Re: Windows 8
Hehe =) I like it, just a very new way of handling apps and an attempt creating a bridge between mobile OS with desktop, which is not the norm, so disliked by the norm... But I like it. --- Original Message --- From: Byron Nash byronn...@gmail.com Sent: January 13, 2014 4:39 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better except that it's terrible. Did I get that right? On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com wrote: And then theres this... http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com wrote: Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Windows 8
And then theres this... http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com wrote: Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Windows 8
So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better except that it's terrible. Did I get that right? On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com wrote: And then theres this... http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com wrote: Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Windows 8
Pretty much, stick with Windows XP. On 14 January 2014 08:38, Byron Nash byronn...@gmail.com wrote: So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better except that it's terrible. Did I get that right? On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com wrote: And then theres this... http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com wrote: Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Windows 8
I've used both 7 and 8 with no problems. I don't think it makes a huge difference. Nice that it boots so fast now. Once I do a backup, I'll put on 8.1. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Simon Pickard m...@simonpickard.comwrote: Pretty much, stick with Windows XP. On 14 January 2014 08:38, Byron Nash byronn...@gmail.com wrote: So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better except that it's terrible. Did I get that right? On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.comwrote: And then theres this... http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com wrote: Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Windows 8
8.1 is a considerable improvement over 8 in terms of usability actually. It's not without some nagging things, but at this point most are a matter of preference, and very few are objectively steps back. Performance wise I don't think it can be argued it's overall better on many fronts, even if some times by small margins, than 7. You do have to get used to it, and it does feel like a condescending OS if that makes any sense, but at least it's not as downright insulting or infuriating like OS-X can be in its apply stubbornness when you're not a fanboy and bump into the occasional thing that makes no sense but Apple decides to ram down your throat because they know better, and to hell with what the user base thinks. It's still behind in some regards, especially on the photography and imaging front, but then so is win7, so if the toss up is between 7 and 8.1 I'd say 8.1 does come out on top. All in all I'd say if you want to give 8 a try you have to try 8.1 and forget about 8, and if you tried 8 and moved away from it for the usability issues and excessive tabletization then give 8.1 a try again and see if it changes your mind. It is a step up from 7 in enough regards. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: I've used both 7 and 8 with no problems. I don't think it makes a huge difference. Nice that it boots so fast now. Once I do a backup, I'll put on 8.1. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Simon Pickard m...@simonpickard.comwrote: Pretty much, stick with Windows XP. On 14 January 2014 08:38, Byron Nash byronn...@gmail.com wrote: So, to sum it all up from everyone. Windows 8 is faster and better except that it's terrible. Did I get that right? On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.comwrote: And then theres this... http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/threshold-be-called-windows-9-ship-april-2015 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Nuno Conceicao nunoalexconcei...@gmail.com wrote: Its definitely faster to boot than windows 7 On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Windows 8
Thanks! Now I'm definitely buying our new PCs with Win 8(8.1) specially since Win 7 is not easy to find these days. The Win8 Pro downgrade option is something I wish I knew when we bought a couple of Win7 PCs a few months ago. Now, Is it worth to upgrade our old PCs? So far it doesn't seem so, but I may upgrade just one to try it myself with dual boot or something. Martin
Re: Windows 8
Yeah, it's the first thing I run wherever I go! Anyone who's bothered by the Windows tablet features should definitely check it out. DAN On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:13 AM, Bruno-Pierre Jobin bpjo...@gmail.comwrote: Have you guys tried Fixmypen from Viziblr? It turns off all the annoying things of windows when using a wacom. http://viziblr.codeplex.com/releases/view/71703 Bruno On Saturday, 11 January, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Martin wrote: I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should choose 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them anytime soon. Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard about problems with Wacom tablets ? thanks Martin Sent from my iPhone
Re: Windows 8
It´s worth checking out if your windows 8 licenses would include a so called downgrade option for windows 7. Such a feature is part of the windows 8 pro license option but you´d have to check your small print and additional requirements, like access to a physical install dvd of a windows 7 pro OS. But basically, a windows 8 pro key can be used to activate a windows 7 pro license: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/3459580/roll-back-windows-7-from-windows-8/ -- This way, you can make the transition as smooth as possible, roll back or even postpone it if neccessary for your work environment. Cheers, tim On 12.01.2014 05:02, Martin wrote: I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should choose 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them anytime soon. Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard about problems with Wacom tablets ? thanks Martin Sent from my iPhone
Re: Windows 8
Win 7 won be unsupported by Microsoft any moment now making it the less secure OS so you may want to upgrade to 8.. Shame Jb Sent from my iPhone On 12 Jan 2014, at 11:21, Tim Leydecker bauero...@gmx.de wrote: It´s worth checking out if your windows 8 licenses would include a so called downgrade option for windows 7. Such a feature is part of the windows 8 pro license option but you´d have to check your small print and additional requirements, like access to a physical install dvd of a windows 7 pro OS. But basically, a windows 8 pro key can be used to activate a windows 7 pro license: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/3459580/roll-back-windows-7-from-windows-8/ -- This way, you can make the transition as smooth as possible, roll back or even postpone it if neccessary for your work environment. Cheers, tim On 12.01.2014 05:02, Martin wrote: I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should choose 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them anytime soon. Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard about problems with Wacom tablets ? thanks Martin Sent from my iPhone
RE: Windows 8
If you really feel like reinstalling an OS, reinstall windows 7, you will get a performance increase because it's a fresh install and you will get all the fun of reinstalling all of your programs but you won't get the crap that is windows 8 in the process. Don't waste your time or money on windows 8, it's just not worth it. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 6:09 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Windows 8 I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx. http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg
Re: Windows 8
Well I was against win8 at first but after trying it I can now only recommend it so... personal flavor I guess On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: If you really feel like reinstalling an OS, reinstall windows 7, you will get a performance increase because it’s a fresh install and you will get all the fun of reinstalling all of your programs but you won’t get the crap that is windows 8 in the process. Don’t waste your time or money on windows 8, it’s just not worth it. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Emilio Hernandez *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 6:09 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Windows 8 I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Windows 8
