RE: The shadow over The Foundry
Sad times. Oh wait, I forgot...the future for Modo is bright! From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jim Yeh Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:53 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: The shadow over The Foundry sold! On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: We have cut our Adobe licences from over 100 to just 45. The unfortunate thing which doesn't seem to be mentioned is that Adobe locks you into a 3 year contract in education . ie I cant drop my licences to say 30 next year. So much for flexibility and affordability. Luckily our game design academics are pro open source , and as much as not having Softimage annoys me Autodesk EDU policies are first rate. Sketch Book Pro is now taking care of all of our concept stuff, and we are looking to folks like Algorithmic for texturing. So once our indentured servitude to Adobe runs out thats it for us. If Modo and Nuke are Adobe products by then, there are alternatives. _ From: Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] [j.ponthi...@nasa.gov] Sent: 30 April 2015 05:53 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry One has to wonder how many others are starting to evaluate or recognize the consequences of Cloud’s long term costs and scalability costs. The thing that surprised me the most was their encouragement of the use of alternative applications: http://art.buffalo.edu/2014/01/10/alternatives-to-adobe-creative-cloud/ http://art.buffalo.edu/2014/01/10/alternatives-to-adobe-creative-cloud/ -- Joey __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:08 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry I so agree with that. Unfortunately our Academics are still stuck in the have to use the market standard age. drives me insane. Luckily I have been at long last been allowed to bring one of the macs home , Can install everything. Create a drive image and use that to clone the rest. So at least our redo of the machines mid year wont drive me to distraction. It also amazes me that people don't do the subscription math over 3 or more years. Once the suck you in deals are gone its far more expensive. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: The shadow over The Foundry
Didn't go to Autodesk or Adobe though, some investment firm called HGCapital. They were owned by the Carlyle group previously, who's focus is also not effects, so it's too early to speculate on what changes will be made. On 21 May 2015 at 22:33, Sven Constable sixsi_l...@imagefront.de wrote: Sad times. Oh wait, I forgot...the future for Modo is bright! *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Yeh *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:53 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: The shadow over The Foundry sold! On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: We have cut our Adobe licences from over 100 to just 45. The unfortunate thing which doesn't seem to be mentioned is that Adobe locks you into a 3 year contract in education . ie I cant drop my licences to say 30 next year. So much for flexibility and affordability. Luckily our game design academics are pro open source , and as much as not having Softimage annoys me Autodesk EDU policies are first rate. Sketch Book Pro is now taking care of all of our concept stuff, and we are looking to folks like Algorithmic for texturing. So once our indentured servitude to Adobe runs out thats it for us. If Modo and Nuke are Adobe products by then, there are alternatives. -- *From:* Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] [j.ponthi...@nasa.gov] *Sent:* 30 April 2015 05:53 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* RE: The shadow over The Foundry One has to wonder how many others are starting to evaluate or recognize the consequences of Cloud’s long term costs and scalability costs. The thing that surprised me the most was their encouragement of the use of alternative applications: http://art.buffalo.edu/2014/01/10/alternatives-to-adobe-creative-cloud/ -- Joey __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Angus Davidson *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:08 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* RE: The shadow over The Foundry I so agree with that. Unfortunately our Academics are still stuck in the have to use the market standard age. drives me insane. Luckily I have been at long last been allowed to bring one of the macs home , Can install everything. Create a drive image and use that to clone the rest. So at least our redo of the machines mid year wont drive me to distraction. It also amazes me that people don't do the subscription math over 3 or more years. Once the suck you in deals are gone its far more expensive. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: The shadow over The Foundry
sold! On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: We have cut our Adobe licences from over 100 to just 45. The unfortunate thing which doesn't seem to be mentioned is that Adobe locks you into a 3 year contract in education . ie I cant drop my licences to say 30 next year. So much for flexibility and affordability. Luckily our game design academics are pro open source , and as much as not having Softimage annoys me Autodesk EDU policies are first rate. Sketch Book Pro is now taking care of all of our concept stuff, and we are looking to folks like Algorithmic for texturing. So once our indentured servitude to Adobe runs out thats it for us. If Modo and Nuke are Adobe products by then, there are alternatives. -- *From:* Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] [j.ponthi...@nasa.gov] *Sent:* 30 April 2015 05:53 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* RE: The shadow over The Foundry One has to wonder how many others are starting to evaluate or recognize the consequences of Cloud’s long term costs and scalability costs. The thing that surprised me the most was their encouragement of the use of alternative applications: http://art.buffalo.edu/2014/01/10/alternatives-to-adobe-creative-cloud/ -- Joey __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Angus Davidson *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:08 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* RE: The shadow over The Foundry I so agree with that. Unfortunately our Academics are still stuck in the have to use the market standard age. drives me insane. Luckily I have been at long last been allowed to bring one of the macs home , Can install everything. Create a drive image and use that to clone the rest. So at least our redo of the machines mid year wont drive me to distraction. It also amazes me that people don't do the subscription math over 3 or more years. Once the suck you in deals are gone its far more expensive. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
