Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
Really people, can we take the advocacy to chat or private email? Oh and btw, the number of nodes on freenet is ~ 4000-16000. On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 07:53:38PM -0400, Michael R. Stork wrote: David Masover wrote: an excuse to tell them how ignorant they are for not doing it your way I was suggesting my way. I wasn't implying that anyone was stupid. Perhaps it wasn't you that made the first comment, but the first person who started talking about Linux in this thread did so by implying that doing anything other then installing Linux was stupid and a waste of time. If that wasn't you, then you just jumped on the Linux rant after that. niche that's not going to be supported by the mainstream. And, if it I suspect that this niche would include much of freenet. If I don't even trust my ISP, how am I supposed to trust Microsoft? I NEVER said I trusted Microsoft ! I don't even really like Microsoft, and I agree that Windows isn't a great OS. What I disagree with is your assertion that it's possible to do all the same things with Linux as you can with Windows. Yes, there is more software being produced now that will run under Linux, but there's no where near the same variety. ever does take off, and surplant Windows as the standard, then the hackers will just start writing their malicious code to infect it, and It's already got something like 25-30% of the web server market. Don't you think they've been trying? Maybe it's the open-source nature, or the engineering of these systems that makes them more secure? And ? You're just helping make my point. 25-30% of a small portion of the total computer market is what in terms of totla number of computers ? I'm still guessing it's less then 1%. Most of Freenet, how many Freenet nodes are out there ? 2500 or so ? Again, a small niche market. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Linux. I've said several times now, that I agree that Linux is more secure then Windows, I just think that using any oppurtunity to try to push it is just plain stupid. The average computer user, not technician or programmer, is running Windows. When they ask for help configuring a piece of software, so that Freenet works ON THIER SYSTEM, telling them to go out and buy another system to install Linux on, or that they should wipe their existing OS and run Linux, just so that they can run a Freenet node is moronic. If you want to expand Freenet, the way to do it is not by making it seem like the only way to do so is on a Linux system. As to responding more intelligently then the ranter, well I'd say that isn't all that tough to do. What is hard to do is is to have a reasonable discussion when the other person chops out the majority of your post, and then responds to a small snippet as if that were it's entirety. (Yes, I snipped a bunch from this last post, cheifly the more insulting crap.) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [freenet-support] Norton Firewall
Now that we have let off the steam, did anyone ever really try to answer this nice person's questions to her satisfaction? Sorry about stirring up the hornet's nest, but I do get tired of some insisting everyone should throw away all their hard- and soft ware and get with the ONLY worthy system. Yeah, I like to play with my Linux installation, but when I just want to get someWORK done I use what I've found to does the job in this lifetime. Even though I have at least two machine running most of the time and one of them is seldom attached to the net and never networked with the one running Freenet, my infestation problems are rarely significant. Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to: 1) Find the IP address of my NAT or Firewall. The FAQ says to consult my manual but I can't find this information. 2) Configure your NAT or firewall to forward connections to the listenPort number that you noted in the previous step, to the same port on your computer. I tried some things that seemed to work but I just want to make sure I'm doing it exactly right and not letting more than I need to through my firewall. Thanks. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [freenet-support] Norton Firewall
1) Find the IP address of my NAT or Firewall. The FAQ says to consult my manual but I can't find this information. check http://www.whatismyip.com/ it displays your ip from their POV which is the IP the freenet nodes have to use. if your ISP dispconnects you every-so-often and you therefore have a changing ip check out servides like http://www.no-ip.com/ or http://www.dyndns.com/ which will create a static name for your dynamic ip. then you have to update your freenet.ini/conf to use this NAME instead of a fixed ip value (i think my statement is correct) 2) Configure your NAT or firewall to forward connections to the listenPort number that you noted in the previous step, to the same port on your computer. I tried some things that seemed to work but I just want to make sure I'm doing it exactly right and not letting more than I need to through my firewall. check the NAT's documentation about port forwarding. you have to forward external_ip:freenet_port to internal_ip:freenet_port where external_ip is the one whatismyip.com gave you and internal_ip is the ip of your computer running freenet from within the LAN, freenet_port is the listenport= value from freenet.ini/conf HTH ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael R. Stork wrote: | U, no offense, but are you just being intentionally argumentative ? No, just trying to clear up a possible misconception. Some people have this idea that there's some huge difference between a personal computer and a server. There's also an idea that you need a firewall, or that a firewall automatically makes you secure. In general, people who don't understand security will look at some new security product and assume it makes them more secure -- and they will, of course, believe that they are vulnerable. There's another email I sent last night which _was_ intentionally argumentative. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM7zN3gHNmZLgCUhAQJ6yBAAnClfUvQ89ENWhFgWzcb6JbN4hJPgbL/L 2b+VoUGra5QGjkpxnB/rnf5GGihMXmRLpYkH/NkQvDxcI8VmBwcIhU3DL6dz/T3F MJ6kETVXFqziKXyIQpiWTVWs4Lf41u/BBJVBOr/MVor99usS6hkLR0YesE1MAhwu H5qxD6uDkmWJHsAFrlly70ZNM6Xlq/u6Kah0JIO1UITBv+nydVBqBDtuA9RbQlgt qQM+PFhUGumtiMbwivdaZCUJyTplKbjN1Kd080e0K4b1nN+nZQ3yRrQ2ah+d82XO tghD5c3+8d7Nx3md+ymZwbGQ3Pmi+yt145izznVeuepzMsYCr0lWXeoiIzZrhovr p8llBwZUbal6v7uuYCXgB0sUU9zZWINYkGo/yUV64qFv7E49LVPlcZrWw7hQhq3A OLTjs90CCxubS7Fq4OiipzqwlKjF71xzpPxf04Y3p0mZoMLjefNaJiII+K4RRZK8 1R95ijIPAccs8Vc6MGnxlyMlKljv4f1s7m9V0Mki/Omzw8Tc5DNXlko6LyydrpXB K9XVHLRXJOy6eG7DfIAzrR+BR6k+Wi4yPGrW/60TBOvbNxlz/GHHghrMSeKsbM9m ON1jBPZm24bdSTWbZ8oOjoanlt/zya7OTC4VoBap2D41y2ZE6F2liiaiTN4wqaOl Jt6axcZT+WA= =gsH9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 07:45:46AM -0500, David Masover wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Madeline Brubaker wrote: | Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security | Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software. Yes, I'm a Linux nut. My attitude towards Windows boxes is: almost all Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to them, including my full name. Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD). Second most secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian. Practical solution: find a very old computer to use as a Linux firewall/router. Only firewall connections to your Windows boxes -- and this isn't even needed if you do NAT. Set this up as your Freenet machine, and you don't have to worry about firewalls -- just allow connections to fproxy from internal network. Run Firefox as a browser for Freenet. If it's a very old computer it may not be able to run Freenet adequately. I know most people aren't concerned enough about security to care that someone might get at their files. Most people who are, and most people who use Linux even, are not concerned enough about security to run Freenet. If you care enough to run Freenet, you should care enough to run more secure software elsewhere. If you run Internet Explorer, for instance, all that security goes out the window. Heh. Well, not everyone who runs Freenet is as paranoid as some of our users are. :) -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 12:15:09AM -0400, Michael R. Stork wrote: David Masover wrote: Michael R. Stork wrote: [...] | a hardware firewall and NAT. I wouldn't connect any PC direct to a | cable/DSL line. I would. A linux one. Or better, a BSD one. With daily updates. The firewall really wouldn't help all that much for me, although I do use NAT as an effective firewall for the internal network. U, no offense, but are you just being intentionally argumentative ? My post started out by saying that I agreed with the original poster that Linux was more secure then Windows, but that since most people aren't going to take the time to hook up a linux box between their primary PC and the internet, or use Linux as their primary OS, the alternative was to use a router and to NOT hook their PC directly to a cable/DSL connection. LRP makes it pretty easy. However a router is easier still. Of course it complicates Freenet and just about any other P2P having a NAT device... and if you get a router, get a good one, because the crap ones can't cope with Freenet... anyway the original poster probably isn't even subscribed and therefore can't see any of this :). Mike S. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux vs Windows was (Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall)
Because the solution he offered was actually reasonably practical. For a lot of people anyway. Maybe not trivial but certainly not hard, and probably not expensive. However we are straying dangerously close to advocacy here... On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 12:25:15AM -0400, Michael R. Stork wrote: David Masover wrote: | What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) Point taken. But Linux kernel vs Norton userspace? About the third time I've said so on this list, but I just turn off the _services_ that I don't use, and people get denied anyway, with no special firewall. What's the big deal, if I'm not running Windows? David I really don't think anyone is arguing that Linux isn't more secure then Windows, but you're discussing apples and oranges here. Most people are NOT using Linux, therefore the average discussion is, by default, going to be based on Windows unless they've specified otherwise. Jumping into these discussions and citing Linux examples is pretty much useless, especially when the thread was someone asking how to install/configure a piece of WINDOWS software on a WINDOWS based system. Shout the advantages of Linux as much as you'd like, in threads ON linux, but what is the point of trying to muddy up a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Linux, just because you feel it's a better system ? This would be like me going onto a board discussing how to do engine repair on a Honda and throwing out tips on how to fix a Dodge, in every thread ! Just my $.02 Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Norton Firewall
:) Good point. Personally I've never used Norton even on a Windows machine.. maybe somebody here has. On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 02:08:00AM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote: Now that we have let off the steam, did anyone ever really try to answer this nice person's questions to her satisfaction? Sorry about stirring up the hornet's nest, but I do get tired of some insisting everyone should throw away all their hard- and soft ware and get with the ONLY worthy system. Yeah, I like to play with my Linux installation, but when I just want to get some WORK done I use what I've found to does the job in this lifetime. Even though I have at least two machine running most of the time and one of them is seldom attached to the net and never networked with the one running Freenet, my infestation problems are rarely significant. Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to: 1) Find the IP address of my NAT or Firewall. The FAQ says to consult my manual but I can't find this information. 2) Configure your NAT or firewall to forward connections to the listenPort number that you noted in the previous step, to the same port on your computer. I tried some things that seemed to work but I just want to make sure I'm doing it exactly right and not letting more than I need to through my firewall. Thanks. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 05:46:24PM -0500, David Masover wrote: | I had an external firewall only that sat between the cable modem and the | house LAN, but there was a problem; someone else on the LAN got a worm | (they aren't as savvy) and I was running Windows without a firewall, and | with file sharing turned on. I lost a lot of time ;) Exactly why I don't run windows ;) This sort of sh*t would happen on Linux if more idiots ran Linux... | My point is; sometimes people run Windows. If anyone could explain how they | got their Norton Firewall running it would probably be helpful. Alright, point taken. I still would say: tell them first that they need to be more secure than Norton Firewall, and give them the resources (how-to's) to do it. Then tell them how to fix Norton Firewall, if they still want to do it that way. Agreed. | | |Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD). Second most |secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian. | | | FreeBSD above Debian Stable? :) Yes :P I HATE Debian Stable. Debian Testing is tolerable. Gentoo is God. (bicker, bicker, bicker) LOL. Snip distribution advocacy | This is great, but above some people's technical skills. Freenet is easy | enough for a novice to install, and we have many of them as our userbase to | an extent. And firefox isn't? Last I checked, freenet is a hell of a lot harder to install than firefox or thunderbird. Also, novices can usually follow step-by-step directions, and novices who want to use Freenet should probably be given a notice as to where to find such directions for how to secure themselves -- at least moderately. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Norton Firewall
