Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
NoOp wrote: On 12/25/2009 05:09 PM, Rufus wrote: NoOp wrote: ... What if you grandmother would like to use SM because you recommended it? Or your 3rd grade aged nephew? Actually, my 89 y.o. grandmother, her 60 y.0. live-in nurse, my 2nd grade nephew, and multiple relatives that haven't the simplest clue about browsers email clients use SeaMonkey daily. As do nearly one hundred of my commercial client installations. And do they manipulate about:config, or do any of the more advanced workarounds that you suggest for us power users? Yes. I support them remotely, and generally they can follow instructions pretty well. All I'm saying is that an average user should not have to resort to such in order to solve problems or implement preferences - and that the basic program should be informative and flexible enough that they shouldn't have to. So go find another program that will suit your needs. I don't usually say this, but I think it's time that you get a grip regarding SeaMonkey, or move on to something else that suits your requirements. Your continued bitching about SeaMonkey not meeing this, or that, or whatever, has quite frankly become quite irritating. In all honesty, I'm begining to pity the company that you work/consult for. ...remember that next time you travel by air...from engines to ATC. A lot of the tech pubs written in support of those operations are standardized to a 6th to 8th grade user level. Well, let's see... I probably started working on US government aircraft well before you were born - does circa 1971 work for you?. I worked for McDonnell Douglas for many years. I've been reading and working with (including editing) tech manuals (US covernment and civilian) for over 30 years. Most of the time that I've ended up editing such manuals was due to some dit that decided that they should have been written at a 6th to 8th grade user level I then needed to edit them so that someone with a reasonable reading comprehension could actually understand them. ...I should look you up in the book, then. What would you propose SeaMonkey be dumbed down to? Would you propose that about:config, prefs.js, and other user modifiable sections simply not become available? I would propose that the basic, non-extended, as delivered product be coded to suit the widest possible user base, so that the widest number of users can use it - easily. As delivered, it is dumbed down by default, and I seriously doubt that many of your relatives go editing component files of the app on their own...at least, not without consulting you. I would propose that you either: 1) find another product, or 2) write your own. For if SeaMonkey ever becomes what you desire I will certainly do #1 above. SM 1.1.18 is what I desire. It works quite nicely, and I'll keep using it. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2: Problems With SeaMonkey Default Theme 1.0
Phillip Jones skriver:
Stefan wrote:
art skriver:
1) In the navigator window Personal Toolbar, the rightmost bookmark item
will occasionally overlap the dropdown menu icon depending on the
overall window size. This appears to be unique to the bookmark list. The
location edit box does not exhibit this behavior (it does not overlap
the history dropdown menu).
If I'm not mistaken, there is a bug filed for this. IIRC it's an old
problem - I think 1.1.x also had this issue.
2) The show/hide icons for the toolbars, address area, etc. at the left
side of the window are not present in the mail, compose or navigator
windows. The only way to control them is via the View:Show/Hide menu.
Oh, you mean the grippies?
toolbargrippy {
display: -moz-box !important;
} in userChrome.css should get them back.
Beware that it doesn't look that nice, though ;-)
/Stefan
Use any theme other than the default theme and you get grippies. I've
Lcarstrek
Orbit 3+1 which I am currently using
SkyPilot that I can use but interferes with QuoteColors,
SeaMonkey Modern,
Venerable Modern,
Walnut which has some missing or generic icons,
and then SeaMonkey Default.
Default is the only without the grippies.
Yes, and the reason is that the default theme should blend in with the
OS as much as possible. I do agree that you could argue that there is
missing functionality, but I fail to see how the current toolbar
grippies could be made to fit in nicely in a unified toolbar. Note also
that the default theme has functionality that for example Modern lacks
(dragging the window from the toolbar/status bar).
Get with the program please. Forget about Apple suggestion for user
interface.
And get a user interface designed for windows/linux?
They are not interested in the amount of space taken to
create the grippies and the fly up fly down ,and fly in/out window
action. Heck even the Mac Addressbook and, and Kodak Easy Share have fly
out side windows. and iPhoto has some fly-down windows with a grippy bar
of its own.
I looked at Addressbook and iPhoto and I don't see any toolbar grippies
in those apps.
