Re: Problems with migrating addressbooks and folders from 1.1.18 to 2.0
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Daniel: Well, I must have done something wrong, as I managed to delete the profile as you suggested, plus all my 1.1.18 DATA! That's strange as well, but maybe you deleted the whole Mozilla folder instead of just the SeaMonkey one below it - and the Mozilla one contains _all_ profile of _all_ Mozilla-based applications, be it SeaMonkey 1.x, 2.x or even (if ever installed) Firefox, Thunderbird, or whatever. By the way, such errors are why I suggested _renaming_ in my post, not deleting. I know how easy it is to delete the wrong thing. And renaming has the advantage of being able to rename it back. (Also, having backups of all data is a very good suggestion, as not only personal errors can destroy data, programming errors or hardware failures can cause that as well, and having a place to restore data from can be very helpful.) If you're in the hard position that you really need to start up clean because your data is lost, you should try to do that on 2.0.1 though, so that you don't need to upgrade from 1.x to 2.x another time later on. Robert Kaiser To Robert Kaiser: Well, I had a man I trust come and clean out the mangled internet situation, and reinstalled 1.1.18, and downloaded 2.0. Now, before I do anything , I wanted to let you know I have almost nothing on this reconstituted version. Would everything transfer over to 2.0 if I were to reinstall 2.0, now? :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problems with migrating addressbooks and folders from 1.1.18 to 2.0
Daniel wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser, Leonidas Jones, NoOp, Mark Hansen: Clean slate, new thread. However, it does have to start with the suggestions of Robert Kaiser. First, I reinstalled 2.0, it seems the profile and the bookmarks were still there from my first attempt, which did not allow me to migrate everything that had to do with addressbooks or even Local Folders. 1.Your followup suggestion to do something with the 2.0 profile, so that I could start over, I am afraid I cannot figure out where the info is to either delete or whatever, so that I could get a clean install and start over again! That is one continuing problem that I think I will just have to do manually, by typing the addresses all over again, into the 2.0 addressbook! John, when you removed SM 2.0, did you remove it's profile as well?? *NOTE* When you originally installed SM 2.0 it made a copy of your SM 1.1.18 profile, and when you deleted SM 2.0, it would not have removed this profile, so when you re-installed SM 2.0, it would have found this profile. To find it, in SM 2.0, have a look at Edit Mail Newsgroup Account Setting, and, at the bottom of the Server Settings page, there is the Local Direction location. This should be where your SM 2.0 profile is stored. Close SM 2.0, including the Quick Launch feature (if it's still there), delete the profile (using Windows Explorer or whatever) then use the Windows Program Remover to get rid of SM 2.0, then re-install SM 2.0 to get an up-to-date copy of your SM 1.1.18 profile Daniel 2.Then I discovered, even after I set up the newsgroup for Mozilla support.seamonkey, that I could not use that one in ver. 2.0 to enter any messages! NOW, that one I bet, is because I did not activate something in 2.0, and, may have to do with the fact that 1.1.18 is still my default browser, even though the desktop ICON always brings up 2.0! How do I correct that, please?3. Another point is, the folders where incoming mail and newsgroups should be directed to, is there such a thing anymore as Local Folders? If so, how do I activate it? :-\ To Daniel: Well, I must have done something wrong, as I managed to delete the profile as you suggested, plus all my 1.1.18 DATA! I cannot blame this on 2.0, just my NOT really understanding how to and so, now I no longer have ANY book marks, nor any addressbooks either! But, as you can see, I did get my basic 1.1.18 restarted, and what I am going to have to do, is now wait until I start receiving things to re-constitute all my data! The newsgroup IS accessible, as you can see, and I will have to completely resetup it entirely! Then I will see about any changeover, as this process is going to take some time to get it roughly back the way I had it before! If I am not mistaken, there should be a way to get the addressbooks back, even with a deleted profile, but I have forgotten how, can someone help me with that? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problems with migrating addressbooks and folders from 1.1.18 to 2.0
Daniel wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser, Leonidas Jones, NoOp, Mark Hansen: Clean slate, new thread. However, it does have to start with the suggestions of Robert Kaiser. First, I reinstalled 2.0, it seems the profile and the bookmarks were still there from my first attempt, which did not allow me to migrate everything that had to do with addressbooks or even Local Folders. 1.Your followup suggestion to do something with the 2.0 profile, so that I could start over, I am afraid I cannot figure out where the info is to either delete or whatever, so that I could get a clean install and start over again! That is one continuing problem that I think I will just have to do manually, by typing the addresses all over again, into the 2.0 addressbook! John, when you removed SM 2.0, did you remove it's profile as well?? *NOTE* When you originally installed SM 2.0 it made a copy of your SM 1.1.18 profile, and when you deleted SM 2.0, it would not have removed this profile, so when you re-installed SM 2.0, it would have found this profile. To find it, in SM 2.0, have a look at Edit Mail Newsgroup Account Setting, and, at the bottom of the Server Settings page, there is the Local Direction location. This should be where your SM 2.0 profile is stored. Close SM 2.0, including the Quick Launch feature (if it's still there), delete the profile (using Windows Explorer or whatever) then use the Windows Program Remover to get rid of SM 2.0, then re-install SM 2.0 to get an up-to-date copy of your SM 1.1.18 profile Daniel 2.Then I discovered, even after I set up the newsgroup for Mozilla support.seamonkey, that I could not use that one in ver. 2.0 to enter any messages! NOW, that one I bet, is because I did not activate something in 2.0, and, may have to do with the fact that 1.1.18 is still my default browser, even though the desktop ICON always brings up 2.0! How do I correct that, please?3. Another point is, the folders where incoming mail and newsgroups should be directed to, is there such a thing anymore as Local Folders? If so, how do I activate it? :-\ To Daniel: Well, I must have done something wrong, as I managed to delete the profile as you suggested, plus all my 1.1.18 DATA! I cannot blame this on 2.0, just my NOT really understanding how to and so, now I no longer have ANY book marks, nor any addressbooks either! But, as you can see, I did get my basic 1.1.18 restarted, and what I am going to have to do, is now wait until I start receiving things to re-constitute all my data! The newsgroup IS accessible, as you can see, and I will have to completely resetup it entirely! Then I will see about any changeover, as this process is going to take some time to get it roughly back the way I had it before! If I am not mistaken, there should be a way to get the addressbooks back, even with a deleted profile, but I have forgotten how, can someone help me with that? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
NoOp wrote: On 12/11/2009 08:10 PM, John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser: I have to laugh because you finally made a funny but not really sarcastic joke! I spent 21 years in the Army, I'll only say this once: Stop. Nobody cares that you spent 21 years in the Army (I spent over 10 years in the US Army and I'm a Vietnam Vet... that along with my BSM and/or my VCG plus $5 will get me a cup of coffee now days). You do know what a BSM is don't you? How about a VCG? The fact that you keep bringing this up is embarassing to all of the rest of us military veterans (and there are many from many countries that frequent this group and/or support list). You have, for a very long time, harrassed this list with similar posts. Folks have tried their best to assist you (archives will show), but you continue to blast back with these posts. *Please* if you'd like help with SeaMonkey, limit your posts to a subject with the problem issue, a clear definition of what the problem is, and *then* perhaps someone can assist. Your continued attacks on developers, other users that try to assist you, and the world in general just isn't working. If you persist then: 1) people will simply killfile you and ignore any further posts from you (anyone need instructions on how to do this?), 2) someone will eventually blast back with a flame regarding your posts... and I don't thing anyone here wishes to see that, or 3) someone will take the initiative and simply remove you/block you from the group/list. You can then wander off to IE/other browser/email land and nobody will give a hoot. Please see: http://www.mozilla.org/community/etiquette.html As for your repeated attacks on Robert Kaiser; I realize he needs no defense here but I'll say my 2 cents: Robert/Kairo is a lynchpin for this project and repeatedly gives his time and effort to SeaMonkey. My guess is, that were it not for Robert's efforts, SeaMonkey would pretty much be dead by now [1]. SeaMonkey 2.x, with perhaps the problems with *some* 1.1.18 profile migration, and the form manager issue, is in my opinion probably the best thing that has ever happened to SeaMonkey. And yes Virginia, I still have my original Netscape floppy along with my original Netscape license. So give it a rest folks; work with the people/developers/user-testers/others that brought SeaMonkey 2.x to life. Help resolve issues, file bug reports as you find them, and perhaps most of all remember that this is mozilla.support.seamonkey. [1] Before anyone chimes in about icons etc., I too have had my difference of opinions with Robert, but I'll tell you what; I sincerely appreciate his continued efforts, work, and promotion of SeaMonkey as well of the excellent efforts of all SeaMonkey volunteers. Yes, I'd like to see the download icons changed... they will in time. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To NoOp: STOP YOURSELF: I finally say something reasonable and , I must say very personal, and you want to go off in a tangent! It so happens I have a BSM, myself and a few others besides: I only mentioned that and other parts of the statement because Robert Kaiser DID make a funny, and I was letting him know I appreciated it! I have never pushed my being a Vet on anyone on this newsgroup, only made strong mention of my health and why I got angry! I was trying to GIVE IT A REST, and he even did send me some information on exactly what I needed, but I again ran into trouble! I intend starting a new thread, without CAPS, if I can, going over my problems with the addressbook migration! Ironically, I cannot even send any messages to the newsgroup in 2.0, and that is why I am doing so here and now! As for Linux, that was not meant as any slam, but the so-called local help, here where I live, is even worse than anything I have said about 2.0!! :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Problems with migrating addressbooks and folders from 1.1.18 to 2.0
To Robert Kaiser, Leonidas Jones, NoOp, Mark Hansen: Clean slate, new thread. However, it does have to start with the suggestions of Robert Kaiser. First, I reinstalled 2.0, it seems the profile and the bookmarks were still there from my first attempt, which did not allow me to migrate everything that had to do with addressbooks or even Local Folders. 1.Your followup suggestion to do something with the 2.0 profile, so that I could start over, I am afraid I cannot figure out where the info is to either delete or whatever, so that I could get a clean install and start over again! That is one continuing problem that I think I will just have to do manually, by typing the addresses all over again, into the 2.0 addressbook! 2.Then I discovered, even after I set up the newsgroup for Mozilla support.seamonkey, that I could not use that one in ver. 2.0 to enter any messages! NOW, that one I bet, is because I did not activate something in 2.0, and, may have to do with the fact that 1.1.18 is still my default browser, even though the desktop ICON always brings up 2.0! How do I correct that, please?3. Another point is, the folders where incoming mail and newsgroups should be directed to, is there such a thing anymore as Local Folders? If so, how do I activate it? :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: I have been a LOYAL user of Netscape/SeaMonkey since Netscape 4, which I made clear in one of my messages! That doesn't change that you are a destructive voice now, apparently, and accusing the people of only bad things who are in fact donating a whole lot of their free time to improving SeaMonkey and keeping it alive at all. When I mentioned the word Invention I clearly meant the Invention of 2.0, which despite my non-programmer background, was even said by one of your supporters or even you., to be a clean DEPARTURE from All the old code! This invention was and is the only way to keep the suite alive, at least from our point of view. If you don't share that view, feel free to assemble your own team and develop the old code in a different way, it's all open and we are not afraid of competition. Why couldn't you have listened to your users more than you did or are doing NOW? I and our whole team are constantly listening to a whole lot of users - just that not all users are thinking the same way, and some times one has to make decisions. Once you have leadership experience somehwere, you'll agree on that point, at least. Why couldn't Any of your team first do a survey to see what the majority of SeaMonkey were using for OS's , for one example? You think that 95% of our users are on Windows, some 60% of those on Windows XP, does change anything? Why that? Do you think it would be better top ignore the 5% on Mac and Linux and stop development for those? Then, along with all the NEW code, you could have put out clearer instructions for the vast majority of your user base, instead of Ignoring that very same user base? If you did not have the time to do so, than why didn't you make it clear and Ask one of the users who might have some experience in writing training material Oh, we did ask that quite often and still do, you just seem to be reading those things. And you're joining our testday today, right? Why do you keep on ignoring all the CRIES FOR HELP,? You don't seem to be reading this group, all team is all over the place and helping those people who constructively ask for help instead of just shout at us for being jerks or something. I can say that your effort at putting the program together, incomplete as it may be, is highly commendable Thanks, at least *something* positive you can see. Unfortunately, we are a very small team and cannot do everything at once. We know, we can need improvement on a whole lot of things, and we welcome anyone trying to sincerely help us making it better. Be constructive, help to improve things, and magically, things will improve for yourself. That's how SeaMonkey, the whole open source movement, and actually, most of our modern society work. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Robert Kaiser: Then, you start, by explaining how, on earth, does one migrate ones Addressbooks intact to SM2, in detail, PLEASE!??? I was able to migrate my bookmarks on the first real install I attempted, but CANNOT (sorry about the CAPS) successfully migrate my addressbooks intact and did, in fact, sorry to say, damage the data on my 1.1.18, part of which I had luckily printed out and can re-constitute, but the Collected Addressbook itself, is totally GONE! Please explain to me how to reconstitute that file. In Detail, if possible! :-\ -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: you just seem to be as Imperial Minded as the Kaiser was in WWI! Right, that's why he had already introduced UK-style democracy in mostz parts of his monarchy. Interestingly, you haven't understood yet that joking on someone's name will not make him like you better, though I thought that was something most people learn e.g. in the Army. Perhaps it was the Navy where people learned the really useful things in life, then. Let's discuss real facts once your blood has stopped Boyling, OK? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Robert Kaiser: I have to laugh because you finally made a funny but not really sarcastic joke! I spent 21 years in the Army, and you probably have no idea of how many variations on my last name I heard! Not only that, but guess who got picked for details, not always first but 2nd or 3rd! We had too many people with names that too many Sergeants did not want to pronounce or could not, so it was either Alphabet or Boyle or anyway else they could get the number they needed for details!! As you may have already noticed, I sent you, just a little while ago, a hopefully reasoned, non-sarcastic request for help! Now, if you and I can keep it on that level, maybe I can finally get something to work, since you are completely determined on your course! If I, first of all, had any knowledge of how to program, or even knew some people who could, I might try, but I do not and can not! I do have a 2 year College degree, but it was in the physical aspects NOT in the programming, as I do have a very weak spot when it comes to advanced math! I do not and can not make head nor tail out of Boolean Algebra, yet I can use just about all the test equipment to check out something and diagnose it enough to fix it, but NOT COMPUTER CODE! Again, sorry for the CAPS. But, again, I also wish someone in your association, could do something about writing out a good, fairly detailed explanation of how to, and maybe then you would NOT be getting all the anger even from others , or just the statement they are dropping 2.0 and going back to 1.1.18, maybe! :-\ -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Mark Hansen: Seems you are infected with the same disease as Robert Kaiser! It's an interesting world where everyone but yourself is losing his/her mind and have a disease, right? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Robert Kaiser: The 'DISEASE of Arrogance, not LOSS of MIND! I never said that, so don't twist it, and NO, I am no troll, if you would bother to read everything I said and reduce the CAPS to small letters, you might find I have been a LOYAL user of Netscape/SeaMonkey since Netscape 4, which I made clear in one of my messages! When I mentioned the word Invention I clearly meant the Invention of 2.0, which despite my non-programmer background, was even said by one of your supporters or even you., to be a clean DEPARTURE from All the old code! I did NOT invent that statement, nor did I do any Trolling for anybody, but I have tried to make it clear you are NOT being as helpful as you seem to think you are, NOR is your version of SeaMonkey any easier to understand than too many versions of LINUX are! If you would even pay attention to what all the users were saying last year when you started making comments on what you were doing, all the way up to NOW, you would find that a VAST majority were NOT in favor of you deliberately destroying the user base, along with Totally changing the program code! Why couldn't you have listened to your users more than you did or are doing NOW? Why couldn't Any of your team first do a survey to see what the majority of SeaMonkey were using for OS's , for one example? Then, along with all the NEW code, you could have put out clearer instructions for the vast majority of your user base, instead of Ignoring that very same user base? If you did not have the time to do so, than why didn't you make it clear and Ask one of the users who might have some experience in writing training material, (Again, not my field, I only taught FROM already written material) , for instance, why did you not ask Mark Hansen, one of your very strong supporters, or asked the entire group for someone who could understand what you were doing and who knew how to make it MUCH clearer to the majority of users? Like Philip Jones, or even Leonidas Jones(wow, I said something NICE)??? Why do you keep on ignoring all the CRIES FOR HELP,?** My whole thing of anger, is based on this very FACT, of there just NOT being any REAL help, focused on those who very obviously do NOT have your background nor of any of your developers background! I can say that your effort at putting the program together, incomplete as it may be, is highly commendable, but you seem to have lost sight of the FACT, that the majority of users do NOT have your background! :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: So, while migrating your address book from your SM 1.1.X profile to SM 2.0, it destroyed your address book in your SM 1.1.X profile? To Mark Hansen: YES, exactly! There is absolutely no single piece of code in SeaMonkey 2.0 that would be able to do that unless you are crazy and are trying to use the same custom location for both the 1.x and the 2.0 profile. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Robert Kaiser: Since I have made it plain I have no way to program anything , how would I have a custom location interfering with an alleged Basic function??? How can you even suggest that after ALL I have said to explain my situation, is beyond me, also! Again, the problem is that you do NOT think as a USER, but as as Developer Whiz Kid! Why is it so hard for you to understand that 2.0 DOES not and IS not what you allegedly think it is and does? :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: Enough for now! :-( :-\ I couldn't agree more. I can do nothing against your bad health or you regrading yourself as a low-life being as you seem to suggest in multiple of your posts here. Try to be friendly and constructive instead of negative, arrogant and sarcastic (I know you accuse us of being that but your messages consist of exactly the style you accuse us of) and you'll wonder how helpful the community here can be. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Robert Kaiser: I DID NOT REGRADE myself, YOU HAVE DONE IT, consistently and Still are, by your simply ignoring the FACTS that are presented to you and by YOUR IGNORANCE of what the ENglish language says when it is presented to you! YES, I am sarcastic, but not ARROGANT as that comes from the so-called superior attitude YOU have shown over the entire discussion for the past one or two years! My sarcasm IS based on YOUR ARROGANCE AND FAILURE TO ADMIT WHEN YOU ARE WRONG, nuts there I go again, using CAPS! I wish you would get off your high horse, and provide CLEARCUT, CONCISE AND COMPLETE, INSTRUCTIONS, then you just might not get CAPS back at you! You have Consistently and Continuely FAILED to comprehend what courtesy and help mean or how to go about giving that very , very needed help, and you just seem to be as Imperial Minded as the Kaiser was in WWI! You must be related to him, as you just cannot comprehend *a cry for help*, under ANY circumstances! You, personally, are driving many away from SeaMonkey, and, yet, you just cannot seem to understand that very simple concept! Why, I cannot fathom and it is obvious you Never will! I spent 21 years in the Army, and they taught me a couple of concepts in dealing with people, that you OBVIOUSLY CANNOT COMPREHEND, one, being K.I.S.S. or Keep It Simple, stupid, and the other being R.O.A.N. or Repair ONLY as NECESSARY! :-( :-( :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/9/2009 5:32 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: Enough for now! :-( :-\ I couldn't agree more. I can do nothing against your bad health or you regrading yourself as a low-life being as you seem to suggest in multiple of your posts here. Try to be friendly and constructive instead of negative, arrogant and sarcastic (I know you accuse us of being that but your messages consist of exactly the style you accuse us of) and you'll wonder how helpful the community here can be. Robert Kaiser Exactly! Why people think the best way to get help is to denigrate the very volunteers they demand help from is quite beyond me. For example, beginning a thread with a subject line that expresses the product is junk is the wrong way to try to get help. In my opinion, such threads should be treated as trolling and just ignored. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Mark Hansen: Seems you are infected with the same disease as Robert Kaiser! When is the last time you gave complete, clearcut instructions on how to overcome the failings of SM2? From what I have read on this list or the newsgroup, you seem to think people can read your mind and at a distance! Why is beyond me, and for the same reasons I wrote to Robert Kaiser! I have been a user of Mozilla since Netscape 4 and, up until now, had no trouble with Seamonkey worth mentioning, but you and Mr. Kaiser have completely reinvented the Wheel, and neither of you can even define or describe to the rest of us how to get your Invention to work! I did NOT originate the title of the thread, Version 2.0 is JUNK, if you bother to even check that FACT, but I CLEARLY agree with that statement! :-( :-( :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: [...] All yelling has been deleted, so nothing is left to display! John, do you really have to yell all the time? That you're unnecessarily strident is one thing, but all those caps are annoying! keith whaley To Keith , Leonidas ,et al: I do apologize for the CAPS in my messages, but when I am shocked by attitudes of people who should know better, I will sound off! If you notice, though, I do not use cuss words! I have been trying to get the Developers and others to recognize that USERS are NOT Developers, in the main, yet that seems to be the exact reason they are shut off! I was totally shocked, again, when I found out through the newsgroup and support list, that the Developers were deliberately going to make it even harder to migrate information from one very stable version to an even newer update of their version 2.0. Why is it only one person really tried to give me step by step instructions on how to migrate from 1.1.18 to 2.0, for instance? I followed one persons advice, after reassurances it would not damage the older version, and installed 2.0 in its own location, then managed to migrate my bookmarks without any problems, but cannot get the addressbooks nor newsgroups to migrate worth beans, yet that individual who just killfiled me could not recognize he only half stepped in his help to me! Please forward this to him, letting him know I apologize for upsetting statements, but when you are an obviously unwanted low-life USER, like me, you have to expect frustration, especially if that low-life USER also has a Heart problems, and also cannot even breathe properly, all the time! I just have no time for those who have no respect for their fellow man, unless that fellow man is kissing their feet! Bet you thought I was going to say something else, ha ha. :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: John Boyle wrote: [...] All yelling has been deleted, so nothing is left to display! John, do you really have to yell all the time? That you're unnecessarily strident is one thing, but all those caps are annoying! keith whaley To Keith , Leonidas ,et al: I do apologize for the CAPS in my messages... Okay, you're forgiven! g but when I am shocked by attitudes of people who should know better, I will sound off! If you notice, though, I do not use cuss words! Duly noted! Thanks. I have been trying to get the Developers and others to recognize that USERS are NOT Developers, in the main, yet that seems to be the exact reason they are shut off! I was totally shocked, again, when I found out through the newsgroup and support list, that the Developers were deliberately going to make it even harder to migrate information from one very stable version to an even newer update of their version 2.0. Why is it only one person really tried to give me step by step instructions on how to migrate from 1.1.18 to 2.0, for instance? No idea! I followed one persons advice, after reassurances it would not damage the older version, and installed 2.0 in its own location, then