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 03:01:24PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Find the IP address of my NAT or Firewall. The FAQ says to consult my manual but I can't find this information. check http://www.whatismyip.com/ it displays your ip from their POV which is the IP the freenet nodes have to use. if your ISP dispconnects you every-so-often and you therefore have a changing ip check out servides like http://www.no-ip.com/ or http://www.dyndns.com/ which will create a static name for your dynamic ip. then you have to update your freenet.ini/conf to use this NAME instead of a fixed ip value (i think my statement is correct) You will definitely need a dyndns account unless you happen to KNOW you have a static address. *IF* you are behind a router. But you probably aren't since you are using Norton. So don't worry about it, Freenet should detect the IP automatically. 2) Configure your NAT or firewall to forward connections to the listenPort number that you noted in the previous step, to the same port on your computer. I tried some things that seemed to work but I just want to make sure I'm doing it exactly right and not letting more than I need to through my firewall. check the NAT's documentation about port forwarding. you have to forward external_ip:freenet_port to internal_ip:freenet_port where external_ip is the one whatismyip.com gave you and internal_ip is the ip of your computer running freenet from within the LAN, freenet_port is the listenport= value from freenet.ini/conf You are probably not using a NAT so you don't need port forwarding. You DO need to configure Norton to allow incoming connections on the listenPort (check your freenet.ini for a line like listenPort=12345). HTH -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
I would respond to this, but this is DEFINITELY getting off-topic. Please take distribution/OS advocacy to chat. On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 06:04:59PM -0500, David Masover wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nicholas Sturm wrote: | Dear | |Madeline Brubaker: | | | Please excuse the nuts around here that seem to be as much of a | problem as Apple lovers once were. Ooh! Ooh! I smell a rant! Please excuse my response to being called a nut. | I don't particularly like some of Window's creations, but even though | Linus releases are getting slowly more usable for ordinary people, | they still do not have enough clones of the most desirable applictions Name some you'd miss. I'll bet money that there are enough clones. As sarcastic and annoyed as I sound, I'm usually a nice person, and I promise I'll find an option that works. And do remember what Linus is releasing. Linus releases the kernel. The windows equivalent can probably be found somewhere like C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\KERNEL.DLL. Go tell me how useful for ordenary people that file strikes you. Or do you mean the applications that run on top of Linux? I guess that's a pretty safe assumption. But Linus didn't touch those, and most run as easily on BSD, Solaris, OS X, and even Windows. | to make them useful to most of us that are not just playing with | computers. My turn for a one-sided rant. I hope I seem a bit more informed. I suppose my parents are not ordinary people. Maybe my brother isn't ordinary either. Or my boss. And yet, they all have the unusual ability to use a Linux computer without just playing with it. Oh, and let's not forget: Apache was developed on Linux, and later ported to Windows. Apache is the most popular web server on the planet. ~ But I guess ordinary people never run their own web sites. What about Sendmail? Admittedly, I don't use it -- I use qmail, one of 3 or 4 MTA options for Linux. Sendmail is, however, the most popular MTA, period. But ordinary people obviously don't run mail servers. The mere thought! Ooh, and let's not forget the things that have been done better. Do ordinary people chat, or do instant messaging? I have gaim, a very small, very fast program that does 4-5 different IM protocols in one program, sharing one buddy list. And, of course, ordinary people might want to write code for pay. Or play games. Or surf the Internet. Or send email. I can do all that on Linux. And by the way, how many ordinary people use Freenet? As an honest question, what is it that you ordinary people can't do on Linux? Or OS X? Or BSD? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4vGngHNmZLgCUhAQIahg/7BfcUvwt7PF2UwGZarxYbAz5EqTQMv5jP FNbPJ/BJ0mKPx1RXtw51UeUIOViSzJmYg2YVZIPyVAF2NgQF+/O9rCOtfjHvinjU +IGU+qX6iH4+rXtZGKLDW0cqiKYyoNERm3wl0kyI+/DqG8AE1pxTMqSuyeny3ssf DvPNKCzq//GPRBZq2T9lj8d2yb55vArgsfe27onUMczsRfArhyZZpQNFu/Gz10Wq +F7EHdUNix/3QoUuHvBJA7+wgscFQuMRt/32UdOv1N3j/mMa5F+VUAdgnwwSNLjC BbKNJFbVS88sCQhRLQjd8Y3xcgpRdpi3L3WvAxINlXQNbzdQsGPm41kEA7Ybm3jj CqBQz9dZ/yEFgtHPdxjuWJL6KmURB5LXfWPBrs3zaqrzccC7VeVBXPqhIFVw0jM6 yMn0SANA686UQTLvXyZIjNINeTm9ytm+K+4lc37cDb7KG/XO/1PKnEiLDoEPtRAe OLDgdi9vJMIb2Tt5cyZq6tRsJ9LDHq7XHJeWGFbGl3kbB7tH7pSNGNUzvYEpJumC GGLsBpMhHzCVZ95cglXxDyfEwNUIwe9SSFHFlypoETBUKsGy17foofRj6Bz9J1Tr rr7cmBU7A43+Y8Bkl2lPZgs00flhRZBoYCnX/JB4NhzIf/f1v6vpWTyTqNlzjWl2 Ag0DLc0RGe4= =rfpi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Norton Firewall
