date:20100110


MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 9/1/2010 18:57, OldTimer told the world:

The install instruction at the download site (www.chuonthis.com)stated 
to save the file to [SeaMonkey] but I don't know which file to use.


1) c:\Documents  Settings\sony\Application Data\Mozilla\Seamonkey ? 
(There's also an extension subfolder in Mozilla).


2) c:\program Files\Mozilla.org\SeaMonkey ?

For the time being I've placed the download file (folderpane.xpi) on my 
desktop.


The install instructions are to open Tools and select Extensions and 
click Install button.  The Tools menu in either SM folder (above) 
doesn't have Extensions, but does have Add-on Manager.  However when 
I click on Add-on Manager there's no folderpane extension listed.


And I thought I was doing so well getting it downloaded to my PC.
Can you take me through the next steps?


Oh, you are almost there. You already have the folderpane.xpi file, and
you already know where the Add-On Manager is.
Now:
- Open the Add-On Manager.
- Click on the second icon (Extensions) -- the one that looks like a
green jigsaw puzzle piece.
- Click on the Install button on the lower left.
- Select the folderpane.xpi file from where you saved it (apparently
your desktop) and open it.

There you go!

Is it still possible using SM2 WebBrowser part to open the 
folderpane.xpi file ?

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Re: Transfer mail from old account to new


Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:44:31 -0200, MCBastos wrote:


Oh crap, turns out that there IS an even easier way...


Chortle!


Philip Chee has made available a version of Folderpane Tools that will
install directly on Seamonkey with no need of disabling compatibility
check or anything.

It's here:
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#folderpanetools


1. http://www.google.com
2. Search for: seamonkey folder pane tools
3. Pick the third link. The first link will also eventually lead you to
my webpage but you'd have to scroll down through all the messages in
that thread.

Phil


Phil, it's better to give the url instead of speaking about Google

My test using google
http://www.google.com/search?hl=ensource=hpq=seamonkey+folder+pane+tools
give me as the first link this page
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=29t=1519805
Which, i think, is not your webpage :-)
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Re: Back to 1.18 - More


Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:


YMMV, but in any case, if we would not 
have moved to it, SeaMonkey would be dead by now.



Why ?


The Gecko 1.8 branch was abandoned by the Mozilla Core devs a long, long
time ago. Only security and stability patches were then backported to
that branch, not by Mozilla but by Linux distributors with long lived
branches, but even that source of bug fixes seem to have dried up in the
middle of 2009. Without a SeaMonkey 2.0 to migrate our users to.
SeaMonkey would have died on the wine before the end of 2009.

That's why the original plan to release SeaMonkey 2.0 in sync with
Thunderbird 3.0 became fatal when Mozilla Messaging kept pushing back
their release schedules, and pushing and pushing, until January 2010. So
we took the decision to release SeaMonkey 2.0 at around Thunderbird
3.0b4 with the risk of a slightly unstable mailnews backend. But as the
alternative was to let SeaMonkey die it wasn't really a choice.


You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ?


Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have
lit a fire under the Firefox devs and they plan to abandon the 3.5
(Gecko 1.9.1) branch once Firefox 3.6 is out in early 2010 and Firefox
3.7 in late 2010.

We had originally planned to keep 2.0 as our current branch for most of
2010. However it looks like we will need to release a 2.1 based on 1.9.2
(Firefox 3.6) somewhere in summer this year whether we like it or not.

Phil

Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and 
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling 
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer 
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.

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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

2010-01-10 Thread Arne


JAS wrote:

Jesse Molina wrote:


Hi!

I am a long-time Mozilla-suite and Seamonkey user.  I'm very
frustrated that many Add-on projects are not supporting Seamonkey.

I've complained to project developers when I've found incompatible
apps, but I really don't think Firefox developers care about Seamonkey
at all.

What is the status on this situation?  Can anyone point to
conversations, bugs, and other topics on the issue of Add-on
incompatibility that I might be able to read into?




http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=19t=500361start=1335



Don't know what specific addons are wanted by the OP, but
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/
should cover most (if not all) addons you can use on SeaMonkey, and 
they are many.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More


Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?


I hate automatic updates.
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2 Noticed features in SM -- possibly documented (somewhere)

In the email client --

If you wish to reply to only part of an email, swipe it with the mouse
(select it) and hit reply.

