Re: New Seamonkey
Leonidas Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:15:33 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote: I did see that on the Windows version of the default theme, there is a divider that lets you see where you can click and where you can't. On the Mac, it isn't so clear. On the other hand, the default theme on the Mac looks a lot better, Then again, i am prejudiced. You should thank our Mac expert stefanh. He spent a lot of time and effort fine tuning the Default theme for the Mac; so much so that it's almost a separate theme. Phil It is beautiful indeed, though grippies support would be nice. Lee Second. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 lost my profile
Sarah Austin wrote: I just took the simple route and deleted 2.0 and kept 1.1.18. I hope they fix this in future versions. Fix what??? Lee gave you a solution so you could fix it yourself!! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 'Replies to my messages' view for newsgroups?
Rex wrote: Is there a way to create such a view? I think I've seen it in Outlook Express before. It's not hard to meet expenses, they are everywhere. Don't know if it will meet your needs, Rex, but you could try Tools-SearchMessages and change the Subject to From and enter your address in the third section. Might do what you want...sort of!! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: CNET approves SeaMonkey Digest, Vol 47, Issue 72
RE: A current post on CNET gives SM as one of the best 5 applications to install with your new Windows 7 computer. Way to go, team. Then the SM 2.01 had better be forthcoming so that the oversights and initial 2.0 problems seen across the three or four main OS versions can be addressed...and that includes the SM 2 browser/engine implementation, the Email unit AND the Composer. BEFORE the CNET news -- which is excellent overall, VERY positive -- has been by a great many more that will beat a path to SM 2.'s door. CNET isn't the only newsworthy group looking at SM -- that I know, and we as a group, for an accurate fact. SM 2 is a darn good idea, manifested in many ways that even its Firefox 3.5x and 3.6, AND its Thunderbird 3, brethren will like to see how those two products could be better interrelated and made more useful. Two Doses of Realism... As we can see, the basic SM 2 isn't bad at all, but getting realistic shows us that there's too many oversights, and previously-made-final SM 2 decisions that need to be tuned and rectified... ...and making users and those potential CNET and other users wait until SM 2.1 or later simply should not have to wait, even if it means two or more advancing changes and improvements / fixes like SM 2.01a and 2.01b, etc. Another dose of realism shows that the small (very) group of SM 2 specialists programmers DO need assistance from their current and sheer expanding user group, be we neophytes or seasoned engineering / tech types. Neither they nor we can do it all on ones own. Joe - Original Message --- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:38:33 -0800 From: User u...@user.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: CNET approves SeaMonkey Might have been useful if a URL to the article was posted. Walter wrote: A current post on CNET gives SM as one of the best 5 applications to install with your new Windows 7 computer. Way to go, team. * ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 (was: lost my profile)
Leonidas Jones wrote: Sm 2.0 will install the entire suite. You get Browser, Mail/News/Composer/IRC Chat, whether you want them or not. The theory is, if you just want the Browser, get Firefox. It will migrate the profile to the new location and use that. SM 2.0 is a very different and improved product, there is a lot in your old profile that will simply mean nothing to the new application. Sorry if I hijack this thread, but I would like to comment what you say above. ;) You mean that I can't even opt out the Chat? I understand the composer is also serving the use of mail/news, but truly the Chat (and some other things) should be optional? I want a suite, with browser and mail/news integrated. So I can't use Firefox. But because of that, why would am I forced to also download the more than that if I don't want/need it? What I do need apart from mail/news, I can find as addons/extensions. But as it is now I have to wait before installing v2.0 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail issues with version 2.0 installation
I have had a host of additional problems with SeaMonkey version 2.0 since this original post (which remains unanswered), some of which have been described by others. Regretfully, I had no choice but to return to version 1.1.18 before any more damage was done to my extensive mail archives. Thanks anyway. Marisa Marisa Ciceran wrote: I have been a faithful user of SeaMonkey and all its predecessors going back to the early 1990s. Currently, I have version 1.1.18 installed on my system and two days ago I downloaded and installed version 2 - immediately running into an unexpected and totally avoidable problem. I expected the installation to follow the usual procedure of deleting the prior working version and overriding the desktop icons, as in prior upgrades. It did not do so, thereby causing a conflict with incoming mails which arrived in version 2.0 on the first session right after installation, then yo version 1.1.18 on the next and subsequent openings of SeaMonkey Mail, leaving me with mails to be transferred over. I have not yet fully recovered from this unwarranted problem which an instruction/warning during the installation and/or during import phase of the installation 2.0 would have prevented, and so would have new icons on the desktop. I have one other smaller, but significant problem. While I have not had much time yet to investigate what has changed besides that some add-ons no longer work and the look of the icons and smileys is different (the new smileys are awful!), I did notice right away that the mails status bar no longer shows that the program is downloading incoming mails. Can anyone tell me whether that feature will be brought back? I am not a FireFox/Thunderbird user (I dislike and uninstalled Firefox), and the loss of this feature may force me to scrap SeaMonkey 2.0 to go back to 1.1.18. Thank you, Marisa ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:44:52 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: You should thank our Mac expert stefanh. He spent a lot of time and effort fine tuning the Default theme for the Mac; so much so that it's almost a separate theme. It is beautiful indeed, though grippies support would be nice. He tried several variations but all of them looked significantly non-native on a OS X desktop. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]The end is near... but wait for the sequel! * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail issues with version 2.0 installation
Marisa Ciceran: Marisa Ciceran wrote: I have been a faithful user of SeaMonkey and all its predecessors going back to the early 1990s. Currently, I have version 1.1.18 installed on my system and two days ago I downloaded and installed version 2 - immediately running into an unexpected and totally avoidable problem. I expected the installation to follow the usual procedure of deleting the prior working version That i don't want. It's nice to be able to run the prior version. You can even run both simultaneously using the parameter -no-remote. and overriding the desktop icons, as in prior upgrades. I don't have a desktop *g*. But here i agree. There should be the old ones for SM 1.1.18 and also new ones for SN 2.0. Or, the icons should now point to SM 2. It did not do so, thereby causing a conflict with incoming mails which arrived in version 2.0 on the first session right after installation, then yo version 1.1.18 on the next and subsequent openings of SeaMonkey Mail, leaving me with mails to be transferred over. If you alternate between SM 1.1.18 and SM 2, this behavior is expected if you use POP3. Once one of them has fetched the mails, then well, there are no mails left for the other one. ;) You can prevent that by checking the box 'Leave messages on server' for one of the SMs. I have not yet fully recovered from this unwarranted problem which an instruction/warning during the installation and/or during import phase of the installation 2.0 would have prevented, and so would have new icons on the desktop. I don't understand fully. Will sometimes start SM1 when clicking on the icans and sometimes SM2? Could it be, that there are remains of SM 1, perhaps for autostart or quicklaunch? But that's only a guess because i know nothing about a modern Windows. But, if an instance of SM 1 is already running when you attempt to open SM 2, then SM 1 will launch instead of SM 2. I have one other smaller, but significant problem. While I have not had much time yet to investigate what has changed besides that some add-ons no longer work and the look of the icons and smileys is different (the new smileys are awful!), Ha! That i feel also and therefore there are still the old icons on my SM 2. Maybe the only SM 2 with the old icons all of the world. *g* I did notice right away that the mails status bar no longer shows that the program is downloading incoming mails. Can anyone tell me whether that feature will be brought back? Haven't noticed that, perhaps because i'm using fetchmail. I have had a host of additional problems with SeaMonkey version 2.0 since this original post (which remains unanswered), Well, i don't always read this NG. an i'm writing reluctantly because of bad writing skills in English. Regretfully, I had no choice but to return to version 1.1.18 before any more damage was done to my extensive mail archives. Using nightlies of current SM 2.1 is far more interesting. ;) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Zooming Pictures
