Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Richmond]

Ray_Net wrote:
>> I disagree with that, because it would not be correctly identifying the
>> browser.
>>
>>
> Who's care ? Nobody knows SeaMonkey - and they don't want to know 
> 
> Tell me WHY SM must identify itself as SM ? .. when a lot of SM people 
> change the UA string reflecting ONLY as Firfox.
> If the default UA string will be "Firefox" only...
> A. There is no need to fiddle changing the UA string.
> B. All site sniffing wrongly ... will work correctly.
> 
> AND
> 
> Due to the fact that:
> 1. Webmaster checks only for IE,Google/Chrome, Opera and FireFox but 
> NEVER for SeaMonkey
> 2. And due to the fact the coding for SeaMonkey Must be IDENTICAL for 
> Firefox.
> SM must present his browser as a Firefox browser.
> 

I am not saying you shouldn't change it if you want to. I have prefs bar
and I change it myself sometimes. I can't remember why.

I am just saying that the point of the User Agent String is to identify
the user agent. So the default setting should be Seamonkey, because
that's what it is. If the web authors can't be bothered to check it
properly it is their fault, not the fault of the browser.

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Re: Having a Problem with Google Search but only with SeaMonkey

[Richmond]

Ray_Net wrote:
> Danny Kile wrote on 18-04-17 17:37:
>> J. Weaver Jr. wrote:
>>> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
 Google is doing incorrect user agent sniffing. If you user prefbar or
 another user agent switcher and change the user agent to a plain
 Firefox one for google it works. Please complain to them.
 FRG
>>>
>>> That was it - thanks. UA override added, complaint filed.  -JW
>>
>> I override my UA with:
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0
>>
>> This resolved the problem thank you to all that replied. To whom did 
>> you file the complaint with? URL or address would be great.
>>
>> Thank you
> Therefore SM must use this UA as the default one - THEN WE NEVER 
> ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS !
> 

I disagree with that, because it would not be correctly identifying the
browser.

I reported it to google via their feedback some time ago. Maybe one day
they will fix it. When they are not too busy pretending electric
driverless cars are a good idea

(OK that's a different company)



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Re: mail problem with news agent

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Richmond wrote:
> 
> You can reply all and produce one nntp article, via the configured news
> server, and only one email, via the smtp server.

Actually you could send two emails or more if you added them to the
"to:" field.
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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Richmond]

Dirk Munk wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 4/11/2017 3:37 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
>>>>>>> My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news
>>>>>>> messages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send
>>>>>>> the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a
>>>>>>> message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as 
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
>>>>>> server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
>>>>>> general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
>>>>>> time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
>>>>>> as a newsgroup message.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
>>>>> an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
>>>>> article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
>>>>> think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.
>>>>>
>>>> This might have some relevance.
>>>>
>>>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/42971
>>>>
>>> For this newsgroup, I obviously use the news.mozilla.org server to read
>>> messages. For outgoing messages I use the mail server of my ISP. In that
>>> situation I can also send a message to the newsgroup as well as to one
>>> or more email addresses in one action.
>>>
>>> Another newsprovider that I use has its own upload server for outgoing
>>> messages. That server will only accept news messages, it will reject
>>> email messages. That makes sense, since outgoing mail has to use the
>>> mail server attached to my email address.
>>>
>>> In such a situation it should be possible to configure a separate mail
>>> server for outgoing mail messages, or better outgoing news messages that
>>> are also send by email.
>> The NNTP and SMTP protocols are similar but not the same.  Thus, two
>> different servers are required.  SeaMonkey's MailNews component can deal
>> with only one server at a time since that component is replicated from
>> Thunderbird, which can deal with only one server at a time.
>>
>> Your problem requires a server solution, not an application (e.g.,
>> SeaMonkey) solution.  You might try creating your own ISP.
>>

I think there is some confusion going on here. But it might be me.

> So in short, the mail server of my ISP can handle mail messages (SMTP)

Yes, outgoing mail messages, via an smtp server, incoming ones via pop
or imap.

> and news messages (NNTP),

I am not sure about that. Mail servers handle mail, news servers handle
news.

> whereas the server of my newsprovider can only 
> handle news messages (NNTP).

I have never known a news server handle mail. Maybe it can. But the
ports would be different, and the protocol. So you would have to set it
up twice in SM I think, once as a mail server and once as a news server.

> 
> It is possible to do a 'reply all'  to a news message, and that would 
> result in a NNTP message for the newsgroup, and one or more SMTP messages.

You can reply all and produce one nntp article, via the configured news
server, and only one email, via the smtp server. You can use the default
smtp server which you use for all your email. Or you can use a different
one, if you have access to it. smtp servers tend to require an account,
or limit access in some way to avoid being used as spam relays.

> 
> However the configuration for a News account mentions a SMTP Outgoing 
> server. For pure news messages that should be a NNTP server, and for 
> additional SMTP messages, there should be a SMTP server entry, am I right?
> 

No. The outgoing smtp server is for mail, news articles go via the news
server. The smtp server is optional. It's only used if you want to reply
both to the group and by email.


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Re: signature delimiter

[Richmond]

Richard Alan wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
> 
>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>> Mason83 wrote:
>>>> On 09/04/2017 23:00, Ray_Net wrote:
>>>>> Paul B. Gallagher had TWO signatures preceded each one by a correct
>>>>> sig delimiter.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so.
>>>>
>>>> He has DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE for the first, and DASH DASH NEWLINE
>>>> for the second. Only the first one is a valid delimiter.
>>>
>>> I fixed the .txt file used for my sig, saved it, closed it, and
>>> reopened with Notepad and confirmed that the space really is there. But
>>> SM strips the space from the second delimiter. In fact, experimentation
>>> shows that it strips trailing spaces from the ends of all lines except
>>> its own inserted sig delimiter. I even tried saving the file with 12
>>> trailing spaces and SM removed them all.
>>>
>>> It's not me.
>>
>> It isn't happening like that for me.
>>
>> --
>> line 1
> 
> Different newsreaders (strokes) for different folks.   :-)
> 
> My newsreader, Pan, recognizes only the last delimiter both in your post 
> and in Paul's post. I would have to manually delete the first sig, which I 
> did not do in this post of mine.
> 

Yes but I mean I am using Seamonkey and it hasn't removed trailing
spaces from the separator. I am using a newer version of Seamonkey though.



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Re: signature delimiter

[Richmond]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Mason83 wrote:
> 
>> On 09/04/2017 23:00, Ray_Net wrote:
>>> Paul B. Gallagher had TWO signatures preceded each one by a correct
>>> sig delimiter.
>>
>> I don't think so.
>>
>> He has DASH DASH SPACE NEWLINE for the first, and DASH DASH NEWLINE
>> for the second. Only the first one is a valid delimiter.
> 
> I fixed the .txt file used for my sig, saved it, closed it, and reopened 
> with Notepad and confirmed that the space really is there. But SM strips 
> the space from the second delimiter. In fact, experimentation shows that 
> it strips trailing spaces from the ends of all lines except its own 
> inserted sig delimiter. I even tried saving the file with 12 trailing 
> spaces and SM removed them all.
> 
> It's not me.
> 

It isn't happening like that for me.

-- 
line 1
-- 
line 2
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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Richmond]

Richmond wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
>>> My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news 
>>> messages.
>>>
>>> However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.
>>>
>>> So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send 
>>> the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a 
>>> message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.
>>>
>>> I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
>>>
>>
>> E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
>> server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
>> general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
>> time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
>> as a newsgroup message.
>>
> 
> 
> That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
> an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
> article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
> think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.
> 

This might have some relevance.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.seamonkey.user/42971

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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Richmond]

Dirk Munk wrote:
> My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news 
> messages.
> 
> However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.
> 
> So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send 
> the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a 
> message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.
> 
> I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
> 
I am testing using "reply to all", and it looks like it is going to send
both to your email address and to the group.

Have you checked what your outgoing smpt server is for the news server
in account settings?