Only the selected portion is transferred (quoted) to the composition
window.

In the email client --

Images on the clipboard can be inserted into email composition.
(I use ctrl-v)
very useful for screen shots made with printscreen and window shots made
with alt-printscreen

YMMVDOYC 

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History search function

Sometime back, i had to use IE for a while and noticed something about its
history search function.

I could search for a remembered text fragment in the http url and if found
it would bring up the original url that contained that text fragment --
though the text fragment was not in the URL.

It apparently searched its cache files.

That type of history search would be a nice-to-have for Seamonkey.

jim
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Re: Selecting arbitrary text from a link

2010-01-10 Thread Mark Hansen

On 1/9/2010 8:13 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
 Press F7 to go into caret browsing mode. Use the keyboard cursor keys to
 move it to where you want to start, highlight the text you want to copy,
 CTRL-C, and Bob's your Uncle.
 
 Phil
 

Thanks, Phil. That's a new one on me! Works like a charm :)
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Re: History search function

2010-01-10 Thread Martin Freitag


jim schrieb:

Sometime back, i had to use IE for a while and noticed something about its
history search function.

I could search for a remembered text fragment in the http url and if found
it would bring up the original url that contained that text fragment --
though the text fragment was not in the URL.

It apparently searched its cache files.

That type of history search would be a nice-to-have for Seamonkey.


I don't think that this is a feature of IE itself, I guess it's in 
addition when having installed windows search as computers which don't 
have that installed suggest to install it below the url-bar when typing 
to improve the results. The browser doesn't index the files.

regards

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Re: Email Address Autocompletion

2010-01-10 Thread George Carden


nr wrote:

Using 2.0.1.  When entering an email address in the To: box, after
entering a few characters, prior versions of SeaMonkey would have the
most recently used address at the top of the list (IIRC), but 2.0.1
brings up the list in alphabetical order.  Is there any way to get the
most recently used addresses at the top of the lists?


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More


Ray_Net wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?


I hate automatic updates.


If they work properly I love auto updates. In the past I've seen where 
an auto update was Bad and I ended having to go to site and download the 
application.


On Mac its a piece of cake to replace the application with another 
version Drag the old application Icon (which is actually the entire 
application to trash open the .DMG file (Disk Image) drag the new 
version to application folder , double click to open and your set.


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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects


Robert Kaiser wrote:

Jesse Molina schrieb:

I am a long-time Mozilla-suite and Seamonkey user. I'm very frustrated
that many Add-on projects are not supporting Seamonkey.

I've complained to project developers when I've found incompatible apps,
but I really don't think Firefox developers care about Seamonkey at all.


Some do, some do not, unfortunately. We'll be trying to get in contact
with the add-ons community even more to encourage them to make their
work available for SeaMonkey as well, but even though we have probably
about a million users, we naturally are standing in the shadow of the
mass-market Firefox with its 200-300 million users.

Still, with SeaMonkey 2, it's much easier to get Firefox add-ons to work
with SeaMonkey, and we hope more and more add-ons will do that.

Robert Kaiser


One for example is the theme SkyPilot Classic. It was my favorite them 
but it has an issue with QuoteColors I've posted on the Projectit.com 
site's Forum and emailed support. It's as if the fellow That originated 
 the site has abandoned the site. Until I started using QuoteColors It 
was my default Theme. Now I've had to use something else because of the 
incompatibility. The quotecolors vendor even tested and found it was a 
defect in SKyPilot.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More


Martin Freitag wrote:

Philip Chee schrieb:

On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ?


Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have
lit a fire under the Firefox devs and they plan to abandon the 3.5
(Gecko 1.9.1) branch once Firefox 3.6 is out in early 2010 and Firefox
3.7 in late 2010.

We had originally planned to keep 2.0 as our current branch for most of
2010. However it looks like we will need to release a 2.1 based on 1.9.2
(Firefox 3.6) somewhere in summer this year whether we like it or not.


Is that bad? (e.g. that SM2.1 will be based on gecko 1.9.2)
I guess (as a non-developer), the biggest change was the one from the
old SM to the new toolkit stuff and won't cause severe changes while
living in Gecko 1.9.x, especially not for the users. (like: oh, we
have to abandon form-manager and half of the SM users crying, etc.)
regards

Martin

Not Crying Pissed off (pardon my French).

