Re: J2EE IDE
This is nonsense. I use NetBeans 3.5.1 with j2sdk1.4.2, and I rarely restart it (manually or through a crash) more than one a week. Right now it has been running for over three weeks fine. The speed issue is relative, what is slow? NetBeans 3.5.x version was primarily improvements to performance in the IDE, now it is very fast and responsive. I have never had any problems with speed on this version of NetBeans. (Unless you choose to turn on every single plug in, and try experimenting with everyone at once, ... eclipse users complain about poor performance under these conditions as well). Oh, and to have a jab, didn't IBM try to announce Eclipse as the first open source true Java IDE? NetBeans was open source a good year or two before Eclipse, and Eclipse isn't 100% java!! It is an interesting reflection between Sun and IBM, Sun focus' more on technical issues and IBM more on marketing. Nonetheless it is great the two opensource IDEs exist to encourage competition between the two camps. Mick. On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:43:04 -0600, James Harman wrote: Maybe because it is slow, and crash like once everyday. Andy Cheng wrote: Hi, I have never used anything else very seriously except Netbeans. I think it is slow, and crash like once everyday, but the feature it offer really is worth the trouble. It can generate the get and set method, it will update any classes that implement the interface you are editing, ultra good search and highlighting. You can basically customize everything you can see too... I really cannot understand why people do not like it. -- BR/ Driving ambition is the last refuge of the failure. Oscar Wilde BR/ --- a href=http://www.harryspractice.com.auwww.harryspractice.com.au/a --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: J2EE IDE
Razi Ansari wrote: IntelliJ IDEA is the way to go +1. It costs money, but, then, so do I =:) See also http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?MyFavoriteIDEAndWhy -Ted. -- Ted Husted, Junit in Action - http://www.manning.com/massol/, Struts in Action - http://husted.com/struts/book.html, JSP Site Design - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1861005512. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: J2EE IDE
Maybe because it is slow, and crash like once everyday.
Andy Cheng wrote:
Hi, I have never used anything else very seriously except Netbeans. I
think it is slow, and crash like once everyday, but the feature it offer
really is worth the trouble. It can generate the get and set method, it
will update any classes that implement the interface you are editing,
ultra good search and highlighting. You can basically customize
everything you can see too... I really cannot understand why people do
not like it.
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Re: J2EE IDE
- Original Message - From: Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:03 AM Subject: Re: J2EE IDE you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G -- -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: J2EE IDE
On 27/08/2003 07:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. I've not tried Eclipse but, to my sorrow, I've tried both Forte and Netbeans. I didn't find either helped in developing web apps so I just a text editor. Any debugging can be done with a few System.out.println's. And I think it makes you think more about the code you're writing if you don't have an interactive debugger to hand. YMMV. This mail was scanned by Interscan Virus Wall of Mailserver2 at SNR, TCS, Chennai My pet cat, Eric, watched me type this email. He sneezed on the screen. Who knows what infections I'm spreading here ;-) -- Paul Thomas +--+-+ | Thomas Micro Systems Limited | Software Solutions for the Smaller Business | | Computer Consultants | http://www.thomas-micro-systems-ltd.co.uk | +--+-+ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] RE: J2EE IDE
IntelliJ provide a document on supporting developing web apps with IntelliJ IDEA http://www.intellij.com/docs/html/webAppl.html http://www.intellij.com/docs/WebApps.pdf -Original Message- From: Paul Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2003 11:15 a.m. To: struts-user Subject: Re: J2EE IDE On 27/08/2003 07:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. I've not tried Eclipse but, to my sorrow, I've tried both Forte and Netbeans. I didn't find either helped in developing web apps so I just a text editor. Any debugging can be done with a few System.out.println's. And I think it makes you think more about the code you're writing if you don't have an interactive debugger to hand. YMMV. This mail was scanned by Interscan Virus Wall of Mailserver2 at SNR, TCS, Chennai My pet cat, Eric, watched me type this email. He sneezed on the screen. Who knows what infections I'm spreading here ;-) -- Paul Thomas +--+ -+ | Thomas Micro Systems Limited | Software Solutions for the Smaller Business | | Computer Consultants | http://www.thomas-micro-systems-ltd.co.uk | +--+ -+ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
--- Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... Either that or you need to upgrade your Eclipse and/or JRE version. Startup time is under 20 seconds, I don't know what Refresh time is, and I've only experienced crashes in rare use cases under Linux. I've found Eclipse to be much more useable than VAJ, NetBeans/Forte, and JBuilder. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: J2EE IDE
personally I think IntelliJ is wonderful - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE --- Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... Either that or you need to upgrade your Eclipse and/or JRE version. Startup time is under 20 seconds, I don't know what Refresh time is, and I've only experienced crashes in rare use cases under Linux. I've found Eclipse to be much more useable than VAJ, NetBeans/Forte, and JBuilder. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: J2EE IDE
I am using Eclipse more than one year. It doesn't crash, it is much stable. One good and bad thing in Eclipse is plug-ins. Too many plug-ins slow down the startup refresh time. So, my suggestion is Use the tool in a smart way. Don't install the plug-in If you don't use it. Another Sincere Advice is, try to update to JRE1.4.2, it is fast and also stable All the best. Srinivas. At 07:01 PM 8/27/2003 -0600, you wrote: personally I think IntelliJ is wonderful - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE --- Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... Either that or you need to upgrade your Eclipse and/or JRE version. Startup time is under 20 seconds, I don't know what Refresh time is, and I've only experienced crashes in rare use cases under Linux. I've found Eclipse to be much more useable than VAJ, NetBeans/Forte, and JBuilder. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: J2EE IDE
I've used a text editor, visual slick edit, forte (inc sun one studio, and netbeans) and now eclipse. I would highly recommend eclipse for doing web apps (I cant speak too j2ee dev). I would suggest getting it and the Eclipse in action book. Either read the book at the book store or buy it then post it on half. I has some great stuff if you are getting started with Eclipse, but its not stuff you are going to forget and need to look up again. I've got it with Tomcat and the Sysdeo plugin Struts console - lets me debug servlets, issues reloads automatically, etc... Works for me. Of course the last IDE I paid for was Slick Edit (in more ways than one) so maybe the high end dev tool have something I am missing! Initially my big draw to Eclipse was the SWT it used instead of Swing. It was just as nice and responsive as a native app (something forte always pissed me off about - I always felt like I was walking through water with it). Ah well -Original Message- From: Paul Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:15 PM To: struts-user Subject: Re: J2EE IDE On 27/08/2003 07:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. I've not tried Eclipse but, to my sorrow, I've tried both Forte and Netbeans. I didn't find either helped in developing web apps so I just a text editor. Any debugging can be done with a few System.out.println's. And I think it makes you think more about the code you're writing if you don't have an interactive debugger to hand. YMMV. This mail was scanned by Interscan Virus Wall of Mailserver2 at SNR, TCS, Chennai My pet cat, Eric, watched me type this email. He sneezed on the screen. Who knows what infections I'm spreading here ;-) -- Paul Thomas +--+ -+ | Thomas Micro Systems Limited | Software Solutions for the Smaller Business | | Computer Consultants | http://www.thomas-micro-systems-ltd.co.uk | +--+ -+ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
I agree with the points David makes below. Eclipse Rocks. And with the plugin framework, it is getting better all the time. I run Eclipse on Windows XP at work and on Linux 9.0 at home. No problems. Mike --- Hibbs, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) Boot time : I haven't met a Java-based IDE that didn't have high boot time. That said, the core IDE boots pretty fast on my home machine (1GHz P4) -- much faster than NetBeans. Caveat--I quit using NetBeans because a) it was outclassed by Eclipse and b) I felt that the releases were becoming less stable. b) Refresh time : huh? I have no problems. Perhaps you need to disable the auto-compile feature? From the menu bar, select Window-Preferences-Workbench, uncheck Perform build automatically on resource modification, and hit OK. c) Crashes I've been using eclipse both at home and at work for almost a year and a half, and not once has it crashed. (Yes, this means I started using it even with the 1.0 release!) So I don't know what your problem is here if you are complaining about crashes--perhaps an incompatible JRE or OS (or just don't have enough memory) ? Another possibility is a bad plugin; have you installed any 3rd party plugins? d) No, you're not right on these points. ;^) David Hibbs Staff Programmer / Analyst American National Insurance Company -Original Message- But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
Hehe. I ran eclipse on a P-I 200Mhz with 64Mb without problems (though i was just stuffing around and not doing anything 'heavy') -Original Message- From: Mike Duffy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2003 12:45 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I agree with the points David makes below. Eclipse Rocks. And with the plugin framework, it is getting better all the time. I run Eclipse on Windows XP at work and on Linux 9.0 at home. No problems. Mike --- Hibbs, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) Boot time : I haven't met a Java-based IDE that didn't have high boot time. That said, the core IDE boots pretty fast on my home machine (1GHz P4) -- much faster than NetBeans. Caveat--I quit using NetBeans because a) it was outclassed by Eclipse and b) I felt that the releases were becoming less stable. b) Refresh time : huh? I have no problems. Perhaps you need to disable the auto-compile feature? From the menu bar, select Window-Preferences-Workbench, uncheck Perform build automatically on resource modification, and hit OK. c) Crashes I've been using eclipse both at home and at work for almost a year and a half, and not once has it crashed. (Yes, this means I started using it even with the 1.0 release!) So I don't know what your problem is here if you are complaining about crashes--perhaps an incompatible JRE or OS (or just don't have enough memory) ? Another possibility is a bad plugin; have you installed any 3rd party plugins? d) No, you're not right on these points. ;^) David Hibbs Staff Programmer / Analyst American National Insurance Company -Original Message- But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