managed to migrate my bookmarks without any problems, but cannot get the addressbooks nor newsgroups to migrate worth beans, yet that individual who just killfiled me could not recognize he only half stepped in his help to me! Please forward this to him, letting him know I apologize for upsetting statements, but when you are an obviously unwanted low-life USER, like me, you have to expect frustration, especially if that low-life USER also has a Heart problems, and also cannot even breathe properly, all the time! I just have no time for those who have no respect for their fellow man, unless that fellow man is kissing their feet! Bet you thought I was going to say something else, ha ha. :-\ Oh no! You don't swear, so I expected 'feet'. g You're right. Some folks do not know how to comport themselves in public. Sad... However, try to reduce your anxiety and frustration...that might help your breathing and shortness of breath. I pretty much agree with you, tho' Do take care of your health, and try to not get so excited! We'll take them on and berate their ill-advised comments, as best we can. Later, keith To Keith, Robert Kaiser, Leonidas Jones, et al: First my system is Win XP with sp3, a fairly fast memory and all that other technical stuff. I have decided, in light of the FACT that a LOW-LIFE USER, like me, who needs and needed clearer instructions and understanding than I will ever get from the Developers and their supporters, have DELETED ver 2.0 from my system as it is NOT an upgrade, and the FACT that any upgrades to it will make it even harder to migrate what I do have to it, totally unnecessarily and totally uncalled for! I did keep the download of it, in case someone besides Keith and Peter Potamus and Philip Jones, decides to develop a little bit of true support of all the LOW-LIFES that are called USERS, and maybe even a little bit of a conscience and even show a slight ability to convey instructions to said LOW-LIFE USERS! To make it even clearer, I am NOT upgrading to WIN 7, if I ever do, until sometime in the summer when they truly have a workable OS! Thanks, Keith for your kind words and I wish others would try to HELP more like you and Philip Jones and Peter Potamus, instead of sloughing off us LOW-LIFE USERS as DIRT OR FUNGUS OR SOME SUCH! If, as is predicted by the Developers, it becomes evident that 1.1.18 cannot be migrated to version 2.xxx, because of their drive to make it as complicated as they can, I will then have to switch to IE, HEAVEN FORBID! You see, IE is already paid for as part of my OS, and why I keep banging my head and heart on the likes of some people on this newsgroup or the list, is beyond even my understanding! Except that , UNTIL NOW, Netscape/SeaMonkey has been the better product, despite the snide remarks of the developers to the contrary! I can guarantee you one thing, SeaMonkey is on the verge of LOSING all the LOW-LIFE'S USERS, and going back to being a Developers ONLY program, and that, in fact, has been stated on this newsgroup and the support list, by many, many people who have said ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Now, either the DEVELOPERS get their minds back on the ground and start using Common Sense or they are going to become very lonesome people, very quickly! :-( =developers, :-) =those who have Truely tried to help and listen to all the LOW-Life users! By the way, how did I do this time, Keith? 8-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 7:50 AM, John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!! :o How about this John? Let's say you get home and park your car in the driveway, then go in the house. 10 minutes later, you look out the front window and see a neighbor kid walking past your house. Another 10 minutes later, you go outside and see that one of your tires has been slashed. Did the neighbor kid do it? apples and oranges Unfortunately, your response doesn't surprise me in the least. To Mark Hansen: Unfortunately, the JOHN that you just answered is NOT ME! John Boyle is always displayed in all my messages, or Old Sarge in my signature! So, I now know why so much confusion and irritation has been bandied about!! :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS No, the only thing we really know is that is sometimes doesn't import SeaMonkey 1.x profiles, but we haven't got any information whatsoever that it reproducibly destroyed anything at all (and I ignore your rudeness of writing all-caps messages). Robert Kaiser To Robert Kaiser: Sorry for the ALL Caps, but what I have said has been demonstrated by MANY complaints on both this newsgroups and the support lists! You just have NOT wanted to admit that FACT! :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not leave a last name, but that I do! :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 4:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not leave a last name, but that I do! :-( By the way, I am keeping you both separate. But what has this to do with my post? You (John Boyle) said, as is still shown above, that installing SeaMonkey has been known to destroy all sorts of things. Again I'll ask: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Mark Hansen: YES, when I tried to migrate over my addressbooks, it took part of the old versions file and lost it somewhere in the program, not made clear where, and, that was my basic addressbook! I have had to reconstitute it from a print out that I luckily had made of it!Secondly, it did the same thing to my 'COLLECTED addresses and that I do not know how to get back! So, I reiterate it DOES destroy things, in this case data, and does it so well no one can find it again! Version 2.0 IS JUNK! :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
NoOp wrote: On 12/07/2009 06:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( I also tested 2.x in WinXP and Win2K. And no, I am not a developer, but I do try to test every pre-released version of SM in linux (debian), WinXP, and Win2K. Here is what I suggest: if you have issues (and you obviously do), then start your own thread regarding your specific issues. Skip the caps nonesense and explain in detail the issues you are having; perhaps then someone will try to help you. My response was regarding *John* (not you) claiming that SeaMonkey 2.0 destroyed his itunes files. Do _you_ have itunes files? Where they destroyed by 2.0? If not, then find another thread. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To NoOp: Actually, I thank you for your response, as I did NOT know(sorry about the caps) you did all that testing! No, I do not have Itunes situation, I just have a very serious migration problem in which SM2 managed to somehow import PART of my addressbook and delete it from my version 1.1.18, and then Lose that part! When I uninstalled version 2.0, I found out the damage it had done to my version 1.1.18, but for some reason, I had printed out the information and am in the process of re-constituting that file! NOW, if version 2.0 will mangle that small portion of the 1.1.18 addressbook, what will it do with the rest of it? No, I cannot see what value updating to version 2.0 has whatsoever, and, yes, I am sorry if I let my FRUSTRATION AND BAD HEALTH, spill over into this newsgroup, but I am deeply shocked at the the TOTAL lack of SENSITIVITY and lack of Ability on the part of the developers, in that they cannot see how to help us OBVIOUSLY low-life USERS, better than they do! For instance, there is absolutely NO clearcut instructions on how to migrate anything other than the Bookmarks, and the only person who tried to help me on that, uses a MAC, which is just enough different that it would not work for me! Since you are a tester I have a Windows XP with Sp3 and definitley enough memory and speed, to handle this program with ease, yet cannot get you(generic you, not personal you) to understand the detailed instructions that are needed, to get the job done! This message is aimed at Robert Kaiser, also, since he keeps chiming in about how the work is being done by volunteers, and not understanding someone who cannot read their minds, especially at a distance! I have tried to make it clear that I am a long time user of Netscape and now Seamonkey, because I have thought it a better product than IE, but version 2.0 has become a Total Reversal of that appreciation and, yet, I still get nothing but garbage, I do NOT and NEVER will respond well to ARROGANCE, SARCASM or anything else that smacks of that kind of attitude! Now, if Robert Kaiser or Leonidas Jones or some of the others will get off their high horse and provide encouraging advice, NOT NEGATIVE AS THEY SEEM TO BE doing, with CLEAR CUT INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO OVER COME the lousy migration problems from 1.1.18 to version 2.0, they just might be surprised at the response they would get! But, right now they are heading for disaster and just cannot admit it! I know people I have tried to convert to Seamonkey, but they just will NOT bother, when they find out the attitudes associated with getting help! By the way, I had an even worse experience with LINUX, for 2 years, that I had to wipe out the entire computer and install Win XP, just to get my computer to work at all! Enough for now! :-( :-\ -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 5:45 PM, John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/8/2009 4:20 PM, John Boyle wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 6:16 PM, John Boyle wrote: To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 has destroyed anything? To Mark Hansen: As I have stated elsewhere, there is, NOW, an obvious problem in that there are two John's using this newsgroup, but it can easily be cleared up if people would remember the other John, does not leave a last name, but that I do! :-( By the way, I am keeping you both separate. But what has this to do with my post? You (John Boyle) said, as is still shown above, that installing SeaMonkey has been known to destroy all sorts of things. Again I'll ask: You have evidence that installing SM 2.0 had destroyed anything? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Mark Hansen: YES, when I tried to migrate over my addressbooks, it took part of the old versions file and lost it somewhere in the program, not made clear where, and, that was my basic addressbook! I have had to reconstitute it from a print out that I luckily had made of it!Secondly, it did the same thing to my 'COLLECTED addresses and that I do not know how to get back! So, I reiterate it DOES destroy things, in this case data, and does it so well no one can find it again! Version 2.0 IS JUNK! :-( So, while migrating your address book from your SM 1.1.X profile to SM 2.0, it destroyed your address book in your SM 1.1.X profile? To Mark Hansen: YES, exactly! Luckily, for some reason, I had printed out a copy of the address book and am now in the process of reconstituting it! Now, if the base version 2.0 does that, why are the developers going ahead and making sure migration will NOT work in the future? That is why I have been making ALL the noise that I have, and have been shocked by that attitude! Not only that, but why can't they develop the ability to give detailed instructions, without all the ARROGANCE and sarcasm, to overcome this disaster? One side problem is I do not know how to reconstitute the collected address file! Can you tell me how to do that in version 1.1.18, please? :-( :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
NoOp wrote: On 12/07/2009 05:06 PM, John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18 and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open. That would suggest that there is a problem moving between the two. What does iTunes have to do with SeaMonkey upgrades? ... That is a damn good question why should SM have anything to do with iTunes but, I can tell you that it did totally destroy my iTunes library. It happened before too but, this time I had a backup. No, installing SM 2.0 could not affect your iTunes library, there is something else at work here. Lee Then give me some suggestions, there is nothing in event viewer to suggest that anything other SM2 was running. You were given suggestions in the previous thread that you posted about regarding this. I seem to recall that you never responded, but that would take going back to look I'm not inclined to do that just now. *Nothing* in installing SeaMonkey should or could have affected your itunes library. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To NoOp: And how would you know this, using LINUX? Are you also a SeaMonkey developer? INSTALLING SEAMONKEY 2.0 HAS BEEN KNOWN TO DESTROY ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DOWNLOADED OR HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADED THROUGH IT! After all, what are ALL the complaints that have surfaced been about, if not SM2:-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 5:06 PM, John wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: John wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: John wrote: All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18 and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open. That would suggest that there is a problem moving between the two. What does iTunes have to do with SeaMonkey upgrades? Robert Kaiser That is a damn good question why should SM have anything to do with iTunes but, I can tell you that it did totally destroy my iTunes library. It happened before too but, this time I had a backup. No, installing SM 2.0 could not affect your iTunes library, there is something else at work here. Lee Then give me some suggestions, there is nothing in event viewer to suggest that anything other SM2 was running. So if no one can suggest an alternative, that means it was SM's fault? Sir, once again, your logic escapes me. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Mark Hansen: If he had NO trouble before SM2 , but NOW has trouble since, IT IS VERY CLEAR LOGIC THAT SM2 IS THE PROBLEM!!! HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE, USING LOGIC, THAT IS!!! :o ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Phillip Jones wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 2:01 PM, John wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/7/2009 10:49 AM, John wrote: Apparently migration from 1.18 to 2.0 is not supported either and it (2.0 install) wiped out my iTunes files. What!? Migration from 1.1.18 (I assume that is the release you meant) to 2.0 is not supported? All I can say is that I tried several times to install 2.0 over 1.1.18 and it corrupted my iTunes file and would not open. That would suggest that there is a problem moving between the two. So this means SeaMonkey does not support migration from 1.1.18 to 2.0? Sir, your logic escapes me. No they are talking about there is a Migration assistant to go from 1.1.18 to 2.0, but if you are dumb enough to wait until 2.1 to jump. then you be unable to bring over your files automatically unless you manually do so. What you need to do is download a copy of 2.0 and keep it handy use 1.1.18 until all the big bugs are worked out then use 2.0 to migrate to the 2.x format. Then upgrade to 2.1 and it should work fine. It's a Good thing I switched despite the glaring bugs and oversights and and left out (for no reason) stuff. It would be a heck of a deal to me to move 131 sub directories for one email address and all the filters, and spam filters to move reliably manually. To pjones and newsgroup: Since NONE of the developers/contributers who LOVE SM2 will give detailed instructions on how to migrate email and newsgroups, CLEARLY AND SUCCINCTLY, to all of us who are basically USERS ONLY, then ALL you have put out is wasted entirely! AND I do not mean bits and pieces here and there, either!!! Plus the TOTAL LACK of COMMON SENSE IS SO APPARENT, IT IS NO WONDER PEOPLE ARE IRRITATED AT SM2 AND ALL ITS INCONSISTENCIES AND INCOHERENCE! I have tried to be patient, but you people who just cannot admit you made a mistake releasing THIS MISHMASH TOO EARLY, just have NO CLUE AND COMPLETELY RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT DEVELOPERS, BUT ONLY USERS! YOU ALL ACTUALLY MAKE ME SICK TO MY STOMACHE WITH YOUR ARROGANCE, WHICH I HAD HOPED YOU HAD GOTTEN OVER THAT! :o ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Bill Davidsen wrote: Bush wrote: jim wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:00:14 -0500, Bush e...@elmie.uk in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: Please post in this newsgroup, When a Good working version of seamonkey 2.X is available . 2.0 is real Buggy . It needs to be Marked as BETA Time for me to go back to 1.1.18 The funny thing is, I am running the last beta version of 2.0 in another physical machine, running XP just like my main one, with no problems. (I have sent and received several emails with it, using the server I mentioned a couple messages upthread.) jim I am back to Ver 1.1.18 and no more Beta problems. I'll try again after version 2.5 is released No, you won't. Several people have stated that migration from 1.1.xx to 2.1 and later will not be supported. Jump now or at some late date start SM configuration from scratch. Most machine I have migrated, the lack of support for multiple profiles in migration makes a few simply too time consuming. To ALL: And that is when NO ONE WILL UPGRADE!!! Why is it most SUCCESSFUL software companies make their products BACKWARD COMPATIBLE? :-( This product is free, but still, COMMON SENSE HAD BETTER PREVAIL AND QUICKLY! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
Phillip Jones wrote: question wrote: Is 2.0 a beta ? At this point official no. To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Benoit Renard wrote: John Boyle wrote: My evaluation of 2.0 is that it is somewhat faster as a browser, but, as with all the others, the email and newsgroups stink, still! I did NOT want to even download it, but was persuaded by a couple of people, however, nobody seems to want to tackle the FACT that version 2.0 IS TERRIBLY DEFICIENT IN THE EMAIL AND NEWSGROUPS DEPARTMENTS, as people have been saying, CONSTANTLY, and the developers JUST SIMPLY REFUSE TO LISTEN TO ANY CRITICISM, EVEN IF BASED ON FACT! Please don't confuse Robert Kaiser, the most prominent developer, with the developers. I'm a developer, even if I don't contribute all that often, and I will tell you this: SeaMonkey 2.0's mailnews part is based on a beta version of Thunderbird 3.0. When Thunderbird 3.0 is done, the next release of SeaMonkey 2.0 will incorporate all the fixes, and hopefully be more reliable in that department. To Mr. Renard: Well, I look forward to seeing the change in those 2 Parts, then! I am glad to see that someone DOES listen, after all! I hope you have taken what 1.1.18 has and just improved, if possible, on it by removing what ever problems it has, as re-inventing the wheel when it is NOT needed, only breaks the continuity of the product! :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 is JUNK .
Bush wrote: Bush wrote: Please post in this newsgroup, When a Good working version of seamonkey 2.X is available . 2.0 is real Buggy . It needs to be Marked as BETA Time for me to go back to 1.1.18 I am now back to Seamonkey 1.1.18 ... I uninstalled the Beta version of 2.x To Bush, and newsgroup: I do NOW have version 2.0 but I only use the browser part, and I still have version 1.1.18 which I do my email and newsgroups on! My evaluation of 2.0 is that it is somewhat faster as a browser, but, as with all the others, the email and newsgroups stink, still! I did NOT want to even download it, but was persuaded by a couple of people, however, nobody seems to want to tackle the FACT that version 2.0 IS TERRIBLY DEFICIENT IN THE EMAIL AND NEWSGROUPS DEPARTMENTS, as people have been saying, CONSTANTLY, and the developers JUST SIMPLY REFUSE TO LISTEN TO ANY CRITICISM, EVEN IF BASED ON FACT! I do CONGRATULATE the developers on speeding up the Browser, NOW ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS GET THE OTHER 2/3 of version up to at least version 1.1.18 USABILITY STANDARDS! BECAUSE OF EGO'S, I DOUBT THAT WILL *EVER* HAPPEN! :-( People ARE BETTER OFF WITH VERSION 1.1.18, IF THEY WANT TOTAL USABILITY AS A SUITE, THAT IS! :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Have downloaded and installed SM2 as advised by Leonidas Jones
To Leonidas Jones: I reluctantly tried again and installed SM2 to the default you mentioned. No, it did not take over my version 1.1.18 per se, but it DID take over the SeaMonkey Icon on my desktop! So I have to go through my Start button, click on Internet and my SeaMonkey 1.1.18 comes up fully functional! So, I have bitten the bullet, now I need to know how do I manually move Bookmarks, email and newsgroups to SM2,or should I wait until the first fix comes out next month? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Multiple user/passwords
Phillip Jones wrote: BeeNeR wrote: On or about 11/11/2009 9:57 PM, Hartmut Figge typed the following: BeeNeR: Neither yours or George Carden's solution works for me. The page I use multiple log-ins on is http://www.mail.com/ I have a couple of e-mail addresses that I use and I no longer get the drop down selection choice. Maybe a case of autocomplete=off? https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password Hartmut I don't think so since it does complete if I only enter the first letter. ie if I have two users starting with 'e' and I enter 'e' a drop down box appears with both users that start with 'e'. In 1.x versions I didn't have to enter anything. If I clicked on the user entry box I received a dropdown box with ALL users no matter what the spelling and I could click on the user I wanted. And BTW: anyone using username/passwords for Banks or CC companies shoul be using a Master password and have encryption turned on. This include even in your own house. To Newsgroup: Does one HAVE to use passwords at all? That is the basic question I have. If so, is there any good guidelines as to which to apply them to , outside of the obvious one of banks? O:-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 does not launch
Bernard Mercier wrote: Sandalin a formulé la demande : I successfully installed SM2, but unforunately it does not launch or more exactly as i see in the task manager, it launches (does not open any window) and immediately closes. Tried to uninstall, re-download, re-install, all the same. Win XP SP3 PLEASE HELP !!! Not enough memory? Wrong Browser! -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is Quick Launch?
Leonidas Jones wrote: cciaffone wrote: In sm1 it was in Preferencesadvanced Can't find it in sm 2 It no longer exists, as it hasn't in Firefox for some time. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Leonidas: For once a serious question. Why did they remove the Quick Launch, in either Browser? What is the benefit of doing so? :-\ -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Where To Install SM2..
Leonidas Jones wrote: JD wrote: I'm currently running SM 1.1.18 but install all my programs on my D drive. Yes, I'm one of those people. 1.1.18 is installed at: D:\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey When I go to install SM 2, it wants to install in: C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\ Can I install 2 in: D:\SeaMonkey2 and leave my older version alone? It works so good for me and I'm seeing the thread Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2 by David E Ross and nr's reply having the same problem and just like David I don't use IE for anything but MS updates. Houston, do we have a problem? Well, most people are installing with no problem, but it is brand new software,so there are bound to be some glitches. First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of each other. Therefore, you can select a custom install, and place the program wherever you like. If something goes wrong, you can always run SM 1.1.x, and fix the 2.0 install at your convenience. Most likely, nothing will go wrong. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey To Leonidas Jones: You did not see the movie WestWorld , Obviously! In the World of Computers, things OFTEN GO WRONG, GO WRONG, GO WRONG :-( -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unsubscribe me from Lists.mozilla.org!
Ray_Net wrote: gNeandr wrote: Don't only trust in God .. or other's to solve your situation. Here you are in the fine position to help yourself: just open the account settings and delete the account for 'news.mozilla.com' to delete all of it ... or to un-subscribe a specific newsgroup, on the account listing use the context menu for that group and just un-subscribe that single one. Hope it helps - The Lord bless thee and keep thee [12.10.2009 02:59]»John Boyle« wrote: -- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! Are you sure about your suggestion, he will not unsubscibe something from 'news.mozilla.com' but from 'lists.mozilla.org' - This looks like he don't use a newsreader for reading the posts, but the posts goes into in mailreader. This unsubscribe was in error, anyway! Sorry! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Unsubscribe me from Lists.mozilla.org!
-- Old Sarge-John Boyle IN GOD WE TRUST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Beta 2 Completes New Feature Set
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Mr. Kaiser et al: This does sound like a well thought out combination, and I hope it works as predicted! Which combination are you talking about there? Robert Kaiser To Mr. Kaiser: A further note on the development of SM2, how far down the pike is a Linux version going to be available? Some people I know are trying to get me back into Linux, but, as yet I am not sure of which distro would be no more frustrating than WINDOWS, nor what will be available as browser or word processor for them! :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
What Anti-Spam software is best as an add-on to SeaMonkey?
