Re: "Lost connection with server: Remote host closed connection."

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On 2023-01-12 22:40, Jack Sidebottom wrote:

HELP!


Why are you sending this to me rather than to the mailing list?
I'm just a Pidgin user like you.

I CC'd the list in the reply.


Pidgin updated to: *Pidgin 2.14.12*(libpurple 2.14.12) Worked last night, down again.� 
Message says "Lost connection with server: Remote host closed connection."

Pidgin Account settings:
Protocol: XMPP
Domain: lightwitch.org
Connect server: im.aria-net.site


Lightwitch has been unstable lately, contact them.


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Re: Mailing List Shutdown

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On 2023-01-09 22:44, Mark Rousell wrote:

Oh well.

Whilst I greatly prefer (as a recipient!) the simplicity of MM2 mail
lists, I can well appreciate not wanting to fight issues of spam
blocking and deliverability. It's very sad but I do understand.


IIRC, Discourse has an email interface.

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Re: "Certificate Expired " notice and multiple breaks in service since Nov

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On 2023-01-03 22:20, Jack Sidebottom wrote:

Connection was lost and "Certificate expired" notice with opportunity to 
review, reject, or accept available. I accepted, but the certificate really needs to be 
renewed/updated. This failed certificate auth. may be cause of broken connections.

Notice saying:  "The certificate for meaveen.lightwitch.org could not be validated.  The 
certificate claims to be from "*.akamaimesh.net" instead.  This could mean that you are 
not connecting to the service you believe you are."

Thanks for your untiring efforts to keep this venue available!

I tried desperately to figure out though the site how to report bugs - no go. 
Pulled this email address from the last time I contacted you.



Yup, browser also complains about it.

Suggestions:

1) Change meaveen.lightwitch.org to lightwitch.org in the account properties, 
as per https://lightwitch.org/xmpp-guide/pidgin-instructions

2) Complain on https://aria-net.org/SitePages/Portal/Contact-Us.aspx

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Re: purple-googlechat not working

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Speaking of the Google Chat plugin, is there a way to make it show offline buddies as actually 
"offline" rather than "away"?
The older Hangouts plugin used to get it right.

On 2022-10-11 19:04, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi!

When you say "refuses to connect" does anything show up at the bottom of
the buddy list?  Does disconnecting and reconnecting to the account (from
the Accounts->Manage Accounts screen, then tick and untick)?

Cheers,
Eion


On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 11:30,  wrote:


Hi,

I'm not sure how to contact the actual dev of the plugin but since day 1,
I've had issues trying to connect pidgin to the new gchat. Sometimes when I
bring my computer back from sleep mode, pidgin refuses to connect, or
reconnects after hours of no connection all at once. Usually the only
consistent way to reconnect to gchat is to restart my entire laptop, and
even then that hasn't worked the last few days. Any ideas how to go about
troubleshooting?

Thanks!


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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-07 12:11, Brian Morrison wrote:

Moderation? Count me out then!


Why?

If Gary removes a spammer's post from the the forum, how would it affect you?
It's not like he can reach into your mailbox and undeliver the message.


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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-07 08:37, Gary Kramlich wrote:

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:35 AM Mark Rousell  wrote:


On 06/10/2022 17:12, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:



I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.


Why does it matter?  Currently, the archives are open for the whole
Internet to see.


Agreed. There is no need to change the state of the archives (especially
if they stay where they currently are).


The issue with the current archives is that pipermail is a mailman 2
thing, and mailman 2 has been deprecated for mailman 3 for a while now
and it's not available in distro packager managers anymore. So
something needs to be figured out to turn it into a static site or
something else that's actually maintained.


The current archives are not searchable (or if they are, I could not find a way 
to easily search them), so I don't see a reason to keep them as they are.

My comment only concerned the anonymization.  I feel that anonymizing them any 
further than the current publicly-accessible archives is kind of pointless.

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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-06 19:24, Dave Warren wrote:

On 2022-10-06 12:14, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

On 2022-10-06 12:39, Brian Morrison wrote:

Exactly like? So it's a mailing list manager...


Apparently a hybrid.  I don't know how well they managed to pull that off, but 
they claim they have.


Better than anything else I have seen. Possibly not the best. It isn't perfect, 
especially because of things that happen on the web that can't in email (edits 
and moderation being prime examples).


Pidgin could use more users, and after Miranda NG gave up on Discord support, 
some people may decide to switch.  Having newbie-friendly support is important, 
and who knows, today's newbie may be tomorrow's contributor.


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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-06 12:53, David Woolley wrote:

The problem I'd have with pidgin as anything but pure email format would be 
that it is very low volume.  I don't like web sites being able to intrude, with 
notifications.


I fail to follow.  If anything, a web forum is /less/ intrusive than an email 
list, as you have better control over notifications.


Typically, what I find with support forums, is that the people making one time 
appearances, to ask a question, prefer forums, because they are fashionable, 
but those who stick around and answer tend to prefer mailing lists.  However 
both mailing list and forum camps can have a serious amount of religious 
fervour.


I prefer forums because they make it easier for me to find what I am looking 
for, even when it is questions to answer.


The risk with forums in high volume cases, is that they fragment, because lots 
of people want to own their own forum.


That may be true for purely social ones, but there is little reason for 
technical forums to fragment.


Even if mailing lists fragment, you can use mail filters to put them back 
together, albeit you still run the risk of the same question getting asked on 
all of them, and the complete answer being spread across them.


Pidgin is not that popular so there is little risk of its support forum/list to get 
anywhere close to "high volume".
(Compare to, say, Red Flag Deals https://forums.redflagdeals.com - 1.9M 
threads, 30M posts, 1.3M registered users.  Imagine managing that in a mailing 
list)

I would even say that the fact that Pidgin doesn't have a discussion forum more 
accessible to new users is more than a contributing factor.

Fragmenting is also not a risk, since the people will go where the developers 
are to answer their questions.

If Discourse can provide the mailing list experience to some and a web forum 
experience to others, I see it as the best compromise.

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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-06 12:39, Brian Morrison wrote:

Exactly like? So it's a mailing list manager...


Apparently a hybrid.  I don't know how well they managed to pull that off, but 
they claim they have.


I use the email interface to groups.io (I'd prefer not to have to, but
it is what it is) and I find that email to the groups.io group usually
have broken references headers and the threading is broken because of
this. I also see lots of replies to list and to me as well and it
drives me crazy.


Those are valid concerns, and I have asked on the Discourse metaforum.
I will follow up when I get a reply.


Mailing lists have worked for me for way over 35 years so I am
resistant to change.


I've used BBSes (V.22bis dial-up), mailing lists, Usenet, various proprietary 
"groups", and Web Forums of all kinds.  I find Web forums vastly more 
convenient than mailing lists for multiple reasons, but I have no interest to convert 
others, so a solution that can work for both would be best.

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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-06 07:40, Matthias Apitz wrote:

El día Donnerstag, Oktober 06, 2022 a las 12:33:30 +0100, Brian Morrison 
escribió:


On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 14:28:27 +0300
Konstantin Kharlamov  wrote:


On Thu, 2022-10-06 at 12:10 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote:

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 04:52:14 -0500
Gary Kramlich  wrote:
   

When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it?
(Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)


No. It seems to be a forum, much prefer mailing lists, forums always
treat email as a second-class (or worse) add-on.


I don't see a problem as long as a forum allows to emulate a mailing
list. If Discourse allows one to subscribe "to everything" and reply
to posts with email, then you get pretty much a mailing list in your
email client.

I don't know if Discourse allows that, but if somebody confirms, then
there should be no problem.


I can confirm. See my other email to this list for details.

Discourse bills itself as a mailing lit alternative, and as such offers a 
smooth and gradual transition, allowing people that prefer the mailing list 
experience to keep it.


We were asked to vote, I vote against anything that looks like a forum
and has a web interface. YMMV.


I'm also against any type of forum and prefer stay with the list.


I understand your reluctance to use a web interface, but Discourse can be 
configured to behave exactly like a mailing list for the people that prefer 
that mode of communication.

If you can continue using it that way, communicating via email without having 
to deal with a web interface, would it bother you that other people can have 
different options?

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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-06 05:52, Gary Kramlich wrote:

Greetings Programs!

As some of you may be aware, we've been in the process of transitioning our 
email lists to a new server. Well, managing email in 2022 is tedious and 
unforgiving so it's taking forever and I always have a ton more on my plate 
that's easier to do.

As such, the idea has come up to migrate to Discource instead. Because of this, 
I'm trying to see how others feel about this and how we should go about 
importing things. They are listed below.

I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't found 
anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.


Why does it matter?  Currently, the archives are open for the whole Internet to 
see.


Please respond as soon as possible as I would really like to start on this 
migration no later than 2022-10-14.

When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please answer 
yes/no/doesn't matter)


I have always been in favour of forums over mailing lists due to the added 
flexibility and control that they offer, so this is a resounding YES from me.

I am not familiar with Discourse in particular, but I checked their web site, 
and they say that the platform integrates with email:

| Reply via email
|
| When you aren’t active on the website, your notifications will be 
automatically sent to you via email. Reply via email from anywhere, on any 
device.

So the people that prefer to use email can continue with their current workflow.

*Edit before sending*

I dug a bit deeper and this is what their FAQ says:

| Discourse can be used as a mailing list
|
| With properly configured incoming mail, Discourse can be used just like a 
mailing list. If you’ll be interacting with Discourse exclusively by email, 
consider enabling Mailing list mode in your personal preferences, provided it’s 
enabled on your forum.

I registered an account on a Discourse board to check, and indeed there is this 
setting:

| Mailing list mode
| [_] Enable mailing list mode
| This setting overrides the activity summary.
| Muted topics and categories are not included in these emails.

And most interestingly, if the server is configured to allow it, you don't even 
have to set up an account!

| Enable “Accept emails from anonymous users with no accounts” if you want 
staged users to be created when an incoming email address does not exists yet.


When it comes to this migration, would you like to have users imported into the 
new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)


It does not matter to me.  Registering an account with the same email takes 2 
minutes.

That said, if makes it transparent and zero-effort for the people that prefer 
to continue using email, then I am all for it.


When it comes to the archives, would you prefer to have it imported into the 
new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)


It does not matter to me.  If it makes the archives searchable and minimizes 
the number of times that the same questions need to be answered over and over 
again, then I am for it.  If it makes the migration more complicated, then it 
can be dropped.


Thank you,
Alex.

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Re: FYI Using GoogleTalk after the "shutdown"

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On 2022-06-18 16:55, P Holder wrote:

So I don't know exactly what Google is up to with the GoogleTalk turn
down.  I doubt even they know what they're doing.

I just wanted to share what worked for me.  I found a couple of weeks
ago that my link failed.  I was expecting that, but I decided to see
if there was any work-around that worked for me.  I enabled 2FA on my
account, and then generated an App Password and used that with Pidgin.
To my somewhat amazement, it worked, and has continued to work now for
2 weeks.


It may work for some time with workarounds, but I don't think the plugin will 
be maintained.  The dev effort will likely go into the new GoogleChat plugin.

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Re: Google Chat

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On 2022-06-10 15:32, Dan Small wrote:

I am minimally computer literate and need to figure out how to get and install 
the plugin that will allow Google Chat to work with Pidgin.

I have used Pidgin for years to communicate with my disabled wife first through 
Google Talk and more recently Hangouts. I really need to try to make this work 
rather then reinvent the wheel.