RE: The shadow over The Foundry
On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence Hmm, but if your university has a network which is not connected to the internet because of security and virus issues in the past, you cannot use CC Afaik a few universities did not upgrade to CC. Holger Schönberger technical director The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night _ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:52 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence it would mean no separate licences for Modo. Yes thats me looking really hard for a silver lining ;) _ From: Simon Reeves [si...@simonreeves.com] Sent: 27 April 2015 03:36 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: The shadow over The Foundry great quote Simon Reeves London, UK si...@simonreeves.com www.simonreeves.com www.analogstudio.co.uk On 27 April 2015 at 14:06, Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nl wrote: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company has recently launched a concept design software product http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind -the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effec ts-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nl This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
RE: The shadow over The Foundry
I so agree with that. Unfortunately our Academics are still stuck in the have to use the market standard age. drives me insane. Luckily I have been at long last been allowed to bring one of the macs home , Can install everything. Create a drive image and use that to clone the rest. So at least our redo of the machines mid year wont drive me to distraction. It also amazes me that people don't do the subscription math over 3 or more years. Once the suck you in deals are gone its far more expensive. From: Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] [j.ponthi...@nasa.gov] Sent: 30 April 2015 03:42 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry http://art.buffalo.edu/2014/01/10/recommendations-to-students-regarding-adobe-creative-cloud/ -- Joey __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Schoenberger Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:58 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence Hmm, but if your university has a network which is not connected to the internet because of security and virus issues in the past, you cannot use CC Afaik a few universities did not upgrade to CC. Holger Schönberger technical director The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:52 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence it would mean no separate licences for Modo. Yes thats me looking really hard for a silver lining ;) From: Simon Reeves [si...@simonreeves.com] Sent: 27 April 2015 03:36 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: The shadow over The Foundry great quote Simon Reeves London, UK si...@simonreeves.commailto:si...@simonreeves.com www.simonreeves.comhttp://www.simonreeves.com www.analogstudio.co.ukhttp://www.analogstudio.co.uk On 27 April 2015 at 14:06, Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nlmailto:ron...@toonafish.nl wrote: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company has recently launched a concept design software producthttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.commailto:jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.commailto:3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the articlehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nlhttp://www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nlhttp://www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nlmailto:ron...@toonafish.nl This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /TABLE table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication
RE: The shadow over The Foundry
http://art.buffalo.edu/2014/01/10/recommendations-to-students-regarding-adobe-creative-cloud/ -- Joey __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Schoenberger Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:58 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence Hmm, but if your university has a network which is not connected to the internet because of security and virus issues in the past, you cannot use CC Afaik a few universities did not upgrade to CC. Holger Schönberger technical director The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:52 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence it would mean no separate licences for Modo. Yes thats me looking really hard for a silver lining ;) From: Simon Reeves [si...@simonreeves.com] Sent: 27 April 2015 03:36 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: The shadow over The Foundry great quote Simon Reeves London, UK si...@simonreeves.commailto:si...@simonreeves.com www.simonreeves.comhttp://www.simonreeves.com www.analogstudio.co.ukhttp://www.analogstudio.co.uk On 27 April 2015 at 14:06, Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nlmailto:ron...@toonafish.nl wrote: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company has recently launched a concept design software producthttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.commailto:jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.commailto:3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the articlehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nlhttp://www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nlhttp://www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nlmailto:ron...@toonafish.nl This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /TABLE
RE: The shadow over The Foundry