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Re: mail problem with news agent

[Richmond]

David E. Ross wrote:
> On 4/10/2017 4:44 PM, Dirk Munk wrote:
>> My news provider has its own servers for incoming and outgoing news 
>> messages.
>>
>> However the server for outgoing traffic does not accept email messages.
>>
>> So if I want to send a news message ('Newsgroup:'), and I want to send 
>> the same message by mail ('To:'), that doesn't work, I will get a 
>> message that the email is rejected, and with that the news posting as well.
>>
>> I suppose that it will be quite difficult to fix this problem?
>>
> 
> E-mail messages are sent through either an SMTP server or an IMAP
> server.  Newsgroup messages are sent through an NNTP server.  In
> general, message applications can send messages to only one server at a
> time.  Thus, you should send your message twice, once as E-mail and once
> as a newsgroup message.
> 


That seems odd. In the account settings for this news server, there is
an option to set an outgoing smtp server. And if I right click on a news
article, there is an option to reply to sender AND to newsgroup. So I
think it should work. But it didn't when I tested it.

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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

[Richmond]

TCW wrote:

> 
> Yup, that's exactly what I am seeing.
> 

Are you using the Modern them? You know the one that's about 20 years
old? :) Try switching back to the other one, default theme. I think that
will fix it.

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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

[Richmond]

TCW wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 19:27:10 +0100, Richmond <dnomh...@gmx.com> wrote:
> 
>> Richmond wrote:
>>> TCW wrote:
>>>> On a few occasions, I get a weird playback issue on video on CNN. Here 
>>>> is one example: https://tinyurl.com/kbrfoht
>>>>
>>>> The video controls and such are all munged. I'm on Adrian's 2.50 build 
>>>> but I've seen it once or twice with Adrian's 2.49.
>>>>
>>>> The error reads "Video loading stopped. Video playback aborted due to a 
>>>> network error. Video can't be played because the file is corrupt. Video 
>>>> format or MIME type is not supported. No video with supported format and 
>>>> MIME type found. Video playback aborted due to an unknown error." Of 
>>>> course, the video plays but the progress bar and controls look all wonky.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can see the controls all "munged". When I clicked somewhere on the
>>> video picture it started playing an advert, but the controls were still
>>> obscuring the picture. It played an advert.
>>>
>>> I have seen this controls problem elsewhere. Someone posted a demo video
>>> page with it on, but I cannot remember if it was here or opensuse
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>> I am using 2.51a2 which I checked out and compiled myself today.
>>>
>>
>> It was opensuse mailing list. Here are a couple of tests:
>>
>> http://dodin.info/piwigo/picture.php?/133883-paradis_01/category/7236
>>
>> http://www.quirksmode.org/html5/tests/video.html
> 
> Yup, that's exactly what I am seeing.
> 

I didn't mention it before, but I also saw that error message "Video
loading stopped...".

Later I tried creating a new profile and with that the video seemed to
work without problems.

Disabling all my addons with the default (suspect) profile made no
difference. I expect it is down to some setting, but finding which one
won't be easy.


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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

[Richmond]

Richmond wrote:
> TCW wrote:
>> On a few occasions, I get a weird playback issue on video on CNN. Here 
>> is one example: https://tinyurl.com/kbrfoht
>>
>> The video controls and such are all munged. I'm on Adrian's 2.50 build 
>> but I've seen it once or twice with Adrian's 2.49.
>>
>> The error reads "Video loading stopped. Video playback aborted due to a 
>> network error. Video can't be played because the file is corrupt. Video 
>> format or MIME type is not supported. No video with supported format and 
>> MIME type found. Video playback aborted due to an unknown error." Of 
>> course, the video plays but the progress bar and controls look all wonky.
>>
> 
> I can see the controls all "munged". When I clicked somewhere on the
> video picture it started playing an advert, but the controls were still
> obscuring the picture. It played an advert.
> 
> I have seen this controls problem elsewhere. Someone posted a demo video
> page with it on, but I cannot remember if it was here or opensuse
> mailing list.
> 
> I am using 2.51a2 which I checked out and compiled myself today.
> 

It was opensuse mailing list. Here are a couple of tests:

http://dodin.info/piwigo/picture.php?/133883-paradis_01/category/7236

http://www.quirksmode.org/html5/tests/video.html

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Re: Can anyone repro this: odd video playback issue

[Richmond]

TCW wrote:
> On a few occasions, I get a weird playback issue on video on CNN. Here 
> is one example: https://tinyurl.com/kbrfoht
> 
> The video controls and such are all munged. I'm on Adrian's 2.50 build 
> but I've seen it once or twice with Adrian's 2.49.
> 
> The error reads "Video loading stopped. Video playback aborted due to a 
> network error. Video can't be played because the file is corrupt. Video 
> format or MIME type is not supported. No video with supported format and 
> MIME type found. Video playback aborted due to an unknown error." Of 
> course, the video plays but the progress bar and controls look all wonky.
> 

I can see the controls all "munged". When I clicked somewhere on the
video picture it started playing an advert, but the controls were still
obscuring the picture. It played an advert.

I have seen this controls problem elsewhere. Someone posted a demo video
page with it on, but I cannot remember if it was here or opensuse
mailing list.

I am using 2.51a2 which I checked out and compiled myself today.

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Re: Problem with Google line wrap

[Richmond]

You could just disable javascript when using google search. The tools
then appear as a menu on the left.
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Re: SeaMonkey on Windows 10

[Richmond]

DoctorBill  writes:

> I have a friend (Computer Neanderthal) who has SM on Windows 10 computers (2).
>
> Keeps getting an error message.  Won't work !
>
> I'd like to help him (Lives in Montana) - He had it installed by
> some Computer guy who can't finger this out !
>
> Any links or hints to help him out.   He is helpless in this area.
>
> DoctorBill

Ask him what the error message is. It could be "disk full" for all we
know.
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Re: Order Received Column Width

[Richmond]

WaltS48 <thalion...@removeaim.com> writes:

> Richmond wrote:
>> WaltS48 <thalion...@removeaol.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 3/28/17 10:56 PM, Richmond wrote:
>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>>> I cannot change the width of the "Order Received" column on RSS
>>>>>> feeds (or anything else probably)*. Does anyone else have this
>>>>>> effect? I am using 2.51a2 64 bit linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well no sooner have I posted that, than it starts working again.
>>>>>
>>>> It happened again. I could not change the width of the order received
>>>> column. I switched to a newsgroup and switched back to RSS and I was
>>>> able to change it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't you build your own SeaMonkey?
>>>
>>> I don't think too many users here are using experimental,
>>> development builds that may be unstable.
>>
>> Well someone has to test aurora, don't they? I thought if someone else
>> saw it too then I would post a bugzilla, but it is maybe to trivial to
>> bother with.
>>
>
> I do have a Blogs and News Feeds account in 2.49a2!
>
> So where is your Order Received column placed in the Thread Pane?

In my Blogs and News Feeds folder I have an unread folder, which is a
search folder which I created by searching for all the articles in Blogs
and News Feeds which are unread. So this folder, like all my other
folders, has the Order Received column on the right hand side, but
unlike all my other folders it has a Location column to the right of
it. This Location column might be unique to search folders. Anyway the
situation right now is that I can move the left hand side of the Order
Received column, but this does not change the width of the column, it
just moves the column. I cannot move the right hand side of the
column. Hovering over it with the mouse does not produce the <-> mouse
cursor.

So (experimenting) I move to a different folder... Nope, I still can't
change it, but, what I did next is move the Order Received column to the
left so that Priority Location Date and Status are to its right. Having
done that I can change the width of the Order Received column. Strangely
though I can now change the width of the Priority column which is in the
place that Order Received used to be.

>
> I added it and it appeared on the end of the columns. I couldn't
> change the width from the right hand side of the column, but could
> from the left.
>
> Moving it over one column, I couldn't change the width from the left
> hand side of the column, but could from the right.
>
> After selecting a newsgroup, and going back to a feed I could change
> the width from either side.
>
> I wonders if it is like that in the release version?

What you are describing isn't quite what I am seeing. It needs to be the
second column from the right. If it is the rightmost column then moving
it will change its width by default I expect, as the right of the pane
cannot move.

So further experimenting, the Location field is not available in any
except the Unread search folder. If Order Received is the last but one
column in this folder, then its width cannot be changed.