that's a personal opinion. running win8.1 on a couple of pc's and a surface pro over here, and am very happy with it. especially with the fact that win8 will sync most of the win settings to the cloud, so stuff will travel much easier between machines. and the Modern UI/apps are great on a tablet. 8.1 is a lot better OS than 8 when it came out. and all the complaining about the removal of the start menu and lesser productivity on the desktop is just nagging because MS finally got back into the game, and had the balls to start changing things that should have been done years ago. and no... the desktop isn't going away anytime soon my personal 0.02 euro's Rob \/-\/\/ On 11-1-2014 9:13, Sam Bowling wrote: If you really feel like reinstalling an OS, reinstall windows 7, you will get a performance increase because it's a fresh install and you will get all the fun of reinstalling all of your programs but you won't get the crap that is windows 8 in the process. Don't waste your time or money on windows 8, it's just not worth it. *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Emilio Hernandez *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 6:09 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Windows 8 I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6992 - Release Date: 01/10/14
Re: Windows 8
Well seems that for a quiet weekend it is a good chance to upgrade then. Thx for the comments. 2014/1/11 Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl that's a personal opinion. running win8.1 on a couple of pc's and a surface pro over here, and am very happy with it. especially with the fact that win8 will sync most of the win settings to the cloud, so stuff will travel much easier between machines. and the Modern UI/apps are great on a tablet. 8.1 is a lot better OS than 8 when it came out. and all the complaining about the removal of the start menu and lesser productivity on the desktop is just nagging because MS finally got back into the game, and had the balls to start changing things that should have been done years ago. and no... the desktop isn't going away anytime soon my personal 0.02 euro's Rob \/-\/\/ On 11-1-2014 9:13, Sam Bowling wrote: If you really feel like reinstalling an OS, reinstall windows 7, you will get a performance increase because it’s a fresh install and you will get all the fun of reinstalling all of your programs but you won’t get the crap that is windows 8 in the process. Don’t waste your time or money on windows 8, it’s just not worth it. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.comsoftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Emilio Hernandez *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 6:09 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Windows 8 I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6992 - Release Date: 01/10/14
Re: Windows 8
8.1 is actually pretty decent these days, especially if you are on the modern side of the technology line. Even with the cosmetic re-shuffle bringing back a more start menu feeling it's still a bit awkward and inefficient at times with its hybrid approach and some too tablet friendly approaches in the UI when working with a large monitor and a mouse/tablet, but all in all they rarely get in the way of actual work once you have your apps up. Performance wise though it's a more modern and better OS than the previous windows. Performance, boot times, memory management, file handling and so on are all better, and that is with two fresh installs on two SSD drives of 7 and 8.1 side by side on the same box, so no placebo or fresh vs muddy installs affecting the comparison. It's not going to blow your mind compared to a fresh and well tended win7 install, and while there is a handful of nice features if you take the time to read up and get used to the tricks, there will be some annoying changes as well, but if you embrace it and give it an honest try instead of installing it with the firm intention to hate it right out of the gate I'd say it's at the very least worth a try. You might like it. If you can buy an SSD drive somewhere that offers no-hassle returns like Amazon I would buy one, install there, and give it an honest effort for a week or two and then decide from there. It'll be a few hours of your time but you have a better than even chance to find them well spent IMO. On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Windows 8
I love W8 (and 8.1 more), the general workflow of things is a lot smoother than 7’s, and the ribbon in the explorer is quite handy and always missed when I go to 7 again. If you never used the start menu, the new tiles in 8.1 will certainly suffice. I find it’s app search fast and useful - also the new gesture things aok. If you just learn how to change the tile system to have the same background as your desktop, the switch won’t be so jarring. Also learning some windows shortcut keys make it that much easier to use. I find handling of ram and speed of software load and system load to be phenomenally faster in 8 over 7. Anyway.. enough praise for now… sure go ahead with out - but yes.. it has it’s driver quirks still, and I find more so when it comes to sound drivers and old tablets - but it’s fairly well rounded when it comes to that. Concerning SI in 8, had no problems. Cheers. -Draise From: Emilio Hernandez Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 21:09 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Windows 8
I use StartIsBack for 8.1 as I can't manage without normal start menu functionality. Free if you don't mind a nag screen. On 11 January 2014 13:04, Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.com wrote: I love W8 (and 8.1 more), the general workflow of things is a lot smoother than 7’s, and the ribbon in the explorer is quite handy and always missed when I go to 7 again. If you never used the start menu, the new tiles in 8.1 will certainly suffice. I find it’s app search fast and useful - also the new gesture things aok. If you just learn how to change the tile system to have the same background as your desktop, the switch won’t be so jarring. Also learning some windows shortcut keys make it that much easier to use. I find handling of ram and speed of software load and system load to be phenomenally faster in 8 over 7. Anyway.. enough praise for now… sure go ahead with out - but yes.. it has it’s driver quirks still, and I find more so when it comes to sound drivers and old tablets - but it’s fairly well rounded when it comes to that. Concerning SI in 8, had no problems. Cheers. -Draise *From:* Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 21:09 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Windows 8
I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should choose 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them anytime soon. Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard about problems with Wacom tablets ? thanks Martin Sent from my iPhone
Re: Windows 8
Like when pressing the annoying blue circle coming in? 2014/1/12 Bruno-Pierre Jobin bpjo...@gmail.com Have you guys tried Fixmypen from Viziblr? It turns off all the annoying things of windows when using a wacom. http://viziblr.codeplex.com/releases/view/71703 Bruno On Saturday, 11 January, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Martin wrote: I'm buying a couple of PCs for the office and I'm not sure if I should choose 8 or 7. All our PCs are with Win 7 and we are not upgrading them anytime soon. Any considerations I should have to pick my OS? Any problems with Win8 and your typical 3D related software? I've heard about problems with Wacom tablets ? thanks Martin Sent from my iPhone
Re: Windows 8
once you get rid of all the surface gubbins win8 is actually quite nice. Performance is noticeably better on the whole...but that could just be due to it being a fresh install. I did notice a marked difference in Maya viewport speed (and in bf4 :) ) no strange issues with XSI as of yet but i did have a hell of a time setting up the sdk to build with vs2010/SDK v7.x is it worth it? if you are on a stable win7 system then i don't think so. if you want to tinker or are fed up with your sludgy 7 install then, yes, definately -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Sat, Jan 11, 2014, at 04:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx. [erojamailpleca.jpg]
Re: Windows 8
Hey thx for your thoghts Jon. I have a stable 7. Just wondering if it will be more agile for saying so. El ene 10, 2014 8:43 PM, Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm escribió: once you get rid of all the surface gubbins win8 is actually quite nice. Performance is noticeably better on the whole...but that could just be due to it being a fresh install. I did notice a marked difference in Maya viewport speed (and in bf4 :) ) no strange issues with XSI as of yet but i did have a hell of a time setting up the sdk to build with vs2010/SDK v7.x is it worth it? if you are on a stable win7 system then i don't think so. if you want to tinker or are fed up with your sludgy 7 install then, yes, definately -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Sat, Jan 11, 2014, at 04:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: I am about to install windows 8. Just wanted to ask if it is worth it or not. Any increase in performance? Strange issues with Softimage? Thx.