Anyone tried Gel from GeExperts. thanks -raj VDS India +91 44 2254-0281 ext. 1059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] oo.com cc: Subject: RE: J2EE IDE 28/08/2003 10:14 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List I agree with the points David makes below. Eclipse Rocks. And with the plugin framework, it is getting better all the time. I run Eclipse on Windows XP at work and on Linux 9.0 at home. No problems. Mike --- Hibbs, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) Boot time : I haven't met a Java-based IDE that didn't have high boot time. That said, the core IDE boots pretty fast on my home machine (1GHz P4) -- much faster than NetBeans. Caveat--I quit using NetBeans because a) it was outclassed by Eclipse and b) I felt that the releases were becoming less stable. b) Refresh time : huh? I have no problems. Perhaps you need to disable the auto-compile feature? From the menu bar, select Window-Preferences-Workbench, uncheck Perform build automatically on resource modification, and hit OK. c) Crashes I've been using eclipse both at home and at work for almost a year and a half, and not once has it crashed. (Yes, this means I started using it even with the 1.0 release!) So I don't know what your problem is here if you are complaining about crashes--perhaps an incompatible JRE or OS (or just don't have enough memory) ? Another possibility is a bad plugin; have you installed any 3rd party plugins? d) No, you're not right on these points. ;^) David Hibbs Staff Programmer / Analyst American National Insurance Company -Original Message- But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
i agree, handsdown, handsup or in star wars, it rocks! -Original Message- From: David Thielen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:01 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE personally I think IntelliJ is wonderful - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE --- Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... Either that or you need to upgrade your Eclipse and/or JRE version. Startup time is under 20 seconds, I don't know what Refresh time is, and I've only experienced crashes in rare use cases under Linux. I've found Eclipse to be much more useable than VAJ, NetBeans/Forte, and JBuilder. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any
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hahahahaa -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:21 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: [OT] RE: J2EE IDE That's what I told my sister about boys Mark -Original Message- From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:36 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE THEY ALL SUCK! Just pick the one that causes YOU the least pain. Brandon Goodin Avid Eclipse user (1yr) Post Netbeans User (2yr) IDEA (1mo) -Original Message- From: Gandle, Panchasheel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:37 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE +1 for IDEA, its simply great tool, everything in it leads to productivity, Panchasheel -Original Message- From: Vijay Pawar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:24 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Dear All, I am using WSAD 5.0 . Suppose i wish to use the latest nighty build of struts, then can that be configured in WSAD 5.0 and how ? I assume that WSAD 5.0 comes with bundled struts release 1.0 ! Thanks in advance, Vijay José_Fortunato_H._Tomás [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should consider also Idea. The capability of code refactor is *big* *major* help for productivity. http://www.intellij.com/idea/ Which can integrat the same tool for struts editing like Eclipse. WSAD is the Good one. Thanks Nazeer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, copy or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the material from any computer. The New Africa Capital Group, its subsidiaries or associates do not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh well.. :) Gel IDE from GeExperts.. it's free.. never expires.. u can writep lugins for that.. and it's light weight... i think it's a matter of what ide u get used to.. :) thanks -raj VDS India +91 44 2254-0281 ext. 1059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Butt, Dudley [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] an.co.zacc: Subject: RE: J2EE IDE 28/08/2003 11:23 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List the only gel i tried is ...well, ok, come one...u know, the nice slidy stuff? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:51 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Anyone tried Gel from GeExperts. thanks -raj VDS India +91 44 2254-0281 ext. 1059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] oo.com cc: Subject: RE: J2EE IDE 28/08/2003 10:14 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List I agree with the points David makes below. Eclipse Rocks. And with the plugin framework, it is getting better all the time. I run Eclipse on Windows XP at work and on Linux 9.0 at home. No problems. Mike --- Hibbs, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) Boot time : I haven't met a Java-based IDE that didn't have high boot time. That said, the core IDE boots pretty fast on my home machine (1GHz P4) -- much faster than NetBeans. Caveat--I quit using NetBeans because a) it was outclassed by Eclipse and b) I felt that the releases were becoming less stable. b) Refresh time : huh? I have no problems. Perhaps you need to disable the auto-compile feature? From the menu bar, select Window-Preferences-Workbench, uncheck Perform build automatically on resource modification, and hit OK. c) Crashes I've been using eclipse both at home and at work for almost a year and a half, and not once has it crashed. (Yes, this means I started using it even with the 1.0 release!) So I don't know what your problem is here if you are complaining about crashes--perhaps an incompatible JRE or OS (or just don't have enough memory) ? Another possibility is a bad plugin; have you installed any 3rd party plugins? d) No, you're not right on these points. ;^) David Hibbs Staff Programmer / Analyst American National Insurance Company -Original Message- But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity
RE: J2EE IDE
I have a HP workstation 4 CPU.. 1.7 GHz.. 512MB Ram. thanks -raj VDS India +91 44 2254-0281 ext. 1059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Rajendra X. Yadav/EMPL/India/[EMAIL PROTECTED], Struts Users Mailing List ianinfo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: J2EE IDE 28/08/2003 04:55 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional
RE: J2EE IDE
Hi, I have never used anything else very seriously except Netbeans. I think it is slow, and crash like once everyday, but the feature it offer really is worth the trouble. It can generate the get and set method, it will update any classes that implement the interface you are editing, ultra good search and highlighting. You can basically customize everything you can see too... I really cannot understand why people do not like it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:06 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I have a HP workstation 4 CPU.. 1.7 GHz.. 512MB Ram. thanks -raj VDS India +91 44 2254-0281 ext. 1059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Rajendra X. Yadav/EMPL/India/[EMAIL PROTECTED], Struts Users Mailing List ianinfo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: J2EE IDE 28/08/2003 04:55 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I also use Netbeans for a lot of time now, The only problem that if find with it is that is a little bit slow, but there has been improvements in release 3.5.1 and JDK 1.4._03 BUT it gives to devolopers a lots of tools in contrary with other IDE. It's integrated with Ant for rapid development. The most important thing is that the architecture is open and every developer can write application upon Netbeans. Vangos. - Original Message - From: Andy Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Hi, I have never used anything else very seriously except Netbeans. I think it is slow, and crash like once everyday, but the feature it offer really is worth the trouble. It can generate the get and set method, it will update any classes that implement the interface you are editing, ultra good search and highlighting. You can basically customize everything you can see too... I really cannot understand why people do not like it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:06 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I have a HP workstation 4 CPU.. 1.7 GHz.. 512MB Ram. thanks -raj VDS India +91 44 2254-0281 ext. 1059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Rajendra X. Yadav/EMPL/India/[EMAIL PROTECTED], Struts Users Mailing List ianinfo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: J2EE IDE 28/08/2003 04:55 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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IntelliJ IDEA is the way to go From: Venkata Srinivasa Rao, Yerra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: J2EE IDE Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:54:08 +0800 I am using Eclipse more than one year. It doesn't crash, it is much stable. One good and bad thing in Eclipse is plug-ins. Too many plug-ins slow down the startup refresh time. So, my suggestion is Use the tool in a smart way. Don't install the plug-in If you don't use it. Another Sincere Advice is, try to update to JRE1.4.2, it is fast and also stable All the best. Srinivas. At 07:01 PM 8/27/2003 -0600, you wrote: personally I think IntelliJ is wonderful - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE --- Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... Either that or you need to upgrade your Eclipse and/or JRE version. Startup time is under 20 seconds, I don't know what Refresh time is, and I've only experienced crashes in rare use cases under Linux. I've found Eclipse to be much more useable than VAJ, NetBeans/Forte, and JBuilder. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: J2EE IDE
