Re: [freenet-support] Load
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Toad wrote: | No, if you can do that, then you can portscan for Freenet nodes. That's | a REALLY bad idea. You need to use some sort of seednodes mechanism. Why is that a bad idea? If a government is paranoid enough, they can just put devices all over which block any crypted traffic. Some sort of way for an effective seednodes file to be chosen or built quickly, then. |Obviously clients should be able to override that, but I think that fast |node connection is feasable, if The Network (TM) was fast enough. | | | Maybe so. But we want them to be USEFUL to the network. That won't | happen if they're only up for 5 minutes. They are useful if they make it more popular. Suppose there is some lag, say, 30 seconds to a minute to get an effective seednodes.ref. On top of that, such a node probably wouldn't be able to have a terribly big cache. Then there's incentive for people to whine for permanent nodes, and it wouldn't be too long before these Public Access Internet Terminals (or whatever hype word they use now) start being preloaded with Freenet. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQQB9SHgHNmZLgCUhAQI/iBAAlmwi6Cq3M9hsrkFPMzt7R1kZm2UmVhlo FBOWVJSfNQMxNsMYNOiwdPLHBqRIoIvKJsvIbTORGu9/M283c2Voqq14RhprL14n nA518/8cAmhoBrNJuMXg5ji8IqDbX4Jn4zg40HGf5nvxSsAveGmbfVZ2T7NveKZO 6Cs87GCuxlizgstOFRKP6S5Tsvrk16skQzyevwDm9tClbS5w2mbOFnk46h1uORQB kOPLP4vggS8f6QZPAZdsTU+iKZ3FHOo9ewY2zPWj43H6vYUkejIqLzas0/IZhSkL 6xkpJKT4tg33JAmrYiPp8c/gDBUoESP6F7OrbEccsc4TYb6z/mKWO2CZa/6m5XLQ z+D1W++uypAHr3KCPCg0ejHkIHHb3ixv58vWE4Ov+g5wyrio9eKxQyVNhHmegzkg v8ttcbXsrATnoNUv2qHbIPspqpJctbgE9+d/0dcwRmHII2465GeoZNW62slJ9goO 55WNgG9kpKQpmPaYok3zTiHsd2cTHxIEbRgEKG5SK2lx9d8SHqOuCnFWKJkY7LZZ Vgk//qqzN3dbsGDB821uhjmXHeBnNy1awjwy0EufuzA28G0tiRHY/dNLI+BUtBep beHP/K8h5wBWRIrknvtFYxKQY+WK2BrXFdcjB+EYnGv/r/ySxRbJ/6yURIMD9JaG sUgy81bqMtw= =a4R+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Load
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Zenon Panoussis wrote: | | | David Masover wrote: | | Of course, if you don't own | your own computer, how can you trust it? One-way trust. Suppose my bro | trusts me, but I don't trust him, I have root, and he wants Freenet. | | | You don't need root to run it and it's probably a good idea | to not run it as root even when you are root. | # useradd -r -d /path/to/freenet freenet | # su - freenet -c /path/to/start-freenet.sh | Just going by the Gentoo package, but thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'd rather make it work first and deal with that later. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQP8pCHgHNmZLgCUhAQJmiBAAnY0vFcpdQzobqug8B9/F9jw4jxa0cBWT wEml2qCctZZkroolbFW4n2TBg5odm4po8MH2E0+thlIcJfdIjxttRFmTmcRZ82ld UZwdKPT6uwJqBbdsJ1m+8FN305KvKhXswWWwY/IlDsQRO0jkG24JTCwmKggGpm7X txPFK5VxY1HqiJ1xvgU6py9Y3qNmV+c0s+9XcHi+BDVpQBsxYpzM4abr0OoJMp9d NGcUZf13/ORuhaMAxTrr+rzXnESxbJCMj3W9kAy4xb2p5ExJpN8fzDgWyF2GC1Dc zDl6ZBiIDK7aOV8SSBi0ZU75yS6OIz784Ci2yz6tfp/2lni7J2xLO16/5tZj2yaY p1gq5Znjf08jtK43DZqICcSNae81whUuFfIEPpqTIYA3uivA0itAVGg+0mLCKZTC Ik3YH9/XX+FwR6eAdPUNbcPGMWotnl/6CBcA3E7Y+y4YwSWNPC4BxwiVmiti8Eqz wOFjaFp0Lv9b+goMLyJwRgaXV4Qd0ij+wptPiRz6vcbShuBecLz2qEPzFE/O3Q07 nRj7JD3e5PqPOS1KGHiC+GfCzOFg7jTmUF/k8qwBiFlp+Tip3WMboc5j/xOGxt5a C47Ri0rYbvOts3XdANMebq72YDqCUc+Qwx3ay8izuegl8tnZEkgCwAZcVmFUZXgD VRo1nWPJs9Y= =exCq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Load
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Toad wrote: | java -cp freenet.jar freenet.Version on a command line? Freenet: Fred 0.5 (protocol STABLE-1.50) build 5084 (last good build: 5083) | Show me it. Same as what you've been seeing in the logs, pretty much. Since it dies now same as ever. Again, those urls are http://slaphack.com/freenet.conf http://slaphack.com/freenet.log | Thanks. That log appears to start from well into execution. Ah, no, it's | because of logLevel=error. Oops. logLevel=Normal, for now. | java -version java version 1.4.1 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.1-01) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build Blackdown-1.4.1-01, mixed mode) || Not possible. Java applets are not able to connect to servers other than | |Are not allowed to. They seem to be able to, if the user clicks yes |on a do you trust these people? dialog box. | | | Are they? Hmm. If you can prove that that would be really interesting. Googling for Java IRC Client... http://www.jpilot.com/products/jirc/demo1.html You're allowed to connect out to anywhere, if the user grants you permission. Or is it just me? Does this work with the bastardized Microsoft VM? | However I don't see Freenet running well as a Java applet, because it | won't run for long enough... Freenet clients should be able to find nearby nodes fairly quickly. I mean, check which hosts on the local network have a Freenet port open, traceroute to figure out if we're on NAT and try to find nodes near the gateway, etc etc. Obviously clients should be able to override that, but I think that fast node connection is feasable, if The Network (TM) was fast enough. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQP8yW3gHNmZLgCUhAQJhZA/+JgN/uytQo5n1WKmPel2Y9LDM5V3096Je Sc/glsFEg512XBS/Gu/M2fdkPrn0pWPtiIbyAV4B6rBWwjhrOXiBe7bgRh8TV40X WP6OhF3wHqsTZImlgOsrCix/LUST/6l1qnsdHDjxkfNMaKWza9nUsIyzuvDLl5Ju mXGajo0/EzU8VYZ6rreY97s9BZtLTkcXJ++7m+XuNhrjiAQ64g9dimk43KF176T0 QOvSc4U8kFmKh4Oeb03wkWF1O+UoYl4E9OTLS16qVmOyDomF/wS2+SglUWR12XFl wm74jocGAZDBPE3FaDr5rb6AQ2gEWDJgHKZtZNJNd3ofhsq7l7AFtY7tJHRfrfy/ YhG+CNLbqpMHhHaPCms0IFk9lswaT2TLtbbJ2iCSL4qsn5jQXdXHkrcOQbcOhBI3 CGh17cKDRIDoIZHx54iDKDF+QWD4KAmv5URGzrF44ZgF/2aPQs9JQW51pYtI5Pf5 5TNQIwK3mFCgGOYaT5QGZAaZmy8bJzVRis3g9sK7hMq+bKFkF4kldawoWGv9ohsn Z+WPCxjsCgwkBKMWJ0SFd7pL+TTeSwTuk8pzAhnRA51gfN5LVHvOYzfu1hi68Mzd yikF5aJveXJuTN+HnC+NRDEAl0oOHGCH7hOYq+0Z0zEiXPPQtk0Ut+sxWn9Dwq12 X8i4S1vf9zg= =1w22 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Load
