc, and read their report. 3 PPM is far superior 10 ppm and 20 ppm, as shown in their in vitro testing. I have mentioned several times about my work with Waldamer Boot in the Netherlands where he reported a greenhouse customer had a 1,600,000 sq ft greenhouse of cucumbers that had a mosiac. The government said plow it up, but Waldamer had the man spray his crop with 20-40 PPB ( that's right paaarts per billion ont million that we normally use. In four weeks time the mosiac was gone and the man reported that he had never had such large cukes. !!! When you make your next brew, measure and record the current vs. time and as you take your current read! ing check for a T. E. The monment that you see the start of a T. E. then stop the process and you will have a product that is 98%+ ionic. You can't do much better than that. Ole Bob PS read my book
Re: CSargyria EIS
I have been consistantly told that for chronic disease one needs to consume up to 20oz./d of CS to allow enough saturation in the tissues. Do you disagree? What amount do you believe is paramount when making it at home?
Re: CSargyria EIS
You will have more success with the 1/3 EIS, 2/3 gatorade, using about 3 ounces every 2 hours. You don't need 10 PPM EIS a 5 PPM level is more than adequate. Ole Bob gmetrop...@aol.com wrote: I have been consistantly told that for chronic disease one needs to consume up to 20oz./d of CS to allow enough saturation in the tissues. Do you disagree? What amount do you believe is paramount when making it at home?
Re: CSargyria EIS
You know I noticed that when I spray my grapes with cs and put them in the refrigerator they last twice as long...deb Gunar garn...@bigpond.net.au wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Berger To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:21 AM Subject: RE: CSargyria EIS Listers, It is common belief anomg us that if little is good then more is better. THAT IS ONE BIG LIE Go to google and search for Hawkeye Jensen, inc, and read their report. 3 PPM is far superior 10 ppm and 20 ppm, as shown in their in vitro testing. I have mentioned several times about my work with Waldamer Boot in the Netherlands where he reported a greenhouse customer had a 1,600,000 sq ft greenhouse of cucumbers that had a mosiac. The government said plow it up, but Waldamer had the man spray his crop with 20-40 PPB ( that's right paaarts per billion ont million that we normally use. In four weeks time the mosiac was gone and the man reported that he had never had such large cukes. !!! When you make your next brew, measure and record the current vs. time and as you take your current reading *** check for a T. E. The monment that you see the start of a T. E. then *** stop the process and you will have a product that is 98%+ ionic. You can't do much better than that. ###Bob, what about when using about 10% of CS in the distilled water, as a starter? The TE is then there, *before* beginning the process. Thanks, Gunar Ole Bob PS read my book - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 10/03/2006
Re: CSargyria EIS: COMMENT
The bulk of our research results tends to substantiate Robert Berger's position on the efficacy of low ppm (5) EIS. For fulminating threats we have.as a matter of course.utilized higher concentrations (up to 20 ppm) as insurance against the, possible, higher time requirements for lower ppms. However, we have not confirmed that the higher concentrations were, actually, more rapid-acting in their beneficial effects.than the 5 ppm solutions. Brooks Bradley - Original Message - From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:00:51 -0800 (PST) You will have more success with the 1/3 EIS, 2/3 gatorade, using about 3 ounces every 2 hours. You don't need 10 PPM EIS a 5 PPM level is more than adequate. Ole Bob gmetrop...@aol.com wrote: I have been consistantly told that for chronic disease one needs to consume up to 20oz./d of CS to allow enough saturation in the tissues. Do you disagree? What amount do you believe is paramount when making it at home? -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSargyria EIS
Thank you. I have an audience of several hundred. -Original Message- From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSargyria EIS Go right ahead !!! Ole Bob Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net wrote: Bob, May I have your permission to post this mail to another forum? TIA, Jim -Original Message- From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSargyria EIS Listers, It is common belief anomg us tha! t if little is good then more is better. THAT IS ONE BIG LIE Go to google and search for Hawkeye Jensen, inc, and read their report. 3 PPM is far superior 10 ppm and 20 ppm, as shown in their in vitro testing. I have mentioned seve! ral times about my work with Waldamer Boot in the Netherlands where he reported a greenhouse customer had a 1,600,000 sq ft greenhouse of cucumbers that had a mosiac. The government said plow it up, but Waldamer had the man spray his crop with 20-40 PPB ( that's right paaarts per billion ont million that we normally use. In four weeks time the mosiac was gone and the man reported that he had never had such large cukes. !!! When you make your next brew, measure and record the current vs. time and as you take your current read! ing check for a T. E. The monment that you see the start of a T. E. then stop the process and you will have a product that is 98%+ ionic. You can't do much better than that. Ole Bob PS read my book