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More


John Doue wrote:

On 1/10/2010 12:13 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?


Yes, provided the update does not make incompatible extensions you are
not prepared to do without ... Some extensions' author may have trouble
updating as fast as the main product does. A point to consider and an
important one, given the pivotal role customizing plays in the
popularity of those products.



Install MrTech extension that way you can block the compatibility check.
 Most that have been altered to work on SM 2 simply need the  version 
check updated.

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Re: Is SM a dying product?


Daniel wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2010 5:58 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2010 5:55 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/9/2010 4:41 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:

JeffMjef...@email.comwrote :


Devils_Advocate wrote:

I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.


I note that you didn't give an example URL.


http://www.efax.com/help/faq


There are a lot of bozos who are putting up Web pages
but who have NO IDEA what they are doing.

The next time you encounter this situation, go to this page:
http://validator.w3.org/
Feed in the URL of the page with problems.

You should see something like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.debian.org/
**Passed**

and not like this
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://marketshare.hitslink.com/oper
ating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 3134 Errors

At that point, you will know where to place the blame.





26 XHTML errors, 6 CSS errors

I get a mostly blank page.  There is a logo in the top-left corner, the
text
English | United States[ Change ]
in the top-right corner, and three lines of pale grey text at the
bottom.  If I accept images from all servers, I also get a navigation
bar running across the page near the top; but I normally browse with my
preference set to allow only images from the current page's server.



By the way, I don't think this is a sniffing problem because I got the
same result while spoofing Firefox 3.5.6.



Oops!  It is a sniffing problem.  I get a To enter portal, click here
line (with a link) when I spoof IE 7.  Selecting that link gives me the
FAQ.



David, NoOp has suggested this site needs cookies turned on. I have my
cookies set for sessional cookies and this site WFM!

Have set use default cookie permissions seems to work for me.

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Re: History search function

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:58:26 +0100, Martin Freitag
prof_nosp...@quantentunnel.de in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

jim schrieb:
 Sometime back, i had to use IE for a while and noticed something about its
 history search function.

 I could search for a remembered text fragment in the http url and if found
 it would bring up the original url that contained that text fragment --
 though the text fragment was not in the URL.

 It apparently searched its cache files.

 That type of history search would be a nice-to-have for Seamonkey.

I don't think that this is a feature of IE itself, I guess it's in 
addition when having installed windows search as computers which don't 
have that installed suggest to install it below the url-bar when typing 
to improve the results. The browser doesn't index the files.
regards

Martin

Very interesting.  I have never overtly installed any add-on to IE  --
such as Windows Search.   

jim

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Re: SM 2.0.1 Mac - Mail/News Tabs.


Martin Freitag wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

Just noticed that if one opens a new Tab in Mail/News from the
Account/Server home page, the snap setting for the Preview pane is not
remembered, however, if one opens a new Tab from the window with the
Preview pane displayed, the position/state of the window is remembered
and opened correctly in the new Tab.

Shouldn't SM remember where you set the Preview pane in both cases?


I can't see any difference.
Maybe you can show that with a screenshot or two?
regards

Martin
Mozilla doesn't allow screenshot attachments on the system The only 
group to allows this was abandoned because the moderator quit and the 
rules to post were untenable.
Be sure to tell them to post on there own website and post a link or 
such places as Picasso or other sites that allow you to post images.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Philip Chee

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

 Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and 
 change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling 
 the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer 
 to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.

Fortunately now that we have made the big move from the old XPFE backend
to the new toolkit, subsequent upgrades won't be as traumatic. If things
work out upgrades will be as seamless as Firefox upgrades. For one thing
there will not be any more profile migrations.

Phil

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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Philip Chee

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Martin Freitag wrote:
 Philip Chee schrieb:
 On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:
 You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ?

 Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have
 lit a fire under the Firefox devs and they plan to abandon the 3.5
 (Gecko 1.9.1) branch once Firefox 3.6 is out in early 2010 and Firefox
 3.7 in late 2010.

 We had originally planned to keep 2.0 as our current branch for most of
 2010. However it looks like we will need to release a 2.1 based on 1.9.2
 (Firefox 3.6) somewhere in summer this year whether we like it or not.
 