There are instructions on https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat#windows

But to make it easier on you:

Close Pidgin
Copy https://eion.robbmob.com/libgooglechat.dll into 
%ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\plugins\
Copy 
https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat/raw/master/libprotobuf-c-1.dll 
into %ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\
Copy 
https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat/raw/master/libjson-glib-1.0.dll 
into %ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\
Copy https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat/raw/master/googlechat16.png 
to %ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pixmaps\pidgin\protocols\16\googlechat.png
Copy https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat/raw/master/googlechat22.png 
to %ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pixmaps\pidgin\protocols\22\googlechat.png
Copy https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat/raw/master/googlechat48.png 
to %ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pixmaps\pidgin\protocols\48\googlechat.png
Open Pidgin
Browse to 
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=PZMBF2QVF69GA
 and send Eion $1 (optional step)

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Re: Pidgin and Google Talk Broken

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The link I posted is a Pidgin plugin.

On 2022-06-08 22:59, Rupert Dance - Comcast-2 wrote:

Thanks for the response.

My understanding is that Chrome must be open and Chat does not function as a 
real standalone app but I may have to try it. I use Outlook and although I have 
Gmail, I get my Gmail through Outlook but now Google has broken that as well 
because they no longer support POP.

So I wanted something more independent of Google.

Rupert



-Original Message-
From: pid...@alexoren.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2022 7:54 PM
To: Rupert Dance - Comcast-2 ; support@pidgin.im
Subject: Re: Pidgin and Google Talk Broken

On 2022-06-08 16:17, Rupert Dance - Comcast-2 wrote:

Hi,

I have used Pidgin and Google Talk for years. Google has now broken
this and eliminate Talk

What is the best/easiest way to replace it. I don't want to have to
login to my Google account to use IM. I want a standalone app that
uses Pidgin which has worked well for years.


Does Google Chat fit the bill?

https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat



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Re: Pidgin and Google Talk Broken

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On 2022-06-08 16:17, Rupert Dance - Comcast-2 wrote:

Hi,

I have used Pidgin and Google Talk for years. Google has now broken this and
eliminate Talk

What is the best/easiest way to replace it. I don't want to have to login to
my Google account to use IM. I want a standalone app that uses Pidgin which
has worked well for years.


Does Google Chat fit the bill?

https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat

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Re: Important!

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I don't think that SSH tunneling to the server qualifies as end-to-end.

On 2021-12-11 19:40, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

And you may be able to tunnel it through SSH.

On 12/11/21 08:32, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

I am aware of two encryption protocols that Pidgin can support with plugins:

OMEMO (two implementations):
- https://github.com/gkdr/lurch
- https://github.com/manchito/libpurple-omemo-plugin

OTR:
- https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/


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Re: Important!

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I am aware of two encryption protocols that Pidgin can support with plugins:

OMEMO (two implementations):
- https://github.com/gkdr/lurch
- https://github.com/manchito/libpurple-omemo-plugin

OTR:
- https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/


On 2021-12-11 06:40, David Woolley wrote:

On 11/12/2021 11:09, mswcorp wrote:

How do I send encrypted messages on pidgin?


Insufficiently specified.

What IM services are are available to you?

Which of those do you trust not to abuse a man in the middle position?

Do you plan to operate your own server?

Do you need end to end encryption?

Do you need multipoint end to end encryption?

How much work are you prepared to put into sending a message?

What is the nature of the threat?

Are you concerned about traffic flow security?

I believe XMPP provides encryption to and from the server, but not within the 
server.  That is probably true for the supported services provided by 
commercial organisations, like Google.

I don't think any of the official plugins implements end to end encryption, but 
some third party ones might.

You can always encrypt off line, convert to uuencode or base64, and paste that 
into a message, or series of messages, for any text based service, but, on its 
own, will not give traffic flow security.

Please use a useful subject in future, so that other people can find the thread 
in the archives, and it doesn't look like spam in my mailbox.

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Re: Big problem pls help

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Unfortunately, no.

Several things could go wrong:

* Something on your computer interferes with the connection (I think somebody 
once had an issue with peerguardian installed)
* Your ISP messes with the connection
* The server does not like your IP address
* The server does not like your account
* You've been cursed by the elder gods

I would try installing an XMPP client on your mobile device and trying to 
connect from it, both via your wifi (same external IP and ISP) and turning wifi 
off via cellular data (different IP and ISP), to narrow it down.

You can also try the web client at https://chat.jabb.im/
and maybe check https://jabb.im/antispam/ (whatever it may be)

See if the Jabbim FAQ helps (Q. 4 in particular), and try their online support at 
https://chat.jabb.im/?r=jab...@chat.jabb.im=
or email them at supp...@jabbim.zendesk.com
In fact that should have been your first course of action, given that the 
problem manifests with multiple clients.

Also, try creating an account with a different server (jabber.at is the one I 
use) and see if you get the same issue with them.

As a last resort, sacrifice a black goat to Cthulhu.

Other than that, I'm out of ideas.
Maybe one of the other users on this list can offer something.

Good luck!


On 2021-10-26 13:54, john davies wrote:

Hi, Thanks for your fast response. I have searched a lot for this issue and 
can't find much. I have attached the log. Maybe you can see something and help 
me out. Many many thanks!!!


--
*From:* pid...@alexoren.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 26, 2021 6:47 PM
*To:* support@pidgin.im 
*Cc:* john davies 
*Subject:* Re: Big problem pls help
Pidgin is a client, just like Miranda, PSI and the others you tried.
If the disconnection happens with all of the clients, I doubt there is anything 
you can do on the Pidgin side to resolve.

One thing you could do is start Pidgin with debugging and then look at the log 
for possibly more detailed errors, though I don't know how helpful it will be.

My batch file (on Windows) looks like this:

     @echo off
     set PURPLE_UNSAFE_DEBUG=1
     set PURPLE_GNUTLS_DEBUG=1
     set PURPLE_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1
     "%ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pidgin.exe" -d 2>&1 > 
"%APPDATA%\.purple\debug-%date%-%time::=.%.log"

Good luck!


On 2021-10-26 10:32, john davies wrote:

Hi, I have a big problem. It keeps disconnecting me. I use XMPP with an account 
at jabbim.com. I use a roaming internet from Three UK. I get this error: Lost 
connection with server: Remote host closed connection.

Every 3-5 minutes it disconnects me. The problem is that I even tried with 
other clients such a PSI and Miranda, etc. and it does the same. It disconnects 
me. What should it do?

As internet I use a hotspot on my phone with internet from Three. Is roaming 
because I am in another country.

Please help me!! Thanks
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Re: Big problem pls help

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Pidgin is a client, just like Miranda, PSI and the others you tried.
If the disconnection happens with all of the clients, I doubt there is anything 
you can do on the Pidgin side to resolve.

One thing you could do is start Pidgin with debugging and then look at the log 
for possibly more detailed errors, though I don't know how helpful it will be.

My batch file (on Windows) looks like this:

@echo off
set PURPLE_UNSAFE_DEBUG=1
set PURPLE_GNUTLS_DEBUG=1
set PURPLE_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1
"%ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pidgin.exe" -d 2>&1 > 
"%APPDATA%\.purple\debug-%date%-%time::=.%.log"

Good luck!


On 2021-10-26 10:32, john davies wrote:

Hi, I have a big problem. It keeps disconnecting me. I use XMPP with an account 
at jabbim.com. I use a roaming internet from Three UK. I get this error: Lost 
connection with server: Remote host closed connection.

Every 3-5 minutes it disconnects me. The problem is that I even tried with 
other clients such a PSI and Miranda, etc. and it does the same. It disconnects 
me. What should it do?

As internet I use a hotspot on my phone with internet from Three. Is roaming 
because I am in another country.

Please help me!! Thanks
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Re: moving to another computer

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On 2021-09-24 17:29, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

On my Fedora system I have a ~/.purple directory with all my pidgin stuff.


... and on Windows it's in %APPDATA%\.purple

Just copy that directory over to the new computer (when Pidgin is not running) 
and everything should be good.


On 9/24/21 5:14 PM, Harold Hartley wrote:

I first sign on to XMPP with pidgin with one computer and now that computer 
will be going offline and switching to another computer.

How can I keep the fingerprint of pidgin to my XMPP account the same or does it 
matter. What happens to my account when I start using the newer computer. Will 
it screw up my account or what.


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Re: Certificate failures

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On 2021-04-16 13:12, Michael Secord wrote:

Assuming you're talking about the certificate errors about google certs, 
running the Hangouts plugin, you're not alone. Mine started up again after the 
update to the newest Pidgin release. Unclear if it's related to the upgrade or 
a coincidence, but they have returned after being silent for months.


I am experiencing them as well.

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Re: Pidgin WIBNI or option I'm just not finding

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On 2021-04-14 16:28, Eion Robb wrote:

Sorry about that. Behind the scenes there's two different buddy lists on
Hangouts and they end up fighting with each other when the account
reconnects

As a workaround, you can use
https://github.com/EionRobb/pidgin-ignore-nickchange which suppresses those
messages


I have that plugin installed (version 0.2) and those messages still appear on 
Hangouts conversations.

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Re: Pidgin WIBNI or option I'm just not finding

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On 2021-04-14 09:58, Phil Smith III wrote:

Is there a way to suppress those? These appear for Google Hangouts users,
though not all such, which is odd. All are aliased; I'd have said they were
all set up the same, but something appears to be different.


I am getting those all the time (for hangouts) and my ISP is stable, though my 
buddies tend to hop on and off.
I could not find a way of disabling them.

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Re: Can't connect to my profile

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On 2020-09-28 09:29, Роман Руденко wrote:

Same error every time i launch program / Please help/ Каждый раз одна и та
же ошибка, когда запускаю программу, помогите!


What is the error?

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Re: Did this list die?

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On 2020-07-29 06:23, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

For the most part pidgin just works so it is us newbies asking how questions...


Except when it's not.

There is only a handful of people that can help with more uncommon questions 
and you are lucky if they find yours interesting enough to comment on.

Recently I tried making making a Unicode smiley theme based on the instructions 
I found on the site.
When it didn't work I asked for assistance, both here and on Reddit.
Got a nice round number of replies.

So yes, it is not the most thriving ecosystem.

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Re: Pidgin 2.14.1 Has been released!

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Noticed a recurring error in the log:

GLib: g_source_remove: assertion `tag > 0' failed

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Re: password change...Re-enable won't work

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Hi Brandon,

On 2020-05-09 7:33 AM, Brandon Drake - NOAA Federal wrote:

So, how do I find out who does that?  This is the help contact.


This is the peer-support mailing list for Pidgin, the client application, not 
for NCSChat.

We have no special knowledge (or access to NCSChat).  The best we can do is 
search the Web, find the NCSChat page and look at the FAQ.
Perhaps these can help:
https://nwschat.weather.gov/FAQ.php#Q8
https://nwschat.weather.gov/contacts.php

Good luck.


On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 5:46 AM David Woolley 
wrote:


On 09/05/2020 08:43, Brandon Drake - NOAA Federal wrote:

I did a password change to my account and now it can't get back into
nwschat.  I'm using Pidgon but have tried chat live if that would matter.
I've tried to update and save my new password but still no success.  What
can I do to get this fixed?


You need to talk to the people who operate your account, which you have
not identified in your posting.






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Re: Migrating configuration across systems

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On 2020-05-07 3:29 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

I have set up Pigdin on my Fedora30 system.  Worked well for participating in 
the IETF jabber rooms during our Virtual IETF107 meeting.

Now I have to migrate all the settings to my new Fedora32 system.

I have copied my ~/.purple directory from the old to new system.

But when I start Pigdin, it says no accounts set up.  When I go into Account 
Manager it shows no accounts.

