Re: [freenet-support] RE: trouble getting any information
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 07:52:10PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running Win XP with IE and Zonealarm Pro (active and switched off, no difference). Please don't use IE with Freenet. You don't want to compromise your anonymity, whether you now feel you need it or not. As for the problem you describe, it may be that you just need to keep running Freenet. When I've gotten those messages (and everything should have been okay) I've noticed that they just go away after a while. A small possibility is that everything *is* running okay, but your node doesn't know about enough other nodes yet, and the few it does know about maybe rejected your node's advances because they were too busy at the moment. Like a busy signal on the telephone. Remember also that Freenet, unlike other peer to peer networks, doesn't offer the convenience of turning it on only when you want. For the node to work at all well, it needs to integrate itself into the network. On the other hand, Freenet should be more sustainable in the long term as it really penalizes leaches, and requires a medium term commitment of resources. When I started my last office job, I learned everyone's name and got on a conversation-basis with them sometime before I actually was able to get in on the rumor distribution chain. It's roughly the same (in effect) with Freenet. Right. The node has to learn about the other nodes, as well as finding more nodes to talk to. Also there are initial problems with connecting to other nodes. Run it as much as possible until you can reliably retrieve a few sites. You don't need to actually USE it much; it should learn by itself. You can encourage this process by trying to browse sites, or installing Frost (http://jtcfrost.sf.net/). On the other hand, maybe there's a config problem? Maybe try re-seeding the node, by running freenet-webinstall.exe again. -todd -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] RNFs
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 09:52:33AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was helpful - thanks. Sorry to belabor the issue, but I still wonder if 100 is a reasonable number of connections, why would the default be 200? Shouldn't the default be 100? It's unclear ATM. We need a reasonable number because we want a bunch of nodes specialized near our spec, a bunch of nodes around the keyspace, and a bunch of less good or testing or newbie nodes. Also, if we set the limit to 100, then from experience the actual number of connections would be rather less - say 60 or 70. But the main influence ATM is the fact that if a node has much less than the average, it will be disadvantaged in load balancing... we need to do something about it but I don't really know what yet.. maybe some form of queueing will help, but it's not obvious how. Kevin Steen wrote: All the config options and their code-specified default values can be found on the web interface: http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/documentation/cli If you don't use the Windows graphical configuration tool, I'd suggest deleting all the default entries in the config file and using a file with only the required lines in it ([Freenet node], ipAddress, listenPort, outputBandwidthLimit, storeSize). This makes it easier to review your config changes whenever you upgrade freenet. -Kevin On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 15:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, that worked. Would you happen to know the min/max for the entries that have a numeric value? Salah Coronya wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will someone please post the new .conf file with min/max and defaults? Apparently the .conf file is not updated when the version is updated. Toad wrote: No, it's 200. It used to be 512. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Back up you old configuration file, (optionally, but recommended also delete the original) and use java -jar freenet.jar --config to regenerate it. It'll generate a new config file with all the defaults (be sure to chose the the same listenPort and datastore size as before). (If you have customer settings in you old freenet.conf file that aren't the default, you'll need to re-add them) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA27znhctESbvQ8ZwRAoYbAJ43mxON7NCbH3WapM91k4QVrbuCnQCfSkiS u7PDlyB4kut58Ty2/H69bV4= =XCHq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet freezes internet connection
Very unlikely to be a Freenet problem. Are you going through a DSL router or similar device? Sometimes they have really bad limits, and freenet can break them... On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:34:01PM +0200, Manfred Huber wrote: Hello, I'm experiencing the following problem with Freenet: After some uptime, Freenet usually freezes my internet connection. Neither Freenet nor other applications send or receive any data anymore. By quickly cancelling and re-establishing my internet connection and restarting the node, I can sometimes avert the problem. But this doesn't always work; if it doesn't, I am unable to close the involved programs, and I am forced to restart the computer with the reset-button. Involved processes won't respond to the Windows Task Manager anymore. I do cause some activity at my node. I run FUQID and (sometimes) Frost. It can also happen while just browsing freesites, using either Opera or Mozilla. I am using: Freenet Built 5084 standard config except for transient=false, doAnnounce=true, upstream bw limit and DS Windows XP Sun JVM: this behaviour happens with various Sun JVMs (1.4.1_03, 1.4.1_06, 1.4.2_sth.) I am experiencing the problem since 5083. It was not there with builds 5082 or lower. Unfortunately, I didn't keep a copy of 5082 to verify that this problem will not happen there after happening at 5083 for the first time. I cannot pinpoint a clearly set aside error message. I obviously get send failed infos when the connection is frozen, I guess... I wonder if anything can be done about this. Kind regards, Manni -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] RNFs
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 10:31:41AM +0200, Jano wrote: Latest stable, windows 2000, java 1.4.2: After a restart and seeing that I have these peers: Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 13 (12/1/200) OUCH! Have you reseeded recently? In any case if you leave it running for a day or so it should accumulate more... a reasonable number is 100+ connections... Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 1 (0/1) Data waiting to be transferredNone Total amount of data transferred 245 KiB Most of them have idletime 0, if that means something. I attempt to download FIND and I get: Error: Route Not Found Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes. 0 were totally unreachable. 0 restarted. 0 cleanly rejected. Not surprising with only 13 connections open... This happens *very* often... is it normal? any more data that could be useful? Yeah, there is one thing: http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodestatus/nodestatus.html Show me the top 10 lines or so. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: RNFs
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 03:49:46PM +0200, Someone wrote: Toad schrieb: OUCH! Have you reseeded recently? In any case if you leave it running for a day or so it should accumulate more... a reasonable number is 100+ connections... I found that around 30 connections or normal and 60 connections is a really good number around 1 hour after restarting my stable node. If my node was down more then 2 days (this happens from time to time) I have to reseed or I would need more than 6 hours to get more than 20 connections to other nodes. I think this is related to two things: 1. There are many stable nodes behind NATs or (personal) Firewalls that aren't configured right, so they can't accept incoming connections. 2. In countries like here in germany you don't have fixed IPs and your internet connection will get forcefully disconnected after something between 6 and 24 hours. So most of the nodes here change their IPs really often. AFAIK SIX HOURS? Woah... my address gets changed at most once a month... freenet doesn't use ARKs anymore, and ppl concerned about their privacy aren't really Yeah, the network needs to work pretty well for ARKs to be useful, and anyway they operate over too long a timescale normally. Thus I never reimplemented them for unstable. into using dyndns services. So if the node was down for a longer time most Dyndns is mainly needed for nodes behind NATs. A solution has been half-coded, will be completed eventually. IPs of the nodes in its routing table are no longer valid and it can't connect to many other nodes. Additionally it's own IP might have changed, so the node won't get many incoming connections eighter, because the other nodes don't know the new IP of it. Possibly. What's typical stats on stable? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: RNFs
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 05:21:19PM +0200, Someone wrote: Michael R. Stork schrieb: It depends on when they do system maintenance. As long as their system is up, and you stay connected, you should keep renewing the same IP. No, it is not system maintenance here in germany. In fact it's part of the contract with the ISPs that you will get forcefully disconnected at least every 24 hours, even on DSL (which uses PPPoE here, so it actually is just a faster dialup connection). There are no IP leases and you can't influence what IP you get. This doesn't have a technically reason, its more due political and economical reasons. Uhm, what political and economic reasons? I mean if they don't like servers, then they'd NAT you. And AFAIK there are more european countries in which it is handled the same way. To say it clear, a fixed IP (even when it is only fixed for a week) is something special you have to pay for in germany, and no ISP will give you something for free if he can actually charge a good ammount of extra money for it. Capitalism is alive and well in the UK, and yet our dynamic IP addresses usually stay the same for weeks on end... even on the cheap domestic cable setups... -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: RNFs
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 05:48:53PM +0200, Someone wrote: Troed S?ngberg schrieb: I'm myself on 8/1 ADSL with a static IP, and I just got my VDSL modem in the mail so in 1-2 weeks I should be up on ~13-20Mbit both ways ... (depends on the distance to the station). Cost? ?43/month. No traffic limits. Home servers allowed. Woa, I wish something like this would be available here. The best you can get is DSL with 3 Mbit/s down and 384 Kbit/s up without traffic limits. This will cost around 100 euro per month and home servers are not disallowed, but also not liked very much. Hmm. I haven't found anything with more than 256kbps uplink, short of SDSL here. Also the AUPs generally explicitly disallow servers used by other people. Mine stipulates a ridiculous maximum simultaneous connections of 10. Essentially this means if they get annoyed they can kick you without any legal ramifications; I've never had any problems, despite running 2-3 freenet nodes much of the time, and 1 node 90%+ of the time. Of course you will have the normal 24 hour disconnect Strange. I suppose you have different fashions in different countries - one ISP realizes a new way to f*ck the customer, and then the rest follow suit to prevent competition driving down prices! Or do you only have one DSL ISP, by any chance? also, and this speed is only available if your home is within a Range of ~2 kilometers of the DSLAM. In my home the fastest DSL connection I can get is 1 Mbit/s down and 128 KBit/s up, this still costs around 60 euro per month with unlimited traffic. VDSL isn't used here, you can have Modem/ISDN or ADSL for private users. The next bigger thing are leased lines with 2 MBit up and down, but these cost way more money and you won't get unlimited traffic. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Impact and motives? was Re: [freenet-support] Re: RNFs
Okay, impact on Freenet: - Every N hours (6, 12, 24), a German node will lose all its connections. It will then reestablish them, as long as they are not German nodes which are simultaneously broken. QUESTION: are they all recycled at once? Surely not, for obvious reasons. So hopefully it'll just be a matter of reestablishing all the connections. Reconnecting will however take significant time... - When the interruption occurs, all connected nodes will not only lose their connections, but they will also not be able to reconnect. So you are relying on the server reconnecting to the clients. Motives? Presumably there isn't enough demand for static IP addresses for ISPs to compete on it in the basic package... and the minority who do want static IP pay so much that it is worth the extra network administration, hardware, etc, to implement the below and inconvenience the majority by breaking all their TCP connections every 6-24 hours? On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 05:12:08PM +0200, Someone wrote: Toad schrieb: SIX HOURS? Woah... my address gets changed at most once a month... The longest time any of the major ISPs for DSL/Dialup allow you to have an IP is 24 hours, after that you'll get disconnected, no matter what comes, and get a new IP after reconnecting. There are some smaller ISPs that only allow between 6 and 12 hour without a forced disconnect. There are ISPs that give special offers for fixed IPs, but this costs quite some additional money and you won't get unlimited bandwith from them. Yeah, the network needs to work pretty well for ARKs to be useful, and anyway they operate over too long a timescale normally. Thus I never reimplemented them for unstable. Hmmm, but something like this would be needed. Dyndns is mainly needed for nodes behind NATs. A solution has been half-coded, will be completed eventually. But it also helps with changing IPs, if I don't use a dyndns on my node it takes ages after a forced disconnect for other nodes to reconnect to mine. With dyndns it's a matter of some minutes. Possibly. What's typical stats on stable? The machine my nodes runs on is currently down (the IBM hard disk died), so I can't give exact numbers :-(. But from previous observations I can say that with using dyndns I had around 130 to 140 connections after around 2 hours from which 30 to 50 outgoing connections and the others incoming connections were. So my node always depended on incoming conns. The IPs in the routing table changed quite fast and only very few of them stayed longer then 1 day. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Automatic server retry of failing documents
On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 11:03:18PM +0200, Michael Schierl wrote: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 06:33:22PM +0200, Michael Schierl wrote: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [putting every image into an iframe to work around Freenet's reloading bugs] It works pretty well on the SSKvsCHK site :) One should not justify a dirty hack by it works pretty well since most dirty hacks will... Why is it a dirty hack? Do you think it is usual behaviour to put images into IFRAMEs? I have only seen that on Freenet. And since it is more work (and needs more resources on most browsers) and is only done to work around another problem, I usually call thinks like this a dirty hack. So: - there is a usual solution (IMG tags for images). - it does not work in a specified environment (Freenet). - there is no interest to fix that solution in this environment, because - there is a simple way to work around that problem (IFRAME) - which uses techniques not appropriate for the problem (starting a whole HTML parser subinstance just for rendering an image) and - makes migration of existing work harder (mirroring a website into Freenet requires s/img/iframe/) == dirty hack. What is your definition of dirty hack? Fair enough. Would you say that the solution is to make sure the images load the first time from IMG SRCs? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Automatic server retry of failing documents
On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 06:33:22PM +0200, Michael Schierl wrote: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 10:17:30PM +0200, Michael Schierl wrote: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: b) the failing file is an image. In that case it just disappears and you have to reload the page manually until you have all images. (alternatively, you can open a browser window/tab for every single image you want to have; IMHO this is no real solution either.) This is what IFRAME is for :) One iframe per image? IBTD. What's IBTD? I beg to differ? I thought it to be I beg to disagree, but that is quite the same... It works pretty well on the SSKvsCHK site :) One should not justify a dirty hack by it works pretty well since most dirty hacks will... Why is it a dirty hack? mihi -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] max connections not chagning
On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 07:29:05PM -0700, ShoeyFighter wrote: I'm using the latest freenet client on win98se (don't say anything ;p) and Java 1.42, and I can't get the maximum connections to work properly. I set my max connections to 75, and my max threads to 200, but when I access my node and look at the open connections page, it says that 40 is still my max connections. Hmmm. We are limiting it to 40. Which is rather strange given that Win98 is supposed to support 100... Any suggestions? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] max connections not chagning
On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 10:15:08AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using the latest freenet client on win98se (don't say anything ;p) and Java 1.42, and I can't get the maximum connections to work properly. I set my max connections to 75, and my max threads to 200, but when I access my node and look at the open connections page, it says that 40 is still my max connections. Any suggestions? on win98 FRED (the freenet daemon you're running) limits the maximum connections it uses always down to a max of 40 because win98 is unable to have more than ~80 connections open at all. as i've got win98se too, i stopped trying and switched to a *real* operating system like .. (not starting a flamebait here ;) Uh, I thought win98's limit was 100 conns? If you know differently, please tell! so either forget it or live with the 40 connections (or install yourself an OS) HTH ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: [freenet-chat] where is the http:// in freenet where i can download all those trader's software
Uh, you want us to tell you where you can get WaReZ from on Freenet, right? That would almost certainly be illegal... and this IS an open list. Personally I try to avoid proprietary software, but that which I *DO* use (games) I pay for... On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 02:14:48PM +0800, currency fundamentalist wrote: can someone please share with me where i can find the, or more appropriately, an, http:// directory in the freenet, where i can download all those trader's software i've been looking for. such as the names found at: http://www.geocities.com/ta_soft/pro.htm http://www.geocities.com/ta_soft/new.htm thank you. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
