Seamonkey 2.11 always comes up with "Work Offline"

[MR ZenWiz]

How do I get this to reset to come up with "Work Offline"
unchecked/off?  There does not appear to be any setting for it, and it
always remembers the one time, ages ago, and I can't get it to forget.

Running on Xubuntu 12.04, just installed.

Thanks.

MR
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Jens Hatlak]

Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message
will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will
then be marked as deleted and hidden from view.


This where I loose it..."copied"?  Why isn't the message *moved* to the
Trash vise just being "removed from display"?  That doesn't make any
logical sense to me - true or not...


Locally, SM/TB store all mails inside a folder (like Inbox) in one file. 
That file basically consists of the source of all messages ever copied 
to that folder, in order of receipt. That format is called mbox. Now if 
you say "delete this message", the application just marks the message 
for deletion (which is fast, because the application knows which bytes 
to change on disk for that, and can use random access). If you do a 
normal delete, the message source is first copied to the Trash folder; 
if you do Shift+Delete, that step is skipped.


For single messages, the above approach may seem pointless. But for many 
messages (thousands), especially reading a folder is accelerated since 
only one file needs to be read, and as you might know, disk access is 
one of the most costly operations (time-wise) of a computer.


NB: Since SM 2.9, the adventurous can select a different mail storage 
format called Maildir which saves individual messages in separate files. 
I won't explain how to do that here since at least right now it's only 
for advanced users anyway (see the SM 2.9 changes page if you still want 
to know).



Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from
that folder that are marked as deleted.


That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages
marked as "deleted" and still not displayed.


As I said, one folder = one file, so if you compact one folder, only 
that file is touched (and maybe its index file, *.msf).


HTH

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Re: places.sqlite

[Jens Hatlak]

Ant wrote:

In older SM versions, there used to be history.dat and bookmarks.html
files. Is there a way to have the newer versions' places.sqlite to
separate these two components (bookmarks and histories) even if I have
to do it manually?


No.


Note that I don't want to use Mozilla's Sync or run my own server
(complicated and running server on residential cable is not allowed),
but I don't mind doing it manually and locally when I have multiple
places.sqlite file copies.


Well, your choice. Sync is made exactly for that, and works flawlessly.

HTH

Jens

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

»Q« wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:27:49 -0700
Rufus  wrote:


»Q« wrote:



Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
occupies space within that file.  Moving an e-mail out of the inbox
does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in
the is still there in the inbox file;  IOW, the inbox file is the
same size even after you delete stuff from the inbox.  Compacting
the inbox gets rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size
of the file.


I could see doing that, but setting the file length to zero on Delete
- then Compact deleting the headers(I think there are other things on
my system that do this)...but even that seems like far more effort
than just moving/reallocating the file location to the Trash.


Setting the file length to zero would get rid of all the e-mails in
the folder, including their headers.  I'm not sure what SeaMonkey would
do WRT the index if it found a zero-length inbox.  If it's important to
you, you could set up a fresh profile and test your ideas.



Zero length message, not zero length Inbox.  I'm assuming each message 
is it's own file/structure...but now that I look through my Profile 
structure that seems not to be the case.


It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a surprise, 
as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure this way. 
Each message is an individual file.


Anyway, the bottom line is that I don't see Compact Folder(s) prompts 
from SM and I can only surmise that that has something to do with the 
way I manage my sessions.  I should expect to see a lot of them, and I 
barely see any at all.  Which is ok by me...


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emails / server settings

[rjkrjk]

win xp sp3 / android 2.3.5

have just started using an android tablet (samsung)
there are hundreds of emails on my samsung android, which have long been 
deleted on the desktop


after some reading and research, I assumed it was a matter of syncing 
the tablet with the desktop. ( as an aside, don't know why mozilla 
refers back to firefox with instructions for SM).  sync was done on both 
sides, at least that's the message I got


but after the sync.. all the messages were still there, tried to some 
other things but nothing worked.