But if I look at ~/.purple/accounts.xml, I see my account information.

How do I properly migrate my settings between systems?


Check the paths in prefs.xml

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Extra spaces added when pasting from the web

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When I paste text into Pidgin, some spaces in the text are doubled.

For example:

Copying the following text from 
https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14962134=59279246

The rich by far pay more in the total taxes collected that the middle and lower 
classes, even if the tax rates are off. This is because they earn more of their 
income through things like stock (which is taxed differently than regular 
income). There are many reasons for this, and they are not loopholes: Tax 
income is treated like investment income because it is subject to risk.

And pasting it into Pidgin produces the following text:

The rich by far pay more in the total taxes collected that the middle  and 
lower classes, even if the tax rates are off.  This is because they  earn more 
of their income through things like stock (which is taxed  differently than 
regular income).   There are many reasons for this, and  they are not 
loopholes:  Tax income is treated like investment income  because it is subject 
to risk.

Note the extra spaces between the words "middle" and "and", "they" and "earn", "taxed" 
and "differently", and so on.

When I view the source of the web page, the extra spaces are not present:


The rich by far pay more in the total taxes collected that the 
middle and lower classes, even if the tax rates are off.  This is because they earn more of their income through things like stock (which 
is taxed differently than regular income).   There are many reasons for this, and they are not loopholes:  Tax income is treated like 
investment income because it is subject to risk.The fight over tax rate fairness is a misguided effort to raise anger 
at the rich when in fact they already pay disproportionately a large share of the total tax revenue.Note also that in 
the US, the middle and lower classes pay lower tax rates and total tax dollars than similar classes in European countries (where the 
social safety nets in terms of social security, health care, etc, are much higher).   If we are talking about Medicare for All, that 
won't be paid for by increasing taxes on the rich.  Instead, we'd most likely be looking at tax rates in France or Scandinavia where they 
effective tax rates are around 40%.   Let's see how popular that messaging is.


This problem happens consistently.

Looks like a bug to me.
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Re: Pidgin invoked via hyperlink

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On 2020-03-27 9:29 PM, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi Robert,

It sounds like you're after purple-remote (
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/purple-remote.1.html) which
handles URI parsing and passing off to Pidgin.  Different distros will
include it as part of libpurple, Pidgin, or a separate package.

Cheers,
Eion


Anything like that for Windows?

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Getting repeated HTTP 400 errors from Hangouts

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Since yesterday, I'm getting kicked off of Hangouts with HTTP 400 errors.  
Sometimes reconnect works and I stay connected for a bit, other times it fails 
to reconnect for minutes to hours.  Nothing useful in the debug log.

Using the web interface works flawlessly.

Please advise.

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Re: Unicode emojis shown as tofu

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Any ideas?

On 2019-11-17 11:16 AM, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

I tried the noto-emoji smiley pack but when even after I switched to it I still 
see tofu in the previous messages

The theme file header says:

# Encoding utf-8
# https://github.com/radiocane/noto-emoji
Name=Noto Emoji
Description=All Google/Android emojis
Icon=EU.png
Author=White_Rabbit

And I verified that it has the definition of that particular emoji:

emoji_u1f61d.png    


If I open the log file in the browser, it displays the emoji correctly.

Please advise.


On 2019-08-28 9:14 PM, Eion Robb wrote:

 > can you suggest one that is reasonable extensive?
https://github.com/stv0g/unicode-emoji has everything up to Unicode 6.0

Cheers,
Eion





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Re: Unicode emojis shown as tofu

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I tried the noto-emoji smiley pack but when even after I switched to it I still 
see tofu in the previous messages

The theme file header says:

# Encoding utf-8
# https://github.com/radiocane/noto-emoji
Name=Noto Emoji
Description=All Google/Android emojis
Icon=EU.png
Author=White_Rabbit

And I verified that it has the definition of that particular emoji:

emoji_u1f61d.png


If I open the log file in the browser, it displays the emoji correctly.

Please advise.


On 2019-08-28 9:14 PM, Eion Robb wrote:

 > can you suggest one that is reasonable extensive?
https://github.com/stv0g/unicode-emoji has everything up to Unicode 6.0

Cheers,
Eion


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Re: Pidgin Groups

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Please make sure to *always* address (or CC) the email to the Pidgin mailing 
list.
Usually "reply to all" should take care of it.

On 2019-10-16 12:21 PM, Steven Lucky wrote:

When I make changes to buddies or groups; what file is being modified and where 
is its location.
Windows 10.


%APPDATA%\.purple\blist.xml


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Re: Pidgin Groups

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On 2019-10-16 11:27 AM, Steven Lucky wrote:

How do I mode groups around, reorder them
Currently the group I want on the top is at the bottom.


The group order is alphabetical.  I suggest renaming.

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Re: Unicode emojis shown as tofu

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Doesn't Pidgin on Linux use a version that supports Emoji?  Why not achieve 
parity?

Also, what "new version" of GTK is needed?  I was trying the latest version of 
2.x, my attempts at using 3.x failed completely.

I have no experience of working with GTK, and frankly this experience feels 
like going to the doctor with a stomach ache and being told to manually remove 
my own appendix.

Using the themes is hardly a solution since I doubt they have all of the 
unicode emojis that people use.  That said, can you suggest one that is 
reasonable extensive?

Thank you,
Alex.


On 2019-08-28 8:15 PM, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi Alex,

The plugins might not load due to a bad version of libjson-glib that I built. 
It was built in such a way that it won't work on newer versions of gtk/glib. 
I've got a rebuilt json-glib dll that works with newer GTKs that you're welcome 
to try and see if it works. I'll send through the link shortly when I'm back at 
my computer

We're talking about whether or not to include a newer GTK in the next Pidgin, 
but there are some downsides such as increased memory usage and more leaking 
GDI handles. Emoji support is a key proponent of updating though.

Another option you can use is one of the unicode-emoji smiley themes, which 
convert unicode emoji characters into a png image.

Cheers,
Eion

On Thu., 29 Aug. 2019, 12:04 , mailto:pid...@alexoren.com>> wrote:

I mentioned the issue on the purple-discord github, and was told that the 
reason was that Pidgin on Windows uses an old version of GTK that doesn't 
support emoji.

The suggestion was to manually upgrade the version of GTK but after 
spending hours trying to make it work, I gave up.

I started from the GTK download page, which says:
"Note: These instructions are intended for developers wanting to create Windows 
applications based on GTK, not for end-users. On Windows, GTK applications are typically 
bundled with GTK already, so end-users do not need to worry about how to install GTK 
itself."

Nevertheless, I tried following the directions and ended up with the whole 
MINGW -- all 1.3GB of binaries.  Replaced like-named DLLs in the GTP directory, 
chased DLL dependencies to find which additional ones need to be copied, 
replaced DLLs in the main Pidgin directory...  After many hours I got to the 
point that Pidgin loaded but all the plug-ins failed to load.  At that point I 
gave up and reverted.

Can anyone help?

If it's just a question of building Pidgin with a newer version, why won't 
the development team (for the lack of a better term) do it?

Thank you.

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Unicode emojis shown as tofu

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I mentioned the issue on the purple-discord github, and was told that the 
reason was that Pidgin on Windows uses an old version of GTK that doesn't 
support emoji.

The suggestion was to manually upgrade the version of GTK but after spending 
hours trying to make it work, I gave up.

I started from the GTK download page, which says:
"Note: These instructions are intended for developers wanting to create Windows 
applications based on GTK, not for end-users. On Windows, GTK applications are typically 
bundled with GTK already, so end-users do not need to worry about how to install GTK 
itself."

Nevertheless, I tried following the directions and ended up with the whole 
MINGW -- all 1.3GB of binaries.  Replaced like-named DLLs in the GTP directory, 
chased DLL dependencies to find which additional ones need to be copied, 
replaced DLLs in the main Pidgin directory...  After many hours I got to the 
point that Pidgin loaded but all the plug-ins failed to load.  At that point I 
gave up and reverted.

Can anyone help?

If it's just a question of building Pidgin with a newer version, why won't the 
development team (for the lack of a better term) do it?

Thank you.

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Re: xmpp: URLs in Windows?

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On 2018-10-15 10:34 AM, Phil Smith III wrote:

The first of those starts email


It's because your email client converts it to a mailto: link (probably by 
detecting the @ sign).  Thunderbird does the same for me, but running the link 
from a Win-R dialog works as described.



the second does nothing.


Works for me, but does not unescape the message, so spaces are a problem.

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Re: cannot set up an account

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I have downloaded pidgin and am having trouble getting my account to connect.  
I wanted to use Jabber, but was informed that jabber is no longer taking new 
clients.


That makes no sense.  Jabber is a protocol (also called XMPP).  There are many 
public jabber servers that you can set up an account on.

I personally had a good experience with jabber.at, but here are several lists:
https://list.jabber.at/
https://xmpp.net/directory.php
https://www.jabberes.org/servers/servers_by_times_online.html


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Re: Assertions in 2.13.0

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On 2018-07-13 10:24 PM, dequis wrote:

Are any of these actually new in 2.13.0?


Not sure.


As far as I can see it's all harmless noise (except the skypeweb login
error, where I assume you'd probably want it to log in)


What's the point of asserting on something that is "harmless noise"?



On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 13:21, Alex Oren  wrote:


I ran 2.1.13 on Windows with a debug log.
Started, waited about a minute and closed it.

There are several assertions in the log, some due to plugins:

(00:32:12) plugins: C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\plugins\libsametime.dll has a 
prefs_info, but is a prpl. This is no longer supported.
(00:32:12) plugins: C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\plugins\lurch.dll is not 
usable because the 'purple_init_plugin' symbol could not be found.  Does the 
plugin call the PURPLE_INIT_PLUGIN() macro?
(00:32:12) plugins: C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\plugins\perl.dll is not 
loadable: `C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\plugins\perl.dll': The specified 
module could not be found.

(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\Dango\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\Droplet\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\Espere\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\iPhone\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\Marten-nu\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\Marten-nu-grey\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\Marten-Plain 
Buddy\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\Marten-Plain 
White\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\Mini LEDs\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\New iChat\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\Prologue\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\stars\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\Stockholm\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) icon-theme-loader: Reading file theme.xml from directory 
C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\.purple\themes\White Chat 
Bubbles\purple\status-icon
(00:32:13) g_log: xmlnode_get_data: assertion `node != NULL' failed
(00:32:13) signals: Signal data for chat-conversation-typing not found!
(00:32:13) signals: Signal data for chat-conversation-typing not found!

(00:32:15) g_log: skypeweb_string_get_chunk: assertion `haystack && start' 
failed
(00:32:15) connection: Connection error on 0E9B46F0 (reason: 0 description: 
Failed getting Registration Token)

(00:32:16) GLib: g_source_remove: assertion `tag > 0' failed

(00:33:08) blist: Destroying
(00:33:08) g_log: hangouts_buddy_free: assertion `hbuddy != NULL' failed
(00:33:08) g_log: hangouts_buddy_free: assertion `hbuddy != NULL' failed
(00:33:08) g_log: hangouts_buddy_free: assertion `hbuddy != NULL' failed
(00:33:08) g_log: hangouts_buddy_free: assertion `hbuddy != NULL' failed
(00:33:08) g_log: hangouts_buddy_free: assertion `hbuddy != NULL' failed
(00:33:08) g_log: hangouts_buddy_free: assertion `hbuddy != NULL' failed
(00:33:08) g_log: hangouts_buddy_free: assertion `hbuddy != NULL' failed
(00:33:08) g_log: hangouts_buddy_free: assertion `h

Re: Pidgin 2.13.0

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On 2018-07-13 8:39 PM, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi Andy,

There's a "Release Notification" plugin in Tools->Plugins that you can use to 
get notifications of new versions, otherwise checking the front page of https://pidgin.im/ 
or the downloads section of SourceForge 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin/files/Pidgin/ or the Bitbucket mirror 
https://bitbucket.org/pidgin/main/downloads  is the best way to find out of new releases.