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:02:41 -0500, William Morrison wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: I tried installing it using Mr Tech to override, but it won't work. I'm pretty sure that's what gave you the capability in the first place. Lee Yes I figured that was it, too bad, I really liked being able to zoom just the picture. I haven't tested this recently but why don't you try this version? http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#imagezoom which has been on my website since err 2007-09-09. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Zooming Pictures
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: William Morrison wrote: What Happened to the ability to enlarge pictures by holding right clicking of mouse and scrolling or was that an add-on? For image and text zoom, SM2 is now more-exact. Approximate-variables no-longer work. Default-behavior is image+text (page) zoom:- main-toolbar View | Zoom and select the Zoom-factor. ~~ If you really want 300x +, select _O_ther(300%).., and type the required zoom-factor into the cell-box that appears. You can zoom text-only:- Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | (checkbox at bottom-of-panel) Zoom only text instead of full pages, and then to main-toolbar View | Zoom etcetera And, you also can still enlarge pictures-only using:- mouse-over right-mouse-click | right-click View-Image (or middle-click remote-images, if you've preferenced open-links in new tab), and-then to main-toolbar View | Zoom etcetera What's-with the-hyphens? Is-this a-convention that-I don't-know-about? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 lost my profile
Sarah Austin wrote: I just took the simple route and deleted 2.0 and kept 1.1.18. I hope they fix this in future versions. No, it isn't going to get fixed. The big problem here is that you seem to have jumped into this without understanding just how big a jump this is. It's not ike the changr from say 1.0 to 1.1. In essence SeaMonkey 2.0 is a new application entirely. That makes it a big transition from 1.1.18, for which you do seem to be prepared. Its not going to be made any easier. I see three choices for you. 1) Remain with 1.1.18 which is a dead end, it will not be updated. 2)Make the jump to 2.0. 3) Transition to Firefox. Since you seem interested in the browser only, the 3rd choice may well be the best option in your case. Good luck! Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.0. Archives and newsgroups
It looks like that whatever settings are chosen for Newsgroup, a copy of a sent post is stored as Archives in a folder chosen by the user. Is this correct, or am I misunderstand the meaning of Archives? -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Leonidas Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:15:33 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote: I did see that on the Windows version of the default theme, there is a divider that lets you see where you can click and where you can't. On the Mac, it isn't so clear. On the other hand, the default theme on the Mac looks a lot better, Then again, i am prejudiced. You should thank our Mac expert stefanh. He spent a lot of time and effort fine tuning the Default theme for the Mac; so much so that it's almost a separate theme. Phil It is beautiful indeed, though grippies support would be nice. Lee You remember several years ago there was big fuss over this. It was decided the extra two or three lines of code to keep grippies was deemed as a unnecessary waste of code space. Yet the were theme designers such as the fellow that designed SkyPilot Classic (Sailfish)that came out with a dozen or more themes for, SM, ThunderBird that had the Grippies included. Didn't seem to be much of a burden for him. Yet for the Mozilla Team designers it seemed to be. Chance are they didn't even try it to see what it was used for had they they would have taken the extra 10 minutes to leave it in. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail issues with version 2.0 installation
Phillip Jones: Hartmut Figge wrote: I don't have a desktop *g*. Yes you do the screen you see when you open your computer after it boots up is called the desktop on Macintosh computers. Other computer users, using Windows Machines may also call it the Desktop as well. Unix and Linux don't have this unless they have some type of GUI installed. Even then, without a desktop system like KDE, Gnome or XFCE there is no desktop. Sure, there is a background, but it is impossible to e.g. put icons on it. But i'm happy with my icewm. if they go bare - naked (no GUI) they use the same old command line system That Widows machines used back in DOS 3.1 days. The console is the default what i see after booting. Normally i would then start X with, surprisingly, startx. *g* I know about this because I worked as Electronics Tech for school system back during them days. And when you boot a Mac into single user mode. You are using Raw Unix which looks and , you have to type commands almost identically the same way. I don't know anything about a Mac. I had set my old Win98SE to boot into pure DOS from which i could call Windows with the command win. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Zooming Pictures
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:08:22 +0800, Barry Edwin Gilmour barrygilm...@bigpond.com wrote: William Morrison wrote: What Happened to the ability to enlarge pictures by holding right clicking of mouse and scrolling or was that an add-on? For image and text zoom, SM2 is now more-exact. Approximate-variables no-longer work. Default-behavior is image+text (page) zoom:- main-toolbar View | Zoom and select the Zoom-factor. ~~ If you really want 300x +, select _O_ther(300%).., and type the required zoom-factor into the cell-box that appears. You can zoom text-only:- Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | (checkbox at bottom-of-panel) Zoom only text instead of full pages, and then to main-toolbar View | Zoom etcetera And, you also can still enlarge pictures-only using:- mouse-over right-mouse-click | right-click View-Image (or middle-click remote-images, if you've preferenced open-links in new tab), and-then to main-toolbar View | Zoom etcetera Perhaps you can tell me why any www page I load in to 2.0 is way too big, and I am forced to zoom to 50-75% in order for it to display. That would be acceptable, but the zoom is not enduring; I must redo it for each page. The prior version it replaced was not this way, nor is a similar install on another machine I have. TIA ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2: Opening new windows
MCBastos wrote: Edit your registry settings to add the -new-window argument to the command used to open Seamonkey. The page below lists the command-line arguments syntax for Firefox, which should work on Seamonkey 2 too. It doesn't, I just tried it. Bummer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Am I the only one using a portal home page
Daniel wrote: William Morrison wrote: why wrote: Hey David I must be having a blond moment I can't for the life of me remember where 2.0 stores the Bookmark.html file and I like to setup my opening mail window to open like this, can you tell me where it's stored. Its in your profile folder. If you don't know where it is, the easy way is to do a system search for bookmarks.html. Make sure that searching hidden files and folders are selected. Verify that those are your bookmarks, then use those. Ok thanks, what I wanted to do was have the opening mail message pane display it on startup but it says it's the wrong protocol. I guess it has to have a actual web address to open it there not just a html file. Sorry, Bill, did you really mean to say that you wanted to open the bookmarks file (i.e. the one that has all you www page addresses in it) in the mail and news page (the one where you use addresses like f...@someplace.ca?? Daniel Yes that is what I wanted to do but seems can't be done at least not in the message pane i used to have Netscape News open there when I ran NS 7.2 but since I can't open my bookmarks there I now have it set to open my Yahoo Mail page. So now with one click I can see if I have mail from all four of my major mail services. But I like your idea of having it set as your home page but allowing bookmark manager continually update it. -- Big Bill Massillon, Oh USA ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Zooming Pictures