/Stefan
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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Rufus skriver: Stefan wrote: Rufus skriver: Then there was the whole of the new default more Mac-like interface...I was only able to tolerate that about four days, then I replaced it with the other Modern one. And I'm a Mac user...I do have to say, the folks on Thunderbird did a way better job making a Mac-like Mac presentation - kudos there. I guess it's obvious, but you have seriously failed to communicate what you actually thought was so wrong with the theme changes. /Stefan I did in detail, but in another thread...so I saw no need to repeat that. I think the thread had SM 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations in the title. But briefly, as I recall everyone had some common complaints with it - the most common one being it's lack of grippies; and the best solution I recall for that was to make the entire bar area a grippie for snap open/close of the sidebar and such. That was a real convenience deal-breaker for me using a laptop, and probably the single biggest reason I switched to the other Theme. Another was that certain areas of the navigation bar are not intuitively available to right-click - some of the larger areas that seem like they should respond to a right-click don't respond. And I think described a number of other issues which gave rise to particular problems for a laptop user...if you want, I can look back and re-post here - but I've been saving all of my observations for drafting formal bug reports. One of the big reasons I haven't written formal bug reports (yet - I have been quoted in the too-small buttons report thread) is that I've become pretty confident that they won't be responded to as a result of all the single-ended venom I've read over the too-small buttons. I think the first (sidebar grippies) falls in the theme category. I've been trying to figure out how that can be solved and still retaining a modern mac look. If the whole area should respond to open/close clicks it might conflict with the drag behaviour. It might be possible to design something in line with Apple's Mail, though. The navigation bar right-click issue is a core bug that I think is already filed. I think what happens is that the topmost area is still considered a title bar by the back-end code and thus it doesn't respond to right-clicks. /Stefan ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2: Problems With SeaMonkey Default Theme 1.0
On 12/25/09 9:27 PM, Stefan wrote:
art skriver:
1) In the navigator window Personal Toolbar, the rightmost bookmark item
will occasionally overlap the dropdown menu icon depending on the
overall window size. This appears to be unique to the bookmark list. The
location edit box does not exhibit this behavior (it does not overlap
the history dropdown menu).
If I'm not mistaken, there is a bug filed for this. IIRC it's an old
problem - I think 1.1.x also had this issue.
2) The show/hide icons for the toolbars, address area, etc. at the left
side of the window are not present in the mail, compose or navigator
windows. The only way to control them is via the View:Show/Hide menu.
Oh, you mean the grippies?
toolbargrippy {
display: -moz-box !important;
} in userChrome.css should get them back.
Beware that it doesn't look that nice, though ;-)
Thanks, that addresses #2.
#1 may be related to the size of the box model for the #PersonalToolbar
node or one of its' children. Unfortunately, the DOM Blink Selected
Element is not functional on the MacOS X version and thus makes this a
challenge to chase down.
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Re: Happens every Year .
Philip Chee wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:37:06 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote: Democrat refer in this discussion to the person who votes Democratic party affiliation. While Republican refers either, the Party itself or the Party Affiliation You Can be a Liberal Democrat, or Conservative Democrat or Moderate Democrat. You Can be a Liberal Republican, a Moderate Republican, or Conservative Republican. Then there are Independents. You forgot the Libertarians. Phil I know. After No Op Comment about I was arguing, I noted I forgotten about Libertarians. Noted is was not arguing just explaining. I'm use to being fussed at. Because I have the same affliction my dad had he could say or write something and mean it one way, and people would take it being insulting or argumentative, when he was Joking or explaining. I have the same gift. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Change font/font size in Seamonkey2.0
Hi Stanimir and Dave, many thanks for your help and i came to following results: - i changed to the next eCS version 2.0 RC7 and got Seamonkey 2.0.1 and the face (screen) of seamonkey looks good again. - the problem that seamonkey did not react to my userchrome.css was: i did not know that switching from 1.1.18 to 2.0 creates a new different profile. my fault. Have a nice day and thanks, Karl Dave Yeo schrieb: On 12/25/09 09:34 am, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:55:28 +0100,/Karl/: my problem is the to large text in the seamonkey UI. And all previous version (until 1.1.18)works fine and has adapt the underlaying system UI of eCS/os2. May be it is related to the source of your build (its configuration) - do you build it on your own, or get it from somewhere? If you're using a pre-built binary, do you get SeaMonkey 1.1.18 and SeaMonkey 2.0 from the same place? I'm cross-posting this to mozilla.dev.ports.os2, just in case. The problem is that Seamonkey 2.x (and newer Firefox etc) uses fontconfig and freetype. Our port does not support bit mapped fonts so the default WarpSans font does not display. The workaround is to install the TrueType Workplace Sans font located at http://users.socis.ca/~ataylo00/creative/fonts/ Note that there are a couple of versions and which is better is an individual preference. This is all clearly documented in the README along with other issues such as incomplete printing support (only puts a PDF on desktop) Dave ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Re: Remove of Home and Bookmark Button
Ksteinsky wrote: Hi, until seamonkey 1.1.18 i could remove Home and Bookmark bottons from private toolbar using Edit/Preference/Navigator-page. There i could deselect both bottons for displaying. My question is: where and how can i do to get the same effect with seamonkey 2.0. Thanks a lot. Karl I assume you mean the Personal Toolbar? Right click on an empty space on the toolbar and choose Customize. Drag the buttons you don't want into the dialog window, or to another location on another toolbar as desired. Click Done and they should be gone, or rearranged as you wish. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2: Problems With SeaMonkey Default Theme 1.0
Phillip Jones wrote:
Stefan wrote:
art skriver:
1) In the navigator window Personal Toolbar, the rightmost bookmark item
will occasionally overlap the dropdown menu icon depending on the
overall window size. This appears to be unique to the bookmark list. The
location edit box does not exhibit this behavior (it does not overlap
the history dropdown menu).