If you are just using NIS and connecting directly to the DSL modem/cable modem, then you just need to tell NIS to allow incoming connections on the listenPort... you probably don't need to set ipAddress. And if you do, on a dynamic DNS system, it probably would be a bad idea anyway. On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 11:14:46PM -0400, Michael R. Stork wrote: Madeline Brubaker wrote: Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to: 1) Find the IP address of my NAT or Firewall. The FAQ says to consult my manual but I can't find this information. It depends on whether or not you're using a router. If you aren't, then go to a command prompt (DOS prompt) and type IPconfig. (this is the command for XP, it'll be slightly different under different OS) This will give you the IP of your computer. If you are, go to the router console, this will usually involve opening your browser and entering the URL of the router, typically 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1. If you've added a password, you'll be prompted for it. Once you're in the console, look for a tab that says Status. Look under the WAN heading for the IP address. This will be your broadcast IP, what's seen by the internet, and that's what you need to enter. The LAN IP will just be the local IP of your PC within your own little network, and will be something similiar to the router's URL (192.168.1.xxx) or (192.168.0.xxx). This IP is only important for when you configure the router or firewall port to pass any requests for your freenet port to the PC that's hosting the node. Hope this helps. Feel free to e-mail me direct if you need further assistance. Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
This is off-topic, but illustrates some attitudes around here that are not helpful for a Freenet Support list. On Monday 14 June 2004 06:46 pm, David Masover wrote: Jay Oliveri wrote: | On Monday 14 June 2004 08:45 am, David Masover wrote: |Madeline Brubaker wrote: || Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security || Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to | |Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software. | |Yes, I'm a Linux nut. My attitude towards Windows boxes is: almost | all Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything | to them, including my full name. | | However, I must also use Windows; I am a musician who uses Cakewalk | Sonar on I have to use Windows also -- I need my Natural Selection. That said, I refuse to let Windows store my Steam password, and only use it to install NS, because the installer doesn't work on Wine. | XP; nothing like it exists for Linux, regardless of what some people | say about the various sound projects still in their relative infancy. | I use Speaking of which, have you tried Wine for this? Do keep trying other projects as well, btw -- check out ardour.sf.net -- infancy? Feels much smoother than Pro Tools to me. Are you qualified to make a comparison between Ardour and Pro Tools? Have you done extensive recording with Pro Tools and Sonar? If/when Ardour reaches 3.x it may be able to compete with Sonar 3. Currently it doesn't do MIDI sequencing, and all of today's music regardless of the genre uses sequencing (yes I know it's a DAW, but Sonar is a DAW and sequencer among other things). This is all based on the experience I gained from recording 3 albums on 2 different labels. For that matter, you might take some time to learn some code -- math/programming and music skills go hand in hand, and it solves the problem of being an end-user. Rather than whining about a missing feature, you go write it. Not that whining is bad, just that coding can be a lot more fun and productive. You didn't read my signature did you? Check the C code in FCPtools and let me know if that shows programming skill. I have a BA degree in CS and code for a living. Now I also write music. So during the day I program for a living. I code on the Freenet Project for no money in my spare time, and I write record songs for my current musical project (which doesn't pay much either). Are you realistically saying that I should *also* code a DAW in addition to managing a band and composing? Get real. Anyhow, if I were you, I'd have a separate computer (an older one) to use for stuff you want to be secure, and use your windows computer for stuff that you back up a lot. Which I do. | Norton AntiVirus on Windows (not *their* firewall) and the XP firewall | to simply block everything. While working in Sonar I usually just | disconnect the network connection from within XP. Try unplugging the cable? I wouldn't trust XP any farther than I can sled on an install disk. I'd either keep the cable unplugged from my first boot or assume it was already infected. Then you know nothing about Windows. I've been able to secure Windows since the NT days; and it was harder back then. Microsoft has recently been forced to address the security issues inherent in their *install* of Windows. Windows basically installs with everything wide open, so that all the end-user apps will work properly. This doesn't mean you cannot tighten Windows, and the US government uses a heavily modified install of Windows that is quite tight; you can search for the documents on how this is done. Being that this is a support list, support those who have questions in things you have answers for and ignore the rest. And let those who wish to remain ignorant of the technical details remain so. -- Jay Oliveri GnuPG ID: 0x5AA5DD54 FCPTools Maintainer www.sf.net/users/joliveri ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
Jay Oliveri wrote: Being that this is a support list, support those who have questions in things you have answers for and ignore the rest. And let those who wish to remain ignorant of the technical details remain so. Jay Thank you ! You summed up rather nicely what I was trying to get across. If someone wants to install Linux rather then Windows, then they'll do so. If they're curious, then they'll ask about it. But if someone is asking for an answer to a very specific question, then turning it into an excuse to tell them how ignorant they are for not doing it your way seems rather counter to the concept of a support group. And while there is a group out there that feels that the sun rises and sets on Linux, until the number of systems running it comes even close to 1% of the number of computers currently in use, all it is is a small niche that's not going to be supported by the mainstream. And, if it ever does take off, and surplant Windows as the standard, then the hackers will just start writing their malicious code to infect it, and it'll be some other niche group ranting about how secure their systems are. Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
so. If they're curious, then they'll ask about it. But if someone is asking for an answer to a very specific question, then turning it into If someone asks Does anyone know how to make crispy bagels in the microwave and I suggest using a toaster instead for that particular task, then I'm not directly answering their question, but I may be helping them more than someone who says Sure, you just use a blowtorch on them afterwards or something. That's a bit of an extreme analogy -- I admit Windows isn't quite as bad as toasting bagels in the microwave. Not quite. an excuse to tell them how ignorant they are for not doing it your way I was suggesting my way. I wasn't implying that anyone was stupid. niche that's not going to be supported by the mainstream. And, if it I suspect that this niche would include much of freenet. If I don't even trust my ISP, how am I supposed to trust Microsoft? ever does take off, and surplant Windows as the standard, then the hackers will just start writing their malicious code to infect it, and It's already got something like 25-30% of the web server market. Don't you think they've been trying? Maybe it's the open-source nature, or the engineering of these systems that makes them more secure? They are already more stable. There are Linux machines that have been running for years. Is that because it's a niche market? I doubt Windows 98 would be any more stable if only 1% of the market used it. it'll be some other niche group ranting about how secure their systems are. Either ignore rants or respond to them more intelligently than the ranter. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