One has to wonder how many others are starting to evaluate or recognize the consequences of Cloud's long term costs and scalability costs. The thing that surprised me the most was their encouragement of the use of alternative applications: http://art.buffalo.edu/2014/01/10/alternatives-to-adobe-creative-cloud/ -- Joey __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:08 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry I so agree with that. Unfortunately our Academics are still stuck in the have to use the market standard age. drives me insane. Luckily I have been at long last been allowed to bring one of the macs home , Can install everything. Create a drive image and use that to clone the rest. So at least our redo of the machines mid year wont drive me to distraction. It also amazes me that people don't do the subscription math over 3 or more years. Once the suck you in deals are gone its far more expensive. From: Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] [j.ponthi...@nasa.gov] Sent: 30 April 2015 03:42 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry http://art.buffalo.edu/2014/01/10/recommendations-to-students-regarding-adobe-creative-cloud/ -- Joey __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Schoenberger Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 4:58 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence Hmm, but if your university has a network which is not connected to the internet because of security and virus issues in the past, you cannot use CC Afaik a few universities did not upgrade to CC. Holger Schönberger technical director The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:52 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence it would mean no separate licences for Modo. Yes thats me looking really hard for a silver lining ;) From: Simon Reeves [si...@simonreeves.com] Sent: 27 April 2015 03:36 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: The shadow over The Foundry great quote Simon Reeves London, UK si...@simonreeves.commailto:si...@simonreeves.com www.simonreeves.comhttp://www.simonreeves.com www.analogstudio.co.ukhttp://www.analogstudio.co.uk On 27 April 2015 at 14:06, Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nlmailto:ron...@toonafish.nl wrote: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company has recently launched a concept design software producthttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.commailto:jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.commailto:3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the articlehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nlhttp://www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nlhttp://www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nlmailto:ron...@toonafish.nl This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately
RE: The shadow over The Foundry
We have cut our Adobe licences from over 100 to just 45. The unfortunate thing which doesn't seem to be mentioned is that Adobe locks you into a 3 year contract in education . ie I cant drop my licences to say 30 next year. So much for flexibility and affordability. Luckily our game design academics are pro open source , and as much as not having Softimage annoys me Autodesk EDU policies are first rate. Sketch Book Pro is now taking care of all of our concept stuff, and we are looking to folks like Algorithmic for texturing. So once our indentured servitude to Adobe runs out thats it for us. If Modo and Nuke are Adobe products by then, there are alternatives. From: Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] [j.ponthi...@nasa.gov] Sent: 30 April 2015 05:53 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry One has to wonder how many others are starting to evaluate or recognize the consequences of Cloud’s long term costs and scalability costs. The thing that surprised me the most was their encouragement of the use of alternative applications: http://art.buffalo.edu/2014/01/10/alternatives-to-adobe-creative-cloud/ -- Joey __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:08 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: The shadow over The Foundry I so agree with that. Unfortunately our Academics are still stuck in the have to use the market standard age. drives me insane. Luckily I have been at long last been allowed to bring one of the macs home , Can install everything. Create a drive image and use that to clone the rest. So at least our redo of the machines mid year wont drive me to distraction. It also amazes me that people don't do the subscription math over 3 or more years. Once the suck you in deals are gone its far more expensive. table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /span/font/td /tr /table
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I totally understand what you are saying, Greg, and I see that a lot with AE. I see one person having a more stable experience, others having a less stable experience. Another with a great experience, another with intense hatred. And on and on. On the whole, in my experience and with the majority of the people I have asked, it seems more people are having issues with AE than ever before. I certainly don't doubt that you have had better experiences with it lately, and I am happy for that! On the other hand, Andy and Angus are correct about the installer. The swears that I came up with while trying to install that thing were quite unique. Anyway, what it comes down to for me, regarding this possible news is that less competition is never a good thing for the consumer. I hope this is just a rumor or if it is accurate, it doesn't come to be. Less competition would be bad, for everyone of us. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Greg Punchatz g...@janimation.com wrote: Not my experience Perry, AE was unusable in my opinion until the last couple of versions or so... I had a hate for that program that ran deep until recent releases, but improvements recently has made it palatable for me. The momentum of Adobe since the move to the subscription based model, seems to me, to have improved the way they are improving things for the long term. Premiere has almost completely taken back all of the Final Cut market by creating a stronger product line..and is eating into avid sales BIG TIME. I am not sure where all this Adobe hate comes from, but they have always been the lesser evil to me. My 2cents On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com wrote: Well put Perry, exactly my thoughts! Speaking of Fusion: I had the pleasure of using the free version last week for 7 consecutive days in a a row, 10 hrs a day. It was blazingly fast (compared to AE anyway), did not crash once, and the look of the node tree was pleasing enough to not make my eyes bleed (as opposed to Nuke's). Even the pro version is a bargain for $1000 for what you get. +1 on all Totally agree. This news sickened me and if true, could mean great things for Fusion and nothing but bad news for the rest. I've seen the usability and stability of After Effects (AE) decline sharply over the timeframe that AE has been a rental product. Updates cause problems instead of fixing them and development has slowed (even further). Not so with Nuke. Adobe wants VFX to be accessible to the consumer, and while I don't discount the research they have done, some of which has been quite amazing, most of their focus has been on one button type of VFX solutions and not on stability and flexibility, which is what we need and what The Foundry supplies software that excels in. Rotobrush, PuppetTool, CameraTracker all designed to make as close to a one button solution as possible. These