Re: Seamonkey installation mystery

2012-05-13 Thread David Lawler 

hawker wrote:

On 5/10/2012 11:58 PM, David Lawler wrote:

This totally mystifies me. A week ago I installed SM 2.9.1, apparently
successfully, replacing (I thought) 1.1.19. I noticed right away my
computer ran slower. Finally, on Monday or Tuesday of this week, things
were so bad I had to give up and reboot.

So, imagine my surprise when, after rebooting, I was again running
1.1.19. I went through the process of again installing 2.9.1, again
apparently successfully. Then, again this (Thu) evening, my computer was
again tied in knots so bad I had to reboot. Again, SM 1.1.19 was running
after the reboot.

Does anyone have any idea what is going on? How does 1.1.19 survive the
installation of 1.9.1? (I actually used an intermediate step, making the
actual conversion from 1.1.19 to 2.X.X in SM 2.0.5, my old profile
imported ok, then upgrading to 2.9.1.)

Win XP3, up to date, 2.5 gb memory. With 1.1.19 running, I could go
weeks without rebooting. Something is odd here.

Dave


This is what will happen if you try to install the upgrade with USER and
not ADMINISTRATOR privileges (I just made the same mistake on my
multi-media computer yesterday). Is that what was going on? Are you sure
you had Administrator privileges?



Thanks everyone for your ideas. As near as I can tell, I was running as 
Administrator.


A brief summary of what I did: 1) I uninstalled SM1 and installed SM2; 
2) SM2 installed ok but did not migrate my profile; 3) after several 
attempts and much research I decided to sleep on it; 4) I re-installed 
SM1 as I had to check my email; 5) I re-installed SM2 (with SM1 still 
installed); 6) SM2 installed ok and this time successfully migrated my 
profile; 7) I uninstalled SM1 so I no longer have the odd boot problem; 
SM2 works fine, except it seems to get itself tied up in knots pretty 
quickly, requiring SM2 to be shut down and re-started, if not a full 
re-boot.


Hope this is helpful to others.

DL
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Re: [Bug 754622] Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread NoOp 
On 05/13/2012 12:35 PM, Jim Taylor wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
...
>>
>> This thread, and the bug report stated that: 1) the bug is linux only
>> ("Windows SM 2.9.1 versions + Java 7_4: WinXP&  Win7&  all work fine.",
>> and 2) Platform: x86 Linux. But thanks for checking anyway :-)
> 
> 
> Sorry I missed where you said that Windows worked in comment 1.  I 
> knew you were reporting a bug on platform Linux, but hadn't seen if it 
> had been reported to work on Windows or MAC.  I'll try to read more 
> closely in the future.
> 
> Jim
> 

No worries. As I said, thanks for checking anyway - I appreciate the
effort. :-)

Gary
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Re: iPhone's e-mails with attached photos.

2012-05-13 Thread NoOp 
On 05/13/2012 01:33 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 5/13/12 12:30 PM, Ant wrote:
>> On 5/13/2012 11:18 AM PT, David E. Ross typed:
>>>
>>> Photos taken with the iPhone upside-down or sideways are automatically
>>> reoriented when displayed by the iPhone.  There is a flag in the image
>>> file that indicates the orientation of the iPhone when the photo was
>>> taken and a sensor in the iPhone that indicates the current orientation.
>>>
>>> There has been much debate about whether to reorient photos in TBird and
>>> SeaMonkey's mail-news according the the flag.  See bug #298619 at
>>> .
>> 
>> Wow! I thought there was something wrong with my old computer/SeaMonkey! 
>> Do I assume other e-mail clients, beside Mozilla's, do this too? I am 
>> getting more and more iPhone's sent photographs/photos. these days. :(
> 
> I don't know about other E-mail clients.  I understand that not all
> digital cameras set the EXIF flag, especially older cameras.
> 
> The real problem is that there are few (if any) tools to tweak the EXIF
> flag.  Thus, a photo that has been manually rotated (e.g., via
> Micro$oft's Photo Editor) will be again rotated -- incorrectly -- by an
> application that does check the EXIF flag because the sender was not
> able to reset that flag.
> 
> Frankly, I still consider photos from phones to be of poorer quality
> than photos from an actual camera.  I use a Canon digital camera and do
> not have any kind of smart phone.  I always view my photos and often
> resize and crop them before sending them via E-mail.  In the process, I
> manually rotate those that require reorientation.
> 
> I have yet to find a specification for the EXIF flag.  Thus, I cannot
> manually reset the flag with my hex editor if I manually rotate a photo.
> 

I think you may be looking for the Orientation Tag? Dec 274 Hex 112.
See the EXIF spec(s) 2.2 or 2.3.
This may be of some use (I've not tried it - yet):



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Re: iPhone's e-mails with attached photos.

