Re: [freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Then why are you responding, and rudely even? I don't think English is his first language.. sound familiar? Indeed, but you are mistaken in the perceived familiarity. It had/has NOTHING to do with his english, or spelling, or grammar. I just don't understand shite what he was trying to say, since with a normal install you don't need to move anything. As for the word 'shite'; dunno if that is all that rude: I took it from a bunch of Scotsmen that I knew, and they used it often, and in various contexts, which wasn't all that rude, actually. It isn't that rude, but I certainly would not recommend its use in any formal context, in writing, or in discussion with someone whose sensitivities are unknown to you. -- Roger Hayter ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
You've missed the point completely. The error message was Could not find the main class. A java programmer knows this to be not an error with the virtual machine, but more of a classpath issue (the VM cannot find the class; it never actually *ran* anything). Recommending that the user upgrade their VM is bad advice since that clearly isn't the issue. It's not too much to ask those who wish to contribute by answering support questions that they actually understand the nuances of Java. Recommending that the user upgrade their VM is bad advice since that clearly isn't the issue. is a prime example of spicious reasoning: it does not follow, because it's not the main issue, that it is bad advice. At most, if the advice was not wrong on itself and if no other recommandations were made, it would constitute inadequate advice. I didn't miss the point, but you mix two things: the recommandation that he uses another JVM, and the recommandation that he should just auto-install the stuff, and not put it manually in a folder. That installing a new JVM is probably not a main issue under XP was made clear enough by my words: 'besides', 'mostly for linux', 'preferably', etc. The fact that it couldn't find the path IS probably due to him installing stuff manually in a folder. Under windows, with the webupdate and all, you can auto-install JVM as well as freenet 'out of the box', without any manual moving around afterwards, as I've said. In fact, your comment about him installing it manually and that he will discover his error, hints at this as well. But since I think it's more difficult to find the right file(s) and move it to the right folder, or adapt the path; the most easy thing to do is auto-installing a new JVM. I have done exactly the same more then once, also under windows, and I've never encountered classpath problems, so IMHO, the recommandation was not 'bad'. Using another JVM like the 1.5.x build is an extra recommandation, for the reasons I already said in earlier posts (and to which you do not agree, I know). Maybe your interaction with users is vastly more elaborate then mine, but *I* didn't see much bugreports with as cause the 1.5.x build, certainly not compared to the 1.4.2 build. And, as you indicated, Toad himself has recommended it already too. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
As far as I remember, the winstaller actually checks that the 1.4.x JVM is installed. If you have the 1.5.x JVM, I believe the winstaller will still point fred to use the 1.4.x JVM (I could be mistaken of course because I've not even looked at any of the installer code for over a year) You've missed the point completely. The error message was Could not find the main class. A java programmer knows this to be not an error with the virtual machine, but more of a classpath issue (the VM cannot find the class; it never actually *ran* anything). Recommending that the user upgrade their VM is bad advice since that clearly isn't the issue. It's not too much to ask those who wish to contribute by answering support questions that they actually understand the nuances of Java. Recommending that the user upgrade their VM is bad advice since that clearly isn't the issue. is a prime example of spicious reasoning: it does not follow, because it's not the main issue, that it is bad advice. At most, if the advice was not wrong on itself and if no other recommandations were made, it would constitute inadequate advice. I didn't miss the point, but you mix two things: the recommandation that he uses another JVM, and the recommandation that he should just auto-install the stuff, and not put it manually in a folder. That installing a new JVM is probably not a main issue under XP was made clear enough by my words: 'besides', 'mostly for linux', 'preferably', etc. The fact that it couldn't find the path IS probably due to him installing stuff manually in a folder. Under windows, with the webupdate and all, you can auto-install JVM as well as freenet 'out of the box', without any manual moving around afterwards, as I've said. In fact, your comment about him installing it manually and that he will discover his error, hints at this as well. But since I think it's more difficult to find the right file(s) and move it to the right folder, or adapt the path; the most easy thing to do is auto-installing a new JVM. I have done exactly the same more then once, also under windows, and I've never encountered classpath problems, so IMHO, the recommandation was not 'bad'. Using another JVM like the 1.5.x build is an extra recommandation, for the reasons I already said in earlier posts (and to which you do not agree, I know). Maybe your interaction with users is vastly more elaborate then mine, but *I* didn't see much bugreports with as cause the 1.5.x build, certainly not compared to the 1.4.2 build. And, as you indicated, Toad himself has recommended it already too. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
On Wednesday 22 September 2004 06:53 pm, Newsbyte wrote: You did notice he's running XP, and that the problems with 1.4.2 occur with some installs of BSD and OSX. Which is what I said. And yet, people have come forth with problems with 1.4.2, even on windows. Probably not enough to indicate a firm correlation, let alone a causality, but seen that no similar problems as yet have occured with the 1.5.x, it's in any case a more sound advice to use that build. You've missed the point completely. The error message was Could not find the main class. A java programmer knows this to be not an error with the virtual machine, but more of a classpath issue (the VM cannot find the class; it never actually *ran* anything). Recommending that the user upgrade their VM is bad advice since that clearly isn't the issue. It's not too much to ask those who wish to contribute by answering support questions that they actually understand the nuances of Java. And btw, it was with linux as well, in the past. Only without the native BigInt libraries.. I experienced this very problem on Linux and found the problem disappeared after installing the updated freenet-ext. This is easier than upgrading the VM; but all of this is moot since he's on XP. I can hardly see 'you will discover your own fault' as being more supportive, in any case. I first told him to refer to Toad's response in the original other thread, since the answer was there. I also don't recommend (although Toad might) that users upgrade to 1.5 just yet since I've seen problems related to nio and file locking, not to mention it's brand new and probably full of a new batch of bugs. -- Jay Oliveri GnuPG ID: 0x5AA5DD54 Freenet Project Developer http://sf.net/users/joliveri ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