tools works great in certain situations, but when the shot gets tough, you quickly run out of options. Nuke is nothing but options, and is far more ICE-like than AE is. Having something as flexible as Nuke owned by a company that has a huge competitive market-dominating product like AE, should send chills up your spine as to how closely it matches the Autodesk Maya/Soft debacle. Sent from my iPhone Please excuse typos and brief replies. Thank you! On Apr 28, 2015, at 2:05 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: AD owned and produced a lot of stuff over the years. The various acquisitions you are thinking of in the ME group are a drop in the ocean that is their arch, viz, CAM/CAE budgets. Alias was bought for studio and the inlet in industrial CAM they missed at the time. Maya in and of itself is probably not scratching 3 or 4% of their revenue and I doubt Soft even made it to an integer number. Adobe is already a bigger company than AD for the record, and has MORE of a monopoly on its market segments than AD does. They beat AD in revenue and net by a factor of two most years. Again, I don't know what Adobe you guys are thinking of, but the one I know of is nothing to hope for. They make EA sports and AD ME look positively benign in the VFX geography. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: If I remember correcty Autodesk, before the big buyout in recent yearsm had only Autocad and 3ds to carry on and make good money...when they start acquiring Alias and all the others they establish themself as the company to go, simply because they were the owners. For me Adobe could possibly be the next Autodesk, but I really hope I'm wrong. 2015-04-28 7:24 GMT+02:00 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com: There must be another company named Adobe I'm not aware of... Adobe has had nothing but contempt for VFX for years, and people would actually get on board with this? If there is any truth to these
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Premiere and AE are not the source of the angst. Photoshop and “software as a service” is. -- Joey __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andy Goehler Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 12:32 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: The shadow over The Foundry On Apr 29, 2015, at 04:35, Greg Punchatz g...@janimation.commailto:g...@janimation.com wrote: I am not sure where all this Adobe hate comes from,… It starts with the installer… Andy
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Well put Perry, exactly my thoughts! Speaking of Fusion: I had the pleasure of using the free version last week for 7 consecutive days in a a row, 10 hrs a day. It was blazingly fast (compared to AE anyway), did not crash once, and the look of the node tree was pleasing enough to not make my eyes bleed (as opposed to Nuke's). Even the pro version is a bargain for $1000 for what you get. +1 on all Totally agree. This news sickened me and if true, could mean great things for Fusion and nothing but bad news for the rest. I've seen the usability and stability of After Effects (AE) decline sharply over the timeframe that AE has been a rental product. Updates cause problems instead of fixing them and development has slowed (even further). Not so with Nuke. Adobe wants VFX to be accessible to the consumer, and while I don't discount the research they have done, some of which has been quite amazing, most of their focus has been on one button type of VFX solutions and not on stability and flexibility, which is what we need and what The Foundry supplies software that excels in. Rotobrush, PuppetTool, CameraTracker all designed to make as close to a one button solution as possible. These tools works great in certain situations, but when the shot gets tough, you quickly run out of options. Nuke is nothing but options, and is far more ICE-like than AE is. Having something as flexible as Nuke owned by a company that has a huge competitive market-dominating product like AE, should send chills up your spine as to how closely it matches the Autodesk Maya/Soft debacle. Sent from my iPhone Please excuse typos and brief replies.Thank you! On Apr 28, 2015, at 2:05 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: AD owned and produced a lot of stuff over the years. The various acquisitions you are thinking of in the ME group are a drop in the ocean that is their arch, viz, CAM/CAE budgets. Alias was bought for studio and the inlet in industrial CAM they missed at the time. Maya in and of itself is probably not scratching 3 or 4% of their revenue and I doubt Soft even made it to an integer number. Adobe is already a bigger company than AD for the record, and has MORE of a monopoly on its market segments than AD does. They beat AD in revenue and net by a factor of two most years. Again, I don't know what Adobe you guys are thinking of, but the one I know of is nothing to hope for. They make EA sports and AD ME look positively benign in the VFX geography. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: If I remember correcty Autodesk, before the big buyout in recent yearsm had only Autocad and 3ds to carry on and make good money...when they start acquiring Alias and all the others they establish themself as the company to go, simply because they were the owners. For me Adobe could possibly be the next Autodesk, but I really hope I'm wrong. 2015-04-28 7:24 GMT+02:00 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com: There must be another company named Adobe I'm not aware of... Adobe has had nothing but contempt for VFX for years, and people would actually get on board with this? If there is any truth to these incompetently written piece of news whatsoever, and that's pretty much 50/50 at best, be ready to rent. Windows and half arsed Mac ports only, of course. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Tenshi S. tenshu...@gmail.com wrote: Better Adobe than Autode$k. Is the less bad co. between both. --Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- --- Stefan Kubicek --- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43/699/12614231 www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are -- --confidential and for the recipient only--