If I'm not mistaken, there is a bug filed for this. IIRC it's an old
problem - I think 1.1.x also had this issue.
2) The show/hide icons for the toolbars, address area, etc. at the left
side of the window are not present in the mail, compose or navigator
windows. The only way to control them is via the View:Show/Hide menu.
Oh, you mean the grippies?
toolbargrippy {
display: -moz-box !important;
} in userChrome.css should get them back.
Beware that it doesn't look that nice, though ;-)
/Stefan
Use any theme other than the default theme and you get grippies. I've
Lcarstrek
Orbit 3+1 which I am currently using
SkyPilot that I can use but interferes with QuoteColors,
SeaMonkey Modern,
Venerable Modern,
Walnut which has some missing or generic icons,
and then SeaMonkey Default.
Default is the only without the grippies.
Get with the program please. Forget about Apple suggestion for user
interface. They are not interested in the amount of space taken to
create the grippies and the fly up fly down ,and fly in/out window
action. Heck even the Mac Addressbook and, and Kodak Easy Share have fly
out side windows. and iPhoto has some fly-down windows with a grippy bar
of its own.
I've re-examined the default theme.. Turns out there is not much to do
to get the grippy action back.
If you'll look ther is the actual bar but with a center Dot. (which
currently does nothing put in code to click on the dot (circle) for the
fly up fly down or fly right left action to engage on clicking on the
dot, will fix the problem No extra cosmetic Changes needed I will put
some screen shots pointing out the dot, and put on my site for you to
look at.
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Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Stefan wrote: Rufus skriver: Stefan wrote: Rufus skriver: Then there was the whole of the new default more Mac-like interface...I was only able to tolerate that about four days, then I replaced it with the other Modern one. And I'm a Mac user...I do have to say, the folks on Thunderbird did a way better job making a Mac-like Mac presentation - kudos there. I guess it's obvious, but you have seriously failed to communicate what you actually thought was so wrong with the theme changes. /Stefan I did in detail, but in another thread...so I saw no need to repeat that. I think the thread had SM 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations in the title. But briefly, as I recall everyone had some common complaints with it - the most common one being it's lack of grippies; and the best solution I recall for that was to make the entire bar area a grippie for snap open/close of the sidebar and such. That was a real convenience deal-breaker for me using a laptop, and probably the single biggest reason I switched to the other Theme. Another was that certain areas of the navigation bar are not intuitively available to right-click - some of the larger areas that seem like they should respond to a right-click don't respond. And I think described a number of other issues which gave rise to particular problems for a laptop user...if you want, I can look back and re-post here - but I've been saving all of my observations for drafting formal bug reports. One of the big reasons I haven't written formal bug reports (yet - I have been quoted in the too-small buttons report thread) is that I've become pretty confident that they won't be responded to as a result of all the single-ended venom I've read over the too-small buttons. I think the first (sidebar grippies) falls in the theme category. I've been trying to figure out how that can be solved and still retaining a modern mac look. If the whole area should respond to open/close clicks it might conflict with the drag behaviour. It might be possible to design something in line with Apple's Mail, though. Mail.app Sidebar does at least snap open/shut if you drag the window edge far enough...which is ok working on a desktop, but that implementation also becomes a bit cumbersome if you're working in a smaller space and with smaller windows, like on a laptop. Since I use 2.0.1 primarily on my MacBook Pro, I always try to point out that I'm making my commentary from a small screen user's POV. I really think the idea someone suggested of being able to click anyplace on the Sidebar bar and have it snap closed or open to the previous position (acting like a grippie, but without a real grippie) has a lot of merit - that would allow you to retain the current look of the panes...which I don't really have an issue with. Would also work nicely with a small window, I think. In fact, if Mail.app would act as above, that would be an improvement for Mail.app, IMO. The navigation bar right-click issue is a core bug that I think is already filed. I think what happens is that the topmost area is still considered a title bar by the back-end code and thus it doesn't respond to right-clicks. /Stefan That makes a bit more sense - I was thinking it was the graphics of the Theme presentation itself and not something else because I pretty much took care of it to better satisfaction by switching Themes. I also noted not long ago that setting sizes for the Navigation and Personal Toolbars is a bit strange/non-intuitive - when it comes to setting button size. I like large buttons in the Nav bar, and small ones in the Personal bar...but the Customize option changes both - once you change it. There is a dance you can do to get back to where I began, but it seems you can't right-click and Customize either bar by itself - only in the Nav bar...same core issue? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Happens every Year .
