[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*

[Ortwin Regel]

He has a problem with you writing above the email you quoted. Don't
listen to him, though, top-posting is awesome. :P

On 9/6/06, Nicholas Sturm  wrote:
> What is "top-post?"
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Fake Name 
> > To: 
> > Cc: 
> > Date: 9/6/2006 10:53:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*
> >
> > On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, "freenetwork at web.de"  wrote:
> > >Don't feed the troll
> > >
> >
> > I am not a troll. 0.7 is in alpha state.  It needs to move to Beta state
> > with open-net
> >
> > p.s. please don't top-post
> >
> > >
> > >>Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet
> > >>failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of
> alpha
> > >>with open-net.
> > >>
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*

[Ortwin Regel]

It will but it will take time. You have to remember that 0.5 never did
(afaik).

On 3 Sep 2006 01:22:23 -, Fake Name 
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> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, "freenetwork at web.de"  wrote:
> >Don't feed the troll
> >
>
> I am not a troll. 0.7 is in alpha state.  It needs to move to Beta state
> with open-net
>
> p.s. please don't top-post
>
> >
> >>Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet
> >>failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of
> alpha
> >>with open-net.
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It will but it will take time. You have to remember that 0.5 never did (afaik).On 3 Sep 2006 01:22:23 -, Fake Name 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Don't feed the trollI am not a troll. 0.7 is in alpha state.It needs to move to Beta state
with open-netp.s. please don't top-postFreenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenetfailures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of alpha
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*

[Ortwin Regel]

He has a problem with you writing above the email you quoted. Don't
listen to him, though, top-posting is awesome. :P

On 9/6/06, Nicholas Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is top-post?


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 Don't feed the troll
 

 I am not a troll. 0.7 is in alpha state.  It needs to move to Beta state
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[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7

[Ortwin Regel]

It wasn't safe enough, though, I suppose.

On 30 Aug 2006 03:27:04 -, Crash at remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org <
Crash at remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:06 +0100, you wrote:
> >
> > Freenet 0.5 had opennet, and yet it was a failure.
> >
>
> Ok, I gotta know this.  How is 0.5 considered a failure. I use it daily
> and
> it works flawlessly, Frost messages flow as well as ever, as do downloads
> of
> splitfiles.  Yesterday I retrieved a freesite that had not been updated in
> two years and it was 100% intact.  To me, that spells success.
>
> "And now back to Frost"
>
> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:44:42PM -, Hartmut Folter wrote:
> > > Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet
> > > failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of
> alpha
> > > with open-net.
> > --
> > Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org
> > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
> > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7

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It wasn't safe enough, though, I suppose.On 30 Aug 2006 03:27:04 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:06 +0100, you wrote: Freenet 0.5 had opennet, and yet it was a failure.Ok, I gotta know this.How is 0.5 considered a failure. I use it daily andit works flawlessly, Frost messages flow as well as ever, as do downloads of
splitfiles.Yesterday I retrieved a freesite that had not been updated intwo years and it was 100% intact.To me, that spells success.And now back to Frost On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:44:42PM -, Hartmut Folter wrote:
  Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet  failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of alpha  with open-net. -- Matthew J Toseland - 
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Ortwin Regel]

Please stop this spam, you fucking idiots... :-/

On 29 Aug 2006 13:10:13 -, Fake Name 
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> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke  wrote:
> >On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote:
> >> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens
> >> to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main
> >> network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is
> >> setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to
> >> everyone else.
> >
> >That is not true.  Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global
> >network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.
> >
> >Ian.
> >
> >Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc.
> >phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog
>
>
> Ian;
>
> 0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed.
>
> Please urge Toad to deploy open net now
>
> thanks
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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Please stop this spam, you fucking idiots... :-/On 29 Aug 2006 13:10:13 -, Fake Name [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 
0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else.
That is not true.Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one globalnetwork, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.Ian.Ian Clarke: Co-Founder  Chief Scientist Revver, Inc.
phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blogIan;0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed.Please urge Toad to deploy open net now
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Ortwin Regel]

Doesn't have anything to do with 0.5 as far as I can tell. Except that in
0.5 you don't have to capture PCs to capture people on the network, in
0.7you do, making it quite a bit more secure.