2012-05-13 Thread GerardJan 

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/13/12 12:30 PM, Ant wrote:

On 5/13/2012 11:18 AM PT, David E. Ross typed:


Photos taken with the iPhone upside-down or sideways are automatically
reoriented when displayed by the iPhone.  There is a flag in the image
file that indicates the orientation of the iPhone when the photo was
taken and a sensor in the iPhone that indicates the current orientation.

There has been much debate about whether to reorient photos in TBird and
SeaMonkey's mail-news according the the flag.  See bug #298619 at
.


Wow! I thought there was something wrong with my old computer/SeaMonkey!
Do I assume other e-mail clients, beside Mozilla's, do this too? I am
getting more and more iPhone's sent photographs/photos. these days. :(


I don't know about other E-mail clients.  I understand that not all
digital cameras set the EXIF flag, especially older cameras.

The real problem is that there are few (if any) tools to tweak the EXIF
flag.  Thus, a photo that has been manually rotated (e.g., via
Micro$oft's Photo Editor) will be again rotated -- incorrectly -- by an
application that does check the EXIF flag because the sender was not
able to reset that flag.

Frankly, I still consider photos from phones to be of poorer quality
than photos from an actual camera.  I use a Canon digital camera and do
not have any kind of smart phone.  I always view my photos and often
resize and crop them before sending them via E-mail.  In the process, I
manually rotate those that require reorientation.

I have yet to find a specification for the EXIF flag.  Thus, I cannot
manually reset the flag with my hex editor if I manually rotate a photo.



I use /gimp/, no big deal...

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Re: iPhone's e-mails with attached photos.

2012-05-13 Thread David E. Ross 
On 5/13/12 12:30 PM, Ant wrote:
> On 5/13/2012 11:18 AM PT, David E. Ross typed:
>>
>> Photos taken with the iPhone upside-down or sideways are automatically
>> reoriented when displayed by the iPhone.  There is a flag in the image
>> file that indicates the orientation of the iPhone when the photo was
>> taken and a sensor in the iPhone that indicates the current orientation.
>>
>> There has been much debate about whether to reorient photos in TBird and
>> SeaMonkey's mail-news according the the flag.  See bug #298619 at
>> .
> 
> Wow! I thought there was something wrong with my old computer/SeaMonkey! 
> Do I assume other e-mail clients, beside Mozilla's, do this too? I am 
> getting more and more iPhone's sent photographs/photos. these days. :(

I don't know about other E-mail clients.  I understand that not all
digital cameras set the EXIF flag, especially older cameras.

The real problem is that there are few (if any) tools to tweak the EXIF
flag.  Thus, a photo that has been manually rotated (e.g., via
Micro$oft's Photo Editor) will be again rotated -- incorrectly -- by an
application that does check the EXIF flag because the sender was not
able to reset that flag.

Frankly, I still consider photos from phones to be of poorer quality
than photos from an actual camera.  I use a Canon digital camera and do
not have any kind of smart phone.  I always view my photos and often
resize and crop them before sending them via E-mail.  In the process, I
manually rotate those that require reorientation.

I have yet to find a specification for the EXIF flag.  Thus, I cannot
manually reset the flag with my hex editor if I manually rotate a photo.

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Re: [Bug 754622] Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread Jim Taylor 

NoOp wrote:

Snip.



I have added comment 2 to the bug to show that jave 7_04 does work
with SeaMonkey 2.9.1 on Windows so it's not a universal problem across
all platforms.

Jim


This thread, and the bug report stated that: 1) the bug is linux only
("Windows SM 2.9.1 versions + Java 7_4: WinXP&  Win7&  all work fine.",
and 2) Platform: x86 Linux. But thanks for checking anyway :-)



Sorry I missed where you said that Windows worked in comment 1.  I 
knew you were reporting a bug on platform Linux, but hadn't seen if it 
had been reported to work on Windows or MAC.  I'll try to read more 
closely in the future.


Jim

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Re: iPhone's e-mails with attached photos.

2012-05-13 Thread Ant 

On 5/13/2012 11:18 AM PT, David E. Ross typed:


Photos taken with the iPhone upside-down or sideways are automatically
reoriented when displayed by the iPhone.  There is a flag in the image
file that indicates the orientation of the iPhone when the photo was
taken and a sensor in the iPhone that indicates the current orientation.

There has been much debate about whether to reorient photos in TBird and
SeaMonkey's mail-news according the the flag.  See bug #298619 at
.


Wow! I thought there was something wrong with my old computer/SeaMonkey! 
Do I assume other e-mail clients, beside Mozilla's, do this too? I am 
getting more and more iPhone's sent photographs/photos. these days. :(

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Re: iPhone's e-mails with attached photos.

