Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
Alain, The agenda for the interim meeting contradicts what was said during the IETF81 v6ops (thanks to the recording (.mp3 url) and corresponding transcript below), so I would appreciate any clarity you could provide. With such a narrow-defined agenda, which doesn't allow discussion, analysis, and comparison of various stateless 4v6 transition options as the 1st step, many folks may just boycott and discount whatever is decided in the interim meeting. This is not only unproductive, but also unreasonable for those who have decided to attend the interim meeting. Audio recording from v6ops ### http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf81/ietf81-205abc-20110728-1256-pm.mp3 Transcript: Alain: This is done in Softwire. We are planning to organize an interim meeting in September, in some part of the world, to actually go through all the technical solutions that have been put forward and analyze them and do what we did at the beginning of Softwires. Pretty intensive interim meeting, locked in a room, and figure out what we need. Fred: So, Alain, we are finally going to have the discussion. Alain: We are actually going to make technical progress on this - more than just discussing. Jari: suggested doing everything in one group (implying a new WG). Alain: there are no more groups. We will just do it now. On the other hand, the agenda for the interim meeting is the following: Interim meeting Agenda ## The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... I am afraid that the interim meeting agenda would end up allowing more than one WGs work on 4v6 transition options. Not the best intent in favor of larger internet community. Cheers, Rajiv -Original Message- From: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:04 AM To: 'Alain Durand' Cc: Yong Cui; softwires@ietf.org; liziye; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: RE: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing It doesn't, IMO. In fact, I beg to say that it is unfair mention 'tunneling vs translating' as a blanket statement, since we have known all along that a sane 4v6 solution would likely involve translating (44), no matter what. Moreover, it is reasonable to call out all stateless 4v6 options, not just a particular solution. Cheers, Rajiv -Original Message- From: Alain Durand [mailto:adur...@juniper.net] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:44 AM To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) Cc: Yong Cui; softwires@ietf.org; liziye; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing We mentioned 'tunneling vs translating'. This should cover it. Alain. Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) raj...@cisco.com wrote: Yong, Why is dIVI not included In the discussion ? Could you please clarify? Cheers, Rajiv Sent from Phone On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn wrote: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
I hope the agenda I just published will clear things up. - Alain On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) wrote: Alain, The agenda for the interim meeting contradicts what was said during the IETF81 v6ops (thanks to the recording (.mp3 url) and corresponding transcript below), so I would appreciate any clarity you could provide. With such a narrow-defined agenda, which doesn't allow discussion, analysis, and comparison of various stateless 4v6 transition options as the 1st step, many folks may just boycott and discount whatever is decided in the interim meeting. This is not only unproductive, but also unreasonable for those who have decided to attend the interim meeting. Audio recording from v6ops ### http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf81/ietf81-205abc-20110728-1256-pm.mp3 Transcript: Alain: This is done in Softwire. We are planning to organize an interim meeting in September, in some part of the world, to actually go through all the technical solutions that have been put forward and analyze them and do what we did at the beginning of Softwires. Pretty intensive interim meeting, locked in a room, and figure out what we need. Fred: So, Alain, we are finally going to have the discussion. Alain: We are actually going to make technical progress on this - more than just discussing. Jari: suggested doing everything in one group (implying a new WG). Alain: there are no more groups. We will just do it now. On the other hand, the agenda for the interim meeting is the following: Interim meeting Agenda ## The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... I am afraid that the interim meeting agenda would end up allowing more than one WGs work on 4v6 transition options. Not the best intent in favor of larger internet community. Cheers, Rajiv -Original Message- From: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:04 AM To: 'Alain Durand' Cc: Yong Cui; softwires@ietf.org; liziye; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: RE: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing It doesn't, IMO. In fact, I beg to say that it is unfair mention 'tunneling vs translating' as a blanket statement, since we have known all along that a sane 4v6 solution would likely involve translating (44), no matter what. Moreover, it is reasonable to call out all stateless 4v6 options, not just a particular solution. Cheers, Rajiv -Original Message- From: Alain Durand [mailto:adur...@juniper.net] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:44 AM To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) Cc: Yong Cui; softwires@ietf.org; liziye; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing We mentioned 'tunneling vs translating'. This should cover it. Alain. Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) raj...@cisco.com wrote: Yong, Why is dIVI not included In the discussion ? Could you please clarify? Cheers, Rajiv Sent from Phone On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn wrote: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
