Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.7 released!
WaltS48 wrote: So you don't know what a Blog & News Feed account is, and don't know how to set one up? I have a "Seamonkey feeds - Blogs and News feeds" section. I have a couple things setup. I don't recall why I never made more use of it. Email is just so easy, and it threads so well. And I prefer lists that work like .io rather than the Mozilla.org list. In .io the default reply is to the list. In lists like Mozilla.org I regularly replied to the sender rather than the list by mistake. Ray Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.7 released!
WaltS48 wrote: On 3/31/21 9:32 PM, Ray Davison wrote: Edmund Wong wrote: Greetings, A new era will be upon us when we finally find a new place to post this So why not seamonkey-supp...@groups.io? Ray Forgot to mention in my other reply that I see SeaMonkey release announcements in the Planet Mozilla Projects news feed in my Blogs & News Feeds account. Let me know if you need help setting up an account and subscribing to the feed. Planet Mozilla Projects <https://planet.mozilla.org/projects/> An email list like groups.io is "push" - it lands in my inbox without me doing anything. Blogs and forums are "pull". I need to go to them to see if anything has changed. Life is too short for that. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.7 released!
Edmund Wong wrote: Greetings, A new era will be upon us when we finally find a new place to post this So why not seamonkey-supp...@groups.io? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
Bret Busby wrote: On 29/3/21 5:58 am, Ray Davison wrote: https://groups.io/g/mozilla currently lists only 20 members. I consider .io a better system. Mozilla mozi...@groups.io My names Bob Edenhofer, and I'm the owner of this list! this list is for the purpose of discussing the on going development, of mozilla products, sutch as thunderbird, firefox, and SeaMonkey, whitch is an internet and email client, all built into one! The rules are as follows! 1! there's absolutely no profanity on here, whatsoever! 2! there's absolutely no bad mouthing mozilla and their products! 3! if you know that a message is off topic? Then don't post it, because you'll clutter my list, with unnecessary traffic! 4! if someone posts a message, and you don't know the answer? Then don't post a message saying you don't know, because you'll clutter my list, with unnecessary traffic! 5! I signed up to become a developer for mozilla, and I'm also a developer for NVAccess, the company that makes the free open source screenreader, NVDA for the blind and visually impaired! 6! If anyone violates my rules and regulations, that I set forth on this list, you's are automaticly, banned! no questions asked! I'm also totally blind as well! Are you the list administrator of the list on which this message is posted, or, are you the list administrator of the groups.io list that you cited? I just pasted the introduction, which contains the owner's ID. We don't need any Mozilla org to provide us a place to share Mozilla info. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
https://groups.io/g/mozilla currently lists only 20 members. I consider .io a better system. Mozilla mozi...@groups.io My names Bob Edenhofer, and I'm the owner of this list! this list is for the purpose of discussing the on going development, of mozilla products, sutch as thunderbird, firefox, and SeaMonkey, whitch is an internet and email client, all built into one! The rules are as follows! 1! there's absolutely no profanity on here, whatsoever! 2! there's absolutely no bad mouthing mozilla and their products! 3! if you know that a message is off topic? Then don't post it, because you'll clutter my list, with unnecessary traffic! 4! if someone posts a message, and you don't know the answer? Then don't post a message saying you don't know, because you'll clutter my list, with unnecessary traffic! 5! I signed up to become a developer for mozilla, and I'm also a developer for NVAccess, the company that makes the free open source screenreader, NVDA for the blind and visually impaired! 6! If anyone violates my rules and regulations, that I set forth on this list, you's are automaticly, banned! no questions asked! I'm also totally blind as well! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: WINDOWS 10 UPGRADE WITH SEAMONKEY V 2.33.1
BER wrote: Hello, Please see my email below. I have decided to upgrade to Windows 10. Will Version 2.33.1 work with Windows 10 and should I be able to upgrade to the latest version of Seamonkey? Thank you Brenda Yes SM suns on W 10. However, starting with Netscape, I have never caused or allowed any Mozilla app to write over another version. Newer is not always better, and combining versions can sometimes be "interesting" I install each version in it's own space, at a place of my choosing. And never on a boot partition. And when I decide I prefer a later version to an earlier, I delete the earlier; and not before. I have had some issues with recent versions. As a result I currently have eight SM versions and two Pale Moon. Some SM versions share a profile and some have their own. All SM versions that I configure to access email all use the same mail files. Mozilla apps are very friendly in how they can be managed. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I can't install any version of Seamonkey after 2.49.4
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: Not so simple. Dropping back from 2.49.5 to 2.49.4 is no problem, that's one reason I asked what level he was using. Dropping back from 2.53.whatever (or similar) *is* a problem because 2.53.x converts part of the config to a new format when you first run it and that breaks things if you fall back. You need to save the profile before first running the higher level and restore it when falling back. You work too hard. You can have as many versions of SM and as many profiles as you wish. You can have "old' versions of SM and "new" versions. When you run an old version, chose the old profile. When you run a new version, chose the new profile. And if you sometime decide you like the new better than the old, then delete the old. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Change of Topic ... Wildcards Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine
Daniel wrote: So, if I had my profile at H:\here\there\anywhere\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Seamonkey\Profiles would the %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey command locate my Profile?? Putting profiles anywhere you want is easy and does not require editing any existing files. It helps if you understand sub-directories, and work in them rather than the Win overlay "folders". Create a sub-directory, anywhere Win has access, give it any name you chose that is valid and compatible with surrounding files. Put none, part, or all of an existing profile in the new sub-directory. Create a new or edit an existing shortcut so that the target is in the form of; "Y:\SM2495\seamonkey.exe -Profilemanager". Run the shortcut. SM will open to profile manager. Select "create profile". Pause and study each page. Profile manager is going to suggest a default type profile in the default location. Scrap that. Enter the name you wish to show on your profile menu. Lead SM to where you created the new sub-directory. When you finish, a profile menu will appear, with your new profile. Run that profile. SM will create whatever it needs for that version. If in your new profile you put an entire profile from a previous version, SM will just update it. If you left the new profile empty, SM will create a complete profile. If you just put a few files, maybe passwords, SM will use what it can and create the rest. By having SM always open to profile manager, you can add an new version along side the old, and keep the old until you decide you like the new better. And you can have as many profiles as you chose. I always have several test profiles. That way if I want to try something I an not concerned about breaking a working profile. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine
NFN Smith wrote: If you copy the entire Seamonkey folder before you start Seamonkey for the first time, then the Profile Manager won't try to create a new default profile. And, if you run any Mozilla app, even the first time, with the "-Profilemanager" switch, you will always have your choice of profile, the it will NEVER try to create a new profile, unless you tell it to. And you will never need to say "I lost my mail, passwords,,,". Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine
NFN Smith wrote: My bad. The correct is profiles.ini (plural). I was working quickly and I always forget whether there's an "s" there or not. There definitely is. I did not know how it was spelled because I have moved profiles between computers and between OS/2 and Win, and was never concerned about the contents. For backup I copy to another partition on the same computer frequently and occasionally to another computer. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine
NFN Smith wrote: (even just one, because the names of profile folders are deliberately cryptic). Is "cryptic" supposed to hide them from somebody? If you put them all together in a tree with your choice of names and location, you won't need to go looking for them. And then a desktop shortcut to a batch file makes periodic backup trivial. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine
Ray Davison wrote: Jonathan N. Little wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Wonder WHY there is no profile.ini file on the Win 7 machine ! ? By default it is in the %APPDATA%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey directory I currently have six SM profiles. I just searched five partitions where a SM "profile.ini" could be located. I found only one, which had nothing to do with SM. I do find a "profiles.ini" in each profile. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Transfer SM files from Win 7 to Win 10 machine
Jonathan N. Little wrote: DoctorBill wrote: Wonder WHY there is no profile.ini file on the Win 7 machine ! ? By default it is in the %APPDATA%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey directory I currently have six SM profiles. I just searched five partitions where a SM "profile.ini" could be located. I found only one, which had nothing to do with SM. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Blocking spam
CC D via support-seamonkey wrote: How do I block email addresses from unwanted spam. When I get these emails I hit the spam button but they keep coming back. In the early days of email, we quickly found that trying to filter spam would have you constantly in reactive mode. So I flipped the process. I get a couple hundred messages per day. I filter the stuff I want to read. When I find I am getting something from one sender that has me having to dig it out of the junk, and maybe missing it, I create a filter for it. So I have a tree of filters and sub-filters that has just grown over time. And I am able to prioritize how it is organized. So I scan the tree top to bottom. Whenever a filter gets a new message it sets a flag, so I only need to open the filters that have flags set. That leaves the inbox with mostly junk - which I can dispense with quickly, and all the filters have almost only stuff I want - once in a while a piece of junk will get into a filter, but it is rare. And, the stuff I want is in an organized structure. For instance, all news sources are sub-filters under a news filter, and I can place that high or low in the tree depending how quickly I want to review it. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: about:config can I delete some entries
Danny Kile wrote: About:config can I delete some entries? The preferred way to make a new entry is to create a USER.JS file. That way you can add anything you want without any fear of damage to PREFS.JS. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Need to Save My Password
Danny Kile wrote: Some time in the past I was login into a web site and SM asked me if I wanted to save my Login User/Name and Password. Declined at the time, however, I would like SM to save my UserName/Password how do I get SM to ask me gain? Have you logged in to the same site since. I would expect SM to offer to save the login info every time until you agree to save. When I have a password that has problems, I delete it, and then log in to the site and get a fresh copy saved. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How not to loose data ---Broken record alert
Everything natural and man made is subject to breaking. And if every part of a system is in one container, failure of one part threatens the utility of the entire system. There used to be "console" home entertainment systems. Because of the difficulty of replacing or upgrading one part, component systems replaced the console concept. If all computer software is in one "bucket", trying to repair, work around, upgrade an OS, apps, or data, is more difficult - and sometimes scary - than if different types are partitioned off so as to reduce the effect they have on each other. I am doing this message on a laptop. The partitions are; two Win7, Apps, Data, and two Storage. If an OS has an issue I can boot the other. I can replace an OS and use the existing apps. Here the primary subject is Mozilla. The apps are in the Apps partition, and profiles and mail are in their own separate trees on the Data partition. I can add or replace a SM version and have the new use the existing profile. To the degree that they are compatible, different versions can all use the same profile. There was a time that I made serious use of OS/2. I had OS/2 SM and Win SM using the same, literal profile files. My primary profile began life in Netscape. That includes all it's data; mail, bookmarks, passwords. At some point there started being calls such as "I lost my mail". My primary mail account has grown to about a hundred filters. I filter the stuff I want to read, and that leaves the Inbox as mostly all of the incoming junk, and easy to dispose of. EXE install programs have a tendency to try to "freshen" everything. And that sometimes results in a blank profile, and "lost" data. Look at the screen shot linked below. I currently have nine SM versions on the HDD. Clicking any one of those run objects calls the profile manager. Whatever SM version I selected can then then select any one of those profiles - each profile is dedicated to one or more SM versions. All the listed profiles either use the same mail files, or a new blank file. I will delete most of those versions as I determine I no longer intend to use them. https://photos.app.goo.gl/kGqMk5fA8YUR6PkJ7 Since it is possible for one SM version to make unwanted changes to a profile maintained by another version, before running a version that might cause an issue I run the profile backup routine shown below. Repair is just delete/copy the backup back to the primary location. This scheme also provides for multiple users the to use the same computer and app, but with their own profile. My mail has never been "lost". Ray *** ProfileBak del /s I:\Profiles\FF\cache2\entries\*.* del /s I:\Profiles\Moz2X\cache2\entries\*.* del /s I:\Profiles\Moz2XNoMail\cache2\entries\*.* del /s I:\Profiles\Moz2XNoMailTest\cache2\entries\*.* del /s I:\Profiles\Moz2-3X\cache2\entries\*.* del /s I:\Profiles\Moz2-3XTest\cache2\entries\*.* if not exist K:\Profiles md K:\Profiles xcopy /s/y/d I:\Profiles K:\Profiles MailBak del /s I:\Data\cache2\entries\*.* if not exist K:\Data md K:\Data xcopy /s/y/d I:\Data K:\Data ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ctrl-D window size
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: I don't know whether those aspects of the behaviour have changed, and the text changed accordingly, or whether it's always been that way and the text just updated to more accurately reflect what it does. It does, however, make the "Cancel" button somewhat pointless and misleading, when any changes are already applied anyway, and remain after clicking "Cancel"... I just tried to check the actions. Ctrl-D presented a bookmark title I could edit. I then highlighted folder A, and then B, and then clicked cancel. The bookmark was placed in B. The window is tilted "Edit". Editing is often a messy operation with many changes and sometimes cancellations. And in any system I can think of, "Save" is required to be a deliberate act. This "Edit" function just put an entry where I did not want it, just because I touched an object. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ctrl-D window size
EE wrote:
This is the code I used:
/* Increase size/height of the expanded bookmarks panel */
#editBookmarkPanel {
min-width: 360px !important; min-height: 550px !important;}
#editBMPanel_folderTree {
min-width:360px !important; min-height:580px !important;}
#bookmarkproperties, #places {
min-width:800px !important; min-height:850px !important;}
TY. By the time I read your reply I had used the example in
https://support.mozilla.org/bm/questions/1208178.
I now have
#editBookmarkPanel { min-width: 500px !important;min-height: 750px
!important;}
It appears the function of Ctrl-D has not changed. The heading has
changed from "New Bookmark", to "Edit this bookmark". Which is really
Edit this Bookmark title. It used to show the actual link which it
called Location, but not in the current version. And, what used to be
"Save" is now "Done". Changing New to Edit and Save to Done has made
those functions labels less intuitive.
But it may allow me to move on.