I have been using both NetBeans and Eclipse extensively and my recommendation goes to Eclipse. With the proper plugins (available on their web-site), you can do just about everything you want. Eclipse is also written platform-specific, which means it can optimise features of your specific platform (as apposed to a general platform independant product) and therefor notably better than NB ito performance. For J2EE development, look at the MyEclipse plug-in for Eclipse. You also get integration with just about any tool or application server out there --- Konstadinis Euaggelos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also use Netbeans for a lot of time now, The only problem that if find with it is that is a little bit slow, but there has been improvements in release 3.5.1 and JDK 1.4._03 BUT it gives to devolopers a lots of tools in contrary with other IDE. It's integrated with Ant for rapid development. The most important thing is that the architecture is open and every developer can write application upon Netbeans. Vangos. - Original Message - From: Andy Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Hi, I have never used anything else very seriously except Netbeans. I think it is slow, and crash like once everyday, but the feature it offer really is worth the trouble. It can generate the get and set method, it will update any classes that implement the interface you are editing, ultra good search and highlighting. You can basically customize everything you can see too... I really cannot understand why people do not like it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:06 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I have a HP workstation 4 CPU.. 1.7 GHz.. 512MB Ram. thanks -raj VDS India +91 44 2254-0281 ext. 1059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rajendra X. Yadav/EMPL/India/[EMAIL PROTECTED], Struts Users Mailing List ianinfo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: J2EE IDE 28/08/2003 04:55 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.tr cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List === message truncated === __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There's a wiki page for this topic that might be a better place to post IDE reviews that on the mailing list. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?MyFavoriteIDEAndWhy Steve -Original Message- From: Butt, Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 27, 2003 8:15 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I use IntelliJ, really fast to get up and running, I believe eclipse is really good, but heard many complain that its hard to get up and running. But then again, there's a lot of support for it nowadays. Just pick one or two and try them out, one of them must be IntelliJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, copy or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the material from any computer. The New Africa Capital Group, its subsidiaries or associates do not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For J2ee developing I am investingating MyEclipse ($30.00) per year. It uses XDoclet for rapid development. Barry - Original Message - From: Bill Chmura [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I've used a text editor, visual slick edit, forte (inc sun one studio, and netbeans) and now eclipse. I would highly recommend eclipse for doing web apps (I cant speak too j2ee dev). I would suggest getting it and the Eclipse in action book. Either read the book at the book store or buy it then post it on half. I has some great stuff if you are getting started with Eclipse, but its not stuff you are going to forget and need to look up again. I've got it with Tomcat and the Sysdeo plugin Struts console - lets me debug servlets, issues reloads automatically, etc... Works for me. Of course the last IDE I paid for was Slick Edit (in more ways than one) so maybe the high end dev tool have something I am missing! Initially my big draw to Eclipse was the SWT it used instead of Swing. It was just as nice and responsive as a native app (something forte always pissed me off about - I always felt like I was walking through water with it). Ah well -Original Message- From: Paul Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:15 PM To: struts-user Subject: Re: J2EE IDE On 27/08/2003 07:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. I've not tried Eclipse but, to my sorrow, I've tried both Forte and Netbeans. I didn't find either helped in developing web apps so I just a text editor. Any debugging can be done with a few System.out.println's. And I think it makes you think more about the code you're writing if you don't have an interactive debugger to hand. YMMV. This mail was scanned by Interscan Virus Wall of Mailserver2 at SNR, TCS, Chennai My pet cat, Eric, watched me type this email. He sneezed on the screen. Who knows what infections I'm spreading here ;-) -- Paul Thomas +--+ -+ | Thomas Micro Systems Limited | Software Solutions for the Smaller Business | | Computer Consultants | http://www.thomas-micro-systems-ltd.co.uk | +--+ -+ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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NetBeans does it too, Vangos. - Original Message - From: Barry Volpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: Re: J2EE IDE For J2ee developing I am investingating MyEclipse ($30.00) per year. It uses XDoclet for rapid development. Barry - Original Message - From: Bill Chmura [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I've used a text editor, visual slick edit, forte (inc sun one studio, and netbeans) and now eclipse. I would highly recommend eclipse for doing web apps (I cant speak too j2ee dev). I would suggest getting it and the Eclipse in action book. Either read the book at the book store or buy it then post it on half. I has some great stuff if you are getting started with Eclipse, but its not stuff you are going to forget and need to look up again. I've got it with Tomcat and the Sysdeo plugin Struts console - lets me debug servlets, issues reloads automatically, etc... Works for me. Of course the last IDE I paid for was Slick Edit (in more ways than one) so maybe the high end dev tool have something I am missing! Initially my big draw to Eclipse was the SWT it used instead of Swing. It was just as nice and responsive as a native app (something forte always pissed me off about - I always felt like I was walking through water with it). Ah well -Original Message- From: Paul Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:15 PM To: struts-user Subject: Re: J2EE IDE On 27/08/2003 07:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. I've not tried Eclipse but, to my sorrow, I've tried both Forte and Netbeans. I didn't find either helped in developing web apps so I just a text editor. Any debugging can be done with a few System.out.println's. And I think it makes you think more about the code you're writing if you don't have an interactive debugger to hand. YMMV. This mail was scanned by Interscan Virus Wall of Mailserver2 at SNR, TCS, Chennai My pet cat, Eric, watched me type this email. He sneezed on the screen. Who knows what infections I'm spreading here ;-) -- Paul Thomas +--+ -+ | Thomas Micro Systems Limited | Software Solutions for the Smaller Business | | Computer Consultants | http://www.thomas-micro-systems-ltd.co.uk | +--+ -+ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree for next to nothing ($30.00 per year) you can develop in J2EE with Xdoclet (rapid dev) and use an app server like JBoss (free). Barry - Original Message - From: Riaan Oberholzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: Re: J2EE IDE I have been using both NetBeans and Eclipse extensively and my recommendation goes to Eclipse. With the proper plugins (available on their web-site), you can do just about everything you want. Eclipse is also written platform-specific, which means it can optimise features of your specific platform (as apposed to a general platform independant product) and therefor notably better than NB ito performance. For J2EE development, look at the MyEclipse plug-in for Eclipse. You also get integration with just about any tool or application server out there --- Konstadinis Euaggelos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also use Netbeans for a lot of time now, The only problem that if find with it is that is a little bit slow, but there has been improvements in release 3.5.1 and JDK 1.4._03 BUT it gives to devolopers a lots of tools in contrary with other IDE. It's integrated with Ant for rapid development. The most important thing is that the architecture is open and every developer can write application upon Netbeans. Vangos. - Original Message - From: Andy Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Hi, I have never used anything else very seriously except Netbeans. I think it is slow, and crash like once everyday, but the feature it offer really is worth the trouble. It can generate the get and set method, it will update any classes that implement the interface you are editing, ultra good search and highlighting. You can basically customize everything you can see too... I really cannot understand why people do not like it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:06 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I have a HP workstation 4 CPU.. 1.7 GHz.. 512MB Ram. thanks -raj VDS India +91 44 2254-0281 ext. 1059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rajendra X. Yadav/EMPL/India/[EMAIL PROTECTED], Struts Users Mailing List ianinfo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: J2EE IDE 28/08/2003 04:55 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.tr cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond
Re: J2EE IDE
you can do the same using eclipse with JBOSS IDE plugin for eclipse. Barry Volpe wrote: I agree for next to nothing ($30.00 per year) you can develop in J2EE with Xdoclet (rapid dev) and use an app server like JBoss (free). Barry - Original Message - From: Riaan Oberholzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: Re: J2EE IDE I have been using both NetBeans and Eclipse extensively and my recommendation goes to Eclipse. With the proper plugins (available on their web-site), you can do just about everything you want. Eclipse is also written platform-specific, which means it can optimise features of your specific platform (as apposed to a general platform independant product) and therefor notably better than NB ito performance. For J2EE development, look at the MyEclipse plug-in for Eclipse. You also get integration with just about any tool or application server out there --- Konstadinis Euaggelos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also use Netbeans for a lot of time now, The only problem that if find with it is that is a little bit slow, but there has been improvements in release 3.5.1 and JDK 1.4._03 BUT it gives to devolopers a lots of tools in contrary with other IDE. It's integrated with Ant for rapid development. The most important thing is that the architecture is open and every developer can write application upon Netbeans. Vangos. - Original Message - From: Andy Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Hi, I have never used anything else very seriously except Netbeans. I think it is slow, and crash like once everyday, but the feature it offer really is worth the trouble. It can generate the get and set method, it will update any classes that implement the interface you are editing, ultra good search and highlighting. You can basically customize everything you can see too... I really cannot understand why people do not like it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:06 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I have a HP workstation 4 CPU.. 1.7 GHz.. 512MB Ram. thanks -raj VDS India +91 44 2254-0281 ext. 1059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rajendra X. Yadav/EMPL/India/[EMAIL PROTECTED], Struts Users Mailing List ianinfo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: J2EE IDE 28/08/2003 04:55 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.tr cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List === message truncated === __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: J2EE IDE
