Re: CS>Lunar CS making
Consider reading "Power vs. Force" by David R. Hawkins. jcbarton - Original Message - From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" To: Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: RE: CS>Lunar CS making > Before thinking anything is "true", consider Kurt Godel's Incompleteness > Theorem; Many advanced mathematicians believe that his proof proves that > anything that is true is not provable, and, conversely, that systems of > axiomatic proof may be demonstrated to technically "prove" something that on > it's face is absurdly false. They don't take enough into account. > Apparently, the only database adequate to really prove anything is > everything. > > James-Osbourne: Holmes > > -Original Message- > From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:02 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Lunar CS making > > There probably is, you're exemplifying the standard sceptic. > I used to be as sure as you, but not anymore. > I DO find the world to be more fun now, too... > BTW, what is your age? > Chuck > This mind intentionally left blank. > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:59:16 +1100, "Kevin Nolan" > wrote: > > >Hey, is there anyone else on this list who thinks like I do - if there is > then have some balls and add your voice please! > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:15:24 +1100, "Kevin Nolan" wrote: >Seems you can read my state of frustration pretty well, Chuck. Not sure age >has much to do with it, but if it helps build a better profile, all being well >will turn 50 come St Patrick's Day. Hmmm, unexpected paydirt! Maybe that's when the search for more meaning in the nature of things begins. I STARTED training in kung-fu at 45. The circumstances leading up to that in retrospect, were esoteric indeed. The sea change in my philosophy from that point was a tremendous alteration. > You seem to be doing pretty well for someone with a blank mind, BTW! Despite > the impression I'm obviously giving some, I do have an open mind, but as I'm > sure you've quipped, not so open the brain falls out. I just leave room for OTHER possibilities, I NEVER bet the rent! Of one thing I'm sure of... Only fools are positive. <;^) (if you think you've caught me in one, note the seldom-used emoticon) I think it was Marshall that set up my reading list for this winter by mentioning Sitchin. Got the rest of his books for Christmas. Mind boggling! Do what you do, it'll work out. Chuck "It's just over the next dune, I swear to God!" -- Moses -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
Kevin pleads... > Hey, is there anyone else on this list who thinks like I do - if there > is then ... add your voice please! Yup, I've seen the scientific method work. In fact, I've personally experienced how hard it can be to get some scientists to follow it rigorously! Then there's the politics and economics that come into play long before you need consider anything so esoteric as "psychic" or paranormal influence by the observer. That said, it still works better than mumbo-jumbo and magic in the hands of people without extraordinary talent. And the crucial aspect for us to remember in this whole discussion of Lunar influences, etc., is that THEY REALLY DON'T MATTER MUCH! Just as all the other wild fluctuations in concentration and particle size and ionic fraction in our uncontrolled processes don't render our CS ineffective, Lunar or other esoteric influences won't either. It's fun to contemplate all this other stuff, but don't forget that the simpler CS generating methods still work plenty well enough. I also ask that folks not strain the credulity of the newcomers by *too* much discussion of this stuff, since it really is not essential to their success learning to make and/or use CS and can cause them to dismiss us and CS as a bunch of idiocy. I'm a sympathetic skeptic, if there is such a thing. I *want* a lot of this stuff to be true, but I don't believe it until I can see proof and evidence of reproduceable results. I am, however, a lot less willing to dismiss things out of hand as I used to be! There's just too much that can't be explained. Be well, Mike D. da list owner guy (Yeah, we should soon kill these marginal threads. Volume is pretty high and that drives people away, too.) [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Lunar CS making
Before thinking anything is "true", consider Kurt Godel's Incompleteness Theorem; Many advanced mathematicians believe that his proof proves that anything that is true is not provable, and, conversely, that systems of axiomatic proof may be demonstrated to technically "prove" something that on it's face is absurdly false. They don't take enough into account. Apparently, the only database adequate to really prove anything is everything. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Lunar CS making There probably is, you're exemplifying the standard sceptic. I used to be as sure as you, but not anymore. I DO find the world to be more fun now, too... BTW, what is your age? Chuck This mind intentionally left blank. On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:59:16 +1100, "Kevin Nolan" wrote: >Hey, is there anyone else on this list who thinks like I do - if there is then have some balls and add your voice please! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