I then checked my ISP Inbox (directly) and the same hundreds of messages 
were there as well.  I deleted them all, and subsequently all the emails 
on the tablet also disappeared


I remembered  something about server settings and messages, so I 
proceeded to SERVER SETTINGS  and unchecked  LEAVE MESSAGES ON SERVER box


will UNchecking this box hopefully resolve my situation where my tablet 
is retaining all my emails ??










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places.sqlite

[Ant]

Hello.

In older SM versions, there used to be history.dat and bookmarks.html 
files. Is there a way to have the newer versions' places.sqlite to 
separate these two components (bookmarks and histories) even if I have 
to do it manually?


I have been copying places.sqlite file between computers for about nine 
days. I forgot to manually copy my latest work/office's places.sqlite 
file copy for my home computer earlier today. I wonder if there was a 
way to merge both.


Note that I don't want to use Mozilla's Sync or run my own server 
(complicated and running server on residential cable is not allowed), 
but I don't mind doing it manually and locally when I have multiple 
places.sqlite file copies.


Thank you in advance. :)
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Re: seamonkey 2.11 - all my addons gone! HELP

[NoOp]

On 07/23/2012 06:04 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...
> 
> ONCE A YEAR???  From now on, do a backup every one or two WEEKS.
> Install the PrefBar extension.  After you install any extension, use
> PrefBar's InfoList button to get a list of all installed extensions,
> including disabled ones; copy and save that list.
> 

I've never seen this 'InfoList' button & I've been using PrefBar for
several years. The OP can easily see (and keep a record of) by simple
going to Help|Troubleshooting Information & print the page and/or 'Copy
all to clipboard' and past the lot into LibreOffice or similar.




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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[»Q«]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:27:49 -0700
Rufus  wrote:

> »Q« wrote:

> > Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
> > occupies space within that file.  Moving an e-mail out of the inbox
> > does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in
> > the is still there in the inbox file;  IOW, the inbox file is the
> > same size even after you delete stuff from the inbox.  Compacting
> > the inbox gets rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size
> > of the file.
> 
> I could see doing that, but setting the file length to zero on Delete
> - then Compact deleting the headers(I think there are other things on
> my system that do this)...but even that seems like far more effort
> than just moving/reallocating the file location to the Trash.

Setting the file length to zero would get rid of all the e-mails in
the folder, including their headers.  I'm not sure what SeaMonkey would
do WRT the index if it found a zero-length inbox.  If it's important to
you, you could set up a fresh profile and test your ideas.

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Re: seamonkey 2.11 - all my addons gone! HELP

[David E. Ross]

On 7/23/12 10:13 AM, Margo Guda wrote:
> 
> 
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 7/23/12 4:31 AM, Margo Guda wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I have been on the beta channel for Seamonkey since I cannot even remember.
>>> Today a new beta was automatically installed, but it would not run correctly
>>> - did not ask for master password, and did not load any web pages or log on
>>> to my email provider. So I downloaded the previous official version (2.11)
>>> and installed it over the existing installation.
>>> Now all my addons (and I had quite a few!) are GONE. Please help me restore
>>> my add-ons, I am totally lost without them. How do I find them again? I
>>> can't believe they are totally lost?
>>>
>>> THanks...
>>>
>>
>> Do you know what add-ons you had?  I maintain an inventory (a Word .doc
>> file) of all software I install, including the version numbers, the
>> dates of installation, and the sources.  Specifically for extensions, I
>> also capture the results of using the PrefBar extension's button
>> Infolist, which provides a list of all extensions.
>>
>> Unless you are a tester, I would question why you would use a beta
>> product.
>>> Beta builds are not released with the purpose of checking whether or not
>>> a build is "deemed okay to release as done."
>>>
>>> Alpha = here's a preview of the work we've been doing. We still have
>>> more to add and change.
>>> Beta = we have all the features implemented, but there are bugs, we
>>> wouldn't let in a final release.
>>> Release Candidate = We consider it ready, but want to make sure.
>>> -- Chris Ilias 
>>
> Well, I like to have the new features to test out, maybe not systematically 
> but by using them normally. It usually worked out for me.
> I don't have a full list of all the Add ons I had, but how does that help? I 
> can reconstruct most of them, but the files and subfolders of the Extensions 
> folder are also gone. But I cannot find anything in the recycle bin. There 
> are a number of folders that I think were created by extensions, and 
> probably contain settings - those I think I could get back if I reinstalled 
> the extension. But does this mean I have to reinstall all extensions? Some 
> may not even install, being listed as not-compatible, although they did work 
> for me.
> I have a profile backup that does contain some of my current extensions, but 
> it is a year old, I am not sure if it is a good idea to restore that.  I 
> would use mozbackup for that, and only restore the extensions, but still...
> 