$30.00 because www.genuitec.com does not provide the plugin stand-alone anymore. It is now part of the MyEclipse plugin which is only available in a free 30 day trial offer. Barry - Original Message - From: Barry Volpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:50 AM Subject: Re: J2EE IDE I agree for next to nothing ($30.00 per year) you can develop in J2EE with Xdoclet (rapid dev) and use an app server like JBoss (free). Barry - Original Message - From: Riaan Oberholzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: Re: J2EE IDE I have been using both NetBeans and Eclipse extensively and my recommendation goes to Eclipse. With the proper plugins (available on their web-site), you can do just about everything you want. Eclipse is also written platform-specific, which means it can optimise features of your specific platform (as apposed to a general platform independant product) and therefor notably better than NB ito performance. For J2EE development, look at the MyEclipse plug-in for Eclipse. You also get integration with just about any tool or application server out there --- Konstadinis Euaggelos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also use Netbeans for a lot of time now, The only problem that if find with it is that is a little bit slow, but there has been improvements in release 3.5.1 and JDK 1.4._03 BUT it gives to devolopers a lots of tools in contrary with other IDE. It's integrated with Ant for rapid development. The most important thing is that the architecture is open and every developer can write application upon Netbeans. Vangos. - Original Message - From: Andy Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Hi, I have never used anything else very seriously except Netbeans. I think it is slow, and crash like once everyday, but the feature it offer really is worth the trouble. It can generate the get and set method, it will update any classes that implement the interface you are editing, ultra good search and highlighting. You can basically customize everything you can see too... I really cannot understand why people do not like it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:06 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I have a HP workstation 4 CPU.. 1.7 GHz.. 512MB Ram. thanks -raj VDS India +91 44 2254-0281 ext. 1059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rajendra X. Yadav/EMPL/India/[EMAIL PROTECTED], Struts Users Mailing List ianinfo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: RE: J2EE IDE 28/08/2003 04:55 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Sounds like you need to upgrade your machine. I have a standard PC (2 years old) and eclipse works fine on this... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 7:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high
Re: J2EE IDE
you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, i like Eclipse a lot but it has it's constraints. If you wish to have O/R mapping support in your IDE, try JDeveloper etc. Although i have never used JBulder or IntelliJ but they are also good ones. navjot |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:16 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: J2EE IDE | | |Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of |webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, |NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any |of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably |good features as well. | |Regards |Sreekant G | | | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah you'll love it. It's table, features are plenty, and its amazing ;-) And I'm not advertising ... it's just because it's really good as I use it everyday for struts. Firat TIRYAKI wrote: you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This has been asked a few times previously. Search the list at: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-user Here are a few links to get you going: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-userm=105553549210511w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-userm=105340849127167w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-userm=105181912805195w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-userm=104693562228405w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-userm=104446665300603w=2 Hue. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 August 2003 07:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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OfCourse, I have tested it. Then only i can make these comments. I was just expressing my views on Eclipse for other people who were looking for a IDE. I have my own preferences for a IDE. thanks -raj Kwok Peng Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] net cc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 02:46 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List Have you actually tested it ? If you haven't then try it and see for yourself. Or you could try the other java based ide's around if you are not happy with Eclipse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Friends JBuilder 9 is really a good IDE. Does BTW Eclipse support ejb development? I used myEclipseIde for J2EE dev. and It was OK. Shashank S. Dixit Software Analyst. Datamatics Ltd. Contact: 28291253 ext 146 Mobile: 9820930075 Be brave against all odds. Never give up. -Original Message- From: Navjot Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:09 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Well, i like Eclipse a lot but it has it's constraints. If you wish to have O/R mapping support in your IDE, try JDeveloper etc. Although i have never used JBulder or IntelliJ but they are also good ones. navjot |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:16 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: J2EE IDE | | |Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of |webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, |NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any |of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably |good features as well. | |Regards |Sreekant G | | | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:03:03 +0300, Firat TIRYAKI wrote: you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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WSAD is the Good one. Thanks Nazeer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You should consider also Idea. The capability of code refactor is *big* *major* help for productivity. http://www.intellij.com/idea/ Which can integrat the same tool for struts editing like Eclipse. WSAD is the Good one. Thanks Nazeer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear All, I am using WSAD 5.0 . Suppose i wish to use the latest nighty build of struts, then can that be configured in WSAD 5.0 and how ? I assume that WSAD 5.0 comes with bundled struts release 1.0 ! Thanks in advance, Vijay José_Fortunato_H._Tomás [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should consider also Idea. The capability of code refactor is *big* *major* help for productivity. http://www.intellij.com/idea/ Which can integrat the same tool for struts editing like Eclipse. WSAD is the Good one. Thanks Nazeer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos
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Well, you can add struts support to every application you want, it automatically adds the required struts jar files when you open a new project. and struts 1.1 is supported too, you choose the version when you add. WSAD is the best IDE I've ever seen. F. - Original Message - From: Vijay Pawar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Dear All, I am using WSAD 5.0 . Suppose i wish to use the latest nighty build of struts, then can that be configured in WSAD 5.0 and how ? I assume that WSAD 5.0 comes with bundled struts release 1.0 ! Thanks in advance, Vijay José_Fortunato_H._Tomás [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should consider also Idea. The capability of code refactor is *big* *major* help for productivity. http://www.intellij.com/idea/ Which can integrat the same tool for struts editing like Eclipse. WSAD is the Good one. Thanks Nazeer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 for IDEA easy to start with as compared to Eclipse, rest of all is also too Easy, very helpful great features, refactoring , shortcuts, keymaps, templates Preforce external tools, you dont have to leave IDEA to do any extra work, everything could be configured in IDEA all of this and much more leads to productivity Panchasheel -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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a) Boot time : I haven't met a Java-based IDE that didn't have high boot time. That said, the core IDE boots pretty fast on my home machine (1GHz P4) -- much faster than NetBeans. Caveat--I quit using NetBeans because a) it was outclassed by Eclipse and b) I felt that the releases were becoming less stable. b) Refresh time : huh? I have no problems. Perhaps you need to disable the auto-compile feature? From the menu bar, select Window-Preferences-Workbench, uncheck Perform build automatically on resource modification, and hit OK. c) Crashes I've been using eclipse both at home and at work for almost a year and a half, and not once has it crashed. (Yes, this means I started using it even with the 1.0 release!) So I don't know what your problem is here if you are complaining about crashes--perhaps an incompatible JRE or OS (or just don't have enough memory) ? Another possibility is a bad plugin; have you installed any 3rd party plugins? d) No, you're not right on these points. ;^) David Hibbs Staff Programmer / Analyst American National Insurance Company -Original Message- But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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+1 again for IDEA -- nagi ---Original Message--- From: Struts Users Mailing List Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 08:34:54 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE +1 for IDEAeasy to start with as compared to Eclipse,rest of all is also too Easy, very helpfulgreat features, refactoring , shortcuts, keymaps, templatesPreforce external tools, you dont have to leave IDEA to do any extra work,everything could be configured in IDEAall of this and much moreleads to productivityPanchasheel-Original Message-From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:47 AMTo: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: J2EE IDEI would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan.Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse.-Original Message-From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AMTo: Struts Users Mailing ListSubject: Re: J2EE IDE+1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works.However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans.GregMick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick.DISCLAIMER:This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and maycontain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review,use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intendedrecipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copiesof the original message and attachments.-To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property ofKmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietaryinformation. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, ordistribution of this message, or the taking of any action based oninformation contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use ofinformation contained herein may subject you to civil and criminalprosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you shoulddelete this message immediately.-To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