Really people, can we take the advocacy to chat or private email? Oh and btw, the number of nodes on freenet is ~ 4000-16000. On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 07:53:38PM -0400, Michael R. Stork wrote: David Masover wrote: an excuse to tell them how ignorant they are for not doing it your way I was suggesting my way. I wasn't implying that anyone was stupid. Perhaps it wasn't you that made the first comment, but the first person who started talking about Linux in this thread did so by implying that doing anything other then installing Linux was stupid and a waste of time. If that wasn't you, then you just jumped on the Linux rant after that. niche that's not going to be supported by the mainstream. And, if it I suspect that this niche would include much of freenet. If I don't even trust my ISP, how am I supposed to trust Microsoft? I NEVER said I trusted Microsoft ! I don't even really like Microsoft, and I agree that Windows isn't a great OS. What I disagree with is your assertion that it's possible to do all the same things with Linux as you can with Windows. Yes, there is more software being produced now that will run under Linux, but there's no where near the same variety. ever does take off, and surplant Windows as the standard, then the hackers will just start writing their malicious code to infect it, and It's already got something like 25-30% of the web server market. Don't you think they've been trying? Maybe it's the open-source nature, or the engineering of these systems that makes them more secure? And ? You're just helping make my point. 25-30% of a small portion of the total computer market is what in terms of totla number of computers ? I'm still guessing it's less then 1%. Most of Freenet, how many Freenet nodes are out there ? 2500 or so ? Again, a small niche market. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Linux. I've said several times now, that I agree that Linux is more secure then Windows, I just think that using any oppurtunity to try to push it is just plain stupid. The average computer user, not technician or programmer, is running Windows. When they ask for help configuring a piece of software, so that Freenet works ON THIER SYSTEM, telling them to go out and buy another system to install Linux on, or that they should wipe their existing OS and run Linux, just so that they can run a Freenet node is moronic. If you want to expand Freenet, the way to do it is not by making it seem like the only way to do so is on a Linux system. As to responding more intelligently then the ranter, well I'd say that isn't all that tough to do. What is hard to do is is to have a reasonable discussion when the other person chops out the majority of your post, and then responds to a small snippet as if that were it's entirety. (Yes, I snipped a bunch from this last post, cheifly the more insulting crap.) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] DATA STORE
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 03:55:08AM -0700, miguel wrote: Hey there! I have a 6+ gigabyte datastore(yeah, yeah, hold the praise. Thank you, thank you...) My 3 nodes (usually 1-2 of them are running) have DSs of: storeSize=0.9G (second unstable node used for testing) storeSize=19G (stable node) storeSize=18G (unstable node) But then I get paid for this... :) I know that Iakin has 100GB+ stores on some of his nodes. What I can't figure is this... When I stop Freenet for whatever reason, and then restart it, it looks to me like it should load some of my previously acquired data and images etc. quickly, getting them from my own datastore. Instead though, here we go again, tapping fingers on desk, going for coffee, taking a nap, going out for a movie, taking a vacation when, upon return, VOILA, I'm back to where I was before restarting Freenet. What are you complaining about here? Is data being lost from the store or are you just annoyed that it takes so long to restart the node? How can I force my system to look through my own datastore first It does. It's just that not everything that goes through your node is cached. This is because your store is full, so we try to enhance routing by probabilistic caching. At some point we may implement a local-only cache to supplant the datastore; this would disappear on restart for security reasons. OR how can I force my system to put my stuff in my datastore and then go there to retrieve it before going out on a world cruise for more? Anonymity issues? What? The stuff I have is all encrypted anyway. Please help me to force a local search/retrieve first. Anonymity is more complex than it's all encrypted anyway. We cannot always cache locally requested data, while probabilistically caching everything else, because then an attacker could tell what you've been browsing. We could use a strict LRU for all data, however the simulations suggest that probabilistic caching should improve routing performance by reducing the routing dilution that happens as a result of excessive caching. We DID try turning off pcaching for a while and it didn't help performance. IS THERE HELP? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] DATA STORE
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 10:07:02AM -0400, Michael R. Stork wrote: Toad wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 03:55:08AM -0700, miguel wrote: What I can't figure is this... When I stop Freenet for whatever reason, and then restart it, it looks to me like it should load some of my previously acquired data and images etc. quickly, getting them from my own datastore. Instead though, here we go again, tapping fingers on desk, going for coffee, taking a nap, going out for a movie, taking a vacation when, upon return, VOILA, I'm back to where I was before restarting Freenet. What are you complaining about here? Is data being lost from the store or are you just annoyed that it takes so long to restart the node? Anytime I've had to restart my node, it appears that the data store is just plain gone. I can go from having my resources at 60+% full one minutes, restart, and I'm at 0. That and it then seems to need to be active again for 10+ hours before clicking on anything is practical. Unfortunately I'm only able to run a transient node at the moment, something I'm working to remedy, and doing so seems almost worthless. Hmm. That rather indicates a bug. Do you have storeIndex enabled? How much of the data in question is in store/temp/ ? Unfortunately, from what I'm understanding of the rest of your response, it doesn't sound as if there's anything to be done about this, other then not restart. Is that a correct interpretation ? Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] webinterface not available
Strange... what Java version are you running it under? On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 10:09:54PM +0200, Hessi James wrote: hi, i run an up-to-date windows version of freenet. the webinterface however is not reachable, the site does not finish loading. in freenet.log i get many errors like this one: Jun 16, 2004 9:29:26 PM (freenet.support.io.NIOOutputStream, YThread-42, ERROR): NIOOS.write(byte[],int,int) timed out.tcp/connection: 127.0.0.1:4569,[EMAIL PROTECTED] closing [EMAIL PROTECTED] this happens with the firewall enabled and disabled. when i try do download seednodes.ref the Freenet for Windows support software crashes. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Node not caching keys requested?
Is the store full? If not, this is probably a bug... On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 01:33:53PM +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote: I've just started running a freenet node again, it's been up for a few hours (and is getting bombarded by incoming connections :P). However, I'm trying to download FUQID from freenet so I can see the source. The node has actually completed the transfer 4 or 5 times (I had my browser timeout too low :/), but it still has to download it from other nodes. Is this normal? I have a 4GB store, so I would have thought it would have been stored by now... -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Automatic server retry of failing documents
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 10:17:30PM +0200, Michael Schierl wrote: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a) one does not use Fproxy for fetching a file In which case whatever you did use would retry. Not necessarily. Scripts talking FCP via netcat most likely won't... And, I think it is not an option that *if* every tool retried (just to make it work in b0rken freenet state) to abuse this by requiring tools to do so. (this argument is a bit like why remove popups on my website? there are popup blockers anyway.) b) the failing file is an image. In that case it just disappears and you have to reload the page manually until you have all images. (alternatively, you can open a browser window/tab for every single image you want to have; IMHO this is no real solution either.) This is what IFRAME is for :) One iframe per image? IBTD. What's IBTD? I beg to differ? It works pretty well on the SSKvsCHK site :) mihi -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] connection problems
You appear to have set outputBandwidthLimit=250. That is not a good idea! On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 11:15:26AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having lot of trouble getting anywhere after installation. Can anyone tell me what the problem is from looking at this info? Node Version 0.5 Protocol Version STABLE-1.50 Build Number 5084 CVS Revision 1.90.2.50.2.112 Uptime 31 minutes Load Current routingTime 16ms Current messageSendTimeRequest911ms Pooled threads running jobs 10 (8.3%) Pooled threads which are idle 18 Current upstream bandwidth usage 234 bytes/second (93.7%) Current estimated load for QueryReject purposes 8% Current estimated load for rate limiting 117.2% Reason for load: Load due to thread limit = 8.3% Load due to routingTime = 1.6% = 16ms / 1000ms = overloadLow (100%) Load due to messageSendTimeRequest = 91.1% = 911ms / 1000ms = overloadLow (100%) Load due to output bandwidth limiting = 117.2% because outputBytes(14059) limit (12000 ) = outLimitCutoff (0.8) * outputBandwidthLimit (250) * 60 Load due to expected inbound transfers: 0% because: 436.5417028705223 req/hr * 0.0 (pTransfer) * 211740.0 bytes = 0 bytes/hr expected from current requests, but maxInputBytes/minute = 12000 (set input limit) * 60 * 1.1 = 792000 bytes/hr target Estimated external pSearchFailed (based only on QueryRejections due to load): 0.0 Current estimated requests per hour (based on last 10 mins): 1030.5744870593196 Current global quota (requests per hour): 37.394089166740095 Highest seen bytes downloaded in one minute: 200614 Current outgoing request rate 436.5417028705223 Current probability of a request succeeding 0% Current target (best case single node) probability of a request succeeding8.3% ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 07:45:46AM -0500, David Masover wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Madeline Brubaker wrote: | Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security | Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software. Yes, I'm a Linux nut. My attitude towards Windows boxes is: almost all Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to them, including my full name. Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD). Second most secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian. Practical solution: find a very old computer to use as a Linux firewall/router. Only firewall connections to your Windows boxes -- and this isn't even needed if you do NAT. Set this up as your Freenet machine, and you don't have to worry about firewalls -- just allow connections to fproxy from internal network. Run Firefox as a browser for Freenet. If it's a very old computer it may not be able to run Freenet adequately. I know most people aren't concerned enough about security to care that someone might get at their files. Most people who are, and most people who use Linux even, are not concerned enough about security to run Freenet. If you care enough to run Freenet, you should care enough to run more secure software elsewhere. If you run Internet Explorer, for instance, all that security goes out the window. Heh. Well, not everyone who runs Freenet is as paranoid as some of our users are. :) -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 12:15:09AM -0400, Michael R. Stork wrote: David Masover wrote: Michael R. Stork wrote: [...] | a hardware firewall and NAT. I wouldn't connect any PC direct to a | cable/DSL line. I would. A linux one. Or better, a BSD one. With daily updates. The firewall really wouldn't help all that much for me, although I do use NAT as an effective firewall for the internal network. U, no offense, but are you just being intentionally argumentative ? My post started out by saying that I agreed with the original poster that Linux was more secure then Windows, but that since most people aren't going to take the time to hook up a linux box between their primary PC and the internet, or use Linux as their primary OS, the alternative was to use a router and to NOT hook their PC directly to a cable/DSL connection. LRP makes it pretty easy. However a router is easier still. Of course it complicates Freenet and just about any other P2P having a NAT device... and if you get a router, get a good one, because the crap ones can't cope with Freenet... anyway the original poster probably isn't even subscribed and therefore can't see any of this :). Mike S. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux vs Windows was (Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall)
Because the solution he offered was actually reasonably practical. For a lot of people anyway. Maybe not trivial but certainly not hard, and probably not expensive. However we are straying dangerously close to advocacy here... On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 12:25:15AM -0400, Michael R. Stork wrote: David Masover wrote: | What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) Point taken. But Linux kernel vs Norton userspace? About the third time I've said so on this list, but I just turn off the _services_ that I don't use, and people get denied anyway, with no special firewall. What's the big deal, if I'm not running Windows? David I really don't think anyone is arguing that Linux isn't more secure then Windows, but you're discussing apples and oranges here. Most people are NOT using Linux, therefore the average discussion is, by default, going to be based on Windows unless they've specified otherwise. Jumping into these discussions and citing Linux examples is pretty much useless, especially when the thread was someone asking how to install/configure a piece of WINDOWS software on a WINDOWS based system. Shout the advantages of Linux as much as you'd like, in threads ON linux, but what is the point of trying to muddy up a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Linux, just because you feel it's a better system ? This would be like me going onto a board discussing how to do engine repair on a Honda and throwing out tips on how to fix a Dodge, in every thread ! Just my $.02 Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Norton Firewall
:) Good point. Personally I've never used Norton even on a Windows machine.. maybe somebody here has. On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 02:08:00AM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote: Now that we have let off the steam, did anyone ever really try to answer this nice person's questions to her satisfaction? Sorry about stirring up the hornet's nest, but I do get tired of some insisting everyone should throw away all their hard- and soft ware and get with the ONLY worthy system. Yeah, I like to play with my Linux installation, but when I just want to get some WORK done I use what I've found to does the job in this lifetime. Even though I have at least two machine running most of the time and one of them is seldom attached to the net and never networked with the one running Freenet, my infestation problems are rarely significant. Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to: 1) Find the IP address of my NAT or Firewall. The FAQ says to consult my manual but I can't find this information. 2) Configure your NAT or firewall to forward connections to the listenPort number that you noted in the previous step, to the same port on your computer. I tried some things that seemed to work but I just want to make sure I'm doing it exactly right and not letting more than I need to through my firewall. Thanks. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 05:46:24PM -0500, David Masover wrote: | I had an external firewall only that sat between the cable modem and the | house LAN, but there was a problem; someone else on the LAN got a worm | (they aren't as savvy) and I was running Windows without a firewall, and | with file sharing turned on. I lost a lot of time ;) Exactly why I don't run windows ;) This sort of sh*t would happen on Linux if more idiots ran Linux... | My point is; sometimes people run Windows. If anyone could explain how they | got their Norton Firewall running it would probably be helpful. Alright, point taken. I still would say: tell them first that they need to be more secure than Norton Firewall, and give them the resources (how-to's) to do it. Then tell them how to fix Norton Firewall, if they still want to do it that way. Agreed. | | |Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD). Second most |secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian. | | | FreeBSD above Debian Stable? :) Yes :P I HATE Debian Stable. Debian Testing is tolerable. Gentoo is God. (bicker, bicker, bicker) LOL. Snip distribution advocacy | This is great, but above some people's technical skills. Freenet is easy | enough for a novice to install, and we have many of them as our userbase to | an extent. And firefox isn't? Last I checked, freenet is a hell of a lot harder to install than firefox or thunderbird. Also, novices can usually follow step-by-step directions, and novices who want to use Freenet should probably be given a notice as to where to find such directions for how to secure themselves -- at least moderately. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Norton Firewall
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 03:01:24PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Find the IP address of my NAT or Firewall. The FAQ says to consult my manual but I can't find this information. check http://www.whatismyip.com/ it displays your ip from their POV which is the IP the freenet nodes have to use. if your ISP dispconnects you every-so-often and you therefore have a changing ip check out servides like http://www.no-ip.com/ or http://www.dyndns.com/ which will create a static name for your dynamic ip. then you have to update your freenet.ini/conf to use this NAME instead of a fixed ip value (i think my statement is correct) You will definitely need a dyndns account unless you happen to KNOW you have a static address. *IF* you are behind a router. But you probably aren't since you are using Norton. So don't worry about it, Freenet should detect the IP automatically. 2) Configure your NAT or firewall to forward connections to the listenPort number that you noted in the previous step, to the same port on your computer. I tried some things that seemed to work but I just want to make sure I'm doing it exactly right and not letting more than I need to through my firewall. check the NAT's documentation about port forwarding. you have to forward external_ip:freenet_port to internal_ip:freenet_port where external_ip is the one whatismyip.com gave you and internal_ip is the ip of your computer running freenet from within the LAN, freenet_port is the listenport= value from freenet.ini/conf You are probably not using a NAT so you don't need port forwarding. You DO need to configure Norton to allow incoming connections on the listenPort (check your freenet.ini for a line like listenPort=12345). HTH -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