ONCE A YEAR???  From now on, do a backup every one or two WEEKS.
Install the PrefBar extension.  After you install any extension, use
PrefBar's InfoList button to get a list of all installed extensions,
including disabled ones; copy and save that list.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your "inbox",


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder,
not the inbox.


so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not
actually move them out of my Inbox?

I have no idea what people are trying to say about this.  Why would I
Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place?
And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for
action?


If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message
will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will
then be marked as deleted and hidden from view.



This where I loose it..."copied"?  Why isn't the message *moved* to the 
Trash vise just being "removed from display"?  That doesn't make any 
logical sense to me - true or not...



Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from
that folder that are marked as deleted.



That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages 
marked as "deleted" and still not displayed.  I don't see how it would 
though, as it seems it will only compact the single specified Folder.



Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from
view, but also remove them.


Which is what one would expect.


* Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems
easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if
they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result.



In light of the above, I can't see why I don't see "Compact All Folders" 
requests when I have my invoke set at >20 Meg.  I should think I'd see a 
lot of them - I don't seem to see any at all.


I think I'm going to set my threshold lower - like >5 Meg - if this is 
what is really going on.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

»Q« wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:07:24 -0700
Rufus  wrote:


Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete the e-mails from your "inbox",


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash
folder, not the inbox.


...so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not
actually move them out of my Inbox?


Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
occupies space within that file.  Moving an e-mail out of the inbox
does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in the is
still there in the inbox file;  IOW, the inbox file is the same size
even after you delete stuff from the inbox.  Compacting the inbox gets
rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size of the file.



I could see doing that, but setting the file length to zero on Delete - 
then Compact deleting the headers(I think there are other things on my 
system that do this)...but even that seems like far more effort than 
just moving/reallocating the file location to the Trash.


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Re: disappearing emails

[NFN Smith]

Laura or Brian wrote:



I have my mail-settings to keep the mails on the servers for a month or
so, or if I delete them.  That makes reverting to backups pretty painless.



Thanks. How do I take a backup?


With any platform, you can make a backup by simply copying the contents 
of your Seamonkey user profile to another location.  In Windows, that's 
%APPDATA\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles, and then copy the appropriate 
profile.  Without looking it up, I don't remember the corresponding 
environment variables for Linux or Mac.


In Windows, you can use MozBackup, which gives you more GUI control, 
including where you want the backup copied to, what parts of your 
profile you want to be backed up (or not), etc.  It's not an essential 
tool, but it is nice for making backups quickly.  And for good measure, 
it's a fast way of moving a profile to a new computer.


Smith

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Re: disappearing emails

[Ed Mullen]

Laura or Brian wrote:

A Williams wrote:

Laura or Brian wrote:

Periodically, all of the emails in my inbox just disappear, and
rebuilding the directory will not bring them back. What gives, and what
do I have to do to retrieve them? Please advise in simple lay terms for
a non-techy. Thanks!