On 8/25/06, Evan Daniel  wrote:
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> On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
> >
> > >It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC
> gets
> > >captured, that's possible.
> >
> > If the person was busted their computer would be captured.
> >
> > I guess the only safe way is to run freenet from inside an encrypted
> > (truecrypt or the like) partition or container and just hope freenet
> doesn't
> > write information outside that container, no matter what the OS.
>
> I'm confused... is this supposed to be an argument in favor of 0.5???
>
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Ortwin Regel]

It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets
captured, that's possible.

On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
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> >
> >No, only he is busted.
> >
> How do you figure that? Doesn't he have connections that canthen be traced
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Ortwin Regel]

No, only he is busted.

On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
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>
> >
> >Except that probably one of your friends knows someone on an other
> network,
> >exchanges refs, and bang!, you've got a big worldwide network again.
> >
> >
>
> Or one of them goes into an IRC chat and exchanges the information and
> bang
> you're all busted.
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Ortwin Regel]

Except that probably one of your friends knows someone on an other network,
exchanges refs, and bang!, you've got a big worldwide network again.

On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
>
>
>
> >From: "Lars Juel Nielsen" 
> >Reply-To: support at freenetproject.org
> >To: support at freenetproject.org
> >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
> >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:54:16 +0200
> >
> >On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
> >> >From: "Lars Juel Nielsen" 
> >>
> >> >to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick
> >> >them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts
> >> >are part of it.
> >>
> >>Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into letting someone in. All
> >>they
> >>have to do is go to the IRC Chat and advertise they have freenet and
> want
> >>to
> >>exchange information with someone. Someone exchanges information with
> them
> >>and they in. Or are you saying everyone who joined was tricked into
> >>joining
> >>Freenet in the first place?
> >>
> >
> >For now that is true, they could just go on IRC and get connected but
> >I'm talking about in the long run and people who are way too cautious
> >to do something as silly as that. Anyway the IRC thing is just for
> >bootstrapping the main network the devs are trying to create. People
> >who want to have their own private darknets can easily do so too.
> >
>
> I get it, freenet is not a worldwide community (openet), it's a bunch of
> private nets (darknets). Instead of growing to be huge like 0.5, 0.7 is
> inherently made to be small, unless you want to advertise on IRC. For now,
> my 'advertised on IRC' machine, is used for testing purposes only. Once
> things are running I remove all of my connections and build my own darknet
> of people I know and we use it as a private place to meet.
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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Except that probably one of your friends knows someone on an other network, exchanges refs, and bang!, you've got a big worldwide network again.On 8/25/06, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org
To: support@freenetproject.orgSubject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:54:16 +0200On 8/25/06, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts are part of it.
Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into letting someone in. Alltheyhave to do is go to the IRC Chat and advertise they have freenet and wanttoexchange information with someone. Someone exchanges information with them
and they in. Or are you saying everyone who joined was tricked intojoiningFreenet in the first place?For now that is true, they could just go on IRC and get connected but
I'm talking about in the long run and people who are way too cautiousto do something as silly as that. Anyway the IRC thing is just forbootstrapping the main network the devs are trying to create. People
who want to have their own private darknets can easily do so too.I get it, freenet is not a worldwide community (openet), it's a bunch ofprivate nets (darknets). Instead of growing to be huge like 
0.5, 0.7 isinherently made to be small, unless you want to advertise on IRC. For now,my 'advertised on IRC' machine, is used for testing purposes only. Oncethings are running I remove all of my connections and build my own darknet
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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No, only he is busted.On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets captured, that's possible.On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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Doesn't have anything to do with 0.5 as far as I can tell. Except that in 0.5 you don't have to capture PCs to capture people on the network, in 0.7 you do, making it quite a bit more secure.
On 8/25/06, Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets
 captured, that's possible. If the person was busted their computer would be captured. I guess the only safe way is to run freenet from inside an encrypted (truecrypt or the like) partition or container and just hope freenet doesn't
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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The stable version of WW1 was so much better...