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 TLD wrote: | what's your mainport.allowedHosts= setting, and what's the IP of the | computer you're trying to access from? It's sane. Or you tell me: http://slaphack.com/freenet.conf http://slaphack.com/freenet.log -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQP8yuHgHNmZLgCUhAQI0zQ/+POC5/kUI1lSIJuFRBN+D3zIRVBZBy0VE NTpouOBnnh5NSdoikl0Dr2I1wReyM6PVkCg7ToTcyZ66xhQ03wkDdLOTJ4IM73yY 7N7oI+gGl4B4emlm1oBZ1AExQVYGHrcZ98QU3+GdZo3MdROty5Vj3mRUhxz1KLDm 4673mNGEi4rtmL0ZAwONr7FTcf2QHF9HH/vwrYbG9VOE758Z6eNBuxBbtrFUrLnP fOq7tTFHqxaKZkRcmaSN0YMBjQC416xLicB90Grg9O6auqGQae57EJQmmveqCN8u eYFil0/JG6/46o0wA6eoXPkdIxX0eHztgPqiHgYSEfGOnBxkouwqRO5KKVdb6kMF HMDSa4BGp2MsBN420TkHy0z3/47KqY/6LyPkhr8SgBy3RJvYR5vI3GXG1eW3RoLc QU5HEYD3hH0fH8B2tiAMUAVPV3atpP3GJ22sqsgzNFyM710S80WiLW0RXEQpDl9/ EhmJDiZwyJCpCTBCeshweRKtKI0R7S5QFz0oBoxZPv0PyGydx+NiymVeO0IGqwAl ZrE1505ec+RfMVpzNoRK4/eBiZqCN08VMoA+GW//cXjhjIagYORMmILllf0xxQLs db7fp64Ph0ky/a0op6I+niIk12mu8SRgrYPdswMNcQP20o9AWOWu5RsLXlQo74VM Qrw1EkiMeWU= =Exvm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] In need of opinions and ideas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 S ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) makes some valid points. I didn't feel like quoting the whole thing, but... They are all moot if there's a big banner inserted onto every page which points to an explanation of freenet (as well as a disclaimer somewhere), and some per-ip bandwidth limitations, after which they get redirected to instructions on how to install their very own Freenet client. You know, hook them slow, hook them deep. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQP8z6XgHNmZLgCUhAQJYIg//dsQ0r7cMpvA7YbLw4hn6Le3+/YOfkBGL 1nvMnTwVbPyegzZghetV4Pthv9SGTDEgCWPHQY4PCBoMFLmmGDupLzszg4jkfoR9 OKH1utN94qgCd0wP/w8SaSFkVIofpMuDrOEQQstHFeokXIkUT074/ycwZ18mh6Vq vwiZYeKZ/gWHM8LxQxzEW47mF+c6PYx4YJ3OHsxq3K0PNmjsQR+r1B5szDuSasNO e6yMGl5KWfevFd5W8SyPCmb5MOS76/Laat60gMCtyAvnef1Ep+m+CDPETuaGSnJr 4brkIYfdchddIeq6EzXJd//umBq7vQK0LwC7EjCTphRSCB2wA0TVGyIQTIgrCFnf bGrTHe6Krp5ihtd/8LNtBhdFl2BgnIxsFWeDem/WAZyKvpjd7gTOTekZBvBt9hPB QZmmJczo+a7G9MB2ZELpX4sqFMedyQxWoaPyfKoS53hmEKmn9cmd1yIiHgVFriFS yj0Go+3cZKDcDZRI9FFEZN5vOUK0/7oO9jBZV6YGasb2AacFXpvlWTgdZ9qXFerO WOyIIzgWX28HnBcq/Yu1brURGzif/au3KOKEBjxtXxehLsN43BkXAWHBmjNFMOEp eYJ6oezpBuKoIBkBNgojVNga1A5OMmTayIyPJw4u/5+2b7+K9U3ldeIyvpBWTnCZ AqdcPcSVmM8= =rA5v -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Load
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Zenon Panoussis wrote: | | Toad wrote: | | The thing is, the lack of search capabilities reduces | the useability of freenet | | | Of course. There are ways to implement search, however. Sooner or later | somebody will implement a good spider based anonymous search. Sooner. NIM/FROST allows you to send information to someone. So the author of a new freesite uses one of those methods to notify the spider about their new freesite. Then the spider generates index files, and provides three interfaces for searching: - - Download the index files and a search client and run searches locally. With a fast freenet and small enough download chunks, this could be very effective -- at least until the index files get too big. - - Search via a real web interface -- a gateway somewhere. This compromises anonymity of the user, but is faster. - - Search by entering a query in NIM/FROST, and wait a bit for a response. This would require some sort of client software and a fast freenet to be sane. I read somewhere (probably on a freesite) about some sort of IRC which claimed to be completely anonymous. If there truly is something as fast as IRC and as anonymous as Freenet, it'd be very helpful for that third solution. Unfortunately, I can't work on this at all right now. My freenet node looks fine, only I get a connection close from FProxy the instant I try connecting -- that is, 0 bytes sent/recieved from netcat, The document contains no data from Firefox. | of the user. If a non-anonymous search solves one part without | affecting the other, what's the harm of it? None, as long as it's _absolutely_clear_ which parts are solved. If you make the publisher anonymous but the readers known, you don't want someone saying ooh, freenet and then using it to visit Porn of Love from an office computer. Or worse. Make huge, bold, red warnings. | This would | probably have two components: 1. A spider, which would spider out from | known freesites, scan NIMs, and Frost traffic, and insert index files. | 2. A client, probably integrated into fproxy, which would fetch the | index files that are appropriate to the search given. | | You mean creating index files before a search has been made? | Wouldn't that be highly inaccurate and/or produce massive | volumes of indices? It's what Google does. The spider, known as Googlebot, attempts to download the entire Internet and index it. When you run a Google search, it searches on that (albeit massive) index file. But the Google indices are probably huge. For a sample, download the DMOZ rdf dump -- http://rdf.dmoz.org/. [...] | to reach the users of freenet and hushmail; I want it to | reach the huge and clueless masses who watch CNN and use | hotmail. And I also want to protect my anonymity damn well. What about implementing a freenet client as a Java applet, thus allowing freenet gateways? You'd need that (no _percieved_ download/install of software) in order to reach these huge and clueless masses. You could just make a public FProxy, but then governments could ask you to give them the IPs of everyone who viewed a particular Freesite. Not good. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQPy8uXgHNmZLgCUhAQLSBQ//evZOf0oDhszKotK0OTZI4qHPKuyCH9yJ njqC689ismMFbE8s/sK83XnHRwkn+4654jpwdzWvtKNjuHKtqhK/QnonbuGOJKvU I5fVyNVTMDSrtS22bzXRuZF6BIHGEA+jAihPktBA1uPTyfq5/pJhv1V8fkO41Uyw 7HvV7axRf56Zt9jgUjL410KH5/yeAIyumNJjv1dq/U7nSUNb//x5pAtFa/dim0xN clqGriaX1SiHMJsykDBWi99eBRBCyIgLktcsg9zMqZy3qP44EH/NeeSBFxsH/bte 0m2EXU9R3eYAUnGdX+dWN8ZAXBrxHtwtBK5MUniK4wlX0YSRy4cLdiMKkyvztCOs oGztyRCKDiFdOlr73vIOjcyIz7+JNhDqKYpfZzn2R/u93P2UxXLLaVL9Ael/dNxJ LA/DRbMce//skf+RgSQotfSg652zJHQIvsgpSZ/r8PPS9ReEpFbVEo5MzbclajCf R8SRf2kV+Qfq6oNzdK62D6JBO1B/35n4iUOSNt/asE6VQPxxjWlMRfc+JOhT/Lvz F3KvQ5ZqC3JMgMlwmyZ/6pB05dgrVriep0qhHWz+6+8t5Z5LnJFAhnEckgTE18sG 38tmIZxN57PLiUDS9zIaU8rzILZYulELwO+Z96RUV6XLcGJ5TrFnS3L0b9e0kBOs npRjlNmM/SA= =GUjB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Anyone got Blackdown on