Fascinating. :)
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Re: Order Received Column Width

[Richmond]

WaltS48 <thalion...@removeaol.com> writes:

> On 3/28/17 10:56 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> Richmond wrote:
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>> I cannot change the width of the "Order Received" column on RSS feeds
>>>> (or anything else probably)*. Does anyone else have this effect? I am
>>>> using 2.51a2 64 bit linux.
>>>>
>>> Well no sooner have I posted that, than it starts working again.
>>>
>> It happened again. I could not change the width of the order received
>> column. I switched to a newsgroup and switched back to RSS and I was
>> able to change it.
>>
>
> Don't you build your own SeaMonkey?
>
> I don't think too many users here are using experimental, development builds
> that may be unstable.

Well someone has to test aurora, don't they? I thought if someone else
saw it too then I would post a bugzilla, but it is maybe to trivial to
bother with.
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Lastpass 3

[Richmond]

I see some security issue is being fixed in lastpass, but also that
lastpass will be phasing out version 3. Is there a way to get 4 in SM?
Is this due to the new web extension standard?
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Re: Order Received Column Width

[Richmond]

Richmond wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>> I cannot change the width of the "Order Received" column on RSS feeds
>> (or anything else probably)*. Does anyone else have this effect? I am
>> using 2.51a2 64 bit linux.
>>
> 
> Well no sooner have I posted that, than it starts working again.
> 

It happened again. I could not change the width of the order received
column. I switched to a newsgroup and switched back to RSS and I was
able to change it.

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Re: Order Received Column Width

[Richmond]

Richmond wrote:
> I cannot change the width of the "Order Received" column on RSS feeds
> (or anything else probably)*. Does anyone else have this effect? I am
> using 2.51a2 64 bit linux.
> 

Well no sooner have I posted that, than it starts working again.

Maybe it only occurs on the search folder I have set up for unread
articles. I have noticed also on this search folder that messages with
the same order received appear twice. But if I navigate away to a
different folder and back again, the duplicates are gone.

*(By "Anything else" I meant any other folder. I was able to change the
width of any column except order received).

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Order Received Column Width

[Richmond]

I cannot change the width of the "Order Received" column on RSS feeds
(or anything else probably). Does anyone else have this effect? I am
using 2.51a2 64 bit linux.

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Re: memory leaks in SeaMonkey 2.48

[Richmond]

David H. Durgee wrote:
> I am currently running Adrian's 64 bit build on linux mint 17.2 x64 and 
> am noticing what I can only assume is a memory leak over time.  I just 
> had to restart SM when my system usage showed it using 1.7GB of memory! 
> After restarting it now reports 725MB used, so this is quite an improvement.
> 
> I tend to avoid restarts until necessary as I keep multiple tabs open 
> and some of them require me to login again after a restart.  Perhaps it 
> would be possible to do a "softer" restart of some sort at some point 
> and avoid this?
> 
> I know that security issues are primary, but can memory leaks be looked 
> into at some point?  If they can't be addressed easily, as they might be 
> specific to particular builds as opposed to general, then perhaps at 
> least it might be possible to implement some sort of a "restart" option 
> that would avoid the problems associated with a complete shutdown/launch 
> cycle imposes?
> 
> Dave
> 

I get some problems when I log into Netflix. I am not sure if it is a
memory leak. But my system has only 1G of RAM, and when I log into
Netflix, it goes swaptastic. The same problem was occurring with Firefox
but then it went away with a newer release, so I was hoping the same
thing would happen with SeaMonkey eventually.

Opensuse 42.2

Seamonkey 2.49a2 and 2.50a2, compiled by me. (Maybe earlier ones, I
can't remember).
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Re: Yahoo Forcing Switch from POP3 to EMAP on 3/31/2017. How to Convert?

[Richmond]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> On 3/16/2017 6:30 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>> Yahoo is eliminating POP3 on 3/31/2017 and therefore I have to switch
>> to IMAP

Do you have an url to confirm this?

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Re: Problems with Yahoo POP mail

[Richmond]

> I think I may have found the answer to my question.  Anyone else using 
> Yahoo mail via POP3 see this article:
> 
> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail-for-desktop/sln28161.html
> 
> It appears that Yahoo is dropping POP3 support effective at the end of 
> the month.  They suggest using IMAP instead.
> 

That's not what the article says. It is talking about pop3 import, i.e.
getting mail from other email accounts into Yahoo.

I think if Yahoo stopped pop3 support it would be big news, because many
are trying to get away from it by pulling mail into another provider
like gmail.

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Re: out of date?

[Richmond]

Ronnie wrote:
>>
> Regardless of the 'woes', my point still stands. There is no benefit to
> announcing an out of date browser when no update is available yet. It
> simply discourages people from using the browser which in turn means
> less user which leads to a projects death.
> 

I should think doing something about that is a lower priority than
producing the next version.

You could use Aurora:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/aurora

There is a 2.49a2 for linux.

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Re: No-Squint replacement

[Richmond]

Roger Fink wrote:
> This is such a useful feature to have that I'm surprised all browsers 
> don't have it hard-wired in.
> 

I used to use nosquint. Then I switched to theme and font size changer.
Now I just get by setting the minimum zoom level. It's not perfect but
it's good enough.

You could also experiment with setting a minimum font size, but that can
mess up some sites.

Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Content -> Zoom options -> Range


Or about:config zoom.minPercent;170
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Re: Mark all folders read

[Richmond]

Richmond <dnomh...@gmx.com> writes:

> Danny Kile <kileda...@nospamnetscape.net> writes:
>
>> Richmond wrote:
>>> Danny Kile wrote:
>>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>>> Is there a way to mark all the folders in Blogs and News Feeds as read?
>>>>> If I select one folder I can right click and mark as read. If I select
>>>>> two or more, right click does nothing. The message menu has Mark options
>>>>> disabled.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Click the first folder move down to the last folder and Shift Click it
>>>> that should mark all the folder in question. Then from the menu bar
>>>> Click Message > Mark > All Read., that should do it.
>>>>
>>>> Danny,
>>>>
>>> That option is greyed out when I select all the folders.
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure it worked on Thunderbird though.
>>>
>> I am using 2.46 and it is not grayed out for me, not sure why it would 
>> be for you.
>
> Hmm. The plot thickens. Maybe it's because you are using Windows? Or
> maybe it's because you are using a 32bit version?

I tried the 32bit 2.46 on linux but it is greyed out.
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Re: Mark all folders read

[Richmond]

Danny Kile <kileda...@nospamnetscape.net> writes:

> Richmond wrote:
>> Danny Kile wrote:
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>> Is there a way to mark all the folders in Blogs and News Feeds as read?
>>>> If I select one folder I can right click and mark as read. If I select
>>>> two or more, right click does nothing. The message menu has Mark options
>>>> disabled.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Click the first folder move down to the last folder and Shift Click it
>>> that should mark all the folder in question. Then from the menu bar
>>> Click Message > Mark > All Read., that should do it.
>>>
>>> Danny,
>>>
>> That option is greyed out when I select all the folders.
>>
>> I am pretty sure it worked on Thunderbird though.
>>
> I am using 2.46 and it is not grayed out for me, not sure why it would 
> be for you.

Hmm. The plot thickens. Maybe it's because you are using Windows? Or
maybe it's because you are using a 32bit version?
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Re: "Save File" location

[Richmond]

You could try right clicking on the file and select "copy link location"
or whatever it's called, then downloaded it with wget from the command line.

The only problem is you have to download wget first.

https://www.gnu.org/software/wget/

Why haven't you tried downloading with Internet Explorer?
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Re: Mark all folders read

[Richmond]

WaltS48  writes:


>>> Not being a regular SeaMonkey user, I wonder if that context menu ever
>>> appeared in
>>> previous versions. I may test, being that it appears to be a bug.
>>
>> It is not in SM 2.26.1 (windows version).
>
> it is a six year old
> bug. 

The fact that it is on bugzilla doesn't necessarily mean it is a
bug. They put requests for change, things to do, etc on there too.
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Re: Mark all folders read

[Richmond]

WaltS48  writes:


>> Not being a regular SeaMonkey user, I wonder if that context menu ever
>> appeared in previous versions. I may test, being that it appears to be a
>> bug.
>
> No context menu in 2.40 on Windows 10 when multiple folders/newsgroups
> selected.
>
> I'm done.