 Is that bad? (e.g. that SM2.1 will be based on gecko 1.9.2)
 I guess (as a non-developer), the biggest change was the one from the 
 old SM to the new toolkit stuff and won't cause severe changes while 
 living in Gecko 1.9.x, especially not for the users. (like: oh, we 
 have to abandon form-manager and half of the SM users crying, etc.)
 regards

The ability to import/migrate *some* data (I think global history) from
1.x profiles will be lost in 1.9.2. We had hoped to have most of our 1.x
users migrated to SeaMonkey 2.0 before switching to 2.1. As a workaround
I guess we can make a release note for 1.x users to upgrade to 2.0 first.

Other than that 1.9.2 is a significant improvement which will enable us
to do more fancy stuff (if only we had the developers to do it of course).

Phil

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Re: Transfer mail from old account to new

2010-01-10 Thread Philip Chee

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

 Phil, it's better to give the url instead of speaking about Google

Teach a man to fish etc.

 My test using google
 http://www.google.com/search?hl=ensource=hpq=seamonkey+folder+pane+tools
 give me as the first link this page
 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=29t=1519805
 Which, i think, is not your webpage :-)

But it's a thread that leads to my webpage!

Phil

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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects

2010-01-10 Thread Robert Kaiser


Phillip Jones schrieb:

One for example is the theme SkyPilot Classic. It was my favorite them
but it has an issue with QuoteColors I've posted on the Projectit.com
site's Forum and emailed support. It's as if the fellow That originated
the site has abandoned the site.


Well, what we can't do anything against and what Firefox is seeing as 
well is that some people disappear or decide not to maintain an add-on 
any more. That can happen any time. What we can possibly do something 
about is people actively supporting Firefox but not supporting SeaMonkey 
yet or any more - we are working on some campaigns to animate them to 
make those compatible with SeaMonkey 2.x.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Robert Kaiser


Philip Chee schrieb:

The ability to import/migrate *some* data (I think global history) from
1.x profiles will be lost in 1.9.2.


Download history actually. From all I know, global history will work for 
a longer time.


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Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-10 Thread JeffM

Phillip Jones wrote:
[...]sites[...]that use[ActiveX].

Yup.
Site owners who insist on using junk that only *some* folks have
is another case of stupidity that surfers have to deal with.

Webmaster who don't know how to sniff for browsers properly
has also been mentioned.

Folks who go to stupid people's sites,
have to get to be smarter than those stupid people.

Devils_Advocate wrote:
I've run into a Bunch [of sites] that don't show up right
because they are not written correctly.

Martin's link in news:hice6n$a6...@news.albasani.net
is the starting point.
Most stupid webmasters don't even realize how stupid they are.

Where does that leave me though?

Reading the FAQ / Release Notes
for something you use is a good practice:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:QTkuBlNz5d8J:www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0b1+via+via+*-*-a-new-profile+Troubleshooting+via+via+Safe.Mode#troubleshooting
http://tinyurl.com/VisitingBrokenWebsites
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0b1/

The other part of Martin's post adds a useful detail to that.

Sure you may be technically right,
but how can I use a browser that gives me so many blank pages?

Start by making sure it's not YOU whose preferences bork things.

NoOp has given a solution
that has been echoed and confirmed multiple times in this thread.
news:gcwdnsv6d7dountwnz2dnuvz_jji4...@mozilla.org

Again, a *smart* webmaster / site builder
would give you AN ERROR MESSAGE stating what is needed.

:Is SM a dying product?
:
No, but the number of folks who understand
HOW MANY ways a webmaster can screw up a web site
has always been a tiny proportion of users.

...and if a site owner has built a site
in a way that it will ONLY work with ONE browser
and he ISN'T listening to complaints to his email,
the obvious solution is to surrender to his stupidity
and use the browser he prefers.
Welcome to 1997.
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Re: Back to 1.18 - More


Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Fortunately now that we have made the big move from the old XPFE backend
to the new toolkit, subsequent upgrades won't be as traumatic. If things
work out upgrades will be as seamless as Firefox upgrades. For one thing
there will not be any more profile migrations.

Phil

You mean if the is a 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on of SM  That it will just read 
your current Profiles?? If so that would be wonderful Just install the 
new application and star right where you left off.