FileHippo alerted me before the plugin and the front page.

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Re: Conversation badger plugin does not work with 2.13

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I don't know what happened, but it appears to be working now.
Colour me befuddled.


On 2018-07-12 6:59 PM, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi Alex,

Unfortunately, the Pidgin installer will remove all protocol icons from third 
party plugins when it upgrades an existing version of Pidgin.  You'll need to 
re-download all the protocol icons from the protocol plugins that don't ship 
with Pidgin for the icons to show up where Conversation Badger puts them

Cheers,
Eion


On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 07:05, Alex Oren mailto:pid...@alexoren.com>> wrote:

After I upgraded Pidgin to 2.13.0 on Windows 10, the Conversation Badger 
plugin (from guifications) stopped working.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Alex.

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Re: Conversation badger plugin does not work with 2.13

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What folder(s) do these icons reside in?

I don't think that's the problem since I made a backup of the install directory 
and copied back all the missing icons.
When I try to add an account, I see all the icons on the drop-down.
Also, it does not show XMPP "badges" as well, and those are built-in.


On 2018-07-12 6:59 PM, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi Alex,

Unfortunately, the Pidgin installer will remove all protocol icons from third 
party plugins when it upgrades an existing version of Pidgin.  You'll need to 
re-download all the protocol icons from the protocol plugins that don't ship 
with Pidgin for the icons to show up where Conversation Badger puts them

Cheers,
Eion


On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 at 07:05, Alex Oren mailto:pid...@alexoren.com>> wrote:

After I upgraded Pidgin to 2.13.0 on Windows 10, the Conversation Badger 
plugin (from guifications) stopped working.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Alex.

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Re: disconnected

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On 2018-07-11 4:05 AM, Павел Резник wrote:

Hello, installed the program, but it constantly shows disconnected. What could 
be the problem?


https://help.aol.com/articles/aim-discontinued


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Re: Pidgin version 2.13.0

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Is it possible to get an unsigned build for now?

On 2018-06-27 5:23 PM, Gary Kramlich wrote:

There is currently no windows build as we're trying to get a code signing 
certificate to sign the release with.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 1:23 PM, Dave Warren mailto:d...@thedave.ca>> wrote:

__
That seems to be the case, there are no Windows builds at 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin/files/Pidgin/2.13.0/ 
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin/files/Pidgin/2.13.0/> at this time.


On Tue, Jun 26, 2018, at 09:59, Khurram I. Khan wrote:

Hi,
Your website states that the latest version is 2.13.0 but for windows, it's 
2.12.0. Is that correct?

Thanks and Regards,
Khurram I. Khan
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Re: AIM Phoenix support

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Seems to be working, thanks!

On 2018-06-27 4:50 PM, Gary Kramlich wrote:

It's just a normal aim acount with a few settings changed.  Attached are 
settings that _should_ work (they've previously worked against aim phoenix), 
but it's claiming my password is wrong...

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:18 PM, mailto:pid...@alexoren.com>> wrote:

On 2018-06-26 7:35 PM, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi Alex,

  From my understanding, KingWarg on #pidgin in irc.freenode.net 
<http://irc.freenode.net> <http://irc.freenode.net> has been working on making sure 
his AIM server supports Phoenix.  To use it in Pidgin, the only change that should be needed is 
to change the connect server in the Advanced settings tab to iwarg.ddns.net 
<http://iwarg.ddns.net>


Do you mean the built-in AIM support or a plugin?

I tried setting the server but it did not work, and the debug window showed 
connection attempts to various addresses at aol.com <http://aol.com> and yahoo.



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Re: AIM Phoenix support

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On 2018-06-26 7:35 PM, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi Alex,

 From my understanding, KingWarg on #pidgin in irc.freenode.net 
<http://irc.freenode.net> has been working on making sure his AIM server 
supports Phoenix.  To use it in Pidgin, the only change that should be needed is to 
change the connect server in the Advanced settings tab to iwarg.ddns.net


Do you mean the built-in AIM support or a plugin?

I tried setting the server but it did not work, and the debug window showed 
connection attempts to various addresses at aol.com and yahoo.


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Re: Pidgin 2.13.0 has been released!!

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Are there Windows executables for download?

On 2018-03-09 12:37 AM, Gary Kramlich wrote:

Greetings Programs,

Pidgin 2.13.0 has been released.  You can find source tarballs on
Sourceforge[1] or Bitbucket [2].  Windows versions are still in the
works, so hang tight and we'll announce when they're ready as well.

The ChangeLog for this release follows:

version 2.13.0 (03/08/2018):
     libpurple:
     * Unified string comparison. (PR #186) (Arkadiy Illarionov)
     * Properlly shell escape URI's when opening them. (PR #271 Daniel
Kamil Kozar)
     * Fix a one byte buffer overread in function purple_markup_linkify
     * Fix an issue were utf8 was incorrectly truncated which could lead to
       crashes as we were potentially feeding garbage into glib/gtk.

     libgnt:
     * Fixed build against curses 6.0 with opaque structs set. (#16764
dimstar)
       (PR #268 Daniel Kamil Kozar)
     * Fixed a crash when resizing the window. (#16680 marcus) (PR #269
Daniel Kamil Kozar)

     General:
     * Fixed bashism in autotools. (#16836 lameventanas) (PR #267 Daniel
Kamil Kozar)

     XMPP:
     * Show XEP-0066 OOB URLs in any message, not just headlines
     * Fix a user after free (#17200 debarshiray) (PR #266 Ethan Blanton)
     * Removed pipelining from BOSH connections (#17025 PR #295 Tom Li)
     * Don't try to TLS already secured BOSH connections (#17270 PR #293
Tom Li)

     IRC:
     * Fix "Registration timeout" on SASL auth with InspIRCd servers
       (and possibly others not based on charybdis/ratbox/ircd-seven)
     * Fix issues with plugins that modify outgoing messages
       (such as the custom PART/QUIT feature of the IRC More plugin)
     * Fix IRC buffer handling.  (#12562 PR #272 Shivaram Lingamneni)
     * Properly handle AUTHENTICATE as a normal command with server prefix.
       (PR #316 dx)
     * Fix a crash caused by a use after free of the MOTD.
     * Fix an out of bounds read in irc_nick_skip_mode.
     * Fix a write of a single byte before the start of a buffer in
       irc_parse_ctcp.

     Pidgin:
     * Better support for dark themes. (#12572 Alyssa Rosenzweig and Gary
Kramlich)
     * Fixed IPv6 links by not escaping []'s. (#16391 cyisfor) (PR #270
Daniel Kamil Kozar)
     * Only write buddy icons to the cache if they're not already
cached.  (PR #276 David Woodhouse)
     * Rejoin persistent chats after reconnect.  (#15687 PR #285 Christof
Meerwald)
     * Made the WIN32 Transparency plugin work on all platforms. (#3124
PR #287 Daniel Kamil Kozar)
     * Ensure search results buttons are labeled (Backport from de2d88e575ee)
     * Fix matching unicode smilies.  (#17232 gnubfx PR #262 Daniel Kamil
Kozar)
     * Correctly update mute/unmute status when the remote side
mutes/unmutes us. (#17273 PR #302 David Woodhouse)
     * Rework the status icon blinking to not used deprecated API.
(#17174 zelch PR #264 Daniel Kamil Kozar)
     * Don't allow adding a buddy to protocols that don't have an
add_buddy callback.  (#4061 Paradox)

     Finch:
     * Fix handling of search results (#17238 David Woodhouse)

     Voice & Video:
     * Port backend-fs to newer api for farstream relay-info property
(#17274 bellet)

[1] https://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin/files/Pidgin/2.13.0/
[2] https://bitbucket.org/pidgin/main/downloads/

Thanks,

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Re: Pidgin can make you more money

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Hello Lior,

I was wondering whether your posting your cell phone number to a public mailing 
list was done as an invitation for every member of the list to call you in 
order to schedule a conversation?

Because that would be a stupid thing to do.

Even for a spammer.

On 2018-01-24 8:29 AM, l...@luminati.io wrote:

Hi,

My name is Lior and I'd like to offer you a new way to make money off your 
software.
The Luminati SDK provides your users the option to use your software for free 
by contributing to the Luminati proxy network.

We will pay you $3,000 USD a month for every 100K daily active users.
No collection of users' data, no disruption of user experience.

I'd like to schedule a 15 minute call to let you know how we can start. Are you 
available tomorrow at 12:30pm your local time?

Best regards,
Lior
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l...@luminati.io | http://luminati.io/sdk_win


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Re: windows 10 нет подключения и не создается ака

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I find that Google works better with the Hangouts plugin than with the XMPP one.

https://bitbucket.org/EionRobb/purple-hangouts


On 2018-01-21 10:41 AM, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:

Здравствуйте, Джон! AIM больше не существует 
https://help.aol.com/articles/aim-discontinued По XMPP — сервер google? Если 
да, пробовали что-нибудь отсюда https://d.pidgin.im/ticket/6172 (например 
включить/выключить шифрование)?

On 21.01.2018 18:33, jon digvud wrote:

ребята нет подключения . сам пиджин работает а вот подключиться к AIM или MXPP 
не возможно. вот что пишет  От https://api.screenname.aol.com/auth/clientLogin 
получен неожиданный ответ: Invalid DevId
  фаервол и защитники отключены. + жаба внесена в список исключений брэнд 
маузера



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Re: a problem with sitehelp.im

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On 2018-01-15 10:49 AM, Михаил Пьянков wrote:
The online consultant stopped working, the problem on the chat server side

Good day Mikhail,

Pidgin is a third-party client-side application that can connect to many 
different servers.
Your best best is to contact the site's operator.



Перестал работать онлайн консультант, проблема на стороне сервера чатов


Добрый день Михаил,

Pidgin является клиентской аппликацией которая может с разными серверами других 
компаний.
Рекомендую Вам обратится к оператору проблематичного сервера.

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How do I change the incoming text font?

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I am seeing tofu instead of emoticons.
How do I change the font to one that supports those characters?

Thank you.

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Re: "Unable to validate certificate"

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On 2018-01-10 1:16 PM, Dave Warren wrote:

Is there any particular reason that pidgin doesn't use the existing Windows 
certificate store? This would seem to alleviate the need to juggle with 
certificates manually.

Or did I miss part of the plot here?


Probably because Pidgin is not a primarily Windows program and nobody wrote a 
plugin to do that

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Re: "Unable to validate certificate"

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I am still getting those popups.

Why wouldn't Pidgin remember the accepted certificate?

On 05/01/2018 10:04 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:

Saw that, but it *seems* slightly different.

Weirdly, after getting them all evening and night (based on the number of 
popups I had to close!), I got a few throughout the morning and then they 
stopped. So maybe it really was a Google problem--maybe one server behind a LB 
with a bad cert?

-Original Message-
From: pid...@alexoren.com [mailto:pid...@alexoren.com]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 2:57 PM
To: phs3stuff <phs3st...@cox.net>; support@pidgin.im
Subject: Re: "Unable to validate certificate"

Similar issue here:

The certificate for 0.client-channel.google.com could not be validated.
The certificate is not trusted because no certificate that can verify 
it is currently trusted.