Laura



I assume you don't have backups.
You are using the newest Seamonkey under Windows (whatever Windows NT
5.1; rv:14.0 is).
I have not been in this situation for a very long time but this is what
I did a few years ago

(clearing Cache first might be an idea)
Exit seamonkey completely.
Take a backup of your %appdata%\mozilla directory
Then go into %appdata%\mozilla\seamonkey\PROFILE-NAME\Mail and delete
the .msf files there.  You probably have subdirectories so do it there
as well.  Sub-subdirectories?
Restart seamonkey.
Clicking on the various mail directories in Seamonkey should get them up
and running again.

If that worked - rejoice.  Then start trying to work out how it happened.
If it did *not*, no idea.
If things are worse, you *did* backup %appdata%\mozilla/seamonkey?

best of luck.

I have my mail-settings to keep the mails on the servers for a month or
so, or if I delete them.  That makes reverting to backups pretty
painless.



Thanks. How do I take a backup?

All of my subdirectories are still there - it's just the main inbox
contents that went away. I did a search and could not find the missing
inbox or the corresponding .msf file.

I also have my settings to keep emails on the server till I delete -
that's why I find this so mysterious.


I haven't ranted about this in years.  So, here goes.

You use a computer and do not do regular backups???  Forget backing up 
your Mozilla profile, concentrate on developing a strategy for backing 
up your entire system and evey PC on it.


There are a zillion programs out there, free and paid, to do automated 
backups of your system.


For God's sake, launch Google and study!

FYI

http://www.todo-backup.com/products/home/free-backup-software.htm

Get educated.  When (not "if") your system fails you'll have a backup.

And, if you haven't done this you'll get little or now sympathy here.

You have your brakes on your car checked regularly?  Your furnace 
checked?  Your lawn treated?  Your dog?  C'mon!!!


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Re: disappearing emails

[Laura or Brian]

A Williams wrote:

Laura or Brian wrote:

Periodically, all of the emails in my inbox just disappear, and
rebuilding the directory will not bring them back. What gives, and what
do I have to do to retrieve them? Please advise in simple lay terms for
a non-techy. Thanks!

Laura



I assume you don't have backups.
You are using the newest Seamonkey under Windows (whatever Windows NT
5.1; rv:14.0 is).
I have not been in this situation for a very long time but this is what
I did a few years ago

(clearing Cache first might be an idea)
Exit seamonkey completely.
Take a backup of your %appdata%\mozilla directory
Then go into %appdata%\mozilla\seamonkey\PROFILE-NAME\Mail and delete
the .msf files there.  You probably have subdirectories so do it there
as well.  Sub-subdirectories?
Restart seamonkey.
Clicking on the various mail directories in Seamonkey should get them up
and running again.

If that worked - rejoice.  Then start trying to work out how it happened.
If it did *not*, no idea.
If things are worse, you *did* backup %appdata%\mozilla/seamonkey?

best of luck.

I have my mail-settings to keep the mails on the servers for a month or
so, or if I delete them.  That makes reverting to backups pretty painless.



Thanks. How do I take a backup?

All of my subdirectories are still there - it's just the main inbox 
contents that went away. I did a search and could not find the missing 
inbox or the corresponding .msf file.


I also have my settings to keep emails on the server till I delete - 
that's why I find this so mysterious.

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Re: Disappearing emails - still need help!

[Laura or Brian]

Daniel wrote:

Laura or Brian wrote:

Anyone? I have Seamonkey 2.11 and all the emails in my inbox just
suddenly disappeared. I know they must still exist on my system and
there must be a way to rebuild the file, but I don't know how. I went
into Edit and File Properties and tried the repair from there, but it
didn't work. Thanks again,

Laura


Laura, haven't you already asked this and gotten a reply??  If so,
please respond in that thread, so that those offering the advice will
know what has already been asked, tested and, possibly, failed.

Having typed that, however, something else you could try is to have a
look at Tools->Switch Profiles. How many profiles are listed?? If more
than one, check the others to see if they contain your missing e-mails.