The "scientific method" does not exist in reality, that is to say, in a pure sense, as contemplated in your post below. All we have in the real world are imperfect attempts at it. If it were more transparent to the public (as is our court system) we would all acknowledge this fact. Leo Kevin Nolan wrote: > "..Now if the moon phase can influence such an observeable > phenomenom as floatation of logs, I don't think it too much of a > stretch to consider its influence on the formation of colloids, whose > stability is dependant on the ability of the water to support the > particles. Regards, Mike Fuller" But it is a huge stretch of the > imagination. A log at near neutral bouyancy need only swell by a few > percent (or alternately, expell a few percent moisture) to > successfully float down a river. Silver colloid particles are 10 times > the density of water, and remain suspended by brownian motion - a > temperature dependent thermal effect, augmented by the zeta potential > and any actual excess charge present. The two phenomena are chalk and > cheese. "..The canine and the feline families manifest uncanny > abilities which have great survival values in their respective > vibrational planes but are rare ocurrences amongst humans in our 35th > - 40th Octave world for seeing and hearingHearing is sensory > dissociation without concentrationThe whole human body is a > finely tuned electomagnetic sense organ in resonance, It is a > cohesive manifestation of vibrationasl states of electromagnetism : > light, sound and geometryWith regards, Lew" Would like to know > just what a "vibrational plane" is, what our "35th - 40th Octave > world" actually means (for instance - just what are the frequencies, > and what is vibrating?), and how a human body can be fully or even > partly described as "a cohesive manifestation of vibrational states of > electromagnetism" (for starters, about 99.97% of our mass is of > nuclear origin, which is not electromagnetic). "I'm new to the list > and have been reading with interest speculation regarding CS > production. Japanese artist/photographer Masaru Emoto's book "The > Message from Water" suggests that human vibrational energy, thoughts, > words, and ideas affect the molecular structure of water. > http://www.adhikara.com/water.html Regards, Donna" Indeed he suggests > it, and purports to prove it with photos. But has it been consistently > reproduced by others - thus establishing it as a principle of nature? > Put it this way; how many list members are going to slap a sticker on > the side of their bottle of CS, with a message like "I love you", and > really expect that to make some positive difference? Or, following the > gist of the recent reintroduction of Michael Theroux's article on > lunar influence on CS production, should we be assiduously consulting > Solunar charts before brewing CS? Hugging trees may indeed make the > hugger feel better, but don't discount good old psychological factors > before putting it down to " exchange of positive and negative > energies", for instance. Many concerned scientists think we are > entering a new dark age, where magic and mysticism are reclaiming the > ground won so hard by scientific progress over the last three > centuries or so. To be sure, "establishment" science doesn't have all > the answers, and there is a tendency to ignore phenomena that doesn't > fit the mould. However the scientific method holds a rigour completely > unmatched by mysticism whose pseudoscientific terminology merely gives > the impression of really knowing. The unfortunate practice of > carelessly or craftily blending together proven fact and > speculation/folklore with the intent of making it look like a > consistent whole is to be avoided like the plague. Hey, is there > anyone else on this list who thinks like I do - if there is then have > some balls and add your voice please! regards, Kevin Nolan > ken...@optusnet.com.au
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
There probably is, you're exemplifying the standard sceptic. I used to be as sure as you, but not anymore. I DO find the world to be more fun now, too... BTW, what is your age? Chuck This mind intentionally left blank. On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:59:16 +1100, "Kevin Nolan" wrote: >Hey, is there anyone else on this list who thinks like I do - if there is then >have some balls and add your voice please! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
I don't know if this was sent properly, so apologies if you get it twice. Loggers in Europe used to transport their logs to the mills in flumes. Some of the logs were too heavy (dense?) to float sufficiently well for this method, but the old-timers would wait for a particular phase of the moon (can't recall which one at the moment) and the logs would then float high enough in the water for this to work. (ref: Living Energies by Callum Coats) Now if the moon phase can influence such an observeable phenomenom as floatation of logs, I don't think it too much of a stretch to consider its influence on the formation of colloids, whose stability is dependant on the ability of the water to support the particles. Regards, Mike Fuller -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