There's an issue on Bitbucket:
https://bitbucket.org/EionRobb/purple-hangouts/issues/168/certificate-issues


On 05/01/2018 3:48 PM, phs3stuff wrote:

After running flawlessly for a while, I'm suddenly getting:

Unable to validate certificate

The certificate for clients6.google.com could not be validated. The certificate 
chain presented is invalid.

This happens repeatedly at random intervals. Sometimes I get several of these 
dialogs at once, sometimes just one.

I know what an invalid certificate chain is, just not what to do about it for 
this. Seems like the server is presenting the invalid chain, which I can't 
really fix anyway, eh?

Ideas?

Windows 7, fully patched; Help/About says:
Pidgin 2.12.0 (libpurple 2.12.0)
Unknown

(what's the "Unknown" about??)
And I'm using the Hangouts plugin.





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Re: "Unable to validate certificate"

[pidgin]

Similar issue here:

The certificate for 0.client-channel.google.com could not be validated.
The certificate is not trusted because no certificate that can verify 
it is currently trusted.

There's an issue on Bitbucket:
https://bitbucket.org/EionRobb/purple-hangouts/issues/168/certificate-issues


On 05/01/2018 3:48 PM, phs3stuff wrote:

After running flawlessly for a while, I'm suddenly getting:

Unable to validate certificate

The certificate for clients6.google.com could not be validated. The certificate 
chain presented is invalid.

This happens repeatedly at random intervals. Sometimes I get several of these 
dialogs at once, sometimes just one.

I know what an invalid certificate chain is, just not what to do about it for 
this. Seems like the server is presenting the invalid chain, which I can't 
really fix anyway, eh?

Ideas?

Windows 7, fully patched; Help/About says:
Pidgin 2.12.0 (libpurple 2.12.0)
Unknown

(what's the "Unknown" about??)
And I'm using the Hangouts plugin.



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Re: hello

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On 2017-12-18 9:50 AM, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:

On 18.12.2017 17:46, David Woolley wrote:

On 18/12/17 14:19, طارق السباعي wrote:

Will you support video conversations on Windows soon؟


Which instant messaging protocol supports them?


Well, given somebody gonna contribute the code, skype plugin is one possible 
candidate https://github.com/EionRobb/skype4pidgin/tree/master/skypeweb


Many protocols support video.  For example: Skype, Whatsapp, Hangouts, Jingle, 
Matrix, Yahoo, just to name a few.

More can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_protocols
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software

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Re: Automatically reconnecting after errors

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On 2017-12-05 2:06 PM, Boris Gjenero wrote:

On many occasions when re-connecting after a period of not using a Pidgin 
install I get some error, usually relating to Skypeweb or Google Talk XMPP 
accounts. A panel showing the error appears at the bottom of the contact list. 
I need to click a button there to reconnect. The reconnecting practically 
always works.

The problem is, I don't want to have to click a button to reconnect. I simply 
want Pidgin to reconnect automatically when I start it or when I wake the 
computer. I also certainly don't want an account to become disabled without me 
intentionally and explicitly choosing to disable it.

Reading elsewhere, it seems Pidgin is supposed to reconnect automatically 
except after fatal errors. I don't know what's going on. Are protocols 
inappropriately reporting some errors as fatal?

Right now, I simply want this to work. Reconnecting automatically after all 
errors, regardless of whether they're considered fatal, would be fine with me. 
Something like Miranda NG's KeepStatus plugin would be ideal. Ideally, 
automatic reconnecting ought to abort after some number of consecutive failed 
attempts, but if it keeps trying forever, I'm okay with that.

Is there some plugin or setting which will do what I want, or do I need to edit 
the source code?


There are some protocols that do not support multiple connections for the same user id, 
and will automatically disconnect the "old" connections.

Consider what an automatic reconnection will do in this case:
1. You connect from your home desktop as "Boris Gjenero".
2. You leave home without disconnecting and connect from your laptop, also as "Boris 
Gjenero".
3. The server recognizes a duplicate connection and forcefully disconnects 
desktop connection.
4. Pidgin on desktop detects disconnection and automatically reconnects.
5. The server recognizes a duplicate connection and forcefully disconnects 
laptop connection.
6. Pidgin on laptop detects disconnection and automatically reconnects.
7. goto 3 (Dijkstra be damned)

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Re: Pidgin 2.12.0

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On 2017-11-20 3:58 AM, Eion Robb wrote:

I have seen ICE IM pop up from time to time, but have never seen what
protocol they're using, other than it "attaches to Skype personal"
whatever that means.  If you do manage to get an account with them,
I'd be interested to see what protocol it actually is, as it's always
fun to add more protocols to Pidgin -
https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins#AdditionalProtocols


As much fun as it is to add new protocols, personally I would appreciate it if 
the effort is expended in stabilizing existing protocols, fixing bugs and 
getting as close to feature parity as feasible.

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Re: Synchronizing Pidgin configurations across computers

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On 2017-10-30 11:30 AM, Winston Weinert wrote:

On 10/30/2017 09:43 AM, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

On 2017-10-30 9:57 AM, Winston Weinert wrote:

I'd like to synchronize my Pidgin's .purple dot-file across computers,
and use the configuration simultaneously on two different machines. My
understanding is each XMPP login needs a separate resource, and the logs
will clobber for starters. I've also noticed there is a blist.xml that
gets updated whenever Pidgin is active...

So I guess my question turns into, is it possible to set up Pidgin to be
more synchronization friendly? I also use OTR and a few other plugins.


As far as I know, there is no provision in pidgin for synchronizing.
Everything (configuration files, conversation logs, etc) is kept as
local resources, usually files (although there is a plugin that allows
storing conversation history in a DB).

I currently use a low-tech approach consisting of DIFFing the relevant
folders and manually resolving differences.


I thought that might be the case. A bit of a shame. I may have to also
approach synchronizing Pidgin the same way (this case, using unison).


The Dropbox et al approach may work for you if the configuration on both 
machines can be *exactly* the same.

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Re: Synchronizing Pidgin configurations across computers

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On 2017-10-30 9:57 AM, Winston Weinert wrote:

I'd like to synchronize my Pidgin's .purple dot-file across computers,
and use the configuration simultaneously on two different machines. My
understanding is each XMPP login needs a separate resource, and the logs
will clobber for starters. I've also noticed there is a blist.xml that
gets updated whenever Pidgin is active...

So I guess my question turns into, is it possible to set up Pidgin to be
more synchronization friendly? I also use OTR and a few other plugins.


As far as I know, there is no provision in pidgin for synchronizing.
Everything (configuration files, conversation logs, etc) is kept as local 
resources, usually files (although there is a plugin that allows storing 
conversation history in a DB).

I currently use a low-tech approach consisting of DIFFing the relevant folders 
and manually resolving differences.

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Getting crashes in ssl-nss.dll

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Very sporadic, but twice today (while chatting on XMPP)

Windows Version 6.2 Build 9200

C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\pidgin.exe caused an Access Violation at location 
5bc321d2 in module C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\plugins\ssl-nss.dll Reading 
from location 0004.

Registers:
eax= ebx= ecx=0001 edx=027f9d48 esi= edi=5c3e2b04
eip=5bc321d2 esp=0061ece0 ebp=0061edd8 iopl=0 nv up ei pl zr na po nc
cs=0023  ss=002b  ds=002b  es=002b  fs=0053  gs=002b efl=00210246

Call stack:
5BC321D2 C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\plugins\ssl-nss.dll
 C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\pidgin.dll [2.12.0.0]
5C4AFA48 C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\pidgin.dll  pidgin_docklet_uninit
 C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\Gtk\bin\libglib-2.0-0.dll [2.28.8.0]
685EB90D C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\Gtk\bin\libglib-2.0-0.dll  
g_main_context_dispatch
685EBD9D C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\Gtk\bin\libglib-2.0-0.dll  
g_main_loop_run
 C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\Gtk\bin\libgtk-win32-2.0-0.dll [2.16.6.0]
61854260 C:\Program Files (x86)\Pidgin\Gtk\bin\libgtk-win32-2.0-0.dll  gtk_main


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Re: AIM is going away

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!!! Please do not reply directly to me but address further comments to 
support@pidgin.im !!!


In reply to all three questions quoted below:

Pidgin is a multi-protocol chat *client*, and as such uses 3rd-party servers 
and protocols, one of which is AIM.

According to the notification, come December 15th, access to the AIM servers 
will be turned off, so Pidgin will not be able to access them (just as the 
native AIM client).

In order to continue chatting with your buddies that currently use AIM, both of 
you will have to use another protocol, on a different server, and that means a 
new account.

My personal recommendation is to move to Jabber (XMPP), which is natively 
supported by Pidgin and Trillian.


!!! Please do not reply directly to me but address further comments to 
support@pidgin.im !!!


On 2017-10-06 11:23 AM, Vinny Napolitano wrote:

Good Morning,
It has been announced that AIM is going away on December 15th,2017. Here at 
Livermore we have 1 of our users on Pidgin and the other 6-7 users use a 
variety of different instant messaging programs.  The programs are all AIM 
based.  Does Pidgin use AIM?  What plans does Pidgin have to address this AIM 
issue ?  Please advise.



On 2017-10-06 12:08 PM, Nancy Becker wrote:

I received a message from AOL that AIM will cease to work after December 15, 
2017. Will this also affect PIDGIN ? I run a Mac platform and currently have my 
instant messaging setup using ADIUM but the account is an AOL IM account.

Trying to figure out if I need to setup a completely new account or what. I use 
this to message back and forth with my co-worker who will have the same problem 
- she runs a Windows platform and uses Trillian for her setup.

Thanks in advance for any help!



On 2017-10-06 11:26 AM, Kristen Welsh wrote:

AIM is discontinuing on December 15, 2017. Will we still be able to connect and 
chat with AIM contacts through Pidgin after Dec 15th?


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Re: Hello

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Actually Rob, we do have an AIM contact at AOL (or is it Verizon now?) -- 
Donald Le, the one who worked with the team with the login change.
Maybe somebody who corresponded with him could ask him about the change?

Thanks,
Alex.


On 25-06-2017 22:09, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi again,

I don't believe there's a fix for this currently, but someone who knows AIM 
better than I might be able to comment.

Cheers,
Eion

On 26 June 2017 at 14:01, Joy Overton <joverton7...@gmail.com 
<mailto:joverton7...@gmail.com>> wrote:

How do I fix this so it will work?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 25, 2017, at 9:58 PM, Eion Robb <e...@robbmob.com 
<mailto:e...@robbmob.com>> wrote:


Hi Joy,

(please make sure to CC the support mailing list in future in case someone 
else is more qualified to respond)

I'm not very familiar with AIM, but I've heard that there's been some 
changes with the AIM servers and that Pidgin is not able to work with 
multi-user/group chats on them currently, as of the past few days.

Cheers,
Eion



On 26 June 2017 at 13:46, Joy Overton <joverton7...@gmail.com 
<mailto:joverton7...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Eion,

Aim, and no not getting any error messages, nothing happens, its as if 
I didn't send the invite. It's also happening with my friend who is also using 
Aim.

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Eion Robb <e...@robbmob.com 
<mailto:e...@robbmob.com>> wrote:

Hi Joy,

What protocol are you having troubles with (AIM, ICQ, Skype, XMPP, 
something else)?  Also, are you getting an error message, if so what is it?