If that doesn't help, have a look at Edit->Mail & Newsgroup Account
Settings and select "Server Settings" on your e-mail account. At the
bottom of that screen there is "Local Directory". Note this location.
Now completely close SeaMonkey, including the Windows Quick Start link.

Set Windows up to show hidden Files and folders then do a Windows "Find
Files and Folders", looking for "inbox" (without the quotes). You should
find at least two, your current inbox and its index file inbox.msf, and
they will be in the location you noted previously.

Note the locations of any other "inbox"'s. If they are possible your
missing inbox, re-name them as inbox_2, etc, and move them into the
profile location noted above. Now, re-start SeaMonkey and check out the
now renamed files in you mail folder.

You're right, Daniel - I did already post this. sorry for the etiquette 
breach. The 1st response I got wasn't that helpful, and I was afraid 
that my issue would get lost. It's been awhile since I visited the 
newsgroups.


I searched and could not find the missing inbox. I do appreciate your 
help, but it seems that my emails are just gone.


Laura
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SeaMonkey 2.11 not importing IE Favorites

[WLS]

A user emailed me about SeaMonkey 2.11 not automatically importing IE 
Favorites, but it worked in previous versions.


The Help file states;

"About Your IE Favourites

Your IE Favourites are imported automatically. To access them, open the
Bookmarks menu and choose Imported IE Favourites."

Has this function been removed?
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[»Q«]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:07:24 -0700
Rufus  wrote:

> Chris Ilias wrote:
> > On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:
> >> Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
> >> delete the e-mails from your "inbox",
> >
> > That part is right. :)
> >
> >> it just marks them for deletion and
> >> removes them from your sight.
> >
> > That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
> > your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash
> > folder, not the inbox.
> 
> ...so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not 
> actually move them out of my Inbox?

Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail
occupies space within that file.  Moving an e-mail out of the inbox
does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in the is
still there in the inbox file;  IOW, the inbox file is the same size
even after you delete stuff from the inbox.  Compacting the inbox gets
rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size of the file.
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your "inbox",


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder,
not the inbox.


so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not
actually move them out of my Inbox?

I have no idea what people are trying to say about this.  Why would I
Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place?
And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for
action?


If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message 
will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will 
then be marked as deleted and hidden from view.


Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from 
that folder that are marked as deleted.


Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from 
view, but also remove them.
* Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems 
easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if 
they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your "inbox",


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder,
not the inbox.


...so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not 
actually move them out of my Inbox?


I have no idea what people are trying to say about this.  Why would I 
Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place? 
And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for 
action?


All I know is that I do what I do and I very rarely get Compact Folders 
notification(s).


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Re: seamonkey 2.11 - all my addons gone! HELP

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-07-23 7:31 AM, Margo Guda wrote:

I have been on the beta channel for Seamonkey since I cannot even
remember. Today a new beta was automatically installed, but it would not
run correctly - did not ask for master password, and did not load any
web pages or log on to my email provider. So I downloaded the previous
official version (2.11) and installed it over the existing installation.
Now all my addons (and I had quite a few!) are GONE. Please help me
restore my add-ons, I am totally lost without them. How do I find them
again? I can't believe they are totally lost?


If you open the Add-ons manager, then select the extensions panel, are 
then not listed, or are they just disabled?


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Re: disappearing emails

[A Williams]

Laura or Brian wrote:

Periodically, all of the emails in my inbox just disappear, and
rebuilding the directory will not bring them back. What gives, and what
do I have to do to retrieve them? Please advise in simple lay terms for
a non-techy. Thanks!

Laura



I assume you don't have backups.
You are using the newest Seamonkey under Windows (whatever Windows NT 
5.1; rv:14.0 is).
I have not been in this situation for a very long time but this is what 
I did a few years ago


(clearing Cache first might be an idea)
Exit seamonkey completely.
Take a backup of your %appdata%\mozilla directory
Then go into %appdata%\mozilla\seamonkey\PROFILE-NAME\Mail and delete 
the .msf files there.  You probably have subdirectories so do it there 
as well.  Sub-subdirectories?