On 8/23/06, Ian Clarke  wrote:
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> On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote:
>
> You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something about it.
>
>
> Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I
> think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than
> the first world war.
>
> Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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The stable version of WW1 was so much better...On 8/23/06, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote:You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something about it.
Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than the first world war.
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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Wrong, it works quite well so it's functional. It's not completed but it needs users to progress.On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:0.7
 isn't a stable version either. It's a not nearly completed, farfrom functional version.On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0.5 isn't a stable version. It's an outdated version that many people
 happen to use. Of course you can keep using 0.5 and slowly watch it die, or even try to keep it alive. But the freenet team wants you to populate 0.7 so they can improve it. It's unfortunate that it scares
 away a few users too lazy to run 0.7 but they will come back once it's better and stable. On 8/22/06, an ominous cow herd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:  I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. It's fine the way it  is. It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the  0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it unsupported while
  directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make sense. The  0.5 network should be called the stable version and 0.7 should be the  unstable version, just like it was done in the past. If users ask questions,
  they should be directed to the wiki. Why the big push to get new users on  the 0.7 network while it's still in the alpha stage?   On Monday 21 August 2006 14:35, Matthew Toseland wrote:
   We don't have a big enough team to actively support both. On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote:I can empathize.Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen
take a working application and push it aside, while directing new usersto an alpha version.The way it would normally be done is listingFreenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the unsupported version,
and 0.7 as the alpha version still under development.New users wouldopt for the stable version. Having new users directed to an alpha versionwhile the stable version is fully functioning is quite strange.
   On Saturday 19 August 2006 08:11, - wrote: Hi, I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta
 test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5. You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try freenet, even version 
0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's think about what would motivate someone... I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours reading
 over the technical jargon. It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap that does not work.
 Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, it finally started working.
 The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out once, was because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content.
 Here's the problem: If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an unstable beta test,
 why would anyone new bother to join the community? Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers to beta test some random highly technical peer to peer application that
 completely hogs your computer's resources? The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly.
 A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the configurations,
 frost, fuqid, etc. If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and install program without all the technical jargon, you would double or
 triple your user base. The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there
 that don't know about freenet already? So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta
 testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is working. Even I would be willing to help create this website, and I'm sure many other people also would volunteer.
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Ortwin Regel]

It's not suicide, it's progression. The people who accept it will enjoy the
new, better freenet, those who don't will continue to live in the past until
they can be persuaded.

On 21 Aug 2006 13:18:13 -0400, Rowland  wrote:
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> This is the sort of thing that happens when you break backward
> compatibility and/or interoperability. You throw away all the user base
> and goodwill you've built up over the years. THAT'S suicide.
>
> On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 11:21, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote:
> > "Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands.
> > The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the
> > future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one
> > would be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a constant
> > work-in-progress..."
> >
> > Suicide? So the fact that gaim has 1.5 in their downloads section when
> > they have 2.0 beta 3 out is suicide? The fact that some Linux distros
> > still use the 2.4 kernel is suicide? Funny how they're all still here
> > and quite popular
> > Linking to 0.7 is suicide. New people come, download it, find there's
> > nothing there, and leave. And don't try again later. I understand that
> > there are good reasons behind developing the darknetbut for most
> > users looking at freenet, they're looking for an opennet. And they're
> > looking for a network up and running. They're not expecting something
> > that's just barely starting.
> >
> > On 8/21/06, Julien Cornuwel  wrote:
> > > urza9814 at gmail.com a ?crit :
> > >
> > > > .7 has very few users, very little content, and no opennet.
> > > > It's useless for new users.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure stopping linking it on the website would help it have
> more
> > > users. About content, I see new freesites apearing quite the same
> rythm
> > > as on 0.5 so it's just a matter of time for 0.7 to have as much
> content
> > > as 0.5.
> > >
> > > > And the security that you say is better has yet to be tested. I
> > >
> > >
> > > Where did I say that ? In "the same security level." ?
> > > AFAIK, "the same" is not equal to "better". Maybe I'm wrong.
> > >
> > > > wouldn't bet on something that's only been around for a few months
> vs.
> > > > something that's been slowly improving for...well, longer than I've
> > > > known freenet.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands.
> > > The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the
> > > future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one
> > > would be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a
> constant
> > > work-in-progress...
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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Freenet works different. Accept it.