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And if you have to install into a 3 x 30 seater labs behind a double proxy, hate turns to anger. I have heard a lot of what Perry is saying in our Freelance community. South Africa is AE heavy as for a long time it was the only comp package you could easily buy. A lot of what I am hearing is when some person upgrades and either the client or a team member doesnt. It also seems to cause a lot of issues with plugins that stop working as you go from version to version. Ive come in with Fusion a few times (my limited experience with it notwithstanding) and redone comps for folks. One of which has now drop kicked AE and is using fusion full time now. We will most likely use Fusion for our 3d course as its pretty intuitive and easily handles the demands our students have. It also renders a crap load faster on our hardware, which is a plus. From: Andy Goehler [lists.andy.goeh...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 April 2015 06:32 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: The shadow over The Foundry On Apr 29, 2015, at 04:35, Greg Punchatz g...@janimation.commailto:g...@janimation.com wrote: I am not sure where all this Adobe hate comes from,… It starts with the installer… Andy table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /span/font/td /tr /table
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There is a chance good things arise from The Foundry being put to the market. Personally, I´m not a fan of the recent year´s trends to put all sorts of flashy sugar coating on a bundle of applications, force support subscription down the throat along with swallowing the deal or now even trying to re-label everything as just a service instead of an ownership over a specific piece of software. These business models maximize milking the user, there are chances for a bargain but only for throwing away any type of long-time customer relationship to a specific piece of tool supplier and instead being willing to go for a shopping every time, for every project all over again, if only to be able to get better cards in hands. The looser is the artist, while a production may decide it´s cheaper to switch packages for a 5% gain and even the added hassle to find new artists may result in cheaper, frighened artists willing to jump at the new tools just to get that job or keep their job. Production not needing to commit means artist left in the cold, on call or not. No need for a booking confirmation or generally any type of manners at all when dealing with artists scratching at the door for a job, after being laid off with a few days notice (if at all). In the last twenty years, I didn´t see much change in the way production will budget jobs but I´ve seen more than enough of the effect of productions getting a job without knowing blip about the tools or workflows required to accomplish the task. Now add to that on-demand software services and it´s just a very small step to some idiot first calling out for on-demand artists and bitching about those unflexible freelancers not capable to adapt quickly enough to the professional demands production is setting up for them... You´ll end up getting to sit at a misc machine, some sort of software subscription package running on it, you may have to share the license with someone, producer won´t be able to tell you anything about filestructure except you should know and adhere to it and the deadline is tonight. Surprise. What does that have to do with the Foundry? Or Autodesk or Adobe? There is room for improvement and it´s going to be the artists that´ll jump ship first simply because they are feed up of that whole business BS and dealing with short-sighted, greedy cocker spaniels. Imho, Nuke is overpriced, Adobe´s Flash is a crashy security risk and Autodesk´s software as a service ideas will force me away. Cheers, tim Am 28.04.2015 um 08:43 schrieb pedro santos: Raffaele, the thing is nothing like Photoshop has risen yet, right? Little competition there unlike say, MAX. They certainly cemented their position with applications integration and the acquisition of Macromedia, which had some overlap with Fireworks and Freehand, even being web-oriented, in tune to the why of the whole acquisition. Corel vanished. They are also in a good spot in video due to Apple mess up. Avid and Final Cut where a reference and now there's... Premiere... My point being. Even though they are big, was it through wrong doing? I guess we can all point enduring pains in Photoshop, After Effects, etc, but the focus of their products is not VFX, but design, so I don't understand how you turn that in contempt. Plus of the package Nuke is the only VFX venue right? Modo is not quite there yet. And your point about Maya being 3-4% tells more about the value of this division to AD than the value to Adobe. Anyways, I agree with Cristobal Infante to some degree, strange piece of news... Sent you an email Raffaele.
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Affinity Photo is Mac only, so no threat to PS at all. If they went all platforms, than maybe they might make a little dent. Krita is starting to get really nice, expecially the 32 bit painting features are great. But no real threat either. And as long as they don't have 100% file compatibility in and out, it will be a slow path. What ever happens to TheFoundry, if they start doing subscriptions after the sale there will be a very angry mob of Modo users, that's for sure. I also think 901 will more or less define the future for Modo. And I agree on Nuke being too expensive. Especially now that Fusion Studio is less than a fourth of the price of a basic Nuke. And the difference in features doesn't really justify the price difference for most of us. Oh... and no maintenance fees. my € 0.02... Rob \/-\/\/ On 28-4-2015 9:41, Angus Davidson wrote: Well Affinity Photo is definitely already there and its still in Beta. Pretty much for a fraction of the cost. Similarly for their Affinity Designer product. Krita is also catching up very quickly . Adobes issues start at the end of next year when the first of their 3 year deals becomes due. Most of their revenue comes from theses negotiated deals. However they have locked people into them. The playing field will be very different in a years time. Strategically its makes sense for Adobe to make this purchase. They need to expand their offerings and the selling price for the Foundry bundles makes for a very good profit margin. Wether this was just a strategic leak from TF to improve the buying price still remains to be seen. I still hope its neither AD or Adobe that does buy them. On 28 Apr 2015, at 8:43 AM, pedro santos probi...@gmail.com mailto:probi...