Yes I tried 2.40 on linux. I am not sure this is a bug. It maybe an
improvement that was made to the TB user interface but never applied to
SM. I should think it would be more complicated for the code to go
through a list of folders and then for each folder through a list of
articles than just to go through a list of articles.

The saved search that I have created though is dynamically updated so it
is now easy to repeat the mark-all-read on it.
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Re: monitoring MAGNITUDE of internet activity - how?

[Richmond]

Richard Owlett wrote:
> *NOTE BENE*
> Capitalization in subject line semantically important :>
> 
> I have significant bandwidth constraints.
> I have been asked to participate in a project requiring significant data 
> transfers.
> I wish to run a test case to estimate the connectivity "cost".
> For the test case the source/destination is of secondary importance.
> 
> Does SeaMonkey have a tool that can be
>   "turned on"  at time t0
>   "turned off" at time t1
> which will report the number of
>"uploaded"   bytes
>"downloaded" bytes
> in that interval?
> 
> If the tool reports more, no problem -- it will likely be ignored.
> TIA
> 

Wouldn't it be better to use the logs on the router to do that?
(Assuming you have one).

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Re: Mark all folders read

[Richmond]

Richmond wrote:
> Is there a way to mark all the folders in Blogs and News Feeds as read?
> If I select one folder I can right click and mark as read. If I select
> two or more, right click does nothing. The message menu has Mark options
> disabled.
> 

I've found a way to do it.  I did a search for
messages whose status is not "read". Then I saved that as a search
folder. Then I selected all the messages in that folder and marked them
as read. It was a little slow but it worked.
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Re: Mark all folders read

[Richmond]

Richmond wrote:
> Danny Kile wrote:
>> Richmond wrote:
>>> Is there a way to mark all the folders in Blogs and News Feeds as read?
>>> If I select one folder I can right click and mark as read. If I select
>>> two or more, right click does nothing. The message menu has Mark options
>>> disabled.
>>>
>>
>> Click the first folder move down to the last folder and Shift Click it 
>> that should mark all the folder in question. Then from the menu bar 
>> Click Message > Mark > All Read., that should do it.
>>
>> Danny,
>>
> That option is greyed out when I select all the folders.
> 
> I am pretty sure it worked on Thunderbird though.
> 

I neglected to mention I am using Aurora. But I tried with 2.40 and got
the same result, so it's not that.

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Re: Mark all folders read

[Richmond]

Danny Kile wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>> Is there a way to mark all the folders in Blogs and News Feeds as read?
>> If I select one folder I can right click and mark as read. If I select
>> two or more, right click does nothing. The message menu has Mark options
>> disabled.
>>
> 
> Click the first folder move down to the last folder and Shift Click it 
> that should mark all the folder in question. Then from the menu bar 
> Click Message > Mark > All Read., that should do it.
> 
> Danny,
> 
That option is greyed out when I select all the folders.

I am pretty sure it worked on Thunderbird though.

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Re: Mark all folders read

[Richmond]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>> Is there a way to mark all the folders in Blogs and News Feeds as read?
>> If I select one folder I can right click and mark as read. If I select
>> two or more, right click does nothing. The message menu has Mark options
>> disabled.
>>
> Ctrl - Shift - C
> 
That does one folder, I was hoping to do all of them.

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Mark all folders read

[Richmond]

Is there a way to mark all the folders in Blogs and News Feeds as read?
If I select one folder I can right click and mark as read. If I select
two or more, right click does nothing. The message menu has Mark options
disabled.
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Re: "Save File" location

[Richmond]

Another thing to watch out for is hidden files. You can see those with

DIR /AH

Well I think I've gone off topic.
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Re: Sudden Change To Tiny Font (Solved)

[Richmond]

David E. Ross wrote:
> I strongly suspect that the latest version of the Theme Fpon & Size
> Changer extension (version 51.0) will expire on 30 March 2017.  On that
> date, the tool bar icon for the extension will disappear; and certain
> settings made through the extension will be negated.
> 
> This has been an ongoing problem with this one extension.  No one seems
> to understand why the developer is doing this, but it is very annoying.
> 

It is also annoying when it updates itself and displays a full page advert.

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Re: "Save File" location

[Richmond]

It's a bit late now, but when I search on windows and don't find
anything I try from the command line:

CD C:\
DIR/S/B FILENAME*.*

Just in case the index is messed up or something.
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Re: Is there a way to have HTML5 videos not buffer until I hit play like on YouTube?

[Richmond]

EE <nu...@bees.wax> writes:

> Richmond wrote:
>> Ant wrote:
>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>>
>> You could try changing:
>>
>> media.autoplay.enabled
>>
>> to false in about:config
>>
>> but I think it might stop youtube working.
>>
> That does not stop youtube videos from playing.  It just prevents the videos
> from auto-starting for the first one in the tab.

It stopped one playing for me. Although it was embedded in someone's
twitter feed. Maybe that makes a difference.
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Re: Seamonkey FAILS to post

[Richmond]

Win10Hater  writes:

> Win 10 Home 64 Bit all updates.
> Latest Seamonkey.
>
> Posting fails several times over the last few months.
> Finding post is Seamonkey Sent folder but not sent.
> Send second attempt always works.
>
> Usually post to AIOE or Freenews.netfront.net
> This last time was to NEWS.AIOE.ORG
>
> What to do ?

That sounds like a network problem doesn't it? Try a different client
and see if you get the same results.
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Re: Is there a way to have HTML5 videos not buffer until I hit play like on YouTube?

[Richmond]

Ant wrote:
> Thank you in advance. :)
> 
You could try changing:

media.autoplay.enabled

to false in about:config

but I think it might stop youtube working.

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Re: SM 2.46, W 10Pro, Light Text In Mail/News Reader

[Richmond]

Bo1953 <"Bo1953(NO)"@yahoo.com> writes:

> Hello all, just needing to find out which settings cover text in SM.
>
> For me, or it could be my eyes, the text in the email module are very light
> and gives me a difficult time reading...
>
> Any ideas or suggestions on how to remedy this?
>
> TIA - bo1953
>

Set the minimum size in Appearance -> Content -> Zoom range. (You have
to press ctrl-0 when you first launch SM, I have no idea why.)

Install the http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/ which gives you a colours
option on web pages. If they have used a low contrast colour you can
easily switch it off.
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Re: Why can't I see any colors in SM 2.46?

[Richmond]

rdurrenb...@wi.rr.com writes:

> On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 3:24:53 AM UTC-6, Richmond wrote:
>> rdurrenb...@wi.rr.com wrote:
>> > Ever since I installed 2.46 all I see is text and sometimes I can't
>> > see some of that.  The pages are like they are transparent.  All
>> > white with just some text, buttons are just outlines with text
>> > titles in them.  The text in any selected email in my message box
>> > is white and I cannot see who the email is from.  The message comes
>> > out okay, but not in the message display.  If I want to highlight a
>> > word or sentence in a composition with a color, like red or
>> > importance or any other color, it will not highlight anymore.  I
>> > also cannot access my saved Passwords anymore in my Preferences.
>> > 
>> > Why should this be happening and how can I rectify it?  Need help.
>> > It is very hard to read any web site, including this one.
>> > 
>> 
>> Check the settings in Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Colours
>> 
>> Try creating a new profile: Tools -> Switch profile -> Manager profiles.
>> 
>> Try running in safe mode.
>
>
> I already checked my Preferences and the Appearance and the Colors.  There is
> nothing there that changed or that I can see to make the change.  I will have
> to check out the Profiles or safe mode.

So what happened when you tried in safe mode? And what happened when you
tried a different profile?
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Re: Why can't I see any colors in SM 2.46?

[Richmond]

rdurrenb...@wi.rr.com wrote:
> Ever since I installed 2.46 all I see is text and sometimes I can't see some 
> of that.  The pages are like they are transparent.  All white with just some 
> text, buttons are just outlines with text titles in them.  The text in any 
> selected email in my message box is white and I cannot see who the email is 
> from.  The message comes out okay, but not in the message display.  If I want 
> to highlight a word or sentence in a composition with a color, like red or 
> importance or any other color, it will not highlight anymore.  I also cannot 
> access my saved Passwords anymore in my Preferences.  
> 
> Why should this be happening and how can I rectify it?  Need help.  It is 
> very hard to read any web site, including this one.  
> 

Check the settings in Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Colours

Try creating a new profile: Tools -> Switch profile -> Manager profiles.