2012-05-13 Thread David E. Ross 
On 5/13/12 9:06 AM, Ant wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Is it me or do iPhone e-mails, with attached photos., are shown the 
> wrong way like upside down? Do you guys have this problem or just me? 
> The senders say their sent e-mailed images look fine in their sent folder.
> 
> Thank you in advance. :)

Photos taken with the iPhone upside-down or sideways are automatically
reoriented when displayed by the iPhone.  There is a flag in the image
file that indicates the orientation of the iPhone when the photo was
taken and a sensor in the iPhone that indicates the current orientation.

There has been much debate about whether to reorient photos in TBird and
SeaMonkey's mail-news according the the flag.  See bug #298619 at
.

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Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread NoOp 
On 05/13/2012 04:50 AM, David H. Durgee wrote:
> I just noticed after reading this thread that somewhere between 2.7.2 
> and this release that my Java plugin disappeared.  I am running on Linux 
> Mint Katya 11 x64 with the x64 build of 2.9.1 and my installed Java is:
> 
> java -version
> java version "1.6.0_22"
> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.10.6) (6b22-1.10.6-0ubuntu1)
> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.0-b11, mixed mode)

That is due to this:

[Important notice regarding Java packages in Partner archive]
Basically, Sun Java was dropped due to licensing and security issues.

My version is deliberately installed:
$ java -version
java version "1.7.0_04"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_04-b20)
and Oracle have addressed (for the time being) the security issues in
jre1.7 with update 04. Also jre1.7 has completely replaced jre1.6 & the
only way to get jre1.6u32 now (as far as I know) is to download from the
technetwork page:



> 
> There is no plug-in shown for Java in SM 2.9.1, but of course the file 
> is still on the system.
> 
> At this point I still have 2.7.2 installed on an old system, but I would 
> like to get the Java support back on my main system with 2.9.1 here.

Older versions were also blocked in Mozilla, See:

[Blocklisting Older Versions of Java] (read comments)

[Java Plugin has been blocked for your protection.]

[[Windows] Blocklist vulnerable jre versions pre update 31 due to
security issue]

> How do I need to accomplish this?  Is there an updated plugin required 
> for this release?

You can turn it back on via about:config:


However, be aware that setting 'extensions.blocklist.enabled' to false
with disable _all_ blocklist checks. In your case it's probably better
to modify the blocklist.xml file to remove any references to p80 & p85.
Or just replace it with the blocklist.xml from the current version of
Firefox.
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Re: [Bug 754622] Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread NoOp 
On 05/13/2012 06:30 AM, Jim Taylor wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 05/12/2012 10:55 AM, NoOp wrote:
>> ...
>>> Given that it does work with SeaMonkey in Windows (XP and 7), I suspect
>>> that the linux builds may still have a paramater that blocklists Java 7.
>>> Maybe related to the older Mozilla blocklist?
>>> 
>>> "Who is affected?
>>>  All Firefox users who have installed the Java plugin, JRE versions
>>> below 1.6.0_31 or between 1.7.0 and 1.7.0_2."
>>> Perhaps it doesn't recognize 1.7.0_4? I've checked
>>> /seamonkey/blocklist.xml and no java is listed there, so that's not it.
>>> I guess I'll try the old fashioned way with a symlink in ~./mozilla/plugins.
>>
>> Symlink doesn't work either. I've filed a bug report:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754622
>> [Sun Java jre1.7.0_04 does not work in SeaMonkey]
>> Please feel free to add onto that bug if you can.
>>
> I have added comment 2 to the bug to show that jave 7_04 does work 
> with SeaMonkey 2.9.1 on Windows so it's not a universal problem across 
> all platforms.
> 
> Jim

This thread, and the bug report stated that: 1) the bug is linux only
("Windows SM 2.9.1 versions + Java 7_4: WinXP & Win7 & all work fine.",
and 2) Platform: x86 Linux. But thanks for checking anyway :-)

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iPhone's e-mails with attached photos.

2012-05-13 Thread Ant 

Hi!

Is it me or do iPhone e-mails, with attached photos., are shown the 
wrong way like upside down? Do you guys have this problem or just me? 
The senders say their sent e-mailed images look fine in their sent folder.


Thank you in advance. :)
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Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread Hartmut Figge 
GerardJan:

>everything works fine for me with Java version 7, JRE, Beans, and JDK

I am waiting until it is stable on Gentoo.