If it's a very old computer it may not be able to run Freenet adequately. It should. I know it isn't. Freenet uses 100% CPU wherever I run it. Heh. Well, not everyone who runs Freenet is as paranoid as some of our users are. :) They are patient enough with its slowness to be that paranoid :) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
David Masover wrote: an excuse to tell them how ignorant they are for not doing it your way I was suggesting my way. I wasn't implying that anyone was stupid. Perhaps it wasn't you that made the first comment, but the first person who started talking about Linux in this thread did so by implying that doing anything other then installing Linux was stupid and a waste of time. If that wasn't you, then you just jumped on the Linux rant after that. niche that's not going to be supported by the mainstream. And, if it I suspect that this niche would include much of freenet. If I don't even trust my ISP, how am I supposed to trust Microsoft? I NEVER said I trusted Microsoft ! I don't even really like Microsoft, and I agree that Windows isn't a great OS. What I disagree with is your assertion that it's possible to do all the same things with Linux as you can with Windows. Yes, there is more software being produced now that will run under Linux, but there's no where near the same variety. ever does take off, and surplant Windows as the standard, then the hackers will just start writing their malicious code to infect it, and It's already got something like 25-30% of the web server market. Don't you think they've been trying? Maybe it's the open-source nature, or the engineering of these systems that makes them more secure? And ? You're just helping make my point. 25-30% of a small portion of the total computer market is what in terms of totla number of computers ? I'm still guessing it's less then 1%. Most of Freenet, how many Freenet nodes are out there ? 2500 or so ? Again, a small niche market. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Linux. I've said several times now, that I agree that Linux is more secure then Windows, I just think that using any oppurtunity to try to push it is just plain stupid. The average computer user, not technician or programmer, is running Windows. When they ask for help configuring a piece of software, so that Freenet works ON THIER SYSTEM, telling them to go out and buy another system to install Linux on, or that they should wipe their existing OS and run Linux, just so that they can run a Freenet node is moronic. If you want to expand Freenet, the way to do it is not by making it seem like the only way to do so is on a Linux system. As to responding more intelligently then the ranter, well I'd say that isn't all that tough to do. What is hard to do is is to have a reasonable discussion when the other person chops out the majority of your post, and then responds to a small snippet as if that were it's entirety. (Yes, I snipped a bunch from this last post, cheifly the more insulting crap.) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
David Masover wrote: so. If they're curious, then they'll ask about it. But if someone is asking for an answer to a very specific question, then turning it into If someone asks Does anyone know how to make crispy bagels in the microwave and I suggest using a toaster instead for that particular task, then I'm not directly answering their question, but I may be helping them more than someone who says Sure, you just use a blowtorch on them afterwards or something. That's a bit of an extreme analogy -- I admit Windows isn't quite as bad as toasting bagels in the microwave. Not quite. Yes that's an extreme analogy, and not the most accurate one. What would be more appropriate for the current circumstances would be someone saying that they have an electric range, and want a good recipe for making beef stew. And you telling them that electric is no good, that before they do anything else they need to rip out their stove and install a gas one. Oh and beef isn't good for them anyway so here's this really tasty tofu recipe. The poster asked a rather simple and direct question, which was then turned into a soap-box for the perils of running Freenet on a Windows based system. Now if that person hasn't decided that this whole Freenet thing is way too complicated and that she wants no part of it, I'd be surprised. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael R. Stork wrote: | making beef stew. And you telling them that electric is no good, that | before they do anything else they need to rip out their stove and | install a gas one. Oh and beef isn't good for them anyway so here's this | really tasty tofu recipe. Tofu, maybe. Replace grill? I'd at least mention to them that gas is better, and that since they can't have gas, they might as well adjust the cooking times to make the electric work better. I didn't intend it to be nasty or bossy, sorry it got read that way. | based system. Now if that person hasn't decided that this whole Freenet | thing is way too complicated and that she wants no part of it, I'd be | surprised. If the person has been watching this thread, she either agrees with me or thinks the same of me as you do. Don't be too worried :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM9Qz3gHNmZLgCUhAQLJkBAAg9VoYxy1LYwPA85A4DprvG7TQPs4BiqB noUoUQXTq1TAMY+ifrpRPw9fp0rL+X5od9KPFPHKwP/84aMLRdwwof7ilIM8Qn7w THYYLohxlW8DOMZ6Gpbpw/Kcg1CVZW+sj2XBmRm7sW6jpEIjjOlpOVuoCoZ3ouH9 8Do90DKJvAlAVuRYOxx44rsOEfE+PiEh8qKvgT3Qbaq25b0uAprcCIlOF9DO9VXX J69afTw1rk6Q+y0k8QZrUfl8OQl+Rlt4nar6mFcybUR0XywaURKQzNXPfTjReGDu BPTS9RChASazy0rpw1fn3kG+hoQWWJHFVLt03ba/stmHmsOII+fPpq8Om/Rhj5DU AEttThVv1bBfLSV4j05m8pJxXZSFnwV4qm1erhbjD4TZUfCFRRrH1+7iuXYrgg3J VE/Oe39y/StvO48IV1uErrwpqYIBeeBHO4xRPzCJBgq80cE4rYLIgJZ3Sf+hrnMA V0FbRADLusXb0J+2iAEur3M15SmMCcspZdYChP5N4CEWrcbPtGqbuW0r0+Hmlb/Z 34VHog3vkgt9hnrFdsM3Y9DY46Mb1W7cQ/HEYwLPlXR2LevaZc1qWzDJ7F5f23ch l5R8ZvI0AzE72rgk5DQaDFCnN7prdfo20DL8tu2D3dZjhL+4MJ6kPU2UJGBHyrp5 