On 8/21/06, urza9814 at gmail.com  wrote:
>
> "Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands.
> The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the
> future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one
> would be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a constant
> work-in-progress..."
>
> Suicide? So the fact that gaim has 1.5 in their downloads section when
> they have 2.0 beta 3 out is suicide? The fact that some Linux distros
> still use the 2.4 kernel is suicide? Funny how they're all still here
> and quite popular
> Linking to 0.7 is suicide. New people come, download it, find there's
> nothing there, and leave. And don't try again later. I understand that
> there are good reasons behind developing the darknetbut for most
> users looking at freenet, they're looking for an opennet. And they're
> looking for a network up and running. They're not expecting something
> that's just barely starting.
>
> On 8/21/06, Julien Cornuwel  wrote:
> > urza9814 at gmail.com a ?crit :
> >
> > > .7 has very few users, very little content, and no opennet.
> > > It's useless for new users.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure stopping linking it on the website would help it have more
> > users. About content, I see new freesites apearing quite the same rythm
> > as on 0.5 so it's just a matter of time for 0.7 to have as much content
> > as 0.5.
> >
> > > And the security that you say is better has yet to be tested. I
> >
> >
> > Where did I say that ? In "the same security level." ?
> > AFAIK, "the same" is not equal to "better". Maybe I'm wrong.
> >
> > > wouldn't bet on something that's only been around for a few months vs.
> > > something that's been slowly improving for...well, longer than I've
> > > known freenet.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands.
> > The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the
> > future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one
> > would be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a constant
> > work-in-progress...
> >
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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Freenet works different. Accept it.On 8/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands.
The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is thefuture. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old onewould be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a constant
work-in-progress...Suicide? So the fact that gaim has 1.5 in their downloads section whenthey have 2.0 beta 3 out is suicide? The fact that some Linux distrosstill use the 2.4 kernel is suicide? Funny how they're all still here
and quite popularLinking to 0.7 is suicide. New people come, download it, find there'snothing there, and leave. And don't try again later. I understand thatthere are good reasons behind developing the darknetbut for most
users looking at freenet, they're looking for an opennet. And they'relooking for a network up and running. They're not expecting somethingthat's just barely starting.On 8/21/06, Julien Cornuwel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :  .7 has very few users, very little content, and no opennet.  It's useless for new users.
 I'm not sure stopping linking it on the website would help it have more users. About content, I see new freesites apearing quite the same rythm as on 0.5 so it's just a matter of time for 
0.7 to have as much content as 0.5.  And the security that you say is better has yet to be tested. I Where did I say that ? In the same security level. ?
 AFAIK, the same is not equal to better. Maybe I'm wrong.  wouldn't bet on something that's only been around for a few months vs.  something that's been slowly improving for...well, longer than I've
  known freenet. Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands. The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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It's not suicide, it's progression. The people who accept it will enjoy the new, better freenet, those who don't will continue to live in the past until they can be persuaded.On 21 Aug 2006 13:18:13 -0400, 
Rowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the sort of thing that happens when you break backwardcompatibility and/or interoperability. You throw away all the user baseand goodwill you've built up over the years. THAT'S suicide.On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 11:21, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands. The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the
 future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one would be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a constant work-in-progress... Suicide? So the fact that gaim has 
1.5 in their downloads section when they have 2.0 beta 3 out is suicide? The fact that some Linux distros still use the 2.4 kernel is suicide? Funny how they're all still here and quite popular
 Linking to 0.7 is suicide. New people come, download it, find there's nothing there, and leave. And don't try again later. I understand that there are good reasons behind developing the darknetbut for most
 users looking at freenet, they're looking for an opennet. And they're looking for a network up and running. They're not expecting something that's just barely starting. On 8/21/06, Julien Cornuwel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :.7 has very few users, very little content, and no opennet.
   It's useless for new users.I'm not sure stopping linking it on the website would help it have more  users. About content, I see new freesites apearing quite the same rythm
  as on 0.5 so it's just a matter of time for 0.7 to have as much content  as 0.5.And the security that you say is better has yet to be tested. I  
  Where did I say that ? In the same security level. ?  AFAIK, the same is not equal to better. Maybe I'm wrong.wouldn't bet on something that's only been around for a few months vs.
   something that's been slowly improving for...well, longer than I've   known freenet.Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands.
  The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the  future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one  would be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a constant
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[freenet-support] Switching it off for a while