Try running in safe mode.

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[Richmond]

TCW wrote:
> On 2/23/2017 8:00 AM, Chris Ilias wrote:
>> On 22/02/2017 8:53 AM, Stephen King wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
>>
>>
>> First try going into the password manager and removing the stored 
>> password for that account.
>>
>> If that doesn't work, are there any error messages? If so, what do they 
>> say?
>>
> 
> I don't suspect you'll get an answer considering the OP posted their 
> email address as if they were expecting an emailed support response.
> 

This is a mailing list as well as a newsgroup.

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Re: BBC and HTML5

[Richmond]

WaltS48 wrote:
> On 02/21/2017 04:50 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> It's very strange. But I have fixed it. I am using Opensuse 42.2. Acting
>> on a hunch I enabled the Packman repository and installed Mplayer and
>> all its dependencies. After that the video worked.
>>
> 
> That's interesting.
> 
> I do have Mplayer installed.
> 

I am not sure if this is a bug. And if it is, I am not sure in which
product it is.

If firefox goes off to get the cisco H.264 plugin at run time, then it
should also get the codecs to make sure it works. But I am not sure how
that would happen. I guess it cannot happen when you install firefox
because firefox is free as in freedom.

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Re: BBC and HTML5

[Richmond]

It's very strange. But I have fixed it. I am using Opensuse 42.2. Acting
on a hunch I enabled the Packman repository and installed Mplayer and
all its dependencies. After that the video worked.

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Re: BBC and HTML5

[Richmond]

Lee wrote:
> On 2/21/17, Richmond <dnomh...@gmx.com> wrote:
>> WaltS48 wrote:
>>> Richmond wrote:
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/html5
>>>>
>>>> This site should work now, shouldn't it? I have tried it with 2.49a2 and
>>>> 2.50a2. (To test: over on the right and side there should be an option
>>>> to opt out of html5. If you don't see that then you should clear cookies
>>>> otherwise it will try to use flash.)
>>>>
>>> That page detected I had Flash set to "Ask to Activate" and
>>> automatically selected the HTML5 player.
>>>
>>> Cute video.
>>>
>>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0
>>> SeaMonkey/2.46
>>>
>> It doesn't work for me. I don't have flash installed.
> I don't have flash installed either
>
>> First it says I need to install flash,
> didn't get that..
>
>> but then it changes to "this content doesn't seem to be working".
> did get that at first - temporarily allowed much with noscript &
> request policy and eventually it played.  What happens if you disable
> all your addons, clear cookies & visit that site?
>

I didn't have any addons or cookies because I created a new profile.

I just tried in safe mode with another new profile but got the same. I
think it must be something to do with my system.

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:53.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/53.0 SeaMonkey/2.50a2

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Re: BBC and HTML5

[Richmond]

WaltS48 wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/html5
>>
>> This site should work now, shouldn't it? I have tried it with 2.49a2 and
>> 2.50a2. (To test: over on the right and side there should be an option
>> to opt out of html5. If you don't see that then you should clear cookies
>> otherwise it will try to use flash.)
>>
> 
> That page detected I had Flash set to "Ask to Activate" and 
> automatically selected the HTML5 player.
> 
> Cute video.
> 
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 
> SeaMonkey/2.46
> 

It doesn't work for me. I don't have flash installed. First it says I
need to install flash, but then it changes to "this content doesn't seem
to be working". Right click reveals error 4999.

Other videos work, for example youtube.

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BBC and HTML5

[Richmond]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/html5

This site should work now, shouldn't it? I have tried it with 2.49a2 and
2.50a2. (To test: over on the right and side there should be an option
to opt out of html5. If you don't see that then you should clear cookies
otherwise it will try to use flash.)

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Re: NYT article not loading, similar Google problem

[Richmond]

WaltS48 wrote:
> flyguy wrote:
>> This article does not load into Seamonkey, using my normal profile:
>>
>> https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1942/02/15/85516308.html?pageNumber=166_u=64767442
>>
>>
>> Other than that link, I have no problems with the New York Times. The
>> link does load into a clean profile, and also in Chrome and IE 11.
>>
>> Perhaps this related to a Google problem that began in the last couple
>> of months. For example, if I type in "pizza" (no quote marks), I get the
>> usual ad links, a small map showing pizza places in the area, under
>> which is a list of those places. Clicking on a pizza place in the list
>> takes me to another tab, which remains blank with status line showing
>> "done". I used get what I still get in IE and Chrome: the list of
>> places, and a full map overlaid with box showing the details of the
>> place I clicked on.
>>
>> I can get the usual full map, etc, if I click on the "Maps" link the
>> menu that's under the Google search box at the top.
>>
>> Any ideas?
> I get a blank tab in SeaMonkey, a log-in page in Firefox.
I am using 2.50 so maybe there is a bug in 2.46 and earlier firefoxes
which will be fixed.


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Re: NYT article not loading, similar Google problem

[Richmond]

flyguy wrote:
> This article does not load into Seamonkey, using my normal profile:
>
> https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1942/02/15/85516308.html?pageNumber=166_u=64767442
>
> Other than that link, I have no problems with the New York Times. The 
> link does load into a clean profile, and also in Chrome and IE 11.
>
> Perhaps this related to a Google problem that began in the last couple 
> of months. For example, if I type in "pizza" (no quote marks), I get the 
> usual ad links, a small map showing pizza places in the area, under 
> which is a list of those places. Clicking on a pizza place in the list 
> takes me to another tab, which remains blank with status line showing 
> "done". I used get what I still get in IE and Chrome: the list of 
> places, and a full map overlaid with box showing the details of the 
> place I clicked on.
>
> I can get the usual full map, etc, if I click on the "Maps" link the 
> menu that's under the Google search box at the top.
>
> Any ideas?

I get a login screen.

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Re: Sea Monkey Won't Start--Third Update (Still Nothing)

[Richmond]

"Larry S."  writes:


> Here's the odd thing. Once again, if the laptop sits for hours, unused but
> turned on, sometimes SM will start. Not predictable, though, so not
> reproducible. We're totally confused!

Maybe you have disk problems. Have you checked for errors in the event
log?
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Re: Sea Monkey Won't Start--2nd Update

[Richmond]

Larry S. wrote:
> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>> Which Antivirus is she running?
>>
>> Microsoft just rolled out the anniversary update to users of Windows
>> TH2. Had to block it in the vm because this version is just so much
>> garbage. If this qot installed it might have damaged or disabled
>> SeaMonkey but this is a full Windows install and you or she should have
>> noticed.
>>
>> FRG
>>
>> Larry S. wrote:
>>
>>> My wife has SM 2.46 on a Dell laptop using Windows 10. Yesterday it
>>> worked just fine. Today it won't start. No mail, no browser, nothing.
>>> Her other programs work perfectly.
>>>
>>> She has restarted the computer at least three times. She checked on
>>> task manager--one time it showed, and she stopped it (although it
>>> still wouldn't start). She tried to start it from the list of
>>> programs; no luck.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions or ideas? We'd be very appreciative.
>>>
>>> Larry S.
> Unusual observation--all (every one) of the programs and services in 
> Task Manger are running. Maybe I'm obsolete, but I'm used to many 
> running but some not. Is this odd? A clue?
Maybe you could run seamonkey from the command line and see if there is
an error message?

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Re: Standardized web pages sesigned as diagnostic aid?

[Richmond]

Richard Owlett  writes:

> Back in January I started a thread about default zoom levels.
> I *THOUGHT* I had resolved my problems.
> No longer so sure.
> For my fellow old-timers who predate color TV, I'm looking for something that
> would serve a similar function as the "Test Pattern" transmitted before the
> broadcast day began.
> TIA

Try looking at the same page in different browsers. Try in safe
mode. Try with a new profile.

Ultimately HTML is very much open to interpretation.