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Re: Frustrated by lack of support by most Add-on projects


Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones schrieb:

One for example is the theme SkyPilot Classic. It was my favorite them
but it has an issue with QuoteColors I've posted on the Projectit.com
site's Forum and emailed support. It's as if the fellow That originated
the site has abandoned the site.


Well, what we can't do anything against and what Firefox is seeing as
well is that some people disappear or decide not to maintain an add-on
any more. That can happen any time. What we can possibly do something
about is people actively supporting Firefox but not supporting SeaMonkey
yet or any more - we are working on some campaigns to animate them to
make those compatible with SeaMonkey 2.x.

Robert Kaiser


I hope So.
 in case above both post on the Forums and post directly to tech 
support appears as though they went into Vapor. I not on Google there 
was mention because someone else took upon themselves port SkyPilot to 
SM  two That was removed because they didn't have proper permission. Yet 
the aggrieved person was not interested in doing a Proper Conversion. 
Its as though he has lost interest. Yet doesn't want anyone to take 
over, even though he has lost interest.


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Re: Is SM a dying product?

JeffM wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

[...]sites[...]that use[ActiveX].

Yup.
Site owners who insist on using junk that only *some* folks have
is another case of stupidity that surfers have to deal with.

Webmaster who don't know how to sniff for browsers properly
has also been mentioned.

Folks who go to stupid people's sites,
have to get to be smarter than those stupid people.

Devils_Advocate wrote:

I've run into a Bunch [of sites] that don't show up right
because they are not written correctly.

Martin's link in news:hice6n$a6...@news.albasani.net
is the starting point.
Most stupid webmasters don't even realize how stupid they are.

Where does that leave me though?

The other part of Martin's post adds a useful detail to that.

Sure you may be technically right,
but how can I use a browser that gives me so many blank pages?

Start by making sure it's not YOU whose preferences bork things.

NoOp has given a solution
that has been echoed and confirmed multiple times in this thread.
news:gcwdnsv6d7dountwnz2dnuvz_jji4...@mozilla.org

Again, a *smart* webmaster / site builder
would give you AN ERROR MESSAGE stating what is needed.

:Is SM a dying product?
:
No, but the number of folks who understand
HOW MANY ways a webmaster can screw up a web site
has always been a tiny proportion of users.

...and if a site owner has built a site
in a way that it will ONLY work with ONE browser
and he ISN'T listening to complaints to his email,
the obvious solution is to surrender to his stupidity
and use the browser he prefers.
Welcome to 1997.
I've continually updated my website from time to to time. although the
content itself may seem childish, hokey, or stupid, to most here (its
mostly a website about my family tree and family) I've finally (I think)
have got it so that it passes w3C standards for XHTML 1.0 Transitional
with out any errors. So it should show up on any browser and look
relatively the same. I have two instances in which I use embed tags for
the same Flash Slide Show on two pages. I use DreamWeaver 8. and would
like to figure out a method to do this instead of using embed.

But other than those two instances it 100 compatible with XHTML 1.0
Transitional.

http://www.phillipmjones.net

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Re: SM 2.0.1 Mac - Mail/News Tabs.

2010-01-10 Thread Rufus


Martin Freitag wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

Just noticed that if one opens a new Tab in Mail/News from the
Account/Server home page, the snap setting for the Preview pane is not
remembered, however, if one opens a new Tab from the window with the
Preview pane displayed, the position/state of the window is remembered
and opened correctly in the new Tab.

Shouldn't SM remember where you set the Preview pane in both cases?


I can't see any difference.
Maybe you can show that with a screenshot or two?
regards

Martin


Yeah...not really sure I'm describing what I'm seeing clearly, and 
unless I can post a screenshot here I really don't have a way to do so. 
 You wouldn't see this if you didn't have a preview pane set open and 
browse messages by opening them - I think it's really called the Message 
Pane, looking at the menu options.


I use Classic View for Mail/News - if you have a Message Pane open 
browsing a subscription, go to the pane that displays the option links 
for account settings, search, etc. by selecting the Account name and 
open a tab from there; the tab will open to the same page/selection.


Once you select a subscription to view the Message Pane is snapped shut 
and you have to drag it back open - in both tabs.  The display setting 
for the Message Pane is not remembered and/or carried forward for the 
next tab.


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Rufus


Phillip Jones wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/:

Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change 
and

change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Don't you thinkg updating SeaMonkey, Firefox or Thunderbird through
the automated updates mechanism is a piece of cake?


I hate automatic updates.


If they work properly I love auto updates. In the past I've seen where 
an auto update was Bad and I ended having to go to site and download the 
application.


On Mac its a piece of cake to replace the application with another 
version Drag the old application Icon (which is actually the entire 
application to trash open the .DMG file (Disk Image) drag the new 
version to application folder , double click to open and your set.




I don't mind auto updates if they give me a notice and choice to say no 
to them - I just trashed Google Chrome for that reason...stealth 
updates.  I don't like that about Google Earth either, but I'm putting 
up with it just because I mostly trust where it's coming from and who's 
doing it - but I don't like the way they're doing it.


Yeah - manual updates on a Mac are a breeze.  And I recently grabbed a 
couple (free!) Widgets that will review and check all of my installs 
(both apps and widgets) and let me know what the latest versions are and 
link me to where I can grab them.


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Re: SM 2.0.1 Mac - Mail/News Tabs.

2010-01-10 Thread Rufus


Phillip Jones wrote:

Martin Freitag wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

Just noticed that if one opens a new Tab in Mail/News from the
Account/Server home page, the snap setting for the Preview pane is not
remembered, however, if one opens a new Tab from the window with the
Preview pane displayed, the position/state of the window is remembered
and opened correctly in the new Tab.

Shouldn't SM remember where you set the Preview pane in both cases?


I can't see any difference.
Maybe you can show that with a screenshot or two?
regards

Martin
Mozilla doesn't allow screenshot attachments on the system The only 
group to allows this was abandoned because the moderator quit and the 
rules to post were untenable.
Be sure to tell them to post on there own website and post a link or 
such places as Picasso or other sites that allow you to post images.




Yeah - I figured that.  This isn't a binary group...I tried to better 
describe what I'm seeing SEPCOR.


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Can't figure out where SM2 is keeping datas to prompt me to log in twice for usenet/news server.

2010-01-10 Thread Ant


Hello!

I am trying to redo my nntp.earthlink.net usenet/newsgroup setup so I 
can log in with only one prompt since it requires me to enter my e-mail 
address and its password. However, I am still getting two login prompts.


I removed this account, deleted this specific account files and 
folders/directories from my C:\Documents and Settings\FooBar\Application 
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever123.default\News\, checked my 
prefs.js file (no signs of the old ones I just deleted), etc. After 
restarting SM and making a new acount, I still see the same problem. Am 
I mising something else to clean/delete?


I do not have this problem on my new office machine with 64-bit Windows 
7 HP (Dell OEM) with a clean install and setup from scratch. I am using 
an old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 at home that has the problems. I did 
NOT upgrade/migrate from SM v1.1.18 (just did a clean install and setup 
from scratch).


Thank you in advance. :)
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Re: Is there a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 2.0 available for MS Windows 7 ?

2010-01-10 Thread NoOp

On 01/10/2010 04:21 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
 Daniel schrieb:
 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US;
 rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

 Note the x86_64...
 
 That's a 32bit build (i686) running on a 64bit (x86_64) machine.
 
 Robert Kaiser

Right, a 64bit build looks like this:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.8pre) Gecko/20100108 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.3pre


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Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 10/1/2010 16:07, Phillip Jones told the world:
 Philip Chee wrote:
 On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:

 Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
 change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
 the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
 to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.

 Fortunately now that we have made the big move from the old XPFE backend
 to the new toolkit, subsequent upgrades won't be as traumatic. If things
 work out upgrades will be as seamless as Firefox upgrades. For one thing
 there will not be any more profile migrations.

 Phil

 You mean if the is a 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on of SM  That it will just read 
 your current Profiles?? If so that would be wonderful Just install the 
 new application and star right where you left off.
 

Well, let me put it this way: SM now is using the same infrastructure as
Firefox and Thunderbird, and plans on keeping doing so.

If FF+TB ever decide to change their profiles substantially so that a
profile migration will be necessary, *they* will have to solve that
headache first. And it will be a *big* headache, since there are
hundreds of millions of Firefox users out there. Personally, I think
they will try to find ways to make it work with the current profiles.

Even if a migration is needed, by the time the need to migrate reaches
Seamonkey (SM can wait a few months to a year before migrating without
much of a problem) the migrating subroutines will be very well debugged.