Re: Windows 8
I'd run it in a vm and have a proper look around before you commit to a full install. -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Sat, Jan 11, 2014, at 04:47 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: Hey thx for your thoghts Jon. I have a stable 7. Just wondering if it will be more agile for saying so.
Re: Windows 8
Install 8, upgrade to 8.1 and get any of those start is back buttons (I've got Star8 for example) and there you go, no need to even think about metro and stuff, win7 look with win8 speed and optimizations. For me it is much faster and fluid really and especially recommend it if you got comp with latest tech like SSD drives for examples, 8 is handling them better then win 7. On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 4:02 AM, Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fmwrote: I'd run it in a vm and have a proper look around before you commit to a full install. -- Jon Swindells jon_swinde...@fastmail.fm On Sat, Jan 11, 2014, at 04:47 AM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: Hey thx for your thoghts Jon. I have a stable 7. Just wondering if it will be more agile for saying so.
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Also there are a ton of free programs for synchronizing your drives on windows and I couldn't find any for OSX that didn't cost money. BTW, I'm talking about Mac programs, not unix programs. The people I work with would be completely lost if they had to do anything in a terminal. They're mac users after all. I'm just... I... I don't know where to start. I... Please don't ever make another comment about OSX users and OSX. If you do that I will promise to never post anything regarding Windows. Deal? best regards stefan -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
Wow, my simple question on Windows 8 took quite an interesting turn... For the time being I think I'll keep trying to figure out why Windows 7 is so crash-prone on my main system perhaps do a fresh install. Thanks for the lively discussion guys. Paul
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
Well... I came off a little harsh there. My apologizes, it was not intended to be that harsh. *stefan goes off and hides under a rock* I hope no one (especially Sam) wasn't offended, it was never my intention. best regards stefan andersson On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Stefan Andersson sander...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Also there are a ton of free programs for synchronizing your drives on windows and I couldn't find any for OSX that didn't cost money. BTW, I'm talking about Mac programs, not unix programs. The people I work with would be completely lost if they had to do anything in a terminal. They're mac users after all. I'm just... I... I don't know where to start. I... Please don't ever make another comment about OSX users and OSX. If you do that I will promise to never post anything regarding Windows. Deal? best regards stefan -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
They're mac users after all. You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1(check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since 1999!!!) Welcome to life after MicroSoft. I would love one that would stop the computer from asking me if I want to use an external drive for time machine every time I plug a drive A program to do what a simple system option can do? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/time_machine_option.png and also stop it from wanting to open every freaking window and program I had open every time I reboot the computer. Again... system option. And I agree about this one... annoying as hell. They switched it off by default in the latest OS version. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/restore_windows_option.png What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Video is one area in which you do not want to take this discussion :) 3D would be a better option... which honestly is even getting pretty good now. I only say this because we're posting this on the SOFTIMAGE list. Gr. I also agree with Stefan. Until you educate yourself on the matter, it's probably best to steer clear of it as a whole. Take care On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Also there are a ton of free programs for synchronizing your drives on windows and I couldn't find any for OSX that didn't cost money. BTW, I'm talking about Mac programs, not unix programs. The people I work with would be completely lost if they had to do anything in a terminal. They're mac users after all. Oh, there was one free program that I found useful. I can't think of the name at the moment, but it allows me to search drives that have not been indexed yet, and use wildcards (2 things that should have been built into the OS IMO). I would love one that would stop the computer from asking me if I want to use an external drive for time machine every time I plug a drive in and also stop it from wanting to open every freaking window and program I had open every time I reboot the computer. But apparently Apple seems to think we want to open all the same programs and windows every time we restart the computer. As far as how much I know about macs, I know that every time I've searched for a utility to help out with a job it either costs us money (and my boss does not like to part with money) or has to be done on a windows box. -Original Message- From: Gene Crucean Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:04 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? What? hehe. Is that whole $0.99 gonna break the bank for ya? Don't you think all those hard working developers deserve a little money for what they do for YOU? Regarding everything costing money: That's a complete load of crap btw. There are TONSSS of free and open source apps/tools available for OSX. There are even full blown package managers like yum/apt-get for osx... just like linux. I respect your opinion... but to me, it just says a lot about how little you know about the platform. It's HOT right now for development and there are zillions of apps made for it every day. Well maybe not zillions but there are a lot. ;) -- Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer ** Freelance for hire ** www.genecrucean.com ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
Sorry I forgot to reply to Paul. Win7 is by far the best version of windows I've used in a long time. To me, it sounds like you just need to re-install that badboy. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.comwrote: They're mac users after all. You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1(check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since 1999!!!) Welcome to life after MicroSoft. I would love one that would stop the computer from asking me if I want to use an external drive for time machine every time I plug a drive A program to do what a simple system option can do? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/time_machine_option.png and also stop it from wanting to open every freaking window and program I had open every time I reboot the computer. Again... system option. And I agree about this one... annoying as hell. They switched it off by default in the latest OS version. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/restore_windows_option.png What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Video is one area in which you do not want to take this discussion :) 3D would be a better option... which honestly is even getting pretty good now. I only say this because we're posting this on the SOFTIMAGE list. Gr. I also agree with Stefan. Until you educate yourself on the matter, it's probably best to steer clear of it as a whole. Take care On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Also there are a ton of free programs for synchronizing your drives on windows and I couldn't find any for OSX that didn't cost money. BTW, I'm talking about Mac programs, not unix programs. The people I work with would be completely lost if they had to do anything in a terminal. They're mac users after all. Oh, there was one free program that I found useful. I can't think of the name at the moment, but it allows me to search drives that have not been indexed yet, and use wildcards (2 things that should have been built into the OS IMO). I would love one that would stop the computer from asking me if I want to use an external drive for time machine every time I plug a drive in and also stop it from wanting to open every freaking window and program I had open every time I reboot