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I use IntelliJ, really fast to get up and running, I believe eclipse is really good, but heard many complain that its hard to get up and running. But then again, there's a lot of support for it nowadays. Just pick one or two and try them out, one of them must be IntelliJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, copy or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the material from any computer. The New Africa Capital Group, its subsidiaries or associates do not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've tried to avoid getting sucked in, but here I go... Isn't IntelliJ a commercial product? From what I can work out form their web site, it's a $500 licence for version 3.0 (cheaper if you qualify for an academic licence). Eclipse is free. One thing that Eclipse does lack (surprisingly) is support for XML (although the XMLBuddy plug-in does an OK job), and J2EE. Having said that, most of my development work is done with XDoclet, so the lack of J2EE support is not a big issue. The thing that really makes Eclipse appeal to me is that it integrates with CVS and ClearCase (among others), so I can check in/out within the environment, has various SQL plug-ins so I can work with the db, JBoss IDE so I can start/stop/ debug into my app server, etc. Dan. PS These comments are personal and do not reflect the views or opinions of my employer, whose standard disclaimer undoubtedly appears below... -- Danny Yates _ Notice to recipient: The information in this internet e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee please notify the sender immediately by telephone. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to external clients any opinions or advice contained in this internet e-mail are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any applicable governing terms of business or client engagement letter issued by the pertinent Bank of America group entity. If this email originates from the U.K. please note that Bank of America, N.A., London Branch, Banc of America Securities Limited and Banc of America Futures Incorporated are regulated by the Financial Services Authority. _ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
JDeveloper 9.0.3 from Oracle is a great IDE with built-in support for Struts and outstanding database/EJB support. And free to single developers. Mark -Original Message- From: Butt, Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:15 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I use IntelliJ, really fast to get up and running, I believe eclipse is really good, but heard many complain that its hard to get up and running. But then again, there's a lot of support for it nowadays. Just pick one or two and try them out, one of them must be IntelliJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, copy or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the material from any computer. The New Africa Capital Group, its subsidiaries or associates do not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
I agree with David. Originally we were using Netbeans, but quickly dropped it due to stability issues (java.lang.Exceptions right in the middle of editing a file, for example.) We switched over to Eclipse 1.0; this version had some odd behaviour at times, but didn't crash like Netbeans. Version 2 and now 2.1 of Eclipse is super stable; I'm often on it for 8 or 10 hours a day, and have never had a crash. Boot time is much faster than version 1. I'm not sure about the refresh time - do you mean you are running your Ant build script every time? We don't use the built-in Ant support (actually don't use Ant at all), but the compile time when we modify a resource is blindly fast. I've never had to wait on a project re-build - never. +1 for Eclipse. Jerry Jalenak Team Lead, Web Publishing LabOne, Inc. 10101 Renner Blvd. Lenexa, KS 66219 (913) 577-1496 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Hibbs, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:13 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE a) Boot time : I haven't met a Java-based IDE that didn't have high boot time. That said, the core IDE boots pretty fast on my home machine (1GHz P4) -- much faster than NetBeans. Caveat--I quit using NetBeans because a) it was outclassed by Eclipse and b) I felt that the releases were becoming less stable. b) Refresh time : huh? I have no problems. Perhaps you need to disable the auto-compile feature? From the menu bar, select Window-Preferences-Workbench, uncheck Perform build automatically on resource modification, and hit OK. c) Crashes I've been using eclipse both at home and at work for almost a year and a half, and not once has it crashed. (Yes, this means I started using it even with the 1.0 release!) So I don't know what your problem is here if you are complaining about crashes--perhaps an incompatible JRE or OS (or just don't have enough memory) ? Another possibility is a bad plugin; have you installed any 3rd party plugins? d) No, you're not right on these points. ;^) David Hibbs Staff Programmer / Analyst American National Insurance Company -Original Message- But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This transmission (and any information attached to it) may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the transmission to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this transmission in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify LabOne at the following email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE - IDEA - Freeware ?
Hi folks, Just wanted to know weather idea is a freeware as eclipse or we have to shell out few dollars for it ? Regards Vijay Gandle, Panchasheel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 for IDEA easy to start with as compared to Eclipse, rest of all is also too Easy, very helpful great features, refactoring , shortcuts, keymaps, templates Preforce external tools, you dont have to leave IDEA to do any extra work, everything could be configured in IDEA all of this and much more leads to productivity Panchasheel -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos
RE: J2EE IDE
I must say that ECLIPSE wins for the lot of plugins and the quality of cvs plugin integration. IDEA wins for the pleasure and produtivty devloping with. Nevertheless IDEA is in a way which will provide also a good cvs integration. The quality for refactoring, live templating, and other issues common to the referred IDEs are of better qaulity in IDEA. In a set of work teams, here at my work, we are making comparation between them. The winners are ECLIPSE and IDEA. ECLIPSE could be choosed to win because is free, but ECLIPSE defenly wins for the produtivity and code qaulity. I also must say that my work teams do J2EE projects. ECLIPSE lose badly in JSP code edition. Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE - IDEA - Freeware ?
Yes! Is true! What's good is good! If you look at the site you can see something about 500$ for seat licence. http://www.intellij.com/ Hi folks, Just wanted to know weather idea is a freeware as eclipse or we have to shell out few dollars for it ? Regards Vijay Gandle, Panchasheel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 for IDEA easy to start with as compared to Eclipse, rest of all is also too Easy, very helpful great features, refactoring , shortcuts, keymaps, templates Preforce external tools, you dont have to leave IDEA to do any extra work, everything could be configured in IDEA all of this and much more leads to productivity Panchasheel -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
Raj, I had slow Eclipse load times (no crashes and no refresh issues) but my excuse was that I ran it on a dual CPU PII/266 MHz setup w/512 MB RAM (5 years old), not something modern. When I tried it in the office on an AMD 1300+ processor w/512 MB RAM, it loaded much faster and ran a somewhat faster. Just don't try developing Struts under Tomcat on something because JSP compilation times takes YEARS. :( I'm developing remotely now so I switched to VI over SSH. Since I'm still learning Struts/Java, I've found I'm learning it a lot faster without the distraction of an IDE. Now that I'm getting a handle on Struts, I'll probably switch back to Eclipse once I upgrade my home computer, now an ancient artifact. Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:03 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
There's a wiki page for this topic that might be a better place to post IDE reviews that on the mailing list. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?MyFavoriteIDEAndWhy (I sent this already but it didn't make it to the list. The original may show up in a few hours, so sorry if this is a duplicate). Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
Just IMHO: 1. Eclipse and JDeveloper are FREE 2. IDEA is better - their speeds up you're coding a lot VS. Eclipse and JDeveloper Setup Eclipse may take long time - all plug-ins, etc If you (a company) have money - I'll go with IDEA But who has money now? Best Regards. Michael. -Original Message- From: David Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:44 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Raj, I had slow Eclipse load times (no crashes and no refresh issues) but my excuse was that I ran it on a dual CPU PII/266 MHz setup w/512 MB RAM (5 years old), not something modern. When I tried it in the office on an AMD 1300+ processor w/512 MB RAM, it loaded much faster and ran a somewhat faster. Just don't try developing Struts under Tomcat on something because JSP compilation times takes YEARS. :( I'm developing remotely now so I switched to VI over SSH. Since I'm still learning Struts/Java, I've found I'm learning it a lot faster without the distraction of an IDE. Now that I'm getting a handle on Struts, I'll probably switch back to Eclipse once I upgrade my home computer, now an ancient artifact. Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:03 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
All in all, vi or VIM remains the Real Programmer's editor! Mark -Original Message- From: Michael Korolyov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:01 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Just IMHO: 1. Eclipse and JDeveloper are FREE 2. IDEA is better - their speeds up you're coding a lot VS. Eclipse and JDeveloper Setup Eclipse may take long time - all plug-ins, etc If you (a company) have money - I'll go with IDEA But who has money now? Best Regards. Michael. -Original Message- From: David Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:44 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Raj, I had slow Eclipse load times (no crashes and no refresh issues) but my excuse was that I ran it on a dual CPU PII/266 MHz setup w/512 MB RAM (5 years old), not something modern. When I tried it in the office on an AMD 1300+ processor w/512 MB RAM, it loaded much faster and ran a somewhat faster. Just don't try developing Struts under Tomcat on something because JSP compilation times takes YEARS. :( I'm developing remotely now so I switched to VI over SSH. Since I'm still learning Struts/Java, I've found I'm learning it a lot faster without the distraction of an IDE. Now that I'm getting a handle on Struts, I'll probably switch back to Eclipse once I upgrade my home computer, now an ancient artifact. Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:03 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] RE: J2EE IDE