Phillip Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:37:06 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote: Democrat refer in this discussion to the person who votes Democratic party affiliation. While Republican refers either, the Party itself or the Party Affiliation You Can be a Liberal Democrat, or Conservative Democrat or Moderate Democrat. You Can be a Liberal Republican, a Moderate Republican, or Conservative Republican. Then there are Independents. You forgot the Libertarians. Phil I know. After No Op Comment about I was arguing, I noted I forgotten about Libertarians. Noted is was not arguing just explaining. I'm use to being fussed at. Because I have the same affliction my dad had he could say or write something and mean it one way, and people would take it being insulting or argumentative, when he was Joking or explaining. I have the same gift. ...by way of further explanation - in CA, Independents are actually Democrats. At least that's what happened here during the last primary cycle - people were seriously torqued about not being able to vote for anyone they wanted leaving the polling place. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2: Problems With SeaMonkey Default Theme 1.0
Phillip Jones wrote:
Phillip Jones wrote:
Stefan wrote:
art skriver:
1) In the navigator window Personal Toolbar, the rightmost bookmark
item
will occasionally overlap the dropdown menu icon depending on the
overall window size. This appears to be unique to the bookmark list.
The
location edit box does not exhibit this behavior (it does not overlap
the history dropdown menu).
If I'm not mistaken, there is a bug filed for this. IIRC it's an old
problem - I think 1.1.x also had this issue.
2) The show/hide icons for the toolbars, address area, etc. at the left
side of the window are not present in the mail, compose or navigator
windows. The only way to control them is via the View:Show/Hide menu.
Oh, you mean the grippies?
toolbargrippy {
display: -moz-box !important;
} in userChrome.css should get them back.
Beware that it doesn't look that nice, though ;-)
/Stefan
Use any theme other than the default theme and you get grippies. I've
Lcarstrek
Orbit 3+1 which I am currently using
SkyPilot that I can use but interferes with QuoteColors,
SeaMonkey Modern,
Venerable Modern,
Walnut which has some missing or generic icons,
and then SeaMonkey Default.
Default is the only without the grippies.
Get with the program please. Forget about Apple suggestion for user
interface. They are not interested in the amount of space taken to
create the grippies and the fly up fly down ,and fly in/out window
action. Heck even the Mac Addressbook and, and Kodak Easy Share have fly
out side windows. and iPhoto has some fly-down windows with a grippy bar
of its own.
I've re-examined the default theme.. Turns out there is not much to do
to get the grippy action back.
If you'll look ther is the actual bar but with a center Dot. (which
currently does nothing put in code to click on the dot (circle) for the
fly up fly down or fly right left action to engage on clicking on the
dot, will fix the problem No extra cosmetic Changes needed I will put
some screen shots pointing out the dot, and put on my site for you to
look at.
I like the suggestion someone posted to be able to click anywhere on the
bar, and not just the dot.
I'd even like it if Apple did that...
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Re: SM2: Problems With SeaMonkey Default Theme 1.0
Phillip Jones wrote:
Phillip Jones wrote:
Stefan wrote:
art skriver:
1) In the navigator window Personal Toolbar, the rightmost bookmark item
will occasionally overlap the dropdown menu icon depending on the
overall window size. This appears to be unique to the bookmark list. The
location edit box does not exhibit this behavior (it does not overlap
the history dropdown menu).
If I'm not mistaken, there is a bug filed for this. IIRC it's an old
problem - I think 1.1.x also had this issue.
2) The show/hide icons for the toolbars, address area, etc. at the left
side of the window are not present in the mail, compose or navigator
windows. The only way to control them is via the View:Show/Hide menu.
Oh, you mean the grippies?
toolbargrippy {
display: -moz-box !important;
} in userChrome.css should get them back.
Beware that it doesn't look that nice, though ;-)
/Stefan
Use any theme other than the default theme and you get grippies. I've
Lcarstrek
Orbit 3+1 which I am currently using
SkyPilot that I can use but interferes with QuoteColors,
SeaMonkey Modern,
Venerable Modern,
Walnut which has some missing or generic icons,
and then SeaMonkey Default.
Default is the only without the grippies.
Get with the program please. Forget about Apple suggestion for user
interface. They are not interested in the amount of space taken to
create the grippies and the fly up fly down ,and fly in/out window
action. Heck even the Mac Addressbook and, and Kodak Easy Share have fly
out side windows. and iPhoto has some fly-down windows with a grippy bar
of its own.
I've re-examined the default theme.. Turns out there is not much to do
to get the grippy action back.
If you'll look ther is the actual bar but with a center Dot. (which
currently does nothing put in code to click on the dot (circle) for the
fly up fly down or fly right left action to engage on clicking on the
dot, will fix the problem No extra cosmetic Changes needed I will put
some screen shots pointing out the dot, and put on my site for you to
look at.