To anyone: I am aware of what an anti-spam software does, but was wanting to know what works best with SeaMonkey, NOW, and what will work best when 2.0 is released: I am aware of 2 programs , by name, but not sure how well they would work with SeaMonkey: one is Incredimail with Spam protection for $39 a year, and the other is an add-on itself to EScan, a virus protection program! I am asking this on this forum, because I would like to make sure whatever I get is compatible with SeaMonkey ,NOW and Later!? Any help would be appreciated, and, if a spam protection is being built into SeaMonkey, that would be good to know, also!??? :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
The Sunbird Calendar, will it be upgraded along with Seamonkey?
To whom it may concern: It has occurred to me that nobody is mentioning what will happen to the Sunbird calendar program! I am wondering if it will be integrated into SeaMonkey 2, or kept as a standalone, and if it is being upgraded, also? O:-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 Released
Robert Kaiser wrote: Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#1.1.17 I've noticed that the bouncer behind http://releases.mozilla.org/ has directed me to a server that holds just binaries for 1.1.15 and ahead. Since the last update for es-ES langpack was for 1.1.14, no es-ES langpack is available through releases.mozilla.org. The link in the Releases page of seamonkey-project.org works OK, I think because it points directly to ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/ The releases module is always trimmed to the last bunch of releases so that a large number of mirrors can easily sync it in a timely manner. I get informed of those trims and adjust URLs accordingly. Since we have a link in our localization site to the langpack, would it be polite if I change the URL to ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/ too? I could link to our own local copy, but I think it is better if mozilla.org / Seamonkey Council can have as much metrics as possible of downloads. We don't get metrics from direct ftp.m.o downloads, but we prefer linking there as those servers are highly reliable and well-checked for problems. Robert Kaiser To ALL: I did manage to download ver. 1.1.17, but had to make 3 different trys at it! Seems the arrow of the download is NOT the one to click on to do so, nor the far left button, only the words of the download phrase worked! I do not remember it being that much trouble, before! :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser: What if theThunderbird developers cannot get their act together, until Christmas? :-\ Then Thunderbird is dead anyways, a number of people get laid off from Mozilla Messaging, and we will continue without them. From what I see going on there though, I don't think that will happen. The patch that has been pushing out their Beta 3 (and our Beta 1) is finally nearly ready to land from what I see - it may just match the download manager switch on our side in the time it goes in, and then we are both ready for a beta. :) Both projects probably can need another, shorter, beta cycle after that, which for us will probably mean pulling in a few more things from Thunderbird development, like a version of that improved search capability they are adding for Beta 3 (yes, that's the patch that pushed it out). Robert Kaiser To Robert Kaiser: I thank you for the information and , ironically, look forward to your final product for this time around! :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2
Robert Kaiser wrote: Gerald Ross wrote: Haven't heard any discussion about SM2 lately. I'm ready anytime. Before anyone gets their feathers ruffled, I'm not nagging or rushing anybody. Just wondering. We need stable mail/news code to base our release on, and those parts are largely in control of the Thunderbird team. As they have been pushing out their Thunderbird 3 release recently, the same happened to the mail/news stabilization points, which means that we need to postpone the SeaMonkey 2 release as well. I hope we will have better estimations in terms of dates soon, but a first Beta release of SeaMonkey 2 should be available within a few weeks, the final release sometime this summer. Robert Kaiser To Robert Kaiser: What if theThunderbird developers cannot get their act together, until Christmas? :-\ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: When we need to instantly search drives...
JR WG wrote: RE: When we need to truly instantly search our drive(s) for SeaMonkey and other files... And you don't have a small footprint (344KB or so) HDD indexer tool to use for the lightning-fast searches to locate directory(s), files, certain suffixed or certain spelled files, parts of names, etc. Strongly suggest visit: http://www.voidtools.com/ Search Everything (aka Everything to some) is phenomenal, well done, caring programmer, NO ad-ware / nagware / nasties, and did I mention that it's still no charge ? Currently in both installable and portable version: Everything-1.2.1.371.exe (334 KB) OR Everything-1.2.1.371.zip (portable, 272 KB) And SOMEWHERE, did I mention that it's still no charge, yet donations accepted and the programmer deserves it. Joe To ALL: Using the above mentioned program, I was able to find actually 5 Drafts file folders, including two .msf files! However, trying to use Windows XP Search function, it said there were NO such files! Ridiculous isn't it? In fact, Win XP Search fails to find most any file I ask for, which makes no sense whatsoever! Now I know why I cannot find even the Seamonkey Profile, Win XP refuses to admit it exists! Yet, I have a fully functional Seamonkey program, it is beginning to dawn on me that maybe Seamonkey or the Mozilla group could make a better Operating System than anything MSFT could even dream of! Mr. Kaiser, has anyone on your team even fantasized about doing so? Isn't there someway of Reverse engineering Windows XP or whatever you wanted to base it on and make a better and less vulnerable OS? :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Your Turkey hunting trip!
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Roy: How did you do with your Turkey hunting? Have you got your Thanksgiving Turkey all taken care of? I just traded in my older shotgun for a new Benelli but have not shot it yet! Hope to go to Tacoma Sportsman's Club :-) on Sunday and just see what it will do! yikes Better not upset this guy or he'll blow our brains out! :-) :-D To Peter Potamus: I only plan on shooting Skeet and trap, but, as I said, somehow I sent this to the wrong address! :-[ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Your Turkey hunting trip!
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Roy: How did you do with your Turkey hunting? Have you got your Thanksgiving Turkey all taken care of? I just traded in my older shotgun for a new Benelli but have not shot it yet! Hope to go to Tacoma Sportsman's Club :-) on Sunday and just see what it will do! yikes Better not upset this guy or he'll blow our brains out! :-) :-D To all: Sorry, wrong website!! :-[ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Your Turkey hunting trip!
To Roy: How did you do with your Turkey hunting? Have you got your Thanksgiving Turkey all taken care of? I just traded in my older shotgun for a new Benelli but have not shot it yet! Hope to go to Tacoma Sportsman's Club :-) on Sunday and just see what it will do! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What are watch commercials doing on Seamonkey newsgroup?
Michael Gordon wrote: John Boyle replied On 4/8/2009 6:04 PM To anyone: I just opened my Seamonkey newsgroup and what did I find? At least 3 Watch commercials! What the heck is going on? Yet, you people will NOT allow someone to delete a message that is totally unnecessary to what the newsgroup is all about! Where is the sense in that, please tell me? John, The Google gmail Spam Scumbags have found us an easy target. They found my web site contact page and began sending tons of Spam Messages, so I created a message filter to send all gmail domain messages into the trash can. If someone really wants to contact me through gmail they can use my official Google gmail account address. It is too bad the folks who are so adamant about real users of this group cannot monitor the Spam messages as tightly as they do regular members. Michael To Michael Gordon,et al: Someone on the web management team noticed and made them deletable from that end! :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
What are watch commercials doing on Seamonkey newsgroup?
To anyone: I just opened my Seamonkey newsgroup and what did I find? At least 3 Watch commercials! What the heck is going on? Yet, you people will NOT allow someone to delete a message that is totally unnecessary to what the newsgroup is all about! Where is the sense in that, please tell me? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Delete Local Folders?