the computer. But apparently Apple seems to think we want to open all the same programs and windows every time we restart the computer. As far as how much I know about macs, I know that every time I've searched for a utility to help out with a job it either costs us money (and my boss does not like to part with money) or has to be done on a windows box. -Original Message- From: Gene Crucean Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:04 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? What? hehe. Is that whole $0.99 gonna break the bank for ya? Don't you think all those hard working developers deserve a little money for what they do for YOU? Regarding everything costing money: That's a complete load of crap btw. There are TONSSS of free and open source apps/tools available for OSX. There are even full blown package managers like yum/apt-get for osx... just like linux. I respect your opinion... but to me, it just says a lot about how little you know about the platform. It's HOT right now for development and there are zillions of apps made for it every day. Well maybe not zillions but there are a lot. ;) -- Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer ** Freelance for hire ** www.genecrucean.com ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~ -- Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer ** *Freelance for hire* ** www.genecrucean.com ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.com wrote: They're mac users after all. You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since 1999!!!) As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And meaninglessly so, because that's just a measure how much traders think other traders will buy the stock for. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/
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As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. Actually Apple and Microsoft have almost identical PE ratios so their stock price vs. actual company performance (earnings) is almost identical. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.com wrote: They're mac users after all. You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since 1999!!!) As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And meaninglessly so, because that's just a measure how much traders think other traders will buy the stock for. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/
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RE: desktops are doomed Don't forget all this mobile devices are consumerist in nature - someone will somehow still have to create the content for them to consume. Desktop sales are in decline as most people realize they can survive with a tablet and a phone. In my opinion Microsoft is trying to leverage both worlds by making this hybrid system where a desktop is a professional environment you can enter if you wish so, but metro is the frontend - something most users will be spending their time in. For the record, I do not think they are even close to making it all work right now. They have invaded power-user's/enterprise's space heavily and sacrificed it in an effort to appeal to the market they desperately need a foot in. Than again, PC's have been skipping every other version of windows forever now so how is this anything new? And Gene, I agree he shouldn't be talking down to onyone based on what OS they are using... but Apple's dominance is in mobile world (in other words, iOS) and that's where their value comes from. Microsoft still owns the largest chunk of desktop market so, technically, he is offending only a small percentage of just about everyone. -Kiril On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nicolas Burtnyk nico...@redshift3d.comwrote: As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. Actually Apple and Microsoft have almost identical PE ratios so their stock price vs. actual company performance (earnings) is almost identical. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.com wrote: They're mac users after all. You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since 1999!!!) As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And meaninglessly so, because that's just a measure how much traders think other traders will buy the stock for. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/
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but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. Actually... it's cheap because why would I dump money into a stock that hasn't done jack sh** in 5 years, vs dumping money into a company that's exploding. Proof: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/AppleVsMS.png ... but feel free to defend MS every time I post something about Apple. I'm not really sure why you do that Luc. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kiril Aronofski flyone...@gmail.comwrote: RE: desktops are doomed Don't forget all this mobile devices are consumerist in nature - someone will somehow still have to create the content for them to consume. Desktop sales are in decline as most people realize they can survive with a tablet and a phone. In my opinion Microsoft is trying to leverage both worlds by making this hybrid system where a desktop is a professional environment you can enter if you wish so, but metro is the frontend - something most users will be spending their time in. For the record, I do not think they are even close to making it all work right now. They have invaded power-user's/enterprise's space heavily and sacrificed it in an effort to appeal to the market they desperately need a foot in. Than again, PC's have been skipping every other version of windows forever now so how is this anything new? And Gene, I agree he shouldn't be talking down to onyone based on what OS they are using... but Apple's dominance is in mobile world (in other words, iOS) and that's where their value comes from. Microsoft still owns the largest chunk of desktop market so, technically, he is offending only a small percentage of just about everyone. -Kiril On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nicolas Burtnyk nico...@redshift3d.comwrote: As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. Actually Apple and Microsoft have almost identical PE ratios so their stock price vs. actual company performance (earnings) is almost identical. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.com wrote: They're mac users after all. You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since 1999!!!) As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And meaninglessly so, because that's just a measure how much traders think other traders will buy the stock for. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/ -- Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer ** *Freelance for hire* ** www.genecrucean.com ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~
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That's the gambling market.. money is made by speculating about how much one could sell the stock to someone else in the future. The way the stock market was supposed to work was that you bought shares in a company in order to own part of it and get dividends, proportional to your number of shares, from that company's revenue.In any case, it's not a reflection of how many people run windows vs macs, which is how this all started. :) On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.com wrote: but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. Actually... it's cheap because why would I dump money into a stock that hasn't done jack sh** in 5 years, vs dumping money into a company that's exploding. Proof: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/AppleVsMS.png ... but feel free to defend MS every time I post something about Apple. I'm not really sure why you do that Luc. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kiril Aronofski flyone...@gmail.com wrote: RE: desktops are doomed Don't forget all this mobile devices are consumerist in nature - someone will somehow still have to create the content for them to consume. Desktop sales are in decline as most people realize they can survive with a tablet and a phone. In my opinion Microsoft is trying to leverage both worlds by making this hybrid system where a desktop is a professional environment you can enter if you wish so, but metro is the frontend - something most users will be spending their time in. For the record, I do not think they are even close to making it all work right now. They have invaded power-user's/enterprise's space heavily and sacrificed it in an effort to appeal to the market they desperately need a foot in. Than again, PC's have been skipping every other version of windows forever now so how is this anything new? And Gene, I agree he shouldn't be talking down to onyone based on what OS they are using... but Apple's dominance is in mobile world (in other words, iOS) and that's where their value comes from. Microsoft still owns the largest chunk of desktop market so, technically, he is offending only a small percentage of just about everyone. -Kiril On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nicolas Burtnyk nico...