Here are the screen shots the arrows are mine pointing out the Dot. On
the themes with gripies clicking on the actual grippy gives the spring
loaded action. on the actual bar grabbing anywhere on the bar except
where the grippy is not, allow manual adjustment of the width of the
window.
http://www.phillipmjones.net/SeaMonkeypicture001.png
http://www.phillipmjones.net/SeaMonkeypicture002.png
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Re: SM2: Problems With SeaMonkey Default Theme 1.0
art wrote:
On 12/25/09 9:27 PM, Stefan wrote:
art skriver:
1) In the navigator window Personal Toolbar, the rightmost bookmark item
will occasionally overlap the dropdown menu icon depending on the
overall window size. This appears to be unique to the bookmark list. The
location edit box does not exhibit this behavior (it does not overlap
the history dropdown menu).
If I'm not mistaken, there is a bug filed for this. IIRC it's an old
problem - I think 1.1.x also had this issue.
2) The show/hide icons for the toolbars, address area, etc. at the left
side of the window are not present in the mail, compose or navigator
windows. The only way to control them is via the View:Show/Hide menu.
Oh, you mean the grippies?
toolbargrippy {
display: -moz-box !important;
} in userChrome.css should get them back.
Beware that it doesn't look that nice, though ;-)
Thanks, that addresses #2.
#1 may be related to the size of the box model for the #PersonalToolbar
node or one of its' children. Unfortunately, the DOM Blink Selected
Element is not functional on the MacOS X version and thus makes this a
challenge to chase down.
could you not look at the code in the modern theme that allows Grippies
and see how its implemented there then adapt the code for the default theme.
I'm waiting for SailFish to fix SkyPilot but he no longer seems
interested. It has a Minor conflict with QuoteColors.
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Re: SM2: Problems With SeaMonkey Default Theme 1.0
Stefan wrote:
Phillip Jones skriver:
Stefan wrote:
art skriver:
1) In the navigator window Personal Toolbar, the rightmost bookmark item
will occasionally overlap the dropdown menu icon depending on the
overall window size. This appears to be unique to the bookmark list. The
location edit box does not exhibit this behavior (it does not overlap
the history dropdown menu).
If I'm not mistaken, there is a bug filed for this. IIRC it's an old
problem - I think 1.1.x also had this issue.
2) The show/hide icons for the toolbars, address area, etc. at the left
side of the window are not present in the mail, compose or navigator
windows. The only way to control them is via the View:Show/Hide menu.
Oh, you mean the grippies?
toolbargrippy {
display: -moz-box !important;
} in userChrome.css should get them back.
Beware that it doesn't look that nice, though ;-)
/Stefan
Use any theme other than the default theme and you get grippies. I've
Lcarstrek
Orbit 3+1 which I am currently using
SkyPilot that I can use but interferes with QuoteColors,
SeaMonkey Modern,
Venerable Modern,
Walnut which has some missing or generic icons,
and then SeaMonkey Default.
Default is the only without the grippies.
Yes, and the reason is that the default theme should blend in with the
OS as much as possible. I do agree that you could argue that there is
missing functionality, but I fail to see how the current toolbar
grippies could be made to fit in nicely in a unified toolbar. Note also
that the default theme has functionality that for example Modern lacks
(dragging the window from the toolbar/status bar).
Get with the program please. Forget about Apple suggestion for user
interface.
And get a user interface designed for windows/linux?
They are not interested in the amount of space taken to
create the grippies and the fly up fly down ,and fly in/out window
action. Heck even the Mac Addressbook and, and Kodak Easy Share have fly
out side windows. and iPhoto has some fly-down windows with a grippy bar
of its own.
I looked at Addressbook and iPhoto and I don't see any toolbar grippies
in those apps.
/Stefan
they have the bar with the dot.
http://www.phillipmjone.net/iPhotopicture001.png
click on the the little dot with the i in it and the window opens and
closes drag the bar adjust size.
http://www.phillipmjone.net/Kodak EasySharepicture001.png
click on the button with blue background with the arrow expands and
collapes this window
http://www.phillipmjone.net/iTunespicture001.png
Click on the square with the arrow opens expands and collapes this windows
http://www.phillipmjone.net/iCalpicture001.png
shows top part of window
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Re: SM2: Problems With SeaMonkey Default Theme 1.0
On 12/26/09 1:23 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:
art wrote:
On 12/25/09 9:27 PM, Stefan wrote:
art skriver:
1) In the navigator window Personal Toolbar, the rightmost bookmark item
will occasionally overlap the dropdown menu icon depending on the
overall window size. This appears to be unique to the bookmark list. The
location edit box does not exhibit this behavior (it does not overlap
the history dropdown menu).
If I'm not mistaken, there is a bug filed for this. IIRC it's an old
problem - I think 1.1.x also had this issue.
2) The show/hide icons for the toolbars, address area, etc. at the left
side of the window are not present in the mail, compose or navigator
windows. The only way to control them is via the View:Show/Hide menu.
Oh, you mean the grippies?
toolbargrippy {
display: -moz-box !important;
} in userChrome.css should get them back.
Beware that it doesn't look that nice, though ;-)
Thanks, that addresses #2.
#1 may be related to the size of the box model for the #PersonalToolbar
node or one of its' children. Unfortunately, the DOM Blink Selected
Element is not functional on the MacOS X version and thus makes this a
challenge to chase down.
could you not look at the code in the modern theme that allows Grippies
and see how its implemented there then adapt the code for the default theme.
I'm waiting for SailFish to fix SkyPilot but he no longer seems
interested. It has a Minor conflict with QuoteColors.
The patch that Stephan posted works fine for me although the grippy that
is part of the Modern theme would look a bit better. As these are
built-in themes, there are no external resources to manipulate so it is
a bit more adventurous to change :-).
FWIW - Venerable Modern 1.2 and Modern Mozillium 1.2 both have a problem
with the popup history list background that is invoked when typing in a
URL. It shows as transparent which makes it hard to read. The manually
invoked history icon does not have this problem (white background). It
doesn't appear that these have been updated for a while (1.2.20080705).
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Re: Reply.. does not pick up all of message
Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:26:21 -0700, /Ralph/: I have found that with version 2.1 (perhaps it happened before but did I guess you've meant version 2.0.1, but 2.1 snapshots should be the same. not notice)when I reply to a message (email or in this group) not all of the original message is captured and displayed in my new email Is this a settings thing.. or?? If you've selected part of the original message only this part will be quoted. Remove the selection from the original message view prior replying to quote the whole message. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2: Problems With SeaMonkey Default Theme 1.0
art wrote:
On 12/26/09 1:23 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:
art wrote:
On 12/25/09 9:27 PM, Stefan wrote:
art skriver:
1) In the navigator window Personal Toolbar, the rightmost bookmark item
will occasionally overlap the dropdown menu icon depending on the
overall window size. This appears to be unique to the bookmark list. The
location edit box does not exhibit this behavior (it does not overlap
the history dropdown menu).
If I'm not mistaken, there is a bug filed for this. IIRC it's an old
problem - I think 1.1.x also had this issue.
2) The show/hide icons for the toolbars, address area, etc. at the left
side of the window are not present in the mail, compose or navigator
windows. The only way to control them is via the View:Show/Hide menu.
Oh, you mean the grippies?
toolbargrippy {
display: -moz-box !important;
} in userChrome.css should get them back.
Beware that it doesn't look that nice, though ;-)
Thanks, that addresses #2.
#1 may be related to the size of the box model for the #PersonalToolbar
node or one of its' children. Unfortunately, the DOM Blink Selected
Element is not functional on the MacOS X version and thus makes this a
challenge to chase down.
could you not look at the code in the modern theme that allows Grippies
and see how its implemented there then adapt the code for the default theme.
I'm waiting for SailFish to fix SkyPilot but he no longer seems
interested. It has a Minor conflict with QuoteColors.
The patch that Stephan posted works fine for me although the grippy that
is part of the Modern theme would look a bit better. As these are
built-in themes, there are no external resources to manipulate so it is
a bit more adventurous to change :-).
FWIW - Venerable Modern 1.2 and Modern Mozillium 1.2 both have a problem
with the popup history list background that is invoked when typing in a
URL. It shows as transparent which makes it hard to read. The manually
invoked history icon does not have this problem (white background). It
doesn't appear that these have been updated for a while (1.2.20080705).
Have you tried Orbit 3=1 v2.0 although the throbber to go back to the
SM page or show progress looks strange it does that, plus show progress.
Now if it had the SeaMonkey throbber it would be perfect has great
looking buttons. Some people may not like the orange backgrounds in the
buttons I sort of like them.