starrin wrote: [...] Perhaps you can tell me why any www page I load in to 2.0 is way too big, and I am forced to zoom to 50-75% in order for it to display. That would be acceptable, but the zoom is not enduring; I must redo it for each page. The prior version it replaced was not this way, nor is a similar install on another machine I have. TIA I can think of one possibility: Perhaps you or someone else changed your monitor resolution? I currently use 1024 X 768 (stretched). If I go to the finder's window menu bar and select the monitor image icon, then pick the next larger pixel size, 800 X 600 (stretched), I find nearly all the displays exceed the screen size. Changing to a numerically larger number of pixels should work. If you don't like it, you can switch back to what yoy had previously, instantly. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Question
Alan Cummings wrote: Al wrote: Does anyone know if SM 2.0 will show favicons on the Personal Bookmarks Toolbar? Thanks Yes Apparently, this feature was scrapped, not implemented, or never intended. My 2.0 does NOT show them. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Question
Al wrote: Alan Cummings wrote: Al wrote: Does anyone know if SM 2.0 will show favicons on the Personal Bookmarks Toolbar? Thanks Yes Apparently, this feature was scrapped, not implemented, or never intended. My 2.0 does NOT show them. Wrong. But by default, it appears that SM 2.0 does not show them. Just go in Preferences, Appearance, Contact, and click Show Websites Icons. Possibly, also click Also load Website Icons for Bookmarks. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Question
John Doue wrote: Al wrote: Alan Cummings wrote: Al wrote: Does anyone know if SM 2.0 will show favicons on the Personal Bookmarks Toolbar? Thanks Yes Apparently, this feature was scrapped, not implemented, or never intended. My 2.0 does NOT show them. Wrong. But by default, it appears that SM 2.0 does not show them. Just go in Preferences, Appearance, Contact, and click Show Websites Icons. Possibly, also click Also load Website Icons for Bookmarks. Please read Content and not Contact. Sorry for the typo. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Barbara Norvell wrote: Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: Barbara Norvell wrote: MCBastos wrote: /snip/ One thing I miss about not being able to use the SkyPilot Theme as He had added the grippes back with the ability to click on a center arrow and it would completely collapes the text window so you could mark a series of emails as read. the click again and it woul open back up to original position. Now to do similar you grab devider pull down like a window shade, the you have pull it back up and reset the position. SkyPilot was a Time Saver. Click Mark you items want marked read; click go back to original position. Now take time to Drag down, mar, take time to drag up. if your in three pane mode the click bar is a time saver opening and closing the side bar. but since it breaks some items. I had to abandon it to the regular Theme. Yuck! By the way Phillip, I installed Sky Pilot on my MacBook, first disabling Mr Tech. It installs just fine, give it a shot! http://www.projectit.com/ Lee It works, but it interferes with QuoteColors and when you use _underline_ it doesn't work. The Author of Quote Colors found the bugs by loading the Mac version of SkyPilot and it reacted the same way. I am using the Venerable Theme now Just to see if the underline works. Yeah!!! Underline works and Quote Colors. I'd like a different color (Grey or even yellow) But I can live with it. I'm running Venerable Modern (thanks Sailfish) and its real nice. LCARStrek also works, and I like it too. Sorry about Sky Pilot. Lee I had an email into him to fix the problem But It appears those no activity as far as new themes updates, or even activity on the forums. I don't whether he is too buy with his day job, sick, or just got tired of writing themes. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Walnut theme
I used a theme, Walnut by Alfred Kayser years ago and wonder if it could be updated for use with SM 2.0. I really liked it and was easy on my eyes. Most of the themes except the default seem to be to bold or to dark for my preference. I am really enjoying SM 2 and have little or no trouble with it. JAS -- You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the hands of someone else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 lost my profile
Leonidas Jones wrote: Sarah Austin wrote: I just took the simple route and deleted 2.0 and kept 1.1.18. I hope they fix this in future versions. No, it isn't going to get fixed. The big problem here is that you seem to have jumped into this without understanding just how big a jump this is. It's not ike the changr from say 1.0 to 1.1. In essence SeaMonkey 2.0 is a new application entirely. That makes it a big transition from 1.1.18, for which you do seem to be prepared. Its not going to be made any easier. I see three choices for you. 1) Remain with 1.1.18 which is a dead end, it will not be updated. 2)Make the jump to 2.0. 3) Transition to Firefox. Since you seem interested in the browser only, the 3rd choice may well be the best option in your case. Good luck! I hope for your system that you uninstalled it and not as you said deleted it leaving all setting in your registry and files spread out all over your hard drive. -- Big Bill Massillon, Oh USA ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Barbara Norvell wrote: Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: Barbara Norvell wrote: MCBastos wrote: /snip/ One thing I miss about not being able to use the SkyPilot Theme as He had added the grippes back with the ability to click on a center arrow and it would completely collapes the text window so you could mark a series of emails as read. the click again and it woul open back up to original position. Now to do similar you grab devider pull down like a window shade, the you have pull it back up and reset the position. SkyPilot was a Time Saver. Click Mark you items want marked read; click go back to original position. Now take time to Drag down, mar, take time to drag up. if your in three pane mode the click bar is a time saver opening and closing the side bar. but since it breaks some items. I had to abandon it to the regular Theme. Yuck! By the way Phillip, I installed Sky Pilot on my MacBook, first disabling Mr Tech. It installs just fine, give it a shot! http://www.projectit.com/ Lee It works, but it interferes with QuoteColors and when you use _underline_ it doesn't work. The Author of Quote Colors found the bugs by loading the Mac version of SkyPilot and it reacted the same way. I am using the Venerable Theme now Just to see if the underline works. Yeah!!! Underline works and Quote Colors. I'd like a different color (Grey or even yellow) But I can live with it. I'm running Venerable Modern (thanks Sailfish) and its real nice. LCARStrek also works, and I like it too. Sorry about Sky Pilot. Lee I had an email into him to fix the problem. But It appears _there is_ no activity as far as new themes updates, or even activity on the forums. I don't whether he is too _busy_ with his day job, sick, or just got tired of writing themes. I am fixing some mistakes that got by I'll just correct them there. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Barbara Norvell wrote: Rufus wrote: Rufus wrote: Barbara Norvell wrote: MCBastos wrote: /snip/ One thing I miss about not being able to use the SkyPilot Theme as He had added the grippes back with the ability to click on a center arrow and it would completely collapes the text window so you could mark a series of emails as read. the click again and it woul open back up to original position. Now to do similar you grab devider pull down like a window shade, the you have pull it back up and reset the position. SkyPilot was a Time Saver. Click Mark you items want marked read; click go back to original position. Now take time to Drag down, mar, take time to drag up. if your in three pane mode the click bar is a time saver opening and closing the side bar. but since it breaks some items. I had to abandon it to the regular Theme. Yuck! By the way Phillip, I installed Sky Pilot on my MacBook, first disabling Mr Tech. It installs just fine, give it a shot! http://www.projectit.com/ Lee It works, but it interferes with QuoteColors and when you use _underline_ it doesn't work. The Author of Quote Colors found the bugs by loading the Mac version of SkyPilot and it reacted the same way. I am using the Venerable Theme now Just to see if the underline works. Yeah!!! Underline works and Quote Colors. I'd like a different color (Grey or even yellow) But I can live with it. I'm running Venerable Modern (thanks Sailfish) and its real nice. LCARStrek also works, and I like it too. Sorry about Sky Pilot. Lee I had an email into him to fix the problem But It appears those no activity as far as new themes updates, or even activity on the forums. I don't whether he is too buy with his day job, sick, or just got tired of writing themes. Also the situation of installing themes and then a Blank page appearing when clicking on Browser from Mail News, if you do not have Browser checked to load in Preference; was not just a simple glitch. It happens every time you switch to any theme be it from Default to Modern or to any third party theme. Its a True. I have to report it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Question