Cheers,
Eion

On 26 June 2017 at 13:42, Joy Overton <joverton7...@gmail.com 
<mailto:joverton7...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

The past few nights there has been an issue with the chat 
function on pidgin. I just updated to the latest version and i am still having 
the same issue. It lets me send the invite but it never lets me or the other 
person into the chat.

Please advise,
Joy


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Re: deleting buddies permanently from Pidgin

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You would, as always, need to contact Oracle support.

For most protocols (all that I know of) your buddy list is not stored by
Pidgin, so if the end-server refuses the delete request, there's nothing
Pidgin can do about that.


On Mon, 12 Jun 2017, Paul Neubert wrote:
> I'm with Oracle on Pidgin v2.10.09 and unable to delete most buddies
> permanently- they appear deleted and then quickly return.  Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul Neubert | Application Sales
>
> Emerging Biopharma
>
> Oracle Health Sciences Global Business Unit

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Re: No new message alert in Pidgin

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On 16-05-2017 00:31, Eion Robb wrote:

you might also want to try purple-libnotify+ which is an improved
version of the libnotify plugin that Ubuntu bundles in with their
version of Pidgin.


How does it compare to Guifications?

Is there a Windows DLL?

Thanks!

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New skype4pidgin release

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The release notes of 1.4 say "libpurple 3.0 support"
https://github.com/EionRobb/skype4pidgin/releases

Does it still work with 2.12, or should I stay with 1.3?

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Re: Different statuses

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On 28-04-2017 19:22, David Woolley wrote:

On 28/04/17 23:56, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

As you can see, offline_msg is a status. And to make it clear, I
often see "extended away" on XMPP contacts, and "invisible" on
Hangouts contacts.


You should never see invisible on remote contacts, as the whole point
about invisible is that it gives the external appearence of being
offline, when you are really online.


And yet, I do.

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Re: Different statuses

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On 28-04-2017 18:08, pid...@mail.iqk.com wrote:

{Someone will correct me if I'm wrong (and I won't mind).}


Thank you for your reply, but unfortunately it does not fully answer my 
question.

I am more interested in the statuses of my buddies more than the statuses that 
I set for myself.
This is in order to play with priorities.

Specifically, the current settings are:













As you can see, offline_msg is a status.
And to make it clear, I often see "extended away" on XMPP contacts, and 
"invisible" on Hangouts contacts.


You may be attributing the status to have rigid meanings, but most of
them could be (somewhat inaccurately) described as a "mood".

"Idle" is, also, pretty straight forward.  If you mark yourself as
"Available", but you're away from your computer/device for a period
of time (can't remember \what\ period of time), then "Available"
defaults to "Idle".  The moment you do something on your
computer/device, then "Idle" goes back to "Available".

Some users wish to manually announce to those on their buddy list
that they are "Away" (even if they really aren't).  Unlike "Idle",
"Away" is a manually user-selected status.

I've never seen "Extended Away", but it sound like it's the same.

One can still send/receive IM's in "Idle" and/or "Away".

"Invisible" is also manually user-selected, but to everyone who sees
you on their buddy list, you will appear to be "Offline".  In
"Invisible", you can still send/receive IM's. (*I recall there used
to be one IM service that would not allow you to send/receive if you
set yourself to "Invisible".)

An "Offline Message" is a thing, not a status.  If you are
\literally\ offline from a particular IM service, but someone sends
you an IM, anyway, most (if not all) of the IM services will "store"
that IM, and it will immediately appear as soon as you log back into
that IM service.

"Offline" is always straight-forward.  It's a status you cannot
manually select, except for literally logging out of a particular IM
service.


On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

Can anyone please explain when are the following statuses used and
what are the differences between them. This is related both to the
user's status and to the buddies' statuses.

available (this one is pretty straightforward)

idle (what's the difference between it and away?) away (what's the
difference between it and idle?) extended_away (when does away
become extended_away?)

invisible (how does Pidgin know if someone is offline or
invisible?) offline_msg (is this similar to offline?) offline


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Re: Different statuses

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{Someone will correct me if I'm wrong (and I won't mind).}

You may be attributing the status to have rigid meanings, but most of them 
could be (somewhat inaccurately) described as a "mood".

"Idle" is, also, pretty straight forward.  If you mark yourself as "Available", 
but you're away from your computer/device for a period of time (can't remember 
\what\ period of time), then "Available" defaults to "Idle".  The moment you do 
something on your computer/device, then "Idle" goes back to "Available".

Some users wish to manually announce to those on their buddy list that they are 
"Away" (even if they really aren't).  Unlike "Idle", "Away" is a manually 
user-selected status.

I've never seen "Extended Away", but it sound like it's the same.

One can still send/receive IM's in "Idle" and/or "Away".

"Invisible" is also manually user-selected, but to everyone who sees you on 
their buddy list, you will appear to be "Offline".  In "Invisible", you can 
still send/receive IM's. (*I recall there used to be one IM service that would 
not allow you to send/receive if you set yourself to "Invisible".)

An "Offline Message" is a thing, not a status.  If you are \literally\ offline 
from a particular IM service, but someone sends you an IM, anyway, most (if not 
all) of the IM services will "store" that IM, and it will immediately appear as 
soon as you log back into that IM service.

"Offline" is always straight-forward.  It's a status you cannot manually 
select, except for literally logging out of a particular IM service.


On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
> Can anyone please explain when are the following statuses used and what
> are the differences between them.
> This is related both to the user's status and to the buddies' statuses.
>
> available (this one is pretty straightforward)
>
> idle (what's the difference between it and away?)
> away (what's the difference between it and idle?)
> extended_away (when does away become extended_away?)
>
> invisible (how does Pidgin know if someone is offline or invisible?)
> offline_msg (is this similar to offline?)
> offline

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Re: Different statuses

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On 28-04-2017 15:33, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

Can anyone please explain when are the following statuses used and what are the 
differences between them.
This is related both to the user's status and to the buddies' statuses.

available (this one is pretty straightforward)

idle (what's the difference between it and away?)
away (what's the difference between it and idle?)
extended_away (when does away become extended_away?)

invisible (how does Pidgin know if someone is offline or invisible?)
offline_msg (is this similar to offline?)
offline


Incidentally, the Contact Priority plugin only shows 4 of the statuses: 
available, idle, away, offilne


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Different statuses

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Can anyone please explain when are the following statuses used and what are the 
differences between them.
This is related both to the user's status and to the buddies' statuses.

available (this one is pretty straightforward)

idle (what's the difference between it and away?)
away (what's the difference between it and idle?)
extended_away (when does away become extended_away?)

invisible (how does Pidgin know if someone is offline or invisible?)
offline_msg (is this similar to offline?)
offline

Thank you,
Alex.

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Re: Crazy idea?

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I'll address that question in its time.

For now, though, I don't want to put the cart before the horse; addressing 
protocols (i.e. XMPP, SIP, OSCAR, etc.) while still talking about a service 
(akin to AIM, YIM, MSN, ICQ, etc.).

On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
> First try to answer this one question:
> How will your service be better than XMPP (which is an open protocol
> with several open-source implementations)?
>
> On 07-04-2017 18:03, pid...@mail.iqk.com wrote:
>>
>> For years I've contemplated starting an IM service.  The idea keeps
>> coming back to mind as all the big boys keep dropping out (or the
>> technical equivalent of dropping out), frustrating their users
>> (including myself).
>>
>> I cannot, possibly, be the first person to have this thought, right?
>> Although I've never seen any such discussion here, at least from what
>> I can find.
>>
>> I would think the smartest way for such a thing to be successful
>> would be to make it as compatible as possible with third-party
>> software, such as Pidgin.
>>
>> I don't have the programming chops to undertake this all by myself,
>> so I'd need to hire outsource programmers.
>>
>> I have some specific ideas of format and features, but before I get
>> into all that, I'd like some general feedback; feasibility,
>> technicalities, economics of the idea, etc.  Maybe I *am* crazy, but
>> you never know, 'til you ask.
>>
>>
>> (Apologies, in advance, that this isn't a true support inquiry, but
>> since, at this point, it's mostly a technical inquiry, this was the
>> best forum I could think of.)

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Re: Crazy idea?

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First try to answer this one question:
How will your service be better than XMPP (which is an open protocol with 
several open-source implementations)?

On 07-04-2017 18:03, pid...@mail.iqk.com wrote:


For years I've contemplated starting an IM service.  The idea keeps
coming back to mind as all the big boys keep dropping out (or the
technical equivalent of dropping out), frustrating their users
(including myself).

I cannot, possibly, be the first person to have this thought, right?
Although I've never seen any such discussion here, at least from what
I can find.

I would think the smartest way for such a thing to be successful
would be to make it as compatible as possible with third-party
software, such as Pidgin.

I don't have the programming chops to undertake this all by myself,
so I'd need to hire outsource programmers.

I have some specific ideas of format and features, but before I get
into all that, I'd like some general feedback; feasibility,
technicalities, economics of the idea, etc.  Maybe I *am* crazy, but
you never know, 'til you ask.


(Apologies, in advance, that this isn't a true support inquiry, but
since, at this point, it's mostly a technical inquiry, this was the
best forum I could think of.)

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Crazy idea?

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For years I've contemplated starting an IM service.  The idea keeps coming back 
to mind as all the big boys keep dropping out (or the technical equivalent of 
dropping out), frustrating their users (including myself).

I cannot, possibly, be the first person to have this thought, right?  Although 
I've never seen any such discussion here, at least from what I can find.

I would think the smartest way for such a thing to be successful would be to 
make it as compatible as possible with third-party software, such as Pidgin.

I don't have the programming chops to undertake this all by myself, so I'd need 
to hire outsource programmers.

I have some specific ideas of format and features, but before I get into all 
that, I'd like some general feedback; feasibility, technicalities, economics of 
the idea, etc.  Maybe I *am* crazy, but you never know, 'til you ask.


(Apologies, in advance, that this isn't a true support inquiry, but since, at 
this point, it's mostly a technical inquiry, this was the best forum I could 
think of.)

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Re: Pidgin upgrade 2.12

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On 28-03-2017 15:51, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi Joe,

The process of upgrading Pidgin normally involves installing the new
version over the top of the old, no uninstall necessary.


It will also erase plugin files that were installed into that directory.
Make a backup before you upgrade.

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Re: Cell Phone

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Does this help?
https://github.com/EionRobb/pidgin-pushbullet


On 26-03-2017 08:56, David Woolley wrote:

On 26/03/17 13:54, Michael Schnurer wrote:

Can I get notifications of a message on my cell phone?


Pidgin, as the desktop user agent, has nothing to do that.  You will
need to ask the people that run your instant messaging server.


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Re: I understand the words, just not what it means for me

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On 01-03-2017 21:13, Luciano Fardin wrote:

What about Yahoo Messenger?


The old Yahoo messenger is dead and buried.  Yahoo turned off the servers so 
there is nothing to do about it.
The new one is an abomination.  Eion did create a plug-in for it, but you can't 
make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and the plugin cannot overcome the 
deficiencies inherent in the protocol.


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Re: I understand the words, just not what it means for me

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On 01-03-2017 17:36, Angel wrote:

I am a happy user of Pidgin but got this nasty surprise last night after a chat 
session closed.


Step to follow:

1. Don't panic

2. Wait for Pidgin 2.12 to come out (supposedly in about a week)

3. Don't panic

4. Upgrade to 2.12 before the mentioned deadline

5. Don't panic

6. Continue using AIM as usual

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"Failed getting Skype token" as of 20 Nov

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Running on Windows.

Yesterday everything worked OK
Today Pidgin does not connect to skype, claiming "Failed getting Skype token"
Both the desktop client and the web interface work OK.
I deleted all the cached certificates, but it didn't help.