Once thing that really screws things up in my experience is minimum font
sizes.
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.45 64-bit

[Richmond]

me  writes:

> S Slicer wrote:
>> I am happily using SeaMonkey v2.45 64-bit.  This 64-bit version had been 
>> updated to v2.47 and v2.48.  However, both v2.47 and v2.48 crash 
>> whenever I try to compose an e-mail, or reply to an e-mail.  The only 
>> plug-ins I have are Adobe Flash Player, Silverlight.  The only add-on I 
>> have is FireShot which I am not willing to uninstall.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what changed in the newer versions to cause this?
>> 
>
> I have seen this problem. There was a bugzilla for it. I got around it
> by changing my window manager I think.
>
> What O.S. are you using?

Here it is:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1308923
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Re: Why is LibreJS incompatible with Seamonkey?

[Richmond]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> On 05.02.2017 23:14, Richmond wrote:
>> "There was an error during installation: Extension is invalid"
>
> Hallo,
>
> in install.rdf I see:
>
> 
> 
>   {ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
>   38.0a1
>   *
>
> That's FF only.
>
> You can try this converter
> <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40=2834855>, for AMO
> hosted add-ons together with this browsing tool
> <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40=2834855>.

Thanks, but that didn't work out so well. It stopped web pages from
displaying.

>
> What was the answer of LibreJS-staff to your question?

Er, I will have to wait until after I have asked them to get an answer
on that. ;-)

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Re: Why is LibreJS incompatible with Seamonkey?

[Richmond]

Richmond <dnomh...@gmx.com> writes:

> I tried 2.40 and 2.50a2. I also created a manifest.json to try to load
> with the about:debugging but got:
>
> "There was an error during installation: Extension is invalid"

https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/librejs/gnu_librejs-6.0.13-fx.xpi

https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/

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Why is LibreJS incompatible with Seamonkey?

[Richmond]

I tried 2.40 and 2.50a2. I also created a manifest.json to try to load
with the about:debugging but got:

"There was an error during installation: Extension is invalid"

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Re: SeaMonkey with Copernic search

[Richmond]

Maybe you could trick the software by creating a shortcut from the
Seamonkey mail to the Thunderbird mail. (Or is it from TB to SM?)


George  writes:

> There's one thing I can doand I've been avoiding it as long as I
> can...switch to Thunderbird.  I love SeaMonkey, but want to use
> Copernic with my email.  Thanks for the response, Frank.
>
> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>> Does it additionally use an add-on or is it a standalone product
>> only.  If standalone the program itself probably needs to be
>> changed. SeaMonkey uses the same folder structure and format as
>> Thunderbird. If the program recognizes only a TB profile nothing we
>> can do.
>>
>> FRG
>>
>> George wrote:
>>> Richard, thanks for your response. My apologies for not going into
>>> more detail about Copernic.  Here's a link to them, landing on a
>>> list of files it will find...
>>>
>>> http://www.copernic.com/en/products/desktop-search/file-types/
>>>
>>> Notice it works with Thunderbird. When searching with Copernic,
>>> you'll see an instant search result, regardless of the email folder.
>>> SeaMonkey's search only works with one folder at a time.
>>>
>>> What do I want that neither does nicely?  I'll have to think about
>>> that I guess.  Take a look at the website.
>>
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Re: Forbes Displays Blank Without Javascript

[Richmond]

Mason83  writes:


>
>
> There is no actual content in the version for SM.
>
> Regards.

I don't understand all that. I have repeated the test. I disable
javascript using the prefbar addon, I click on the link, I type ctrl-u
and I can see and read content.
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Re: Forbes Displays Blank Without Javascript

[Richmond]

"Paul in Houston, TX"  writes:

>
> It would be nice to read the page without needing JS but the page is
> calling up the text from somewhere else using JS.  With out JS there
> is no text, as confirmed by looking at the page source.

There is text, and it can be seen without javascript, by pressing
ctrl-u. It's just hard to see in all the html etc. It can be seen by
using wget, and then running the page through html2text, or by using
w3m, or lynx.
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Re: Forbes Displays Blank Without Javascript

[Richmond]

Mason83 <root@dom.invalid> writes:

> On 30/01/2017 23:46, Richmond wrote:
>> If I visit this page:
>> 
>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/federicoguerrini/2017/01/30/how-is-the-internet-doing-mozillas-ambitious-check-up-effort/
>> 
>> with Seamonkey (2.49a2) and javascript disabled, it displays a blank
>> page. However if I visit it with a text browser, e.g. w3m or lynx, I
>> can read the story. Wouldn't it be useful if SM displayed the text?
>> 
>> (I tried with firefox {with javascript disabled) too but got a
>> blurred darkened image of the page and a circle).
>
> They're probably doing server-side client sniffing?
>
> I don't get the same page in SM and wget.
>
> But if I change the SM User Agent, I still don't get the same
> page I get with wget... Weird.

If you get the page with wget and then run it through html2text you get
the article as you do with w3m. In fact if you view the source of the
page with SM you can see text although it is difficult to read with all
the stuff around it.
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Re: Forbes Displays Blank Without Javascript

[Richmond]

Mason83 <root@dom.invalid> writes:

> On 31/01/2017 00:14, WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 01/30/2017 05:46 PM, Richmond wrote:
>>> If I visit this page:
>>>
>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/federicoguerrini/2017/01/30/how-is-the-internet-doing-mozillas-ambitious-check-up-effort/
>>>
>>> with Seamonkey (2.49a2) and javascript disabled, it displays a blank
>>> page. However if I visit it with a text browser, e.g. w3m or lynx, I
>>> can read the story. Wouldn't it be useful if SM displayed the text?
>>>
>>> (I tried with firefox {with javascript disabled) too but got a
>>> blurred darkened image of the page and a circle).
>>>
>> 
>> Using 2.46, I see a blurred darkened image with a circle.
>> 
>> Using 2.49a2, the same blurred darkened image with a circle.
>
> AFAIU, he's trying to circumvent the Adblock blocker :-)
>

Ah, I forgot about the Adblock Plus. But when I disable that, and still
with javascript disabled, now I get a blank page with a circle.

I am not trying to bypass the adverts, or the ablock blocker, I am
trying to disable all the nonsense on forbes (they did at one time serve
up malware from their swamp of javascript). So I am thinking if w3m can
display text, why not SM? I don't think w3m or lynx run javascript.
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Forbes Displays Blank Without Javascript

[Richmond]

If I visit this page:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/federicoguerrini/2017/01/30/how-is-the-internet-doing-mozillas-ambitious-check-up-effort/

with Seamonkey (2.49a2) and javascript disabled, it displays a blank
page. However if I visit it with a text browser, e.g. w3m or lynx, I can
read the story. Wouldn't it be useful if SM displayed the text?

(I tried with firefox {with javascript disabled) too but got a blurred
darkened image of the page and a circle).
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Re: "This connection is untrusted"

[Richmond]

MNeeks  writes:

>> What virus scanner are you using? Maybe it installed a certificate
>> for Firefox only and is snooping on the network traffic.
>> 
>> FRG
>> 
> I have Kaspersky and interestingly enough, just discovered that if I
> pause protection SeaMonkey will load my normal websites with no
> errors. Hmmm.

It might be worth checking some fingerprints to make sure there is no
snooping.

https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm
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dom.max_script_run_time

[Richmond]

Is dom.max_script_run_time set in elapsed time or cpu time? I mean to
say if I set it to 10 seconds can I just count to 10?

Actually I have set it to 1 second in my ongoing war on javascript. I am
having SM lock up on yahoo news for example, downloading adverts I
think.
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Re: Advertisement Deluge Follow-up w/uBlock Origin

[Richmond]

Henrik37  writes:

> On my 64 bit Optiplex 780, Win7-Pro, SM 2.40, I loaded uBlock Origin
> as an add on'.
>
> One of the things I don't understand is that I am required to enable
> uBlock Origin every time I open SeaMonkey.  If I don't specifically
> enable uBlock Origin, it seems to remain inoperative.
>
> I have never seen an 'add on' before that had to be constantly
> re-enabled.  Is this normal behaviour for uBlock Origin?
>
> Many thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment.