TY all
Ray
___
support-seamonkey mailing list
support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ctrl-D window size
Dirk Fieldhouse wrote: On 26/01/2021 19:12, Ray Davison wrote: ... > That answers my where question, now how? Your entire question was actually answered in my posts of 12/1 and 13/1. Have another look -- follow the link in the 1st post for a userChrome.css example, or install the extension mentioned in the 2nd post. Regarding your 12/1, I think I was running thru things too fast and missed the link. I will try what is discussed there. Your 13/1, I got lost at "Classic Add-on Archive enabled". Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ctrl-D window size
EE wrote: Ray Davison wrote: If the above is true, then somewhere the size and location are hard coded. Therefore size and position are editable. Where and how? I changed the size of the bookmarks panel and the bookmarks manager window with code in a userChrome.css file. That answers my where question, now how? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey
David H. Durgee wrote: I have no problem using the Chase web site as long as I tell them I am Firefox 68 via the User Agent option of PrefBar. They are the only site I use regularly that requires me to pretend to be other than SeaMonkey, although others complain about using an "unsupported" browser. This from the Pref Bar site. Is there an option? "⚠ Please be aware, that PrefBar is no longer maintained! It is not recommend to install any of these versions! They most probably don't work well with current versions of SeaMonkey and they won't install at all on Firefox 57 and above! " Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey
Lemuel Johnson via support-seamonkey wrote: On 1/25/2021 12:36 PM, Ray Davison wrote: I cannot use SM at Chase. Chase works for me with: general.useragent.override.chase.com: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:81.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/81.0 Every few months I have to update the "rv" and "Firefox" levels. I pasted that into user.js, and Chase seems to work. If I swap chase for some other bank's domain should that one stop complaining about unsupported? TY Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey
no...@nonospam.org wrote: JavaScript is part of the problem. If I turn it off, the pages load partially and the browser doesn't lock up. But the pages don't format correctly and the site doesn't work as it should. I looked at an ice cream offering and stopped there. Link something that "doesn't work as it should" and I will see if I get the same result. And what is "don't format correctly". They seemed to look and work OK. But don't think I am unconditionally defending SM. I cannot use SM at Chase. And on one site I went thru the complete buy process but the final button ignored me. I had to run FF to complete the order. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey
Ray Davison wrote: no...@nonospam.org wrote: Here it opens to a very busy script. Other than that it looks like a normal site. But that is SM 2.49.5 under Win7. And based on what I have seen of "updates", I will be using both of them until they die. The site seems OK on FF. No busy script. In SM I closed the script and the site seems to work. A box called the script "unresponsive". As I keep saying, newer is not always better. OSs and apps, I install the new alongside the old, and do not get rid of the old until I am convinced I like the new better. I have a bunch of newer versions of SM on the HDD, and each has several profiles to play with. But I have not seen anything to make me change. I have a couple laptops that came with WX. I added W7. They spend most of their time on the shelf. I play with them once in a while. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: An important site that doesn't work with SeaMonkey
no...@nonospam.org wrote: Here it opens to a very busy script. Other than that it looks like a normal site. But that is SM 2.49.5 under Win7. And based on what I have seen of "updates", I will be using both of them until they die. The site seems OK on FF. No busy script. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ctrl-D window size
Ray Davison wrote: Is this window what any/every one is seeing? https://photos.app.goo.gl/dWt8x6whc8v9z2RQ9 I have taken another look at Ctrl-D. It used to provide a dedicated new bookmark window to capture a bookmark for whatever is in the open tab. It provided that function very well. Now it calls itself edit, and tries to do everything in a small, fixed window. No thank you. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ctrl-D window size
Is this window what any/every one is seeing? https://photos.app.goo.gl/dWt8x6whc8v9z2RQ9 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ctrl-D window size
Dirk Fieldhouse wrote: On 12/01/2021 01:45, Ray Davison wrote: I have 2.35.5 with a fresh profile. The only change I have made is to import a bookmark file. This is the Ctrl-D window I get. I can neither resize nor move it. https://photos.app.goo.gl/dWt8x6whc8v9z2RQ9 ... Have a look at this <https://support.mozilla.org/bm/questions/1208178>. That refers to an EDIT function in FF. I seldom use FF and have never edited bookmarks in FF. I just went to FF and added a bookmark. The window is small and non-movable or sizeable. I edited the bookmark in a window that is both movable and sizable. Both those functions in FF seem "clunkly" compared to SM. Editing is, and has never been an issue in SM, and neither was add until recently. But FF did provide a clue, that maybe there is a somewhat user friendly way to edit size of a fixed window in SM. Better would be to make it a standard window. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ctrl-D window size
Daniel wrote: Ray, not directly answering your query, but as a possible work-around, if you select Bookmarks -> Manage Bookmarks (Ctrl-B) can you get full screen?? That has always worked, but is a different function. I have no issue MANAGING bookmarks. Ctrl-D is a add bookmark function. Ctrl-B gets a CREATE function. That means more windows and cut-and-paste, and hope. I have found Ctrl-D does a better job adding than I can do manually. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Ctrl-D window size
I have 2.35.5 with a fresh profile. The only change I have made is to import a bookmark file. This is the Ctrl-D window I get. I can neither resize nor move it. https://photos.app.goo.gl/dWt8x6whc8v9z2RQ9 It was suggested that is the default size, and is designed to be no-sizable or movable. Is that true? If so isn't that a unique window? If the above is true, then somewhere the size and location are hard coded. Therefore size and position are editable. Where and how? Actually the previous version was a bit strange. I could re-size horizontal but it was full screen height and I could not shrink it vertically; I could move it down off-screen, but could not move it up to get a cursor under it. But I needed the height so I didn't mind. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sites you may not be able to access
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: The app Parlor has apparently seen a dramatic increase in downloads. It is something porn-related. The ACLU concern was for the "little guy". Namely, someone like Trump could build or buy an alternate means of communicating. The doctor who got banned for talking like a doctor has little or no option. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sites you may not be able to access
Samuel S wrote: Yet, as many Americans use "Freedom of Speech" is incorrect, as the First and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution is referencing that Our Government shall not restrict and has no application to private entities, as much as many would prefer to apply it to. The social media companies are not Government, but they are Government protected. Therefore they are only semi-private. They have entered the realm of public utility. And that invokes the realm of discrimination. So either make them as libel as everyone else, or make them not discriminate. There is also the area of monopoly and antitrust, but I have varied opinions regarding those. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sites you may not be able to access
WaltS48 wrote: Twitter, Amazon, Google and others are not the government. I can ban you from my platform if I choose, or filter your posts to trash. I think that discussion is in mozilla.general. Please read the subject again. It has nothing to do with "can ban". There are people trying to reach these sites and do not know why they cannot. They don't know why they cannot communicate like they have been able to. It is not like they got a memo "take your business elsewhere". And Apple and Google have banned the Parler phone apps. OK I did include a free speech note, but even the ACLU has come down against this case. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email cross talk?
Ray Davison wrote: Ray Davison wrote: Would unsubscribing the newsgroup help? I just unsubscribed the newsgroup. Creating a new thread did not get the strange reply. Never mind, it did NOT help. I neglected to close and reopen. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email cross talk?