So, while there *might* be future profile migrations some time in the
far future (although none in the perceived horizon), it should be way
less traumatic than this one.

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Re: Can't figure out where SM2 is keeping datas to prompt me to log in twice for usenet/news server.

2010-01-10 Thread Bernard Mercier

Il se trouve que Ant a formulé :
 Hello!

 I am trying to redo my nntp.earthlink.net usenet/newsgroup setup so I 
 can log in with only one prompt since it requires me to enter my e-mail 
 address and its password. However, I am still getting two login prompts.

 I removed this account, deleted this specific account files and 
 folders/directories from my C:\Documents and Settings\FooBar\Application 
 Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever123.default\News\, checked my 
 prefs.js file (no signs of the old ones I just deleted), etc. After 
 restarting SM and making a new acount, I still see the same problem. Am 
 I mising something else to clean/delete?

 I do not have this problem on my new office machine with 64-bit Windows 
 7 HP (Dell OEM) with a clean install and setup from scratch. I am using 
 an old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 at home that has the problems. I did 
 NOT upgrade/migrate from SM v1.1.18 (just did a clean install and setup 
 from scratch).

 Thank you in advance. :)
Maybe in password manager?

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Why only 8,192 entries for disk cache?

2010-01-10 Thread Ant

I noticed in both SeaMonkey v1.x and v2.x, its about:cache shows its 
number of disk cache entries can only go up to 8,192. Why is that? Is 
this value customizable to be higher?


An example of my current SeaMonkey v2.0.1's about:cache:

Disk cache device

Number of entries:  8192
Maximum storage size:   614400 KiB
Storage in use: 156143 KiB
Cache Directory: 	C:\Documents and Settings\FooBar\Local 
Settings\Application 
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever123.default\Cache


Thank you in advnace. :)
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Re: Can't figure out where SM2 is keeping datas to prompt me to log in twice for usenet/news server.

2010-01-10 Thread Ant


On 1/10/2010 1:43 PM PT, Bernard Mercier typed:


I am trying to redo my nntp.earthlink.net usenet/newsgroup setup so I
can log in with only one prompt since it requires me to enter my e-mail
address and its password. However, I am still getting two login prompts.



I removed this account, deleted this specific account files and
folders/directories from my C:\Documents and Settings\FooBar\Application
Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever123.default\News\, checked my
prefs.js file (no signs of the old ones I just deleted), etc. After
restarting SM and making a new acount, I still see the same problem. Am
I mising something else to clean/delete?



I do not have this problem on my new office machine with 64-bit Windows
7 HP (Dell OEM) with a clean install and setup from scratch. I am using
an old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 at home that has the problems. I did
NOT upgrade/migrate from SM v1.1.18 (just did a clean install and setup
from scratch).



Maybe in password manager?


I don't use SM's password manager. I checked to see if there was 
anything in it and it was empty. I even tried reset and no changes. :(

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Re: Is there a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 2.0 available for MS Windows 7 ?

2010-01-10 Thread NoOp

On 01/10/2010 04:02 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
 NoOp schrieb:
 Revisiting this... regarding the lack of 64bit build on linux.
 
 Decent Linux distributions offer them, no need for us to do so.
 
 Why is it that the 'nightly' builds of SeaMonkey generally include a
 64bit build, but the final releases do not?
 
 Because we do have too little build power to do release builds as well, 
 we only have one signle machine for 64bit.
 
 Robert Kaiser

Sigh... I reckon my CRS is kicking in again; I should have remembered
you had mentioned this once before.
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Bookmarks, etc, question repost..

(This is a repost, I got no reply previously.  Feel free to ask questions
in case I left something pertinent out.)

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:36:32 -0500, jim j...@earthlink.com in
mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:03:31 -0800, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid in
mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:

snip
 but having the ability to quickly change
path/user enmass in prefs.js is what enables me to easily transport an
entire .mozilla folder to another machine  have it working in a matter
of minutes.

Machine 1:
WIn XP SP2
Seamonkey 2.01

Machine 2:
WIn XP SP2
Seamonkey 2.01


I am trying to make Machine 2 have the same bookmarks and bookmarks
toolbar as Machine 1.

The following 1,2,3 worked fine with FF:

1. close app.
2. Locate Machine 1's places.sqlite and copy to same directory on Machine 
   2.

3. Reopen app on Machine 2.

It does not seem to work with Seamonkey, which *appears* to grab the last
backup copy of places.sqlite on Machine 2 and use that.  (that is, when
replaced with machine 1's Seamonkey's places.sqlite.

So my question is just which parameter(s) in prefs.js do you change?

jim

Basically, I am starting over so I am reposting the original message.

So far, Sea Monkey 2.0.1 has defeated me in this.

The idea is to clone 2.01 form machine 1 (aka M1)to Machine 2 (aka M2) and
the particulars of my last failures follow:

1. Uninstalled SM 2.0.1 from M2. 
2. Reinstalled SM 2.0;.1 on M2 without launching after install complete.
Copied entire SM profile (about 34 subdirectories) from DS in M1 to M2)
3. Prepped prefs.js by doing mass change of M1 name (jim) to M2 name (PC1)
   (operation detail -- Qedit reported 11 changes made, EXCEPT I did not
change 2  entries specifically for IRC in Prefs.js where jim is the user
name and those CMD entries did not refer to DS location)
4. Replaced places.sqlite on m2 with m1 copy.

5. started SM2 on M2.

6.  Result of intended operation -- failure PLUS.
The PLUS was that not only did I have no bookmarks transferred *but* the
personal toolbar was also locked *and* that the personal toolbar was now
locked to drag  drop items from the Navigation window.

(The profile copy was successful since the Adblock icon now appeared on
Personal toolbar -- and was operable -- of M2 browser and all subfolders,
filters and mail were present and operable in M2 SM email client.)

End initial attempt at elegant symphony.  :-)
(it should have worked)

Enter Plan B:

1. Export bookmarks from M1 to file (bookmarks.html) on shared folder on
M1.
2. Import bookmarks to M2 (using manage bookmarks)

3. For that session, there were 536 objects in bookmark manager and
bookmarks did exist from toolbar call of bookmarks but not on Personal
Toolbar.

4. I unset and reset bookmarks toolbar as personal toolbar.
Result:  Personal toolbar populated with proper bookmarks and folders.

BUT

When i closed and reopened SM on M2, all bookmarks had disappeared.


(I did Plan A and Plan B complete operations several times)

Any ideas?

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Re: Is there a 64 bit version of SeaMonkey 2.0 available for MS Windows 7 ?

2010-01-10 Thread Daniel


NoOp wrote:

On 01/10/2010 04:21 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Daniel schrieb:

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US;
rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091206 SeaMonkey/2.0.1

Note the x86_64...


That's a 32bit build (i686) running on a 64bit (x86_64) machine.

Robert Kaiser


Right, a 64bit build looks like this:
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US;
rv:1.9.1.8pre) Gecko/20100108 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.3pre




Oh!! Well that then prompts the question

Where can I find true 64 bit versions??
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Re: Back to 1.18 - More


MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 10/1/2010 16:07, Phillip Jones told the world:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote:


Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and
change again the versions  this looks like Linux people compiling
the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer
to use a product instead of installing, installing .. again and again.


Fortunately now that we have made the big move from the old XPFE backend
to the new toolkit, subsequent upgrades won't be as traumatic. If things
work out upgrades will be as seamless as Firefox upgrades. For one thing
there will not be any more profile migrations.

Phil


You mean if the is a 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on of SM  That it will just read
your current Profiles?? If so that would be wonderful Just install the
new application and star right where you left off.



Well, let me put it this way: SM now is using the same infrastructure as
Firefox and Thunderbird, and plans on keeping doing so.

If FF+TB ever decide to change their profiles substantially so that a
profile migration will be necessary, *they* will have to solve that
headache first. And it will be a *big* headache, since there are
hundreds of millions of Firefox users out there. Personally, I think
they will try to find ways to make it work with the current profiles.

Even if a migration is needed, by the time the need to migrate reaches
Seamonkey (SM can wait a few months to a year before migrating without
much of a problem) the migrating subroutines will be very well debugged.

So, while there *might* be future profile migrations some time in the
far future (although none in the perceived horizon), it should be way
less traumatic than this one.



Hurray! No more Worrying about something breaking (fingers and toes, and 
legs, Crossed).


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Test only


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test


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check only