It's not working like that for me. But I am on Seamonkey 2.49a2.
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Re: Netflix

[Richmond]

I think this is some kind of memory leak. It uses up a huge amount of
memory to display the login page. And on this computer it ran out of
memory, whereas on another there was no obviously problem, until using
the 'free' command to observe how much memory is being used.

Chromium displayed the page without problems on this computer so I have
raised it on bugzilla, where it will probably collect dust, or maybe a
few enthusiastic memory challenged followers.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1329183
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Re: wrapping

[Richmond]

Stanimir Stamenkov  writes:

>> Since posting that article, I found that if an email is saved as
>> draft, it is saved in HTML format, even if it is a plain text
>> message. So I guess it is converted from HTML to text as it is sent.
>
> If it gets saved in HTML you should be really composing it in
> HTML. Have never seen such behavior of composing in plain text, and
> then message being saved as HTML draft, using any version of
> SeaMonkey.  Does any of this change if you press and hold Shift while
> pressing the "Compose" button? (this alternates the preferred
> composition format)
>

OK, I tried shift compose and it is indeed wrapping as I type. What I
was doing before was pressing compose, and then selecting option -
format - plain text. I thought that amounted to the same thing. The
formatting toolbar disappears. But apparently it is not the same thing.

>> This may also be dependent on me using IMAP.
>
> I'm almost exclusively using IMAP (except one POP3 account), and
> haven't experienced what you're describing.
>
>> For the time being I am going to use gnus for posting to mailing
>> lists.
>>
>> I am not sure if this is a bug, or intended behaviour. I just tried
>> seamonkey 2.40 with a new profile and I see the same thing
>> there. Compose a new message and type text, it does not wrap at 72
>> characters.
>
> This is quite weird.  I wonder if it could be related to the
> platform/environment you're running SeaMonkey in.

It looks like user error. I should read the manual.
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Re: wrapping

[Richmond]

Stanimir Stamenkov  writes:

> Does this occur when you're replying to an existing message, or
> also/just when you're typing a new message?

A new message.

>
> Previously I've seen when replying to an existing message a quote
> block gets somehow extended to the text of the reply below it, and
> thus it doesn't get wrapped.  There are no visible quote markers
> ('>'), but one could usually notice this during the composition as the
> color of the reply text gets the same as the quoted text color
> (default blue), and not the regular text color.  One could usually get
> away from this state by cutting the already typed reply text, possibly
> hitting couple of Enters, and pasting the text over.
>
> Don't know if that's your case, but see if it could help.  SM 2.49a is
> a development version, so you might try more recent builds to see if
> your current issues are resolved, also.
>

Since posting that article, I found that if an email is saved as draft,
it is saved in HTML format, even if it is a plain text message. So I
guess it is converted from HTML to text as it is sent.

This may also be dependent on me using IMAP.

For the time being I am going to use gnus for posting to mailing lists.

I am not sure if this is a bug, or intended behaviour. I just tried
seamonkey 2.40 with a new profile and I see the same thing
there. Compose a new message and type text, it does not wrap at 72
characters.
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Re: Sudden advertisement deluge

[Richmond]

Henrik37  writes:

> On my 64 bit Optiplex 780, Win7-Pro, SM 2.40, I am suddenly being deluged by
> advertisements, largely but not exclusively, from sites I have previously
> visited.
>
> Are these kinds of things called 'pop-ups'?  I assume this is being caused by
> cookies being retained or something similar.  1) If I don't understand what is
> going on, please help me to understand the cause.
>
> More importantly, 2) How do I stop these things as they are a total
> distraction and make me want to never do any business with what is being
> advertised?
>
> Thanks, in advance, for any counsel, explanations, and/or solutions.

You could make sure that you have blocked unrequested pop-up windows. Go
to Edit Preferences Privacy and Security Pop up Windows and check the
box.

Then install an ad blocker like adblock plus, or ublock origin. Go to
Tools Addons and search for them, install one or the other should be
sufficient.
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Netflix

[Richmond]

Logging into Netflix with seamonkey caused it to go mad. Eventually it
said unresponsive script but it was locked up swapping mad for a while.

Netflix doesn't work with seamonkey anyway but you can at least look at
what's available on there.

Does anyone else have the problem?
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Re: wrapping

[Richmond]

Stanimir Stamenkov  writes:

>
> Not completely sure what you're asking, but I suspect you might be using HTML
> composition for regular email where wrapping occurs just at the viewport
> boundary.  Just configure you account(s) to not compose messages in HTML:
>
>   * Either (right-click) select "Settings..." from the context menu of
> specific account in the Folder Pane, or via Mail window menu
>   * Edit -> Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings...
>
>  / Composition & Addressing:
>
> [ ] Compose messages in HTML format
>
> (make sure it's unchecked)
>
> You could start a HTML composition for individual message/reply by holding
> down Shift while pressing the Compose, or Reply button.

The problem seems to be that when I am typing a news article the text
wraps as I type, but when I am typing an email message the text does not
wrap, at least not until I get to the right hand side of the Window,
which is quite a long way on this screen. This is true regardless of
whether it is html or plain text.

Anyway I sent myself an email and it seems to arrive wrapped, but I
cannot tell where the wrapping occured, i.e. did it occur in the viewer,
or before it was sent?

I posted to a mailing list and someone complained that I should wrap my
text as a courtesy. But I cannot tell if it is going to be wrapped or
not at the point I press send.
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Re: wrapping

[Richmond]

Richmond <dnomh...@gmx.com> writes:

> I have wrapping working for news articles. How to I get it working for
> email?
>
> I am referring to wrapping during composition.
>
> 2.49a2

Here are the parameters I have set:

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wrapping

[Richmond]

I have wrapping working for news articles. How to I get it working for
email?

I am referring to wrapping during composition.

2.49a2
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Re: How to test on NON-SSE2 (was Re: How to test 2.49 on SSE2)

[Richmond]

Mason83 <root@dom.invalid> writes:

> On 30/12/2016 12:59, Richmond wrote:
>> I mistyped.
>> 
>> Richmond <dnomh...@gmx.com> writes:
>> 
>>> I've compiled 2.49a2 on my AMD Athlon XP. (It took about 10 hours). Is
>>> there a test I can do to check the parts which would use SSE2?
>>>
>>> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat
>>> pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow 3dnowprefetch vmmcall
>
> Let's see...
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1271759
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1284902
>
> This is a Windows limitation so far.
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1296630#c55
>

I didn't mean that I wanted to check that it tested for lack of SSE2 and
then refused to proceed. (I think Edmund said he has not put such checks
in yet) I wanted to check those parts of seamonkey which require SSE2
and see if they are still working. Someone mentioned that there is
assembler in the code, so I would expect that to fail.

But if the problem is only because Microsoft's Visual Studio is
producing SSE2 instructions, then that's not going to make any
difference to me on linux.
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How to test on NON-SSE2 (was Re: How to test 2.49 on SSE2)

[Richmond]

I mistyped.

Richmond <dnomh...@gmx.com> writes:

> I've compiled 2.49a2 on my AMD Athlon XP. (It took about 10 hours). Is
> there a test I can do to check the parts which would use SSE2?
>
> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat
> pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow 3dnowprefetch vmmcall
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How to test 2.49 on SSE2

[Richmond]

I've compiled 2.49a2 on my AMD Athlon XP. (It took about 10 hours). Is
there a test I can do to check the parts which would use SSE2?

flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat
pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow 3dnowprefetch vmmcall
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Re: Can't install SM 2.46 on a WinXP SP3 system

[Richmond]

WaltS48  writes:

> On 12/29/2016 06:37 PM, richieb7...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 4:19:35 PM UTC-5, Frank-Rainer Grahl 
>> wrote:
 Not looking forward to the next new release.
>>> Sorry SeaMonkey will never work again on this system. SSE2 is a hard
>>> requirement on Windows from 2.46 on.
>>>
>>> FRG
>> Too bad. I liked SeaMonkey/Mozilla/Netscape. Back to Internet Explorer!
>
>
> Updating to a newer computer would be wiser and safer. I'm sure you could find
> a used one, meeting all system requirements somewhere.

Or ditch Windows.
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Re: A bug with Find-in-Page?