Well, this topic comes up here quite often, but is usually tagged OT way sooner. Mark Not all .lengths were created equal -Original Message- From: Steve Raeburn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:55 PM To: Struts Users List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE There's a wiki page for this topic that might be a better place to post IDE reviews that on the mailing list. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?MyFavoriteIDEAndWhy (I sent this already but it didn't make it to the list. The original may show up in a few hours, so sorry if this is a duplicate). Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
IntelliJ costs $500 now. When I bought it was $200. That given I would still spend $500 on this tool as it is the only ide I've ever used (was always a textpad macro kind of guy). If you're a contractor it will pay for itself in the first month by time saved. It's about the only software tool I pay for. The refactoring and autocompletion tools have saved hours of my life. BAL From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:28:12 +0100 I've tried to avoid getting sucked in, but here I go... Isn't IntelliJ a commercial product? From what I can work out form their web site, it's a $500 licence for version 3.0 (cheaper if you qualify for an academic licence). Eclipse is free. One thing that Eclipse does lack (surprisingly) is support for XML (although the XMLBuddy plug-in does an OK job), and J2EE. Having said that, most of my development work is done with XDoclet, so the lack of J2EE support is not a big issue. The thing that really makes Eclipse appeal to me is that it integrates with CVS and ClearCase (among others), so I can check in/out within the environment, has various SQL plug-ins so I can work with the db, JBoss IDE so I can start/stop/ debug into my app server, etc. Dan. PS These comments are personal and do not reflect the views or opinions of my employer, whose standard disclaimer undoubtedly appears below... -- Danny Yates _ Notice to recipient: The information in this internet e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee please notify the sender immediately by telephone. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to external clients any opinions or advice contained in this internet e-mail are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any applicable governing terms of business or client engagement letter issued by the pertinent Bank of America group entity. If this email originates from the U.K. please note that Bank of America, N.A., London Branch, Banc of America Securities Limited and Banc of America Futures Incorporated are regulated by the Financial Services Authority. _ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige using MSN Messenger http://entertainment.msn.com/imastar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
If I could get an IDE to emulate vi in its editor ... I'd really be happy. I said that through my Visual C++ and Visual Basic days (you should of seen some of the looks I got from the cradle Visual Studio users) and I still say it during my Java days. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:00 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE All in all, vi or VIM remains the Real Programmer's editor! Mark -Original Message- From: Michael Korolyov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:01 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Just IMHO: 1. Eclipse and JDeveloper are FREE 2. IDEA is better - their speeds up you're coding a lot VS. Eclipse and JDeveloper Setup Eclipse may take long time - all plug-ins, etc If you (a company) have money - I'll go with IDEA But who has money now? Best Regards. Michael. -Original Message- From: David Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:44 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Raj, I had slow Eclipse load times (no crashes and no refresh issues) but my excuse was that I ran it on a dual CPU PII/266 MHz setup w/512 MB RAM (5 years old), not something modern. When I tried it in the office on an AMD 1300+ processor w/512 MB RAM, it loaded much faster and ran a somewhat faster. Just don't try developing Struts under Tomcat on something because JSP compilation times takes YEARS. :( I'm developing remotely now so I switched to VI over SSH. Since I'm still learning Struts/Java, I've found I'm learning it a lot faster without the distraction of an IDE. Now that I'm getting a handle on Struts, I'll probably switch back to Eclipse once I upgrade my home computer, now an ancient artifact. Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:03 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: J2EE IDE
IDE's aren't really my bag but there is a plugin for borland that gives you vi inside the IDE. Think I saw it on source forge.. On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 06:37 PM, Witt, Mike (OH35) wrote: If I could get an IDE to emulate vi in its editor ... I'd really be happy. I said that through my Visual C++ and Visual Basic days (you should of seen some of the looks I got from the cradle Visual Studio users) and I still say it during my Java days. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:00 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE All in all, vi or VIM remains the Real Programmer's editor! Mark -Original Message- From: Michael Korolyov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:01 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Just IMHO: 1. Eclipse and JDeveloper are FREE 2. IDEA is better - their speeds up you're coding a lot VS. Eclipse and JDeveloper Setup Eclipse may take long time - all plug-ins, etc If you (a company) have money - I'll go with IDEA But who has money now? Best Regards. Michael. -Original Message- From: David Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:44 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Raj, I had slow Eclipse load times (no crashes and no refresh issues) but my excuse was that I ran it on a dual CPU PII/266 MHz setup w/512 MB RAM (5 years old), not something modern. When I tried it in the office on an AMD 1300+ processor w/512 MB RAM, it loaded much faster and ran a somewhat faster. Just don't try developing Struts under Tomcat on something because JSP compilation times takes YEARS. :( I'm developing remotely now so I switched to VI over SSH. Since I'm still learning Struts/Java, I've found I'm learning it a lot faster without the distraction of an IDE. Now that I'm getting a handle on Struts, I'll probably switch back to Eclipse once I upgrade my home computer, now an ancient artifact. Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:03 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G --- - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
NetBeans has experimental support available for external editors. From their feature list: External Editor - integrates emacs (XEmacs) and vi (Vim) with NetBeans. More editors can be integrated as well although the external editor team is currently focusing on the above two editors. I've never tried the vi support, but I am a happy NetBeans user. -Bill Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: J2EE IDE If I could get an IDE to emulate vi in its editor ... I'd really be happy. I said that through my Visual C++ and Visual Basic days (you should of seen some of the looks I got from the cradle Visual Studio users) and I still say it during my Java days. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:00 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE All in all, vi or VIM remains the Real Programmer's editor! Mark -Original Message- From: Michael Korolyov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:01 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Just IMHO: 1. Eclipse and JDeveloper are FREE 2. IDEA is better - their speeds up you're coding a lot VS. Eclipse and JDeveloper Setup Eclipse may take long time - all plug-ins, etc If you (a company) have money - I'll go with IDEA But who has money now? Best Regards. Michael. -Original Message- From: David Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:44 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Raj, I had slow Eclipse load times (no crashes and no refresh issues) but my excuse was that I ran it on a dual CPU PII/266 MHz setup w/512 MB RAM (5 years old), not something modern. When I tried it in the office on an AMD 1300+ processor w/512 MB RAM, it loaded much faster and ran a somewhat faster. Just don't try developing Struts under Tomcat on something because JSP compilation times takes YEARS. :( I'm developing remotely now so I switched to VI over SSH. Since I'm still learning Struts/Java, I've found I'm learning it a lot faster without the distraction of an IDE. Now that I'm getting a handle on Struts, I'll probably switch back to Eclipse once I upgrade my home computer, now an ancient artifact. Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:03 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] RE: J2EE IDE
That's good to know - thanks for sharing. -Original Message- From: William T Hansley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:44 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE NetBeans has experimental support available for external editors. From their feature list: External Editor - integrates emacs (XEmacs) and vi (Vim) with NetBeans. More editors can be integrated as well although the external editor team is currently focusing on the above two editors. I've never tried the vi support, but I am a happy NetBeans user. -Bill Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: J2EE IDE If I could get an IDE to emulate vi in its editor ... I'd really be happy. I said that through my Visual C++ and Visual Basic days (you should of seen some of the looks I got from the cradle Visual Studio users) and I still say it during my Java days. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:00 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE All in all, vi or VIM remains the Real Programmer's editor! Mark -Original Message- From: Michael Korolyov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:01 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Just IMHO: 1. Eclipse and JDeveloper are FREE 2. IDEA is better - their speeds up you're coding a lot VS. Eclipse and JDeveloper Setup Eclipse may take long time - all plug-ins, etc If you (a company) have money - I'll go with IDEA But who has money now? Best Regards. Michael. -Original Message- From: David Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:44 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Raj, I had slow Eclipse load times (no crashes and no refresh issues) but my excuse was that I ran it on a dual CPU PII/266 MHz setup w/512 MB RAM (5 years old), not something modern. When I tried it in the office on an AMD 1300+ processor w/512 MB RAM, it loaded much faster and ran a somewhat faster. Just don't try developing Struts under Tomcat on something because JSP compilation times takes YEARS. :( I'm developing remotely now so I switched to VI over SSH. Since I'm still learning Struts/Java, I've found I'm learning it a lot faster without the distraction of an IDE. Now that I'm getting a handle on Struts, I'll probably switch back to Eclipse once I upgrade my home computer, now an ancient artifact. Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:03 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e