John Doue wrote: Al wrote: Alan Cummings wrote: Al wrote: Does anyone know if SM 2.0 will show favicons on the Personal Bookmarks Toolbar? Thanks Yes Apparently, this feature was scrapped, not implemented, or never intended. My 2.0 does NOT show them. Wrong. But by default, it appears that SM 2.0 does not show them. Just go in Preferences, Appearance, Contact, and click Show Websites Icons. Possibly, also click Also load Website Icons for Bookmarks. I already have those checked and also aggressively look for Favicons ... as well. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Bookmark Manager refresh problem
Rufus wrote: J. Weaver Jr. wrote: When I drag-and-drop a bookmark from one place to another in Bookmark Manager, the screen doesn't refresh/update. The mark _is_ moved - if I leave BM and come back in, the view is correct. Anyone else having this problem? -JW Working fine for me. ...and WORKS4ME today as well. Odd. I'll keep an eye on it. -JW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail issues with version 2.0 installation
Hartmut Figge wrote: Phillip Jones: Hartmut Figge wrote: I don't have a desktop *g*. Yes you do the screen you see when you open your computer after it boots up is called the desktop on Macintosh computers. Other computer users, using Windows Machines may also call it the Desktop as well. Unix and Linux don't have this unless they have some type of GUI installed. Even then, without a desktop system like KDE, Gnome or XFCE there is no desktop. Sure, there is a background, but it is impossible to e.g. put icons on it. But i'm happy with my icewm. if they go bare - naked (no GUI) they use the same old command line system That Widows machines used back in DOS 3.1 days. The console is the default what i see after booting. Normally i would then start X with, surprisingly, startx. *g* I know about this because I worked as Electronics Tech for school system back during them days. And when you boot a Mac into single user mode. You are using Raw Unix which looks and , you have to type commands almost identically the same way. I don't know anything about a Mac. I had set my old Win98SE to boot into pure DOS from which i could call Windows with the command win. Hartmut Technically Mac has a three layer OS. You have the Mach Kernel that at the very Core. Then you have UNIX on top as of OSX.4.11 it was FreeBSD. The the Mac GUI sitting on top as per references Its like KDE is for UNIX. When we boot a Mac the screen you see is called the desktop it allows for icons on it. Just like windows for PC. I had on OSX.3.9 X11 installed and then used an article in Mac World to install KDE I didn't repeat on my current installs as the only thing I could get working was Konqueror. Which Safari is based on. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 lost my profile
William Morrison wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Sarah Austin wrote: I just took the simple route and deleted 2.0 and kept 1.1.18. I hope they fix this in future versions. No, it isn't going to get fixed. The big problem here is that you seem to have jumped into this without understanding just how big a jump this is. It's not ike the changr from say 1.0 to 1.1. In essence SeaMonkey 2.0 is a new application entirely. That makes it a big transition from 1.1.18, for which you do seem to be prepared. Its not going to be made any easier. I see three choices for you. 1) Remain with 1.1.18 which is a dead end, it will not be updated. 2)Make the jump to 2.0. 3) Transition to Firefox. Since you seem interested in the browser only, the 3rd choice may well be the best option in your case. Good luck! I hope for your system that you uninstalled it and not as you said deleted it leaving all setting in your registry and files spread out all over your hard drive. Bill, For three days now, every time you reply to one of my posts, you have been sending me an email as well. This would occur if you are using reply All instead of Reply, so that is the most likely culprit. Please stop. I see the responses in the group, sending me email to just clogs up my inbox to no good purpose. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Question
Phillip Jones wrote: John Doue wrote: Al wrote: Alan Cummings wrote: Al wrote: Does anyone know if SM 2.0 will show favicons on the Personal Bookmarks Toolbar? Thanks Yes Apparently, this feature was scrapped, not implemented, or never intended. My 2.0 does NOT show them. Wrong. But by default, it appears that SM 2.0 does not show them. Just go in Preferences, Appearance, Contact, and click Show Websites Icons. Possibly, also click Also load Website Icons for Bookmarks. I already have those checked and also aggressively look for Favicons ... as well. Since you are not the OP, do you mean to say you also have this problem? I thought so too when I first installed, but the situation corrected itself after I read about those settings. Not sure it is relevant, but I just copied over my bookmark file from my 1.1.17 SM profile -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Daniel wrote: James wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: James wrote: Daniel wrote: James wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: JeffMjef...@email.com To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? Message-ID: f128071f-7ded-43ff-be69-38c63e1a7...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 James wrote: /snip/ James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:44:52 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: You should thank our Mac expert stefanh. He spent a lot of time and effort fine tuning the Default theme for the Mac; so much so that it's almost a separate theme. It is beautiful indeed, though grippies support would be nice. He tried several variations but all of them looked significantly non-native on a OS X desktop. Phil That's interesting. In the Modern theme as included, you almost can't even see them. In Sailfish's themes thay are a little more obvious, but hardly intrusive. I hardly ever use them myself, but for a purpose like Rufus', I see their great utility. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 lost my profile
I just sent you a direct email explaining why this was happening, it seems that if I only click Reply the only address that is put in the address bar is the initiating sender, in this case you, and if I click Reply All it puts the sender's, the groups (support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org) and the newsgroup (mozilla.support.seamonkey) I'm guessing that the problem is that I'm reading these as email and not in the newsgroup. Again Sorry Leonidas Jones wrote: William Morrison wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Sarah Austin wrote: I just took the simple route and deleted 2.0 and kept 1.1.18. I hope they fix this in future versions. No, it isn't going to get fixed. The big problem here is that you seem to have jumped into this without understanding just how big a jump this is. It's not ike the changr from say 1.0 to 1.1. In essence SeaMonkey 2.0 is a new application entirely. That makes it a big transition from 1.1.18, for which you do seem to be prepared. Its not going to be made any easier. I see three choices for you. 1) Remain with 1.1.18 which is a dead end, it will not be updated. 2)Make the jump to 2.0. 3) Transition to Firefox. Since you seem interested in the browser only, the 3rd choice may well be the best option in your case. Good luck! I hope for your system that you uninstalled it and not as you said deleted it leaving all setting in your registry and files spread out all over your hard drive. Bill, For three days now, every time you reply to one of my posts, you have been sending me an email as well. This would occur if you are using reply All instead of Reply, so that is the most likely culprit. Please stop. I see the responses in the group, sending me email to just clogs up my inbox to no good purpose. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey -- Big Bill Massillon, Oh USA 71 WheelHorse 800 Automatic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/800Automatic/ 73 Capri Mk1 2.6L http://www.geocities.com/krazy650/krazy650.html 77 Kawasaki KZ650 .652L 93 Ford Tempo 2.3L HSC 93 Saab 900S 2.1L 97 Mercury Sable 3.0L ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0
Arne wrote: You mean that I can't even opt out the Chat? Contrary to MailNews, ChatZilla is an extension which just happens to come pre-installed with SeaMonkey 2. AFAIK you cannot opt-out during the installation (never used the installer) but afterwards you can simply uninstall (or just disable) it using the Add-on Manager. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Seamonkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:44:52 -0500, Leonidas Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: You should thank our Mac expert stefanh. He spent a lot of time and effort fine tuning the Default theme for the Mac; so much so that it's almost a separate theme. It is beautiful indeed, though grippies support would be nice. He tried several variations but all of them looked significantly non-native on a OS X desktop. Phil That's interesting. In the Modern theme as included, you almost can't even see them. In Sailfish's themes thay are a little more obvious, but hardly intrusive. I hardly ever use them myself, but for a purpose like Rufus', I see their great utility. Lee Have you ever wanted to mark a group of post read, see subjects you not interested in even reading marked read. just click on the Grippy collapse the message window. Command click on items you want to mark as read or shift scroll to choose hit command R (Or Control R) and Poof they are marked when finished highlight next message you want to start at. Click to expand message pane and you good to go. Good example. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 lost my profile