Please advise.

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Re: MY JABBER DOES NOT CONNECT

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Please use "reply all" so your responses go to the mailing group.
I am a Pidgin user, just like yourself.


On 01-11-2016 13:46, rrhafael kennedy wrote:

Hello,so we wait?will everything be back to normal?


It's been like that for several days already and there is no word from 
jabber.at about the situation.
Personally, I suggest you register another account on a different Jabber server 
and use it as a backup.


On 1 November 2016 at 20:08,  <pid...@alexoren.com> wrote:

On 01-11-2016 07:26, rrhafael kennedy wrote:


Hello my jabber account is rastaba...@jabber.at  from last two weeks i
have not been able to connect and i have lost all my buddies please
help me what do i need to do please.
Thank you im waiting for your reply



jabber.at is off the net due to a DDOS attack.
Their DNS record now points to 127.0.0.1

I feel your pain, since I use them myself, but there is nothing we can do
about it.

For further info, check their facebook and/or twitter pages:
https://www.facebook.com/jabber.at/
https://twitter.com/jabber_at




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Re: attn Eion

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Aaron,

Please read https://github.com/EionRobb/funyahoo-plusplus

Yahoo decided to kill off their existing messenger and replace it with 
something that is universally regarded as a steaming pile of crap.

I appreciate Eion's, dequis's and others' efforts to integrate it into Pidgin, 
but after trying to for with it for a couple of months I gave up and managed to 
convince most of my buddies to use XMPP instead.

As for ICQ, you can register on https://icq.com/join, but you must give them a 
mobile phone number to send you an SMS.
Since I am reluctant to give them this information, I am not on ICQ.

On 17-10-2016 05:00, b59 wrote:

Eion,

i was able to get it to connect on the..yahoo 2016 option...but
all my contacts and buddies are gone..how do i get those back.? i
exited the program...and nothing..those contacts...were
important...but why did they stop haveing yahoo mssgr..many people
use it..? You know the saying if it isn't broke don't try to fix
it..well they messed things up for many people..i love pidigan..also
on icq..how do i register.. icq when all they have is the cell
phone..app...i use a pc and i can't get it registered..please help me
here...appreciated all your help so far..


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Re: It's 2016, why are we still using mailing lists?

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On 08-10-2016 18:23, Brian Morrison wrote:

On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 17:49:15 -0400
Alex Oren  wrote:


Are there any compelling reasons not to use an internet forum?


Comes to me automatically, I don't have to visit a forum.


Email notifications (with full text).


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Re: It's 2016, why are we still using mailing lists?

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On 08-10-2016 18:35, David Woolley wrote:

On 08/10/16 22:49, Alex Oren wrote:

Are there any compelling reasons not to use an internet forum?

Their many advantages over mailing lists include: - Easier
searching for existing solutions. - Fine-grained control over
email notifications. - The ability to display prominent explanation
of what support can be expected.


This subject produces very polarised response whenever it comes up
on other mailing lists, but from my point of view:


I would like to comment on your points.

But before I do, please keep in mind that I am advocating the use of a forum 
for the SUPPORT mailing list, which is supposed to be open for a wide array of 
users, who cannot be assumed to be technically savvy, familiar with 
nettiquette, etc.


- I can afford to be on a lot more mailing lists that forums (with
forums you have to go and visit each one to see if there are
updates);


No, you do not.  The forum software can be configured to send email notifications for 
responses to the threads you are following, as well as for new posts in the sub-forums 
that you are interested in, including the full text of the message.  So in effect you can 
treat them as a mailing list but with finer control, with the only 
"inconvenience" of having to click a link when you want to reply.

And, contrary to mailing lists, I can choose not to be sent replies to threads 
I am not interested in.


- mailing lists provide a consistent user interface;


See above.  Plus, core BBCode is standard across most (if not all) forum 
software.


- although possibly not an issue with Pidgin, forums tend to result
in fragmentation, as people tend to belong to just one forum, and
forums are often advertising funded, so their operators tend to have
an incentive to get people to use their forum, rather than any other
forum covering the subject, exacerbating that fragmentation;


This is completely irrelevant to the Pidgin support list.


- forums don't allow you to maintain an offline archive that you can
search and search tools for them are often not very effective;


1. Forums that are configured to send email notifications (with full text) 
offer the same offline capabilities as a mailing list.

2. To the casual user, forums offer VASTLY superior searching functionality 
compared to email archives


 - forums cannot be read offline


And https://pidgin.im/pipermail/support/ can?


Also if you are going to assume that there is one direction of
progress


I don't give a rodent's posterior about "directions of progress".  My argument 
is not ideological but practical: during the short time I have been on this list, several 
people asked about Pidgin on mobile, others wanted support with their providers, and yet 
others had questions that could be easily avoided if there was a decent and friendly way 
to view and/or search old threads (and no, Google with site:pidgin.im does not qualify).

And let's not forget about users that hit "reply" instead of "reply all", and 
the emails admonishing them for doing so.

I am not arguing against mailing lists in general, and it may as well be the 
best tool for the job for the DEVELOPER list, but it does not appear to be the 
case for the SUPPORT list.

Best regards,
Alex

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Re: AIM login

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On 23-09-2016 14:39, APB wrote:


On 09/21/2016 01:29 PM, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

On 21-09-2016 10:47, Donald Le wrote:

I'd need a point of contact at Pidgin for AIM update that would
block users from login to AIM.


The hell?


He's saying that the heavy hand of Big Cousin (of Big Brother of
course) is requesting help blocking the usage of AIM.  I vote to VETO
the request... in case anyone is counting votes :)  Of course with
suitable compensation (say no less than $1 million USD) from AOL, the
requester might sway my opinion... not that my opinion has any sway
here.  Just food for thought.


That's what I thought at first, thus my reaction.

It turned out that AOL is planning a breaking change to the protocol and Donald 
is reaching out to Pidgin developers and offering to work with them (for free) 
to ensure a painless transition.

Donald, if you are reading this, please accept my apology.

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Re: AIM login

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On 21-09-2016 10:47, Donald Le wrote:

To whom it may concern,

I'd need a point of contact at Pidgin for AIM update that would block users 
from login to AIM.

Thanks,

*Donald Le
*
*Tech Director | Product Management and Support AIM Platform*
*O*: 703-265-5645 | *M*: 703-678-1073
*AIM*: donald...@teamaol.com <mailto:donald...@teamaol.com>*
*
*AOL Inc*. 22070 Broderick Drive Dulles, VA 20166


The hell?


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Re: Pidgin Mobile

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On 13-09-2016 14:27, Michael McConville wrote:

Zeke wrote:

Is there a mobile (specifically Android) version of Pidgin?


There is not.


If not, what app do ya'll use on your phones?


I've had a far better experience with Conversations than with anything
else.


Conversations is not multi-protocol (XMPP only).
You can try Trillian and IM+


In the future, you can search the mailing list archives for these sorts
of questions too.


To be fair, using mailing lists for end-user support is very user-unfriendly 
when web forums provide a much better option.

But out of sheer curiosity, how do you suggest zeke should search the archives?

(Yes, I know that 
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Apidgin.im+inurl%3Apipermail%2Fsupport+android
 works, but that's like hammering a nail with a screwdriver)



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Re: Suggestion for discussion: Can Pidgin development be made cross-platform?

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On 07-09-2016 01:36, Eion Robb wrote:

Probably better to discuss on the developer mailing list, cc'd

Are you having trouble with development on Windows? Have you followed
all the steps on the BuildingWinPidgin wiki page?

I do all my development and testing solely on Superior Windows and
I've never really run into any problems. Just setting up the dev env
is what takes the longest, but that's not much harder than following
a few steps.


I guess I wasn't clear.

I like Visual Studio, and have been using it (with Visual Assist and other 
plugins) for quite some time.

Building Pidgin (and plugins) on Windows seems to require setting up a 
unix-like environment and tools.

Why cannot Visual Studio be used instead?

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Suggestion for discussion: Can Pidgin development be made cross-platform?

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What would it take to make Pidgin development (core and plugins) more Windows 
friendly?

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Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

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On 06-09-2016 04:04, Shlomi Fish wrote:

I disagree. "Sod off" means that the pidgin devs are not interested in this
functionality and that it won't be supported or accepted. "Patches welcome"
implies that this functionality is desirable, but not a high priority to the
core developers, but who may still support making it a part of pidgin.


Shlomi, when I started sending out the "suggestion for discussion" emails I 
stated that the intent was to solicit opinions and discussion on the merits of the ideas.

I am not familiar with the vernacular, so I'll trust your interpretation.


The Pidgin project does not have infinite resources and cannot implement all
the features that people want. One option for you would be to set up a bounty
or a kickstarter/indiegogo/etc. campaign or whatever for that.


Or maybe even trying to write a plugin.

Unfortunately Pidgin development seems to be very Windows unfriendly.  But 
that's a topic for another discussion.

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Re: Suggestion for discussion: cleaning up the plugins page

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[ Response to Eion is below the response to Shlomi ]



On 05-09-2016 03:31, Shlomi Fish wrote:

There are multiple ways that the plugins page can be improved:


Can you provide a link to it?


https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartyPlugins


1. Removing the links that are no longer resolving.


Well preferably we should search for newer (and working) links
instead or maybe use archive.org if possible.


Possibly, if the archived page contains a usable version of the add-on that 
works with the latest Pidgin.


2. Indicating outdated plugins that no longer work.


Indicating them as what?


As not working (but possibly forkable).


3. Indicating whether binary releases are available, or better yet,
providing binaries for all plugins that do not have them yet
(mostly for MS-Windows DLLs)


Sounds good, but providing binaries may involve a lot of work on the
part of the maintainers of the page.


Assuming that the 3rd-party plugins can be divided into two groups, abandoned 
and actively maintained, I suggest the following:

a. For abandoned plugins, fork them; put a copy on, say, github; build binaries 
for those that cannot compile from source.
This would be a one-time operation for the page maintainer(s).

b. For actively maintained plugins, reach out to the developers and ask them if 
they could compile and/or cross-compile binaries when a release is warranted, 
or even better, set up an automated build system (something like 
https://travis-ci.org), or even have the pidgin team build and host the 
binaries.

There are many options, what is needed is the will to address the issue.


4. Indicating the date/time of the latest source and binary
releases (useful for plugins that change often)


Sounds good, but see
http://perl.plover.com/yak/12views/samples/notes.html#sl-9 .


A plugin can be considered actively maintained even after it is "finished" if 
the developer responds to tickets.

Anyway, the problem that I am trying to address is different.  I am perfectly happy with 
a plugin that hasn't been updated in ages but works smoothly.  It's the plugins that are 
a "work in progress" that I am concerned about.

Case in point: The Yahoo 2016 protocol plugin.
When I open a ticket, I am often told that the problem was fixed in a specific 
commit, or asked if I use the latest DLL.  Since I cannot build from source at 
this time, and the DLL is hosted on Eion's site without any information on when 
it was built or what commits got into it, I find the situation uncomfortable.


I may be able to invest some time in working on that page.


That would be great!



On 05-09-2016 19:55, Eion Robb wrote:

There's been a few attempts at a Pidgin Plugins Website over the
years.  Most of them turned out as flops.


That is unfortunate.  I find the 3rd-party plugins to be an important part of Pidgin's 
"ecosystem"


As a plugin developer, I feel that having somewhere like
http://adiumxtras.com/ or https://addons.instantbird.org/ to be able
to upload plugins to would be great, but as a Pidgin dev, I'd be very
nervous about hosting dll/so's and the added complications of testing
for malware that goes along with it.