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Toad wrote: | I need the output of: | java -version 21 | head -n 1 | sed s/java version \\(.*\)\/\1/ | on Blackdown, in order to fix the start-freenet.sh script to use NPTL where the | JVM is 1.4.2 (I have Sun 1.5.0beta). 1.4.1 I'm on Blackdown, and fproxy hasn't worked on my node in awhile. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQP3sc3gHNmZLgCUhAQJzxQ//XarOsKMq1IdNmwF7clhoJonaAHuRpmAN kPr/ojVLSDftDGeHf0m5C/U5ZY1AIU6FnJDbgN0E8b05/ongI5qVZ2kix8OiXpyS KnpNI9WFgMbTABOfSs1j+csEPriSG5xvBm5Mxx0+FemQP4zkIZ5/RR06NNF6AdMx UKUqe0Fgc3h4ZFr4wlgaNeU5PyPzqXyO0EubgVyeNTBmH7vEgfobl+Mk6S4tZdhF e72iTitacu5BdgDnTJKC+HBFUjOnY9yw1X6GX0yFsqAGfZo/dIkXtvPlsuqCyqOh jEN7dizqeeTTTIAO/hqc4OPUrM799C3AGOXQWUWWje0e9REzVATYV71NpD0qJ7uC 1BxQN4A5xtB+nItxLukR8TIRXurRASd2HJtRHxmlG7DAGlt8QkZBKrZPkrSo7nx6 pazXjv0A69d1d+35+ZhFuAR4s8qvegK//oYEmyoSuzMwaqz3WtUYb6gYsv+aroYY Rzii8BLfY4DBQGIj+cd9FQgLyeIzYAoK9fut8s7t4PKJxvMa3mPm7GqnT1Y0LP5G TNExC/9WWH7UO33R9GqUqMQiUEJLEisFZNwZIvKfjjd0kKlrFBR5fEsh3D1jBlFO nT0ShM4GJMxej/Z82pjaYBvmD81ppW9WEcShM6NcaHuL8LKvzuWXpVUAIKOIAqse p0rQfwdqmdc= =cZcx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Load
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Toad wrote: | On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 01:33:30AM -0500, David Masover wrote: | |Unfortunately, I can't work on this at all right now. My freenet node |looks fine, only I get a connection close from FProxy the instant I try |connecting -- that is, 0 bytes sent/recieved from netcat, The document |contains no data from Firefox. | | | Ouch. Anything in the logs? Tried restarting? What build? Only about 20 times, how do I check the build without a working FProxy? Trying to update to latest stable: Usually in the logs, it at least tells me something like starting Freenet, Build X Now, I get a java.io.IOException as the first log message. Takes more than 3 mins for port to start listening. When it does, wget reports connection reset by peer. Deleting everything in /var/freenet except seednodes.ref, restarting... It's been 5 minutes. Log (/var/freenet/freenet.log) is still empty. Still not responding. Some time later, I check back, and -- yet again -- Connection reset by peer. For debugging purposes (I'm smart enough to remove this once I get freenet working), I'm going to leave this atrocity running overnight, with logs and conf files online: http://slaphack.com/freenet.log http://slaphack.com/freenet.conf | || of the user. If a non-anonymous search solves one part without || affecting the other, what's the harm of it? | |None, as long as it's _absolutely_clear_ which parts are solved. If you |make the publisher anonymous but the readers known, you don't want |someone saying ooh, freenet and then using it to visit Porn of Love |from an office computer. Or worse. Make huge, bold, red warnings. | | | Hehe. That's their own silly fault ;). But yes, warnings probably a good | idea. Yes, and yes. n00bishness should be no barrier to revolution. | Google keeps the entire index in RAM. *jaw drops* You learn something new every day. |[...] || to reach the users of freenet and hushmail; I want it to || reach the huge and clueless masses who watch CNN and use || hotmail. And I also want to protect my anonymity damn well. | |What about implementing a freenet client as a Java applet, thus allowing |freenet gateways? You'd need that (no _percieved_ download/install of |software) in order to reach these huge and clueless masses. | | | Not possible. Java applets are not able to connect to servers other than Are not allowed to. They seem to be able to, if the user clicks yes on a do you trust these people? dialog box. | running a public proxy. However tens of millions of lusers actually know | how to install software. Sometimes the problem is knowing how. Sometimes it's being allowed to. Not everyone owns their own computer. Of course, if you don't own your own computer, how can you trust it? One-way trust. Suppose my bro trusts me, but I don't trust him, I have root, and he wants Freenet. Or suppose someone doesn't care about their own anonymity, but wants Freenet on a public internet terminal. The possibilities are endless... Most end-user types I know don't ever upgrade their software as long as it seems to work, and few upgrade even when it stops working -- they reinstall. Web interface solves all of that, as long as browser cache / web proxies behave themselves. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQP31nHgHNmZLgCUhAQKsOQ//XDM6D434bGafKQmojJGqqq6QiQ5TZ49o EYfNz2HV3n/CSzD4llyy86HmflIwYqjs5M7EHe1iAGpkL13XQY8jj9NmtAU2gnk9 fEfMVoF0+Nx4odaXeopivXXqdYm7iSajrK4Au88P61/zfa/cu8xNdMnGQKtN33BZ +HrgWmm6uhfxTHOEj+GmH0Lav4C2I52LrQSoChabnzVJbUf9ejETV23VKJ2nrOZU wirBp2zeHwdiMDkmTBV4RAvn79Ae57m4IShhFLRjqlxxcgE2f2Fr6nJHRTDplhPX NYx5n4+VYbiRtqh9IsTrxEJDEu6yM2SeUdumb1N4fRCA0qPuAyMcd3olzinYP7df NiUKP+AtP3aruDs5yjTjIndn93QqmI+ek29+E/kUNySlYGbembqUbWlq0I+hwztk d2sYlOGPixU1/IBk4T926Lfj8X44XYBYm4nKYqUrFoSSM8ZpZhtxY8JO9u7bqiWw Qzn38ABcdQZoO6djBkEqBWgDRhBcd+rg9D3rOO5+RMmnrrLZoqcT++2AYUmdVzLn V6YQf1ZYmaqRZ8taglXf6+VW14UtlL3Fxp55BUofNG/1bVnu4WrxWwZJOWbPPotw Ehj52l+QKvV/tlRrvniGzEujS7BsaNzKsXUObmj8JmZq1XgKKKGh4x9oDQ/Y7SGI DVFVxgo3GJI= =JWYP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Stunnel Freenet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mika Hirvonen wrote: [...] | case, you'll be better off running an another node locally. Speaking of which: I am leaving Freenet running on my router, in the hopes that FProxy will eventually start responding, and that when it does, it will eventually run faster. Would it be worthwhile to also run a transient node on my local machine, instead of using FProxy on the router? (There's only one switch between them, and if I can't trust my own network hardware, what can I trust?) How certain can I be that it will find the router as a (very close) peer node? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQPebnngHNmZLgCUhAQLobA//RFvMQm/bOIuqQA1Hi21krMMyhB8vAsSE s27A27oKzC7BZINYJoM28+Do0bR/RGPRI3yNgznoUKXk/PDZqvHX8vKPQFGFRjdz VndyM4mOD3lIjgsH19zIO1oPAwoYtL4Nv03X/xwwbhREW+qN/y9v6S512EldCJzf sOcKogT7EKVlvCp9vAITw74ikNldYPkpg/z3silsVmvcZAGglRvL/qQ7AoJcYe/7 G7oHlqcxOxc41SDVQTSmy/z/eyEymMcOmhOzsQyAlvEqRWqDEAyFDv0AjnOt11LS tbSa2IoFYg35sFOtMTPhs0j7AFZC6FTbBVhyX4PFrKUKboF9OtcplOKVTRhRJZdP 8bFcOKKyyLqNjCTykoT5WV+3N53e8JARdKECJatqf65ol8eGVMlNQOKprwDbuwVU lrSsqVCaR8QRTRfWPOYsEM2biqK8ysqSuBbAYyvYFicH/Ijf8eYRjPIA4YhS8LMt 5LD9YjoqVhdRtDh3Q4cxTdbV3iz6n/BlypbB/hOItkoeahr1b3IZXzFxXZ6FXzYk 4V5TPZ+X5fmnMhPeNtSuhp7olrp7o033xrWBJEiFScxlnPrRCexHRyAEtOa21lF8 KE/lrSc0TQIIPOkvgA2Yh1/6oFb8FXlH26pe2+bGsZpBTCUUzU0f8XLAYOM+m1NU jcm7A7Q+eUM= =d+jW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Stunnel Freenet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Weiliang Zhang wrote: | David Masover wrote: | Mika Hirvonen wrote: | [...] | | case, you'll be better off running an another node locally. | | Speaking of which: | | Would it be worthwhile to also run a transient node on my local machine, | instead of using FProxy on the router? (There's only one switch between | them, and if I can't trust my own network hardware, what can I trust?) | How certain can I be that it will find the router as a (very close) peer | node? | | I think you can run another node on you machine(not the router), give it | only one ref which is your node on the router in its seednodes.ref file. | That way you can do all the FCP work on ur local machine (hopefully it's | safe). How do I do this? I'm not finding seednodes.ref particularly easy to read. Can someone give me a template? Or even do all the work for me - -- router is 10.0.0.1 :P -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQPg3mngHNmZLgCUhAQJ/DQ/9GiurQP/X+ELfrsqjrtLgI1eBYKwL/oFi xEeXeFGNAAfAuoRViWTaT237SIVxD7p2/y7eUuldmocE4khpThROCdPS/+zGB11/ lfUHNjDJk7+J8wvtD++ZNxRMSUJu0gKoiyePFykE18XjAJUzpClWo0nRWIhtSDZx K+uKlDVH2FOxcqws0kzX56tOKEvxBhMvwYWaW1uNzWMfeBfEA+/yUySo/nqzBxMd Cq7iZLVanNMKyDBszcRgI/QHo6V6/2DsHkdhVq3WZyPKYsPJzBBo3DrZBDlK1lVw l36qockWiIVf2X0cAtqy59QL12ufTIHLFUM0wB89Mdm2H46qVyPbCzruMf7pVf2N 2ZI/RkQviZxXo+G3F1EXoz52KvIj2ouEvshSYzegeuNL+W5J2yBaAHm6M4KmKsQ+ Q2cMjbvGix0mZyJPbKBAzLWI3zelwupVc9uh9NDBaePpDsvCVlRzfoLzMHkCAhpS Sx9XZJ8n0UhWVCh3QNVKShczEiyhUAmhcB5Le4dplmFwBwaAyRBCmZArbaJeEFrl TJqHVcjzcvYpwx8aOM5L6oOkF6JFENcjeGLGUaqDyJx6sZY69wF7aM+sGiRk/a9G 0pRADb23pilt74fcsSei7IjxOeyzLk9jbnJ5r9pKn0BBgTzktymXknDX/pwLVdlc chd6njacrH8= =QibN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] How much download?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Toad wrote: | Changing bandwidth limits on the fly may be quite difficult, but we'll get | around to it eventually.. :) Really? Would it be feasable to do an Apache-style graceful restart? ~ (Since files that are really too big should have a splitfile anyway, it wouldn't take too long for the restart to finish.) Also, bandwidth limitation can be done elsewhere (the kernel, a piece of hardware), so maybe we already can change it on the fly on certain architectures... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQPNKSXgHNmZLgCUhAQI/EA//SruFEYu+UbykVAkF5MIS3TT8vKinjJVG CCskkdeMbSNPg9I16OHSxagJpJVYwyt5eMmw3OuWByiUrfYdRGsbfG8OllRkR8BM 3ZDXV47vb/mioGCYRpzo14f9APwKM7/X04+aWAzW0FF5z198gS1AhZT7VpBLBSa6 dJJaPlciWcKP19hK1nbBTQ6iErO9rhTI79F2g/2y5H7iCbofIoZxa0a/oJBwle6h 4b5LDsV9/Uaphq6g2gNYNqY9FQNyFglYtqAmOk/okhMBaD+00hoiXWXTdy4uQs+E w484xtbPzr2y/E0nkrOloF4ghlrt2KSdqld4rmZTDpyOxJ1wYWbri/KTfZ0Cg7OZ UB8WxJRPouTGQ0STVkg8dXJbgaLuLOnYAg+9qlY4D0VUgYwA0lADaK/+mqZcgt0P 6obuI2DodnRpS25v2EcgM/1Btp0Wi0GIEa5rHSe3Ezz7yU6GJNYkyxl9Zj/mFQNT p/RQUVrCJWt8l/pRnfOeHw036H6agzFmAt8/26luTBcAU6s+vGucj5cFdoq4nezt AW1CaopvswUHP2oGT6W8H+WJN9KA5i9XUlln/V/t76ABt22E7bgwc5wEq68TBCPw cRHoS+cGHxUVrJoxBEGPHHxOA3yvHPRcJjnAg9RLqknzuNXmQOP0r9MCGAEktz6s nFGnNXEwMyw= =etVS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Toad wrote: | Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report... Unless it's causing my slowness, blackdown works fine for me. I'd rather be using Kaffe, but I've had issues making that work on Gentoo. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQPNK9HgHNmZLgCUhAQIkdA//b7+KIj/NRy/Yxw+qfaXm5QPloml40RP3 hvcioB86g5cjShysbsXGDIJtA2wYVGiKUiw0CtCBOt3mOM/53vmxbfn6Ti4yktpu 9ChF3YEUoKPpkershJvbSDrdm3rC5GgBUSs7zuGzjbmCCJz25PYE7SadNL9k6klX CyNTkeJawI5RwcFWPeQH0iDevwVDwFl02NAzbf4pUkA8dXMXSmPRTW1lrPFcdjmL 0e6ZF+UJN/ooMjh+XjnaouKhsdmKXqzONf9tWDEU99hhdFMq+NfJdjvLus7pQ7N9 nmSWBs+QeM2UoW3zuL7yg3FyN/6K1ijyD5EeGQW8CoPAdPZntLjRW+rZwI87nZvy HqobquMKpCGnj8tP+vfRg+1pSjAC6xqs5uO0vHHiw+cX/lxK6c/Gjbyn+u6XcHiG CHqn/C0RKUPS2t14nKOu3MVGZv08gs9M5bp4pTGwaj3wSlgcj9BM0jyNf/OtvU9m S/8uDvXNlNJkzW4ClBVrWkSQ7xlbo64NsGb6CIbH6SWVOmdSr08/QiGuyLvIKMMT 3+7g275CZd3c0X55e+Uc0eMP1CWztP3I/CuCLCHUYHPx8pyVQIIzMrlHJ8QH5knL xmU0taGWUwSg2ob7YGSrJt84xEpzvznFOjrSVN/yeZs3bZszAJGj2pAKT/eCyTw/ +dprIWRzZeE= =AAvy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jay Oliveri wrote: [...] | days. Did you leave it running while properly opening up the port it uses | for incoming connections in your firewall (if needed)? Yes. It's on the firewall machine, which really only does NAT anyway. | I have an 2.5G Athlon XP w/ 1G of RAM and I don't notice that it's running. | It tends to play nice on my system regardless of my success in getting any | data out of it. I'm talking about bandwidth, and it runs on said firewall machine -- a 200 mhz emachine. | not sure my archives even go back that far, but the basis for choosing Java | should be obvious; platform independence and a rich API that comes standard | with the language. As a purely academic argument, Parrot and .NET both do those things now, and an API doesn't seem like it'd help that much with Freenet. It's not the interface that's broken. | You don't have much experience with Java then. Freenet is atypical of a I'm glad I don't have much experience with Java. I'll say no more. | All this aside, when routing doesn't work in Freenet it can't be blamed on I like to blame Java, but you're right. | helping matters much. It's hoped this will change when one of the Free | Software implementations of Java (gcj, Kaffe) becomes more stable wrt | Freenet. Good luck (and I don't mean that sarcastically). I've never gotten Kaffe to run a Hello World program. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQPH+bHgHNmZLgCUhAQI6NQ/8DLNghbAFGeltbxDutvB3D3N6f7hSPtkR sDTMyXUnTjgNRtiLMVlifcJbYLKhX7r90HXGCJR1s0iDD36WzDrCtgEnKTydhD4T j+N8IdvcP046ncASiNzjtHMIg4ZD923gsV747U6eHmpfFHzXkgC73do0iHHxpQMS L7gjzOtJb6P/p1A1DF1PBGPRP8FOJDGV240oWS3q+V7pQzbe4ozHiIumt5pEMm2x wCoqy8+CkxSaAWoQcHPV6SZ3nihXDNv0kh/jCeUl/FH7RdTgFbGd+Psp6dK1bqrZ LTkYxrp3gw47HzgzQq5Qy1pHv/MMd6I/m0z0uHdSk2vk75FnQ/dsWCNY9tIgQ3yD 2FmaKw0Vdi5xbnoZgfZS8O4i7rqvxnOV8Rfs4+wM11yczXI9lZbi+rTCoCpG3DtA 48lc9pHTIBCjrVCXBksi4lSFLHxnQ4Jt1dcUJ9QQVWokJdfD1s2yY7LraH6DLnaD zppSuMti4FNPuEpKS4C4V6l1E1/fhF5UuoyFOT6wHXROqQ5Ar9jQPqxo4Ty6Q2y6 BzS7JNTbdi7e2Gth8agl4LgX1Fz1USRToevR/IZX6UAxJ485bTX9rqHBPKLSkY8M d6vNLc8dLvl+s1GEL9FU9PSUU+f4HxV474U+x3F0Ib2dzxY4f3E1qVpyONwEKBVk ugBkhpWRgfo= =Kt4w -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Toad wrote: | On stable? How many live connections? Do you get RNFs? DNFs? I think stable was actually better last I checked than unstable. Don't know RNF or DNF from Dionsaur. 