@redshift3d.com wrote: As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. Actually Apple and Microsoft have almost identical PE ratios so their stock price vs. actual company performance (earnings) is almost identical. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.com wrote: They're mac users after all. You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since 1999!!!) As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And meaninglessly so, because that's just a measure how much traders think other traders will buy the stock for. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/11/28/maximizing-shareholder-value-the-dumbest-idea-in-the-world/ -- Gene Crucean - Emmy winning - Oscar nominated VFX Supervisor / iOS-OSX Developer / Filmmaker / Photographer ** Freelance for hire ** www.genecrucean.com ~~ Please use my website's contact form on www.genecrucean.com for any personal emails. Thanks. I may not get them at this address. ~~
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Interesting how heated this is still getting when the differences are actually growing smaller every day. :-) Windows Explorer has grown as crappy as the stock Finder, but for both there are good replacements (I use XYplorer and Pathfinder but there are many). I run both systems on a MacPro and I'm happy to be able to switch - right now I have a project that needs both. I tried Windows 8 on a machine in a store lately and found Metro much less of a problem than I thought. And there already is a Classic Start Menu Version that supports Windows 8, it replaced the - IMO crappy - Win7 Startmenu for me a long time ago. I have been able to disable almost everything I ever wanted to disable on either system, from replacing the ugly start graphics (on both systems) to the automatic window-opening on OSX Lion or the zip folder functionality in Windows. On Mountain Lion, you can SaveAs again when holding CTRL and open non-signed apps also with CTRL. I guess I'll find some things to like in Win8 as well. We'll see how it all turns out :-) Cheers, Tom On 21 August 2012 20:40, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: That's the gambling market.. money is made by speculating about how much one could sell the stock to someone else in the future. The way the stock market was supposed to work was that you bought shares in a company in order to own part of it and get dividends, proportional to your number of shares, from that company's revenue.In any case, it's not a reflection of how many people run windows vs macs, which is how this all started. :) On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.com wrote: but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. Actually... it's cheap because why would I dump money into a stock that hasn't done jack sh** in 5 years, vs dumping money into a company that's exploding. Proof: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/403879/AppleVsMS.png ... but feel free to defend MS every time I post something about Apple. I'm not really sure why you do that Luc. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Kiril Aronofski flyone...@gmail.com wrote: RE: desktops are doomed Don't forget all this mobile devices are consumerist in nature - someone will somehow still have to create the content for them to consume. Desktop sales are in decline as most people realize they can survive with a tablet and a phone. In my opinion Microsoft is trying to leverage both worlds by making this hybrid system where a desktop is a professional environment you can enter if you wish so, but metro is the frontend - something most users will be spending their time in. For the record, I do not think they are even close to making it all work right now. They have invaded power-user's/enterprise's space heavily and sacrificed it in an effort to appeal to the market they desperately need a foot in. Than again, PC's have been skipping every other version of windows forever now so how is this anything new? And Gene, I agree he shouldn't be talking down to onyone based on what OS they are using... but Apple's dominance is in mobile world (in other words, iOS) and that's where their value comes from. Microsoft still owns the largest chunk of desktop market so, technically, he is offending only a small percentage of just about everyone. -Kiril On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nicolas Burtnyk nico...@redshift3d.com wrote: As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. Actually Apple and Microsoft have almost identical PE ratios so their stock price vs. actual company performance (earnings) is almost identical. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Gene Crucean emailgeneonthel...@gmail.com wrote: They're mac users after all. You know you are talking down to just about everybody these days right? Apple was just reported as the worlds most valuable company. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/story/2012-08-20/apple-most-valuable-company/57161260/1 (check the dates on that too. MS hasn't been at that valuation since 1999!!!) As you know there is no link between the valuation on the gambling market that is the stock market, and the actual results of a company. Microsoft has sold more than 650 million licenses of Windows 7 in three years, but the stock is cheap because it doesn't attract gamblers. But if we want to play that game, adjusted for inflation MS was at $853.7 billion in 1999. that number doesn't compare to apple's $623.5 billion valuation today, it went much higher. And meaninglessly so,
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Win 8 will be fine; it's already outperforming Win 7 in the benchmarks. Mac influence in the desktop world is very minor compared to Windows dominance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems Windows = 70.42% Mac = 7.46% Linux = 1.53% Daniel VFXM
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I liked Vista a lot too. If you disable some of the very stupid web oriented crap it outperforms Win7 by a good margin. I have 2 identical machines, 1 on Win7 and one on Vista and main programs such as SI, PS, Avid MC all open in half the time and run better overall and Aero works smoother. And the best thing is I can still hide the taskbar in Vista. On Win7 it's like a F*ing virus that you can't get rid of. Long live Vista. It was a real WS OS before the toys took over. On 8/18/2012 3:42 PM, Sam Bowling wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). -- _ Len Krenzler - Creative Control Media Productions Phone: 780.463.3126 www.creativecontrol.ca - l...@creativecontrol.ca
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What? hehe. Is that whole $0.99 gonna break the bank for ya? Don't you think all those hard working developers deserve a little money for what they do for YOU? Regarding everything costing money: That's a complete load of crap btw. There are TONSSS of free and open source apps/tools available for OSX. There are even full blown package managers like yum/apt-get for osx... just like linux. I respect your opinion... but to me, it just says a lot about how little you know about the platform. It's HOT right now for development and there are zillions of apps made for it every day. Well maybe not zillions but there are a lot. ;) On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: One of the big surprises when I started working at this company that uses a lot of macs was the complete lack of free utilities available on a mac. You can get almost any kind of converter/utility for windows for free, but EVERYTHING on a mac will cost you money and most of them don’t even have demo versions so you can see if it even work. Hopefully they will continue to allow people to downgrade to earlier versions of windows, but with the way they are pushing their cell phone OS they probably won’t allow it on this version. From: Martin yara Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:53 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? We gained stability directx and some other things with winXP so it was a good change from win98 and 2000. It felt like a 98 and 2000 mixed and with the SPs blue screens were pretty rare. XP 64 and Vista never felt like a finished product so Win7 64 was a huge change for designers. 2 or 3Gb per application was just not enough. This time, I just don't see any reason to upgrade. Not yet at least. It seems that the upgrade price will be quite cheap so it may be worth to give it a try, specially if there is a no Metro GUI option. Linux and OSX are quite limited in software and plugins library so I don't think they are a valid option for a designer / generalist. M.Yara On 2012/08/19, at 8:22, Andreas Bystrom andreas.byst...@gmail.com wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). From: Andreas Bystrom Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? . So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson sander...@gmail.com wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a side-note. They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau s...@shedmtl.com wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- Sylvain Lebeau // SHED V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410