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Re: Reply.. does not pick up all of message
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:26:21 -0700, /Ralph/: I have found that with version 2.1 (perhaps it happened before but did I guess you've meant version 2.0.1, but 2.1 snapshots should be the same. not notice)when I reply to a message (email or in this group) not all of the original message is captured and displayed in my new email Is this a settings thing.. or?? If you've selected part of the original message only this part will be quoted. Remove the selection from the original message view prior replying to quote the whole message. Thanks for the reply.. You are right about 2.0.1.. sorry I think I have found what is causing my problem. It seems that -- marks that SM puts above the name of the sender or perhaps part of the signature causes SM to NOT include anything past that point. Thus in this response your -- Stanimir is not included. So... if someone replies and the signature or name is above any previous text it will not show as part of the response. This seems to a be a new issue that I have not noticed before. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Reply.. does not pick up all of message
Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:40:25 -0700, /Ralph/: I think I have found what is causing my problem. It seems that -- marks that SM puts above the name of the sender or perhaps part of the signature causes SM to NOT include anything past that point. Thus in this response your -- Stanimir is not included. So... if someone replies and the signature or name is above any previous text it will not show as part of the response. This seems to a be a new issue that I have not noticed before. This is a long lasting convention in mail and news on the Internet (just do some search for standard sig delimiter) and it is by no means a new behavior - it is like this at least since I'm using the Mozilla Suite (somewhere around the 0.9.2 version). As signatures bring no value to the matter of a certain topic they are automatically stripped from the quoted text on reply, when marked using the standard delimiter. If the signature is not marked using the standard delimiter, it is responsibility of the replier to strip that part (and other irrelevant to the reply parts) from the quotes. To indicate the author of the original text there are attribution lines at the beginning of quotes. If for whatever reason you want to quote a signature - just do it manually by copy-pasting it from the original message. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Rufus skriver: I also noted not long ago that setting sizes for the Navigation and Personal Toolbars is a bit strange/non-intuitive - when it comes to setting button size. I like large buttons in the Nav bar, and small ones in the Personal bar...but the Customize option changes both - once you change it. There is a dance you can do to get back to where I began, but it seems you can't right-click and Customize either bar by itself - only in the Nav bar...same core issue? No, you should be able to right-click in the Personal Toolbar and set the icon size for that toolbar (it won't affect your bookmark folders, though). Try right-clicking close to the Home button. /Stefan ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Reply.. does not pick up all of message
On 12/26/2009 12:40 PM, Ralph wrote: Thanks for the reply.. You are right about 2.0.1.. sorry I think I have found what is causing my problem. It seems that -- marks that SM puts above the name of the sender or perhaps part of the signature causes SM to NOT include anything past that point. Thus in this response your -- Stanimir is not included. So... if someone replies and the signature or name is above any previous text it will not show as part of the response. This seems to a be a new issue that I have not noticed before. Perhaps you haven't noticed it, but it is not new - not by a long shot. The characters you are referring to are called the Signature Delimiter. This consists, actually, of three characters, plus a line terminator. The three characters are dash, dash and space. The line terminator means these characters must be on a line by themselves (not preceded or followed with any other characters). Any proper e-mail/news client should treat the content after the signature delimiter as a signature, and thus not part of the actual message. In message clients that I use, it does two things differently with signature blocks: 1. It shows the signature information in a stippled/grayed-out text, so it's easy to see it's not part of the message, and; 2. It strips the signature block from the message when replying, as the signature is not really part of the original message, it doesn't need to be included in the reply. I'll include a signature below, so you can see what I mean. I hope this helps. -- Well, this is my signature block. It would normally just include my name or perhaps a pithy quote. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Reply.. does not pick up all of message
Ralph wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:26:21 -0700, /Ralph/: /snip/ Thanks for the reply.. You are right about 2.0.1.. sorry I think I have found what is causing my problem. It seems that -- marks that SM puts above the name of the sender or perhaps part of the signature causes SM to NOT include anything past that point. Thus in this response your -- Stanimir is not included. So... if someone replies and the signature or name is above any previous text it will not show as part of the response. This seems to a be a new issue that I have not noticed before. Its called a signature, or sig delimiter, and that is its exact purpose. Its consists of two dashes and a space (hence your example above does not work) and it informs the newsreader that any material after it is aig file and is not to included in the quote. This is to avoid the problem of having multiple sigs, which rarely have anything to do with the thread, reposted over and over again for no real reason. Note, this only works with bottom posted sigs. If you set your sig to posted other then at the bottom, SeaMonkey will not add the delimiter. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Reply.. does not pick up all of message