[OT] RE: J2EE IDE
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, William T Hansley wrote: External Editor - integrates emacs (XEmacs) and vi (Vim) with NetBeans. More editors can be integrated as well although the external editor team is currently focusing on the above two editors. I've never tried the vi support, but I am a happy NetBeans user. My vote has to go to: Free: Eclipse Not Free: IDEA - If you can get your company to buy this for you, go for it. IntelliJ also had a special around last December - January where you could buy an IDEA license for $150. Maybe they will do that again? Also, both Eclipse and IDEA have vi plug-ins. I just use vim when I want fast editing, so I can't say how good they work. I can only say that I've seen them. Eclipse: http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net/eclipse/plugin_details.jsp?id=331 IDEA: http://www.intellij.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VimPlugin -- Melissa L Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.stuology.net -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] RE: J2EE IDE
I use vi emulation inside both Idea IntelliJ and Eclipse and have been very pleased. The best of both worlds. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 11:04 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: [OT] RE: J2EE IDE That's good to know - thanks for sharing. -Original Message- From: William T Hansley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:44 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE NetBeans has experimental support available for external editors. From their feature list: External Editor - integrates emacs (XEmacs) and vi (Vim) with NetBeans. More editors can be integrated as well although the external editor team is currently focusing on the above two editors. I've never tried the vi support, but I am a happy NetBeans user. -Bill Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: J2EE IDE If I could get an IDE to emulate vi in its editor ... I'd really be happy. I said that through my Visual C++ and Visual Basic days (you should of seen some of the looks I got from the cradle Visual Studio users) and I still say it during my Java days. -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:00 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE All in all, vi or VIM remains the Real Programmer's editor! Mark -Original Message- From: Michael Korolyov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:01 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Just IMHO: 1. Eclipse and JDeveloper are FREE 2. IDEA is better - their speeds up you're coding a lot VS. Eclipse and JDeveloper Setup Eclipse may take long time - all plug-ins, etc If you (a company) have money - I'll go with IDEA But who has money now? Best Regards. Michael. -Original Message- From: David Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:44 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Raj, I had slow Eclipse load times (no crashes and no refresh issues) but my excuse was that I ran it on a dual CPU PII/266 MHz setup w/512 MB RAM (5 years old), not something modern. When I tried it in the office on an AMD 1300+ processor w/512 MB RAM, it loaded much faster and ran a somewhat faster. Just don't try developing Struts under Tomcat on something because JSP compilation times takes YEARS. :( I'm developing remotely now so I switched to VI over SSH. Since I'm still learning Struts/Java, I've found I'm learning it a lot faster without the distraction of an IDE. Now that I'm getting a handle on Struts, I'll probably switch back to Eclipse once I upgrade my home computer, now an ancient artifact. Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:03 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE But eclipse has many problems at runtime. Boot up time is too high. Refresh time too high. Crashes very often. Am i right on these points ? thanks -raj Firat TIRYAKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] m.trcc: Subject: Re: J2EE IDE 27/08/2003 01:33 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List you should use eclipse, it doesn't use swing for GUI's, and it's faster than the others. F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: J2EE IDE
Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for you. James Childers wrote: Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Emerson Cargnin Analista de Sistemas Setor de Desenvolvimento de Sistemas - TRE-SC tel : (048) - 251-3700 - Ramal 3181 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] [Way OT] RE: J2EE IDE
Smelly heretic! Don't you dare oppress me! The Fowlerians shall smite the wicked Gammalons for all eternity! -= J -Original Message- From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for you. James Childers wrote: Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Emerson Cargnin Analista de Sistemas Setor de Desenvolvimento de Sistemas - TRE-SC tel : (048) - 251-3700 - Ramal 3181 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
+1 for IDEA, its simply great tool, everything in it leads to productivity, Panchasheel -Original Message- From: Vijay Pawar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:24 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Dear All, I am using WSAD 5.0 . Suppose i wish to use the latest nighty build of struts, then can that be configured in WSAD 5.0 and how ? I assume that WSAD 5.0 comes with bundled struts release 1.0 ! Thanks in advance, Vijay José_Fortunato_H._Tomás [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should consider also Idea. The capability of code refactor is *big* *major* help for productivity. http://www.intellij.com/idea/ Which can integrat the same tool for struts editing like Eclipse. WSAD is the Good one. Thanks Nazeer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from previous authors. It isn't worth the money. -Original Message- From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for you. James Childers wrote: Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Emerson Cargnin Analista de Sistemas Setor de Desenvolvimento de Sistemas - TRE-SC tel : (048) - 251-3700 - Ramal 3181 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
THEY ALL SUCK! Just pick the one that causes YOU the least pain. Brandon Goodin Avid Eclipse user (1yr) Post Netbeans User (2yr) IDEA (1mo) -Original Message- From: Gandle, Panchasheel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:37 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE +1 for IDEA, its simply great tool, everything in it leads to productivity, Panchasheel -Original Message- From: Vijay Pawar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:24 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Dear All, I am using WSAD 5.0 . Suppose i wish to use the latest nighty build of struts, then can that be configured in WSAD 5.0 and how ? I assume that WSAD 5.0 comes with bundled struts release 1.0 ! Thanks in advance, Vijay José_Fortunato_H._Tomás [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should consider also Idea. The capability of code refactor is *big* *major* help for productivity. http://www.intellij.com/idea/ Which can integrat the same tool for struts editing like Eclipse. WSAD is the Good one. Thanks Nazeer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
I like flowers while i code. Brandon Goodin -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:16 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from previous authors. It isn't worth the money. -Original Message- From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for you. James Childers wrote: Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Emerson Cargnin Analista de Sistemas Setor de Desenvolvimento de Sistemas - TRE-SC tel : (048) - 251-3700 - Ramal 3181 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: J2EE IDE
--- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from previous authors. It's completely irrelevant who came up with the patterns and he doesn't claim to have thought of all of them. What is important is that he published a well written and insightful enterprise patterns reference book. It isn't worth the money. I disagree. It's well worth the price to have all these patterns in one place and described quite well. I found it to be a good complement to Design Patterns. David -Original Message- From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for you. James Childers wrote: Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Emerson Cargnin Analista de Sistemas Setor de Desenvolvimento de Sistemas - TRE-SC tel : (048
RE: J2EE IDE
Gotta disagree with you there, little buckaroo. Only the second half of the book is a GoF-style collection of patterns. The first half is a description of how they are meant to fit together. Besides, the GoF was technically just a collection of patterns done separately by previous authors. And Fowler gives credit where credit is due. I have no beef with him or the book. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:16 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from previous authors. It isn't worth the money. -Original Message- From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for you. James Childers wrote: Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e
[OT] RE: J2EE IDE
That's what I told my sister about boys Mark -Original Message- From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:36 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE THEY ALL SUCK! Just pick the one that causes YOU the least pain. Brandon Goodin Avid Eclipse user (1yr) Post Netbeans User (2yr) IDEA (1mo) -Original Message- From: Gandle, Panchasheel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:37 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE +1 for IDEA, its simply great tool, everything in it leads to productivity, Panchasheel -Original Message- From: Vijay Pawar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:24 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Dear All, I am using WSAD 5.0 . Suppose i wish to use the latest nighty build of struts, then can that be configured in WSAD 5.0 and how ? I assume that WSAD 5.0 comes with bundled struts release 1.0 ! Thanks in advance, Vijay José_Fortunato_H._Tomás [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should consider also Idea. The capability of code refactor is *big* *major* help for productivity. http://www.intellij.com/idea/ Which can integrat the same tool for struts editing like Eclipse. WSAD is the Good one. Thanks Nazeer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE IDE