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What $0.99 video format converters do you know of that will give you real professional quality results, because I couldn't find any. Also there are a ton of free programs for synchronizing your drives on windows and I couldn't find any for OSX that didn't cost money. BTW, I'm talking about Mac programs, not unix programs. The people I work with would be completely lost if they had to do anything in a terminal. They're mac users after all. Oh, there was one free program that I found useful. I can't think of the name at the moment, but it allows me to search drives that have not been indexed yet, and use wildcards (2 things that should have been built into the OS IMO). I would love one that would stop the computer from asking me if I want to use an external drive for time machine every time I plug a drive in and also stop it from wanting to open every freaking window and program I had open every time I reboot the computer. But apparently Apple seems to think we want to open all the same programs and windows every time we restart the computer. As far as how much I know about macs, I know that every time I've searched for a utility to help out with a job it either costs us money (and my boss does not like to part with money) or has to be done on a windows box. -Original Message- From: Gene Crucean Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:04 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? What? hehe. Is that whole $0.99 gonna break the bank for ya? Don't you think all those hard working developers deserve a little money for what they do for YOU? Regarding everything costing money: That's a complete load of crap btw. There are TONSSS of free and open source apps/tools available for OSX. There are even full blown package managers like yum/apt-get for osx... just like linux. I respect your opinion... but to me, it just says a lot about how little you know about the platform. It's HOT right now for development and there are zillions of apps made for it every day. Well maybe not zillions but there are a lot. ;) On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: One of the big surprises when I started working at this company that uses a lot of macs was the complete lack of free utilities available on a mac. You can get almost any kind of converter/utility for windows for free, but EVERYTHING on a mac will cost you money and most of them don’t even have demo versions so you can see if it even work. Hopefully they will continue to allow people to downgrade to earlier versions of windows, but with the way they are pushing their cell phone OS they probably won’t allow it on this version. From: Martin yara Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:53 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? We gained stability directx and some other things with winXP so it was a good change from win98 and 2000. It felt like a 98 and 2000 mixed and with the SPs blue screens were pretty rare. XP 64 and Vista never felt like a finished product so Win7 64 was a huge change for designers. 2 or 3Gb per application was just not enough. This time, I just don't see any reason to upgrade. Not yet at least. It seems that the upgrade price will be quite cheap so it may be worth to give it a try, specially if there is a no Metro GUI option. Linux and OSX are quite limited in software and plugins library so I don't think they are a valid option for a designer / generalist. M.Yara On 2012/08/19, at 8:22, Andreas Bystrom andreas.byst...@gmail.com wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). From: Andreas Bystrom Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? . So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
We gained stability directx and some other things with winXP so it was a good change from win98 and 2000. It felt like a 98 and 2000 mixed and with the SPs blue screens were pretty rare. XP 64 and Vista never felt like a finished product so Win7 64 was a huge change for designers. 2 or 3Gb per application was just not enough. This time, I just don't see any reason to upgrade. Not yet at least. It seems that the upgrade price will be quite cheap so it may be worth to give it a try, specially if there is a no Metro GUI option. Linux and OSX are quite limited in software and plugins library so I don't think they are a valid option for a designer / generalist. M.Yara On 2012/08/19, at 8:22, Andreas Bystrom andreas.byst...@gmail.com wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). *From:* Andreas Bystrom andreas.byst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? . So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson sander...@gmail.comwrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a side-note. They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau s...@shedmtl.com wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** *V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 514%20849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COMhttp://www.shedmtl.com/ http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM http://www.shedmtl.com/ postbox-contact.jpg Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine start over anyway. Thanks, Paul -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com -- Andreas Byström Lighting TD - Weta Digital -- Andreas Byström Lighting TD - Weta Digital
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One of the big surprises when I started working at this company that uses a lot of macs was the complete lack of free utilities available on a mac. You can get almost any kind of converter/utility for windows for free, but EVERYTHING on a mac will cost you money and most of them don’t even have demo versions so you can see if it even work. Hopefully they will continue to allow people to downgrade to earlier versions of windows, but with the way they are pushing their cell phone OS they probably won’t allow it on this version. From: Martin yara Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:53 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? We gained stability directx and some other things with winXP so it was a good change from win98 and 2000. It felt like a 98 and 2000 mixed and with the SPs blue screens were pretty rare. XP 64 and Vista never felt like a finished product so Win7 64 was a huge change for designers. 2 or 3Gb per application was just not enough. This time, I just don't see any reason to upgrade. Not yet at least. It seems that the upgrade price will be quite cheap so it may be worth to give it a try, specially if there is a no Metro GUI option. Linux and OSX are quite limited in software and plugins library so I don't think they are a valid option for a designer / generalist. M.Yara On 2012/08/19, at 8:22, Andreas Bystrom andreas.byst...@gmail.com wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). From: Andreas Bystrom Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? . So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson sander...@gmail.com wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a side-note. They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau s...@shedmtl.com wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- Sylvain Lebeau // SHED V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM postbox-contact.jpg Paul Griswold Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under
Re: Windows 8 - anyone?