Loggers in Europe used to transport their logs to the mills in flumes. Some of the logs were too heavy (dense?) to float sufficiently well for this method, but the old-timers would wait for a particular phase of the moon (can't recall which one at the moment) and the logs would then float high enough in the water for this to work. (ref: Living Energies by Callum Coats) Now if the moon phase can influence such an observeable phenomenom as floatation of logs, I don't think it too much of a stretch to consider its influence on the formation of colloids, whose stability is dependant on the ability of the water to support the particles. Regards, Mike Fuller -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
I would love to continue with this discussion, but I think we best move it over to the off topic list before the moderator comes back from the holidays and puts a stop to it. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: > Possibly the individual concerned has some special gift or a familiar > spirit or whatever - I have heard several "friend of a friend" accounts > where street lamps would die when a certain individual walked near them, > only to revive again later when out of range. This kind of thing however > belongs not in the chemistry, phsics, or even metaphysics of CS production, > but in the supernatural realm, IMHO. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
Possibly the individual concerned has some special gift or a familiar spirit or whatever - I have heard several "friend of a friend" accounts where street lamps would die when a certain individual walked near them, only to revive again later when out of range. This kind of thing however belongs not in the chemistry, phsics, or even metaphysics of CS production, but in the supernatural realm, IMHO. This happens to me a lot, sometimes whole strings of street lights in sequence with my passing ...but it doesn't happen more times than it does and never when there's an intent. Murphys law cannot be tested? Perhaps there's a link between sychronicity and manifestation that is coupled with NOT being attached to a particular idea or outcome where the very focus on that event prevents it from happening by locking up the energy that it takes for it to manifest. [..and there does exist some sub atomic phenomenon that suggests some sort of communication with the past and future and physical time travel of small particles] Why not ideas?..but if you hold ideas in the present or project them into the future, they can't change the past in ways to run into in the future? Ya gotta let em go where they can do something. But, how could one prove that the past had been changed, especially if not aware of that particular past until a future event, as related to a present idea... forgotten about until reminded of it by the future event, brought it up? Now, THERE'S a can of worms for a lab! The wierdest most unlikly and improbable stuff happens soon after it's completely forgotten about, often enough to be really quizzical. [ I have a long personal list of the extremely improbable] Perhaps NOT telling an event how and when to happen increases the likelyhood that it can find a way to manifest [happen] in ways and by means unthought of, but with recognizable results.[along with its history and logical justification] Sorta like, if I think of a ride, forget about it and start walking, I'm likely to find a ride. But if I think Blue Mercedes as I walkit's likely that I'll be walking for a while. If I don't move and keep thinking Blue Mercedes, I might as well forget about going anywhere. [too many limitations decreases the probabilities] But if I really do forget about going anywhere, I'm [magically] already there. Humm, what IS that I'm not thinking about? [Tell ya tomorrow when hind sight clears it up] Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
It's pretty obvious that making colloidal silver is by no means a simple process as evidenced by the volume of messages on this list. Our only saving grace is that a really wide range of results "does the job". Hammers, regardless of size , shape or style of swinging it... drive nails. {If it won't, maybe it's not a hammer} Ken At 10:38 AM 12/26/01 -0700, you wrote: >Marshall said it well, and is what I had in mind but didn't communicate it >very well. The Borderlands article is interesting, but is only one data >point. What is needed are more carefully conducted experiments, as Marshall >indicates, to determine that the phenomena is repeatable, and isolating the >variation to just one cause such as lunar position. Until that is done, the >one experiment is statistically insignificant. > >Has anyone generated say 100 batches of CS all at once (same starting and >ending time), with as close to the same conditions as possible in a >laboratory, and determined the statistical variance of the batches with each >other? If we can't generate nearly identical batches given the nearly >identical conditions (same H2O, volume, electrode purity and wetted area, >current, temperature, ambient atmosphere, brew time, electromagnetic and >accoustic environment, (same mental attitude about each batch being >brewed???), etc.), then we must first understand why there is so >much variation before we can start introducing other