Restart seamonkey.
Clicking on the various mail directories in Seamonkey should get them up 
and running again.


If that worked - rejoice.  Then start trying to work out how it happened.
If it did *not*, no idea.
If things are worse, you *did* backup %appdata%\mozilla/seamonkey?

best of luck.

I have my mail-settings to keep the mails on the servers for a month or 
so, or if I delete them.  That makes reverting to backups pretty painless.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your "inbox",


That part is right. :)


it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.


That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from 
your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, 
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Re: seamonkey 2.11 - all my addons gone! HELP

[Margo Guda]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/23/12 4:31 AM, Margo Guda wrote:

Hello,
I have been on the beta channel for Seamonkey since I cannot even remember.
Today a new beta was automatically installed, but it would not run correctly
- did not ask for master password, and did not load any web pages or log on
to my email provider. So I downloaded the previous official version (2.11)
and installed it over the existing installation.
Now all my addons (and I had quite a few!) are GONE. Please help me restore
my add-ons, I am totally lost without them. How do I find them again? I
can't believe they are totally lost?

THanks...



Do you know what add-ons you had?  I maintain an inventory (a Word .doc
file) of all software I install, including the version numbers, the
dates of installation, and the sources.  Specifically for extensions, I
also capture the results of using the PrefBar extension's button
Infolist, which provides a list of all extensions.

Unless you are a tester, I would question why you would use a beta
product.

Beta builds are not released with the purpose of checking whether or not
a build is "deemed okay to release as done."

Alpha = here's a preview of the work we've been doing. We still have
more to add and change.
Beta = we have all the features implemented, but there are bugs, we
wouldn't let in a final release.
Release Candidate = We consider it ready, but want to make sure.
-- Chris Ilias 


Well, I like to have the new features to test out, maybe not systematically 
but by using them normally. It usually worked out for me.
I don't have a full list of all the Add ons I had, but how does that help? I 
can reconstruct most of them, but the files and subfolders of the Extensions 
folder are also gone. But I cannot find anything in the recycle bin. There 
are a number of folders that I think were created by extensions, and 
probably contain settings - those I think I could get back if I reinstalled 
the extension. But does this mean I have to reinstall all extensions? Some 
may not even install, being listed as not-compatible, although they did work 
for me.
I have a profile backup that does contain some of my current extensions, but 
it is a year old, I am not sure if it is a good idea to restore that.  I 
would use mozbackup for that, and only restore the extensions, but still...

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:


Jens Hatlak wrote:


Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete the e-mails from your "inbox", it just marks them for deletion
and removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


Daniel said emptying Trash doesn't delete the email from the Inbox. I
believe his statement to be true. The only way to remove an email from
Inbox that was moved to Trash is to compact the Inbox. He was not
addressing what happens in Trash.


Jens used the singular "Compact Folder" -- if that was intentional, then 
only the Trash would be compacted. But if he meant to use the plural, 
"Compact Folders" would compact all folders in the account, including 
Inbox, and his comment would be relevant.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

> As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read
> exactly.

Jens, since my crystal ball is out at the cleaners, I didn't know of any 
other way to read it.   :-)

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Re: seamonkey 2.11 - all my addons gone! HELP

[David E. Ross]

On 7/23/12 4:31 AM, Margo Guda wrote:
> Hello,
> I have been on the beta channel for Seamonkey since I cannot even remember. 
> Today a new beta was automatically installed, but it would not run correctly 
> - did not ask for master password, and did not load any web pages or log on 
> to my email provider. So I downloaded the previous official version (2.11) 
> and installed it over the existing installation.
> Now all my addons (and I had quite a few!) are GONE. Please help me restore 
> my add-ons, I am totally lost without them. How do I find them again? I 
> can't believe they are totally lost?
> 
> THanks...
> 

Do you know what add-ons you had?  I maintain an inventory (a Word .doc
file) of all software I install, including the version numbers, the
dates of installation, and the sources.  Specifically for extensions, I
also capture the results of using the PrefBar extension's button
Infolist, which provides a list of all extensions.