5-10 connections, 2 or 3 loaded before the browser timed out (guess). | How much RAM does it have? We have had reports of reasonable performance 256 megs, but it's also running a lot of stuff -- apache,squid,qmail,djbdns,dhcpd,samba,sshd,bincimap,stunnel Admittedly, there's not a lot of load on it, and a lot of that could be swapped. But I'm running Linux 2.6, and Top shows 99% CPU in userland, by Freenet -- not in IO-Wait, where it would be if RAM was an issue. | on that class of hardware. OTOH, it's not a big priority at the moment. What's the bigger priority right now? Because everything always seemed to just work for me with Freenet -- it would just do it excruciatingly slow. | I don't think Freenet's bandwidth limiting is unobtrusive enough for | gaming. Having said that, a gamer will tell you that ANYTHING else | running on the connection will increase his ping. Even if it doesn't! :) I'm a gamer, and I run web and email on this. My bro notices when I run freenet. | those will be rectified when GCJ works. If we had used C++, we'd have | spent a year arguing over whether to include a garbage collector. If | we had used Ocaml, we'd have had even fewer coders than we have now. If you'd used Perl? (Ok, that's not fair, and it's moot anyway.) | I've seen all of the above. Get hold of a copy of Eclipse compiled under | GCJ sometime... Will do! Sometime... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQPIBk3gHNmZLgCUhAQJ6iw//eN1HBBGJnpTUCpZIlyQn4BgP2p6xmh7F Y47zlqfIj0wbL4MGL2OnHpmdXfWHHehESjwnd1lYMSA/IfY9TkOfQGU4DC8DSJYC YhYjaw8PmVZVSo1LwdzUFwYt9fXtde2FcNCflh+qkUCT+gHQxkSKE7tLVzepZBo8 Eq3Hnh+OMV4lYkTmsUvOYkiyBUvXQTK21yO2PN4YGv/3wh1cVsrmE+dLgEChh/Hl u7xMlbWpjKYCMmoUWjkZNxh+5eJ2JVhnQrcI6VRMJFkGFvfnw5dcKTmAuezoTFlv t6vpCZxM8v9bNCb1dWHha9MN/a231kI0QNvFL2ORTrIwBowbhxyyQeSfntvUUsVM 3pk03O7mWDLzGSbiB3sv9PEW4NiI8fL3VBwUtq8IUwRuCtSJTJGO8Jku2lL9x+TO EAwNono8IsE2ztM+1ZpCckkLzlKpnKJTRk1LrH3XuMyXMJlnw44BDjrO5UPIhKgF HcCOfedMVT9fBsDlk325BTk1/8I6QCdvNng3EtYkZ34zXfPwcN9YBvs6jtqiG18g ruoyIP4IAouOSuyBkux5T00OOX0UayukOv1eQWs7OG3V62Syw1mwWqhzW+YJCerQ LpcEueMPRT4LVdy+73LS165yDbQ7qP3O6ycOqoIWGhLCaFcYXngB1nD1ExaOREGV U5HD4qPX9mk= =3AxR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet Project health
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What's the health of Freenet as a whole right now? I'm getting lots of pages taking forever to load (or never loading), and I think it's still using 100% CPU on my 200 mhz router on 768k (up and down) DSL, even though the browser is on another machine... I was planning to make a permanent node, but I don't run it much anymore, because my brother games (so he needs high bandwidth and low latency), and Freenet is still the most costly service I run on that thing (in terms of CPU, bandwidth, etc.) I know it's been mentioned before, but I'll state for the record that I think Java was a bad choice. Rather than start a new flame war, I'd like to go read up on why it was chosen (any archives I should look at?). For the record, I have never, ever seen a java program load quickly, run even tolerably fast for anything beyond the most basic things, and I've never seen an open source implementation of Java work firsthand. I don't like the syntax, but that's a personal issue -- I'd love to be proven wrong on this. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQO4b9ngHNmZLgCUhAQLCTA//frjR/duxAbReDA13WmWZQLA9LQdzcJ2v 2GJ+kv80fJC+P1U6h6/ghv+oTrNUDCnZweLNYRm5G6WNDiNPdnyFiNRe3+arfQsh TR3BCc1CwIn/TuO/7s0V4pjIpGnQgySx3VAy9i8ujYtCV5t6Kkdaps6tC4x32tzM ZFo3gXWjuQ0zGF1psBRlwH84+ia5lDjSqBjOK7P47FKAXk1/vOocSYAztrCuIgw0 qYK5oYStm/3miLzid08B4Mni0GL5m4+HlmitBgt2nVgqNhaKZN/HtUWtCVU8wNhR 55XhmkR3+nHhO994R7U2/DRyYo7w7Yv6obaZsqEZE+ddUYErjfwb2XLr+T1OgM0F hQaXPzGY1Onc9Yb9a3iZPkdVVTCPbcKHK0nrjZkei6VJ90oANurMNUgo4ZyHtuZT BFMq44b6AVqa6quandxEcQzhqy6uqhvXVin6l0PCzxtcUZHXQacjrEvgqNngXZl0 gvcOiPoKN/rH7vAXdHG9C4F+ZuSXAenWUWsgspyxvoPXItTMIMxbKQBG7wnYJu9w ahEHIGGdhks6eRgnq/hrroL/yzV3uEa5qhrmSqdRqW68Nr90kgHkJitUCqSKG/LZ fLTR75QC+L+n148Z3V5uHaTQSwjazDrnJ65Ln7apzANpdR9dmO+7cpm4EBFCmZiH NbTMfmg3wHQ= =pgvD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael R. Stork wrote: | U, no offense, but are you just being intentionally argumentative ? No, just trying to clear up a possible misconception. Some people have this idea that there's some huge difference between a personal computer and a server. There's also an idea that you need a firewall, or that a firewall automatically makes you secure. In general, people who don't understand security will look at some new security product and assume it makes them more secure -- and they will, of course, believe that they are vulnerable. There's another email I sent last night which _was_ intentionally argumentative. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM7zN3gHNmZLgCUhAQJ6yBAAnClfUvQ89ENWhFgWzcb6JbN4hJPgbL/L 2b+VoUGra5QGjkpxnB/rnf5GGihMXmRLpYkH/NkQvDxcI8VmBwcIhU3DL6dz/T3F MJ6kETVXFqziKXyIQpiWTVWs4Lf41u/BBJVBOr/MVor99usS6hkLR0YesE1MAhwu H5qxD6uDkmWJHsAFrlly70ZNM6Xlq/u6Kah0JIO1UITBv+nydVBqBDtuA9RbQlgt qQM+PFhUGumtiMbwivdaZCUJyTplKbjN1Kd080e0K4b1nN+nZQ3yRrQ2ah+d82XO tghD5c3+8d7Nx3md+ymZwbGQ3Pmi+yt145izznVeuepzMsYCr0lWXeoiIzZrhovr p8llBwZUbal6v7uuYCXgB0sUU9zZWINYkGo/yUV64qFv7E49LVPlcZrWw7hQhq3A OLTjs90CCxubS7Fq4OiipzqwlKjF71xzpPxf04Y3p0mZoMLjefNaJiII+K4RRZK8 1R95ijIPAccs8Vc6MGnxlyMlKljv4f1s7m9V0Mki/Omzw8Tc5DNXlko6LyydrpXB K9XVHLRXJOy6eG7DfIAzrR+BR6k+Wi4yPGrW/60TBOvbNxlz/GHHghrMSeKsbM9m ON1jBPZm24bdSTWbZ8oOjoanlt/zya7OTC4VoBap2D41y2ZE6F2liiaiTN4wqaOl Jt6axcZT+WA= =gsH9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