Leonidas Jones leonidasjo...@netscape.net wrote : Sarah Austin wrote: I just took the simple route and deleted 2.0 and kept 1.1.18. I hope they fix this in future versions. No, it isn't going to get fixed. The big problem here is that you seem to have jumped into this without understanding just how big a jump this is. It's not ike the changr from say 1.0 to 1.1. In essence SeaMonkey 2.0 is a new application entirely. That makes it a big transition from 1.1.18, for which you do seem to be prepared. Its not going to be made any easier. I see three choices for you. 1) Remain with 1.1.18 which is a dead end, it will not be updated. 2)Make the jump to 2.0. 3) Transition to Firefox. Since you seem interested in the browser only, the 3rd choice may well be the best option in your case. Good luck! Lee I see. Ok, thanks. I'll have to follow those instructions then. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 lost my profile
William Morrison krazy...@sssnet.com wrote : Leonidas Jones wrote: Sarah Austin wrote: I just took the simple route and deleted 2.0 and kept 1.1.18. I hope they fix this in future versions. No, it isn't going to get fixed. The big problem here is that you seem to have jumped into this without understanding just how big a jump this is. It's not ike the changr from say 1.0 to 1.1. In essence SeaMonkey 2.0 is a new application entirely. That makes it a big transition from 1.1.18, for which you do seem to be prepared. Its not going to be made any easier. I see three choices for you. 1) Remain with 1.1.18 which is a dead end, it will not be updated. 2)Make the jump to 2.0. 3) Transition to Firefox. Since you seem interested in the browser only, the 3rd choice may well be the best option in your case. Good luck! I hope for your system that you uninstalled it and not as you said deleted it leaving all setting in your registry and files spread out all over your hard drive. I used control panel. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
Kent Briggs wrote: Kent Briggs wrote: I think the delay is in proportion to how many posts are in the groups. Some of those 13 have tens of thousands of posts in them. I have since confirmed this by unsubscribing to all my groups and then resubscribing. However this time I told it only grab the last 500 headers (instead of all 6 in one case) and now SeaMonkey opens the server and checks for new messages in just a couple of seconds. So version 2.0 is doing a lousy job at finding new messages for newsgroups with a large message base whereas previous versions did not have this problem. If I read you right, you /chose/ to download only the most recent 500 headers, and not the full set. It seems unreasonable to complain that SeaMonkey didn't do something you told it not to do. Or are you saying that it no longer offers the option of downloading the full set? If you want the full set, I would think you could close SM, delete the corresponding MSF file, and restart and it would offer the option of downloading the full set, unless that option has been removed. On my computer (still using version 1), the index file for this newsgroup is located at C:\Documents and Settings\My Username\Application Data\ Mozilla\Profiles\Profilename\.slt\News\ news.mozilla.org\mozilla.support.seamonkey.msf I would think index files for other newsgroups would be easy to find using this example. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Walnut theme
Phillip Jones wrote: JAS wrote: I used a theme, Walnut by Alfred Kayser years ago and wonder if it could be updated for use with SM 2.0. I really liked it and was easy on my eyes. Most of the themes except the default seem to be to bold or to dark for my preference. I am really enjoying SM 2 and have little or no trouble with it. JAS Its still available for windows machines. Yes but it does not work with SM2 and Lighting and the toolbar in Navigator does not sho the composer,address book or email. -- You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the hands of someone else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0
Jens Hatlak wrote: Arne wrote: You mean that I can't even opt out the Chat? Contrary to MailNews, ChatZilla is an extension which just happens to come pre-installed with SeaMonkey 2. AFAIK you cannot opt-out during the installation (never used the installer) but afterwards you can simply uninstall (or just disable) it using the Add-on Manager. HTH Jens Does this Add-On Manager only occur in 2.0? I don't see it in 1.1.18. Thanks, keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Am I the only one using a portal home page
William Morrison wrote: Daniel wrote: William Morrison wrote: why wrote: Hey David I must be having a blond moment I can't for the life of me remember where 2.0 stores the Bookmark.html file and I like to setup my opening mail window to open like this, can you tell me where it's stored. Its in your profile folder. If you don't know where it is, the easy way is to do a system search for bookmarks.html. Make sure that searching hidden files and folders are selected. Verify that those are your bookmarks, then use those. Ok thanks, what I wanted to do was have the opening mail message pane display it on startup but it says it's the wrong protocol. I guess it has to have a actual web address to open it there not just a html file. Sorry, Bill, did you really mean to say that you wanted to open the bookmarks file (i.e. the one that has all you www page addresses in it) in the mail and news page (the one where you use addresses like f...@someplace.ca?? Daniel Yes that is what I wanted to do but seems can't be done at least not in the message pane i used to have Netscape News open there when I ran NS 7.2 but since I can't open my bookmarks there I now have it set to open my Yahoo Mail page. So now with one click I can see if I have mail from all four of my major mail services. But I like your idea of having it set as your home page but allowing bookmark manager continually update it. Having my bookmarks as a homepage alone is to big and does not give me one screen with 75 links in one shot. but I think by the comments I am one of a few that use a portal document thanks ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0
Keith Whaley wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Arne wrote: You mean that I can't even opt out the Chat? Contrary to MailNews, ChatZilla is an extension which just happens to come pre-installed with SeaMonkey 2. AFAIK you cannot opt-out during the installation (never used the installer) but afterwards you can simply uninstall (or just disable) it using the Add-on Manager. HTH Jens Does this Add-On Manager only occur in 2.0? I don't see it in 1.1.18. Thanks, keith Indeed, it is the single most important addition to SM 2.0. NOw it is simple to install, remove, and manage extensions and themes, a constant battle in the older versions. For me that makes it worth updgarding all by itself. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
Kent Briggs wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Or are you saying that it no longer offers the option of downloading the full set? No, you need to read up in the thread, starting with the first post. The problem is the speed at which SM 2.0 opens a news server and bolds the groups with new messages. It's dog slow (like up to 1 minute for 13 groups) if the groups have tens of thousands of (already read) posts in them. It was not slow in 1.1.18 and previous versions. OK, that's a relief. And if one minute for 13 groups with tens of thousands of headers each is dog slow for you, it's a major upgrade for me. What do you have, a T1 line or something? FiOS? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2: Opening new windows
Interviewed by CNN on 8/11/2009 14:36, Kent Briggs told the world: MCBastos wrote: Edit your registry settings to add the -new-window argument to the command used to open Seamonkey. The page below lists the command-line arguments syntax for Firefox, which should work on Seamonkey 2 too. It doesn't, I just tried it. Bummer. I forgot to mention, you should ALSO include an URL for the new window to open (syntax is in the page referred to in the previous message). Try it first with a lightweight page such as the basic Google page; if it works but you don't want a default page, then try using about:blank or a local HTML file. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... I am shocked - shocked! - to discover that gambling is taking place here! -Captain Louis Renault * TagZilla 0.0661 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org on Seamonkey 2.0 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: file reading assignment?