Ray Davison wrote: Would unsubscribing the newsgroup help? I just unsubscribed the newsgroup. Creating a new thread did not get the strange reply. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Sites you may not be able to access
I get a news letter from a doctor. Twitter banned him because he described his experience treating people with CCP virus. He moved to Parler and took 28K followers with him. Now Twitter has banned Trump. Trump moved to Parler. Parler used Amazon servers. Amazon has banned Parler. Free speech anyone? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email cross talk?
WaltS48 wrote: That's why you don't use real email addresses in newsgroups. I work this list from email. I tend to forget that I am also subscribed to the newsgroup. I don't recall why I subscribed to both, possibly has to do with difficulty sending email from the road. I think that may have gotten fixed. Would unsubscribing the newsgroup help? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser: Save and Close
David E. Ross wrote: For the preference variable browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs, the following values apply: 0: For each WINDOW, only restore the open, selected tab. a positive number: Restore that number of tabs concurrently. any negative number: Restore all tabs concurrently. So as set, all tabs should be restored. The effect I am getting is as if sometimes I clicked "Save and Close", and sometimes mistakenly clicked "Close". I could conceive of doing that rarely, but not as frequently as it actually happens. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email cross talk?
Ray Davison wrote: Server cross talk? I just clicked send on the opening message of this thread, and an identical reply as the one referenced appeared in my inbox. The only difference being the new reply has a single "re" whereas the previous had "re re". Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Email cross talk?
I got a kinda spooky email. The subject is: "Re: Re: Browser: Save and Close". That is the subject of a thread I started recently. It is to: "ray...@charter.net". On this list, if you just click "reply", a message is sent to "from", not the list. So everything seems normal up to this point. But, the "from" is: "pr...@ocasiocortez.com" And the body is an apparently machine generated message: "Hi there, Thanks very much for your message, and for reaching out to the campaign office of Representative Ocasio-Cortez! . . . Thank you again for reaching out, and we hope to be able to connect with you soon!" Yes, our favorite greenie, who wants to ban both cows and airplanes, for the same reason: they emit gas. Server cross talk? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser: Save and Close
David E. Ross wrote: If you have multiple tabs open, the number of tabs that can be restored concurrently is controlled by the preference variable browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs which has the default value of 3. -1 For me, saving occurs as controlled by browser.sessionstore.interval while SeaMokey is still active. I seem not to have a "Save and Close" capability. What does the -1 do? You get "Save and close" from Edit > Prefs > tabbed browsing > warn me when closing a window with multiple tabs. https://photos.app.goo.gl/wjp9mZg16fW7iw5r8 Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser: Save and Close
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
I posted a few thoughts just over an hour after your original post.
I did not respond because we did not seem to be on the same subject.
And I am beginning to see why.
Another possibility is that you mentioned in another thread ("32 bit vs
64 bit SeaMonkey") that you run multiple SeaMonkey versions using the
same profile. This is the kind of strange issue which could conceivably
be caused by doing that, if the format in which sessions are saved
changes between versions.
My point on that thread was, that there was a time when I could do that
with impunity because things were not changed "quietly" that caused an
issue.
Here is what I get from the X in the upper right corner, which has
always been the standard way to close any Windows "window".
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wjp9mZg16fW7iw5r8
I'll play some more.
Ray
___
support-seamonkey mailing list
support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser: Save and Close
David E. Ross wrote: Browser sessions are saved according to the preference variable browser.sessionstore.interval which has the default value of 15000. The units are milliseconds; thus the default is 15 seconds. 1500 If you have multiple tabs open, the number of tabs that can be restored concurrently is controlled by the preference variable browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs which has the default value of 3. -1 However, the maximum number of tabs that can be restored is controlled by the preference variable browser.sessionstore.max_tabs_undo which has the default value of 10. 10 You might want to examine those three preference variables via about:config You might be terminating when you opened tabs later than the most recent save. Also look at preference variables browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash true and browser.sessionstore.resume_session_once If the first has the value "false" (not the default "true"), restoring after a crash is blocked. If the second has the value "true" (not the default "false"), the first restore of a session prevents later restores of the same session. false Everything is default except that -1. Does upper right corner "Close" > "Save and close", save anything when clicked, or does it only save what some background process has already saved. At the next app run, it saved all or nothing. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser: Save and Close
WaltS48 wrote: Your original post didn't mention that you had multiple tabs open. As far as I know save only works when there is more than one tab open, so I didn't see any reason to mention it. Apparently no one has anything to offer on the subject? And it is probably not a good feature to depend on anyway. So for a while I will just leave a couple blank pages open and see if I can detect a correlation. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser: Save and Close
WaltS48 wrote: Yes, it is "Save and Close" on Windows when I have multiple tabs open in the browser window. Yes, TY, we know what it is supposed to do. And we are back to my original plost. Now why does it only save sometimes? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser: Save and Close
WaltS48 wrote: I get "Save and Quit" when using File > Quit and have more than one tab open. Is that what you are doing? No. Upper right corner: "Close". Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Browser: Save and Close
Browser: Save and Close Sometimes it saves and sometimes not. I have yet to determine a pattern/correlation. Does not seem to be version specific. Any ideas? TY Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No access to Acronis site
Cecil Bankston wrote: When I try to access Acronis.com or its sections with SeaMonkey I get a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable page. I use NoScript, but I have allowed all scripts on the site. I have to use Edge to view the site. I just logged in to my account. But, I got a 503 on a second tab when I tried to read the new "Terms". ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Ray Davison wrote: Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: As Mark suggested, - uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential) - install the 64-bit version If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and reinstall the 32-bit versions. You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have space for. I currently have ten. You *can* do that, provided you just unpack them from zip distributions and don't install using the .exe installer. Since the first Netscape I have used nothing but ZIP distros. And that includes SM, FF, TB, and all the derivatives. Anyone with enough interest to get to this list has the ability to copy and rename the contents of a ZIP. That way, you can put them anywhere you want, and name them anything you want If you currently have a 32 version and want to try a 64 version, give the 64 a copy of the 32 profile, it will do to it whatever is necessary, give the 64 a run object/shortcut, and you can run one, close it and run the other one, and see any differences, chose the one to keep. See "no-mail" below. "New" is not always better, sometimes it is broken. I don't get rid of the old until I have decided I prefer the new. Well, it might work given certain caveats, but switching back and forth between versions with a single profile is asking for trouble. No, I am asking for information. And Mozilla products provide the means to investigate and never have "trouble". > Most of the advice in the release notes is there for good reason. When you get the same boilerplate warning on every release, with little detail, you stop reading. How about an up front list of new "traps" introduced in that version? I completely missed the "notice" that bookmarks would be effected. If you want to ignore the advice offered in the release notes and here (including by those involved in the development, which I'm not) that's up to you. But if you run into strange issues you could be on your own when it comes to fixing them. "Fixing" a busted profile is nothing more than replacing it with one that works. A simple batch file makes it trivial. But I have a good file manager so I haven't bothered to create a recover batch file. But I do have batch files to back up Profiles and mail - separately. Running my SM currently opens to a profile menu containing three choices. One is the profile that I only use with the current working version. If anything happens to it I can replace it in a few seconds. And since it points to mail rather than containing it, breaking it does not effect mail files. The second I call no-mail. I have a hundred filters and sub-filters, and sometimes I might be doing something that would cause new mail to be routed to someplace I don't want it. The third profile I call test. It is a throwaway, I don't care if it gets "damaged". I can currently use that one for any of the ten versions, and they all run well enough to do what I want at that time - which currently is trying to get anything past 2.49.5 to display ctrl-D properly. So my current "test" profile has no addons. Netscape may have given us the most user friendly program ever. I just hope it stays that way. So, while we have it, be brave, look under the covers a little. Ray PS One thing we had but lost was the bookmarks pointer that allowed us to easily store bookmarks in a "safe" neutral location. Yes, I can recover bookmarks, but protecting them is even better. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 32 bit vs 64 bit SeaMonkey
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: As Mark suggested, - uninstall the 32-bit version (this is essential) - install the 64-bit version If you need to go back then you will have to uninstall the 64-bit and reinstall the 32-bit versions. You can have as many versions of SM available on the HDD as you have space for. I currently have ten. And, you can run them all from the same profile or each from it's own. The only caveat is, some versions alter the profile so that it does not have the same information as the previous and so the previous version might not work as expected with a later profile. This is more an issue now than in the past. When SM went from 1X to 2X it was done "out loud", so we knew not to mix 1X and 2X. And, it was done at a major break. Back then I once ran twenty versions from the same profile while searching for the date and time of a bug insertion, with no issues. Now those changes are done "quietly". However, depending on what test run you are doing the change may not matter. But if you want to run several versions from the same profile and not get bit by changes, it is easy to create a batch file to delete the profile and replace it from an archive. A later version will make whatever changes it needs to a previous profile. That includes missing pieces. So you can give SM a piece of a profile and it will create the rest. Oh yea, you do need to get the profile(s) away from he app and off somewhere in neutral territory and then point to them. And, if you get mail files off in a third location, they will be protected from damage or loss. And then a couple more batch files will easily back up profiles and mail to other locations making the whole thing bomb proof. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: MozBackup-1.5.2 & SeaMonkey
Mr. Ed via support-seamonkey wrote: Anyone still using "MozBackup-1.5.2-beta1-EN" for back up in the 2.50.x SeaMonkey's? A long time ago, when storage space was expensive, it might have been reasonable to compress backups. But now that storage space is cheap, why have a backup that you need to unpack to read or copy? For profiles and mail I use XCOPY new files - no, I do not run with profiles and mail in the same tree, so they are also backed up to their own trees. I clone entire partitions and HDDs to other HDDs so they are usable without any processing - yes, that includes boot partitions from multiple OSs. And none of this cares what version of anything is used. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: how do i backup my profile
Jim wrote: How do I do that? I want to keep my emails, bookmarks, and passwords intact. I have been using the two bat files below for several years. I have run objects on the desktop, and I just poke them once in a while. MozProfiles is profiles and WebData is mail. Oh yea, you do need to get profiles and mail away from the app and OS, then when you replace the app or OS profiles and mail don't change. Ray del /s X:\WebData\cache2 del /s X:\MozProfiles\RayFF\cache2 if not exist Y:\MozProfiles md Y:\MozProfiles xcopy /s/y/d X:\MozProfiles Y:\MozProfiles * del /s X:\WebData\cache2 if not exist Y:\WebData md Y:\WebData xcopy /s/y/d X:\WebData Y:\WebData ** ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.4 released!
WaltS48 wrote: There is no 2.5.x version. OK, 2.5X. Well, there may be an old 2.5.x version. I think that message may be there in case users want to go back to the 2.49.5 version. The 2.53.x series is a current version. It says "previous version". 2.53.3 is a previous version of 2.53.4. if you have set a master password, My master password is the lock on the door. "If you have a SeaMonkey 2.53.1 or 2.53.2 language pack installed you need to remove it before upgrading to this version. I don't do language packs. Anything else, besides the bookmark thing, which I don't actually understand? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.4 released!
Edmund Wong wrote: Greetings, The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.53.4 final. "This version makes changes to your profile that can't be reverted in case you want to go back to a previous version of SeaMonkey." Is every profile now going to be forth digit version specific??? I got all the way thru 1X without needing to maintain a profile archive, and thru 2X until 2.5. Not friendly. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Setting Default Profile
David E. Ross wrote: Is there a command-line option that I can add to my shortcut that I use to launch SeaMonkey that forces my preferred profile to be the default? Make the shortcut target the for of : H:\SM\seamonkey.exe -Profilemanager And select the profile you want for that session. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seeking replacement for Firefox... considering Seamonkey
Bob wrote: I've used Seamonkey in the past, and really liked the way I could work on my 'personal' website with the software. I stopped using it when it was declared "obsolete" a few years ago. I am being forced to abandon Firefox, which I've been using for around 15 years now (and really liked, until the later iterations). I work from home, and absolutely CANNOT have software automatically install updates and force me to shut down (without being able to access another website to alert people). I've tried all of the tricks I could find to prevent automatic installation of updates, but nothing has worked, and I do NOT want to loose my job because of the programmers refusing to listen to reason. (1): Can I LOCK OUT automatic installation of updates? I MUST be able to choose when updating happens. (2): How up-to-date is Seamonkey kept? I already have strong security on my system, but need to avoid security holes. (3) How easy is it now to migrate Bookmarks, passwords, and so on? (4): "Bonus" question - is the composer still part of Seamonkey? I started using internet apps first in OS/2 then Win, now mostly Win. Linux has never presented it self as the solution to any problem I have. I use the suite for most everything and FF sites where SM doesn't work. I have had Pale Moon linked to Fossa, but am not currently using them. The composer works. I have over a hundred filters. I don't know what "old" or "supported" has to do with anything. Since Netscape 1.0 I have never "installed" any Netscape derivative using anything but ZIP distros. The suite has never offered or tried to "update" for me. FF offers and I just tell it no. I add newer versions alongside the previous and if I decide I like the newer better I delete the older. Yes, I know to be aware of bookmark issues. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why I am still at 2.49.5
EE wrote: Nuno Silva wrote: By any chance, did you set privacy.resist.fingerprinting to true? I had a problem with window sizes and also a weird unchangeable user-agent with that setting. I had to change it to false. SM 2.53.3 privacy.resist.fingerprinting is default: false. Ctrl-D is kinda unusable. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why I am still at 2.49.5
Nuno Silva wrote: https://photos.app.goo.gl/DzS3F7wST8xFsyWE9 Just to rule out extensions, can you check if this also happens (in 2.53.x) if you start SeaMonkey in SeaMonkey's safe mode? I added one pic; 2.53.3 safe mode. I now have a window that seems to have all the parts, but is very small both directions. I cannot move or resize it. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Why I am still at 2.49.5
Ctrl-D window is truncated on the right edge. Below is a link to several pics. Click on any one to get scroll arrows which are hidden until you get a cursor near them. Click the i in a circle to get info which is the version number. https://photos.app.goo.gl/DzS3F7wST8xFsyWE9 Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updates
Ken Rudolph wrote: After all these years (since Netscape 1.0) I've always been scared in the past when I had to manually do a SeaMonkey version update. Since Netscape 1.0 I have never "updated" any of the related apps. I get the profiles to a neutral location - preferably a different partition, unzip the new app version, and try it. If I like it better than the previous, I delete the previous. Once when searching for the date/time of a bug insertion I had 20 versions of SM all on the HDD and using the same profile. HOWEVER, when SM went from 1X to 2X there was great fanfare; "don't try to use a 2X profile with a 1X app". Now such changes are rather quiet and easy to miss. I currently have 6 recent SM, I know there are profile issues, so they are off in "trash space", and my primary SM is not effected. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What's the highest memory usage you have seen from your seamonkey.exe in Windows?
Ant wrote: In any case I recommend NoScript 5.19 and latest uBlock classic (legacy). I will have to check out NoScript. Why no uBlock Origin instead of classic? I deleted Adblock Plus and added uBlock Origin. I think things are better, but I cannot put numbers on it. White listing seems easier. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Adblock
David E. Ross wrote: AdBlock or AdBlock Plus? There is a difference. ABP https://adblockplus.org/en/ Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Adblock
At some point Adblock shower up on SM. I never asked for it. I have not determined how to white list a site. What I have reports as version 2.6.6, 13Nov2014. Attempts to download a fresh copy always land me on a site to download FF. Ideas? TY Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Large memory usage by email ... or is SM in general?
flyguy wrote: Windows 10, SM 2.49.4 Task Manager showed SM using 32% memory with email and one browser window open. W7U64 4G RAM, SM 2.49.5 Fresh boot SM browser one empty tab: 300MB SM RAM SM browser still open and mail open and downloading mail: 800MB SM RAM SM browser still open and mail open and mail settled: 500MB SM RAM Is that a lot? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Password manager New, Edit, Clone
Password manager New, Edit, Clone I have the built in plus the Saved Passwords add-on. It seems to me that a long time ago at least one or more of those functions did work. For a long time now, "New" is a active button, but there doesn't seem to be any code behind it. It just clicks, and nothing. Edit and Clone are greyed out. Is this thing supposed to work? TY Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Reply to who or what?
Most of the email lists I subscribe to, "reply" goes to the list. But on a few - like this one - it goes only to the person that posted the message being replied to. So I reply and wonder why it didn't post. So I use "reply all" and delete the person and leave the list address. On one list it was explained as a function of the list server and to live with it. Is that as good as it gets? TY Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I suppose I'm not the first to ask this
Daniel wrote: Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 17/04/2020 5:01 PM: DoctorBill wrote: How, in God's name, can I TURN OFF those 푰풅풊풐풕풊풄 Google Animations ! ? DoctorBill https://duckduckgo.com/ Doctor Bill, Don is suggesting that you don't use Google but that you set your Internet Search Engine (Edit->Preferences->Browser->Internet Search) to use DuckDuckGo! Dr Robert Epstein has a system for determining the bias of search engines. He rates Google biased enough to move election votes. He found Bing and Yahoo not biased. No mention of DuckDuckGo. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I suppose I'm not the first to ask this
Daniel wrote: Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 17/04/2020 5:01 PM: DoctorBill wrote: How, in God's name, can I TURN OFF those 푰풅풊풐풕풊풄 Google Animations ! ? DoctorBill https://duckduckgo.com/ Doctor Bill, Don is suggesting that you don't use Google but that you set your Internet Search Engine (Edit->Preferences->Browser->Internet Search) to use DuckDuckGo! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.53.1 and SM 2.49.5
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: I wish we chould have retained compatibility for XP I can understand how you might have been in a hurry to get off an answer to the initial question, but if you had slowed down long enough to say it was a WXP issue, some of us would have gotten an important piece of information, and I would not have said anything. I understand that when the Mozilla parent became the child, SM became an orphan. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.53.1 and SM 2.49.5
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: No his answer is from a parallel universe where all this works. If 2.49.5 sees the 2.53 places.sqlite it will move it to places.sqlite.corrupt and restore bookmarks from the latest json backup. All history is gone then. favicon storing changed in Firefox / Gecko 55 and caused this change. Indexdb starage is also incomapatible and so on. FRG OK, you got me. You loose bookmarks. And you are probably right about the "parallel universe". I have been using my primary profile. I deleted everything that looked like it was saving things for "just in case" including the storage sub-directory. Ran 2.53.1. Copied that profile to WXP 2.49.5. The bookmarks didn't make it. And, all this has made my point about changing things "under the covers", quietly, and making it appear that nothing has changed. I have never blindly followed an "upgrade path", on OSs or apps. Many upgrades aren't. I install the new along side the old, run the new as as close as possible with the old data. And, if at some point I prefer the new, and no longer see a need for the old, I delete the old. That is why I now have seven SM plus PM and FM. And right now they all have negatives for me. Failure I think I am prepared for. I am not accustomed to having to look for tricks to make the old look like the new. And it increases my support for separating things so they are easier to manage and recover. Which I will discuss again elsewhere. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.53.1 and SM 2.49.5
xxyyz wrote: I have SM 2.49.5 32 bit on WXP and 64 bit on W7, and have been synching them by copying the Mozilla folders (C:\Documents and Settings\username\Mozilla on WXP, C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming \Mozilla on W7) to and fro, with no problems. If I put SM 2.53.1 64 bit on the W7 machine, will I still be able to do this? The short answer is; absolutely. My PC "cubical" has three desktops and one laptop, and I have recently setup three other laptops. And, since the first DrDOS every machine has had at least two OSs. Currently the laptops have two each and the desktops each have five. So I was able to do exactly what you asked. I did not have a WXP with SM 2.49.5. So I copied the 2.49.5 app tree from a laptop to the WXP box. Then I did a newer-file-only copy of the profile tree and the mail tree from the laptop to the WXP box. BTW, that newer-file-only copy to another box is my backup system. I opened the WXP 2.49.5 sub-directory, and copied the run object/shortcut to the WXP desktop. I than ran the 2.49.5 shortcut on the WXP box. I looked at the bookmarks and passwords and ran a link off the history. SM 2.49.5 on WXP now has the same data as 2.53.1 on the laptop. My "Welcome to Netscape" email is dated 2June97. I have always considered NS/Moz/SM a very friendly app. Some don't seem to like sharing. Where I have two Win partitions they share both the app and data. For several years I had OS/2 and Win with their own app versions but sharing profiles and mail. I am a little concerned with 2.53.1. In the past the only time I needed to be concerned with sharing data was when we went from 1X to 2X. And they made a big deal of it, and bumped the version a whole number. And I would never install one SM version over another, especially after they say it is too different to share a profile with a previous version. The only clue I have about issues with 2.53.1 is something to do with master passwords. Since my master password is the lock on the door I tried several recent versions with the same profile. On one machine I currently have things that call themselves 2.49.5, 2.50, 2.53.3b1, 2.53.1, and 2.57a1. Some are WG9. I ran back and forth thru them at least twice. Only 2.57a1 had issues. All you need to manage SM is a little knowledge of sub-directory structure and copy. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Your passwords are still in the profile 2.49.5 If you get the profiles out of the app, then there is then no such thing as a "2.49.5" profile. There are many reasons for multiple profiles. You can then have as many profiles as you want and pick the one you want when you run the app. And there are reasons for a single profile for multiple app versions. One time, when looking for the date and time of a bug insertion I was using the same profile for twenty versions of SM, all loaded on the HDD side-by-side. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help! Lost all passwords after upgradimng to Version 2.49.5