so. If they're curious, then they'll ask about it. But if someone is asking for an answer to a very specific question, then turning it into If someone asks Does anyone know how to make crispy bagels in the microwave and I suggest using a toaster instead for that particular task, then I'm not directly answering their question, but I may be helping them more than someone who says Sure, you just use a blowtorch on them afterwards or something. That's a bit of an extreme analogy -- I admit Windows isn't quite as bad as toasting bagels in the microwave. Not quite. an excuse to tell them how ignorant they are for not doing it your way I was suggesting my way. I wasn't implying that anyone was stupid. niche that's not going to be supported by the mainstream. And, if it I suspect that this niche would include much of freenet. If I don't even trust my ISP, how am I supposed to trust Microsoft? ever does take off, and surplant Windows as the standard, then the hackers will just start writing their malicious code to infect it, and It's already got something like 25-30% of the web server market. Don't you think they've been trying? Maybe it's the open-source nature, or the engineering of these systems that makes them more secure? They are already more stable. There are Linux machines that have been running for years. Is that because it's a niche market? I doubt Windows 98 would be any more stable if only 1% of the market used it. it'll be some other niche group ranting about how secure their systems are. Either ignore rants or respond to them more intelligently than the ranter. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
If it's a very old computer it may not be able to run Freenet adequately. It should. I know it isn't. Freenet uses 100% CPU wherever I run it. Heh. Well, not everyone who runs Freenet is as paranoid as some of our users are. :) They are patient enough with its slowness to be that paranoid :) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael R. Stork wrote: | making beef stew. And you telling them that electric is no good, that | before they do anything else they need to rip out their stove and | install a gas one. Oh and beef isn't good for them anyway so here's this | really tasty tofu recipe. Tofu, maybe. Replace grill? I'd at least mention to them that gas is better, and that since they can't have gas, they might as well adjust the cooking times to make the electric work better. I didn't intend it to be nasty or bossy, sorry it got read that way. | based system. Now if that person hasn't decided that this whole Freenet | thing is way too complicated and that she wants no part of it, I'd be | surprised. If the person has been watching this thread, she either agrees with me or thinks the same of me as you do. Don't be too worried :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM9Qz3gHNmZLgCUhAQLJkBAAg9VoYxy1LYwPA85A4DprvG7TQPs4BiqB noUoUQXTq1TAMY+ifrpRPw9fp0rL+X5od9KPFPHKwP/84aMLRdwwof7ilIM8Qn7w THYYLohxlW8DOMZ6Gpbpw/Kcg1CVZW+sj2XBmRm7sW6jpEIjjOlpOVuoCoZ3ouH9 8Do90DKJvAlAVuRYOxx44rsOEfE+PiEh8qKvgT3Qbaq25b0uAprcCIlOF9DO9VXX J69afTw1rk6Q+y0k8QZrUfl8OQl+Rlt4nar6mFcybUR0XywaURKQzNXPfTjReGDu BPTS9RChASazy0rpw1fn3kG+hoQWWJHFVLt03ba/stmHmsOII+fPpq8Om/Rhj5DU AEttThVv1bBfLSV4j05m8pJxXZSFnwV4qm1erhbjD4TZUfCFRRrH1+7iuXYrgg3J VE/Oe39y/StvO48IV1uErrwpqYIBeeBHO4xRPzCJBgq80cE4rYLIgJZ3Sf+hrnMA V0FbRADLusXb0J+2iAEur3M15SmMCcspZdYChP5N4CEWrcbPtGqbuW0r0+Hmlb/Z 34VHog3vkgt9hnrFdsM3Y9DY46Mb1W7cQ/HEYwLPlXR2LevaZc1qWzDJ7F5f23ch l5R8ZvI0AzE72rgk5DQaDFCnN7prdfo20DL8tu2D3dZjhL+4MJ6kPU2UJGBHyrp5 YbcY8JqF+NY= =XeXw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael R. Stork wrote: | David Masover wrote: | | an excuse to tell them how ignorant they are for not doing it your way | | I was suggesting my way. I wasn't implying that anyone was stupid. | | Perhaps it wasn't you that made the first comment, but the first person | who started talking about Linux in this thread did so by implying that | doing anything other then installing Linux was stupid and a waste of | time. If that wasn't you, then you just jumped on the Linux rant after | that. Go back and re-read that, then. It was me, and this will be about the fourth time I've said that I never implied any such thing, and intended my comment to be taken as a suggestion. Think. If I really meant that doing anything other than installing Linux was stupid and a waste of time, then why did I then go on to suggest other things to do to help better secure Windows? | niche that's not going to be supported by the mainstream. And, if it | | | | I suspect that this niche would include much of freenet. If I don't even | trust my ISP, how am I supposed to trust Microsoft? | | I NEVER said I trusted Microsoft ! I don't even really like Microsoft, You are required to trust Microsoft in order to run Windows. If you don't believe me, go read the EULA -- particularly the ones on the most recent service packs. | and I agree that Windows isn't a great OS. What I disagree with is your | assertion that it's possible to do all the same things with Linux as you | can with Windows. Yes, there is more software being produced now that | will run under Linux, but there's no where near the same variety. No, there's not. But there is enough for most people, I think. A lot of Windows software works under Wine (on Linux) -- much of it out-of-the-box. They are different. If I want to run the latest games with no wait at all, or some very old accounting software, I run Windows. If I want to code, and email, | | ever does take off, and surplant Windows as the standard, then the | hackers will just start writing their malicious code to infect it, and | | | | It's already got something like 25-30% of the web server market. Don't | [...] | And ? You're just helping make my point. 