Stefan wrote:
Rufus skriver:Stefan wrote:Rufus skriver:Then there was the whole of the new default "more Mac-like" interface...I was only able to tolerate that about four days, then I replaced it with the other "Modern" one. And I'm a Mac user...I do have to say, the folks on Thunderbird did a way better job making a Mac-like Mac presentation - kudos there.I guess it's obvious, but you have seriously failed to communicate what you actually thought was so wrong with the theme changes. /StefanI did in detail, but in another thread...so I saw no need to repeat that. I think the thread had "SM 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations" in the title. But briefly, as I recall everyone had some common complaints with it - the most common one being it's lack of grippies; and the best solution I recall for that was to make the entire bar area a grippie for snap open/close of the sidebar and such. That was a real convenience deal-breaker for me using a laptop, and probably the single biggest reason I switched to the other Theme. Another was that certain areas of the navigation bar are not intuitively available to right-click - some of the larger areas that seem like they should respond to a right-click don't respond. And I think described a number of other issues which gave rise to particular problems for a laptop user...if you want, I can look back and re-post here - but I've been saving all of my observations for drafting formal bug reports. One of the big reasons I haven't written formal bug reports (yet - I have been quoted in the too-small buttons report thread) is that I've become pretty confident that they won't be responded to as a result of all the single-ended venom I've read over the too-small buttons.I think the first (sidebar grippies) falls in the theme category. I've been trying to figure out how that can be solved and still retaining a "modern" mac look. If the whole area should respond to open/close clicks it might conflict with the drag behaviour. It might be possible to design something in line with Apple's Mail, though.
Mail.app Sidebar does at least snap open/shut if you drag the window edge far enough...which is ok working on a desktop, but that implementation also becomes a bit cumbersome if you're working in a smaller space and with smaller windows, like on a laptop. Since I use 2.0.1 primarily on my MacBook Pro, I always try to point out that I'm making my commentary from a small screen user's POV.
I really think the idea someone suggested of being able to click anyplace on the Sidebar "bar" and have it snap closed or open to the previous position (acting like a grippie, but without a "real" grippie) has a lot of merit - that would allow you to retain the current look of the panes...which I don't really have an issue with. Would also work nicely with a small window, I think.
In fact, if Mail.app would act as above, that would be an improvement for Mail.app, IMO.
The navigation bar right-click issue is a core bug that I think is already filed. I think what happens is that the topmost area is still considered a title bar by the back-end code and thus it doesn't respond to right-clicks./Stefan
That makes a bit more sense - I was thinking it was the graphics of the Theme presentation itself and not something else because I pretty much took care of it to better satisfaction by switching Themes.
I also noted not long ago that setting sizes for the Navigation and Personal Toolbars is a bit strange/non-intuitive - when it comes to setting button size. I like large buttons in the Nav bar, and small ones in the Personal bar...but the Customize option changes both - once you change it. There is a dance you can do to get back to where I began, but it seems you can't right-click and Customize either bar by itself - only in the Nav bar...same core issue?
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- Rufus
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