variables such as moon >gravity or whatever. One would hope and expect that such an uncomplicated >procedure (e.g. simple electrolysis) could produce highly repeatable >results. Then one could feel confident in doing experiments to determine >what outside influences may affect properties of the "brew". > >Sadly, the large scale laboratory tests with CS likely will never be done >because those who could invest the substantial funds required would not be >able to get a return from their expenditure. We may not now know how to >make the "best" CS or ionic silver or mix of both yet, and we may never know >this, but at least we can feel confident that what we do make from pure >water and silver only has a high probability of improving our quality of >life. It is reassuring to see the anecdotal evidence of benefits keep >piling up from more and more people, and none of us are turning blue-gray! >--Steve > >- Original Message - > >> See www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/lunar.htm >> >> >> However although there does seem to be evidence that the moon does have an >> effect if we can believe that these experiments were really run, and >resulted >> in these reported results, additional testing needs to be done to confirm >it. >> >> First it needs to be duplicated by others, and it needs to be done with >double >> blind testing. It really needs to be done again by someone who doesn't >believe >> in the phenomena, since it is just as likely that the expectations of the >> experimenter caused the difference as the planets. >> >> Marshall >> >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > > > > > >
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
Marshall said it well, and is what I had in mind but didn't communicate it very well. The Borderlands article is interesting, but is only one data point. What is needed are more carefully conducted experiments, as Marshall indicates, to determine that the phenomena is repeatable, and isolating the variation to just one cause such as lunar position. Until that is done, the one experiment is statistically insignificant. Has anyone generated say 100 batches of CS all at once (same starting and ending time), with as close to the same conditions as possible in a laboratory, and determined the statistical variance of the batches with each other? If we can't generate nearly identical batches given the nearly identical conditions (same H2O, volume, electrode purity and wetted area, current, temperature, ambient atmosphere, brew time, electromagnetic and accoustic environment, (same mental attitude about each batch being brewed???), etc.), then we must first understand why there is so much variation before we can start introducing other variables such as moon gravity or whatever. One would hope and expect that such an uncomplicated procedure (e.g. simple electrolysis) could produce highly repeatable results. Then one could feel confident in doing experiments to determine what outside influences may affect properties of the "brew". Sadly, the large scale laboratory tests with CS likely will never be done because those who could invest the substantial funds required would not be able to get a return from their expenditure. We may not now know how to make the "best" CS or ionic silver or mix of both yet, and we may never know this, but at least we can feel confident that what we do make from pure water and silver only has a high probability of improving our quality of life. It is reassuring to see the anecdotal evidence of benefits keep piling up from more and more people, and none of us are turning blue-gray! --Steve - Original Message - > > See www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/lunar.htm > > > However although there does seem to be evidence that the moon does have an > effect if we can believe that these experiments were really run, and resulted > in these reported results, additional testing needs to be done to confirm it. > > First it needs to be duplicated by others, and it needs to be done with double > blind testing. It really needs to be done again by someone who doesn't believe > in the phenomena, since it is just as likely that the expectations of the > experimenter caused the difference as the planets. > > Marshall > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
RE: CS>Lunar CS making
Hello All...CS brews differently for me at different times..whether it is the lunar phase causing itI have no idea..and probably in truth ...no one else knows eitherRobb From: Ed Kasper Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Lunar CS making Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:02:46 -0800 A good doctor cures 30% of his patients simply by wearing a white coat and telling the patient that they will be better. In every severe trauma the best way to help someone is to tell them they are all right. Re-assure them, never tell them the truth, never show the truth on your face. Their injuries are such that they may die - but shock and despair will kill even when the injuries are not life-threatening. Rituals - and Beliefs - are what all people live and die by. Ed Kasper, Santa Cruz, CA. - but that's the way it is in this part of California ! Happy Holidays, Joy and Peace to ALL. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