25-30% of a small portion of Don't see how. I'd expect most permanent Freenet nodes to be set up for the purpose of publishing a Freesite, and therefore, be servers in the same way that web servers are. For that matter, your point is that Linux is secure because it's a niche market. Well, it happens to be a niche of boxes that many people would _love_ to crack into, I'm sure. | think that using any oppurtunity to try to push it is just plain stupid. Well, sure. If someone walked up to me and said Nice day, isn't it? and I said It'd be nicer on Linux, then that would be retarted. If someone walks up to me and asks what software for Windows would best send their top-secret corporate memos between executives only, I'd suggest Linux. I'd also suggest Thunderbird and Enigmail for Windows, in case they don't like the Linux idea. | Windows. When they ask for help configuring a piece of software, so that | Freenet works ON THIER SYSTEM, telling them to go out and buy another | system to install Linux on, or that they should wipe their existing OS | and run Linux, just so that they can run a Freenet node is moronic. If I didn't suggest any such thing. In fact, the suggestion to install Linux (possibly dual-boot, possibly Knoppix) was one of several suggestions -- the others being to put a Linux firewall in the way and to run Firefox. | you want to expand Freenet, the way to do it is not by making it seem | like the only way to do so is on a Linux system. Read above. Sorry I made it _seem_ like I was saying something I obviously didn't. | isn't all that tough to do. What is hard to do is is to have a | reasonable discussion when the other person chops out the majority of | your post, and then responds to a small snippet as if that were it's Do you really feel like I lose the gist of your reply by doing this? If so, you're free (as is anyone) to go in the archives (or even your own trash folder) and find your reply. If you want, I will start quoting the entire reply each time. Watch bandwidth usage skyrocket. (In case of a misunderstanding, I don't actually think that's what you want, and I understand what you meant.) | entirety. (Yes, I snipped a bunch from this last post, cheifly the more | insulting crap.) And how do you define insulting crap? Why are you more qualified than me to make that decision? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM9Ut3gHNmZLgCUhAQIX9A//VGiEm4JpoXTg4CbalooESLdqIElS0TSI rzEAJSyhyXHVgFY7fyExjeGCGun7fUmzPSrp7xaVqiMZL4CnLJDsS+9BgSlvu7mx TpDe3FQbg6oyeFH8TkwkKoI2Ye2OhtrWBOe511x/GVjC200JvtTk1Gr5SL3mKbzl dx2wqEfTW1SlYblWJm+pzZ9XplhM5bxyFhbGYeRFNKRXnL68HMM/zbc2zlQNK3Hz
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Madeline Brubaker wrote: | Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security | Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software. Yes, I'm a Linux nut. My attitude towards Windows boxes is: almost all Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to them, including my full name. Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD). Second most secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian. Practical solution: find a very old computer to use as a Linux firewall/router. Only firewall connections to your Windows boxes -- and this isn't even needed if you do NAT. Set this up as your Freenet machine, and you don't have to worry about firewalls -- just allow connections to fproxy from internal network. Run Firefox as a browser for Freenet. I know most people aren't concerned enough about security to care that someone might get at their files. Most people who are, and most people who use Linux even, are not concerned enough about security to run Freenet. If you care enough to run Freenet, you should care enough to run more secure software elsewhere. If you run Internet Explorer, for instance, all that security goes out the window. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM2d+ngHNmZLgCUhAQJDVRAAncNVd3mrEZvCHS3J4AvBJmSGCboeYfhr rjQ+IX3hnAFwruze+sOPDwdHJCjC7ZM/sZh9X4zmEP+J5O1UCcV9Ub31dCvkU2Z3 8+zkgWxskvrqIpYLkcKE8J8a3F3Qp0A7+C6hUiYB3nI2sSgUIMgGo45pzgMiKORe 2pNVyiUrFWTvHpUMSm0/TiOim/1sL1fZH02L5D07Jl6BwDeSuo+qcuYx/zyaCjN9 INUdyJ8VOJKfCPYvUukFryC4PBCZqQUF4cN//G7M4f6BTGO5cyGuuuNQ9Spp0pqe Q/Mcjh90VUwBHtbkBPG9qN1Nd6qtYPgWVXt4eTIm38LTiWDsXi+engNVNdtlZFpw JsWN+8rtVjXtZRU9LaNlgxD/TgSlo4SMkZ6EoqjL2cEKyCOi8hhIt7m2hD5g41sW isQ7B7g3cSEsU5Lt3xp61hkVQww5xNjyr6p3B0Jf06JQWbbpMp2MOdxl7p0VZ/2c cO9X953JMJYOJBiAAyBQjRChlY4lNzMdlorv78KCtylTpakUBI+MD4DhAUKSZL/r uIYWiKald0f/aGhYIK/a+zb6VvoNIaSrLnmScOdPWsbcFzLlYF0qnGwFzEMV6N9D WLw/4ce6AC8h6x7FqV2J7w3Q+PpcXBU6JPEHT+Vf+5vh237oikD0t5pJILSfjwsE r2hMRdEiNRs= =D5bU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael R. Stork wrote: [...] | a hardware firewall and NAT. I wouldn't connect any PC direct to a | cable/DSL line. I would. A linux one. Or better, a BSD one. With daily updates. The firewall really wouldn't help all that much for me, although I do use NAT as an effective firewall for the internal network. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4n9HgHNmZLgCUhAQLaaQ//SmLZWpl6gfz6eZXoZ/kCb8toSx8Ray4L Lrl6mBuPsI1XMBdYAGmkkcKyFCXeL85a7grvLjT6VtyetDQ43CvUtpKpgEKgmqAo pRjvsLQsG4IOTQ1STKVxLQQDeezHLOL9arSf+18sSpncWJ6rUNvP1wCK/gK3/guf hE6oyDzI0TyGYC1S7qXcFYkuL4lsee71XftB/VT/dm79kguVCmtL21lNTVGHEGey h0p/d9wwc6kwPSWacU/uUnUmnZqad0ctUdXbtQX9siJiDYolC9hjzUrboXUA0B+N yuCDWBY/Q7AGkXJwmduBeKUKsg83zMVIzBB5yq89xgKDNXxgTPZAph/Zc21fHHLT N4PNrML9/7ALiSYy3fhrH7flYmv39b0eJmDn2it+4IGZFiKSyFAArfExNGkvhE0m bABwUBbXFHtdKtnKeDXbF9OoQpatljJC9f9QU11PdN9eIxYZLnLTFN3WIbvJJMra aT0XO98BY1A5tNter0CFeiqNtp5kyvnibq4iS4ryim4PlaIgjKfjUdaMUzQ2HonZ r3e2W1VokEb2r31pOWhfR7HRLJFihN6wWi/+Vhb7l9jxo1iOci/VJRDhAmlpgC+M nEvFo5s/8j++wnCNo1gkWoV6/UdQgc8blkOI034+/oTbNXFigVyeqKGx7zyXTQTv e/R3LRPCyYA= =5K4u -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |I'm not a Linux nut, but I agree with this in principal. Just using a |software firewall is totally insecure. Your best bet, if you don't want |to bother setting up a Linux box to act as your go between, [...] | | | What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) Point taken. But Linux kernel vs Norton userspace? About the third time I've said so on this list, but I just turn off the _services_ that I don't use, and people get denied anyway, with no special firewall. What's the big deal, if I'm not running Windows? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4oVXgHNmZLgCUhAQI0sg//eL+y77oA0xBzv9gxRylpCIlROdbJPqkO +XadYQTwAckWsOYaeoOvRFrUWYc+JvqCtyIwIfOSvGsG49EY+6+plfvzbL7SXR1K vupaSZHjLUW0xomS6tG3vB5MawKE5n2tB4lPryomLmNIrLsv0CmW2L/i4IL8wNJA 9ZN7eNNxOjtcx+AGBphou9beR36xPK56a4Lfbv62Z07uZdANJp6pimEmfll81Kbl DSdocfIwss7liQn55FtqW63pOqddvhTRaN1uQCUcD3wgUxGV+Zd3zfsj8x9ReZjq niskllnBOuq7H+0MCL/nMQN+bA7PezznAUDohYaqxXZovuqI9IXk5WY84vs/znVy AaZKCnP87spjOfJtm70VRWEif7e+y5WbDRs4Xs6E2BmKRth3uYfU3nTUbIp0q/c2 Ywz3+MArLRKuIMCMh4RUutC9qbdCDH8w61PvLwtZKRD9jiknKhGebYLaEGlnLyac SL3zDrEzRH1OoFhqzs5sz+7GmzEoP2D3xOM9pY95HOdX/rzSMo3ekrYw5DvCHedj B+Bpz4Ct2YS+5wqGuLdA4xhT2x2n5tgKOljWUS27N6xxmZJclpmK350hi4vgYgBl T6ldiFM0diCKexVLrWBVaGBYVcgFclgrBWiw3QsEtM1Ep2xTUWOLXg87Q9wadH2d sOPzkMVRlPQ= =i7nH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nicholas Sturm wrote: | Dear | |Madeline Brubaker: | | | Please excuse the nuts around here that seem to be as much of a | problem as Apple lovers once were. Ooh! Ooh! I smell a rant! Please excuse my response to being called a nut. | I don't particularly like some of Window's creations, but even though | Linus releases are getting slowly more usable for ordinary people, | they still do not have enough clones of the most desirable applictions Name some you'd miss. I'll bet money that there are enough clones. As sarcastic and annoyed as I sound, I'm usually a nice person, and I promise I'll find an option that works. And do remember what Linus is releasing. Linus releases the kernel. The windows equivalent can probably be found somewhere like C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\KERNEL.DLL. Go tell me how useful for ordenary people that file strikes you. Or do you mean the applications that run on top of Linux? I guess that's a pretty safe assumption. But Linus didn't touch those, and most run as easily on BSD, Solaris, OS X, and even Windows. | to make them useful to most of us that are not just playing with | computers. My turn for a one-sided rant. I hope I seem a bit more informed. I suppose my parents are not ordinary people. Maybe my brother isn't ordinary either. Or my boss. And yet, they all have the unusual ability to use a Linux computer without just playing with it. Oh, and let's not forget: Apache was developed on Linux, and later ported to Windows. Apache is the most popular web server on the planet. ~ But I guess ordinary people never run their own web sites. What about Sendmail? Admittedly, I don't use it -- I use qmail, one of 3 or 4 MTA options for Linux. Sendmail is, however, the most popular MTA, period. But ordinary people obviously don't run mail servers. The mere thought! Ooh, and let's not forget the things that have been done better. Do ordinary people chat, or do instant messaging? I have gaim, a very small, very fast program that does 4-5 different IM protocols in one program, sharing one buddy list. And, of course, ordinary people might want to write code for pay. Or play games. Or surf the Internet. Or send email. I can do all that on Linux. And by the way, how many ordinary people use Freenet? As an honest question, what is it that you ordinary people can't do on Linux? Or OS X? Or BSD? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4vGngHNmZLgCUhAQIahg/7BfcUvwt7PF2UwGZarxYbAz5EqTQMv5jP FNbPJ/BJ0mKPx1RXtw51UeUIOViSzJmYg2YVZIPyVAF2NgQF+/O9rCOtfjHvinjU +IGU+qX6iH4+rXtZGKLDW0cqiKYyoNERm3wl0kyI+/DqG8AE1pxTMqSuyeny3ssf DvPNKCzq//GPRBZq2T9lj8d2yb55vArgsfe27onUMczsRfArhyZZpQNFu/Gz10Wq +F7EHdUNix/3QoUuHvBJA7+wgscFQuMRt/32UdOv1N3j/mMa5F+VUAdgnwwSNLjC BbKNJFbVS88sCQhRLQjd8Y3xcgpRdpi3L3WvAxINlXQNbzdQsGPm41kEA7Ybm3jj CqBQz9dZ/yEFgtHPdxjuWJL6KmURB5LXfWPBrs3zaqrzccC7VeVBXPqhIFVw0jM6 yMn0SANA686UQTLvXyZIjNINeTm9ytm+K+4lc37cDb7KG/XO/1PKnEiLDoEPtRAe OLDgdi9vJMIb2Tt5cyZq6tRsJ9LDHq7XHJeWGFbGl3kbB7tH7pSNGNUzvYEpJumC GGLsBpMhHzCVZ95cglXxDyfEwNUIwe9SSFHFlypoETBUKsGy17foofRj6Bz9J1Tr rr7cmBU7A43+Y8Bkl2lPZgs00flhRZBoYCnX/JB4NhzIf/f1v6vpWTyTqNlzjWl2 Ag0DLc0RGe4= =rfpi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet crashes DSL modem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | I know of two nat routers that work well under the load of freenet: What about a cheap Linux box? 200 mHz + linux 2.6 + iptables works well for me -- although I usually just run the freenet node on that box so that it can be permanent... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQJPgqngHNmZLgCUhAQKulg/+IRjyAXYYaC54ZqKoMxIOyGKsIP7mbPMz bqFb9gY6au3FwqZTLQfCarjugy7GxWEmw/LjsR0nnQZ7iLuSXnmPCw7Df527C8+w BZ+yuspbQJu6JUq4mbUqdJvMBAa7n7q6B9ER/6I7Ota07SagaU5COWGdMJUDKhaW bLQ6rXWezUJlm4Fp4sYHqYctWjmTgAAXRntYf+XKcHrva6setDlSUaOoGXX+EpBy 4QeRN5NsYYvOF2RpbDPNrcSZBQ/cXkrfXtDDUYPp8vciOgcsA17Qxyp1KMJ3BmIM 7wRxP0xUi/ZW2+n7OlzVsFyoyinC2AKkDpmslJV7EvAUu0+JNk0ALqjVWn2pd40K XnhBWM4+JtvkqTg3uPNcD5Ms9CNsfRFrXfT97Lc8lrEAmbjKEReCodEBAKnSijsE rkafZTQXv2wd5nt8RFqmE9FNJrd5Hew2XA8w4AUO6p/pulPLxx0GZUay7JiirRfh GZIHQ9jxBjVCvv/nAa7iCntP7swATX6NwanMiS7K0Sfag6+xvwZYE2GXeHC5E2DW /eaFpPw91WgrA0/b8lKkJ/xY4PH9J15DGXW21JCIgbG2g2sH149q9AR1H9VumWy7 BIvf+1lQh48In5ogI5InAfXpPiC9EZnFWspeoEil++Gmr7L1E1ZRSlLxG1xl1wP6 KpukWunEeFI= =NSzE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Way to much RAM! Build 5064
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | Another good idea would be a 'freenet browser', something like Gecko or No, it wouldn't. Gecko is for rendering (and I'd guess that WebKit is also). It takes html and renders it. Freenet currently uses html, and will probably continue to use it (at least for browsing). It doesn't use http, of course, but adding a freenet:// URL style wouldn't change things too much, since you need the key first anyway -- it's going to be a long address no matter what. All that would do is allow for URLs to be to somewhere other than localhost, which can already be done (not sure if it has) by the server itself. This is better, because it doesn't require modifying a browser, and so far there's only one server. And if you wanted to do such a thing, or the privacy features auto-set, you would do it as a browser extension -- notice when it's a freenet url, and don't do things like caching it. For this, you'd probably just specify a particular host:port that is a freenet url. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQBrpewisZLIF6uqOAQJsuBAAiKP95NiE0ByRAwRamefiEB+jNM5d7wPd +QTy7x/s+SrhuarMtvnaGjZIjBzHOjv13lMm/3lA6cDlNOQjCLfapktmKN9mxn9l qQHE2ELBi8FQaYeuEkESH4M0TFQYpiUv9Zcxa5+IPzSbWOYfrRKoqUUlLHahsEAl mIFizhGfjBKRMKmia0YlcMYlUR6psuhBMVgU+A0N7oCHC8CTKeXM4HvMgUp7DOjK M1IS5YW1l7mvE0OXj2Y3+7lW6gFPT1L15qdV46OK1lc9JcUii9MD2T3sKf2Tiq0q QLNCGgv1voLkz5LLrOzJnZRAVhryE/nmfKVLlsLD1YFv2d8p5/xGhho66FvwDdRb uAwmrjK7sLy8HxSJGcsZO5MEhb+4d4nBUzycT2Xc4lnpEjRaoq0yBnDVPnvIfS3A a0GtsAuP69BTJKfM7mo+qZlyYjyBvfsztKXFwxx95F3Hq39+AISuEbdrie4TA7Cy 8+8MvMfpAoHwC0gUWkuDQLDaKGo8D8HUve2oTZLylhShNvM6wumYUYVx+fL0gViq SubnJLi7JLA3ffQ0m24FFjZQJeWAUaddqKnQeTBpNEMDrkigmzPsAens7WnIISvJ sA0MF/8TX7pYX+QMfP1AS93+LgbKJUOFCux+aby7CvtIMG3FTxafvZpGWjyqkApW 21bVOtLCkNA= =f50Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
