Re: SM 2.21 crashes when trying to add gmail IMAP account

[flyguy]

Philip Chee wrote, On 1/14/2014 9:20 PM:

On 14/01/2014 06:31, flyguy wrote:

I deleted my gmail POP account, then went through the setup for a gmail
IMAP account. When I clicked "Finish", SM crashed. I filled out the
crash report, restarted SM - same story. Rebooted, tried again, same story.

What's going on?


Go to about:crashes There should be a list of links with the latest
crashes at the top. These are clickable links (assuming you allowed
SeaMonkey to send the crash report to mozilla). Paste the latest links
here in this thread.


http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-d57c99ec-dca4-4cf7-895a-4d0042140115
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-d57c99ec-dca4-4cf7-895a-4d0042140115
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-6db8a184-65ac-4872-89b6-1cf872140113
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-6fec8fdd-bb14-4730-a9db-0b0fd2140113
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Re: SM 2.21 crashes when trying to add gmail IMAP account

[Philip Chee]

On 14/01/2014 06:31, flyguy wrote:
> I deleted my gmail POP account, then went through the setup for a gmail 
> IMAP account. When I clicked "Finish", SM crashed. I filled out the 
> crash report, restarted SM - same story. Rebooted, tried again, same story.
> 
> What's going on?

Go to about:crashes There should be a list of links with the latest
crashes at the top. These are clickable links (assuming you allowed
SeaMonkey to send the crash report to mozilla). Paste the latest links
here in this thread.

Phil

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Re: SM 2.21 crashes when trying to add gmail IMAP account

[flyguy]

Rob wrote, On 1/14/2014 5:13 AM:

flyguy  wrote:

I deleted my gmail POP account, then went through the setup for a gmail
IMAP account. When I clicked "Finish", SM crashed. I filled out the
crash report, restarted SM - same story. Rebooted, tried again, same story.

What's going on?


When you don't want to create an entirely new profile, first try it this
way: remove the account, close Seamonkey (via File/Quit, not by closing
the window), find the ImapMail directory in your profile and remove everything
that is in it.

Then start Seamonkey and try adding the account again.


And the prize goes to ... Rob! Your advice worked, and I was able to 
create an account. SM crashed the first time I tried to get email, but 
it worked fine after, once I got the settings right (some operator error 
slowed things down). Setup was a lot easier on the iPad!


Anyway, both the PC and iPad are remaining in sync. If they continue to 
work properly, I'll try changing another account to IMAP. And if that 
works, maybe try my wife's gmail next, so her iPad and Pc stay together. 
Risky business, tampering with her email..


Thanks for everyone's advice - "The Devil is in the details".


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Re: Remove cookies

[F Murtz]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Russ Fineman wrote:

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 09:29:14 AM Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 1/14/2014, 3:08 AM, F Murtz wrote:

When I go to cookie manager through seamonkey 2.23 it does not seem to
allow for mass deletion, only one at a time, not a great problem as
if I
want mass deletion I can do it with cc cleaner.


You don't need to use the cookie manager.
1. Go to Tools-->Clear_Private_Data.
2. Uncheck everything except "Cookies".
3. Click [Clear Private Data Now].


Yes, this is where the thread started back on January 11 (though this
function was described there with the keyboard shortcut).

Strange that Daniel's menu doesn't have this. I see it in the mail/news
window, in the browser, and even in the Data Manager window, of which as
you know the Cookie Manager is a subset.

In 2.23 go to: Tools --> data Manager -->tools-->clear private data is
about
halfway down that second tools menu.


Sure. Or you can skip the middle two steps and just do Tools | Clear
Private Data, which is available in any browser window. I misspoke
earlier when I said I saw it in a mail/news window; it's not there, and
it's not available in a mail composition window, either.

One thing I do sometimes wish for in this area is some positive feedback
from the program when I do Tools | Clear Private Data or the
corresponding shortcut, Ctrl-Shift-Del -- a little "yes, sir!" or "got
it!" would confirm that the program heard and carried out the order.


Cant find clear private data anywhere in my 2.23
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Re: 32-bit or 64-bit

[Desiree]

On 1/14/2014 2:00 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

Windows 7 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.23

Is this a 32-bit or 64-bit version of SeaMonkey?  I wish to update my
Java version, so I need to know which Java to install.

Followup-To set to mozilla.support.seamonkey.


 http://java.com/en/download/faq/java_win64bit.xml

You will need BOTH if you have IE 10 64bit.  SeaMonkey is a 32 bit 
browser.  I have to install both versions (Win 8 Pro) and the 64bit 
version has to be installed manually and when you do that then you no 
longer see an update tab even for the 32bit version.




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Re: 32-bit or 64-bit

[regz91]

David E. Ross wrote:

Windows 7 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.23

Is this a 32-bit or 64-bit version of SeaMonkey?  I wish to update my
Java version, so I need to know which Java to install.

Followup-To set to mozilla.support.seamonkey.

I think you have a 32 bit browser on windows unlike Linux where you have 
both versions,hence you need a 32 bit plugin.


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Re: 32-bit or 64-bit

[Rick Merrill]

On 1/14/2014 7:00 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

Windows 7 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.23

Is this a 32-bit or 64-bit version of SeaMonkey?  I wish to update my
Java version, so I need to know which Java to install.

Followup-To set to mozilla.support.seamonkey.



I am running the exact same OS and SM as you, and I see in taskmgr
seamonkey*32  and both versions of jusched.exe - hope that helps.

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Re: 32-bit or 64-bit

[Neil]

David E. Ross wrote:


Windows 7 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.23

Is this a 32-bit or 64-bit version of SeaMonkey?

32-bit running on a 64-bit OS says WOW64; 64-bit running on a 64-bit OS 
says Win64; x64; (or Win64; IA64; for an Itanium version, if such a 
thing were to exist); 32-bit running on a 32-bit OS says neither.


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32-bit or 64-bit

[David E. Ross]

Windows 7 (x64)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.23

Is this a 32-bit or 64-bit version of SeaMonkey?  I wish to update my
Java version, so I need to know which Java to install.

Followup-To set to mozilla.support.seamonkey.

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Re: Remove cookies- no lnger in my cookie manager list

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Mort wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Mort wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


"For example, are you able to login to sites that require cookies
even though nothing shows in the CM?"


How do I know which sites require cookies for me to log into?


As a general rule, if a site requires you to log in with a username and
password before it will display content, it's using cookies.
Occasionally such sites will put a session id in the URL, but most use
cookies.

If you try to login and the site returns you to a blank login page, that
usually means you've rejected their cookies.

If you login and are granted access that you didn't have before, that
usually means you've accepted their cookies.


Thanks. Yes, several such sites allow me to log in automatically, which
suggests that cookies are being acquired by my PC but not appearing in
my cookie manager. The plot thickens.


OK, what happens at those sites if you change your pref at Edit | 
Preferences | Privacy & Security | Cookies to "Block cookies"? Can you 
still login?


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Re: Remove cookies- no lnger in my cookie manager list

[Mort]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Mort wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


"For example, are you able to login to sites that require cookies
even though nothing shows in the CM?"


How do I know which sites require cookies for me to log into?


As a general rule, if a site requires you to log in with a username and
password before it will display content, it's using cookies.
Occasionally such sites will put a session id in the URL, but most use
cookies.

If you try to login and the site returns you to a blank login page, that
usually means you've rejected their cookies.

If you login and are granted access that you didn't have before, that
usually means you've accepted their cookies.




Thanks. Yes, several such sites allow me to log in automatically, which 
suggests that cookies are being acquired by my PC but not appearing in 
my cookie manager. The plot thickens.


Mort Linder
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Re: Remove cookies- no lnger in my cookie manager list

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Mort wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


"For example, are you able to login to sites that require cookies
even though nothing shows in the CM?"


How do I know which sites require cookies for me to log into?


As a general rule, if a site requires you to log in with a username and 
password before it will display content, it's using cookies. 
Occasionally such sites will put a session id in the URL, but most use 
cookies.


If you try to login and the site returns you to a blank login page, that 
usually means you've rejected their cookies.


If you login and are granted access that you didn't have before, that 
usually means you've accepted their cookies.


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Re: Remove cookies

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Russ Fineman wrote:

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 09:29:14 AM Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 1/14/2014, 3:08 AM, F Murtz wrote:

When I go to cookie manager through seamonkey 2.23 it does not seem to
allow for mass deletion, only one at a time, not a great problem as if I
want mass deletion I can do it with cc cleaner.


You don't need to use the cookie manager.
1. Go to Tools-->Clear_Private_Data.
2. Uncheck everything except "Cookies".
3. Click [Clear Private Data Now].


Yes, this is where the thread started back on January 11 (though this
function was described there with the keyboard shortcut).

Strange that Daniel's menu doesn't have this. I see it in the mail/news
window, in the browser, and even in the Data Manager window, of which as
you know the Cookie Manager is a subset.

In 2.23 go to: Tools --> data Manager -->tools-->clear private data is about
halfway down that second tools menu.


Sure. Or you can skip the middle two steps and just do Tools | Clear 
Private Data, which is available in any browser window. I misspoke 
earlier when I said I saw it in a mail/news window; it's not there, and 
it's not available in a mail composition window, either.


One thing I do sometimes wish for in this area is some positive feedback 
from the program when I do Tools | Clear Private Data or the 
corresponding shortcut, Ctrl-Shift-Del -- a little "yes, sir!" or "got 
it!" would confirm that the program heard and carried out the order.


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Re: Remove cookies- no lnger in my cookie manager list

[Mort]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Mort wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Trane Francks wrote:

On 1/14/14 8:05 AM +0900, Mort wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

A Williams wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Mort wrote:


I have a recent cookie problem, and will be grateful for any help.
I'm running Windows XP SP3 Pro, and Windows 7 Pro.


Presumably on two different machines with two different SM
installations?


I have my setting to accept all cookies. Until a few weeks ago,
when
I clicked on the cookie manager, a list of on-board cookies
appeared,and I could then delete as I wished. Now, the cookie
manager list is blank. The only change that I made was to
upgrade to
SM 2.23.

Is there any way to make those on-board cookies appear in my
cookie
manager, so that I could delete the undesirable ones?


If the list is blank, what reason do you have to think they are
present?



You are looking at this the wrong way.
The Cookie Manager behaves the same way as the Password Manager and
there was a big discussion here on the somewhat broken
functionality a
couple of months ago.  I can't remember which Seamonkey level first
changed things but I think it was the one immediately after the
level
which was skipped after that server crash.


I was assuming Mort knew how to look for cookies in the Data Manager.
Now we know for sure he does. Let's wait and see what he says.


Hi,

Perhaps I was not clear enough. After each session on line with the
previous SM version, when I opened the Cookie Manager(Data Manager)
there appeared a lengthy list of cookies that were acquired in that
session. I then typically deleted all of them.

Since I recently updated to the latest SM (2.23), the Cookie Manager
always comes out blank. No settings were changed. I cannot figure out
why I no longer see a cookies list any more. Are they no longer
acquired, or are they acquired and somehow hidden?

Thanks.

Mort Linder


I think the problem you're experiencing is the way the new Data Manager
works. In looking at it, there no longer seems to be any means of
seeing
session-related cookies. One can only look via domains, which is pretty
useless to see who gave you what during a session.


I have SM set to allow only session cookies, and I routinely see them in
the Cookie Manager. Unfortunately, you can't see all cookies in a common
pool, you can only see them one... domain... at... a... time. So the
only way to be sure you have no surviving cookies is to examine each of
the domains listed in the left-hand pane of the Cookie Manager. When you
delete all a domain's cookies, that domain vanishes from the list, and
when no domains are listed, that means no cookies are stored.

To Mort's question, it's hard to speculate what happened without knowing
your previous version. Cookie handling has changed over the years, and
if you upgraded from, say, Netscape 4.7, a lot has changed. ;-)

Still, my earlier question is valid: if you see nothing in the Cookie
Manager, what makes you think SM is storing cookies? For example, are
you able to login to sites that require cookies even though nothing
shows in the CM?

You might also examine your prefs under Edit | Preferences | Privacy &
Security | Cookies and make sure your settings are as you would like.



Thanks Trane and Paul for the new information. The mystery to me is why
cookies always appeared in the cookie manager and had to be manually
deleted by me, up to the previous SM version. Now with 2.23, suddenly no
more cookies appear in the cookie manager, with no other changes. Are
the cookies being acquired by my PC and not listed, or are they no
longer being acquired?


"For example, are you able to login to sites that require cookies even
though nothing shows in the CM?"



How do I know which sites require cookies for me to log into?

Thanks.

Mort Linder
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Re: Remove cookies

[Russ Fineman]

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 09:29:14 AM Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Chris Ilias wrote:
> > On 1/14/2014, 3:08 AM, F Murtz wrote:
> >> When I go to cookie manager through seamonkey 2.23 it does not seem to
> >> allow for mass deletion, only one at a time, not a great problem as if I
> >> want mass deletion I can do it with cc cleaner.
> > 
> > You don't need to use the cookie manager.
> > 1. Go to Tools-->Clear_Private_Data.
> > 2. Uncheck everything except "Cookies".
> > 3. Click [Clear Private Data Now].
> 
> Yes, this is where the thread started back on January 11 (though this
> function was described there with the keyboard shortcut).
> 
> Strange that Daniel's menu doesn't have this. I see it in the mail/news
> window, in the browser, and even in the Data Manager window, of which as
> you know the Cookie Manager is a subset.
In 2.23 go to: Tools --> data Manager -->tools-->clear private data is about 
halfway down that second tools menu.
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Re: Is there a way to remove "In-Reply-To" references in e-mail replies?

[andré]

Paul B. Gallagher a écrit :

andré wrote:

Ant a écrit :

On 1/13/2014 8:43 AM PT, andré typed:


Method 2:

Use CTRL-R or equivalent to create a reply. Select and copy the
quoted
material you want to include. Close the reply without sending.

Compose a fresh message, paste the copied material. Rewrap if
desired.
Add recipients, subject, etc. Send normally.


Thanks. Bummer, not quick and easy. Oh well. :)


Actually, method 2 is almost as quick as a direct reply.  I use that
frequently, particularly when changing the topic.  (Although I tend to
open the new message first.)


Not if I have many random BCC e-mail addresses.


For me it is about 10 seconds extra (per response), so it is a lot
faster than restarting SM in any case.
- Click new message icon
- in existing msg, click reply (or reply-to-all) icon + { ctl/A (for all
of msg) or select text to copy }
- in new msg ctl/C + add subject
- add destination (maybe by transferring from reply-to-all field)
- then whatever changes you would have done anyway

with 60 random messages, that would take 10 minutes extra over a
straight reply, but restarting SM 60 times would probably take several
hours.


No, the point is that he doesn't want to add 60 recipients by hand. In
that scenario, he'd reuse the 60 recipients in the existing message and
restart once after deleting the In-Reply-To line.


If you mean that he would use the 60 BCC in the same message, that would
take a lot less time.
Here is a neat trick to do the job :
1) clear the draft folder
2) create the source for the BCCs
 2a) select reply-to-all the email with the BCCs wanted
 2b) clear the body of this reply-to-all (optional but advised)
 2c) if the same BCCs are to be reused, give it a special title
 2d) save this draft
3) create the new email
 3a) enter the primary recipiant
 3b) in a text editor, edit the draft folder at
  ~/.mozilla/seamonkey/{profilefolder}/Mail/{emailaccountfolder}/Drafts
 3c) search for "BCC:".  That (very long) line will contain the 60 BCCs.
 3d) copy the line
 3e) scroll down to the new email and paste the line in the same 
relative position.  (2 lines below FCC: line)

 3f) save the Draft file
4) reload the draft folder with the modified email,
 using F5  -or-  menu / display / update (actualiser in french)
 The email will be in a new thread, and contain all the BCC fields from 
the old thread.
5) To save time if the same BCCs are to be reused, save the first email 
in the draft folder (which is why I suggested giving it a special 
title).  So the next time, for step 1 you compress the draft folder 
(leaving the special email in place), and skip step 2 to save time.
If you add or subtract BCC recipiants, you only have to modify the 
special email before continuing with step 3.

- creating a shortcut for step 3b will save time as well

It only took me about 5 minutes to test this on 2 BCCs.  It works nicely.

regards :)
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Re: Installation SM 5378 and 2917 errors

[Exalm]

John E пишет:

On  Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:42:55 +0600, Exalm wrote:

John E пишет:

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 at 03:48:00 +0600 Exalm wrote:


John E пишет:

I downloaded Oubuntu1ppa4-quantal_all.deb (the English language pack
for
SM), but Software Center came up with "Dependency is not
satisfiable", I

Obviously, seamonkey-locale-en (That's en_GB, if anything. en_US is
bundled with SM itself) depends on seamonkey package.

tried to overcome this with Edit -> Software Sources -> Other Software
-> Add but got stuck not finding an acceptable APT line to add there.

deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/exalm/seamonkey/ubuntu quantal main


OK, thanks, I've now downloaded
seamonkey_2.23-Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb, added the above APT
line and tried to see if Software center would install it.

Now getting a dependency not satisfiable: libfontconfig1 (>=2.9.0)

Can I fix this with an apt-get install -f command? If so, grateful
the exact syntax. My downloaded .deb is in /home/john/Downloads.

Or any better suggestions?


sudo apt-get install seamonkey
Or search for seamonkey in USC, but I don't use it, so I don't know.
Synaptic works, USC should too.
You don't download packages, there is apt for that. That applies to all
PPAs and all repositories.


Right,  so thanks for putting me straight on handling PPAs.  I have
managed them before on rare occasions,  but as you can gather, I'm none
too familiar with them.  From what you're saying here,  I can now see it
ought to be a simple and straighforward procedure in Terminal,  and I've
only been making life difficult for myself!

It's still not working though.  Here's what I've now tried:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa: exalm/seamonkey
   RESULT:  gpg and OK
sudo apt-get update
   RESULT:  series of hits, gets, errors,  fetched, & failed to fetch.
   note that the failures appear to be related to Precise so since
   I'd been advised the Quantal package ought to work OK on my Precise, I
   thought the failures could be ignored.
sudo apt-get install seamonkey
   RESULT:  E: Package 'seamonkey' has no installation candidate
sudo apt-get install seamonkey_2.23-Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb
   RESULT:  E: Unable to locate package  seamonkey_2.23-
   Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb
   E:  Couldn't find any package by regex 'seamonkey_2.23-
   Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb

I get the impression that perhaps I'm working with the wrong packages,
or at least doing things in the wrong order.  Grateful some further
guidance that's geared down just a little towards an idiot's guide,
although I didn't think I was a complete idiot!  [grin]


Anyway, I have seamonkey from my PPA and flashplugin-installer from
default $DISTRO-update/multiverse repo. But I have 32-bit system, so
things may be different on your side.


Difficult for me to guess whether it's these differences that are
showing up here,  or whether it's procedural or package errors on my
part,  or perhaps even that it just plain *doesn't work* on Precise ??

Possible suggestions:

  1.  I repeat my above attempts and post my full Terminal result
   here, showing all the error and failed to fetch detail
  2.  Procedural and package guidance
  3.  Using TEAMVIEWER,  a volunteer who is more familiar with PPAs
  and seamonkey installation than I am, gets on to my system
  and has a go at it themselves.   My timezone is GMT+7
Ok, I have discovered that there is an option to copy packages to 
different series without rebuilding. The package is now available for 
Precise, enjoy. apt-get update && apt-get install seamonkey

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Re: Installation SM 5378 and 2917 errors

[Exalm]

John E пишет:

On  Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:42:55 +0600, Exalm wrote:

John E пишет:

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 at 03:48:00 +0600 Exalm wrote:


John E пишет:

I downloaded Oubuntu1ppa4-quantal_all.deb (the English language pack
for
SM), but Software Center came up with "Dependency is not
satisfiable", I

Obviously, seamonkey-locale-en (That's en_GB, if anything. en_US is
bundled with SM itself) depends on seamonkey package.

tried to overcome this with Edit -> Software Sources -> Other Software
-> Add but got stuck not finding an acceptable APT line to add there.

deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/exalm/seamonkey/ubuntu quantal main


OK, thanks, I've now downloaded
seamonkey_2.23-Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb, added the above APT
line and tried to see if Software center would install it.

Now getting a dependency not satisfiable: libfontconfig1 (>=2.9.0)

Can I fix this with an apt-get install -f command? If so, grateful
the exact syntax. My downloaded .deb is in /home/john/Downloads.

Or any better suggestions?


sudo apt-get install seamonkey
Or search for seamonkey in USC, but I don't use it, so I don't know.
Synaptic works, USC should too.
You don't download packages, there is apt for that. That applies to all
PPAs and all repositories.


Right,  so thanks for putting me straight on handling PPAs.  I have
managed them before on rare occasions,  but as you can gather, I'm none
too familiar with them.  From what you're saying here,  I can now see it
ought to be a simple and straighforward procedure in Terminal,  and I've
only been making life difficult for myself!

It's still not working though.  Here's what I've now tried:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa: exalm/seamonkey
   RESULT:  gpg and OK
sudo apt-get update
   RESULT:  series of hits, gets, errors,  fetched, & failed to fetch.
   note that the failures appear to be related to Precise so since
   I'd been advised the Quantal package ought to work OK on my Precise, I
   thought the failures could be ignored.
sudo apt-get install seamonkey
   RESULT:  E: Package 'seamonkey' has no installation candidate
sudo apt-get install seamonkey_2.23-Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb
   RESULT:  E: Unable to locate package  seamonkey_2.23-
   Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb
   E:  Couldn't find any package by regex 'seamonkey_2.23-
   Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb

I get the impression that perhaps I'm working with the wrong packages,
or at least doing things in the wrong order.  Grateful some further
guidance that's geared down just a little towards an idiot's guide,
although I didn't think I was a complete idiot!  [grin]


Anyway, I have seamonkey from my PPA and flashplugin-installer from
default $DISTRO-update/multiverse repo. But I have 32-bit system, so
things may be different on your side.


Difficult for me to guess whether it's these differences that are
showing up here,  or whether it's procedural or package errors on my
part,  or perhaps even that it just plain *doesn't work* on Precise ??

Possible suggestions:

  1.  I repeat my above attempts and post my full Terminal result
   here, showing all the error and failed to fetch detail
  2.  Procedural and package guidance
  3.  Using TEAMVIEWER,  a volunteer who is more familiar with PPAs
  and seamonkey installation than I am, gets on to my system
  and has a go at it themselves.   My timezone is GMT+7
I said before that the PPA is for Quantal because of build errors with 
later distros. And I even showed the correct deb line before, which says 
quantal. If you can't read, I can't help.
I can't understand what's that difficult. You have already added PPA. 
Edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/exalm-seamonkey-precise.list to change 
precise there to quantal, apt-get update, apt-get install seamonkey. 
That's all! Is it that difficult?

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Re: Seamonkey Stays Active Although Closed

[goodwin]

On 01/14/2014 08:24 AM, A Williams wrote:

goodwin wrote:

On 01/13/2014 05:50 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote:

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:43 PM, goodwin  wrote:

On 01/13/2014 10:16 AM, MR ZenWiz wrote:

I just wrote a simple shell script that clobbers whichever one is
giving me trouble:

#!/bin/bash

# A shell script to kill that annoying runaway
seamonkey/firefox/npviewer that won't die

case `basename $0` in
"seakill") cmd=seamonkey;;
"foxkill") cmd=firefox;;
"npvkill") cmd=npviewer;;
*) echo "Unrecognized command."; exit 1;;
esac

/usr/bin/pkill -9 $cmd
/bin/ps -fC $cmd



what the heck is npviewer and how did it get into this thread?



Collateral damage.  After I found the problem with SeaMonkey, it began
to occur occasioinally in Firefox, then later with npviewer, which is
part of the Adobe flash player systems that used to cause hangs,
similar to these (GIYF).  I haven't needed npvkill in about two years,
but why remove it if it may ever cause problems again?



Maybe so but hardly on point here - though, thinking about it, maybe I'm
all wet - /anything/ would be on point since it seems to have turned
into a discussion of .lock files - I have no idea where the original
poster stands.

Nice script, good exercise, but better to discover what the cause
actually is.



Yes - that is why I tried to drag the thread back On Topic, but it seems
clear that no-one knows what is causing this or even how to find out
what Seamonkey is silently doing.
I have been away and have not looked at Bugzilla for this, there should
be a new level coming soon and maybe this has been fixed.


Have you looked at the knowledgebase on this?  I'd look at the Firefox 
pages - I know there have been such issues before and SM isn't all that 
different.


http://kb.mozillazine.org/Category:Issues_%28Firefox%29

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Re: SM 2.21 crashes when trying to add gmail IMAP account

[flyguy]

andré wrote, On 1/14/2014 9:35 AM:

flyguy a écrit :

Ray_Net wrote, On 1/14/2014 2:08 AM:

flyguy wrote, On 13/01/2014 23:31:

I deleted my gmail POP account, then went through the setup for a
gmail IMAP account. When I clicked "Finish", SM crashed. I filled out
the crash report, restarted SM - same story. Rebooted, tried again,
same story.

What's going on?


I don't know .. try to create a pop/smtp access to your gmail account.
If this is working, try to change it into an imap access ...


I'd been using a pop/smtp access to the gmail account for a couple of
years, but wanted to change to an imap account so I could access it from
my desktop PC and my iPad. There did not appear to be anyway to change
the pop account to an imap account, so I removed the pop account, then
tried to add an imap account, and the crashing began.


You can simply add a imap account (in SM) without deleting the old SM
pop account.  It just needs to have a different folder name, which
happens automatically if the old account is still on disk.
You might have to reconfigure gmail for imap (but I don't think so).

Maybe what happened is the old account folder was re-used by SM, and
some residue caused a conflict.
To work around that, start in offline mode.
Then define a new SM account, before deleting the old one.  It will be
in a new location, and should work without problem.

Be sure to delete or deactivate the old (pop and imap) SM accounts
before changing to online mode.  Trying to download from the same
account from google at the same time could cause a problem.  (Google
will probably detect that as a breach of security.)


You do have to select either POP or IMAP in your gmail account, which 
I've done. The IMAP account on my iPad works correctly.


I anticipated problems with having a pop and imap account for the same 
email account, so that's why I deleted the pop account. I'm still 
puzzled that adding an account can crash SM as I finish setting up the 
account and before I even try to use it.


I'll try Rob's suggestion to delete the IMAP folder from SM, which was 
created automatically, and has three IMAP accounts in it for the three 
times I tried. I just noticed my profile's Mail folder has a 
mail.gmail.com folder that was used by the pop account. I'll delete 
that, also.


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Re: Is there a way to remove "In-Reply-To" references in e-mail replies?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

andré wrote:

Ant a écrit :

On 1/13/2014 8:43 AM PT, andré typed:


Method 2:

Use CTRL-R or equivalent to create a reply. Select and copy the quoted
material you want to include. Close the reply without sending.

Compose a fresh message, paste the copied material. Rewrap if desired.
Add recipients, subject, etc. Send normally.


Thanks. Bummer, not quick and easy. Oh well. :)


Actually, method 2 is almost as quick as a direct reply.  I use that
frequently, particularly when changing the topic.  (Although I tend to
open the new message first.)


Not if I have many random BCC e-mail addresses.


For me it is about 10 seconds extra (per response), so it is a lot
faster than restarting SM in any case.
- Click new message icon
- in existing msg, click reply (or reply-to-all) icon + { ctl/A (for all
of msg) or select text to copy }
- in new msg ctl/C + add subject
- add destination (maybe by transferring from reply-to-all field)
- then whatever changes you would have done anyway

with 60 random messages, that would take 10 minutes extra over a
straight reply, but restarting SM 60 times would probably take several
hours.


No, the point is that he doesn't want to add 60 recipients by hand. In 
that scenario, he'd reuse the 60 recipients in the existing message and 
restart once after deleting the In-Reply-To line.


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Re: SM 2.21 crashes when trying to add gmail IMAP account

[flyguy]

Ed Mullen wrote, On 1/14/2014 9:28 AM:

flyguy wrote:

Ray_Net wrote, On 1/14/2014 2:08 AM:

flyguy wrote, On 13/01/2014 23:31:

I deleted my gmail POP account, then went through the setup for a
gmail IMAP account. When I clicked "Finish", SM crashed. I filled out
the crash report, restarted SM - same story. Rebooted, tried again,
same story.

What's going on?


I don't know .. try to create a pop/smtp access to your gmail account.
If this is working, try to change it into an imap access ...


I'd been using a pop/smtp access to the gmail account for a couple of
years, but wanted to change to an imap account so I could access it from
my desktop PC and my iPad. There did not appear to be anyway to change
the pop account to an imap account, so I removed the pop account, then
tried to add an imap account, and the crashing began.


Have you tried restarting SM in Safe Mode to create the account?  Some
add-on /may/ be causing this.


I haven't, but will, if deleting the imap folder and trying again 
doesn't work.


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Re: SM 2.21 crashes when trying to add gmail IMAP account

[andré]

flyguy a écrit :

Ray_Net wrote, On 1/14/2014 2:08 AM:

flyguy wrote, On 13/01/2014 23:31:

I deleted my gmail POP account, then went through the setup for a
gmail IMAP account. When I clicked "Finish", SM crashed. I filled out
the crash report, restarted SM - same story. Rebooted, tried again,
same story.

What's going on?


I don't know .. try to create a pop/smtp access to your gmail account.
If this is working, try to change it into an imap access ...


I'd been using a pop/smtp access to the gmail account for a couple of
years, but wanted to change to an imap account so I could access it from
my desktop PC and my iPad. There did not appear to be anyway to change
the pop account to an imap account, so I removed the pop account, then
tried to add an imap account, and the crashing began.


You can simply add a imap account (in SM) without deleting the old SM 
pop account.  It just needs to have a different folder name, which 
happens automatically if the old account is still on disk.

You might have to reconfigure gmail for imap (but I don't think so).

Maybe what happened is the old account folder was re-used by SM, and 
some residue caused a conflict.

To work around that, start in offline mode.
Then define a new SM account, before deleting the old one.  It will be 
in a new location, and should work without problem.


Be sure to delete or deactivate the old (pop and imap) SM accounts 
before changing to online mode.  Trying to download from the same 
account from google at the same time could cause a problem.  (Google 
will probably detect that as a breach of security.)


regards :)
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Re: SM 2.21 crashes when trying to add gmail IMAP account

[Ed Mullen]

flyguy wrote:

Ray_Net wrote, On 1/14/2014 2:08 AM:

flyguy wrote, On 13/01/2014 23:31:

I deleted my gmail POP account, then went through the setup for a
gmail IMAP account. When I clicked "Finish", SM crashed. I filled out
the crash report, restarted SM - same story. Rebooted, tried again,
same story.

What's going on?


I don't know .. try to create a pop/smtp access to your gmail account.
If this is working, try to change it into an imap access ...


I'd been using a pop/smtp access to the gmail account for a couple of
years, but wanted to change to an imap account so I could access it from
my desktop PC and my iPad. There did not appear to be anyway to change
the pop account to an imap account, so I removed the pop account, then
tried to add an imap account, and the crashing began.


Have you tried restarting SM in Safe Mode to create the account?  Some 
add-on /may/ be causing this.


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Re: Is there a way to remove "In-Reply-To" references in e-mail replies?

[andré]

Ant a écrit :

On 1/13/2014 8:43 AM PT, andré typed:


Method 2:

Use CTRL-R or equivalent to create a reply. Select and copy the quoted
material you want to include. Close the reply without sending.

Compose a fresh message, paste the copied material. Rewrap if desired.
Add recipients, subject, etc. Send normally.


Thanks. Bummer, not quick and easy. Oh well. :)


Actually, method 2 is almost as quick as a direct reply.  I use that
frequently, particularly when changing the topic.  (Although I tend to
open the new message first.)


Not if I have many random BCC e-mail addresses.


For me it is about 10 seconds extra (per response), so it is a lot 
faster than restarting SM in any case.

- Click new message icon
- in existing msg, click reply (or reply-to-all) icon + { ctl/A (for all 
of msg) or select text to copy }

- in new msg ctl/C + add subject
- add destination (maybe by transfering from reply-to-all field)
- then whatever changes you would have done anyway

with 60 random messages, that would take 10 minutes extra over a 
straight reply, but restarting SM 60 times would probably take several 
hours.


regards :)
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Re: SM 2.21 crashes when trying to add gmail IMAP account

[flyguy]

Ray_Net wrote, On 1/14/2014 2:08 AM:

flyguy wrote, On 13/01/2014 23:31:

I deleted my gmail POP account, then went through the setup for a
gmail IMAP account. When I clicked "Finish", SM crashed. I filled out
the crash report, restarted SM - same story. Rebooted, tried again,
same story.

What's going on?


I don't know .. try to create a pop/smtp access to your gmail account.
If this is working, try to change it into an imap access ...


I'd been using a pop/smtp access to the gmail account for a couple of 
years, but wanted to change to an imap account so I could access it from 
my desktop PC and my iPad. There did not appear to be anyway to change 
the pop account to an imap account, so I removed the pop account, then 
tried to add an imap account, and the crashing began.

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Re: Seamonkey Stays Active Although Closed

[A Williams]

goodwin wrote:

On 01/13/2014 05:50 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote:

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:43 PM, goodwin  wrote:

On 01/13/2014 10:16 AM, MR ZenWiz wrote:

I just wrote a simple shell script that clobbers whichever one is
giving me trouble:

#!/bin/bash

# A shell script to kill that annoying runaway
seamonkey/firefox/npviewer that won't die

case `basename $0` in
"seakill") cmd=seamonkey;;
"foxkill") cmd=firefox;;
"npvkill") cmd=npviewer;;
*) echo "Unrecognized command."; exit 1;;
esac

/usr/bin/pkill -9 $cmd
/bin/ps -fC $cmd



what the heck is npviewer and how did it get into this thread?



Collateral damage.  After I found the problem with SeaMonkey, it began
to occur occasioinally in Firefox, then later with npviewer, which is
part of the Adobe flash player systems that used to cause hangs,
similar to these (GIYF).  I haven't needed npvkill in about two years,
but why remove it if it may ever cause problems again?



Maybe so but hardly on point here - though, thinking about it, maybe I'm
all wet - /anything/ would be on point since it seems to have turned
into a discussion of .lock files - I have no idea where the original
poster stands.

Nice script, good exercise, but better to discover what the cause
actually is.



Yes - that is why I tried to drag the thread back On Topic, but it seems 
clear that no-one knows what is causing this or even how to find out 
what Seamonkey is silently doing.
I have been away and have not looked at Bugzilla for this, there should 
be a new level coming soon and maybe this has been fixed.

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Re: Remove cookies

[Ed Mullen]

F Murtz wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 1/11/2014, 10:02 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

regz91 wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

How can I remove all cookies in one go SM2.23?

ctrl+Shift+Delete


Yes, but that will clear ALL private data as you have them defined
under
Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | Private Data. If you want to
clear only cookies, first modify that pref by unchecking the other
boxes.


By default, when you go to "Clear Private Data", SeaMonkey will ask you
which types of data you want to clear.


On my system it does not. But that may be because I've unchecked the box
"Ask me before clearing private data." Since we don't know the OP's
setting here, better safe than sorry.


When I go to cookie manager through seamonkey 2.23 it does not seem to
allow for mass deletion, only one at a time, not a great problem as if I
want mass deletion I can do it with cc cleaner.


Instead of the cookie manager available from the GUI use:

chrome://communicator/content/permissions/cookieViewer.xul

in the location bar.  It's the old-style manager and allows multiple 
selections.


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Re: Remove cookies

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 1/14/2014, 3:08 AM, F Murtz wrote:

When I go to cookie manager through seamonkey 2.23 it does not seem to
allow for mass deletion, only one at a time, not a great problem as if I
want mass deletion I can do it with cc cleaner.


You don't need to use the cookie manager.
1. Go to Tools-->Clear_Private_Data.
2. Uncheck everything except "Cookies".
3. Click [Clear Private Data Now].


Yes, this is where the thread started back on January 11 (though this 
function was described there with the keyboard shortcut).


Strange that Daniel's menu doesn't have this. I see it in the mail/news 
window, in the browser, and even in the Data Manager window, of which as 
you know the Cookie Manager is a subset.


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Re: SM 2.21 crashes when trying to add gmail IMAP account

[Rob]

flyguy  wrote:
> I deleted my gmail POP account, then went through the setup for a gmail 
> IMAP account. When I clicked "Finish", SM crashed. I filled out the 
> crash report, restarted SM - same story. Rebooted, tried again, same story.
>
> What's going on?

When you don't want to create an entirely new profile, first try it this
way: remove the account, close Seamonkey (via File/Quit, not by closing
the window), find the ImapMail directory in your profile and remove everything
that is in it.

Then start Seamonkey and try adding the account again.
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Re: Installation SM 5378 and 2917 errors

[John E]

On  Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:42:55 +0600, Exalm wrote:

John E пишет:

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 at 03:48:00 +0600 Exalm wrote:


John E пишет:

I downloaded Oubuntu1ppa4-quantal_all.deb (the English language pack
for
SM), but Software Center came up with "Dependency is not
satisfiable", I

Obviously, seamonkey-locale-en (That's en_GB, if anything. en_US is
bundled with SM itself) depends on seamonkey package.

tried to overcome this with Edit -> Software Sources -> Other Software
-> Add but got stuck not finding an acceptable APT line to add there.

deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/exalm/seamonkey/ubuntu quantal main


OK, thanks, I've now downloaded
seamonkey_2.23-Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb, added the above APT
line and tried to see if Software center would install it.

Now getting a dependency not satisfiable: libfontconfig1 (>=2.9.0)

Can I fix this with an apt-get install -f command? If so, grateful
the exact syntax. My downloaded .deb is in /home/john/Downloads.

Or any better suggestions?


sudo apt-get install seamonkey
Or search for seamonkey in USC, but I don't use it, so I don't know.
Synaptic works, USC should too.
You don't download packages, there is apt for that. That applies to all
PPAs and all repositories.


Right,  so thanks for putting me straight on handling PPAs.  I have 
managed them before on rare occasions,  but as you can gather, I'm none 
too familiar with them.  From what you're saying here,  I can now see it 
ought to be a simple and straighforward procedure in Terminal,  and I've 
only been making life difficult for myself!


It's still not working though.  Here's what I've now tried:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa: exalm/seamonkey
  RESULT:  gpg and OK
sudo apt-get update
  RESULT:  series of hits, gets, errors,  fetched, & failed to fetch.
  note that the failures appear to be related to Precise so since
  I'd been advised the Quantal package ought to work OK on my Precise, I
  thought the failures could be ignored.
sudo apt-get install seamonkey
  RESULT:  E: Package 'seamonkey' has no installation candidate
sudo apt-get install seamonkey_2.23-Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb
  RESULT:  E: Unable to locate package  seamonkey_2.23-
  Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb
  E:  Couldn't find any package by regex 'seamonkey_2.23-
  Oubuntu1ppa4~quantal_amd64.deb

I get the impression that perhaps I'm working with the wrong packages, 
or at least doing things in the wrong order.  Grateful some further 
guidance that's geared down just a little towards an idiot's guide, 
although I didn't think I was a complete idiot!  [grin]



Anyway, I have seamonkey from my PPA and flashplugin-installer from
default $DISTRO-update/multiverse repo. But I have 32-bit system, so
things may be different on your side.


Difficult for me to guess whether it's these differences that are 
showing up here,  or whether it's procedural or package errors on my 
part,  or perhaps even that it just plain *doesn't work* on Precise ??


Possible suggestions:

 1.  I repeat my above attempts and post my full Terminal result
  here, showing all the error and failed to fetch detail
 2.  Procedural and package guidance
 3.  Using TEAMVIEWER,  a volunteer who is more familiar with PPAs
 and seamonkey installation than I am, gets on to my system
 and has a go at it themselves.   My timezone is GMT+7
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Re: Remove cookies

[Daniel]

On 14/01/14 21:28, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 1/14/2014, 3:08 AM, F Murtz wrote:

When I go to cookie manager through seamonkey 2.23 it does not seem to
allow for mass deletion, only one at a time, not a great problem as if I
want mass deletion I can do it with cc cleaner.


You don't need to use the cookie manager.
1. Go to Tools-->Clear_Private_Data.
2. Uncheck everything except "Cookies".
3. Click [Clear Private Data Now].


Sorry, Chris, no "Tools-->Clear_Private_Data" showing in my SM 2.23.

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/26.0 SeaMonkey/2.23 Build identifier: 20131203183810


or

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/25.0 SeaMonkey/2.22 Build identifier: 20131023190942

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Re: Remove cookies

[Chris Ilias]

On 1/14/2014, 3:08 AM, F Murtz wrote:

When I go to cookie manager through seamonkey 2.23 it does not seem to
allow for mass deletion, only one at a time, not a great problem as if I
want mass deletion I can do it with cc cleaner.


You don't need to use the cookie manager.
1. Go to Tools-->Clear_Private_Data.
2. Uncheck everything except "Cookies".
3. Click [Clear Private Data Now].

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Re: SM 2.21 crashes when trying to add gmail IMAP account

[Ray_Net]

flyguy wrote, On 13/01/2014 23:31:
I deleted my gmail POP account, then went through the setup for a 
gmail IMAP account. When I clicked "Finish", SM crashed. I filled out 
the crash report, restarted SM - same story. Rebooted, tried again, 
same story.


What's going on?

I don't know .. try to create a pop/smtp access to your gmail account. 
If this is working, try to change it into an imap access ...

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Re: Is there a way to remove "In-Reply-To" references in e-mail replies?

[Ant]

On 1/13/2014 8:43 AM PT, andré typed:


Method 2:

Use CTRL-R or equivalent to create a reply. Select and copy the quoted
material you want to include. Close the reply without sending.

Compose a fresh message, paste the copied material. Rewrap if desired.
Add recipients, subject, etc. Send normally.


Thanks. Bummer, not quick and easy. Oh well. :)


Actually, method 2 is almost as quick as a direct reply.  I use that
frequently, particularly when changing the topic.  (Although I tend to
open the new message first.)


Not if I have many random BCC e-mail addresses.
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the ground, cover them in honey, and then release a swarm of killer ants 
on them. That way, you can hit them over and over again and say, 'Hey! 
I'm just trying to help!' and they can't really get mad at you." --R.M. 
Weiner

   /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
  / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net
 | |o   o| |
\ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link.
 ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed.
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Re: Remove cookies

[F Murtz]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 1/11/2014, 10:02 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

regz91 wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

How can I remove all cookies in one go SM2.23?

ctrl+Shift+Delete


Yes, but that will clear ALL private data as you have them defined under
Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | Private Data. If you want to
clear only cookies, first modify that pref by unchecking the other
boxes.


By default, when you go to "Clear Private Data", SeaMonkey will ask you
which types of data you want to clear.


On my system it does not. But that may be because I've unchecked the box
"Ask me before clearing private data." Since we don't know the OP's
setting here, better safe than sorry.

When I go to cookie manager through seamonkey 2.23 it does not seem to 
allow for mass deletion, only one at a time, not a great problem as if I 
want mass deletion I can do it with cc cleaner.

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