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You could always change your nodename to "I'll be back" or something before
you leave, then people connected at that time can see that you are just away
temporarily. That's what I was planning to do.

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> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 12:38:18PM +0200, Level 13 wrote:
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> > their Freenet node off for a while (say when going on vacation etc.)?
> > I mean, is there a minimum limit as to when a node is considered
> > "dead"? So if it comes back online in e.g. 1 month, will it be a whole
> > new "discovery" for it, or will it continue operating from where it
> > was before?
>
> A lot of people drop nodes which have been idle for a while, on the
> assumption that they were newbies who have uninstalled. So yes, it
> probably would lose many of its connections.
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[freenet-support] Node does not start again when reset (Windows)

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All my directories as well as my ini use the port number 13767. So why does
the program expect the port number 61133?! I can't find it in the ini or
anywhere else.

On 7/9/06, Volodya  wrote:
>
> Ortwin Regel wrote:
> > Does anyone have any idea about my problem? I'm on Windows. What I
> > did: Install freenet, stopped freenet, updated it, started it, added a
> > node, stopped it, started it. It doesn't want to start again with an
> > error 1067. Happens everytime I connect it to at least one node and
> > then try to restart. wrapper.log: http://pastebin.ca/82788 Install
> > log: http://pastebin.ca/82793 (3 errors, are those normal?)
>
> I just helped somebody with the similar problem this morning, something
> changed your
> freenet.ini. Check the file and make sure that your port number that the
> node listens to
> is 13767. Why does it happen? A good question.
>
>- Volodya
>
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> to, and had to
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[freenet-support] Node does not start again when reset (Windows)

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Does anyone have any idea about my problem? I'm on Windows. What I
did: Install freenet, stopped freenet, updated it, started it, added a
node, stopped it, started it. It doesn't want to start again with an
error 1067. Happens everytime I connect it to at least one node and
then try to restart. wrapper.log: http://pastebin.ca/82788 Install
log: http://pastebin.ca/82793 (3 errors, are those normal?)

[freenet-support] Node does not start again when reset (Windows)

[Ortwin Regel]

Does anyone have any idea about my problem? I'm on Windows. What I
did: Install freenet, stopped freenet, updated it, started it, added a
node, stopped it, started it. It doesn't want to start again with an
error 1067. Happens everytime I connect it to at least one node and
then try to restart. wrapper.log: http://pastebin.ca/82788 Install
log: http://pastebin.ca/82793 (3 errors, are those normal?)
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All my directories as well as my ini use the port number 13767. So why does the program expect the port number 61133?! I can't find it in the ini or anywhere else.On 7/9/06, 
Volodya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ortwin Regel wrote: Does anyone have any idea about my problem? I'm on Windows. What I did: Install freenet, stopped freenet, updated it, started it, added a node, stopped it, started it. It doesn't want to start again with an
 error 1067. Happens everytime I connect it to at least one node and then try to restart. wrapper.log: http://pastebin.ca/82788 Install log: 
http://pastebin.ca/82793 (3 errors, are those normal?)I just helped somebody with the similar problem this morning, something changed yourfreenet.ini. Check the file and make sure that your port number that the node listens to
is 13767. Why does it happen? A good question. - VolodyaP.S. The person i helped out also lost all the peers that an was linked to, and had tostart ref exchange process all over.
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