Ralph wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:26:21 -0700, /Ralph/: I have found that with version 2.1 (perhaps it happened before but did I guess you've meant version 2.0.1, but 2.1 snapshots should be the same. not notice)when I reply to a message (email or in this group) not all of the original message is captured and displayed in my new email Is this a settings thing.. or?? If you've selected part of the original message only this part will be quoted. Remove the selection from the original message view prior replying to quote the whole message. Thanks for the reply.. You are right about 2.0.1.. sorry I think I have found what is causing my problem. It seems that -- marks that SM puts above the name of the sender or perhaps part of the signature causes SM to NOT include anything past that point. Thus in this response your -- Stanimir is not included. So... if someone replies and the signature or name is above any previous text it will not show as part of the response. This seems to a be a new issue that I have not noticed before. When as signature -- mark stop you to reply with all the text under ... you can include all the text when replying by first doing Select all then reply. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Stefan wrote: Rufus skriver: I also noted not long ago that setting sizes for the Navigation and Personal Toolbars is a bit strange/non-intuitive - when it comes to setting button size. I like large buttons in the Nav bar, and small ones in the Personal bar...but the Customize option changes both - once you change it. There is a dance you can do to get back to where I began, but it seems you can't right-click and Customize either bar by itself - only in the Nav bar...same core issue? No, you should be able to right-click in the Personal Toolbar and set the icon size for that toolbar (it won't affect your bookmark folders, though). Try right-clicking close to the Home button. /Stefan That did work, thanks. It's just very hard to target an area that will respond to the right-click so I must have stumbled around to what you said at random previously. Seems to actually be a bit easier to find your target with the old Modern Theme than the new Default...but I think you've explained why. Interesting that you get a different contextual menu depending on which side of the separator you click on, but once you've seen it and know what's what, it's clear. And on trying that, I just discovered this: when I bring up the Customize option, the Bookmarks Items folder appears in the Toolbar even though I'd previously dragged it out - but then is not there once I close Customize; like it's hidden vise removed. But the end result is what I want(ed) displayed on exit - have you seen that? Again, this is with the old Modern Theme. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Rufus skriver: Stefan wrote: Rufus skriver: I also noted not long ago that setting sizes for the Navigation and Personal Toolbars is a bit strange/non-intuitive - when it comes to setting button size. I like large buttons in the Nav bar, and small ones in the Personal bar...but the Customize option changes both - once you change it. There is a dance you can do to get back to where I began, but it seems you can't right-click and Customize either bar by itself - only in the Nav bar...same core issue? No, you should be able to right-click in the Personal Toolbar and set the icon size for that toolbar (it won't affect your bookmark folders, though). Try right-clicking close to the Home button. /Stefan That did work, thanks. It's just very hard to target an area that will respond to the right-click so I must have stumbled around to what you said at random previously. Seems to actually be a bit easier to find your target with the old Modern Theme than the new Default...but I think you've explained why. Interesting that you get a different contextual menu depending on which side of the separator you click on, but once you've seen it and know what's what, it's clear. And on trying that, I just discovered this: when I bring up the Customize option, the Bookmarks Items folder appears in the Toolbar even though I'd previously dragged it out - but then is not there once I close Customize; like it's hidden vise removed. But the end result is what I want(ed) displayed on exit - have you seen that? Again, this is with the old Modern Theme. No, I haven't seen that. If you can find a way to reproduce it (might want to try with a new profile etc), it's probably worth filing a bug. /Stefan ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.1 vs 1.1.18...again...
Stefan wrote: Rufus skriver: Stefan wrote: Rufus skriver: I also noted not long ago that setting sizes for the Navigation and Personal Toolbars is a bit strange/non-intuitive - when it comes to setting button size. I like large buttons in the Nav bar, and small ones in the Personal bar...but the Customize option changes both - once you change it. There is a dance you can do to get back to where I began, but it seems you can't right-click and Customize either bar by itself - only in the Nav bar...same core issue? No, you should be able to right-click in the Personal Toolbar and set the icon size for that toolbar (it won't affect your bookmark folders, though). Try right-clicking close to the Home button. /Stefan That did work, thanks. It's just very hard to target an area that will respond to the right-click so I must have stumbled around to what you said at random previously. Seems to actually be a bit easier to find your target with the old Modern Theme than the new Default...but I think you've explained why. Interesting that you get a different contextual menu depending on which side of the separator you click on, but once you've seen it and know what's what, it's clear. And on trying that, I just discovered this: when I bring up the Customize option, the Bookmarks Items folder appears in the Toolbar even though I'd previously dragged it out - but then is not there once I close Customize; like it's hidden vise removed. But the end result is what I want(ed) displayed on exit - have you seen that? Again, this is with the old Modern Theme. No, I haven't seen that. If you can find a way to reproduce it (might want to try with a new profile etc), it's probably worth filing a bug. /Stefan I just looked at it again and tried dragging it out to make sure - it was then that I noted I'd confused Bookmarks Toolbar Items for Bookmarks. All is well on that one... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Reply.. does not pick up all of message
Ralph wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:26:21 -0700, /Ralph/: I have found that with version 2.1 (perhaps it happened before but did I guess you've meant version 2.0.1, but 2.1 snapshots should be the same. not notice)when I reply to a message (email or in this group) not all of the original message is captured and displayed in my new email Is this a settings thing.. or?? If you've selected part of the original message only this part will be quoted. Remove the selection from the original message view prior replying to quote the whole message. Thanks for the reply.. You are right about 2.0.1.. sorry I think I have found what is causing my problem. It seems that -- marks that SM puts above the name of the sender or perhaps part of the signature causes SM to NOT include anything past that point. Thus in this response your -- Stanimir is not included. So... if someone replies and the signature or name is above any previous text it will not show as part of the response. This seems to a be a new issue that I have not noticed before. Thanks to all that replied.. I had not noticed it before and it only became an issue on a response I wanted to make where my original text was below this signature.. and consequently was not included in my reply ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