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: John Doue wrote: Tom Pamin wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 04.04.2009 11:01, Tom Pamin wrote: --- Original Message --- Chris Ilias wrote: On 4/4/09 11:35 AM, Tom Pamin wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 4/4/09 11:20 AM, Tom Pamin wrote: What's the easiest way to delete Local Folders? They're driving me nuts. I fiinally did get them to go away following instructions on the web, but they keep coming back. I don't think I'm editing about:config correctly. Yes, but it's not recommended. See http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/mailnewsfaq/LocalFolders. I've tried that - no luck. Just to note: The instructions say to edit prefs.js, not about:config. When you say I don't think I'm editing about:config correctly, were you referring to those instructions? The instructions also mention about:config at the beginning. Also be aware that if you create a new account, it will contain Local Folders. I finally got it to stay gone by repeating the instructions several more times. Just a suggestion. I went through those hoops a long time ago, while I was still using Netscape and it took me a long time to get this to work to my liking. Eventually, I decided to live with those controversial local Folders. As bookmarks in FF 3.xx today, Local Folders were then a very popular topic; lots of people did not understand why they are there, and as is the case for bookmarks in FF 3.xx today, others easily got offended when users remarked on the complexity. I eventually decided to use Local Folders as a storage place for my Email Archives. This way, my archives are never far away when I need them, but they are not in the way when I don't need them, which is 99% of the time. Getting rid of Local Folders is satisfying, sure, but making the best use of them is probably a wiser course of action. My experience at least! Regards removing local folders may cause problems down the road, as other things may require them. For example, newsgroups use the local folders To Peter Potamus: This string struck a memory chord: At one time I was trying to find out how to get rid of a particular pair of Local Folders, not the whole thing. I never succeeded in finding the file folder mentioned as for some reason my lovely Win XP kept telling me there WAS no such folder to edit or eliminate, so I gave up trying. The excess Draft Folders are a nuisance, but the third Draft Folder is actually the active one, and, rather than eliminate the wrong folder, I just ignore the excess folders! So, I want to ask if there will be a way with the new Seamonkey to eliminate those two folders, without eliminating the third and usable one :-[ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Print Preview freezes on Office Depot's Web site?
Ray_Net wrote: JAS wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Ant wrote: Hi! I was viewing http://www.officedepot.com/catalog/txtSearchDD.do?jopa=s5SHQCC0IOOaUna7xLgXh3Unorefinement=truesearchTxt=Logitech+Z-2300# and wanted to print preview from the Web page (not Print link). Both SeaMonkey v1.1.14 and Firefox v2.0.0.20 froze. Is anyone else seeing this too? Thank you in advance. :) hell yes as others have said, and I will say too, there is no problem with FF 3. SM 1.1.x is based on the old FF 2 coding, therefore, there are some website coding that will not work in old FF/SM coding -- for example php. I will go out on a hunch and say that SM2 should work, as its based on FF3 coding. I use Seamonkey 1.1.4 and it works fine with the print preview. Install Seamonkey 1.1.14 and you will have the problem. To All: There could also be a problem with Office Depot's site itself, as they are experiencing financially caused shrinking problems! :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: its baaaack!
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Gus Richter wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: for those who are wondering, but the news server aioe is back up and running again. NOTE: if you get an error message, then delete the newsgroups you have, refresh the list, and re-subscribe to them. ANOTHER NOTE: some groups may have been removed so you need to contact aioe and ask for their return. I dropped aioe and have been running motzarella and albasani for a while now. I'm starting to think that I'll end up with albasani only only due to every-now-and-then delay and differences. Will run both for another month or so and decide permanently then. I've got all 3 just in case one of them stops working, like aoie did To Peter Potamus: What the heck is aoie and where does one get it to look at it? Come to think of it, what are motzarella and albasani, also? I have never heard of any of them! :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM as Default Browser
Daniel wrote: John Boyle wrote: Daniel wrote: John Boyle wrote: Andrea wrote: I recently upgraded Firefox to version 3.0.5, but I want to keep SM as my default browser. For some reason, my computer thinks that Firefox is the default--and both browsers are set that way. I don't know why Firefox is set that way because I didn't purposely do it, but I want to change it. (It's NOT checked off in Firefox Tools, Options, System Default.) I tried setting SM as default in the control panel settings (Add/Remove Programs, Set Program Access and Defaults), but once I OK out and then open it up again, the setting isn't saved. I tried rebooting, but that didn't help. I'm using Windows XP, SP3 with SeaMonkey 1.1.14. Help. This has become a war between dueling Mozilla browsers. Andrea To All: Why did Seamonkey switch the sender and subject column order? Now, it seems, that all my email and newsgroups have sender first and then subject! Not that I cannot live with it, but I would like to know why? =-O John, I don't know why it happened but you are aware that you can drag them to any order you wish, aren't you?? To Daniel: I am now aware that I can drag them into any order I want, due to another persons email, not as a list subject, but I do not know how. Please tell me? :-) John, using your mouse, point at the word sender at the top of the column. Click and hold down the left mouse button. With the button held down, move the mouse to where you want the sender heading to be. Do likewise for the other column headings, as needed! HTH To Daniel: Worked just fine, sorry I am so forgetful, and I do not remember changing it to the other way, either! Oh well, senior moment, I guess! :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM as Default Browser
Andrea wrote: I recently upgraded Firefox to version 3.0.5, but I want to keep SM as my default browser. For some reason, my computer thinks that Firefox is the default--and both browsers are set that way. I don't know why Firefox is set that way because I didn't purposely do it, but I want to change it. (It's NOT checked off in Firefox Tools, Options, System Default.) I tried setting SM as default in the control panel settings (Add/Remove Programs, Set Program Access and Defaults), but once I OK out and then open it up again, the setting isn't saved. I tried rebooting, but that didn't help. I'm using Windows XP, SP3 with SeaMonkey 1.1.14. Help. This has become a war between dueling Mozilla browsers. Andrea To All: Why did Seamonkey switch the sender and subject column order? Now, it seems, that all my email and newsgroups have sender first and then subject! Not that I cannot live with it, but I would like to know why? =-O -- Old Sarge-John Boyle ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM as Default Browser
Daniel wrote: John Boyle wrote: Andrea wrote: I recently upgraded Firefox to version 3.0.5, but I want to keep SM as my default browser. For some reason, my computer thinks that Firefox is the default--and both browsers are set that way. I don't know why Firefox is set that way because I didn't purposely do it, but I want to change it. (It's NOT checked off in Firefox Tools, Options, System Default.) I tried setting SM as default in the control panel settings (Add/Remove Programs, Set Program Access and Defaults), but once I OK out and then open it up again, the setting isn't saved. I tried rebooting, but that didn't help. I'm using Windows XP, SP3 with SeaMonkey 1.1.14. Help. This has become a war between dueling Mozilla browsers. Andrea To All: Why did Seamonkey switch the sender and subject column order? Now, it seems, that all my email and newsgroups have sender first and then subject! Not that I cannot live with it, but I would like to know why? =-O John, I don't know why it happened but you are aware that you can drag them to any order you wish, aren't you?? To Daniel: I am now aware that I can drag them into any order I want, due to another persons email, not as a list subject, but I do not know how. Please tell me? :-) -- Old Sarge-John Boyle ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey profile manager not loading
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Boyle wrote: To Robert Kaiser: One question and NO COMMENT: How close is SM2 to being finished, for final evaluation? :-\ We will be doing another alpha and a beta before final, so a final SeaMonkey 2 can be expected in the second quarter of 2009. Robert Kaiser To Robert Kaiser: Thank you! :-) -- Old Sarge-John Boyle ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