Unless you are a tester, I would question why you would use a beta
product.
> Beta builds are not released with the purpose of checking whether or not 
> a build is "deemed okay to release as done."
> 
> Alpha = here's a preview of the work we've been doing. We still have 
> more to add and change.
> Beta = we have all the features implemented, but there are bugs, we 
> wouldn't let in a final release.
> Release Candidate = We consider it ready, but want to make sure.
> -- Chris Ilias 

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
delete
the e-mails from your "inbox", it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn
to our attention!!


As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read
exactly. Empty Trash does in fact not touch the Inbox, only the Trash
folder. For the latter it includes a Compact Folder call.

[It didn't appear to me that anyone could think that Empty Trash would
affect other folders.]

HTH

Jens



...so...Empty Trash actually *does/should* reduce the size of the Inbox 
because the user has moved the files to the Trash so they no longer 
reside in the Inbox, and the Trash Compacts on Empty.


If it doesn't work that way, it should!  That would be what one would 
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Rufus]

Daniel wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Daniel wrote:






Wow!! My whole mail profile is only 30.9MB, with the inbox being 15.7MB.



I'll bet mine isn't 1M - I tend to Save/Delete/Empty Trash/Mark Read on
completion of session, so I generally don't see Compact Folders
requests.  In fact I can't remember the last time I saw one.

I think user habit gets into the mix and one has to set a limit that
works with their own habit.



Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your "inbox", it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!



No, I didn't know that...but I still don't see Compact notices.

...that sounds a bit counter-intuitive.

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Jens Hatlak]

Daniel wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your "inbox", it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn
to our attention!!


As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read 
exactly. Empty Trash does in fact not touch the Inbox, only the Trash 
folder. For the latter it includes a Compact Folder call.


[It didn't appear to me that anyone could think that Empty Trash would 
affect other folders.]


HTH

Jens

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your "inbox", it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.

Greetings,

Jens



When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn 
to our attention!!



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Re: Disappearing emails - still need help!

[Daniel]

Laura or Brian wrote:

Anyone? I have Seamonkey 2.11 and all the emails in my inbox just
suddenly disappeared. I know they must still exist on my system and
there must be a way to rebuild the file, but I don't know how. I went
into Edit and File Properties and tried the repair from there, but it
didn't work. Thanks again,

Laura


Laura, haven't you already asked this and gotten a reply??  If so, 
please respond in that thread, so that those offering the advice will 
know what has already been asked, tested and, possibly, failed.


Having typed that, however, something else you could try is to have a 
look at Tools->Switch Profiles. How many profiles are listed?? If more 
than one, check the others to see if they contain your missing e-mails.


If that doesn't help, have a look at Edit->Mail & Newsgroup Account 
Settings and select "Server Settings" on your e-mail account. At the 
bottom of that screen there is "Local Directory". Note this location. 
Now completely close SeaMonkey, including the Windows Quick Start link.


Set Windows up to show hidden Files and folders then do a Windows "Find 
Files and Folders", looking for "inbox" (without the quotes). You should 
find at least two, your current inbox and its index file inbox.msf, and 
they will be in the location you noted previously.


Note the locations of any other "inbox"'s. If they are possible your 
missing inbox, re-name them as inbox_2, etc, and move them into the 
profile location noted above. Now, re-start SeaMonkey and check out the 
now renamed files in you mail folder.


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Re: Change default email compose address category?

[Rick Merrill]

Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:

Mark Berger wrote:

Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:

Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:

Mark Berger wrote:

When composing emails, is there a way to change the default address
category from "To:" to something else, like "Bcc"?