@gmail.com wrote: Raffaele, the thing is nothing like Photoshop has risen yet, right? Little competition there unlike say, MAX. They certainly cemented their position with applications integration and the acquisition of Macromedia, which had some overlap with Fireworks and Freehand, even being web-oriented, in tune to the why of the whole acquisition. Corel vanished. They are also in a good spot in video due to Apple mess up. Avid and Final Cut where a reference and now there's... Premiere... My point being. Even though they are big, was it through wrong doing? I guess we can all point enduring pains in Photoshop, After Effects, etc, but the focus of their products is not VFX, but design, so I don't understand how you turn that in contempt. Plus of the package Nuke is the only VFX venue right? Modo is not quite there yet. And your point about Maya being 3-4% tells more about the value of this division to AD than the value to Adobe. Anyways, I agree with Cristobal Infante to some degree, strange piece of news... Sent you an email Raffaele. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4334/9645 - Release Date: 04/28/15 This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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AD owned and produced a lot of stuff over the years. The various acquisitions you are thinking of in the ME group are a drop in the ocean that is their arch, viz, CAM/CAE budgets. Alias was bought for studio and the inlet in industrial CAM they missed at the time. Maya in and of itself is probably not scratching 3 or 4% of their revenue and I doubt Soft even made it to an integer number. Adobe is already a bigger company than AD for the record, and has MORE of a monopoly on its market segments than AD does. They beat AD in revenue and net by a factor of two most years. Again, I don't know what Adobe you guys are thinking of, but the one I know of is nothing to hope for. They make EA sports and AD ME look positively benign in the VFX geography. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: If I remember correcty Autodesk, before the big buyout in recent yearsm had only Autocad and 3ds to carry on and make good money...when they start acquiring Alias and all the others they establish themself as the company to go, simply because they were the owners. For me Adobe could possibly be the next Autodesk, but I really hope I'm wrong. 2015-04-28 7:24 GMT+02:00 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com : There must be another company named Adobe I'm not aware of... Adobe has had nothing but contempt for VFX for years, and people would actually get on board with this? If there is any truth to these incompetently written piece of news whatsoever, and that's pretty much 50/50 at best, be ready to rent. Windows and half arsed Mac ports only, of course. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Tenshi S. tenshu...@gmail.com wrote: Better Adobe than Autode$k. Is the less bad co. between both. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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Totally agree. This news sickened me and if true, could mean great things for Fusion and nothing but bad news for the rest. I've seen the usability and stability of After Effects (AE) decline sharply over the timeframe that AE has been a rental product. Updates cause problems instead of fixing them and development has slowed (even further). Not so with Nuke. Adobe wants VFX to be accessible to the consumer, and while I don't discount the research they have done, some of which has been quite amazing, most of their focus has been on one button type of VFX solutions and not on stability and flexibility, which is what we need and what The Foundry supplies software that excels in. Rotobrush, PuppetTool, CameraTracker all designed to make as close to a one button solution as possible. These tools works great in certain situations, but when the shot gets tough, you quickly run out of options. Nuke is nothing but options, and is far more ICE-like than AE is. Having something as flexible as Nuke owned by a company that has a huge competitive market-dominating product like AE, should send chills up your spine as to how closely it matches the Autodesk Maya/Soft debacle. Sent from my iPhone Please excuse typos and brief replies. Thank you! On Apr 28, 2015, at 2:05 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: AD owned and produced a lot of stuff over the years. The various acquisitions you are thinking of in the ME group are a drop in the ocean that is their arch, viz, CAM/CAE budgets. Alias was bought for studio and the inlet in industrial CAM they missed at the time. Maya in and of itself is probably not scratching 3 or 4% of their revenue and I doubt Soft even made it to an integer number. Adobe is already a bigger company than AD for the record, and has MORE of a monopoly on its market segments than AD does. They beat AD in revenue and net by a factor of two most years. Again, I don't know what Adobe you guys are thinking of, but the one I know of is nothing to hope for. They make EA sports and AD ME look positively benign in the VFX geography. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: If I remember correcty Autodesk, before the big buyout in recent yearsm had only Autocad and 3ds to carry on and make good money...when they start acquiring Alias and all the others they establish themself as the company to go, simply because they were the owners. For me Adobe could possibly be the next Autodesk, but I really hope I'm wrong. 2015-04-28 7:24 GMT+02:00 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com: There must be another company named Adobe I'm not aware of... Adobe has had nothing but contempt for VFX for years, and people would actually get on board with this? If there is any truth to these incompetently written piece of news whatsoever, and that's pretty much 50/50 at best, be ready to rent. Windows and half arsed Mac ports only, of course. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Tenshi S. tenshu...@gmail.com wrote: Better Adobe than Autode$k. Is the less bad co. between both. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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Raffaele, the thing is nothing like Photoshop has risen yet, right? Little competition there unlike say, MAX. They certainly cemented their position with applications integration and the acquisition of Macromedia, which had some overlap with Fireworks and Freehand, even being web-oriented, in tune to the why of the whole acquisition. Corel vanished. They are also in a good spot in video due to Apple mess up. Avid and Final Cut where a reference and now there's... Premiere... My point being. Even though they are big, was it through wrong doing? I guess we can all point enduring pains in Photoshop, After Effects, etc, but the focus of their products is not VFX, but design, so I don't understand how you turn that in contempt. Plus of the package Nuke is the only VFX venue right? Modo is not quite there yet. And your point about Maya being 3-4% tells more about the value of this division to AD than the value to Adobe. Anyways, I agree with Cristobal Infante to some degree, strange piece of news... Sent you an email Raffaele.