It's not possible to turn it back to win7, but it's my understanding that it's only the Start menu you'd miss when you run the desktop? It's on the ARM that the desktop might go away, but on intel i'm pretty sure it's here to stay. On Aug 17, 2012 10:50 PM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: Interesting because no one seems to have been able to find it yet. I haven’t tried the actual RTM version. *From:* Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2012 7:39 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* RE: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Microsoft stated Windows 7 mode would be retained, but you would have to activate it from the control panel. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Bowling *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2012 7:33 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? I tried out the release preview on my laptop and windows 8 is crap. The only reason this exists is so Microsoft can leverage their desktop OS to get people you use their extremely unpopular Phone OS. They have literally removed everything that made windows 7 so popular (start menu, quick searches, etc.). Now you are forced to move your mouse all over the screen to the “hot corners” or “hot edges” to get to all the features you used to easily get to with the start menu. You load to the Phone OS screen and the desktop is now an “app” that you run your “legacy apps” in (IOW, where the real programs run). All the new phone apps load full screen and can not be windowed. That means that all the little helper programs to run in small windows will now load FULL SCREEN. They have basically put a GUI on DOS and added in task swapping. None of the new apps can run in the background as far as I have been able to tell, so they all basically go into hibernation (to save battery life... as if my PC runs on batteries.) when you switch apps, so multitasking is dead unless you are running “Legacy apps” on the Legacy desktop (which they say they will be removing). They want you to buy all these touch enabled tablet things for your PC, so your PC can be as useful as your laptop when you don’t have a mouse. Unlike all the other Windows releases, you can not go back to the older interface style. It has all been physically remove from the OS leaving you with only one choice (even though it was all there in the initial developers preview). * *** Windows 8 is pure rubbish with a clunky, sickening, eye wrenching phone interface plugged on top of it and it has made me do something none of the other OS makers have ever been able to do. I have now seriously considered moving to another OS/Platform. This thing is even more dumbed down than OSX and that is something that I didn’t think was possible. I really tried to get used to windows 8, but I just feel handicapped on that OS. If they don’t do some serious backpedaling in the future I will be moving to something else. I predict that Linux and mac “sales” will increase dramatically over the next few years. *From:* Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2012 9:18 AM *To:* Softimage Mailing list softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* OT: Windows 8 - anyone? My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine start over anyway.*** * Thanks, Paul
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You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). From: Andreas Bystrom Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? . So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson sander...@gmail.com wrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a side-note. They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau s...@shedmtl.com wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- Sylvain Lebeau // SHED V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COM http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM Paul Griswold Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine start over anyway. Thanks, Paul -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com -- Andreas Byström Lighting TD - Weta Digital postbox-contact.jpg
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We use macs where I work and upgraded last year, right after Lion came out. Quicktime is just garbage compared to what it used to be and even with the latest updates, the OS is still full of bugs (especially if you use 2 monitors). Maybe with Jobs out of the way things will improve, but I sort of doubt it. Apple tends to think different from normal people. -Original Message- From: Tim Leydecker Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:14 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Is this latest news? The late 2012 MacPros are, umhh, not impressive but apple mgmnt has promised something really great for next year... I wonder how much this is a result of Jobs gone (r.i.p.) and Intel not feeling any pressure to make Xeons competitive in terms of price against performance? The 2008 MacPro´s beat Dell/HP/Lenovo both in terms of price and style and opened a big chunk of market to the MacPro by making them run really nice with windows. ... Maybe we don´t need content creation artists using dedicated hardware anymore? There´s enough cloud apps to instantly create nice images and rights-managed stuff billed by the click to get rid of pesky artists blocking the retina already? And there´s always india, china and millions of young, idealistic interns to pull from? ... I would also like to have a solid, clutter free workstation without any license/transfer hassle I can use productively for content creation using stable and reliably tools plus betas where it makes sense. But maybe I´m old-fashioned and should just wave off (using a gesture involving my middle finger?) Cheers, tim On 18.08.2012 05:01, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** *V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 F 514 849-5025WWW.SHEDMTL.COM http://www.shedmtl.com/http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM http://www.shedmtl.com/ Paul Griswold mailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine start over anyway. Thanks, Paul
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Have you seen what they did to the File Explorer? The ribbon was a bad ide and now it’s spread to the file browser like some kind of bad virus. Have been a windows user for over 20 years I was surprised that I had to look up on the web how to restart the computer. Just follow these simple steps... SarcasmSo much easier than Startshutdown/restart /Sarcasm http://www.karthikk.net/2011/09/shutdown-restart-in-windows-8-how-to/ I love the way you have to constantly jump from the left side of the screen to the right side of the screen for everything in this OS. So much easier than having everything in one place. From: Luc-Eric Rousseau Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:53 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Windows 8 - anyone? It's not possible to turn it back to win7, but it's my understanding that it's only the Start menu you'd miss when you run the desktop? It's on the ARM that the desktop might go away, but on intel i'm pretty sure it's here to stay. On Aug 17, 2012 10:50 PM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: Interesting because no one seems to have been able to find it yet. I haven’t tried the actual RTM version. From: Matt Lind Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:39 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Microsoft stated Windows 7 mode would be retained, but you would have to activate it from the control panel. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sam Bowling Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:33 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? I tried out the release preview on my laptop and windows 8 is crap. The only reason this exists is so Microsoft can leverage their desktop OS to get people you use their extremely unpopular Phone OS. They have literally removed everything that made windows 7 so popular (start menu, quick searches, etc.). Now you are forced to move your mouse all over the screen to the “hot corners” or “hot edges” to get to all the features you used to easily get to with the start menu. You load to the Phone OS screen and the desktop is now an “app” that you run your “legacy apps” in (IOW, where the real programs run). All the new phone apps load full screen and can not be windowed. That means that all the little helper programs to run in small windows will now load FULL SCREEN. They have basically put a GUI on DOS and added in task swapping. None of the new apps can run in the background as far as I have been able to tell, so they all basically go into hibernation (to save battery life... as if my PC runs on batteries.) when you switch apps, so multitasking is dead unless you are running “Legacy apps” on the Legacy desktop (which they say they will be removing). They want you to buy all these touch enabled tablet things for your PC, so your PC can be as useful as your laptop when you don’t have a mouse. Unlike all the other Windows releases, you can not go back to the older interface style. It has all been physically remove from the OS leaving you with only one choice (even though it was all there in the initial developers preview). Windows 8 is pure rubbish with a clunky, sickening, eye wrenching phone interface plugged on top of it and it has made me do something none of the other OS makers have ever been able to do. I have now seriously considered moving to another OS/Platform. This thing is even more dumbed down than OSX and that is something that I didn’t think was possible. I really tried to get used to windows 8, but I just feel handicapped on that OS. If they don’t do some serious backpedaling in the future I will be moving to something else. I predict that Linux and mac “sales” will increase dramatically over the next few years. From: Paul Griswold Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:18 AM To: Softimage Mailing list Subject: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine start over anyway. Thanks, Paul
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You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). ofcourse, there are still people using win2k/nt even. also i did not forget vista, i ran it myself for years and was quite happy with it, win7 is better but overall vista wasn't that terrible either. also having used Linux for almost 2 years at work I've realized you can get used to and be quite happy with anything, its just a matter of using it long enough really, even though I still would never bother using linux at home.. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote: You realize that there are still a ton of people that are still running windows XP, right? You also seem to be forgetting Vista (which I actually liked, but most other people didn’t). *From:* Andreas Bystrom andreas.byst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:05 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? . So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. hmm, it's not april did hell just freeze over? actually the day alan jones writes something like that will be the day hell truly freezes over.. on a serious note, for every single windows release that's about to come out since win2k I've heard the same exact thing this will be terrible, I'm staying with win forever yet those same people somehow upgraded throughout the years and found themselves quite happy... On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Andersson sander...@gmail.comwrote: It's not any better in the Linux Camp. Everyone is moving towards tablet use. But what boggles me is that... how can the developers themselves stand it? On a side note. I've been using Linux for a long time now, but got fed up with crappy wacom drivers and the crippled paint applications. So... I've installed Windows7 on my workstation at home. And so far I'm really impressed with the speed and the response from the system. Softimage works a lot smoother on Windows7 than on CentOS 6.3. Anyhow, going to take a shower now since I feel quite dirty. And I think Windows 8 will be as Vista, a side-note. They are already talking about Windows9. regards stefan On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Sylvain Lebeau s...@shedmtl.com wrote: this makes me think about Apple rumour to let go the dev on the mac pros... Seem's everybody is going nuts on the mobile thing. And all professional market get's ignored!! i wont be able to do Arnold render regions on my f-ing iphone! wtf is going on with these guys!? sly -- *Sylvain Lebeau // SHED** *V-P/Visual effects supervisor 1410, RUE STANLEY, 11E ÉTAGE MONTRÉAL (QUÉBEC) H3A 1P8 T 514 849-1555 514%20849-1555 F 514 849-5025 WWW.SHEDMTL.COMhttp://www.shedmtl.com/ http://WWW.SHEDMTL.COM http://www.shedmtl.com/ Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com Friday, August 17, 2012 12:18 PM My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine start over anyway. Thanks, Paul -- stefan andersson - digital janitor - http://sanders3d.wordpress.com -- Andreas Byström Lighting TD - Weta Digital -- Andreas Byström Lighting TD - Weta Digital postbox-contact.jpg
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Interesting because no one seems to have been able to find it yet. I haven’t tried the actual RTM version. From: Matt Lind Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:39 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? Microsoft stated Windows 7 mode would be retained, but you would have to activate it from the control panel. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sam Bowling Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:33 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? I tried out the release preview on my laptop and windows 8 is crap. The only reason this exists is so Microsoft can leverage their desktop OS to get people you use their extremely unpopular Phone OS. They have literally removed everything that made windows 7 so popular (start menu, quick searches, etc.). Now you are forced to move your mouse all over the screen to the “hot corners” or “hot edges” to get to all the features you used to easily get to with the start menu. You load to the Phone OS screen and the desktop is now an “app” that you run your “legacy apps” in (IOW, where the real programs run). All the new phone apps load full screen and can not be windowed. That means that all the little helper programs to run in small windows will now load FULL SCREEN. They have basically put a GUI on DOS and added in task swapping. None of the new apps can run in the background as far as I have been able to tell, so they all basically go into hibernation (to save battery life... as if my PC runs on batteries.) when you switch apps, so multitasking is dead unless you are running “Legacy apps” on the Legacy desktop (which they say they will be removing). They want you to buy all these touch enabled tablet things for your PC, so your PC can be as useful as your laptop when you don’t have a mouse. Unlike all the other Windows releases, you can not go back to the older interface style. It has all been physically remove from the OS leaving you with only one choice (even though it was all there in the initial developers preview). Windows 8 is pure rubbish with a clunky, sickening, eye wrenching phone interface plugged on top of it and it has made me do something none of the other OS makers have ever been able to do. I have now seriously considered moving to another OS/Platform. This thing is even more dumbed down than OSX and that is something that I didn’t think was possible. I really tried to get used to windows 8, but I just feel handicapped on that OS. If they don’t do some serious backpedaling in the future I will be moving to something else. I predict that Linux and mac “sales” will increase dramatically over the next few years. From: Paul Griswold Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:18 AM To: Softimage Mailing list Subject: OT: Windows 8 - anyone? My main Win 7 workstation has been really acting flaky lately. Microsoft has just release Windows 8 RTM, so I was wondering if anyone had tested it out yet? I realize there are plenty of opinions on the whole Metro interface, but I'm just wondering if it's stable and if Softimage will run under it. I need to take a weekend and reformat this machine start over anyway. Thanks, Paul