Mark


SeaMonkey Help -> type "compose" into search-box -> Using the Compose
Window ->

Quote:
If necessary, click "To" to choose a different recipient type:

  To: For primary recipients of your message.
  Cc: For secondary recipients (carbon copy).
  Bcc: For secondary recipients not identified to the
other recipients, including those in the cc list (blind carbon
copy).
  Reply-To: For recipients to reply to a different
email address other than the one the message is sent from.
  Newsgroup: For posting to a newsgroup.
  Followup-To: For redirecting a newsgroup posting, so
that subsequent replies go directly to the redirected
newsgroup instead
of the original newsgroup.
End Quote..


Should have mentioned that you can automatically add default Bcc and Cc
lists via:-
Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings -> Copies and Folders -> When Sending
Messages
HTH


Perhaps I should have been more specific.  When I click on 'compose' from the
Inbox, I would like the default recipient type that appears in the compose 
message
window to be 'Bcc:', and not 'To:'

Is there a way to do this without having to manually change the recipient type 
from
'To:' to "Bcc:'?


Not 100% sure, but I'm pretty-certain there is no simple way to do this.

As far as I know, nothing much has changed since this 2006 conversation which 
gives
the uses, pros and cons for use of Bcc as the default configuration ~
http://sillydog.org/forum/sdt_12639.php
(One can have Thunderbird 'default' to set addressees as Bcc: instead of To: ---
within narrow limits.)




Sometimes I find a 'shortcut key' is easier than a mouse click. Maybe
someday a shortcut could access the "to" settings.


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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

> Daniel wrote:
>> Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually
>> delete the e-mails from your "inbox", it just marks them for deletion
>> and removes them from your sight.
>>
>> They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!
> 
> Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if
> it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash
> command actually includes a Compact Folder call.

Daniel said emptying Trash doesn't delete the email from the Inbox. I 
believe his statement to be true. The only way to remove an email from 
Inbox that was moved to Trash is to compact the Inbox. He was not 
addressing what happens in Trash.

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Disappearing emails - still need help!

[Laura or Brian]

Anyone? I have Seamonkey 2.11 and all the emails in my inbox just 
suddenly disappeared. I know they must still exist on my system and 
there must be a way to rebuild the file, but I don't know how. I went 
into Edit and File Properties and tried the repair from there, but it 
didn't work. Thanks again,


Laura
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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Jens Hatlak]

Daniel wrote:

Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete
the e-mails from your "inbox", it just marks them for deletion and
removes them from your sight.

They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!


Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if 
it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash 
command actually includes a Compact Folder call.


Greetings,

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Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder

[Daniel]

Rufus wrote:

Daniel wrote:






Wow!! My whole mail profile is only 30.9MB, with the inbox being 15.7MB.



I'll bet mine isn't 1M - I tend to Save/Delete/Empty Trash/Mark Read on
completion of session, so I generally don't see Compact Folders
requests.  In fact I can't remember the last time I saw one.

I think user habit gets into the mix and one has to set a limit that
works with their own habit.



Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete 
the e-mails from your "inbox", it just marks them for deletion and 
removes them from your sight.


They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!!

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seamonkey 2.11 - all my addons gone! HELP

[Margo Guda]

Hello,
I have been on the beta channel for Seamonkey since I cannot even remember. 
Today a new beta was automatically installed, but it would not run correctly 
- did not ask for master password, and did not load any web pages or log on 
to my email provider. So I downloaded the previous official version (2.11) 
and installed it over the existing installation.
Now all my addons (and I had quite a few!) are GONE. Please help me restore 
my add-ons, I am totally lost without them. How do I find them again? I 
can't believe they are totally lost?


THanks...
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Re: Installing and using Firefox only extensions in SeaMonkey v2.11+?

[Zanqeutil]

Ant schreef:

Hi!

Is there a way to force those Firefox only extensions like
http://www.addthis.com/browser-extensions to install and work?

Thank you in advance. :)


You can try Check Commpatability 1.3, works fine with Seamonkey 2.11

https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/checkcompatibility/

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