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Well Affinity Photo is definitely already there and its still in Beta. Pretty much for a fraction of the cost. Similarly for their Affinity Designer product. Krita is also catching up very quickly . Adobes issues start at the end of next year when the first of their 3 year deals becomes due. Most of their revenue comes from theses negotiated deals. However they have locked people into them. The playing field will be very different in a years time. Strategically its makes sense for Adobe to make this purchase. They need to expand their offerings and the selling price for the Foundry bundles makes for a very good profit margin. Wether this was just a strategic leak from TF to improve the buying price still remains to be seen. I still hope its neither AD or Adobe that does buy them. On 28 Apr 2015, at 8:43 AM, pedro santos probi...@gmail.commailto:probi...@gmail.com wrote: Raffaele, the thing is nothing like Photoshop has risen yet, right? Little competition there unlike say, MAX. They certainly cemented their position with applications integration and the acquisition of Macromedia, which had some overlap with Fireworks and Freehand, even being web-oriented, in tune to the why of the whole acquisition. Corel vanished. They are also in a good spot in video due to Apple mess up. Avid and Final Cut where a reference and now there's... Premiere... My point being. Even though they are big, was it through wrong doing? I guess we can all point enduring pains in Photoshop, After Effects, etc, but the focus of their products is not VFX, but design, so I don't understand how you turn that in contempt. Plus of the package Nuke is the only VFX venue right? Modo is not quite there yet. And your point about Maya being 3-4% tells more about the value of this division to AD than the value to Adobe. Anyways, I agree with Cristobal Infante to some degree, strange piece of news... Sent you an email Raffaele. table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /span/font/td /tr /table
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This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc?
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Well in the end Adobe probably doesn't care too much about Modo. But Mari and Nuke fore sure is interesting for them. I guess if Autodesk could, they would buy them just because of Nuke ;) 2015-04-27 15:06 GMT+02:00 Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nl: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company* has recently launched a concept design software product http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html *called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nl
RE: The shadow over The Foundry
Ready the popcorn for some clash of the titans then! ;) From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas Esposito Sent: April-27-15 6:12 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: The shadow over The Foundry Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the articlehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc?
Re: The shadow over The Foundry
Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company* has recently launched a concept design software product http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html *called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nl
Re: The shadow over The Foundry
Too bad that adobe didn't try and get a piece of the industry back in 2008. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nl wrote: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company* has recently launched a concept design software product http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html *called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. -=T=-
Re: The shadow over The Foundry
great quote Simon Reeves London, UK *si...@simonreeves.com si...@simonreeves.com* *www.simonreeves.com http://www.simonreeves.com* *www.analogstudio.co.uk http://www.analogstudio.co.uk* On 27 April 2015 at 14:06, Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nl wrote: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company* has recently launched a concept design software product http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html *called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nl
RE: The shadow over The Foundry
On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence it would mean no separate licences for Modo. Yes thats me looking really hard for a silver lining ;) From: Simon Reeves [si...@simonreeves.com] Sent: 27 April 2015 03:36 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: The shadow over The Foundry great quote Simon Reeves London, UK si...@simonreeves.commailto:si...@simonreeves.com www.simonreeves.comhttp://www.simonreeves.com www.analogstudio.co.ukhttp://www.analogstudio.co.uk On 27 April 2015 at 14:06, Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nlmailto:ron...@toonafish.nl wrote: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company has recently launched a concept design software producthttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.commailto:jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.commailto:3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the articlehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nlhttp://www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nlhttp://www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nlmailto:ron...@toonafish.nl table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /span/font/td /tr /table
Re: The shadow over The Foundry