Maybe a compromise can be struck, with Pidgin's group working together with 
plugin developers to provide a solution.
Options can include hooks into the plugins' source repositories.
The page can have links to the plugins' pages but have some sort of up-to-date 
"status" for each one (automatically updated or triggered by the plugin author 
actions).

Also see my reply to Shlomi (above).


1. Removing the links that are no longer resolving.


The ThirdPartyPlugins wiki is editable, feel free to remove or update
those links


Being a newcomer to the party, and not well versed in the way of the Pidgin, 
I'd rather not touch the wiki myself for now.


2. Indicating outdated plugins that no longer work.


Due to the way Pidgin follows semver, all plugins *should* work with
newer versions in any Pidgin 2.x release.  Are you finding some
plugins that aren't?


No idea what "semver" is, but when I first installed Pidgin, I went over many 
of the plugins on the wiki page and I remember that some (a small number) failed to work.


3. Indicating whether binary releases are available, or better yet,
providing binaries for all plugins that do not have them yet
(mostly for MS-Windows DLLs)


See above about not hosting dll's


Please see my response to Shlomi above.
Abandoned plugins can be forked and releases created from source.  For actively 
maintained plugins, their authors could be engaged.


4. Indicating the date/time of the latest source and binary
releases (useful for plugins that change often)


This could change often and would just end up with noise.


What's wrong with it changing often?  Th

Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

[pidgin]

On 05-09-2016 19:55, Eion Robb wrote:

Patches welcome ;)


A very polite way of telling me to sod off.

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Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

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Pidgin is a great multi-protocol client, but unfortunately it doesn't run on 
Android and iOS, therefore people that want to have a mobile alternative are 
limited to either Trillian or IM+.

IM+ is not in active development anymore and is allegedly less stable, so 
Trillian appears to be the client of choice (and is the one I use).

Despite Trillian's multi-protocol nature, it does have a native protocol and 
many just use it without being aware of its multi-protocol nature and being 
bothered to set up other accounts.  Besides, Trillian's Jabber support has a 
nasty habit of leaking information about your phone's ID if you don't 
explicitly specify the resource.

Therefore, my suggestion is to implement the Trillian native protocol in Pidgin 
(possibly as a plugin).

Trillian's native protocol is described here: https://www.trillian.im/impp/


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Re: XMPP carbons

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On 31-08-2016 05:10, Eion Robb wrote:

It is added to the Pidgin code, but Pidgin 3 is not yet released.

On 31 August 2016 at 14:49, <pid...@alexoren.com <mailto:pid...@alexoren.com>> 
wrote:


I was under the impression that the patch was already added to Pidgin.
Is there any compelling reason not to add it?

Can you please provide a patched versions for users that lack the ability 
to compile Pidgin?


[trimmed]

I understand.

I guess I can use the XMPP priority plugin for now to force both available and 
away priorities to the same value.
Do you see any problem with this interim approach?


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Re: XMPP carbons

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I was under the impression that the patch was already added to Pidgin.
Is there any compelling reason not to add it?

Can you please provide a patched versions for users that lack the ability to 
compile Pidgin?

On 30-08-2016 21:47, Eion Robb wrote:

Unfortunately an end user cannot enable carbons in Pidgin, it would
require adding the patch to the source and recompiling Pidgin.

There was work to bring this into mainline Pidgin code for Pidgin 3.0
as part of the summer of code 2015


On 31/08/2016 04:39, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:


Is there a way to set Pidgin to use carbons (XEP-0280)?
I found this ticket https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/15508, but it does 
not explain what an end-user needs to do to enable carbons.

Use case:
1. Pidgin on desktop at home
2. Pidgin on desktop at work
3. Trillian on mobile
Messages to be delivered to all logged-in clients.


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Re: XMPP carbons

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On 30-08-2016 12:39, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

Is there a way to set Pidgin to use carbons (XEP-0280)?
I found this ticket https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/15508, but it does not 
explain what an end-user needs to do to enable carbons.

Use case:
1. Pidgin on desktop at home
2. Pidgin on desktop at work
3. Trillian on mobile
Messages to be delivered to all logged-in clients.


Found this:
https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1410118-support-for-xep-0280-message-carbons

$155 bounty for implementing it.

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XMPP carbons

[pidgin]

Is there a way to set Pidgin to use carbons (XEP-0280)?
I found this ticket https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/15508, but it does not 
explain what an end-user needs to do to enable carbons.

Use case:
1. Pidgin on desktop at home
2. Pidgin on desktop at work
3. Trillian on mobile
Messages to be delivered to all logged-in clients.

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Re: contacts ?

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On 18-08-2016 02:55, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi there,

You can add buddies through the Buddies->Add Buddy... menu from the
buddy list.  We don't have a way of importing buddies from an email
contact list though.

Cheers, Eion


Given the impeding shut-down of the Yahoo protocol, it there a way to 
batch-import all contacts into the Yahoo-2016 protocol?

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Re: Suggestion for discussion: buddies and protocols

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Hello Robb,

Allow me to amend my suggestions based on your feedback (and add some more)

On 21-08-2016 19:13, Eion Robb wrote:

I think generally the main concept has been that the idea of which
protocol a contact is using is abstracted away, which is why by
default you don't see the protocol icons - "hidden complexity" and
all that.


I claim that there should be a way to "unhide" that complexity for users that 
are interested in that information.
One example can be buddies that use different services on different devices 
(for example, desktop vs mobile).
Adding a way to show this information (perhaps in a plugin) can be beneficial.

Compare it to the Windows Explorer option (unfortunately set by default) to 
hide file extensions.  It can hide complexity for some users but it is possible 
to override it.

[points #1, #2 and #4 in original email]



This has been achieved in Pidgin by the priority of a buddy within a
merged contact, based on which of their accounts is more active, the
idea being that you can double-click on a contact and be speaking to
the 'most available' buddy - i.e. no thought needed to work out
which buddy to talk to in a contact. Unfortunately the rise of mobile
protocols and protocols that claim that someone is offline when
they're not has complicated issues. That said, if someone messages
you, your replies will always go back on the protocol that they
messaged you on last.


We seem to agree that correctly determining the "most available" buddy is not 
always feasible, due to:
a. Services that incorrectly report the user as 'available' even when they are 
away (in particular, web interfaces of various platforms, mobile versions, etc)
b. Buddies that set their presence as 'invisible'
c. Protocols that do not have presence indication (e.g., Yahoo 2016)

Therefore, I claim that it is important to allow the user to set up custom 
weighting on a per-buddy basis.

[point #3 in original email]



Also, an easier way to switch protocols is to start a conversation
and then use the "Send To" menu to pick the protocol that you want
to use.


I am aware of that option but it is hidden behind a menu.  I would like to have a clear 
indication that a conversation is with a "multi-protocol" buddy.

[point #4 in original email]



You can also use Ctrl+Up on the keyboard to repeat the last message
if you want to send out multiple messages on different protocols
quickly.


Now that I did not know.  Thank you for the information.
Still it is a manual operation that should be easy to automate (possibly in a 
plug-in).

[point #5 in original email]


And while we are talking of sending to multiple recipients, there is a plugin 
that allows to send a message to all buddies in a group, but I could not find 
one to send a message to several selected buddies (either in the same group or 
otherwise).

Furthermore, it appears that pidgin does not support multi-selection at all, so 
no operation can be performed on an arbitrary collection of buddies.
So I'd like to add another suggestion:

7) Allow multi-selection of buddies for group operations (moving, deleting, 
sending messages, etc)



The log viewer (Conversation->View Log) at the moment already
displays all of the various buddy's conversation for a merged
contact in one window.


That is correct.  However, when I open a conversation with a user, the latest 
messages are displayed in the window (possibly a plugin does that), but only 
for that protocol.
I am not sure whether they are pulled from the servers (XEP-0313 etc) or taken 
from the logs, but if a buddy is multi-protocol, only one set of messages (from 
a single protocol) is displayed.

I would like to see a merged "recap".

[amendment to point #6 in original email]


And speaking of which, given the prevalence of people that use Pidgin on 
multiple computers, I would like to offer another suggestion:

8) Support merging of chat histories from different computers, using the 
following methods:
   a. Manual: exporting, importing and merging (for same-day logs) of chat 
history logs, and
   b. Automatic: intelligently merging server-side chat histories (such as 
XEP-0313) into local logs.



Hope that helps answer your questions.
Cheers, Eion


I still believe that my suggestions have merit.
Your further comments are appreciated.




On 22 August 2016 at 03:28, <pid...@alexoren.com
<mailto:pid...@alexoren.com>> wrote:


Hello,

Pidgin is a great application but, in my humble opinion, there are
several areas for improvement.

Rather than just creating tickets, I wanted to run my ideas by the
community and get your opinions and feedback, and since this mailing
list is the closest thing to a 'community' that I could find, I will
post them here.

The first item I would like to discuss is the way Pidgin handles
buddies on multiple protocols.  In no particular order:


* The way Pidgin groups buddies can be improved.

Suggestion for discussion: buddies and protocols

[pidgin]

Hello,

Pidgin is a great application but, in my humble opinion, there are several 
areas for improvement.

Rather than just creating tickets, I wanted to run my ideas by the community 
and get your opinions and feedback, and since this mailing list is the closest 
thing to a 'community' that I could find, I will post them here.

The first item I would like to discuss is the way Pidgin handles buddies on 
multiple protocols.  In no particular order:


* The way Pidgin groups buddies can be improved.  Currently there is 
insufficient indication on the buddy list that a buddy is grouped other than 
hovering and expanding is clunky.  My suggestions are:

1) Display /all/ the protocol icons for a grouped buddy, ordered by protocol 
status, greying out those on which the buddy is offline.  Clicking on the icon 
should either display the details/status or display a protocol-specific menu.

2) Display an 'expand' control near a grouped buddy instead of having to 
right-click and chose 'expand'.


* The selection of which protocol to use for a grouped buddy should be made 
more flexible.  Sometimes buddies always appear offline (by choice), other 
times they always appear online even when away from the logged-in device.

3) Allow overriding of global protocol priorities per grouped buddy.


* The *conversation* is more important than the *medium* (in this case, the 
protocol).  Buddies sometimes use different protocols on different devices 
(computers vs phones for example) and in such cases conversations started on 
one protocol are often continued on another.
The motivation for the suggestions below stems from the realization that we 
cannot control what protocols our buddies choose to use.

4) Display /all/ the protocol icons on the conversation window/tab, ordered by 
active and status (similar to #1 above).

5) Allow sending a message on all the protocols (raising the chances that the 
buddy will receive it faster).

6) Allow for combining the logs from different protocols for a buddy, either 
physically (stored in one file) or during display.  Sort entries by time (UTC 
preferred) and optionally indicate protocol.

6a) Allow using a DB (SQLite?) rather than XML files for storing logs


Your thoughts are appreciated.

Thank you,
Alex.

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Re: Pidgin Plugin Required to Pop up Group chat

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On 18-08-2016 02:57, Eion Robb wrote:

https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/15354 probably explains it better
than I could:

"Those options both depend on cooperation from your Window Manager
and other applications.

The 'Present' option simply requests that your WM make the window the
active window. What your WM/DE does with that is entirely up to it.

The 'Raise' option directly requests a change in the Z-order of the
window but that will only effect a change with regard to other
windows within the same class/type (or that aren't otherwise
specially handled)."


Using tabbed conversations on Windows (tested on XP, 7 and 8.1), the window is 
not brought the front nor made active.
Also, the tab that received the notification does not become active.

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