>I am on Fedora 6 semonkey latest version (nighly built)

Latest version... now, that the Build-ID is no longer in the header, it
is difficult to see. *g*

Unless you remove the responsible patch. ;)

Hartmut


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Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread GerardJan 

Hartmut Figge wrote:

David H. Durgee:


I just noticed after reading this thread that somewhere between 2.7.2
and this release that my Java plugin disappeared.  I am running on Linux
Mint Katya 11 x64 with the x64 build of 2.9.1 and my installed Java is:


http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ja120513.png (61 KB)

Gentoo, x86_64, SM 2.12a1. But i have java disabled because sometimes it
freezes my SM.

Hartmut



everything works fine for me with Java version 7, JRE, Beans, and JDK
I am on Fedora 6 semonkey latest version (nighly built)

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Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread Hartmut Figge 
GerardJan:
>Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ja120513.png (61 KB)
>>
>> Gentoo, x86_64, SM 2.12a1. But i have java disabled because sometimes it
>> freezes my SM.
>
>try seamonkey 2.12a1

Hm? I do not understand. We are both using SM 2.12a1. ;)

Hartmut


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Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread GerardJan 

Hartmut Figge wrote:

David H. Durgee:


I just noticed after reading this thread that somewhere between 2.7.2
and this release that my Java plugin disappeared.  I am running on Linux
Mint Katya 11 x64 with the x64 build of 2.9.1 and my installed Java is:


http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ja120513.png (61 KB)

Gentoo, x86_64, SM 2.12a1. But i have java disabled because sometimes it
freezes my SM.

Hartmut




try seamonkey 2.12a1

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Re: [Bug 754622] Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread Jim Taylor 

NoOp wrote:

On 05/12/2012 10:55 AM, NoOp wrote:
...

Given that it does work with SeaMonkey in Windows (XP and 7), I suspect
that the linux builds may still have a paramater that blocklists Java 7.
Maybe related to the older Mozilla blocklist?

"Who is affected?
 All Firefox users who have installed the Java plugin, JRE versions
below 1.6.0_31 or between 1.7.0 and 1.7.0_2."
Perhaps it doesn't recognize 1.7.0_4? I've checked
/seamonkey/blocklist.xml and no java is listed there, so that's not it.
I guess I'll try the old fashioned way with a symlink in ~./mozilla/plugins.


Symlink doesn't work either. I've filed a bug report:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754622
[Sun Java jre1.7.0_04 does not work in SeaMonkey]
Please feel free to add onto that bug if you can.

I have added comment 2 to the bug to show that jave 7_04 does work 
with SeaMonkey 2.9.1 on Windows so it's not a universal problem across 
all platforms.


Jim
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Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread Hartmut Figge 
David H. Durgee:

>I just noticed after reading this thread that somewhere between 2.7.2 
>and this release that my Java plugin disappeared.  I am running on Linux 
>Mint Katya 11 x64 with the x64 build of 2.9.1 and my installed Java is:

http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/ja120513.png (61 KB)

Gentoo, x86_64, SM 2.12a1. But i have java disabled because sometimes it
freezes my SM.

Hartmut


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Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread Petr Voralek 
   Hello!

   On 05/13/2012 01:50 PM, *David H. Durgee* wrote, and I quote (in part):

> java -version
> java version "1.6.0_22"
> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.10.6) (6b22-1.10.6-0ubuntu1)
> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.0-b11, mixed mode)
> 
> There is no plug-in shown for Java in SM 2.9.1, but of course the file 
> is still on the system.

  On my amd64 Debian Wheezy it is package icedtea-plugin...
http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/icedtea-web

ii  icedtea-6-plugin:amd641.2-2
  web browser plugin based on OpenJDK and IcedTea to execute Java applets
ii  icedtea-netx:amd641.2-2
  NetX - implementation of the Java Network Launching Protocol (JNLP)
ii  icedtea-netx-common   1.2-2
  NetX - implementation of the Java Network Launching Protocol (JNLP)
ii  icedtea-plugin1.2-2
  web browser plugin to execute Java applets (dependency package)
ii  icedtea6-plugin   6b21.2-2
  web browser plugin to execute Java applets (dependency package)

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Re: [linux] Java 7u4 not working in SM 2.9.1

2012-05-13 Thread David H. Durgee 
I just noticed after reading this thread that somewhere between 2.7.2 
and this release that my Java plugin disappeared.  I am running on Linux 
Mint Katya 11 x64 with the x64 build of 2.9.1 and my installed Java is:


java -version
java version "1.6.0_22"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.10.6) (6b22-1.10.6-0ubuntu1)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.0-b11, mixed mode)

There is no plug-in shown for Java in SM 2.9.1, but of course the file 
is still on the system.


At this point I still have 2.7.2 installed on an old system, but I would 
like to get the Java support back on my main system with 2.9.1 here. 
How do I need to accomplish this?  Is there an updated plugin required 
for this release?


Dave
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