You are right. 2015-04-27 22:32 GMT+02:00 Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com: Well we've known for a while The foundry is up for sale. This article is clearly a strategic PR move possibly from the foundry to speed things up. It's basically a massive ad that says The foundry is for sale, and there is an offer on the table. Anyone else interested? Autodesk maybe? On 27 April 2015 at 17:17, Mario Reitbauer cont...@marioreitbauer.at wrote: Well except of Autodesk there couldnt be anything worse then the Carlyle group. So I wouldn't think that this would be too bad. 2015-04-27 15:52 GMT+02:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence it would mean no separate licences for Modo. Yes thats me looking really hard for a silver lining ;) -- *From:* Simon Reeves [si...@simonreeves.com] *Sent:* 27 April 2015 03:36 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: The shadow over The Foundry great quote Simon Reeves London, UK *si...@simonreeves.com* *www.simonreeves.com http://www.simonreeves.com* *www.analogstudio.co.uk http://www.analogstudio.co.uk* On 27 April 2015 at 14:06, Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nl wrote: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company* has recently launched a concept design software product http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html *called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nl This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: The shadow over The Foundry
Better Adobe than Autode$k. Is the less bad co. between both. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Mario Reitbauer cont...@marioreitbauer.at wrote: You are right. 2015-04-27 22:32 GMT+02:00 Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com: Well we've known for a while The foundry is up for sale. This article is clearly a strategic PR move possibly from the foundry to speed things up. It's basically a massive ad that says The foundry is for sale, and there is an offer on the table. Anyone else interested? Autodesk maybe? On 27 April 2015 at 17:17, Mario Reitbauer cont...@marioreitbauer.at wrote: Well except of Autodesk there couldnt be anything worse then the Carlyle group. So I wouldn't think that this would be too bad. 2015-04-27 15:52 GMT+02:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence it would mean no separate licences for Modo. Yes thats me looking really hard for a silver lining ;) -- *From:* Simon Reeves [si...@simonreeves.com] *Sent:* 27 April 2015 03:36 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: The shadow over The Foundry great quote Simon Reeves London, UK *si...@simonreeves.com* *www.simonreeves.com http://www.simonreeves.com* *www.analogstudio.co.uk http://www.analogstudio.co.uk* On 27 April 2015 at 14:06, Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nl wrote: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company* has recently launched a concept design software product http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html *called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nl This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: The shadow over The Foundry
Well except of Autodesk there couldnt be anything worse then the Carlyle group. So I wouldn't think that this would be too bad. 2015-04-27 15:52 GMT+02:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: On the plus side. If our University finally gets an adobe site licence it would mean no separate licences for Modo. Yes thats me looking really hard for a silver lining ;) -- *From:* Simon Reeves [si...@simonreeves.com] *Sent:* 27 April 2015 03:36 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: The shadow over The Foundry great quote Simon Reeves London, UK *si...@simonreeves.com si...@simonreeves.com* *www.simonreeves.com http://www.simonreeves.com* *www.analogstudio.co.uk http://www.analogstudio.co.uk* On 27 April 2015 at 14:06, Toonafish ron...@toonafish.nl wrote: Can't take it too seriously when I read this snippet about Modo: The company* has recently launched a concept design software product http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/technology/11206167/Harry-Potter-to-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-the-British-firm-behind-the-Hollywood-blockbusters.html *called Modo, which means that prototype cars, phones and trainers can be drawn immediately into 3D rather than drawn first by hand in 2D and then physically built. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Jordi Bares Dominguez jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: This could be quite a blessing. jb On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:11, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Adobe is trying to get a piece of the VFX industries Link of the article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/privateequity/11562472/Adobe-eyes-200m-bid-for-British-visual-effects-firm-The-Foundry.html Good? Bad? Adobe to be the next Autodesk-Evil-Corp-Inc? -- Ronald van Vemden --- 3D Graphics Animation Cyberfish Laboratories | www.cyberfish.nl Toonafish | www.toonafish.nl tel. +31(0)20 5289291 fax +31(0)20 5289292 email: ron...@toonafish.nl This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: The shadow over The Foundry
There must be another company named Adobe I'm not aware of... Adobe has had nothing but contempt for VFX for years, and people would actually get on board with this? If there is any truth to these incompetently written piece of news whatsoever, and that's pretty much 50/50 at best, be ready to rent. Windows and half arsed Mac ports only, of course. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Tenshi S. tenshu...@gmail.com wrote: Better Adobe than Autode$k. Is the less bad co. between both.
Re: The shadow over The Foundry
If I remember correcty Autodesk, before the big buyout in recent yearsm had only Autocad and 3ds to carry on and make good money...when they start acquiring Alias and all the others they establish themself as the company to go, simply because they were the owners. For me Adobe could possibly be the next Autodesk, but I really hope I'm wrong. 2015-04-28 7:24 GMT+02:00 Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com: There must be another company named Adobe I'm not aware of... Adobe has had nothing but contempt for VFX for years, and people would actually get on board with this? If there is any truth to these incompetently written piece of news whatsoever, and that's pretty much 50/50 at best, be ready to rent. Windows and half arsed Mac ports only, of course. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Tenshi S. tenshu...@gmail.com wrote: Better Adobe than Autode$k. Is the less bad co. between both.