Dr.J.Elz-Fianda via support-seamonkey wrote: Dear experts, I have lost all stored passwords. Broken record alert! This is a companion to the "I lost my email" cry. The fix is, get the profile(s) away from the app, to a neutral place, on another partition. You can put them any place and name them anything you chose. My files began life in Netscape, and I have never "lost" them. I have posted how to do this many times, maybe I should post it somewhere and just point to it. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Still Can't Get Fox News
Larry S. wrote: Still get the message "You don't have permission to access Fox News on this server". Any thoughts on what to do now? I tried changing cookies to "Session Only", didn't work. I tried changing my UA string to read Firefox 72.0.1, didn't work. Your UA: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 My UA: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Seems to be the same. I am running W7U64 I have no issue logging in to https://www.foxnews.com/ So one would expect you to have no issue, but you do. So, membership issue? I'll see if I can try a computer that Fox does not have identified. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.53.1 file bookmark
WaltS48 via support-seamonkey wrote: The Ctrl-D function in recent SM, WG9 and Pale Moon are all unusable but not for all the same reason. Someone apparently decided to "improve" things. Ray Not seeing a problem with Ctrl+D here using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1. Will try on Win10 tomorrow. This is under W7. Do you see that the "Save" button is moved and is now "Done"? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.53.1 file bookmark
Ray Davison wrote: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1 Build identifier: 20191229191834 Ctrl-D (file bookmark) opens with the window truncated on the right side. Unable to streach it to normal. Add button is cut off and so unavailable, show stopper. Anyone else? Ctrl-D is apparently being altered. I was willing to except what I am seeing as a local video artifact. However, a local artifact could not move the save button and change it's name to "Done". The Ctrl-D function in recent SM, WG9 and Pale Moon are all unusable but not for all the same reason. Someone apparently decided to "improve" things. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What happens next?
MRoss-GMX wrote: Many People are not knowledgeable enough to download nor install Seamonkey, and are lazy anyway. My suggestion is anyone who wants to use SM learn three things; Sub-Directory Unzip Rename That makes everything controllable and predictable. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.49.5 TaxAct failed to file
Sometimes what SM will not do is very subtle. I completed all the work for 2019 tax, but then the app stuck on "saving". I completed the filing from FF. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Best Way Backing Up - Advice ?
NFN Smith wrote: Even if doing this kind of thing is technically possible, I'm assuming that you're using POP, and in that, really pushing beyond the design expectations of what POP can (or even should) do. The better approach is to use IMAP, where all your mail traffic is on a server, and not stored locally. My first computer input, after punch cards, was marking up a printed green line report, and handing it over a Dutch door and then waiting a few days for the updated report. Then we got dumb terminals. Then personal computers. To me, cloud storage and computing is going back to dumb terminals. I display personal things in the cloud, I don't store anything personal there. I have one IMAP account that I am trying to get to work only because I am trying to get Charter to send mail when I am on the road. I have been using Gmail as the outgoing server. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 64 bit SM 2.49.5
Ray Davison wrote: To maintain them separately. Mail changes often, the profiles less so. I have separate bat files to backup profiles and mail. And, it allows you to use the same mail in multiple profiles. You may have a test profile where you want to use the same mail. You may have his and hers profiles that use the same computer and apps and want to share one mail account. Etc, etc, etc Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 64 bit SM 2.49.5
Daniel wrote: Now do one more thing. Get mail out of the profile and into a separate tree on G:. Ray Why do you recommend doing that, Ray?? To maintain them separately. Mail changes often, the profiles less so. I have separate bat files to backup profiles and mail. And how often has someone said "I lost my mail". If it is in it's own tree you will probably never loose mail because Win doesn't know where it is and so cannot effect it. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Best Way Backing Up - Advice ?
NFN Smith wrote: DoctorBill wrote: What makes backups more difficult with Windows the Registry. With Mac and Linux, you can simply copy everything. With Windows, it's difficult to back up the registry and files and then reproduce a working system. As a result, it's essential to use a backup tool. Since Netscape, I have used copy and xcopy to backup profiles and mail - I have always put mail in a separate tree. I also had Win and OS/2 use the same profile and data files. I kept them on FAT32 so both Win and OS/2 could access them. You say the Win registry is the issue. It has never been an issue here. Maybe because I have never used an exe installer. I just unzip to a place and name of my choice, and create a run object/shortcut. Try it, you might like it. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Best Way Backing Up - Advice ?
DoctorBill wrote: If you Back Up your system, which program is the Easiest and Most Reliable when it comes to RESTORING the system - for someone NOT a computer Professional.like me. I backup on two levels. I keep data out of the boot partition and backup data with COPY, or sometimes XCOPY such as this: xcopy /s/y/d X:\Profiles Y:\Profiles For boot partition backup I use DfSee. That does a bit-for-bit clone - I don't care for "images". My backups I can read and write to. DfSee can clone a partition or complete HDD. All my desktop machines have all HDDs as front panel plug-in. And all OSs are on one HDD and apps and data are on another HDD. If I loose an OS I can swap the OS HDD and the apps and data do not know the difference. And if I loose an apps or data partition I can swap that HDD and the OSs do not know the difference. The typical Win box has everything in one C partition, which in now over a TB in size. It is like buying a home appliance; loose one transistor and you loose the entire unit. But if you break it into pieces you can maintain the pieces individually. If you are on this list it implies you are willing to try to put the "personal" back into PC. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 64 bit SM 2.49.5
Daniel wrote: Or better yet. do not have profiles on either the boot or app partitions. If app, profile and mail are in three separate locations life is much more simple and safe. Ray You reading my minds, Ray?? Win7 OS on C:\, Executable programs on F:\ and Profile on G:\ myself!! Now do one more thing. Get mail out of the profile and into a separate tree on G:. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 64 bit SM 2.49.5
Daniel wrote: JAS wrote on 10/02/2020 1:26 PM: Ray Davison wrote: Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: If you just run the zipped version no harm done. So just run the ZIP versions. I have never used an installer, and that goes back to Netscape. Then you can put it anyplace you want and with any name. Preferably NOT on a boot partition. The Win partition gets cluttered too much already. Ray Thanks for all the replies and I am going to uninstall the 32 bit and install the 64 bit, Thanks, JAS Safety first, JAS, back-up your profile just in case!! Or better yet. do not have profiles on either the boot or app partitions. If app, profile and mail are in three separate locations life is much more simple and safe. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 64 bit SM 2.49.5
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: If you just run the zipped version no harm done. So just run the ZIP versions. I have never used an installer, and that goes back to Netscape. Then you can put it anyplace you want and with any name. Preferably NOT on a boot partition. The Win partition gets cluttered too much already. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profile protection