Walter wrote: Where in preferences or elsewhere do I tell SeaMonkey which program to use in opening a particular kind of file, i.e. .jpg, exe, doc, tef, ? I have tried the setting in preferences/helper applications but it makes no difference. See also Edit | Preferences | Advanced | System... If that doesn't help, report back with details of what's happening and when and one of the experts will jump in and help. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: file reading assignment?
Walter wrote: Where in preferences or elsewhere do I tell SeaMonkey which program to use in opening a particular kind of file, i.e. .jpg, exe, doc, tef, ? I have tried the setting in preferences/helper applications but it makes no difference. w. sm 1.1.18 win xp, sp3 I am assumong that it not behaves as Firefox does. You can edit existing entries, but you cannot add them. Rather, the first time an unknown file type is encountered, you make a selection which is added to the list. Do I understand that you have tried to edit an existing entry, but the setting doesn't stick? If so, try setting the file type in question to always ask, then navigate to such a file type and set it that way. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: file reading assignment?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Walter wrote: Where in preferences or elsewhere do I tell SeaMonkey which program to use in opening a particular kind of file, i.e. .jpg, exe, doc, tef, ? I have tried the setting in preferences/helper applications but it makes no difference. See also Edit | Preferences | Advanced | System... If that doesn't help, report back with details of what's happening and when and one of the experts will jump in and help. I am trying to read a .tef file created by TablEdit, a program which creates tablature for musical instruments. There is a special font (tef265.ttf) Which this program uses. It is in my font file. When I click on a .tef file (http://everythingdulcimer.com/tab/Be_thou_my_vision_DAD.tef) instead of the notes and tab numbers, question marks are in those positions. If I do a shift/click then SeaMonkey file download manager kicks in and then I can click on launch file and the file is displayed correctly with notes and tab numbers and I can play the song and make adds/changes. This problem has occurred in the past two months whereby it had worked for several years before. I believe I have made a change somewhere but I cannot find it. Under Preferences/helper applications I have added application/tef and under file type details I have added open these files with tabledit.exe This makes no difference. If you need further clarification I will try to supply it. W. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0
Leonidas Jones wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Arne wrote: You mean that I can't even opt out the Chat? Contrary to MailNews, ChatZilla is an extension which just happens to come pre-installed with SeaMonkey 2. AFAIK you cannot opt-out during the installation (never used the installer) but afterwards you can simply uninstall (or just disable) it using the Add-on Manager. Jens Does this Add-On Manager only occur in 2.0? I don't see it in 1.1.18. Thanks, keith Indeed, it is the single most important addition to SM 2.0. NOw it is simple to install, remove, and manage extensions and themes, a constant battle in the older versions. For me that makes it worth updgarding all by itself. Lee It sounds as tho' it might be indeed! I'll look forward to using it. AND getting rid of Chatzilla! g Many thanks, keith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send mail with SM 2
Daisy Zhao wrote: chicagofan wrote: Daisy Zhao wrote: I unchecked Use name and passward,and try to send mail, but: Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because the connection to SMTP server smtp.gmail.com timed out. Try again or contact your network administrator. My mail server is gmail. I understand a time out message is not uncommon with gmail recently, because they've been having more problems than usual. Are you still having this problem today?bj yep :( I checked every step for smtp setting on gmail's configuring page,but the problem's still there. Receiving messages has no problem,but if I want to reply a mail,I have to go back to gmail's page! Ridiculous,isn't? I was hoping someone else would come along, and help you out, because I'm not familiar with Gmail, and I'm not sure... I know what you're trying to do. Does this link help you at all? http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=75725 bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0
Keith Whaley wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Arne wrote: You mean that I can't even opt out the Chat? Contrary to MailNews, ChatZilla is an extension which just happens to come pre-installed with SeaMonkey 2. AFAIK you cannot opt-out during the installation (never used the installer) but afterwards you can simply uninstall (or just disable) it using the Add-on Manager. Jens Does this Add-On Manager only occur in 2.0? I don't see it in 1.1.18. Thanks, keith Indeed, it is the single most important addition to SM 2.0. NOw it is simple to install, remove, and manage extensions and themes, a constant battle in the older versions. For me that makes it worth updgarding all by itself. Lee It sounds as tho' it might be indeed! I'll look forward to using it. AND getting rid of Chatzilla! g Many thanks, keith I don't use chatzilla a whole lot, but when I do, I appreciate it. It is a very effective IRC chat client. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
Kent Briggs wrote: I upgraded from 1.18 to 2. The newsgroup reader is much much slower opening a newsgroup now. The title bar flashes not responding on and off while it slowly goes down the list checking the individual groups on the particular news server I just expanded. I subscribe to several different news servers and it's slow on all of them. In 1.18 and earlier versions this only took a few seconds. Another issue is that when I do click on a group, they are usually scrolled all the way to bottom whereas in previous versions, they were always positioned at the top. I had Vista-64 Home Premium when I installed SM 2. I upgraded to Windows 7-64 Ultimate yesterday but that has had no effect on the newsgroup reader. Well, as a comparison, I have 12 groups on this account, the new posts populated in a couple of seconds. It really hasn't seemed any different comparing 2.0 with 1.1.18 here. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: No, you need to read up in the thread, starting with the first post. The problem is the speed at which SM 2.0 opens a news server and bolds the groups with new messages. It's dog slow (like up to 1 minute for 13 groups) if the groups have tens of thousands of (already read) posts in them. It was not slow in 1.1.18 and previous versions. OK, that's a relief. And if one minute for 13 groups with tens of thousands of headers each is dog slow for you, it's a major upgrade for me. What do you have, a T1 line or something? FiOS? Just a cable modem. I'm just talking expanding the news server node and seeing the 13 groups it contains. That's what takes a minute in SM 2.0 and brings the computer to its knees. No messages are being displayed yet. It was taking that long just to bold the groups that had new messages. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2: Opening new windows
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 8/11/2009 14:36, Kent Briggs told the world: MCBastos wrote: Edit your registry settings to add the -new-window argument to the command used to open Seamonkey. The page below lists the command-line arguments syntax for Firefox, which should work on Seamonkey 2 too. It doesn't, I just tried it. Bummer. I forgot to mention, you should ALSO include an URL for the new window to open (syntax is in the page referred to in the previous message). Nope, still just overwrites the focused window. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee . . And it is much appreciated. I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Incidentally, I always used reply on the mailing list just as I have here; that doesn't work on the mailing list. Thanks, James ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM2 not showing home page on opening