I would respond to this, but this is DEFINITELY getting off-topic. Please take distribution/OS advocacy to chat. On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 06:04:59PM -0500, David Masover wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nicholas Sturm wrote: | Dear | |Madeline Brubaker: | | | Please excuse the nuts around here that seem to be as much of a | problem as Apple lovers once were. Ooh! Ooh! I smell a rant! Please excuse my response to being called a nut. | I don't particularly like some of Window's creations, but even though | Linus releases are getting slowly more usable for ordinary people, | they still do not have enough clones of the most desirable applictions Name some you'd miss. I'll bet money that there are enough clones. As sarcastic and annoyed as I sound, I'm usually a nice person, and I promise I'll find an option that works. And do remember what Linus is releasing. Linus releases the kernel. The windows equivalent can probably be found somewhere like C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\KERNEL.DLL. Go tell me how useful for ordenary people that file strikes you. Or do you mean the applications that run on top of Linux? I guess that's a pretty safe assumption. But Linus didn't touch those, and most run as easily on BSD, Solaris, OS X, and even Windows. | to make them useful to most of us that are not just playing with | computers. My turn for a one-sided rant. I hope I seem a bit more informed. I suppose my parents are not ordinary people. Maybe my brother isn't ordinary either. Or my boss. And yet, they all have the unusual ability to use a Linux computer without just playing with it. Oh, and let's not forget: Apache was developed on Linux, and later ported to Windows. Apache is the most popular web server on the planet. ~ But I guess ordinary people never run their own web sites. What about Sendmail? Admittedly, I don't use it -- I use qmail, one of 3 or 4 MTA options for Linux. Sendmail is, however, the most popular MTA, period. But ordinary people obviously don't run mail servers. The mere thought! Ooh, and let's not forget the things that have been done better. Do ordinary people chat, or do instant messaging? I have gaim, a very small, very fast program that does 4-5 different IM protocols in one program, sharing one buddy list. And, of course, ordinary people might want to write code for pay. Or play games. Or surf the Internet. Or send email. I can do all that on Linux. And by the way, how many ordinary people use Freenet? As an honest question, what is it that you ordinary people can't do on Linux? Or OS X? Or BSD? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4vGngHNmZLgCUhAQIahg/7BfcUvwt7PF2UwGZarxYbAz5EqTQMv5jP FNbPJ/BJ0mKPx1RXtw51UeUIOViSzJmYg2YVZIPyVAF2NgQF+/O9rCOtfjHvinjU +IGU+qX6iH4+rXtZGKLDW0cqiKYyoNERm3wl0kyI+/DqG8AE1pxTMqSuyeny3ssf DvPNKCzq//GPRBZq2T9lj8d2yb55vArgsfe27onUMczsRfArhyZZpQNFu/Gz10Wq +F7EHdUNix/3QoUuHvBJA7+wgscFQuMRt/32UdOv1N3j/mMa5F+VUAdgnwwSNLjC BbKNJFbVS88sCQhRLQjd8Y3xcgpRdpi3L3WvAxINlXQNbzdQsGPm41kEA7Ybm3jj CqBQz9dZ/yEFgtHPdxjuWJL6KmURB5LXfWPBrs3zaqrzccC7VeVBXPqhIFVw0jM6 yMn0SANA686UQTLvXyZIjNINeTm9ytm+K+4lc37cDb7KG/XO/1PKnEiLDoEPtRAe OLDgdi9vJMIb2Tt5cyZq6tRsJ9LDHq7XHJeWGFbGl3kbB7tH7pSNGNUzvYEpJumC GGLsBpMhHzCVZ95cglXxDyfEwNUIwe9SSFHFlypoETBUKsGy17foofRj6Bz9J1Tr rr7cmBU7A43+Y8Bkl2lPZgs00flhRZBoYCnX/JB4NhzIf/f1v6vpWTyTqNlzjWl2 Ag0DLc0RGe4= =rfpi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Norton Firewall
If you are just using NIS and connecting directly to the DSL modem/cable modem, then you just need to tell NIS to allow incoming connections on the listenPort... you probably don't need to set ipAddress. And if you do, on a dynamic DNS system, it probably would be a bad idea anyway. On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 11:14:46PM -0400, Michael R. Stork wrote: Madeline Brubaker wrote: Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to: 1) Find the IP address of my NAT or Firewall. The FAQ says to consult my manual but I can't find this information. It depends on whether or not you're using a router. If you aren't, then go to a command prompt (DOS prompt) and type IPconfig. (this is the command for XP, it'll be slightly different under different OS) This will give you the IP of your computer. If you are, go to the router console, this will usually involve opening your browser and entering the URL of the router, typically 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1. If you've added a password, you'll be prompted for it. Once you're in the console, look for a tab that says Status. Look under the WAN heading for the IP address. This will be your broadcast IP, what's seen by the internet, and that's what you need to enter. The LAN IP will just be the local IP of your PC within your own little network, and will be something similiar to the router's URL (192.168.1.xxx) or (192.168.0.xxx). This IP is only important for when you configure the router or firewall port to pass any requests for your freenet port to the PC that's hosting the node. Hope this helps. Feel free to e-mail me direct if you need further assistance. Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] How to speed up Java
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 11:29:53PM +0200, Troed S?ngberg wrote: Saw this on /. - thought it might interest someone. Especially the part about using the server JVM instead of client JVM when speed is an issue (i.e, if you have plenty of ram but you feel Freenet use too much CPU) My experience is that the -server VM is rather buggy... generates spontaneous NPEs with no trace... http://www3.sys-con.com/java/rotate2.cfm -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] optimum settings
The defaults should work reasonably well. Major possible issues: * IF you are NATted, you will need to set ipAddress. * You probably want to set outputBytes (the output bandwidth limit per second, this is not entirely accurate, I recommend setting it to half your link or less, so for a DSL line with 1024kbps down and 256kbps up, you should set it to 16000). * You definitely want to set storeSize. This depends on how much free space you have. For example one of my nodes has storeSize=18G The other settings shouldn't need to be messed with. On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 07:48:25AM -0700, miguel wrote: Could Toad or Ian or someone out there supply us with some config file settings that will make Freenet run optimally(on most machines) without us having to do experiment after time-consuming experiment until we eventually(or not) discover which settings are best. And please, just some good, tried basics withour getting into well, depending on your cpu this, or your memory that, and so on Basics please. Help, please. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Error - unable to recover from out of memory
What build of Freenet? How much memory in the machine? Did you try to reduce the memory limit? Are you running on Windows? If you are running on *nix, please send your start-freenet.sh .. if you are running on Windows, there's an equivalent issue with direct memory settings but I don't know what it would be... On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 10:44:40AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote: Submitted in the hope it may be of some help/interest. Please advise if you require more information: 11/06/2004 09:33:55 (freenet.transport.tcpConnection, Finalizer, NORMAL): finalized without being closed!tcp/connection: 213.156.52.103:1892local,[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/2004 09:34:01 (freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop, interface thread, ERROR): Attempted to recover from OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError Attempted to recover from OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError 11/06/2004 09:59:59 (freenet.transport.tcpConnection, Finalizer, NORMAL): finalized without being closed!tcp/connection: 213.156.52.121:4924local,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Attempted to recover from OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError 11/06/2004 10:00:03 (freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop, interface thread, ERROR): Attempted to recover from OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError 11/06/2004 10:02:42 (freenet.transport.tcpConnection, Finalizer, NORMAL): finalized without being closed!tcp/connection: 12.215.92.202:63277local,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Attempted to recover from OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError and so on for the next 12 hours... ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Install failed
I can get it easily enough. Would you like me to email you seednodes.ref? I could bzip2 it, if you have bzip2 to decompress it, to save space (it'll still be ~ 2MB...). On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 09:59:10AM +0200, Mathieu Benoit wrote: Dear all, I'm not able to connect to any freenet servers to download seednodes.ref. I've got the following message: Downloading seednodes.ref from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref ... Download of seednodes.ref failed: connecting to host Is there any problem with the servers, or it's my firewall which doesn't allow me to connect to this site? Thanks for your answers. Mat -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] permanent node Q's
How is your node now? What did you set the ipAddress to? It needs to be the external IP address of your router... if it's on a dynamic IP, the best way to do this is with dyndns... On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 06:24:28PM +, runya sairon wrote: i run my T1 ( win xp ) behind a DI-604 router/firewall. intially freenet works fine in a transient node, getting me speed up to 500kb's, 125 kb's on average. im not complaining but then i began to think, what if my firewall is keeping me from unprecedented speeds? so i did the configuration within my firewall settings, and the freenet.ini file , being sure to remove the % sign before the IP address. after doing so, freenet connected fine, but my connection speed dropped down to 100kb's. obviously not better if no change at all. so then i hear that if i run a permanent node i can get better speeds ( and better anonymitity? ). to get to my point, i cant figure out how to make my computer a permanent node. either configuration ( defualt, router ) hasnt enabled permanent node, so what do i do now to become one? also, does an increased number of splitfile threads mean more efficient downloading? thanks. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] freenet on Mac OS X 10.3.3
I can add a special case to make this work. But I need the output of the uname command on OS/X. On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 02:12:49AM +, Paul wrote: Hi. I have successfully run freenet on Mac OS X for some time. I have downloaded installed the latest stable, but when I attempt to start freenet, here is the result: iMac:~/freenet paul$ sh ./start-freenet.sh Detected freenet-ext.jar Detected freenet.jar Sun java detected. Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main Done iMac:~/freenet paul$ Unrecognized VM option 'MaxDirectMemorySize=128m' Could not create the Java virtual machine. iMac:~/freenet paul$ If it helps, here is the result of: java -version: iMac:~/freenet paul$ java -version java version 1.4.2_03 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_03-117.1) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-34, mixed mode) Could anyone shed light on the problem? Thanks! ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Datastore loses keys on restart
Does this still happen? I think it was caused by tempfile leaks which hopefully are fixed now... On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:54:28AM -0400, Daves Lists wrote: My node was up for 1 day 10 hours when I restarted it to increase the thread limit. After the restart I lost about 6000 keys. My datastore is set to 50 gigs and is no where near full. Below are the stats before and after. Were those just temporary keys that were deleted after the restart?? I'm running 5082 on WinXP pro. Dave Histogram of keys in in fred's data store These are the keys to the data in your node's local cache (DataStore) May 18, 2004 1:46:42 AM keys: 49543 scale factor: 0.01990668661892414 (This is used to keep lines 64 characters) Histogram of keys in in fred's data store These are the keys to the data in your node's local cache (DataStore) May 18, 2004 1:48:23 AM keys: 43176 scale factor: 0.022848982363939285 (This is used to keep lines 64 characters) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] messageSendTimeRequest
Hi! On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 12:33:07PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for my late reply I was out of town most of last week. The newest build seems to have fix the problem with it almost always being overloaded, but it still is getting overloaded by this by a lot. It will get overloaded stay that way for about 5 mins then fall below the threshold and start accepting connections again for about 5 mins till it shoots back up and is overloaded again and restarts the cycle. What's your outputBandwidth set to? It's possible this is simply a matter of link saturation? Its been up for 10.5 hours, I had to copy the info out piece by piece to get it so sorry if it looks different (the firewall here doesn't like port so I have to use a telnet prompt to get to my machine and dump the info with a program I wrote...) Current routingTime: 0ms Current messageSendTimeRequest: 4741ms Pooled threads running jobs: 71 (47.3%) Pooled threads which are idle:14 Reason for refusing connections: avgMessageSendTimeRequest(4741.311) successfulSendTimeCutoff(3000.000) Current estimated load for QueryReject purposes: 47% Current estimated load for rate limiting: 237% Reason for load: Load due to thread limit:47.3% Load due to routingTime: 3.3% = 100ms / 3000ms = overloadLow (100%) Load due to messageSendTimeRequest: 237% = 4741ms / 2000ms overloadLow (100%) Load due to expected inbound transfers: 3.4% because 143028.4384083343 req/hr * 0.001058914944006 (pTransfer) * 291384.0 bytes = 44131549 bytes/hr maxInputBytes/minute = 19509360 (max observed bytes per minute) * 60 * 1.1 = 1287617760 bytes/hr target Estimated external pSearchFailed (based only on QueryRejections due to load): 0.499004276735748 Current estimated requests per hour (based on last 10 mins): 42216.705203521495 Current global quota (requests per hour): 40460.32455491089 Highest seen bytes downloaded in one minute: 19509360 Current outgoing request rate:143028.4384083343 Current probability of a request succeeding: 0.4% Current target (best case single node) probability of a request succeeding: 6.5% -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 5:59 PM To: Findley, Matthew; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [freenet-support] messageSendTimeRequest Importance: Low On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 01:13:01PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My node is almost constantly overloaded because messageSendTimeRequest exceeds successfulSendTimeCutoff by a significant amount. The messageSendTimeRequest likes to hang around 4000ms. Now I've observed that the messageSendTimeRequest seems to be tied the amount of data waiting to be transferred so I've tried to tweak the settings to reduce the amount of data that is going out of my node. Reducing the number of max connections, reducing the chance of cache, and other little things. But they don't seem to be able to bring it down. The only thing I can figure is that my node just looks too good to pass up (I have a really good upstream), and the other nodes just really like to request from my node and end up overloading me. So is there anything I can do to reduce the load? Okay, this is wierd. You running stable, I assume? Can you send me the output of your General infolet? http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/performance/general How long has the node been running? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] British Telecom starting mass censorship of Web sites
My reply is on tech. That is the more appropriate forum. Or perhaps even chat. On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 07:00:01PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: First they came for the child porn sites ... http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1232422,00.html Discussion on http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/04/06/06/132200.shtml Blocking connections to Freenet nodes will be only a matter of time, so what should we do to prevent them from getting on the blacklists? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] trouble getting any information
How long has the node been up? Go to advanced mode on the web interface. What is the error message now? It will be more detailed. How many incoming connections do you have? Show me the top few lines of the following page: http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodestatus/nodestatus.html As the warning on the homepage and the download page says, freenet cannot deliver instant gratification, because of the way it learns about the network... but if you give me some of the above info I may be able to help you. On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 12:52:10PM -0500, Jeff Gibson wrote: I recently downloaded freenet. I have a firewall and set the ipaddress in the config file to the address my ISP gave the firewall/router. I also set it up to forward the listeningPort to my PC running freenet. I am a programmer that writes networking software so these things aren't exactly tough for me. Still I keep getting this message - The request couldn't even make it off of your node. Try again, perhaps with the GPL to help your node learn about others. The publicly available seed nodes have been very busy lately. If possible try to get a friend to give you a reference to their node instead. Any ideas? ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Bad request URI???
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:41:57AM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote: Hi, I have just tried to insert a file into the network, running stable build 5084. After the successful insertion, I used the URI: freenet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to request the file just inserted on the main web interface page, but it reported that this was a 'bad URI'. Have I done anything wrong?? Yes. The CHK format uses CHK@hash,decrypt key. The hash is not the whole file hash but a rolling hash using an algorithm I could look up.. and it's the hash of the encrypted content for privacy reasons. The decryption key is related to the hash of the original content... -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] data store
On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 06:06:46AM -0500, Robert Greenage wrote: is there a problem if my nodes data store reaches 100% ? No. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Sourceforge problems
There are some minor technical issues happening: Sourceforge appears to be down: CVS is not working, at least not from my PC. Cannot connect to host. Interestingly, the web site is still up. The seednodes.ref (stable seednodes) file consists of one node: physical.tcp=82.32.16.59:49561 ... End Guess whose node that is? That is my stable node. It's rather slow because I use it for debugging and therefore have quite heavy logLevel and logLevelDetail... and I run an unstable node simultaneously (in fact, quite often, I turn the stable node off and only run the unstable). You can obtain current seednodes from http://wooledge.org/~greg/noderefs.txt.bz2 (bzip2 -dc it, then rename to seednodes.ref). Please be gentle as greycat's server above has only 256kbps uplink... Just keeping people informed. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] How to set ulimit -Hn 65536 on a Debian machine?