hi, when i run freenet.exe i get this error, Could not find the main class. Program will exit. with title, Java Virtual Machine Launcher. i am using WinXP with JDK 1.4.2 i downloaded all files it asks during installation and place them under the folder that contains freenet.exe any ideas!! ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
Hmm. Download the files and put in a temp folder. Then run freenet-webinstall.exe. This will install into some other folder, without downloading the files again, will detect the JVM, set up the config file, and so on. On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 02:55:36PM +, Tahir Raza wrote: hi, when i run freenet.exe i get this error, Could not find the main class. Program will exit. with title, Java Virtual Machine Launcher. i am using WinXP with JDK 1.4.2 i downloaded all files it asks during installation and place them under the folder that contains freenet.exe any ideas!! -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
Yes. If you just downloaded freenet.exe, and then some other random files, and put them in a folder, and run freenet.exe, then that's really useless. You should *install* freenet, by running the *installer*. So either, as Toad says, download all the files manually, put them in a folder, and run freenet-webinstall.exe Or just download and run freenet-webinstall.exe... it kinda does everything automatically (it's almost smart, in fact) Hmm. Download the files and put in a temp folder. Then run freenet-webinstall.exe. This will install into some other folder, without downloading the files again, will detect the JVM, set up the config file, and so on. On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 02:55:36PM +, Tahir Raza wrote: hi, when i run freenet.exe i get this error, Could not find the main class. Program will exit. with title, Java Virtual Machine Launcher. i am using WinXP with JDK 1.4.2 i downloaded all files it asks during installation and place them under the folder that contains freenet.exe any ideas!! -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
On Wednesday 22 September 2004 11:46 am, Newsbyte wrote: hi, when i run freenet.exe i get this error, Could not find the main class. Program will exit. with title, Java Virtual Machine Launcher. i am using WinXP with JDK 1.4.2 i downloaded all files it asks during installation and place them under the folder that contains freenet.exe any ideas!! See Toad's response in another thread. I don't understand shite of what you are saying. Then why are you responding, and rudely even? I don't think English is his first language.. sound familiar? JDK? Isn't that the development kit? Yes it is. And besides,of all JVM build 1.4.2 is the least recommended, because there have been reported some problems with it (though mostly for linux and some specific subbuilds). You did notice he's running XP, and that the problems with 1.4.2 occur with some installs of BSD and OSX. I also don't understand what you mean with 'place them under the folder'. Under windows, you don't have to place anything under the folder afterwards. You just install JVM 1.5.x (preferably), and you install freenet as described on the downloadpage of the main site, or on www.freenethelp.org. It auto-installs everything in both cases, and it should find the stuff and work like a sharm. well, in theory. Since this is a 'support' list, be supportive and not critical, especially if you know little about Java. I suspect he attempted the install manually, and will quickly discover his own error. -- Jay Oliveri GnuPG ID: 0x5AA5DD54 Freenet Project Developer http://sf.net/users/joliveri ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
Then why are you responding, and rudely even? I don't think English is his first language.. sound familiar? Indeed, but you are mistaken in the perceived familiarity. It had/has NOTHING to do with his english, or spelling, or grammar. I just don't understand shite what he was trying to say, since with a normal install you don't need to move anything. As for the word 'shite'; dunno if that is all that rude: I took it from a bunch of Scotsmen that I knew, and they used it often, and in various contexts, which wasn't all that rude, actually. You did notice he's running XP, and that the problems with 1.4.2 occur with some installs of BSD and OSX. Which is what I said. And yet, people have come forth with problems with 1.4.2, even on windows. Probably not enough to indicate a firm correlation, let alone a causality, but seen that no similar problems as yet have occured with the 1.5.x, it's in any case a more sound advice to use that build. And btw, it was with linux as well, in the past. We've been over this before, and I know your opinion about this, but I don't follow it. It's like saying: that boat sails fine, if you don't use it with southern winds. Well, maybe, but it still makes more sense to use a boat that has shown no problems, whether using southern winds or not. Since this is a 'support' list, be supportive and not critical, especially if you know little about Java. I suspect he attempted the install manually, and will quickly discover his own error. Saying : you don't have to place anything under the folder afterwards. You just install JVM 1.5.x (preferably), and you install freenet as described on the downloadpage of the main site, or on www.freenethelp.org. It auto-installs everything in both cases, and it should find the stuff and work like a sharm. was support, since I told him what to do, at least IMHO. As far as I can see it, it was reasonably sane advice too. But whether you agree with that or not, it does not turn support into non-support. Critique, if any, was very mild in this post, and it's on itself not in contradiction with being supportive anyhow. If someone asks a question, and I ask if he already looked at freenethelp, it may be construed as being a form of critique, but it doesn't change the fact it's support as well. I can hardly see 'you will discover your own fault' as being more supportive, in any case. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