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: I just tried a few WG9S versions. That cost me my bookmarks file. But I always backup before trying anything new, so no loss, just nuisance. If a recent 2.53 cost you your bookmarks you have other problems. Read again. It was a WG9S. Downgrading 2.53 will also kill the bookmarks db and is 100% unspupported. I have been bouncing between various versions since early SM 1X. I currently have six 2X versions on the HDD. The only issue I have been aware of is the 1X-2X transition. Are you saying that once I run 2.53 I cannot run anything lower? Bookarks will be recreated from a backup but if these are bad too the bookmarks are gone. I don't depend on Mozilla to recover data. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Walmart.com Not Loading
Thomas Pamin wrote: Using SM 2.49.5. Walmart.com does not load any longer and I can't sign in anymore. I cleared cookies, etc. Using Edge I have no problems. Should I move to SM 2.53 now for this problem? I have used Walmart online for some time. Now in SM 2.49.5 the site does not recognize me. Attempting to create an account gets me into a captcha loop that gets a green arrow, and then starts over. Site works OK with existing log-in info in FF7X. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Profile protection
Chasing my bookmark issue has reminded me of another issue. Some versions of SM and some "protect you" utilities will destroy some or all of your profile. That is why a few years ago I created run object on the desktop for a batch file to copy all recent files from all profiles to a rarely used storage partition. I just tried a few WG9S versions. That cost me my bookmarks file. But I always backup before trying anything new, so no loss, just nuisance. Buyer beware, and never "update" over a functioning app or OS. Install the new alongside the old and only delete the old when you are convinced the new is better. Auto update is a monster waiting to bite you. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.53.1b1 file bookmark
Chris Ilias wrote: To start in SeaMonkey Safe Mode, just go to Help-->Restart_with_Add-ons_Disabled. Did that. Ctrl-D got a window that seemed to be complete. I was short top to bottom and I could not expand it. In the lower right corner was a button that I am accustomed to being labeled "Save", but it was labeled Done or some such. Add-ons manager shows five extensions and no plugins. I disabled all extensions, and Ctrl-D was as I first reported; truncated on right. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.53.1b1 file bookmark
Hartmut Figge wrote: I deleted xulstore.json. That resulted in SM 2.49.5 having he same problem. I restored the profile and got 2.49.5 OK again. Did you try safe mode and a new test profile? Those are the standard ways for problems. Starting with Netscape, I don't recall ever running anything called safe mode, tho I am familiar with the term. SM help "safe mode" yields nothing. Is there a run switch for safe mode? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.53.1b1 file bookmark
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Never seen it in Windows. Delete xulstore.json.from you profile and see if it gets better. Also try safe mode or a new test profile to make sure it is not add-on or theme related (if you use a third party one). I deleted xulstore.json. That resulted in SM 2.49.5 having he same problem. I restored the profile and got 2.49.5 OK again. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.53.1b1 file bookmark
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Never seen it in Windows. Delete xulstore.json.from you profile and see if it gets better. Also try safe mode or a new test profile to make sure it is not add-on or theme related (if you use a third party one). I deleted xulstore.json. That resulted in SM 2.49.5 having he same problem. I restored the profile and got 2.49.5 OK again. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.53.1b1 file bookmark
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1 Build identifier: 20191229191834 Ctrl-D (file bookmark) opens with the window truncated on the right side. Unable to streach it to normal. Add button is cut off and so unavailable, show stopper. Anyone else? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Setting up an out-going filter
Daniel wrote: All outgoing messages to the E-S server go into a Folder under Local Directories. I thought UseNet was an cloud forum. Are you reading and replying to messages from within SM? Ray Yes, from with-in SM Mail & *NEWS* screen via a News account (similar to a mail account, but different) to connect to an account I have on Eternal-September.com Server. If I could be bothered, I could set up an news account with Goggle-Groups to read UseNet posts ... but who could be bothered!! ;-) Mechanically, I have been doing what you want to do since Netscape. I currently have six email accounts with each having it's own incoming email address, and six news accounts which all use one of the six email account addresses, but could each have a different incoming email address. And each of those top accounts have sub accounts and often sub-sub accounts. And to file incoming mail within those top accounts I have over one hundred filters. I don't try to filter out junk, that is a never ending reaction process. I filter out what I want to keep and the result is that my inbox is mostly junk and easy to process. I have never used "Local Folders" for anything. Within SM I don't make any functional distinction between email and news. The look and feel is the same for both. If you have 75 news folders, and want to selectively put a copy of all outgoing mail and news in three sent folders, all you need to do is have three email addresses. One email address for Operating Systems (Win7 & Linux) One for T.V. show And a third for the rest So the 75 accounts come in to three top accounts, and the 75 are divided to one of your three email address based top accounts. And sent messages go to a folder based on the same incoming email address. Your SM will then have the same format as mine, except you will have three top accounts where I have six. If you don't already have three email addresses, it will require getting two more. And you will need to assign the portion of the 75 news accounts that you want to go to the other two accounts. That is, update the accounts at their source to the new email address. It is just some busy work. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Setting up an out-going filter
Daniel wrote: What is your current setup in SM mail regarding UseNet? Do you have 75 newsgroups set up in SM mail? Ray Yeap, something like that, in a separate (UseNet) account, using Eternal-September.org server. All outgoing messages to the E-S server go into a Folder under Local Directories. I thought UseNet was an cloud forum. Are you reading and replying to messages from within SM? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Setting up an out-going filter
Daniel wrote: Ray Davison wrote on 13/01/2020 11:50 AM: Daniel wrote: If I were really worried, yes, I could do that, but ... hey, you guys can see my OP, so, IMHO, not worth the worry/trouble!! Do you have View > Sort by > Date, Threaded and Descending? Order Received, Threaded, Ascending If you do, then SM mail looks like an ongoing conversation. https://photos.app.goo.gl/9JfpgptGSAn3ED4M9 Ray Which has worked for me for so long!! Oh!! Well!! Did you look at the pic I linked? Descending puts the current thread at the top of the window where it is visible when the folder opens. Try it my way and see if your posts are in the tree. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Setting up an out-going filter
Daniel wrote: On my UseNet server, I monitor about 75 groups, Sure, most of them have very little to nil action, but some newsgroups are still reasonably active. So, what I would like to do (at the start of this new year) is to set up outgoing filters so, say, all the replies to Operating Systems (Win7 & Linux) type newsgroups automatically go into one folder, all the replies to T.V. show type newsgroups go into a second folder and all the rest go into a third folder. What is your current setup in SM mail regarding UseNet? Do you have 75 newsgroups set up in SM mail? Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Setting up an out-going filter
Daniel wrote: If I were really worried, yes, I could do that, but ... hey, you guys can see my OP, so, IMHO, not worth the worry/trouble!! Do you have View > Sort by > Date, Threaded and Descending? If you do, then SM mail looks like an ongoing conversation. https://photos.app.goo.gl/9JfpgptGSAn3ED4M9 Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