My home page is my bookmark file. Setting is for browser to open on home page. This has worked for years with multiple versions including SM2 until today. I changed to the following: show website icons aggressively look for website icons and always load website icons for bookmarks. After doing this and restarting, the browser opened with a blank page. If I clicked on home page it showed the bookmark file. I went back and changed every preference back the way It was originally and browser still opens with a blank page. Any suggestions? Using winXP -- Gerald Ross Cochran, GA Preserve Bacteria.. Its the only culture some people have. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
In news:3iadnwfge7zk_grxnz2dnuvz_vsdn...@mozilla.org, James res07...@gte.net wrote: I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If you're receiving all the list e-mails, instead of just digests, simply replying should work fine without creating new threads. (You weren't actually creating new threads, but your replies were threaded under the digest posts, which most people don't have copies of.) If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Digests are mostly useful for people who want to keep up with what's going on in a list without actually participating. People who want to subscribe to the digests only but still reply to them should do what you did, changing the Subject, but also mention in the body that they're replying to digests so the regulars don't get bent out of shape. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / against html e-mailX http://asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
Leonidas Jones wrote: Well, as a comparison, I have 12 groups on this account, the new posts populated in a couple of seconds. It really hasn't seemed any different comparing 2.0 with 1.1.18 here. If you do a View|Threads|All, how many posts are there? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
On 11/08/2009 01:40 PM, Kent Briggs wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Or are you saying that it no longer offers the option of downloading the full set? No, you need to read up in the thread, starting with the first post. The problem is the speed at which SM 2.0 opens a news server and bolds the groups with new messages. It's dog slow (like up to 1 minute for 13 groups) if the groups have tens of thousands of (already read) posts in them. It was not slow in 1.1.18 and previous versions. I had issues with large newsgroups proviously (after switching to 2.x - many early test versions), but lately things seem to have settled down. Regarding large newsgroups, I use gmane.org for lists following are some samples of the amount of headers I have: gmane.comp.openoffice.releases - 6252 (goes back to 2005) gmane.comp.openoffice.questions - 17946 (haven't bother to load all) gmane.linux.ubuntu.user - 200054 (goes back to 2004) etc., etc., etc, for well over 30 newsgroups on news.gmane.org Since changing to news.update_unread_on_expand;false I'm fairly happy with the 2.0 performance when compared to 1.1.18 (I run them in parallel - so it's easy to compare). Keep in mind that sometimes the news server itself may be the issue. Run both 1.1.18 and 2.0 in parallel to check. Perhaps the issue is that your newsgroup files are attempting to download _all_ headers from each group rather than the most recent 500/1000 whatever. Maybe check on your 1.1.18 see how many headers it has for a particular group compare? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
Kent Briggs wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Well, as a comparison, I have 12 groups on this account, the new posts populated in a couple of seconds. It really hasn't seemed any different comparing 2.0 with 1.1.18 here. If you do a View|Threads|All, how many posts are there? In this group? 1206. The others range from 100 or so to 1500. I don't need to change view settings to see that, it shows in the status bar. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
James wrote: James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee . . And it is much appreciated. I still would appreciate it if anyone can tell me if there is a way to PROPERLY reply [without creating the problem with new threads] from the mailing list interface. If there is not then why the heck is it even provided? Members of this list obviously don't want to have to struggle with a new thread with every reply. Incidentally, I always used reply on the mailing list just as I have here; that doesn't work on the mailing list. Thanks, James I know Reply All worked in the email client going through support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org but you had to remove the originating sender so they don't get double of what you send but don't know if it works the same in newsgroup so I'm sending this through newsgroup. If you get this from the newsgroup and as a direct email James and this threads correctly I would suggest using the Reply All. If not then your guess is as good as mine. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0
On 11/08/2009 06:52 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Arne wrote: You mean that I can't even opt out the Chat? Contrary to MailNews, ChatZilla is an extension which just happens to come pre-installed with SeaMonkey 2. AFAIK you cannot opt-out during the installation (never used the installer) but afterwards you can simply uninstall (or just disable) it using the Add-on Manager. HTH Jens Does this Add-On Manager only occur in 2.0? I don't see it in 1.1.18. Thanks, Keith Yes only in SM2.0 You can emulate such, by adding two extensions (I think they are called extension installer and then Extension uninstaller.) I tried them and it never worked as it should. The addons manager is one thing I jump and shout about :) Why? If the OP wishes to uninstall Chatzilla all he/she needs to do is bring up the add-on manager uninstall. Does this not work for you? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
Leonidas Jones wrote: If you do a View|Threads|All, how many posts are there? In this group? 1206. The others range from 100 or so to 1500. Yeah, that's nothing. The delays show up when you got multiple groups with 50,000 or more posts in them. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0
NoOp wrote: On 11/08/2009 06:52 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Arne wrote: You mean that I can't even opt out the Chat? Contrary to MailNews, ChatZilla is an extension which just happens to come pre-installed with SeaMonkey 2. AFAIK you cannot opt-out during the installation (never used the installer) but afterwards you can simply uninstall (or just disable) it using the Add-on Manager. HTH Jens Does this Add-On Manager only occur in 2.0? I don't see it in 1.1.18. Thanks, Keith Yes only in SM2.0 You can emulate such, by adding two extensions (I think they are called extension installer and then Extension uninstaller.) I tried them and it never worked as it should. The addons manager is one thing I jump and shout about :) Why? If the OP wishes to uninstall Chatzilla all he/she needs to do is bring up the add-on manager uninstall. Does this not work for you? Phillip's response was reply to Keith, who asked about the Addons Manager, and is still on 1.1.18. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
Leonidas Jones wrote: Kent Briggs wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Well, as a comparison, I have 12 groups on this account, the new posts populated in a couple of seconds. It really hasn't seemed any different comparing 2.0 with 1.1.18 here. If you do a View|Threads|All, how many posts are there? In this group? 1206. The others range from 100 or so to 1500. I don't need to change view settings to see that, it shows in the status bar. FWIW, my status bar for this group reads: Unread: 14 Total: 9525 -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
On 11/08/2009 07:10 PM, Kent Briggs wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: If you do a View|Threads|All, how many posts are there? In this group? 1206. The others range from 100 or so to 1500. Yeah, that's nothing. The delays show up when you got multiple groups with 50,000 or more posts in them. You may have missed this from my previous post: gmane.linux.ubuntu.user - 200054 (goes back to 2004) That is: 200,054 and is 4 times your 50,000 posts. Scroll up to the top to the group, click instantaneously get: Newsgroups: gmane.linux.ubuntu.user Subject: Re: D-Link Airplus DWL-G650+ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:03:11 +0200 Lines: 33 and the current posts are now 200,088. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: file reading assignment?