YbcY8JqF+NY= =XeXw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael R. Stork wrote: | David Masover wrote: | | an excuse to tell them how ignorant they are for not doing it your way | | I was suggesting my way. I wasn't implying that anyone was stupid. | | Perhaps it wasn't you that made the first comment, but the first person | who started talking about Linux in this thread did so by implying that | doing anything other then installing Linux was stupid and a waste of | time. If that wasn't you, then you just jumped on the Linux rant after | that. Go back and re-read that, then. It was me, and this will be about the fourth time I've said that I never implied any such thing, and intended my comment to be taken as a suggestion. Think. If I really meant that doing anything other than installing Linux was stupid and a waste of time, then why did I then go on to suggest other things to do to help better secure Windows? | niche that's not going to be supported by the mainstream. And, if it | | | | I suspect that this niche would include much of freenet. If I don't even | trust my ISP, how am I supposed to trust Microsoft? | | I NEVER said I trusted Microsoft ! I don't even really like Microsoft, You are required to trust Microsoft in order to run Windows. If you don't believe me, go read the EULA -- particularly the ones on the most recent service packs. | and I agree that Windows isn't a great OS. What I disagree with is your | assertion that it's possible to do all the same things with Linux as you | can with Windows. Yes, there is more software being produced now that | will run under Linux, but there's no where near the same variety. No, there's not. But there is enough for most people, I think. A lot of Windows software works under Wine (on Linux) -- much of it out-of-the-box. They are different. If I want to run the latest games with no wait at all, or some very old accounting software, I run Windows. If I want to code, and email, | | ever does take off, and surplant Windows as the standard, then the | hackers will just start writing their malicious code to infect it, and | | | | It's already got something like 25-30% of the web server market. Don't | [...] | And ? You're just helping make my point. 25-30% of a small portion of Don't see how. I'd expect most permanent Freenet nodes to be set up for the purpose of publishing a Freesite, and therefore, be servers in the same way that web servers are. For that matter, your point is that Linux is secure because it's a niche market. Well, it happens to be a niche of boxes that many people would _love_ to crack into, I'm sure. | think that using any oppurtunity to try to push it is just plain stupid. Well, sure. If someone walked up to me and said Nice day, isn't it? and I said It'd be nicer on Linux, then that would be retarted. If someone walks up to me and asks what software for Windows would best send their top-secret corporate memos between executives only, I'd suggest Linux. I'd also suggest Thunderbird and Enigmail for Windows, in case they don't like the Linux idea. | Windows. When they ask for help configuring a piece of software, so that | Freenet works ON THIER SYSTEM, telling them to go out and buy another | system to install Linux on, or that they should wipe their existing OS | and run Linux, just so that they can run a Freenet node is moronic. If I didn't suggest any such thing. In fact, the suggestion to install Linux (possibly dual-boot, possibly Knoppix) was one of several suggestions -- the others being to put a Linux firewall in the way and to run Firefox. | you want to expand Freenet, the way to do it is not by making it seem | like the only way to do so is on a Linux system. Read above. Sorry I made it _seem_ like I was saying something I obviously didn't. | isn't all that tough to do. What is hard to do is is to have a | reasonable discussion when the other person chops out the majority of | your post, and then responds to a small snippet as if that were it's Do you really feel like I lose the gist of your reply by doing this? If so, you're free (as is anyone) to go in the archives (or even your own trash folder) and find your reply. If you want, I will start quoting the entire reply each time. Watch bandwidth usage skyrocket. (In case of a misunderstanding, I don't actually think that's what you want, and I understand what you meant.) | entirety. (Yes, I snipped a bunch from this last post, cheifly the more | insulting crap.) And how do you define insulting crap? Why are you more qualified than me to make that decision? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM9Ut3gHNmZLgCUhAQIX9A//VGiEm4JpoXTg4CbalooESLdqIElS0TSI rzEAJSyhyXHVgFY7fyExjeGCGun7fUmzPSrp7xaVqiMZL4CnLJDsS+9BgSlvu7mx TpDe3FQbg6oyeFH8TkwkKoI2Ye2OhtrWBOe511x/GVjC200JvtTk1Gr5SL3mKbzl dx2wqEfTW1SlYblWJm+pzZ9XplhM5bxyFhbGYeRFNKRXnL68HMM/zbc2zlQNK3Hz
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Madeline Brubaker wrote: | Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security | Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software. Yes, I'm a Linux nut. My attitude towards Windows boxes is: almost all Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to them, including my full name. Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD). Second most secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian. Practical solution: find a very old computer to use as a Linux firewall/router. Only firewall connections to your Windows boxes -- and this isn't even needed if you do NAT. Set this up as your Freenet machine, and you don't have to worry about firewalls -- just allow connections to fproxy from internal network. Run Firefox as a browser for Freenet. I know most people aren't concerned enough about security to care that someone might get at their files. Most people who are, and most people who use Linux even, are not concerned enough about security to run Freenet. If you care enough to run Freenet, you should care enough to run more secure software elsewhere. If you run Internet Explorer, for instance, all that security goes out the window. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM2d+ngHNmZLgCUhAQJDVRAAncNVd3mrEZvCHS3J4AvBJmSGCboeYfhr rjQ+IX3hnAFwruze+sOPDwdHJCjC7ZM/sZh9X4zmEP+J5O1UCcV9Ub31dCvkU2Z3 8+zkgWxskvrqIpYLkcKE8J8a3F3Qp0A7+C6hUiYB3nI2sSgUIMgGo45pzgMiKORe 2pNVyiUrFWTvHpUMSm0/TiOim/1sL1fZH02L5D07Jl6BwDeSuo+qcuYx/zyaCjN9 INUdyJ8VOJKfCPYvUukFryC4PBCZqQUF4cN//G7M4f6BTGO5cyGuuuNQ9Spp0pqe Q/Mcjh90VUwBHtbkBPG9qN1Nd6qtYPgWVXt4eTIm38LTiWDsXi+engNVNdtlZFpw JsWN+8rtVjXtZRU9LaNlgxD/TgSlo4SMkZ6EoqjL2cEKyCOi8hhIt7m2hD5g41sW isQ7B7g3cSEsU5Lt3xp61hkVQww5xNjyr6p3B0Jf06JQWbbpMp2MOdxl7p0VZ/2c cO9X953JMJYOJBiAAyBQjRChlY4lNzMdlorv78KCtylTpakUBI+MD4DhAUKSZL/r uIYWiKald0f/aGhYIK/a+zb6VvoNIaSrLnmScOdPWsbcFzLlYF0qnGwFzEMV6N9D WLw/4ce6AC8h6x7FqV2J7w3Q+PpcXBU6JPEHT+Vf+5vh237oikD0t5pJILSfjwsE r2hMRdEiNRs= =D5bU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