I have to take the opposite point of view. They are all good. It's your own programming skill that matters the most. -Original Message- From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 27, 2003 2:36 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE THEY ALL SUCK! Just pick the one that causes YOU the least pain. Brandon Goodin Avid Eclipse user (1yr) Post Netbeans User (2yr) IDEA (1mo) -Original Message- From: Gandle, Panchasheel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:37 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE +1 for IDEA, its simply great tool, everything in it leads to productivity, Panchasheel -Original Message- From: Vijay Pawar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:24 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Dear All, I am using WSAD 5.0 . Suppose i wish to use the latest nighty build of struts, then can that be configured in WSAD 5.0 and how ? I assume that WSAD 5.0 comes with bundled struts release 1.0 ! Thanks in advance, Vijay José_Fortunato_H._Tomás [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should consider also Idea. The capability of code refactor is *big* *major* help for productivity. http://www.intellij.com/idea/ Which can integrat the same tool for struts editing like Eclipse. WSAD is the Good one. Thanks Nazeer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: J2EE IDE - patterns creator runt - back to struts
ok, I like them both, Kent beck, martin fowler, gama, all them have credits, let's talk about struts? isn't what this list is for? James Childers wrote: Gotta disagree with you there, little buckaroo. Only the second half of the book is a GoF-style collection of patterns. The first half is a description of how they are meant to fit together. Besides, the GoF was technically just a collection of patterns done separately by previous authors. And Fowler gives credit where credit is due. I have no beef with him or the book. -= J -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:16 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from previous authors. It isn't worth the money. -Original Message- From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for you. James Childers wrote: Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: J2EE IDE
You are obviously a Fowler groupie. Try Metsker, Design Patterns Jave Workbook ( Addison-Wesley 2002) -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:47 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from previous authors. It's completely irrelevant who came up with the patterns and he doesn't claim to have thought of all of them. What is important is that he published a well written and insightful enterprise patterns reference book. It isn't worth the money. I disagree. It's well worth the price to have all these patterns in one place and described quite well. I found it to be a good complement to Design Patterns. David -Original Message- From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for you. James Childers wrote: Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message and its contents (to include attachments) are the property of Kmart Corporation (Kmart) and may contain confidential and proprietary information. You are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on information contained herein is strictly prohibited. Unauthorized use of information contained herein may subject you to civil and criminal prosecution and penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message immediately. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: J2EE IDE
I'm glad you are enjoying the kool-aid. Drink up. :-p Brandon Goodin -Original Message- From: Yansheng Lin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:24 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I have to take the opposite point of view. They are all good. It's your own programming skill that matters the most. -Original Message- From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 27, 2003 2:36 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE THEY ALL SUCK! Just pick the one that causes YOU the least pain. Brandon Goodin Avid Eclipse user (1yr) Post Netbeans User (2yr) IDEA (1mo) -Original Message- From: Gandle, Panchasheel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:37 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE +1 for IDEA, its simply great tool, everything in it leads to productivity, Panchasheel -Original Message- From: Vijay Pawar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:24 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE Dear All, I am using WSAD 5.0 . Suppose i wish to use the latest nighty build of struts, then can that be configured in WSAD 5.0 and how ? I assume that WSAD 5.0 comes with bundled struts release 1.0 ! Thanks in advance, Vijay José_Fortunato_H._Tomás [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should consider also Idea. The capability of code refactor is *big* *major* help for productivity. http://www.intellij.com/idea/ Which can integrat the same tool for struts editing like Eclipse. WSAD is the Good one. Thanks Nazeer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: J2EE IDE Can someone please suggest me a free J2EE IDE suitable for development of webapps using STRUTS. I know of some IDE's like the FORTE, ECLIPSE, NETBEANS. However I wanted to ckeckout if anyone has already evaluated any of these since I am not sure which one is easy to use and has reasonably good features as well. Regards Sreekant G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- José Tomás @ Chico - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more!Click onYahoo! India Promos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] RE: J2EE IDE
Well then most of the world are obviously a Fowler groupies. Metsker gets 4 stars on Amazon whilst Fowler gets 4 1/2. I have not read Metsker but the TOC suggests that these two books are quite different. From what I have browsed of PoEA it is not a design patterns explained typed book written to accompany the GOF book. Instead it looks at the problems that Enterprise Application developers face and provides a reference of patterns that can be used as solutions. And what's the use of having examples in Jave when I use Java :-) -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2003 9:37 a.m. To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE You are obviously a Fowler groupie. Try Metsker, Design Patterns Jave Workbook ( Addison-Wesley 2002) -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:47 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from previous authors. It's completely irrelevant who came up with the patterns and he doesn't claim to have thought of all of them. What is important is that he published a well written and insightful enterprise patterns reference book. It isn't worth the money. I disagree. It's well worth the price to have all these patterns in one place and described quite well. I found it to be a good complement to Design Patterns. David -Original Message- From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for you. James Childers wrote: Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all out :) Mick. DISCLAIMER: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message
RE: [OT] RE: J2EE IDE
I disagree - all the professional literature I read inclined me to that opinion - including reviews on Amazon. Don't get me wrong - I believe Fowler's Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code (Addison-Wesley 1999) is an essential work ( with a forward by Gamma). My criticism is that his patterns book is just rehashed stuff from other authors and adds nothing to the literature. Mark -Original Message- From: Shane Mingins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:17 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: [OT] RE: J2EE IDE Well then most of the world are obviously a Fowler groupies. Metsker gets 4 stars on Amazon whilst Fowler gets 4 1/2. I have not read Metsker but the TOC suggests that these two books are quite different. From what I have browsed of PoEA it is not a design patterns explained typed book written to accompany the GOF book. Instead it looks at the problems that Enterprise Application developers face and provides a reference of patterns that can be used as solutions. And what's the use of having examples in Jave when I use Java :-) -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2003 9:37 a.m. To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: J2EE IDE You are obviously a Fowler groupie. Try Metsker, Design Patterns Jave Workbook ( Addison-Wesley 2002) -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:47 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: J2EE IDE --- Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Fowler ripped all the patterns in that book from previous authors. It's completely irrelevant who came up with the patterns and he doesn't claim to have thought of all of them. What is important is that he published a well written and insightful enterprise patterns reference book. It isn't worth the money. I disagree. It's well worth the price to have all these patterns in one place and described quite well. I found it to be a good complement to Design Patterns. David -Original Message- From: Emerson Cargnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:14 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE Erich Gamma is one for eclipse leaders, does this means anything for you. James Childers wrote: Here, friends and neighbors, is an example of the appeal to authority fallacy: In Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture, Martin Fowler specifically commends IDEA. If he uses it, so should you. -= J p.s. I use Eclipse vim. -Original Message- From: Mainguy, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: J2EE IDE I would have said netbeans a year ago, but now I'm an eclipse 2 (2.1) fan. Haven't tried any recent (last 6 months) IDEs other than eclipse. -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:09 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: J2EE IDE +1 on NetBeans although I've not used Eclipse. I tend to stop looking when I find something that works. However, I find that 90% of the time it's quicker for me to just use vi and Ant. I use NetBeans for debugging though. And if I'm forced to use Windows for my development I'll immediately install NetBeans. Greg Mick Wever wrote: Looks like another IDE war coming on :-) You need to check out them out yourself. As you will no doubt soon see, each of us have different likes and requirements. NetBeans is known for its outstanding GUI (Form) editor and JSP editing. It also has excellent support for CVS and Ant integration. While Eclipse is very good at refactoring. I prefer to use NetBeans as it suits more for the power user. You can change just about anything under its hood from within the IDE. At my new job they were all using JDeveloper, a commercial product, and it only took me 3 weeks to convert all of them to NetBeans. NetBeans now has some nice features in it's suggestion module that will automatically fix code for you, examples are: - missing javadoc tags, - missing import statements, - missing object castings, - and more... I find it just heaven when an IDE fixes your code for you before you have even compiled it. I don't like Eclipse because it is not all written in java. It is written in a mixture of languages and therefore cannot run on all platforms. You also cannot use the different LookFeels that are out there for java. Eclipse is also very short on features compared to NetBeans. This abundance of features can (naturally) slow it down, make sure to turn off all the features you won't be using after you have given them a test run. Again, find out your requirements, and try them all