RE: CS>Lunar CS making
A good doctor cures 30% of his patients simply by wearing a white coat and telling the patient that they will be better. In every severe trauma the best way to help someone is to tell them they are all right. Re-assure them, never tell them the truth, never show the truth on your face. Their injuries are such that they may die - but shock and despair will kill even when the injuries are not life-threatening. Rituals - and Beliefs - are what all people live and die by. Ed Kasper, Santa Cruz, CA. - but that's the way it is in this part of California ! Happy Holidays, Joy and Peace to ALL. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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S & J Young wrote: > I can't let this go by without commenting. In my view, the best time to > make CS is anytime you need some more. I challange anyone to demonstrate > how the position of the moon in relation to the Earth can possibly make any > difference to the production of CS. It would be helpful if those posting > such stuff do a little research to determine if there is any scientific > basis for what is claimed, or if it is just some sort of wierd marketing > scheme or someone with an uncontrolled imagination adding a bit of mystery > and awe for some reason. See www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/lunar.htm The hypothesis was tested with the scientific method and found to be supported. So there is a basis for the claim. I am not sure what you mean by "demonstrate how", since the above site demonstrates how to test it, but not how it is supported in theory. Most scientists seem to have lost the realization that experiment trumps theory, since now I see endless arguments that something cannot be true even though experimentally proven, simply because theory can not explain it. That is backwards, first the hypothesis experiments, then the confirmation experiments, then the theory.. However although there does seem to be evidence that the moon does have an effect if we can believe that these experiments were really run, and resulted in these reported results, additional testing needs to be done to confirm it. First it needs to be duplicated by others, and it needs to be done with double blind testing. It really needs to be done again by someone who doesn't believe in the phenomena, since it is just as likely that the expectations of the experimenter caused the difference as the planets. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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In article , "Jason / AVRA" wrote: >To keep on topic, though, scientific research has been conducted regarding >colloidal silver production and lunar events. Laboratory analysis shows >that lunar events may in fact influence colloidal silver production. I've never paid any attention to time of day or phase of the moon when making CS. I use a Colloid Master with a bubbler for mixing, and I always get clear CS with TE and that comforting metallic aftertaste that tells me there's silver in it. If I've been getting variation from batch to batch it's never been noticeable. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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- Original Message - From: S & J Young To: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 10:35 PM Subject: Re: CS>Lunar CS making > I challange anyone to demonstrate > how the position of the moon in relation to the Earth can possibly make any > difference to the production of CS. It would be helpful if those posting > such stuff do a little research to determine if there is any scientific > basis for what is claimed... Actually, various studies have shown that the moon's cycles strongly influence the behavior of humans, animals and plants. This is not strange when you consider that the moon's gravitational pull on the earth affects the tides. Our bodies are a little over two-thirds water. Why should we be immune from the moon's effects? There is a whole system of farming called BioDynamic, begun by the scientist Rudolf Steiner. This system utilizes the principles of the interaction between the heavenly bodies, including the earth, and the effects these interactions have on plant life here. Farming is very hard work. Farmers would not invest so much time and money in BioDynamic methods if it didn't have some validity. The effects of the moon can be so strong that some Rife researchers have even reported that sometimes frequencies do not seem to work as well, or even at all, during the full moon. Though the researchers speculate that this may be due to an electromagnetic anomoly, they really don't know why. However, just because they don't know why doesn't mean that their observations are untrue. We don't know the "why" of lots of phenomena. But part of being a good scientist is remaining open to accepting that things may happen that are beyond what you've been taught to believe are possible. Best, Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