/etc/security/limits ? On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 12:15:28AM +, tripolar wrote: I have read Ed's tips below though I am still at a loss as how to add ulimit stuff to /etc/profile and /etc/initscript here is the path to java /usr/lib/j2re1.4-sun/bin/java and the path for freenet is /home/freenet/freenet/./start-freenet.sh Here is /etc/profile # /etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for the Bourne shell (sh(1)) # and Bourne compatible shells (bash(1), ksh(1), ash(1), ...). PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games if [ $PS1 ]; then if [ $BASH ]; then PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w\$ ' else if [ `id -u` -eq 0 ]; then PS1='# ' else PS1='$ ' fi fi fi export PATH #export CLASSPATH=.:/usr/local/j2re1.4.2_04/lib:/usr/local/j2re1.4.2_04/lib #export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/j2re1.4.2_04 #export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/j2re1.4.2_04/bin umask 022 I have read man initscript and still left scratching my head?? Any help would be appreciated P.S.- Sorry about tagging this problem on to a different thread about searching archives. Didnt realise the ooops until after hitting the send button. Caught a java.io.IOException: Too many open files, LSL.processConnections failing java.io.IOException: Too many open files [...] When I got this (on Sun 1.4.1_02) I looked with lsof and found 1024 open file descriptors. On redhat 9 I put fs.file-max = 65536 in /etc/syscntrl.conf... I found users still have ulimit -u showing max files 1024, and that they can't increase it. After googling a bit, I discovered two approaches (I fixed both) 1) Change /etc/profile to add ulimit -Hn 65536 2) Create /etc/initscript as described in man initscript, including ulimit -Hn 65536 Using this approach, I also had to add ulimit -n 65536 to start-freenet.sh, since I don't want to give every process a huge default file descriptor limit. -- Ed Huff ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Permanent node default
All nodes, whether transient or not, now accept queries and process them for other nodes. It is unclear whether transient actually means anything, we will probably remove it soon. On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 07:33:16AM +, Cossack wrote: Would it be advantageous to make freenet default to a transient node seeing as most new users are transients. Or even have a dialog box asking them of their node type during installation. If you wanted to be really thorough have the freenet client log if it is online at least 100 hours per week and switch it back to a transient node if it isn't, or permanent node if it is. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Stable build 5084
Freenet stable build 5084 is now available. Please upgrade ASAP, if you are running a stable branch node (if you're not, you'll know). You can do this by running the update.sh script on POSIX like systems such as Linux or MacOS/X (stop the node first, then update it, then start it), or on Windows, you can run the update option on the menu, if there is one, or on any platform, stop the node, download http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.jar over your existing freenet.jar, and then start the node up again. Two changes only in this build: * Fix a NullPointerException that prevented the node from starting up sometimes if it had bad seednodes. * Make 5083 mandatory. The reason for the stable network's recent bad performance is probably because the network consists of many 5083 nodes and many 5082 nodes. Because 5083 makes some fairly drastic changes to how HTL is used (and some routing changes), the two builds don't get along very well with one another. We can improve the situation by making 5083 mandatory. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] 5083/5084 errata
If you downloaded 5083 or 5084 recently, for a POSIX-like platform such as Linux or MacOS/X, if you downloaded the tgz, rather than upgrading an existing node, or if you built from CVS, you may have got an incorrect update.sh. It accidentally slipped in in 5083 and has now been corrected. It would upgrade your stable branch node to unstable - both the jar and the seednodes. Stable branch nodes currently have build numbers beginning with 5; unstable branch nodes have build numbers beginning with 6. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Error messages- java.io.IOException: Too many open files
Hmmm. What are you running this on? If unix, what's your ulimit -n ? On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:10:58PM +, tripolar wrote: java.io.IOException: Too many open files at sun.nio.ch.ServerSocketChannelImpl.accept0(Native Method) at sun.nio.ch.ServerSocketChannelImpl.accept(Unknown Source) at freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop.processConnections(ListenSelectorLoop.java:107) at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:836) at freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop.run(ListenSelectorLoop.java:149) at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) java.lang.Exception at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:837) at freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop.run(ListenSelectorLoop.java:149) at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) Caught a java.io.IOException: Too many open files, LSL.processConnections failing Does this error message help to figure out the problem or do you need to see any logs? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Error messages- java.io.IOException: Too many open files
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:46:10PM +, tripolar wrote: I am running Debian-sid I am currently trying to find my ulimit -n ?? Any clues? Thanks Just type it at a command line. Toad wrote: Hmmm. What are you running this on? If unix, what's your ulimit -n ? On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:10:58PM +, tripolar wrote: java.io.IOException: Too many open files at sun.nio.ch.ServerSocketChannelImpl.accept0(Native Method) at sun.nio.ch.ServerSocketChannelImpl.accept(Unknown Source) at freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop.processConnections(ListenSelectorLoop.java:107) at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:836) at freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop.run(ListenSelectorLoop.java:149) at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) java.lang.Exception at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:837) at freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop.run(ListenSelectorLoop.java:149) at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) Caught a java.io.IOException: Too many open files, LSL.processConnections failing Does this error message help to figure out the problem or do you need to see any logs? ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Request for help: NullPointerException on startup
Hi. Some users have been reporting NullPointerException's on startup of their stable nodes. I have a possible fix, but I'd like to test this before merging it to stable. If you have this problem please mail me and I'll send you a jar to test. Include which branch you are running. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Host access problem
Woah. Oh well, what do you expect from the Church of Scientology? On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 12:55:14PM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote: Having found that I was using Mozilla 1.6 for most browsing, I allowed it to become the default browser with EarthLink TotalAccess. Before that I'd had Internet Browser as the default and simply exited it before calling Mozilla for Freenet use. Apparently Mozilla 1.6 (at least when installed as the default Browser) is unable to send proper orders to get downloads of Freenet files from the 'host.' By cancelling all copies of Mozilla browser (it is slow to load and often has an extra copy or more in memory) and activating I.E. I was able to get the latest Freenet to download using the Win-installer of Freenet. Hope I can remember this problem (and how to get around it) in a week. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Host access problem
On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 07:52:20PM +0100, Toad wrote: Woah. Oh well, what do you expect from the Church of Scientology? I heard they own Earthlink, that all. If they don't, I apologize for spreading malicious rumours. On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 12:55:14PM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote: Having found that I was using Mozilla 1.6 for most browsing, I allowed it to become the default browser with EarthLink TotalAccess. Before that I'd had Internet Browser as the default and simply exited it before calling Mozilla for Freenet use. Apparently Mozilla 1.6 (at least when installed as the default Browser) is unable to send proper orders to get downloads of Freenet files from the 'host.' By cancelling all copies of Mozilla browser (it is slow to load and often has an extra copy or more in memory) and activating I.E. I was able to get the latest Freenet to download using the Win-installer of Freenet. Hope I can remember this problem (and how to get around it) in a week. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
Woah. We have MUCH less bandwidth in the UK. :| On Sat, May 29, 2004 at 10:13:04AM +0200, Troed S?ngberg wrote: On Fri, 28 May 2004 18:39:14 -0400, Thomas Guyot-Sionnest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's either not that speed, or not DSL! ADSL is 1Mbit up, 8Mbit down; SDSL is a little faster for upload, but slower for download (up=down)... Even a dedicated T1 is not that fast, around 50Mbps! Wrong list for this discussion, I just want to point out that Japan Europe USA when it comes to tech. I'm on 8/1 ADSL - which in a few weeks time is going to be 13/13 or maybe 26/26 VDSL. I have no doubts that there is VDSL available in Japan that does at least 50Mbit/s. I _do_ however agree that the quoted 100/100 most probably is fiber/ethernet. We have that here too, it's quite common in flats you own yourself in the big cities. I'm in Sweden. If you want cool tech - move out of the US. (Flames won't be answered, this IS the wrong forum) ___/ _/ -- http://troed.se - controversial views or common sense? ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Stable build 5083
Freenet stable build 5083 is now available. All stable branch users should upgrade. This build will be made mandatory in the fairly near future, so it is a good idea to upgrade soon. If you don't know which branch you're on you're probably running stable. If on linux, MacOS/X, or other POSIX like system, use the scripts: ./stop-freenet.sh ./update.sh ./start.sh If on Windows, use the update link on the start menu, or freenet-webinstall.exe. On any OS, you can shut down the node and fetch the new jar from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.jar which you can then copy over your existing freenet.jar, and then restart the node. Changes include: * 5082 is made mandatory. 5083 will be made mandatory by the next stable build, because of the major changes (especially the next item). The overwhelming majority of seednodes run 5082 now, so hopefully this won't be too big a problem. * maxHopsToLive is now 20, and HTL is used slightly differently. * Use a completely different algorithm for the probability running averages in NG Routing. The old one was inaccurate and alchemical. * Use different algorithms for smoothing data and estimating request rates for rate limiting. This should eliminate (or greatly reduce) the oscillations in received queries that we have seen recently on both networks. It should also make rate limiting more accurate and stable. * Fix some major bugs, for example: We were not calling the callbacks on expired messages. Now we do, with a separate thread for it. * Open more connections simultaneously on startup. Should speed up the process of nodes getting wired into the network on startup. * Nodes that are limited by threads (usually these are high bandwidth nodes) should behave better (reject less queries and connections). * Show more detail on the per node routing table pages linked from the routing table page. * Improve input bandwidth predicting load estimator: assume that our input bandwidth is at least equal to our output limit. * New experimental option doReserveBandwidthForSuccess, which throttles bandwidth usage to try to improve routing success. Feel free to experiment with this if you have some idea what you are doing; it WILL result in your node processing fewer queries and less traffic however. * Various optimizations and locking improvements. * Improve renaming code in datastore. * Fix on-the-fly update of maxOpenConnectionsNewbieFraction. * logDetail renamed to logLevelDetail in freenet.client.cli.Main * Add some RFC3330 local/invalid/LAN/testing addresses to the node's IP validation code. This affects which connections are throttled (if a connection is from a LAN address, it shouldn't be throttled), and whether the node accepts a detected IP address. * New diagnostics: receivedTransferSize, sentTransferFailureSize, sentTransferSuccessSize. * Refactoring, removal of dead or useless code, logging changes, etc etc. Full changes are available from the CVS list or from browsing the CVS repository via our web site. You may see the following message after starting a 5083 node, the first time: Caught java.io.IOException: Invalid magic 1072614716 should be 17025 - format change? This is due to the changes to routing, which incompatibly changed the routing table format. Your routing table's estimators will therefore be reset. This message should only happen the first time you start the node after upgrading. If it happens after that, something is wrong. The seednodes estimator format also changed, so when reseeding you may see messages like: Caught freenet.node.rt.EstimatorFormatException: Wrong impl: SelfAdjustingDecayingRunningAverage reading tcp/freenetfarm.dnsalias.com:35985, sessions=1, presentations=3, ID=DSA(b078 8b64 9e69 0302 b2e2 53c6 7610 dbd1 1641 5580), version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5079 from FieldSet :( This just means that the seednodes format has changed. It will still use the nodes, hopefully, but it won't use the estimators. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet on NetBSD 1.6 (old java version)
A 1.4 JVM is an absolute requirement, because we use NIO. Sorry. Kaffe or GCJ might run on NetBSD, however, right now the NIO doesn't work on that either (bugs, being worked on, but can't give you a schedule). On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 02:23:46AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I recently got my broadband connection, and of course I want to run Freenet, but I ran into some problems. Summary: I have/run NetBSD 1.6. There is a sun-java 1.4 package, but it will only install under NetBSD-current. Freenet doesn't seem to like 1.3.1.10. Sun java detected. 1.3.1_10 Old version of java detected. Please install a 1.4.x JVM. So, it seems my options are: 1. Upgrade to NetBSD-current (but I really prefer the release versions) 2. Wait for NetBSD 2.0 (any time now..) and hope 1.4* will work. 3. Try to get 1.4 to install on NetBSD-1.6 (Lots of work, probably) ..unless Freenet can run on a 1.3 JVM. Can it? The project main webpage says We have experienced best results with Sun's Java Runtime Environment (versions 1.4.1 and later), which would seem to indicate that Sun's Java Runtime Environment (versions 1.4.1 and later) is not an absolute requirement. But I doubt I'd be *that* lucky.. Any help appreciated. Magnus ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] freenet on Mac OS X 10.3.3
Does it start anyway? On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 02:12:49AM +, Paul wrote: Hi. I have successfully run freenet on Mac OS X for some time. I have downloaded installed the latest stable, but when I attempt to start freenet, here is the result: iMac:~/freenet paul$ sh ./start-freenet.sh Detected freenet-ext.jar Detected freenet.jar Sun java detected. Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main Done iMac:~/freenet paul$ Unrecognized VM option 'MaxDirectMemorySize=128m' Could not create the Java virtual machine. iMac:~/freenet paul$ If it helps, here is the result of: java -version: iMac:~/freenet paul$ java -version java version 1.4.2_03 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_03-117.1) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-34, mixed mode) Could anyone shed light on the problem? Thanks! ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] messageSendTimeRequest
On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 01:13:01PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My node is almost constantly overloaded because messageSendTimeRequest exceeds successfulSendTimeCutoff by a significant amount. The messageSendTimeRequest likes to hang around 4000ms. Now I've observed that the messageSendTimeRequest seems to be tied the amount of data waiting to be transferred so I've tried to tweak the settings to reduce the amount of data that is going out of my node. Reducing the number of max connections, reducing the chance of cache, and other little things. But they don't seem to be able to bring it down. The only thing I can figure is that my node just looks too good to pass up (I have a really good upstream), and the other nodes just really like to request from my node and end up overloading me. So is there anything I can do to reduce the load? Okay, this is wierd. You running stable, I assume? Can you send me the output of your General infolet? http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/performance/general How long has the node been running? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 09:15:25AM +0200, Garb wrote: Conrad Sabatier wrote: I find Java's memory requirements to be totally unreasonable, its performance lackluster, and I've finally come to the conclusion that it was indeed a poor choice of language in which to implement a project of this size and complexity. As far as I see it, freenet is very much a project under development at the time, so therefore overall functionality and ease of coding should naturally take precedence over tweaking and local optimization on specific platforms. Conrad Sabatiers point is certainly valid enough. A little while back I took my linux box down for a 256MB memory update. When I started it back up, I was genuinely surprised over the substantial gain in speed and responsiveness I got from a measely 256MB upgrade - until I realized that I hadnt started freenet yet. When I did, performance went down the drain right away. Freenet's memory usage has already been improved substantially over where it was 6 or 12 months ago. However, as I have said over and over, and especially in the light of Moore's Law (which will likely continue for at least the next five years): RAM is cheap. Working software is expensive (the currency is man years). Freedom is *REALLY* expensive (the currency is human blood). I would imagine that freenet will eventually reach a point in its development cycle where both the networking protocol and the API are pretty fixed and no longer likely to undergo major changes. And at this time, the focus of the project should be switched to reduction of the system footprint and increasing the efficiency of execution on different platforms. Perhaps, perhaps not. I expect Freenet to continue to innovate the core platform for many years to come. I also imagine that freenet, once mature, will be a natural part of most major linux distros as one of the essentail networks that is supported out of the box - but that will not be in the form of a java app. Perhaps. And I don't see what Java has to do with it. Currently Freenet only works on the Sun JVM. In the future it will work with Kaffe, GCJ and all the Classpath-based free JVMs. GCJ will mean that it can be shipped as a standalone binary. Java is a great prototyping tool for the developers and programmers, but it is also the cause of many problems for the users. In fact I would estimate that 90% of the times that I have been called upon to assist someone in getting freenet to run, the difficulties have been caused by java rather than freenet itself. That has NOT been my experience. And it IS bloated and it DOES take up a lot of ressources - a fact that I see mentioned often in the mailing lists. I can imagine that this is also frustrating for the developers to read, since they cant do much about it - this is mainly in the hands of Sun Micro Systems... Java is a source of memory bloat. So is Freenet's architecture and bugs. We try to fix actual leaks. Sometimes we try to improve overall memory/CPU usage for its own sake. But see above. We are not writing a word processor here. We are writing something new. In all likelihood it will be several years before Freenet works as well as we'd like it to. There is no point rewriting it in assembly language; we need to get it WORKING, and that means the network protocol, and so on. Regards, J -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[5]: [freenet-support] First freenet start, first freenet bugs
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 04:49:30PM +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote: But if I understand, Freenet can't work on a network without fixed IP or dns server ? Freenet can't work with an internal IP and port redirection from the external IP so no way to go throw a firewall ? Lot of constraint for trying to make a free network with everyone. Freenet works fine with ports forwarded from the firewall, but it doesn't use uPNP or anything, so you need to manually forward the port. Do any other major apps? Does Apache? Does Kazaa? I honestly don't know in the latter case, if somebody does know, I'd like to hear from them. But what I heard was that UPNP was only slightly standardized and you'll end up writing custom code for every router... You do need to keep the port number the same between the firewall and host. I know, I've done it. These days I run it on my firewall machine - small network, only that machine stays on 24/7 :P I am force to make a little program who will modify the freenet.ini for changing the IP and unloading and reloading Freenet? I wonder why so basic things are not implement in Freenet. Or use a service such as dyndns.org and put your hostname in your freenet.ini. Freenet has routines to check for IP changes (I've disabled them - static IP), so it should work pretty well once it's established, but before that it needs to announce an IP and port to connect to over the network so people start connecting to it. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] First freenet start, first freenet bugs
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 05:53:51AM +0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have re download the seednode after thinking freenet was frozen for 5 minutes because no progress bar working (another bug). What exactly happened? You tried to access a freenet site and it took more than 5 minutes to fetch it? Or what? I have access to freenet web page now. Thanks for the help. But if I understand, Freenet can't work on a network without fixed IP or dns server ? It can detect the IP address if it is directly connected to the network. It is quite important (although not strictly essential with bidi routing) for it to know its own IP address and we have not yet implemented on-network IP detection. Freenet can't work with an internal IP and port redirection from the external IP so no way to go throw a firewall ? As I said above, it is technically possible to run it behind a firewall with only outgoing connections. But it will not run very well in that case - certainly it will take more time for it to find its feet. Lot of constraint for trying to make a free network with everyone. I am force to make a little program who will modify the freenet.ini for changing the IP and unloading and reloading Freenet? I wonder why so basic things are not implement in Freenet. How do we find it? How do you find it? You ask an external server, right? We have no central server so we would have to ask other nodes, and because we can't necessarily trust them, we'd have to verify that several nodes give the same address. We haven't got around to implementing this yet. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] First freenet start, first freenet bugs
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 09:27:07PM +0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said above, it is technically possible to run it behind a firewall ok so I have put an automatic update of dns name in my internal Dns server which point to my external IP (externalIP.server.network) and put it in the freenet.ini. It needs to be valid from the OUTSIDE as well. Just get a dyndns account, unless you want to maintain a real DNS server. I wish freenet is able to do a simple nslookup for retrieve the external IP now ? It seems to work but there is so much error in the log that I wonder if it's really a stable version I have. Most users use dyndns so if tomorrow dyndns stop his service so we can say 50% of the freenet network will be dead ? You talk about a decentralized network so if each people use the same dns servers it means centralized network. Yeah, I know. That's why we need to have on-network detection. But it's not quite coded yet. Freenet is slow (slow as a wounded rabbit ?), more slow than the time I had an internet connection with a 28.8k modem. I am thinking to some people who can't have a DSL or Cable connection, they can really use freenet ?! Partly because your node isn't working well. Partly because it's a new node (they learn from experience). with only outgoing connections. But it will not run very well in that case - certainly it will take more time for it to find its feet. Lot of constraint for trying to make a free network with everyone. I am force to make a little program who will modify the freenet.ini for changing the IP and unloading and reloading Freenet? I wonder why so basic things are not implement in Freenet. How do we find it? How do you find it? You ask an external server, right? We have no central server so we would have to ask other nodes, and because we can't necessarily trust them, we'd have to verify that several nodes give the same address. We haven't got around to implementing this yet. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[5]: [freenet-support] First freenet start, first freenet bugs
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 01:37:24PM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote: Below Or use a service such as dyndns.org and put your hostname in your freenet.ini. Freenet has routines to check for IP changes (I've disabled them - static IP), so it should work pretty well once it's established, but before that it needs to announce an IP and port to connect to over the network so people start connecting to it. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ You bring up an interesting point. I've had a dyndns program running for several months (whether it remains essential I have no idea as one message months ago said the code to accomplish the same things was being written into freenet). Recently I have been receiving boot time notices telling me to upgrade to the latest version, but it has been so long since I installed it that downloading the new simply adds to my store of interesting binaries, but I don't seem to see the old being replaced as I continue to get the messages. Anyone know how to replace old with new?? Messages from dyndns or from Freenet? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 11:34:18AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote: Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:04:53AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote: Not terribly well, because of high level bandwidth limiting. The node needs to know how much bandwidth is available to estimate how much is being used and therefore how many queries to allow. With respect this seems insufficiently good enough for the real world nature in which a node will run. People will want (I want) Freenet to notice that its share of bandwidth has been dropped and to react accordingly. How, exactly? We need to know what our target is in order to manage bandwidth usage effectively and especially in order to manage the number of trailer transfers and requests. Current messageSendTimeRequest seems a good measure of that. That is taken into account by rate limiting, and hence affects the number of queries accepted, and thus the bandwidth usage (in a similar way to high level bandwidth limiting). So I naively ask can't we mroe dynamically adjust bandwidth caps down when we see messageSendTimeRequest shoot up? Probably not...I suspect that would create a vicious circle. Ok but isn';t there some measure Freenet can use to notice it's getting choked and not to try and hog the connection? We already do, effectively. Ok I am for all intents and purposes and innocent newbie whose just been quitely running a node for two years, trying to share what bandwidth I can because I think the project is worthwhile and bandwidth (so I've read) is the greatest need. Hehe. Working software is probably the greatest need :). And certainly I've seen Freenet (when on a good enough build, which is usually the case) sucks up every last byte of my bandwidth and I like to think that that is being useful to someone somehow. I've assumed that if my 80 Gb datastore fills up at 1 Gb per day, and Freenet still routes to and through my meager 128/128 kbps line (even when I cap it lower) that, hey, maybe my node is useful or needed or something. Ouch. Dual ISDN is the cheapest broadband available in your area? That's horrible. :). And when I see something new on COFE and follow the link and find 10% of the data is already in my meagre 1.5 Gb store I think hey, it got there somehow. I'm impressed with how well it works. Much better lately, thank you Toad. And I'm amazed so many connections are to Sweden or Germany or such like. In fact I've ever only noticed one (brief) connection to a New Zealand node. I'm not sure what that all means, except that even on a (by world standards) a relatively low bandwidth node, Freenet is highly functional to me. Ah, you're in NZ. Hence the cr*p bandwidth. I'm rambling...my point is that I read and try to understand but I'm a newbie and may blather in my innocence...forgive my questionsand comments. I don't expect agreement. But I throw them out anyway. I watch (with envy) discussions on bandwidth and pricing and (sadly) I think the world is moving more to caps (monthly limits) rather than open. It certainly is in Oz and NZ. Indeed. And I notice the whining of people in the US when their providers move them on to similar capped plans. Maybe the competition is strong enough to mitigate that, but bandwidth ain't cheap and simple economics seems the way to stop the leeches. I see it as a growing trend. But that's just my view. Wish it would trend the other way. Bandwidth isn't THAT expensive. People who want bandwidth will switch ISPs in a healthy market. I have been tempted by some DSL deals but unless Cable starts imposing and enforcing bandwidth limitations, I'm sticking to my cable modem for now. If they do, I'll take my business elsewhere, even if it means a different phone telco. There is sadly no priority in it ATM. To help one user run a node in a wierd situation... hmm. I'll think about it. Absolutely. You set the priorities. I have no expectations that anything would be done about it. Mostly I have a questions, which I think is still unanswered: How will a node respond if one set of connections has a high bandwidth cap and another set of connections has a low bandwidth cap (assuming these caps are applied externally). Does the node give its average recommendation on retry intervals and load to ALL the connections? Will the high bandwidth connections figure out this is a good node to deal with, even if I'm sending out a retry interval based on averages. It will not understand it. Therefore it will not deal with it particularly well.. Put another way: does freenet assume all my outgoing and incoming connections have equal bandwidth throughput? Does that affect routing in a suboptimal way? Unless they are LAN or local or reserved IPs, they are throttled in a similar manner and accounted for as one unit for high level bandwidth limiting. We COULD have multiple low level limiters, but it'd be a PITA to implement
Re: [freenet-support] First freenet start, first freenet bugs
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 05:08:25PM +0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: version 0.5.2.8 on win2k server and I install it by just clicking on freenet- webinstall.exe . I am on a Nat so I have modify freenet.ini file with ipAddress=192.168.0.1 and a redirector to this ip with the random freenet open port. Well, that's a mistake. It needs to be your EXTERNAL IP address - the address at the other side of the router. If the other side is dynamic, at present your only option is dyndns. The errors list messages doesn't indicate a connection problem. Hmmm. If I delete freenet conf file so freenet doesn't connect. How did you install Freenet, what version did you install, and what is your operating system? Can't explain what's wrong until you tell us what you did. Also did you edit the freenet.conf file manually by hand? At first glance it looks like freenet.conf is corrupted so maybe try deleting it and rerunning freenet. Could you send me your freenet.conf? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project
On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:39:34PM +0200, Troed S?ngberg wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2004 10:51:20 -0400, Jay Oliveri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Fred takes too much CPU and RAM because it's written in Java. I hate this depate. It's true that object orienting uses up (a few) more bytes than non-OO programming, but that's trivial compared to the structuring you (can) get with OO vs non-OO. Absolutely, virtual pointers are well worth the cost. JIT Java (which we're all running) is also very speedy, there's only a few rare instances where it's worth the trouble to replace code with something natively instead. Debatable. But most of the problems with Java come from the fact that it is non-free IMHO. If and when freenet works on GCJ, we benefit from: 1. Reduced CPU usage due to better optimization and no compilation at run time. 2. Reduced memory usage for the same reason. 3. Increased performance for BigInteger operations such as crypto; 5-10x faster using the free GMP library than Sun's proprietary implementation. On the other hand, it's quite easy to lose control with object creation, and to forget how to help the GC do the work most efficiently. That has nothing to do with Java in itself though. Well, Java does tend to produce a lot of object churn. But even if I was doing a project the size of Freenet in C++ I would find a GC very useful. Explicit deallocation support would *occasionally* be useful. /me - professional Software Engineer, well trained in C, C++ and Java (although mostly J2ME) -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] First freenet start, first freenet bugs
Go to Advanced mode on the Web Interface. Then tell us exactly what the error message says when you try to get the page(s). On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 02:26:07AM +0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I try to get http://127.0.0.1:/[EMAIL PROTECTED] but always same error Couldn't retrieve key and it's the same error for others URL on the gateway page. the ipaddress is set to my external IP and the Tcp port of the node is open and I can connect with telnet on it for verify so I don't know what is the new bug but it's really boring especially with program develop in java... [EMAIL PROTECTED]: you have the latest version, you don't need to upgrade anything. It sounds like perhaps your NAT box is not correctly forwarding the port to freenet on your machine? Alternatively, you can ignore the could not insert ARK error for now, and keep trying to access content on freenet (e.g. gpl.txt) and see if this is possible. The ARK error might go away as your node adapts to the network. d ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 09:05:42AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote: Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What would be nice (in lieu of being able to prefer certain IP ranges - I get local traffic far cheaper) would be a way to limit monthly transfer, eg set it so the node can use 5GB/month, and it'll aim for a daily transfer of about 170MB, but will go over if it needs to. I guess this would also mean that the size of incoming files would need to be limited. Unfortunately I can't try to hack this myself just yet, but I have some free time coming up, so I might look at it then, see if I can find where to do the limiting. I knew Java knowledge would come in handy :P So for now my node is offline. I've lowered my rate limiting to 500 bytes/sec to keep things under control, but I'm waiting for my ISPs traffic information to come back online... Toad: feel free to comment on point 3: Phillip, since we're in the same country with similar issues, I'd like to share my thoughts and see where we can go with this. Feel free to email me directly. 1. My experience is that I can get a limit of 5 Gb of *international* traffic a month (170 Mb a day) with Node bandwidth limits of Overall 0 Output 750 Input 0 Yup, a limit of 750 bytes per second. I need to experiment more with the Overall setting. Freenet is the single most effective utility I have found for consuming bandwidth. Better than BitTorrent. When the bandwidth level drops this low I get a lot of what I characterise as churn. The messageSendTimeRequest shoots up - I guess because messages can't get out fast enough through the small output channel. So then my node rejects incoming connections, but it's still sending outgoing requests (albeit slowly) so I'm rejecting these replies to my requests because my messageSendTimeRequest is so high. I suspect a lot of things get retried. I suspect my efficiency is low. But it works, and keeps me in the bandwidth cap. 2. I really suspect that more serious bandwidth limiting should be done at an operating system (router) level rather than at the Freenet level. I suspect that's what you'll be told around here. That way you can also take account of things happening other than your node. :-) Perhaps. That would also lead to high message send times though. Freenet needs to know what the limit is even if you use external limiting. So I've been working towards a Linux traffic shaper that gives sets no limits on traffic with domestic IP addresses and limits international traffic so the total monthly limit hits 5 Gb (my cap). HOW do you determine what is local? Freenet could maybe support this. 3. What I don't know is how my Freenet node will respond when some (domestic) IPs get a high bandwidth (8,000 k/s) and other (international) IPs get a low bandwidth (0.75 k/s). I guess my node will always give a constant recommendation for how much traffic it wants, and this will oscillate wildly according to how many domestic versus international nodes are connecting. I'm *hoping* domestic nodes will learn that it is worthwhile connecting to me, but they may be put off by the average they get. I don't know. Someday when Toad is bored maybe he could put his fine mind to at least thinking about the impacts of this bandwidth disparity and how a node configuration could be set to handle this. It may be that this scenario ( maix of low and high bandwidth channels into a node) is relatively uncommon worldwide, and isn't worth coding for, but I wonder how common it is, and whether it may become more common. Are you in Spain by any chance? The last poster on this topic was.. Comments welcome. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
Have you tried averageOutputLimit ? Does it work? On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:25:33PM +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote: [snip] 1. My experience is that I can get a limit of 5 Gb of *international* traffic a month (170 Mb a day) with Node bandwidth limits of Overall 0 Output 750 Input 0 Yup, a limit of 750 bytes per second. I need to experiment more with the Overall setting. Freenet is the single most effective utility I have found for consuming bandwidth. Better than BitTorrent. When the bandwidth level drops this low I get a lot of what I characterise as churn. The messageSendTimeRequest shoots up - I guess because messages can't get out fast enough through the small output channel. So then my node rejects incoming connections, but it's still sending outgoing requests (albeit slowly) so I'm rejecting these replies to my requests because my messageSendTimeRequest is so high. I suspect a lot of things get retried. I suspect my efficiency is low. But it works, and keeps me in the bandwidth cap. Yeah, that's what I get when I turn it down really low. Not really surprising, maybe freenet should adjust its priorities on a low bandwidth connection or something, but I don't know the internals yet 2. I really suspect that more serious bandwidth limiting should be done at an operating system (router) level rather than at the Freenet level. I suspect that's what you'll be told around here. That way you can also take account of things happening other than your node. :-) So I've been working towards a Linux traffic shaper that gives sets no limits on traffic with domestic IP addresses and limits international traffic so the total monthly limit hits 5 Gb (my cap). Yeah, I'm looking at it, but there's no decent way to detect freenet packets. That's a feature :). I was looking at patching the source so you could specify the source port range for outgoing connections. If you specified 10 ports or so and freenet bound them on startup so they were captured then, and used iptables to MARK the packets you could do some really decent limiting. 3. What I don't know is how my Freenet node will respond when some (domestic) IPs get a high bandwidth (8,000 k/s) and other (international) IPs get a low bandwidth (0.75 k/s). I guess my node will always give a constant recommendation for how much traffic it wants, and this will oscillate wildly according to how many domestic versus international nodes are connecting. I'm *hoping* domestic nodes will learn that it is worthwhile connecting to me, but they may be put off by the average they get. I don't know. Someday when Toad is bored maybe he could put his fine mind to at least thinking about the impacts of this bandwidth disparity and how a node configuration could be set to handle this. It may be that this scenario ( maix of low and high bandwidth channels into a node) is relatively uncommon worldwide, and isn't worth coding for, but I wonder how common it is, and whether it may become more common. Comments welcome. Domestically I am willing to give up to 5k/sec out and 15k/sec in (due to my connection speeds), internationally I would go lower but monitor the usage. I'd like to cut off after ~100MB/day. I know this is sub-optimal for freenet, but with caps that's the reality. Have you tried averageOutputBandwidth (in the config file)? One thing that I can think of is limiting the size of incoming files not requested by the node directly - stop splitfiles and things going through. I'm more interested in the information, not movies, but I can't think of a tidy way to implement this in a few minutes. I know it's not really in line with the freenet ideal, and also it could compromise privacy, but it's a thought. Well, if it was widely supported, it would just result in moviez being split into smaller chunks... -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 11:32:50AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote: Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing that I can think of is limiting the size of incoming files not requested by the node directly - stop splitfiles and things going through. I'm more interested in the information, not movies, but I can't think of a tidy way to implement this in a few minutes. I know it's not really in line with the freenet ideal, and also it could compromise privacy, but it's a thought. So you not only don't want to store large files in your data store - you don't want to relay them either? It should be easy enough to stop such files being stored in your data store - according to freenet.ini it doesn't store files larger than 1/100th of the size of your datastore, in your datastore. That 1/100 calculation would be easy to find and tweak so you don't store files of 1 Mb (and these days all the large files I see are in chunks of 1,026 Kb). The question is whether you can identify whether incoming data is part of an incoming 1 Mb message bfore you accept it. My guess, only a guess, is yes. This is true. I would think that information as opposed to files would normally be under 1 Mb. ZIP manifest freesites, the Diebold files, even some informative videos... For my part I'd like to contribute as much bandwidth to Freenet as a whole, but when in a capped triage situation I certainly understand wanting to prioritise traffic. NGR will take into account your transfer rate when deciding whether to route a request to you. Hopefully you'd get fewer requests for big files... -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 08:42:28PM +0300, Mika Hirvonen wrote: Toad wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 09:05:42AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote: So I've been working towards a Linux traffic shaper that gives sets no limits on traffic with domestic IP addresses and limits international traffic so the total monthly limit hits 5 Gb (my cap). HOW do you determine what is local? Freenet could maybe support this. Isn't NGRouting supposed to detect this? If international traffic is capped and domestic traffic is not, shouldn't domestic nodes appear to be much faster and thus favored over nodes which are located abroad? Only if they are equally effective in terms of probability of success etc... -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet through UDP
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 01:39:37AM +0200, Martin Scheffler wrote: On Friday 21 May 2004 22:27, Toad wrote: STUN is used to determine whether you are behind NAT. If you are then you need a third party to start connections to others behind NAT. The third party need not be a single server but can be a network of communicating servers (such as all freenet servers not behind NAT). When the connection is started the third party is no longer needed (i.e. data flows directly between the two parties). How is that possible? Does it involve TCP spoofing? As i understand it, STUN means you send UDP from port X anywhere outside. Following UDP replies to port X are routed back to the originating box. Now, the special point is, when another IP from outside contacts port X, the packets are routed aswell. It is said most cheap NATs do this. That's what I heard but much of the recent thread seems to be contrary to it. So you send UDP outside and voila, others (not only the particular destination) may contact you. mfg The Bishop p.s. hope i didn't mess reality up :-) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] trouble installing it
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 05:27:41PM +, c enrique wrote: hello i just need some help with this issue. When I try to run freenet.sh this is the error message i'm getting : [EMAIL PROTECTED] freenet]$ sh start-freenet.sh Detected freenet-ext.jar Detected freenet.jar Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m freenet.node.Main Done nice: java: No such file or directory Is freenet not recognizing the java environment ??? I downloaded the latest copy from sun.java.com and already installed it. Please . any help will b greatly appreciated. Sure. On my system, with java installed in /opt/j2sdk1.4.2, execute the following before trying start-freenet.sh (or put in your bashrc): export JAVA_HOME=/opt/j2sdk1.4.2 (or wherever it is installed) export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$JAVA_HOME/jre/bin/:$PATH -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: freenet on slashdot
On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 03:44:20PM +0200, Ole Tange wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:32:08 +0100, Toad wrote: and most of the rest are behind NATs which the user doesn't properly work around. :) Is there any reason why we cannot use STUN to avoid the NAT problems? It ought to be fairly simple to encapsulate the TCP-packets in UDP. What is STUN? Certainly we could write a UDP transport... /Ole -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: freenet on slashdot
Umm. I was told that most NATs would use the port number to forward packets from any and all external hosts to the one internal PC that has used a given port.. is that wrong? On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 06:48:42PM +0300, Roger Oksanen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 21 May 2004 18:15, Ian Clarke wrote: Roger Oksanen wrote: Tunneling packets in UDP when both hosts are behind NAT has the following problems: * Generic NAT tunneling implementations don't work; They require that one host is on a routable address. Not true in 85% of cases, most NATs will forward UDP packets that come from a host to which they recently sent a packet, allowing the establisment of bi-directional UDP between two NATted nodes. Yes, it will match the connection based on the source and destination IP address. Of course, when both computers are behind NAT:s (and I'm talking of NAPT), the source port will be changed when it passes the NAPT gw. Thus when it reaches the other NAPT gw, it's source address is unknown to both A and B, and B:s NAPT gw. The NAPT GW won't let the packet pass to B because it has no way to tell where it should go. Scenario A: Node A:s AP address G1: Node A:s NAPT GW A1: Node A:s NAPT GW IP B: Node B:s IP.. G2: Node B:s NAPT GW A knows B and B1, B knows A and A1 1) A sends UDP packet 1234:B1:1234 (sourcep:destip:destp - source IP is not intreseting here, so I left it out) 2) G1 changes it to 5678:B1:1234 and remembers it. 3) G2 receives 5678:B1:1234 and drops it, it can't possibly know where it was going 4) Now B could send a packet 1234:A1:5678 (because G1 remembers the route) but how would it know the NAPT port (5678). It can't. So it would have to walk through every possible port. = Out of luck And to make things worse, G2 will also change the source port number, so G1 won't accept the new packet even if B would successfully hit the right destination port. - Since NAT changes the source port number. A would have to send the initializing UDP packet to every port on B (essentially port scan B). Not if it has been informed of what port to use through out-of-band means (ie. via an introduction). Introduction works only when the destination node has a public IP and thus can receive the introduction message, from wich it figures out the random port number that the NAPT gw has invented. - -- Roger Oksanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] +358 50 355 1990 CS Student at Helsinki University PGP id 1B125A3E Homepage http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/raoksane/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAriTa78OZUBsSWj4RAm+zAJ9ahDR7y+gGd3BfH6jBf0BPiUQZrwCfSLmA T+v5vsy7a0clyXww+Zh3ECw= =Vtu3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: freenet on slashdot
In any case, is it fair to say that we will probably need some sort of introduction over the network for anything like this to work? i.e. we will need a way to send a message to a node we are not directly connected to, through the network? On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 07:36:16PM +0100, Toad wrote: Umm. I was told that most NATs would use the port number to forward packets from any and all external hosts to the one internal PC that has used a given port.. is that wrong? On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 06:48:42PM +0300, Roger Oksanen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 21 May 2004 18:15, Ian Clarke wrote: Roger Oksanen wrote: Tunneling packets in UDP when both hosts are behind NAT has the following problems: * Generic NAT tunneling implementations don't work; They require that one host is on a routable address. Not true in 85% of cases, most NATs will forward UDP packets that come from a host to which they recently sent a packet, allowing the establisment of bi-directional UDP between two NATted nodes. Yes, it will match the connection based on the source and destination IP address. Of course, when both computers are behind NAT:s (and I'm talking of NAPT), the source port will be changed when it passes the NAPT gw. Thus when it reaches the other NAPT gw, it's source address is unknown to both A and B, and B:s NAPT gw. The NAPT GW won't let the packet pass to B because it has no way to tell where it should go. Scenario A: Node A:s AP address G1: Node A:s NAPT GW A1: Node A:s NAPT GW IP B: Node B:s IP.. G2: Node B:s NAPT GW A knows B and B1, B knows A and A1 1) A sends UDP packet 1234:B1:1234 (sourcep:destip:destp - source IP is not intreseting here, so I left it out) 2) G1 changes it to 5678:B1:1234 and remembers it. 3) G2 receives 5678:B1:1234 and drops it, it can't possibly know where it was going 4) Now B could send a packet 1234:A1:5678 (because G1 remembers the route) but how would it know the NAPT port (5678). It can't. So it would have to walk through every possible port. = Out of luck And to make things worse, G2 will also change the source port number, so G1 won't accept the new packet even if B would successfully hit the right destination port. - Since NAT changes the source port number. A would have to send the initializing UDP packet to every port on B (essentially port scan B). Not if it has been informed of what port to use through out-of-band means (ie. via an introduction). Introduction works only when the destination node has a public IP and thus can receive the introduction message, from wich it figures out the random port number that the NAPT gw has invented. - -- Roger Oksanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] +358 50 355 1990 CS Student at Helsinki UniversityPGP id 1B125A3E Homepage http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/raoksane/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAriTa78OZUBsSWj4RAm+zAJ9ahDR7y+gGd3BfH6jBf0BPiUQZrwCfSLmA T+v5vsy7a0clyXww+Zh3ECw= =Vtu3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: freenet on slashdot
On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 07:37:25PM +0100, Toad wrote: In any case, is it fair to say that we will probably need some sort of introduction over the network for anything like this to work? i.e. we will need a way to send a message to a node we are not directly connected to, through the network? Interesting thought: that's another place I2P could help us! On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 07:36:16PM +0100, Toad wrote: Umm. I was told that most NATs would use the port number to forward packets from any and all external hosts to the one internal PC that has used a given port.. is that wrong? On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 06:48:42PM +0300, Roger Oksanen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 21 May 2004 18:15, Ian Clarke wrote: Roger Oksanen wrote: Tunneling packets in UDP when both hosts are behind NAT has the following problems: * Generic NAT tunneling implementations don't work; They require that one host is on a routable address. Not true in 85% of cases, most NATs will forward UDP packets that come from a host to which they recently sent a packet, allowing the establisment of bi-directional UDP between two NATted nodes. Yes, it will match the connection based on the source and destination IP address. Of course, when both computers are behind NAT:s (and I'm talking of NAPT), the source port will be changed when it passes the NAPT gw. Thus when it reaches the other NAPT gw, it's source address is unknown to both A and B, and B:s NAPT gw. The NAPT GW won't let the packet pass to B because it has no way to tell where it should go. Scenario A: Node A:s AP address G1: Node A:s NAPT GW A1: Node A:s NAPT GW IP B: Node B:s IP.. G2: Node B:s NAPT GW A knows B and B1, B knows A and A1 1) A sends UDP packet 1234:B1:1234 (sourcep:destip:destp - source IP is not intreseting here, so I left it out) 2) G1 changes it to 5678:B1:1234 and remembers it. 3) G2 receives 5678:B1:1234 and drops it, it can't possibly know where it was going 4) Now B could send a packet 1234:A1:5678 (because G1 remembers the route) but how would it know the NAPT port (5678). It can't. So it would have to walk through every possible port. = Out of luck And to make things worse, G2 will also change the source port number, so G1 won't accept the new packet even if B would successfully hit the right destination port. - Since NAT changes the source port number. A would have to send the initializing UDP packet to every port on B (essentially port scan B). Not if it has been informed of what port to use through out-of-band means (ie. via an introduction). Introduction works only when the destination node has a public IP and thus can receive the introduction message, from wich it figures out the random port number that the NAPT gw has invented. - -- Roger Oksanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] +358 50 355 1990 CS Student at Helsinki University PGP id 1B125A3E Homepage http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/raoksane/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAriTa78OZUBsSWj4RAm+zAJ9ahDR7y+gGd3BfH6jBf0BPiUQZrwCfSLmA T+v5vsy7a0clyXww+Zh3ECw= =Vtu3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet through UDP
On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 09:36:57PM +0200, Ole Tange wrote: On Fri, 21 May 2004 15:02:39 +0100, dave-kId6I2PxnVtBDgjK7y7TUQ wrote: and most of the rest are behind NATs which the user doesn't properly work around. :) Is there any reason why we cannot use STUN to avoid the NAT problems? It ought to be fairly simple to encapsulate the TCP-packets in UDP. Doesn't STUN involve connections to a centralised server? If so, we wouldn't be able to use that for connections between two behind-a-nat freenet nodes... STUN is used to determine whether you are behind NAT. If you are then you need a third party to start connections to others behind NAT. The third party need not be a single server but can be a network of communicating servers (such as all freenet servers not behind NAT). When the connection is started the third party is no longer needed (i.e. data flows directly between the two parties). How is that possible? Does it involve TCP spoofing? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] mailing list subscriber email should bypass spam blockers
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 09:21:31AM -0700, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2004, Toad wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 12:53:08PM -0700, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: =20 And to further the mail objection against having to use my ISP's mailer to talk to *this* list is that Shaw in theory can now look at my mail traffic and if they don't like the Freenet project, could suspend my internet account in a similar manner to how PayPal suspended yours. =20 Please, please, please FIX this and allow direct MTA connections from subscribed members only. Having to go thru the ISP mail server is a MAJOR privacy concern for me (I know from sysadmin experience that they can look at any mail passing thru their server at any time). What exactly happens? I don't think the spam filtering we have on dodo would arbitrarily discard messages from DSL hosts, they might be slightly more likely to be held... I thought I posted the text of the failure message. It reports as 'service unavailable' and directs dul.sorbs.net hitting on my MTA's IP as the cause (again I normally don't smarthost thru my ISP due to privacy concerns) but I've had to switch. The mailing list has only recently started doing this; I used to be able to post here. I've taken sorbs out of the list of blacklists used by dodo. I'll try again with smarthosting off and if it bounces again I'll post the bounce reply exported to a text message with full headers. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Snapshots
On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 04:13:38PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems so, as if the snapshots do not get updated anymore. At least the unstable-latest.jar (or similiar, the file which gets downloaded from the update script) is still version 60103, although 60105 was already announced. The crontab was turned off. Now it will be updated every 3 hours again. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] freenet on slashdot
On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 08:08:22PM -0700, pineapple wrote: The paypay-freenet incident has landed on slashdot. Wonder how the website will hold up? :) The website isn't a problem, it's hosted on sourceforge. The problem with slashdot is usually that the network gets 10,000 new hosts, of which 5,000 are taken down in five minutes, 3,000 are taken down in half an hour, 50 people ask for help, and most of the rest are behind NATs which the user doesn't properly work around. :) -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Datastore loses keys on restart
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:54:28AM -0400, Daves Lists wrote: My node was up for 1 day 10 hours when I restarted it to increase the thread limit. After the restart I lost about 6000 keys. My datastore is set to 50 gigs and is no where near full. Below are the stats before and after. Were those just temporary keys that were deleted after the restart?? I'm running 5082 on WinXP pro. Woah. They might have been temporary keys... in which case we are still leaking tempfiles. Dave Histogram of keys in in fred's data store These are the keys to the data in your node's local cache (DataStore) May 18, 2004 1:46:42 AM keys: 49543 scale factor: 0.01990668661892414 (This is used to keep lines 64 characters) Histogram of keys in in fred's data store These are the keys to the data in your node's local cache (DataStore) May 18, 2004 1:48:23 AM keys: 43176 scale factor: 0.022848982363939285 (This is used to keep lines 64 characters) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Datastore loses keys on restart
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 11:13:48AM +0200, TLD wrote: Daves Lists wrote: My node was up for 1 day 10 hours when I restarted it to increase the thread limit. After the restart I lost about 6000 keys. My datastore is set to 50 gigs and is no where near full. Below are the stats before and after. Were those just temporary keys that were deleted after the restart?? I?m running 5082 on WinXP pro. Probably so. Temporary keys are lost upon restart, and it takes a while (how long?) before they are committed to the store. Up to date, I do not know a way to cleanly bring down the node, where by cleanly I mean all of: completing the transfers pending or in progress (while not accepting new ones), committing or removing temp files, clean exit for the jvm. Is there any need for it? One could be implemented but I don't see the point. Completing all existing transfers could take a LONG time. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] error first time start freenet
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:14:36AM -0500, tripolar wrote: I am running Debian-sid, 2.6.3 kernel, and java from sun ( j2re-1_4_2_04 ). I installed freenet, edited the conf file- just added my ip address. When I started freenet $sh start-freenet.sh I get this error ( below) though this part of the error is maybe a thousand lines down. Finally killed freenet with root. Any ideas on how to fix this? You tried to run Freenet on GCJ (well probably GIJ). There are some major bugs preventing this at the moment. We are (slowly) working on getting it to work on Kaffe. Meanwhile, please install the Sun JRE (or SDK), from http://java.sun.com/ . It has a quasifascistic license, and Sun has recently done some sort of deal with Microsoft, so it's suboptimal, but that's what works right this instant. Thanks at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop (AbstractSelectorLoop.java:835) at freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop.run (ListenSelectorLoop.java:149) at java.lang.Thread.run (Thread.java:307) java.lang.Exception at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop (AbstractSelectorLoop.java:836) at freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop.run (ListenSelectorLoop.java:149) at java.lang.Thread.run (Thread.java:307) Caught a java.nio.channels.IllegalBlockingModeException, LSL.processConnections failing java.nio.channels.IllegalBlockingModeException at java.net.ServerSocket.implAccept (ServerSocket.java:350) at gnu.java.nio.NIOServerSocket.accept (NIOServerSocket.java:77) at gnu.java.nio.ServerSocketChannelImpl.accept (ServerSocketChannelImpl.java:110) at freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop.processConnections (ListenSelectorLoop.java:107) at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop (AbstractSelectorLoop.java:835) at freenet.transport.ListenSelectorLoop.run (ListenSelectorLoop.java:149) at java.lang.Thread.run (Thread.java:307) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Here's the bounce reply (the list WILL block subscribers on DSL addresses running their own MTAs)
This shouldn't happen any more - at least, not from SORBS. On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 09:29:19AM -0700, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 18 09:25:34 2004 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:24:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem MAILER-DAEMON To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details The original message was received at Tue, 18 May 2004 09:24:32 -0700 (PDT) from localhost.enugen.net [127.0.0.1] - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reason: 554 Service unavailable; Client host [24.71.255.81] blocked using dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Dynamic IP Address See: http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup?IP=24.71.255.81) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to a.mx.freenetproject.org.: DATA 554 Service unavailable; Client host [24.71.255.81] blocked using dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Dynamic IP Address See: http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup?IP=24.71.255.81 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable 554 Error: no valid recipients [ Part 2: Delivery Status ] Reporting-MTA: dns; ruby.enugen.net Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost.enugen.net Arrival-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; a.mx.freenetproject.org Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 554 Service unavailable; Client host [24.71.255.81] blocked using dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net; Dynamic IP Address See: http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup?IP=24.71.255.81 Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:24:48 -0700 (PDT) [ Part 3: Included Message ] Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:24:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Brian Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Freenet Support Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I'm sending this message directly thru my MTA without smarthosting thru my ISP This is the message I am attempting to send to the list to test for a bounced mail. If I get a bounce as I mentioned I'll text export the bounce reply and post the error. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet directory sharing between Linux/windoz
Arguably we should change the index format to not include actual pathnames. On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:07:48AM +0200, Niklas Bergh wrote: Or adding code to handle the situation better even... /N -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Guyot-Sionnest Sent: den 19 maj 2004 05:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet directory sharing between Linux/windoz TLD wrote: Roger Oksanen wrote: I'm guessing that freenet does a listing to decide if there exists a valid datastore. It would not be to efficient to open every file just Lame as it may sound, try disabling the index file for the datastore. Thank for the tip! I'll try in the next days... If it works maybe it's worth adding a FAQ entry... doesn't it? Thank again all for your help, I'll follow-up in a few days. Thomas Guyot ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.su pport Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] freenet crashing (with less log to get under the 40 K limit)
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 09:33:50AM -0400, Ed Soniat wrote: I have a freenet configuration which was working great and then it started crashing. Since it was working fine and I haven't changed anything I doubt it is the configuration file. Some times it runs for several minutes, some times several seconds. I'm on RedHat 8.0 with a 1.4.2 JVM Are you using the start-freenet.sh script provided? What kernel are you using? I tried free net before and I thought I would try it again. This time I was actually encouraged at first that it was working good enough to be useful. Thanks Ed The following is a log May 19, 2004 5:27:44 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Starting Freenet (Fred) 0.5 node, build #5081 on JVM Sun Microsystems Inc.:Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM:1.4.2_02-b03 May 19, 2004 5:27:46 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading node keys: node May 19, 2004 5:27:46 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Read node file May 19, 2004 5:27:48 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): starting filesystem May 19, 2004 5:27:59 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading data store May 19, 2004 5:27:59 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading routing table May 19, 2004 5:28:01 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): From input: 16000.0 May 19, 2004 5:28:01 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Setting default initTransferRate to 16000.0 May 19, 2004 5:28:01 AM (freenet.node.rt.NGRoutingTable, main, NORMAL): Loading estimators May 19, 2004 5:28:53 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Created new NGRT May 19, 2004 5:28:53 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Loaded stats May 19, 2004 5:28:53 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading temp bucket factory May 19, 2004 5:28:53 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loaded temp bucket factory May 19, 2004 5:28:53 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Loaded bucket factory May 19, 2004 5:28:54 AM (freenet.node.NodeReference, main, NORMAL): Bad reference: physical.tcp=snail.homelinux.org:25005 ARK.encryption=f20ab89ffb8d3b6ebf9e29b85b6e80aac7a649236948f3a600c120849ca52ff1 ARK.revision=10 sessions=1 presentations=3 signature=63088ed32942c67b8ffdd9bd41c4ef064f7db369,64d25a0c986605f8e353e6d12dcc890b99d87d49 identity.y=23517871d8b47da69bd51855b97b2acd21baf8ef51e64cf605ce1d997afff5056b53dee312baf800267d8babfc54be494c880c64bd6d6ea32ec13b82dad3266a6b9ee5c9b4297b545bf701223210e6b0d47b98c4eabe530f93367df6fd657d547d97bbdb7e01c255d713fff4f46f61f99e34e8350f3d7744de2877344f658a11 identity.p=cb0a782c7abff492023d662854a10e52de49da383d9ee21d7a337213d24ed096f95a5d37b8537bbaa58a2a6b26bd328f6a32cec77180f78d5be43d80e813e4018d09da38bd58fd615c01fbab492ec203c69e3da9fd682ce8aa98f15ad8057970edb44fe1ed08e0462e5b8d97 identity.g=930168de21e7fb66c0375e08e964255a0f7f0ad54507a51864afdc686f36be8bb8b7865408116060c5f34f94b5146cbef9e4adb70324fba01d34c1c60817cbadf6854d654176cb391de0d41e0f0fbbc8ceea5546c09a676b0d9a9988c7a1ce36ce31596037a18b4d540374bdf2ad071a3f8dd1015a9d8ba0f0d51cde212db6da identity.q=ef1f7a7a73362e526515f348075aee265e9eff45 version=Fred,0.5,STABLE-1.50,5078 End May 19, 2004 5:28:54 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, ERROR): Skipped bad NodeReference while reading seed nodes freenet.node.BadReferenceException: NodeReference self signature check failed. at freenet.node.NodeReference.init(NodeReference.java:274) at freenet.node.NodeReference.init(NodeReference.java:128) at freenet.node.NodeReference.init(NodeReference.java:99) at freenet.node.Main.readSeedNodes(Main.java:3205) at freenet.node.Main.spawnNode(Main.java:1092) at freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:1001) May 19, 2004 5:28:57 AM (freenet.node.NodeReference, main, NORMAL): Bad reference: physical.tcp=btb100.dyndns.org:34753 ARK.encryption=a9aef75e0a535fe05eb76b0238ef3d852c8a40c8abd99d12a1d8fe956b953d1e ARK.revision=8 sessions=1 presentations=3 signature=a80f571f7fa1c632ee2c7ea62483a269ba8fa7c7,958bf6022bf3bad6d224ed0f078bb63b4094a2b7 identity.y=353282063db68b5ddc650c22ee211862d561aef09cbbb45985a16ea97cbe70415bb180bcd060f05a549716ad1ae5e8dc7ca7c50d8c3e2254b332ed3f42611cbd1e09f9de8cb568e44a87cc777d16767fd8366034b0bc800605a6064084a3489f71e5cfc512368f9abfb4399a4c6dd26c0f6a53d6577c53ab4213350960a4ee0a identity.p=cb0a782c7abff492023d662854a10e52de49da383d9ee21d7a337213d24ed096f95a5d37b8537bbaa58a2a6b26bd328f6a32cec77180f78d5be43d80e813e4018d09da38bd58fd615c01fbab492ec203c69e3da9fd682ce8aa98f15ad8057970edb44fe1ed08e0462e5b8d97 identity.g=930168de21e7fb66c0375e08e964255a0f7f0ad54507a51864afdc686f36be8bb8b7865408116060c5f34f94b5146cbef9e4adb70324fba01d34c1c60817cbadf6854d654176cb391de0d41e0f0fbbc8ceea5546c09a676b0d9a9988c7a1ce36ce31596037a18b4d540374bdf2ad071a3f8dd1015a9d8ba0f0d51cde212db6da identity.q=ef1f7a7a73362e526515f348075aee265e9eff45 End May 19, 2004 5:28:57 AM (freenet.node.Main, main, ERROR): Skipped bad NodeReference
Re: [freenet-support] Here's the bounce reply (the list WILL block subscribers on DSL addresses running their own MTAs)
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:30:59PM -0700, Chris Linstruth wrote: Reversing this should do the trick. SORBS.NET is way too aggressive and often out-of-date with marginal support in gettting erroneous entries removed. Spamhaus hasn't given me any problems at all. Nor has the mail-abuse.org RBL. Using SORBS with Postfix. Two parts of the configuration need to be changed: In your main.cf file (usually /etc/postfix/main.cf) set the following: 1. maps_rbl_domains = dnsbl.sorbs.net 2. smtpd_client_restrictions = reject_maps_rbl Umm. We currently have: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = ... reject_rbl_client dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net, permit I have temporarily commented out the above reference to SORBS. How do I tell it to use SORBS but to not reject hosts purely on the basis that they are in a DSL block? Note: the 'reject_maps_rbl' restriction should be added rather than replacing the current options. http://www.dnsbl.us.sorbs.net/mailsystems/postfix.html -- Chris Linstruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: mailing list subscriber email should bypass spam blockers
On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 10:24:37PM +0200, Someone wrote: Edward J. Huff schrieb: Nothing goes through my ISP's mail server, but since traffic on port 25 is unencrypted, they can read my mail anyway. As an alternative you could post to and read the lists via the gmane news group server, which also allows encrypted SSL connections. But as long as the freenet node can be found via a short port scan followed by an fnp connection attempt on open ports, it won't help much if your provider dislikes freenet. It can't. You cannot portscan for freenet. You can however detect nodes via passive traffic analysis. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet directory sharing between Linux/windoz
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 11:27:41AM +0300, Roger Oksanen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 18 May 2004 09:40, Thomas Guyot-Sionnest wrote: Also, linux's FAT32 driver doesn't care for case... However, if the Freenet client get a directory listing and do case-sensitive operations on it, it may fail... (and that would definetly be a bug of Freenet since hex strings doesn't care about case) Linux file operations are case sensitive so I'm not supprised if the freenet code assumes that files should have a certain case. The datastore seems to only use lower case characters. One could of course easily write a litle program/script that changes the filename for all datastore files that have uppercase characters in them (if that's the problem). I doubt it as freenet works on both OSs... owait... I think.. yes. Set doIndex=false. That will very probably fix the problem. I think we keep actual filenames in the index file, including separators... -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet directory sharing between Linux/windoz
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 04:04:06PM +0300, Roger Oksanen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 18 May 2004 15:55, Thomas Guyot-Sionnest wrote: As I said, FAT32 filesystems under Linux are *case-insensitive*...Whenever you type the name in UPPER or lower case, you access the same file. What I said is there could be a problem if freenet get a directory listing and do some internal comparaisons on it... But chances of such problem are minimal since store name are in lowercase in both OS. I'm guessing that freenet does a listing to decide if there exists a valid datastore. It would not be to efficient to open every file just to make sure it exists, doing a listing is much faster. As the directory listing probably returns names in upper case, it will fail and re-create the store. We don't do a listing unless there is no index file. But this is of course all speculation as you have not verified if linux returns names with uppercase characters. I don't think it does... but I can't see that being the problem. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Here's the bounce reply (the list WILL block subscribers on DSL addresses running their own MTAs)
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:16:58PM -0400, Jay Oliveri wrote: Don't wait for someone to implement what you've suggested (allowing direct SMTP connections from a dynamic IP); there's enough work to do without building these kinds of things that just lead to constant maintenance. There's nothing preventing you from using another SMTP gateway; it doesn't have to be your ISP, it just has to answer to a DNS reverse lookup (or something like that). GMane, Yahoo!, GMX, etc. Oh wonderful. Yahoo? YAHOO?! Delete snide and probably litigable comments. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Freenet project paypal account frozen was Re: [freenet-support] Payment failure
The account has apparently been frozen. Feel free to slashdot. (I was rather tempted to CC this to announce, but I don't think it would have been a good idea :) ). We should be able to get the money back (fortunately there wasn't much in the account).. but it may take 6 months... Apparently the AUP prohibits the use of anonymizing proxies. We naively assumed that this means to access the account - which is something we have never done. But perhaps it means that you are prohibited from developing one, in which case that would explain it. On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 10:23:43AM -0700, Dave Hershberger wrote: Dear Freenet people, I just got this email from Paypal: Dear David Hershberger, Your subscription payment to Freenet Project Inc for Freenet Project Membership failed on May 17, 2004 because of problems with Freenet Project Inc's account. We will try to make this subscription payment again on May 20, 2004. -- Subscription Details -- Amount: $20.00 USD Date of payment failure: May 17, 2004 Date of next payment attempt: May 20, 2004 Subscription Name: Freenet Project Membership Subscription Number: S-8HJ8572886814752L Is there something going on with freenet's paypal account that you know of? Is the money still needed I presume? Thanks, -Dave ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Which is the best browser to use for security with Freenet
Sure. On Windows: Mozilla, Opera (with some configuration, specifically you must set it not to ignore MIME types), Firebird/Firefox, Lynx, Links. On Linux/BSD/etc: Mozilla, Firebird/Firefox, Konqueror (probably; not thoroughly tested), Links, Lynx. On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 04:41:50AM -0700, mary yram wrote: Hi there. I once got a message on Freenet saying not to use Internet Explorer as it is not totally anonymous, but to rather use other free browsers. I have been unable to find this message again. Please will you recommend a few browsers that I can use with Freenet to remain anonymous. Thank you. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Request for help: Seednodes for stable
We need seednode sources for stable urgently. All you need to do is give dodo.freenetproject.org access to mainport: mainport.allowedHosts=127.0.0.0/8,212.13.198.248 in your freenet.conf And send me the address of the node. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Stable build 5082
Freenet stable build 5082 is now available. The snapshots have been updated. Please upgrade ASAP. Stable branch users should upgrade at least weekly as Freenet is still at a relatively early phase of development. You can use the update option on the start menu, or freenet-webinstall.exe to update your node on Windows. Or undex Linux, MacOS/X or other POSIX-like systems, you can use update.sh: ./stop-freenet.sh ./update.sh ./start-freenet.sh Please remember to stop the node before updating, and start it again afterwards. You can also get the jar directly from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.jar Details of this build: Various bug fixes, some of them pretty serious. Comes to a fairly small amount of actual code though. Lots more changes are being tested and debugged on unstable. * Rate limiting was almost completely broken due to a stupid bug. Fixed it. * Major routing fix: many of our running averages were, for various reasons, at 0. or so. With the current running average implementation for probabilities, the result of this is that the running average will never change (because the closer it is to 0.0 or 1.0, the less sensitive it is). We were supposed to be doing bounds checking to ensure that this wasn't a problem; there was a bug in the bounds checking :(. The result of this bug was that some of the major factors in the NGRouting calculation were very often completely wrong! The current implementation is suboptimal, there is a replacement being tested on unstable, but the code merged in this build should be much better than the previous builds! * Fixed a NullPointerException that would cause the web interface to stop working after a while. * Show some more useful detail next to probability running averages on the per node pages linked from the routing table page. * Don't leak a temp file when an insert fails. * A minor optimization in DSAPublicKey.equals(), and some minor code style changes. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Solved)Re: [freenet-support] Big oooops- deleted window's temp files and cant retrieve freenet sites
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 12:37:44PM -0500, tripolar wrote: I restarted freenet- works now! Lesson I learned today-Dont delete temp files :-) Or don't install software into the temp directory :) tripolar wrote: I deleted windows temp files- call me paranoid stupid ;-) because I was running out of diskspace. Now I can access the webinterface site but nothing else. The error is below. Question- What should I do now? java.io.FileNotFoundException: G:\DOCUME~1\me\LOCALS~1\Temp\freenet\tbf_3419fcd7 (The system cannot find the path specified) java.io.FileNotFoundException: G:\DOCUME~1\me\LOCALS~1\Temp\freenet\tbf_3419fcd7 (The system cannot find the path specified) at freenet.client.SegmentOutputStream.write(SegmentOutputStream.java:205) at java.io.OutputStream.write(Unknown Source) at freenet.crypt.DecipherOutputStream.write(DecipherOutputStream.java:40) at freenet.client.InternalClient$InternalFeedbackToken$InternalDataChunkOutputStream.sendChunk(InternalClient.java:278) at freenet.support.io.DataChunkOutputStream.write(DataChunkOutputStream.java:45) at freenet.support.io.CBStripOutputStream.write(CBStripOutputStream.java:41) at freenet.OutputStreamTrailerWriter.writeTrailing(OutputStreamTrailerWriter.java:18) at freenet.node.states.data.SendData.startWrite(SendData.java:296) at freenet.node.states.data.SendData.received(SendData.java:266) at freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:177) at freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:61) at freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.run(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:332) at freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.received(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:285) at freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.access$100(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:204) at freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler.handle(StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:96) at freenet.Ticker$Event.run(Ticker.java:323) at freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread.run(YThreadFactory.java:285) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] 5078 (Stable) Just Sits There, Does Nothing
Okay. Show me the header (the lines at the top, before the table) from http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodestatus/nodestatus.html If it says 0 node references, stop freenet, remove it, reinstall it with new seednodes, and if it still doesn't work, send me your freenet.log On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 07:31:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:45 AM 5/11/2004 +0200, you wrote: Is it running? Yes. Has it any connections open? On the gateway page it says Load: 0% Under Networking, Current Downloads, after every item listed it says RouteNotFound, reason: No route found Does it say something bad in the log? May 11, 2004 7:21:22 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): starting filesystem May 11, 2004 7:21:54 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading data store May 11, 2004 7:21:54 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading routing table May 11, 2004 7:21:54 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): From output: 49152.0 May 11, 2004 7:21:54 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Setting default initTransferRate to 49152.0 May 11, 2004 7:21:54 PM (freenet.node.rt.NGRoutingTable, main, NORMAL): Loading estimators May 11, 2004 7:21:54 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Created new NGRT May 11, 2004 7:21:55 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Loaded stats May 11, 2004 7:21:55 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading temp bucket factory May 11, 2004 7:21:55 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loaded temp bucket factory May 11, 2004 7:21:55 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Loaded bucket factory May 11, 2004 7:21:55 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): Seed file not found: CPU May 11, 2004 7:21:55 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): starting node May 11, 2004 7:21:56 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading service: mainport May 11, 2004 7:21:56 PM (freenet.node.Main, main, NORMAL): loading service: distribution May 11, 2004 7:21:56 PM (freenet.interfaces.servlet.SingleHttpServletContainer, main, NORMAL): Loading the single servlet distribution.params.servlet May 11, 2004 7:21:56 PM (freenet.node.Node, main, NORMAL): Starting ticker.. May 11, 2004 7:21:56 PM (freenet.node.Node, main, NORMAL): Starting interfaces.. May 11, 2004 7:21:56 PM (freenet.node.http.BookmarkManagerServlet, main, NORMAL): Bookmarks updated on request May 11, 2004 7:21:56 PM (freenet.node.Node, main, NORMAL): starting ListenSelector.. My guess is that there is something wrong with the seednodes.ref that I got at http://www.freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref Can anybody give me a clue about this? Is there a better place to get a seednodes.ref for build 5078? /N -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 11 maj 2004 06:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [freenet-support] 5078 (Stable) Just Sits There, Does Nothing Windows XP Pro After having Freenet disabled for a couple of weeks while I was doing some heavy downloading I decided to fire it up again. I figured it was a good idea to update the snapshot from 5077 first. Big mistake. Now it does nothing. All I did was update the snapshot and download the new seednodes.ref. I haven't changed anything else with my configuration. What could be going wrong? ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.su pport Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.679 / Virus Database: 441 - Release Date: 5/7/2004 ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] (no subject)
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 05:57:25PM -0400, Peter E. Urban Jr. wrote: Clear Dayjust found your software, but can not do anythingi.e. couldn't retrieve key any of them did not work help thanks Pete Firstly, please don't use HTML mail, if you can avoid it, when talking to us. Secondly, what exactly happened? Thirdly, you can help us a lot by: Load http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodestatus/nodestatus.html in your web browser. Copy the top of the table at the top into an email and send it to us. Example: mine is: Number of known routing nodes 390 Number of node references 384 Number of newbie nodes 31 Number of uncontactable nodes 26 Contacted and attempted to contact node references 283 Contacted node references 134 Contacted newbie node references31 Connections with Successful Transfers 96 Backed off nodes63 Connection Attempts 178 Successful Connections 22 (the stuff below this point is less important). -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] New with this ... please some help
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:07:47PM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote: Most Win users are not at all accustomed to finding and editing .ini files because those went out of general use about three Win-generations ago when Microsoft decided that those darn users just don't know how to use our software and started hiding all the parameters in the registry. Since I having been around since Osborne sold his hardware business, I am aware of them. Still, it took me several tries before I found that the % was a comment marker AND to discover which of those I needed to remove to avoid being a transient node. (And that must be done each and every time that one downloads a new version.) It seems that it is prefered we run non-transient, but the default is nicely set up to send us to transient. Hi Nicholas. Does this still happen? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Stable build 5080
Freenet stable build 5081 is now available. Please upgrade, unless you are running an unstable build. Users of the stable network should upgrade weekly on average. The snapshots are updating. You can get the new build by using freenet-webinstall.exe on Windows, or update.sh on Linux/*nix/MacOS X. Don't forget to shut down the node before updating and start it up afterwards. Changelog: Fixed lots of bugs: * The routing table was being overrun by nodes with no contact details. * Reseeding caused a NullPointerException and never worked (thanks Conrad). * Many inserts would never finish. * Several inaccuracies fixed and improvements made to rate limiting. * The latest build indicator was very easily spoofable. Now it is rather less easy to spoof. * Fproxy threads would hang forever if an exception happened during the request, e.g. if out of disk space. * We should cache late-arriving data, if we are still searching. * hops.png had a border on some pages. * Vary the minRequestInterval randomly slightly to prevent oscillation (and make traffic analysis harder). * build.xml will now build (with ant) everything, including freenet-ext.jar, if you have the source for Contrib. * Update CVS details in build.xml because sf changed the CVSROOT * Don't send whether we are transient in our node reference. Firstly, it is irrelevant: all that matters now is whether the node is contactable; all nodes will either do their share or will be dropped from people's routing tables. Secondly, it's a breach of privacy (although a minor one given the first reason). * DataSent was not being sent until after the padding had been sent, when a SendData failed. This meant the parent state didn't know the send had failed for some time, which could cause problems. * Handle various unexpected or late messages better. * Some minor refactoring, logging, indenting, comments, etc. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] 5078 (Stable) Just Sits There, Does Nothing
Fixed in 5080. Upgrade! On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 08:34:05PM -0500, Conrad Sabatier wrote: On 11-May-2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows XP Pro After having Freenet disabled for a couple of weeks while I was doing some heavy downloading I decided to fire it up again. I figured it was a good idea to update the snapshot from 5077 first. Big mistake. Now it does nothing. All I did was update the snapshot and download the new seednodes.ref. I haven't changed anything else with my configuration. What could be going wrong? It looks like there's a nasty bug somewhere in the code that initializes the seednodes/noderefs. I encountered it several times recently myself, when I decided (for reasons I won't go into here) to start over with a fresh routing table. The node would start up, then trigger a null pointer exception at a certain point, then head off into La-La Land after that. I haven't tracked it down, since it seems to have subsided here, and I hate to go through the whole arduous process of clearing my routes and trying to deliberately trigger the bug again. If I recall correctly, the NPE occurred just after the log message initial refs count: -1, somewhere in NGRoutingTable.java, I believe. Try forcing a reseed of your node with the --seed command line switch and see if that helps. It may take a few repetitions for it to catch. HTH -- Conrad Sabatier [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In Unix veritas ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Automatic server retry of failing documents
On Sun, May 09, 2004 at 04:20:22PM +0200, Michael Schierl wrote: Niklas Bergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now I believe I can live with freenet being slow and that many documents are not immediately available. What is annoying me is that _I_ will have to do the retrying. Why is that not a task for the server? You sure? I thought we had a meta-refresh tag on those RNF/DNF pages? Wont the browser automatically retry the page after a while if you leave it to? Hi again, wanted to try Freenet again ;-) - seems to work quite well. However, those RNFs are really a PITA. Yes, those RNF pages have meta refresh tags on them; however, that does not help if a) one does not use Fproxy for fetching a file In which case whatever you did use would retry. b) the failing file is an image. In that case it just disappears and you have to reload the page manually until you have all images. (alternatively, you can open a browser window/tab for every single image you want to have; IMHO this is no real solution either.) This is what IFRAME is for :) For me it seems as Fred is too fail-fast. It may try for a few more seconds or minutes instead of returning the RNF nearly immediately (and very often). Putting that retry to the user's side (being it the browser or a FCP app) is no good idea IMHO. Maybe so. But maybe the problem is more fundamental. mihi -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