David Masover wrote: Madeline Brubaker wrote: | Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security | Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software. Yes, I'm a Linux nut. My attitude towards Windows boxes is: almost all Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to them, including my full name. I'm not a Linux nut, but I agree with this in principal. Just using a software firewall is totally insecure. Your best bet, if you don't want to bother setting up a Linux box to act as your go between, is to get a router. You can get a decent router for $35-$50, and that will give you a hardware firewall and NAT. I wouldn't connect any PC direct to a cable/DSL line. Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
I'm not a Linux nut, but I agree with this in principal. Just using a software firewall is totally insecure. Your best bet, if you don't want to bother setting up a Linux box to act as your go between, [...] What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) -- 5:45PM up 132 days, 3 hrs, 1 user, load averages: 0.15, 0.21, 0.24 Every non-empty totally disconnected perfect compact metric space is homeomorphic to the Cantor set. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
On Monday 14 June 2004 08:45 am, David Masover wrote: Madeline Brubaker wrote: | Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security | Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to Do yourself a favor, and don't run that software. Yes, I'm a Linux nut. My attitude towards Windows boxes is: almost all Windows boxes are so horribly insecure that I don't trust anything to them, including my full name. I've been a Debian zealot for about 6 years, and before that a Slackware 3.0 user, so I respect the position that Linux is great. However, I must also use Windows; I am a musician who uses Cakewalk Sonar on XP; nothing like it exists for Linux, regardless of what some people say about the various sound projects still in their relative infancy. I use Norton AntiVirus on Windows (not *their* firewall) and the XP firewall to simply block everything. While working in Sonar I usually just disconnect the network connection from within XP. I had an external firewall only that sat between the cable modem and the house LAN, but there was a problem; someone else on the LAN got a worm (they aren't as savvy) and I was running Windows without a firewall, and with file sharing turned on. I lost a lot of time ;) My point is; sometimes people run Windows. If anyone could explain how they got their Norton Firewall running it would probably be helpful. Most secure solution: install FreeBSD (or some other BSD). Second most secure soltuion: install Linux, preferrably Gentoo or Debian. FreeBSD above Debian Stable? :) Practical solution: find a very old computer to use as a Linux firewall/router. Only firewall connections to your Windows boxes -- and this isn't even needed if you do NAT. Set this up as your Freenet machine, and you don't have to worry about firewalls -- just allow connections to fproxy from internal network. Run Firefox as a browser for Freenet. This is great, but above some people's technical skills. Freenet is easy enough for a novice to install, and we have many of them as our userbase to an extent. -- Jay Oliveri GnuPG ID: 0x5AA5DD54 FCPTools Maintainer www.sf.net/users/joliveri ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a Linux nut, but I agree with this in principal. Just using a software firewall is totally insecure. Your best bet, if you don't want to bother setting up a Linux box to act as your go between, [...] What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) LOL Good point, perhaps I should have specified a windows based software firewall. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
Dear Madeline Brubaker: Please excuse the nuts around here that seem to be as much of a problem as Apple lovers once were. I don't particularly like some of Window's creations, but even though Linus releases are getting slowly more usable for ordinary people, they still do not have enough clones of the most desirable applictions to make them useful to most of us that are not just playing with computers. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael R. Stork wrote: [...] | a hardware firewall and NAT. I wouldn't connect any PC direct to a | cable/DSL line. I would. A linux one. Or better, a BSD one. With daily updates. The firewall really wouldn't help all that much for me, although I do use NAT as an effective firewall for the internal network. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4n9HgHNmZLgCUhAQLaaQ//SmLZWpl6gfz6eZXoZ/kCb8toSx8Ray4L Lrl6mBuPsI1XMBdYAGmkkcKyFCXeL85a7grvLjT6VtyetDQ43CvUtpKpgEKgmqAo pRjvsLQsG4IOTQ1STKVxLQQDeezHLOL9arSf+18sSpncWJ6rUNvP1wCK/gK3/guf hE6oyDzI0TyGYC1S7qXcFYkuL4lsee71XftB/VT/dm79kguVCmtL21lNTVGHEGey h0p/d9wwc6kwPSWacU/uUnUmnZqad0ctUdXbtQX9siJiDYolC9hjzUrboXUA0B+N yuCDWBY/Q7AGkXJwmduBeKUKsg83zMVIzBB5yq89xgKDNXxgTPZAph/Zc21fHHLT N4PNrML9/7ALiSYy3fhrH7flYmv39b0eJmDn2it+4IGZFiKSyFAArfExNGkvhE0m bABwUBbXFHtdKtnKeDXbF9OoQpatljJC9f9QU11PdN9eIxYZLnLTFN3WIbvJJMra aT0XO98BY1A5tNter0CFeiqNtp5kyvnibq4iS4ryim4PlaIgjKfjUdaMUzQ2HonZ r3e2W1VokEb2r31pOWhfR7HRLJFihN6wWi/+Vhb7l9jxo1iOci/VJRDhAmlpgC+M nEvFo5s/8j++wnCNo1gkWoV6/UdQgc8blkOI034+/oTbNXFigVyeqKGx7zyXTQTv e/R3LRPCyYA= =5K4u -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |I'm not a Linux nut, but I agree with this in principal. Just using a |software firewall is totally insecure. Your best bet, if you don't want |to bother setting up a Linux box to act as your go between, [...] | | | What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) Point taken. But Linux kernel vs Norton userspace? About the third time I've said so on this list, but I just turn off the _services_ that I don't use, and people get denied anyway, with no special firewall. What's the big deal, if I'm not running Windows? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4oVXgHNmZLgCUhAQI0sg//eL+y77oA0xBzv9gxRylpCIlROdbJPqkO +XadYQTwAckWsOYaeoOvRFrUWYc+JvqCtyIwIfOSvGsG49EY+6+plfvzbL7SXR1K vupaSZHjLUW0xomS6tG3vB5MawKE5n2tB4lPryomLmNIrLsv0CmW2L/i4IL8wNJA 9ZN7eNNxOjtcx+AGBphou9beR36xPK56a4Lfbv62Z07uZdANJp6pimEmfll81Kbl DSdocfIwss7liQn55FtqW63pOqddvhTRaN1uQCUcD3wgUxGV+Zd3zfsj8x9ReZjq niskllnBOuq7H+0MCL/nMQN+bA7PezznAUDohYaqxXZovuqI9IXk5WY84vs/znVy AaZKCnP87spjOfJtm70VRWEif7e+y5WbDRs4Xs6E2BmKRth3uYfU3nTUbIp0q/c2 Ywz3+MArLRKuIMCMh4RUutC9qbdCDH8w61PvLwtZKRD9jiknKhGebYLaEGlnLyac SL3zDrEzRH1OoFhqzs5sz+7GmzEoP2D3xOM9pY95HOdX/rzSMo3ekrYw5DvCHedj B+Bpz4Ct2YS+5wqGuLdA4xhT2x2n5tgKOljWUS27N6xxmZJclpmK350hi4vgYgBl T6ldiFM0diCKexVLrWBVaGBYVcgFclgrBWiw3QsEtM1Ep2xTUWOLXg87Q9wadH2d sOPzkMVRlPQ= =i7nH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nicholas Sturm wrote: | Dear | |Madeline Brubaker: | | | Please excuse the nuts around here that seem to be as much of a | problem as Apple lovers once were. Ooh! Ooh! I smell a rant! Please excuse my response to being called a nut. | I don't particularly like some of Window's creations, but even though | Linus releases are getting slowly more usable for ordinary people, | they still do not have enough clones of the most desirable applictions Name some you'd miss. I'll bet money that there are enough clones. As sarcastic and annoyed as I sound, I'm usually a nice person, and I promise I'll find an option that works. And do remember what Linus is releasing. Linus releases the kernel. The windows equivalent can probably be found somewhere like C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\KERNEL.DLL. Go tell me how useful for ordenary people that file strikes you. Or do you mean the applications that run on top of Linux? I guess that's a pretty safe assumption. But Linus didn't touch those, and most run as easily on BSD, Solaris, OS X, and even Windows. | to make them useful to most of us that are not just playing with | computers. My turn for a one-sided rant. I hope I seem a bit more informed. I suppose my parents are not ordinary people. Maybe my brother isn't ordinary either. Or my boss. And yet, they all have the unusual ability to use a Linux computer without just playing with it. Oh, and let's not forget: Apache was developed on Linux, and later ported to Windows. Apache is the most popular web server on the planet. ~ But I guess ordinary people never run their own web sites. What about Sendmail? Admittedly, I don't use it -- I use qmail, one of 3 or 4 MTA options for Linux. Sendmail is, however, the most popular MTA, period. But ordinary people obviously don't run mail servers. The mere thought! Ooh, and let's not forget the things that have been done better. Do ordinary people chat, or do instant messaging? I have gaim, a very small, very fast program that does 4-5 different IM protocols in one program, sharing one buddy list. And, of course, ordinary people might want to write code for pay. Or play games. Or surf the Internet. Or send email. I can do all that on Linux. And by the way, how many ordinary people use Freenet? As an honest question, what is it that you ordinary people can't do on Linux? Or OS X? Or BSD? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQM4vGngHNmZLgCUhAQIahg/7BfcUvwt7PF2UwGZarxYbAz5EqTQMv5jP FNbPJ/BJ0mKPx1RXtw51UeUIOViSzJmYg2YVZIPyVAF2NgQF+/O9rCOtfjHvinjU +IGU+qX6iH4+rXtZGKLDW0cqiKYyoNERm3wl0kyI+/DqG8AE1pxTMqSuyeny3ssf DvPNKCzq//GPRBZq2T9lj8d2yb55vArgsfe27onUMczsRfArhyZZpQNFu/Gz10Wq +F7EHdUNix/3QoUuHvBJA7+wgscFQuMRt/32UdOv1N3j/mMa5F+VUAdgnwwSNLjC BbKNJFbVS88sCQhRLQjd8Y3xcgpRdpi3L3WvAxINlXQNbzdQsGPm41kEA7Ybm3jj CqBQz9dZ/yEFgtHPdxjuWJL6KmURB5LXfWPBrs3zaqrzccC7VeVBXPqhIFVw0jM6 yMn0SANA686UQTLvXyZIjNINeTm9ytm+K+4lc37cDb7KG/XO/1PKnEiLDoEPtRAe OLDgdi9vJMIb2Tt5cyZq6tRsJ9LDHq7XHJeWGFbGl3kbB7tH7pSNGNUzvYEpJumC GGLsBpMhHzCVZ95cglXxDyfEwNUIwe9SSFHFlypoETBUKsGy17foofRj6Bz9J1Tr rr7cmBU7A43+Y8Bkl2lPZgs00flhRZBoYCnX/JB4NhzIf/f1v6vpWTyTqNlzjWl2 Ag0DLc0RGe4= =rfpi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall
David Masover wrote: Michael R. Stork wrote: [...] | a hardware firewall and NAT. I wouldn't connect any PC direct to a | cable/DSL line. I would. A linux one. Or better, a BSD one. With daily updates. The firewall really wouldn't help all that much for me, although I do use NAT as an effective firewall for the internal network. U, no offense, but are you just being intentionally argumentative ? My post started out by saying that I agreed with the original poster that Linux was more secure then Windows, but that since most people aren't going to take the time to hook up a linux box between their primary PC and the internet, or use Linux as their primary OS, the alternative was to use a router and to NOT hook their PC directly to a cable/DSL connection. Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux vs Windows was (Re: [freenet-support] norton firewall)
David Masover wrote: | What, a linux/unix box is *not* a software firewall? :) Point taken. But Linux kernel vs Norton userspace? About the third time I've said so on this list, but I just turn off the _services_ that I don't use, and people get denied anyway, with no special firewall. What's the big deal, if I'm not running Windows? David I really don't think anyone is arguing that Linux isn't more secure then Windows, but you're discussing apples and oranges here. Most people are NOT using Linux, therefore the average discussion is, by default, going to be based on Windows unless they've specified otherwise. Jumping into these discussions and citing Linux examples is pretty much useless, especially when the thread was someone asking how to install/configure a piece of WINDOWS software on a WINDOWS based system. Shout the advantages of Linux as much as you'd like, in threads ON linux, but what is the point of trying to muddy up a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with Linux, just because you feel it's a better system ? This would be like me going onto a board discussing how to do engine repair on a Honda and throwing out tips on how to fix a Dodge, in every thread ! Just my $.02 Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Norton Firewall
Madeline Brubaker wrote: Would someone step me through setting up Norton Internet Security Professional properly? I'm not entirely sure how to: 1) Find the IP address of my NAT or Firewall. The FAQ says to consult my manual but I can't find this information. It depends on whether or not you're using a router. If you aren't, then go to a command prompt (DOS prompt) and type IPconfig. (this is the command for XP, it'll be slightly different under different OS) This will give you the IP of your computer. If you are, go to the router console, this will usually involve opening your browser and entering the URL of the router, typically 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1. If you've added a password, you'll be prompted for it. Once you're in the console, look for a tab that says Status. Look under the WAN heading for the IP address. This will be your broadcast IP, what's seen by the internet, and that's what you need to enter. The LAN IP will just be the local IP of your PC within your own little network, and will be something similiar to the router's URL (192.168.1.xxx) or (192.168.0.xxx). This IP is only important for when you configure the router or firewall port to pass any requests for your freenet port to the PC that's hosting the node. Hope this helps. Feel free to e-mail me direct if you need further assistance. Mike S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