+1, and we also hope to present the softwire mesh MIB Dear Chairs: Are there any plans to discuss the MIBs at the interim meeting? According to our softwire WG milestones, our MIBs also need more discussions. -1. MIBs are boring. ;-) cheers, Ole Best Regards Yu -Original Message- From: softwires-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alain Durand Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 11:40 PM To: gjs...@gmail.com Cc: liziye; Ralph Droms (rdroms); Yong Cui; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing So far, I'd like the focus to be on stateless. We will see by the end of the week (end of the call for presentation) if we have time for multicast. Alain. Sent from my iPad On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Greg Shepherd gjs...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any plans to discuss solutions for multicast at the interim meeting? Thanks, Greg On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:57 AM, GangChen phdg...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Chairs, I suggest including draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00 into the agenda as well. We already had a presentation in last softwire meeting. It's reasonable to continue the discussion in the interim meeting Many thanks Gang 2011/8/19, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
Dear Chairs, +1, and we also hope to present the softwire mesh MIB Dear Chairs: Are there any plans to discuss the MIBs at the interim meeting? According to our softwire WG milestones, our MIBs also need more discussions. Best Regards Yu -Original Message- From: softwires-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alain Durand Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 11:40 PM To: gjs...@gmail.com Cc: liziye; Ralph Droms (rdroms); Yong Cui; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing So far, I'd like the focus to be on stateless. We will see by the end of the week (end of the call for presentation) if we have time for multicast. Alain. Sent from my iPad On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Greg Shepherd gjs...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any plans to discuss solutions for multicast at the interim meeting? Thanks, Greg On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:57 AM, GangChen phdg...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Chairs, I suggest including draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00 into the agenda as well. We already had a presentation in last softwire meeting. It's reasonable to continue the discussion in the interim meeting Many thanks Gang 2011/8/19, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
Dear all, I fully agree with Rajiv. I would like to add to the list of stateless solutions the proposal specified in: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-behave-ipv6-portrange-04 and its companion I-D: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dhcpv6-shared-address-option-01. Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : softwires-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de Rajiv Asati (rajiva) Envoyé : vendredi 19 août 2011 17:04 À : Alain Durand Cc : softwires@ietf.org; liziye; Yong Cui; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; Ralph Droms (rdroms) Objet : Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing It doesn't, IMO. In fact, I beg to say that it is unfair mention 'tunneling vs translating' as a blanket statement, since we have known all along that a sane 4v6 solution would likely involve translating (44), no matter what. Moreover, it is reasonable to call out all stateless 4v6 options, not just a particular solution. Cheers, Rajiv -Original Message- From: Alain Durand [mailto:adur...@juniper.net] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:44 AM To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) Cc: Yong Cui; softwires@ietf.org; liziye; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing We mentioned 'tunneling vs translating'. This should cover it. Alain. Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) raj...@cisco.com wrote: Yong, Why is dIVI not included In the discussion ? Could you please clarify? Cheers, Rajiv Sent from Phone On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn wrote: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b 982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
Dear Chairs, I suggest including draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00 into the agenda as well. We already had a presentation in last softwire meeting. It's reasonable to continue the discussion in the interim meeting Many thanks Gang 2011/8/19, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
Are there any plans to discuss solutions for multicast at the interim meeting? Thanks, Greg On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:57 AM, GangChen phdg...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Chairs, I suggest including draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00 into the agenda as well. We already had a presentation in last softwire meeting. It's reasonable to continue the discussion in the interim meeting Many thanks Gang 2011/8/19, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
Thanks. I won't add to the agenda. The first pass had mcast on the list so I carved out time to be there. If it comes up I will attend. Or I suppose more to the point, if you don't want me there keep mcast off of the agenda. :) Cheers, Greg On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Alain Durand adur...@juniper.net wrote: So far, I'd like the focus to be on stateless. We will see by the end of the week (end of the call for presentation) if we have time for multicast. Alain. Sent from my iPad On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Greg Shepherd gjs...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any plans to discuss solutions for multicast at the interim meeting? Thanks, Greg On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:57 AM, GangChen phdg...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Chairs, I suggest including draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00 into the agenda as well. We already had a presentation in last softwire meeting. It's reasonable to continue the discussion in the interim meeting Many thanks Gang 2011/8/19, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
Dear Chairs: Are there any plans to discuss the MIBs at the interim meeting? According to our softwire WG milestones, our MIBs also need more discussions. Best Regards Yu -Original Message- From: softwires-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alain Durand Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 11:40 PM To: gjs...@gmail.com Cc: liziye; Ralph Droms (rdroms); Yong Cui; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing So far, I'd like the focus to be on stateless. We will see by the end of the week (end of the call for presentation) if we have time for multicast. Alain. Sent from my iPad On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Greg Shepherd gjs...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any plans to discuss solutions for multicast at the interim meeting? Thanks, Greg On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:57 AM, GangChen phdg...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Chairs, I suggest including draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00 into the agenda as well. We already had a presentation in last softwire meeting. It's reasonable to continue the discussion in the interim meeting Many thanks Gang 2011/8/19, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
[Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
Yong, Why is dIVI not included In the discussion ? Could you please clarify? Cheers, Rajiv Sent from Phone On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn wrote: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
Rajiv, I would be very happy to see the progress of dIVI. However, according to our current Softwire charter and Milestones, dIVI is not the most urgent thing to do in Softwire. Yong -Original Message- From: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) raj...@cisco.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:16:05 -0400 To: Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn Cc: softwires@ietf.org, liziye liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn, iesg-secret...@ietf.org, Ralph Droms (rdroms) rdr...@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing Yong, Why is dIVI not included In the discussion ? Could you please clarify? Cheers, Rajiv Sent from Phone On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn wrote: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b9 82 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires !DSPAM:1,4e4e543c32102249516215! ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
于 2011/8/19 21:03, Rémi Després 写道: Yong, Rajiv, Le 19 août 2011 à 14:16, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) a écrit : Yong, Why is dIVI not included In the discussion ? In my understanding, differences between dIVI and the proposal of draft-murakami-softwire-4v6-translation-00 are minimal. They both use a double-translation tunneling method, with a stateless address mapping between A+P and IPv6. It seems therefore that either double-translation tunneling is out of scope, or dIVI is also in scope. The dIVI is in scope and we would like to present two drafts https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xli-behave-divi-pd/ Regards, xing Did I miss something? Regards, RD ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
We mentioned 'tunneling vs translating'. This should cover it. Alain. Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) raj...@cisco.com wrote: Yong, Why is dIVI not included In the discussion ? Could you please clarify? Cheers, Rajiv Sent from Phone On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn wrote: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
It doesn't, IMO. In fact, I beg to say that it is unfair mention 'tunneling vs translating' as a blanket statement, since we have known all along that a sane 4v6 solution would likely involve translating (44), no matter what. Moreover, it is reasonable to call out all stateless 4v6 options, not just a particular solution. Cheers, Rajiv -Original Message- From: Alain Durand [mailto:adur...@juniper.net] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:44 AM To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) Cc: Yong Cui; softwires@ietf.org; liziye; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing We mentioned 'tunneling vs translating'. This should cover it. Alain. Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) raj...@cisco.com wrote: Yong, Why is dIVI not included In the discussion ? Could you please clarify? Cheers, Rajiv Sent from Phone On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn wrote: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b 982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing
2011/8/19 Rajiv Asati (rajiva) raj...@cisco.com It doesn't, IMO. In fact, I beg to say that it is unfair mention 'tunneling vs translating' as a blanket statement, since we have known all along that a sane 4v6 solution would likely involve translating (44), no matter what. Moreover, it is reasonable to call out all stateless 4v6 options, not just a particular solution. I agree. Congxiao Cheers, Rajiv -Original Message- From: Alain Durand [mailto:adur...@juniper.net] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:44 AM To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) Cc: Yong Cui; softwires@ietf.org; liziye; iesg-secret...@ietf.org; Ralph Droms (rdroms) Subject: Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting in Beijing We mentioned 'tunneling vs translating'. This should cover it. Alain. Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) raj...@cisco.com wrote: Yong, Why is dIVI not included In the discussion ? Could you please clarify? Cheers, Rajiv Sent from Phone On Aug 19, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Yong Cui cuiy...@tsinghua.edu.cn wrote: Hi folks, We, softwire wg chairs, in agreement with our ADs, are announcing an interim meeting in Beijing on September 26 27. The date has been chosen adjacent to the BBF meeting in Shangai to minimize travel and visa issues. The interim meeting will focus on 'stateless' solutions in general and 4rd in particular. Expected outcome includes progress on 4rd spec, packet format, where to put IPv4 bits, port indications, DHCP option, tunneling vs translation, coexistence with other technologies, etc... --- Meeting Location recommended hotels Meeting venue: FIT Building, Tsinghua University, Beijing FIT Building is the first left building inside of the East Gate of Tsinghua Univeristy http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202779846620144871057.0004aad8ce367b 982 9372msa=0ll=39.996906,116.331664spn=0.004044,0.008798 Recommended hotels: 1. Uniscenter (4 stars, 3 min walk) http://en.uniscenter.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/index.html 2. Wenjin Hotel (5 stars, 10 min walk) http://www.wenjin.com.cn/ 3. Royal King Hotel (5 stars, 10 min by car) http://www.royalkinghotel.com/ Invitation letter If you need an invitation letter, please send the following info to Ms. Ziye Li: liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn. Surname: Given Name: Company: Address: Phone: Passport Number: Passport Exp. Date: Passport Issuing Country: - Further contact information Please contact Ms. Ziye Li if you have any question about Beijing/Tsinghua/Hotel/Meeting venue/visa/tour... liz...@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn -- Alain, Yong ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires ___ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