Walter wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Walter wrote: Where in preferences or elsewhere do I tell SeaMonkey which program to use in opening a particular kind of file, i.e. .jpg, exe, doc, tef, ? I have tried the setting in preferences/helper applications but it makes no difference. See also Edit | Preferences | Advanced | System... If that doesn't help, report back with details of what's happening and when and one of the experts will jump in and help. I am trying to read a .tef file created by TablEdit, a program which creates tablature for musical instruments. There is a special font (tef265.ttf) Which this program uses. It is in my font file. When I click on a .tef file (http://everythingdulcimer.com/tab/Be_thou_my_vision_DAD.tef) instead of the notes and tab numbers, question marks are in those positions. If I do a shift/click then SeaMonkey file download manager kicks in and then I can click on launch file and the file is displayed correctly with notes and tab numbers and I can play the song and make adds/changes. This problem has occurred in the past two months whereby it had worked for several years before. I believe I have made a change somewhere but I cannot find it. Under Preferences/helper applications I have added application/tef and under file type details I have added open these files with tabledit.exe This makes no difference. If you need further clarification I will try to supply it. To me, the question marks sound like a font issue, not a program issue. Your system is behaving as if it doesn't have the right font and substituting one it does have, and there are no glyphs at those positions in the font it does have. On my system, which doesn't have that font, SM opens it as a text file and displays in Courier New, so of course I get white question marks in black diamonds. What happens if you launch TablEdit and open the file directly from there? (just do CTRL-O and paste the URL into the dialog). If it opens fine, SM has a problem and I would look at its font settings (e.g., Edit | Appearance | Fonts | Allow documents to use other fonts); if not, then it's a system-wide problem and not SM's fault. But I'm just a power user, not an expert, so take this with a grain of salt. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 not showing home page on opening
On 11/8/2009 4:34 PM, Gerald Ross wrote: My home page is my bookmark file. Setting is for browser to open on home page. This has worked for years with multiple versions including SM2 until today. I changed to the following: show website icons aggressively look for website icons and always load website icons for bookmarks. After doing this and restarting, the browser opened with a blank page. If I clicked on home page it showed the bookmark file. I went back and changed every preference back the way It was originally and browser still opens with a blank page. Any suggestions? Using winXP Also using WinXP. On the menu bar, I went to [Edit Preferences]. On the Preferences window, I selected Browser. On the Browser pane, under Display on, I selected the Home page radio button for all three items in the pull-down selection list. Under Home Page on the saem Browser pane, I used the Choose File button to navigate to my bookmark.html file. However, if you browse in more than one profile, you might not get your home page when you startup except for the profile you were in when you terminated. See bug #525242 at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525242. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Slow Newsgroup Reader
On 11/8/2009 7:52 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Kent Briggs wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Well, as a comparison, I have 12 groups on this account, the new posts populated in a couple of seconds. It really hasn't seemed any different comparing 2.0 with 1.1.18 here. If you do a View|Threads|All, how many posts are there? In this group? 1206. The others range from 100 or so to 1500. I don't need to change view settings to see that, it shows in the status bar. FWIW, my status bar for this group reads: Unread: 14 Total: 9525 Hmmm, I show 43,739. I guess it depends on how many headers were downloaded when the group was initially subscribed? I always download all headers (as I have a connection that makes this easy). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0. Archives and newsgroups
Jens Hatlak wrote: John Doue wrote: It looks like that whatever settings are chosen for Newsgroup, a copy of a sent post is stored as Archives in a folder chosen by the user. Is this correct, or am I misunderstand the meaning of Archives? The new Archive feature is a purely manual one. If you choose Archive from the Message menu or context menu of one or more selected mails (or use the shortcut, Shift+A), SeaMonkey puts a copy of those in the Archives folder that is set in Account Settings. HTH Jens Thanks, I had not realized there was a new Archives command in the Menu. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Ubuntu 8.04 .deb package (64-bit) , also for Debian 5
Anonymous S. wrote: Lou 提到: Since Ubuntu won't release SM 2.0 for 8.04 (Hardy Heron), I decided to compile it myself and made a .deb package. Anyone interested in trying it can get it here (click on seamonkey_2.0-1_amd64.deb to download) http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=9db35479c75a777d08f8df73f2072ed6e04e75f6e8ebb871 It installs to /usr/local/lib/seamonkey-2.0 and the executable goes to /usr/local/bin/seamonkey. On a standard Ubuntu installation, that should be on your path and should run from a terminal with no problems, but you may have to edit the menu entry (KDE, Gnome,) to point to the right place. Thanks! It's also working on Debian 5 (I'm testing this .deb with Debian 5.0.3 , stable distribution, amd64, GNOME) At first I installed SM2 as root account (without caution...), but looks like everything was fine. I can run seamonkey as normal user account. but I can not run SM2 from /usr/local/bin/seamonkey (so I removed it later. --sorry I forgot the error message.) Instead of it, another path /usr/local/lib/seamonkey-2.0/seamonkey is OK. This package is helpful, so I don't have to ready an environment for building SM2. Relaxing. I'm glad it is working for you. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Leonidas Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: James wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: James wrote: Daniel wrote: James wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: JeffMjef...@email.com To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? Message-ID: f128071f-7ded-43ff-be69-38c63e1a7...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 James wrote: /snip/ James, for future reference, when posting here with a problem, ALWAYS use reply, so that your messages stay in one threading, so people can chase up whats been suggested before so they don't repeat what others have said. Then, to stop each post getting too long, you can snip (i.e. cut and delete) out the old stuff (as Lee did a few posts back), just leaving enough for people to follow whats going on. Good to see you've fixed your problem. Daniel For the record, James was using the mailing list interface, and receiving a digest of posts periodically. Using the Reply key was going to send a reply to the entire digest, and would not have threaded anyhow. We got him set up on the news server and all is well. Lee O.K!! My mistake. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