Greetings, all: One man's nonsense is another man's religion. One man's science is another man's superstition. Luckily, it is not up to any one individual what may or may not be posted regarding colloidal silver on such a list as this! In fact, the phenominon of various electromagnetic "anomalies" has been deeply studied in relation to many topics. I've been to places where you could literally walk up the side of a wall due to unexplained differences in gravity and the Earth's electromagnetic field. Watching a ball roll up hill is an interesting experience to get the mind working "out of the box", though being in such an area can disturb the body to the point of developing an upset stomach similiar to being sea sick! To keep on topic, though, scientific research has been conducted regarding colloidal silver production and lunar events. Laboratory analysis shows that lunar events may in fact influence colloidal silver production. Although not all of the pertinent details are given, the borderlands article that describes the experiments can be viewed here: http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/lunar.htm Contempt prior to investigation is seldom an indication of wisdom. Jason _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
Hi Terry, Theres an article on the web by Michael Theroux Titled "Lunar influence on The Production of Colloidal Silver". The URL is; www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/lunar.htm Theodore --- Terry Chamberlin wrote: > Jaguar Enterprises said (from his website): > "The best time to make colloidal silver is during > what > is called 'the solunar period.' There are two > solunar > periods each day. They begin approximately 6 hours > after either moon-rise or moon-set, and last for > about > 90 minutes." > > Has anyone actually made CS at different Lunar > periods > and then tested and measured it? Ole Bob? > > __ > > Send your holiday cheer with > http://greetings.yahoo.ca > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion > of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an > e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the > SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
I can't let your comment go by without commenting either. Nonsense?? Proove it yourself. Farmers have aways planted by the sign of the moon and they swear by it. FDA doesn't have proof CS doesn't work either, they just make a statement such as "nonsense" and expect everybody to accept that too. ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 09:37:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:CS>Lunar CS making I can't let this go by without commenting. In my view, the best time to make CS is anytime you need some more. I challange anyone to demonstrate how the position of the moon in relation to the Earth can possibly make any difference to the production of CS. It would be helpful if those posting such stuff do a little research to determine if there is any scientific basis for what is claimed, or if it is just some sort of wierd marketing scheme or someone with an uncontrolled imagination adding a bit of mystery and awe for some reason. We should try to keep the nonsense off the list, or at least state that an idea is pure conjecture or opinion and not factual. --Steve - Original Message - From: "Terry Chamberlin"To: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: CS>Lunar CS making > Jaguar Enterprises said (from his website): > "The best time to make colloidal silver is during what > is called 'the solunar period.' There are two solunar > periods each day. They begin approximately 6 hours > after either moon-rise or moon-set, and last for about > 90 minutes." > > Has anyone actually made CS at different Lunar periods > and then tested and measured it? Ole Bob? > > __ > Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > .
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
Evening Terry, "The best time to make colloidal silver is during what is called 'the solunar period.' There are two solunar periods each day. They begin approximately 6 hours after either moon-rise or moon-set, and last for about 90 minutes." That is also the best time to go hunting and fishing. Some people I know do everything by these solunar periods. This is a new idea for me. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lunar CS making
I can't let this go by without commenting. In my view, the best time to make CS is anytime you need some more. I challange anyone to demonstrate how the position of the moon in relation to the Earth can possibly make any difference to the production of CS. It would be helpful if those posting such stuff do a little research to determine if there is any scientific basis for what is claimed, or if it is just some sort of wierd marketing scheme or someone with an uncontrolled imagination adding a bit of mystery and awe for some reason. We should try to keep the nonsense off the list, or at least state that an idea is pure conjecture or opinion and not factual. --Steve - Original Message - From: "Terry Chamberlin" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: CS>Lunar CS making > Jaguar Enterprises said (from his website): > "The best time to make colloidal silver is during what > is called 'the solunar period.' There are two solunar > periods each day. They begin approximately 6 hours > after either moon-rise or moon-set, and last for about > 90 minutes." > > Has anyone actually made CS at different Lunar periods > and then tested and measured it? Ole Bob? > > __ > Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >