Re: Plain-text formatting

[Bret Busby]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, Ed Mullen wrote:


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 11:26:18






This nonesense, anti-deluvial crap about plain-text is crap and nowhere near 
real-world.  Who are you people and what world do you inhabit?




You sound like one of those USA people who decided to defecate in their 
own lounge room and to defecate on the rest of the world, by imposing 
the President Dump on the world. Especially, with your repeated 
reference to the President Dump.


("What is the stink emanating from the White House? Oh, that is the 
President Dump - the USA's bad practical joke on the world.")


Your contempt for the use of plain text formatting, simply proves an 
earlier point of mine.


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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Ed Mullen]

On 1/25/2017 at 4:00 PM, Ray_Net's prodigious digits fired off with 
great aplomb:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 25-01-17 08:52:

Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it
has other advantages:

Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack
site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are
legit. No hidden tags etc...

Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to
really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I
send and read mail its usually because of the information and the
blink blink just distracts from it.

And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into
your favorite editor or word processor.


When in HTML, I can also do a copy/paste into my prefered word processor.

Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ?


There is no e-newspaper I know of that is sent in plain text.  They are 
all sent in a variety of "clever" intereactive digital formats. I 
subscribe to three so I know.  I get HTML emails from all of them every day.


You can copy/special paste from a browser window and lose the formatting 
and that's fine.  What's the problem?


This nonesense, anti-deluvial crap about plain-text is crap and nowhere 
near real-world.  Who are you people and what world do you inhabit?


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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Felix Miata]

Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:26 (UTC+0100):


Felix Miata wrote:



Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:00 (UTC+0100):



Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ?



What's a newspaper?



Use the first link found -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Newspaper wikipedia


It was a joke. Emails aren't newspapers. Newspapers are comprised of many 
subjects and many pages. Rarely is an email or news post more than a paragraph 
or three or five. Those text size and font variations newspapers use rarely have 
applicability in the context of small text bodies. Individual articles in 
newspapers usually and for good reason use only one size and style. Most HTML 
email users don't use any rich text features even if and when appropriate, 
making the HTML markup and CSS styling pure useless bloat.

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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Ray_Net]

Felix Miata wrote on 25-01-17 22:17:

Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:00 (UTC+0100):


Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ?


What's a newspaper?

Use the first link found -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Newspaper wikipedia
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I THINK I FOUND THE WAY - Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Ray_Net]

Richard Owlett wrote on 25-01-17 15:21:
I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change FROM 
a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.

I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


1. In about-config change the values of toolkit.zoomManager.zoomValues
from "0.5,0.75,0.9,1,1.2,1.5,2"  (without the quotes)
to "0.5,0.75,0.9,1.33,1.4,1.5,2"
(without the quotes)
2. Stop SM

3. Start SM

4. Then click on "View" - "Zoom" then 133%

Sometimes I nned to perform steps 2 to 4 again, again, and finally all 
is ok.
I had the same problem reverting my string to "0.5,0.75,0.9,1,1.2,1.5,2" 
(without the quotes)

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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Felix Miata]

Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:00 (UTC+0100):


Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ?


What's a newspaper?
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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Ray_Net]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 25-01-17 08:52:
Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it 
has other advantages:


Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack 
site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are 
legit. No hidden tags etc...


Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to 
really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I 
send and read mail its usually because of the information and the 
blink blink just distracts from it.


And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into 
your favorite editor or word processor.



When in HTML, I can also do a copy/paste into my prefered word processor.

Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ?
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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 25-01-17 19:09:

Bret Busby wrote:


It is really quite a simple matter.

If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for
the people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in
plain text format.

If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for
the people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in
other than plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to
be sent in other than plain text format, by all the people who are
expected to read it).


As you've already shown, not all senders are alike, and not all 
recipients are alike; their needs and preferences differ. One size 
does not fit all, and the contempt you perceive based on your personal 
needs and preferences is not necessarily the attitude of the sender.


Specifically, formatting features were developed (long before the 
computer was invented) as a way of conveying useful information such 
as emphasis. Book titles and foreign words were routinely italicized 
for a long time before we figured out how to do that with computers. 
Headings were routinely bolded and enlarged for a long time before we 
figured out how to do that with computers.


I have many correspondents that are put off by the stone-age approach 
of plain text, and they feel honored and respected when I send 
something that is easier to read even if it costs them an extra penny 
or two a year. In this forum, I honor the local convention and send 
plain text, but elsewhere I live in the 21st century.


YMMV. Mine, too.


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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Ed Mullen]

On 1/25/2017 at 10:25 AM, Richard Owlett's prodigious digits fired off 
with great aplomb:

On 01/25/2017 08:44 AM, me wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range From To.


There is NO "Zoom options" under "Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance" in
SeaMonkey 2.40 under either Windows or Linux.






Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press ctrl-zero,
like when viewing RSS feeds.



It's under Appearance - Content.

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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Ed Mullen]

On 1/25/2017 at 1:09 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off 
with great aplomb:

Bret Busby wrote:


It is really quite a simple matter.

If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for
the people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in
plain text format.

If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for
the people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in
other than plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to
be sent in other than plain text format, by all the people who are
expected to read it).


As you've already shown, not all senders are alike, and not all
recipients are alike; their needs and preferences differ. One size does
not fit all, and the contempt you perceive based on your personal needs
and preferences is not necessarily the attitude of the sender.

Specifically, formatting features were developed (long before the
computer was invented) as a way of conveying useful information such as
emphasis. Book titles and foreign words were routinely italicized for a
long time before we figured out how to do that with computers. Headings
were routinely bolded and enlarged for a long time before we figured out
how to do that with computers.

I have many correspondents that are put off by the stone-age approach of
plain text, and they feel honored and respected when I send something
that is easier to read even if it costs them an extra penny or two a
year. In this forum, I honor the local convention and send plain text,
but elsewhere I live in the 21st century.

YMMV. Mine, too.



+1


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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[me]

Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 01/25/2017 12:28 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 01/25/2017 11:17 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>
 I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the
 change FROM
 a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9. I can properly display web sites if I
 *set ZOOM to 130%. I can find settings for min and max zoom in
 about:config.

 I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%. How?
>>>
>>> Since this is not a program-specific issue,
>>
>> *ERROR*!!!
>> It is *EXPLICITLY* a problem with *EXACTLY* _ONE_ program --
>> SeaMonkey 2.40.
>>
> 
> Also appears situation unchanged in SM 2.46
> 
> There is no option to specify a *DEFAULT* zoom
> 

I am using 2.49a2. There is a minimum zoom option and it corresponds to
the afore mentioned zoom.minpercent. It seems to work for me mostly,
although not on plain text emails. Maybe there is a bug which is
stopping it working for you?

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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 12:28 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 11:17 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the
change FROM
a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9. I can properly display web sites if I
*set ZOOM to 130%. I can find settings for min and max zoom in
about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%. How?


Since this is not a program-specific issue,


*ERROR*!!!
It is *EXPLICITLY* a problem with *EXACTLY* _ONE_ program --
SeaMonkey 2.40.



Also appears situation unchanged in SM 2.46

There is no option to specify a *DEFAULT* zoom


OK, what happens if you specify a range from 200% to 300%? Does it 
really default to 100%, outside the allowed range?


On my 2.46 installation, the answer's no. I get 200% and CTRL-0 does not 
reduce it below 200%, but if I restore the original 75% minimum setting 
and restart the browser, I'm back to 100% with the option of manually 
increasing/reducing the zoom ad hoc between the new set limits.


In short, if you set a minimum greater than 100%, you will never see 
100% zoom again. The browser will always start with your new minimum.


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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/25/2017 12:28 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 11:17 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the
change FROM
a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9. I can properly display web sites if I
*set ZOOM to 130%. I can find settings for min and max zoom in
about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%. How?


Since this is not a program-specific issue,


*ERROR*!!!
It is *EXPLICITLY* a problem with *EXACTLY* _ONE_ program --
SeaMonkey 2.40.



Also appears situation unchanged in SM 2.46

There is no option to specify a *DEFAULT* zoom
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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/25/2017 11:17 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the
change FROM
a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9. I can properly display web sites if I
*set ZOOM to 130%. I can find settings for min and max zoom in
about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%. How?


Since this is not a program-specific issue,


*ERROR*!!!
It is *EXPLICITLY* a problem with *EXACTLY* _ONE_ program -- 
SeaMonkey 2.40.




 but a general
visibility issue, I would not set zoom levels program by program.
Rather, I would tweak the global settings in the OS and let all
programs fall into line.

In Windows, right-click the desktop and choose "Properties," go
from there. Sorry, don't know the Mac procedure.


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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Bret Busby wrote:


It is really quite a simple matter.

If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for
the people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in
plain text format.

If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for
the people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in
other than plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to
be sent in other than plain text format, by all the people who are
expected to read it).


As you've already shown, not all senders are alike, and not all 
recipients are alike; their needs and preferences differ. One size does 
not fit all, and the contempt you perceive based on your personal needs 
and preferences is not necessarily the attitude of the sender.


Specifically, formatting features were developed (long before the 
computer was invented) as a way of conveying useful information such as 
emphasis. Book titles and foreign words were routinely italicized for a 
long time before we figured out how to do that with computers. Headings 
were routinely bolded and enlarged for a long time before we figured out 
how to do that with computers.


I have many correspondents that are put off by the stone-age approach of 
plain text, and they feel honored and respected when I send something 
that is easier to read even if it costs them an extra penny or two a 
year. In this forum, I honor the local convention and send plain text, 
but elsewhere I live in the 21st century.


YMMV. Mine, too.

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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Bret Busby]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Bret Busby wrote:


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 01:42:29
From: Bret Busby 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, Wolf wrote:


Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:57:04
From: Wolf 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey
Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting

Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb:
Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has 
other advantages:


Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack site. 
You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. No 
hidden tags etc...


Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to really 
play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send and read 
mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink just 
distracts from it.


And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into your 
favorite editor or word processor.


FRG



+1

Regards
Wolf




It is really quite a simple matter.

If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for the people 
expected to read the message, the message will be sent in plain text format.


If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for the 
people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in other than 
plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to be sent in other 
than plain text format, by all the people who are expected to read it).


If a person gets a meal from a restaurant, the person does not expect to find 
within the meal, contents from the restaurant cat's toilet box.


Similarly, for the most part, people reading an email message, do not expect 
it to contain extraneous (figurative) faecal matter that is usually designed 
to defeat email filters.


After posting the above message, I remembered the recent (in the last 
few years, I believe) Australian federal government "Post your poop to a 
pollie" campaign, where the federal government requested that the public 
defecate each in an envelope, and put it in the postal mail (I don't 
envy the postal workers who would have had to clear jams in sorting 
machines).


It is pretty much the same as sending email messages that are not in 
plain text format.


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West Australia
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 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
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  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
  written by Douglas Adams,
  published by Pan Books, 1992

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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Bret Busby]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, Wolf wrote:


Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:57:04
From: Wolf 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey
Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting

Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb:
Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has 
other advantages:


Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack site. 
You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. No hidden 
tags etc...


Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to really 
play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send and read 
mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink just 
distracts from it.


And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into your 
favorite editor or word processor.


FRG



+1

Regards
Wolf




It is really quite a simple matter.

If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for the 
people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in plain 
text format.


If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for the 
people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in other than 
plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to be sent in 
other than plain text format, by all the people who are expected to read 
it).


If a person gets a meal from a restaurant, the person does not expect 
to find within the meal, contents from the restaurant cat's toilet box.


Similarly, for the most part, people reading an email message, do not 
expect it to contain extraneous (figurative) faecal matter that is 
usually designed to defeat email filters.


--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
  Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
  "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
  written by Douglas Adams,
  published by Pan Books, 1992

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Message display in Linux

[NFN Smith]

I don't frequently use mail from my Linux box, but I just checked there, 
and finding strange handling.  What's happening is that when I view 
messages in the preview pane, header information isn't being shown, 
although body content is visible.  In the header, the control for 
display options is not responsive. If the message has attachments, the 
header for the attachments sub-pane is visible, but not the attachments. 
 My normal display setting is for showing Normal headers.


When I open a message in a separate window, the display is entirely 
blank, except for the Mail toolbar, but no other information (headers, 
body or attachments).


If I'm composing a message, all the content shows up correctly.

Any idea of what's happening?

I'm running Seamonkey 2.46 on Ubuntu 12.04, with a build that came from 
Ubuntuzilla.


Smith
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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Richard Owlett wrote:


I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change FROM
a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9. I can properly display web sites if I
*set ZOOM to 130%. I can find settings for min and max zoom in
about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%. How?


Since this is not a program-specific issue, but a general visibility 
issue, I would not set zoom levels program by program. Rather, I would 
tweak the global settings in the OS and let all programs fall into line.


In Windows, right-click the desktop and choose "Properties," go from 
there. Sorry, don't know the Mac procedure.


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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Felix Miata]

Richard Owlett composed on 2017-01-25 08:21 (UTC-0600):


I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.



I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


At least in theory, in about:config's toolkit.zoomManager.zoomValues you could 
remove all values below 1.33, but it seems to have no effect here in 2.46 on Linux.


In appearance -> fonts you could try raising the proportional font size by 133%, 
then making minimum font size the same. But you should soon see there are 
drawbacks to that approach.

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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[WaltS48]

On 01/25/2017 11:38 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 10:35 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 01/25/2017 11:25 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 10:11 AM, Larry S. wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 08:44 AM, me wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the
change
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range
From To.


There is NO "Zoom options" under "Edit -> Preferences ->
Appearance" in
SeaMonkey 2.40 under either Windows or Linux.


"Me" left out one step--Appearance>*Content*>Zoom Options.

Larry S.


Under content there are only check boxes.
The only zoom options are text only or remember zoom level on
per site
basis.

I want to force 133% for *ALL* pages.









Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press
ctrl-zero,
like when viewing RSS feeds.





Have you tried View > Zoom?



That was how I discovered 133% is what I need for a *DEFAULT*



Then restart the browser. 邏

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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[WaltS48]

On 01/25/2017 11:38 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 10:35 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 01/25/2017 11:25 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 10:11 AM, Larry S. wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 08:44 AM, me wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the
change
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range
From To.


There is NO "Zoom options" under "Edit -> Preferences ->
Appearance" in
SeaMonkey 2.40 under either Windows or Linux.


"Me" left out one step--Appearance>*Content*>Zoom Options.

Larry S.


Under content there are only check boxes.
The only zoom options are text only or remember zoom level on
per site
basis.

I want to force 133% for *ALL* pages.









Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press
ctrl-zero,
like when viewing RSS feeds.





Have you tried View > Zoom?



That was how I discovered 133% is what I need for a *DEFAULT*



Edit > Preferences > Appearance > Content, and set the "Range from 133% 
to 133%" under Zoom options.


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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/25/2017 10:35 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 01/25/2017 11:25 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 10:11 AM, Larry S. wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 08:44 AM, me wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the
change
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range
From To.


There is NO "Zoom options" under "Edit -> Preferences ->
Appearance" in
SeaMonkey 2.40 under either Windows or Linux.


"Me" left out one step--Appearance>*Content*>Zoom Options.

Larry S.


Under content there are only check boxes.
The only zoom options are text only or remember zoom level on
per site
basis.

I want to force 133% for *ALL* pages.









Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press
ctrl-zero,
like when viewing RSS feeds.





Have you tried View > Zoom?



That was how I discovered 133% is what I need for a *DEFAULT*

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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[WaltS48]

On 01/25/2017 11:25 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 10:11 AM, Larry S. wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 08:44 AM, me wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range
From To.


There is NO "Zoom options" under "Edit -> Preferences ->
Appearance" in
SeaMonkey 2.40 under either Windows or Linux.


"Me" left out one step--Appearance>*Content*>Zoom Options.

Larry S.


Under content there are only check boxes.
The only zoom options are text only or remember zoom level on per site
basis.

I want to force 133% for *ALL* pages.









Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press
ctrl-zero,
like when viewing RSS feeds.





Have you tried View > Zoom?

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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/25/2017 10:11 AM, Larry S. wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 08:44 AM, me wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range
From To.


There is NO "Zoom options" under "Edit -> Preferences ->
Appearance" in
SeaMonkey 2.40 under either Windows or Linux.


"Me" left out one step--Appearance>*Content*>Zoom Options.

Larry S.


Under content there are only check boxes.
The only zoom options are text only or remember zoom level on per 
site basis.


I want to force 133% for *ALL* pages.









Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press
ctrl-zero,
like when viewing RSS feeds.




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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Larry S.]

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 08:44 AM, me wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range From To.


There is NO "Zoom options" under "Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance" in
SeaMonkey 2.40 under either Windows or Linux.


"Me" left out one step--Appearance>*Content*>Zoom Options.

Larry S.






Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press ctrl-zero,
like when viewing RSS feeds.



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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/25/2017 09:32 AM, me wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/25/2017 08:44 AM, me wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range From To.


There is NO "Zoom options" under "Edit -> Preferences ->
Appearance" in SeaMonkey 2.40 under either Windows or Linux.






Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press ctrl-zero,
like when viewing RSS feeds.



Well I think it corresponds to zoom.minPercent in about:config



That was the first thing I had tried :<

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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[me]

Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 01/25/2017 08:44 AM, me wrote:
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change
>>> FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
>>> I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
>>> I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.
>>>
>>> I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
>>> How?
>>>
>> Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range From To.
> 
> There is NO "Zoom options" under "Edit -> Preferences -> 
> Appearance" in SeaMonkey 2.40 under either Windows or Linux.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press ctrl-zero,
>> like when viewing RSS feeds.
>>

Well I think it corresponds to zoom.minPercent in about:config

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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/25/2017 08:44 AM, me wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?


Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range From To.


There is NO "Zoom options" under "Edit -> Preferences -> 
Appearance" in SeaMonkey 2.40 under either Windows or Linux.







Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press ctrl-zero,
like when viewing RSS feeds.


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Re: How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[me]

Richard Owlett wrote:
> I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change 
> FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.
> I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
> I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.
>
> I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
> How?
>
Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Zoom options -> Range From To.

Except it doesn't always default, sometimes you have to press ctrl-zero,
like when viewing RSS feeds.

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How to set DEFAULT zoom level

[Richard Owlett]

I've just changed laptops. The CRITICAL difference is the change 
FROM a 4:3 aspect ratio TO 16:9.

I can properly display web sites if I *set ZOOM to 130%.
I can find settings for min and max zoom in about:config.

I wish to *FORCE DEFAULT ZOOM* to 133%.
How?

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RESOLVED - was [ Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430]

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/19/2017 5:43 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

The immediate problem revolves around the differing screen aspect
ratios. The screen of the T430 is shorter by ~1.5 inches while
maintaining an ~14 inch diagonal.

While researching the various layouts SeaMonkey can use, I would
like to use both machines for email. Leaving my email on the POP
server is not an option [a *personal* decision not based on tech
issues].

I've couple of screwy ideas for keeping both machines in step.
I would like to hear the ideas of others before I muddy the waters.
Thank you.


Thanks for all the input.
Turns out that more things had changed in my working environment 
than I had realized.
The perceived need to bounce back and forth between machines went 
away when I discovered that setting zoom level to 133% solved my 
problems with a couple of critical web sites.

Now I can just do everything on my new machine.
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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Wolf]

Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb:
Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has 
other advantages:


Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack 
site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. 
No hidden tags etc...


Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to 
really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send 
and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink 
just distracts from it.


And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into 
your favorite editor or word processor.


FRG



+1

Regards
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