[Richmond]

Stanimir Stamenkov <s7a...@netscape.net> writes:

> Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:08:11 +, /Richmond/:
>
>> I tell a lie. There are errors in the error console window, but not in the
>> xterm from which I launched seamonkey.
>
> Yes, I observe the errors in both of:
>
> Tools -> Web Development:
>
> Error Console, and
> Browser Console

I see a bug here which might be the same thing, so maybe this will go
away in later versions.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1320095
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Re: A bug with Find-in-Page?

[Richmond]

I tell a lie. There are errors in the error console window, but not in
the xterm from which I launched seamonkey.
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Re: A bug with Find-in-Page?

[Richmond]

Stanimir Stamenkov  writes:

> Which SeaMonkey version?  I'm experiencing this with SeaMonkey 2.49a2, for
> example, but not with SeaMonkey 2.46:

I forgot to mention that. It's 2.49a2. But I do not see any errors.

>
> TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function
>   open chrome://global/content/bindings/findbar.xml:736:13
>   startFind chrome://global/content/bindings/findbar.xml:1138:11
>   onFindCommand chrome://global/content/bindings/findbar.xml:1187:18
>   findInPage chrome://communicator/content/findUtils.js:54:5
>   BrowserFind chrome://navigator/content/browser.js:217:3
>   oncommand chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul:1:1
>
> I always have to press Ctrl+F two times in order to open the "Find in page"
> bar, and then to focus the search field – no need to restart SeaMonkey, the
> "Find in page" bar just needs to be closed.
>
> On closing the bar I always observe the following, also:
>
> TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarClose is not a function
>   close chrome://global/content/bindings/findbar.xml:760:11
>   oncommand chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul:1:1

You are right, there is no need to restart, only close the find bar. I
see no errors on closing either. Perhaps it is just that it does not get
focus. If I click in the box after ctrl-f then it works as normal.
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A bug with Find-in-Page?

[Richmond]

I am not sure if this is a bug, here is how to create it:

Quit Seamonkey if it is running.
Launch Seamonkey
Go to a web page, e.g. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/
Type ctrl-f to make the "find in page" box appear.
Then start typing seamonkey.

I would expect the letters to appear in the "find in page" box toward
the top left. But the letters don't appear, although the incremental
"find as you type" is working. However, typing ctrl-f again fixes it,
and I think it remains fixed until Seamonkey quits again.
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Re: Linux 64 bit version

[Richmond]

Gordon Weast  writes:

> I've downloaded the 64 bit Linux version for my Ubuntu machine.
>
> I picked up the current 2.46 .tar.bz2 file.
>
> When I untar it and run it, Help->About still reports that it's 2.39.
> Is this really 2.46, but with the internal version number unchanged
> from 2.39?
>
> Since Ubuntu doesn't install the 64 bit environment by default, the 64
> bit version is the way to go here.
>
> I did try to install all the pieces for 32 bit executables, but after
> finding and installing a number of libs, it still won't run. Seamonkey
> is using some .so files that I wasn't able to find for 32 bit.  At
> least, I couldn't identify all the packages to pick up.
>

If you open a terminal command line and type:

type seamonkey

It will tell you where it is going to pick up the executable from. It
will be somewhere in your path. And it should be from where you were
expecting.

What I did (on opensuse) was uninstall the distribution's seamonkey, and
then switched to root and unpacked the tar into /usr/local/. This should
give you the executable as /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey. Then create a
simlink from /usr/local/bin/seamonkey to /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey:

ln -s /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey /usr/local/bin/seamonkey

Then check that /usr/local/bin is in your path with

env|grep PATH

Check the version with:

seamonkey --version

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Re: New Javascript Free Tab?

[Richmond]

"David E. Ross"  writes:

>
> 1.  Install the PrefBar extension from
> .
>
> 2.  On the PrefBar tool bar, right-click and select Customize PrefBar.
>
> 3.  In the left pane (Available Items) of the PrefBar window, locate
> Javascript (Tab).  Drag it into the right pane (Enabled Items) at a
> location you prefer.
>
> 4.  Click the OK button.

Well I never. I had PrefBar installed, but I didn't know about that
extra option. I didn't explore it enough. Thanks that's just what I
wanted.
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New Javascript Free Tab?

[Richmond]

I had an idea for a useful addition to seamonkey. An option to create a
new javascript free tab. This would mean the javascript on/off flag
would need to be per tab.

I am aware of noscript, but it doesn't work the same way. Some tasks,
like reading the news, don't need javascript and are better without it,
whereas others, like internet shopping, will fail without it. So
javascript should be organised by task, not by site, as google-whatsit
is pervasive on all sites for any task.

This would make seamonkey better than all the other browsers, and set
for world dominatin. ;)
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Re: 2.46 data manager not working

[Richmond]

bern...@nospam.com writes:

> Having a problem with data manager in 2.46  I tried to get into my password
> list and the window comes up and locks up. Went back to 2.40 works
> perfect. Any ideas?

It is working ok for me on linux 2.49. But I read that the data manager
on 2.40 was half broken. So maybe you have some corrupted data in there?
You could try creating a new profile to see how well it works with that.
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Re: SM 2.46 and email data paste problem

[Richmond]

Vladimir Vučićević  writes:

> Aaah, after updating plugin to the latest version, I was unable to
> hint Send message button.
>
> Reverted for now to Seamonkey 2.40.
>
> Nice talking to myself. :D

Sometimes you just need a good listener. :)
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Re: 2.46

[Richmond]

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> writes:

> On 12/22/2016 10:50 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> Hawker <haw...@no-smam-ashevillecommunity.org> writes:
>>
>>> Can I get a quick education - I had to google what that even means.
>>> As I understand this that started in the first Pentium 4 computers correct?
>>> In other words this is only an issue for very old Pentium 3 and earlier
>>> computers correct?
>>>
>>
>> It affects my AMD Athlon XP, although I don't use it very much, so I am
>> not too bothered.
>
> Is SeaMonkey v2.40 very slow on it? I can't remember if I used SM on it. I
> know I used Mozilla suites.

Yesterday I was using it to move hugh amounts of email around. It was
doing ok. It is ok for just reading things on the internet but it helps
to have javascript disabled. There is no point in trying to watch video.

Thunderbird fell over with a segmentation fault.

Seamonky 1 - 0 Thunderbird. :)
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Re: 2.46

[Richmond]

I see here:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/your-hardware-no-longer-supported

It says:

"You may be able to obtain a version that does not require SSE2 from
 your Linux distribution."

Does this mean that I could compile seamonkey on my AMD Athlon XP
(currently running slackware) in theory?
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Re: 2.46

[Richmond]

Hawker  writes:

> Can I get a quick education - I had to google what that even means.
> As I understand this that started in the first Pentium 4 computers correct?
> In other words this is only an issue for very old Pentium 3 and earlier
> computers correct?
>

It affects my AMD Athlon XP, although I don't use it very much, so I am
not too bothered.

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Re: Google Search Tools broken

[Richmond]

Hawker <haw...@no-smam-ashevillecommunity.org> writes:

> On 12/22/2016 8:00 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> I raised a bug here:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1325048
>>
>
> Thank you Richmond.
> I tried Ralph's work around GIF and mine doesn't do that for some reason.  I
> see your bug got declined as "invalid".
> Sounds like the fix is to change the user agent. What is the best way to do
> that these days? I had a plug in years ago for that but haven't had to do it
> in years.

I used "user agent switcher" as described by FRG in the bugzilla. Search
for that in addons. But you have to then download and import a list of
agents to get Firefox 49. Otherwise it's just i.e. and a few obscure
ones.

http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/
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Re: 2.46 version

[Richmond]

Pat Connors  writes:

> In the interim since the 2.40 breach was discovered, I have been using 2.47 64
> bit with no problems what so ever.  Question, when 2.46 is available for
> download, should I use it or stay with the 2.47 version?
>
> Currently it is not available at the SeaMonkey website so where are some
> getting the download?

There is a 2.46 here:

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.46/
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Re: Google Search Tools broken

[Richmond]

I raised a bug here:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1325048
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Re: Google Search Tools broken

[Richmond]

Hawker  writes:

>>
>> I see something broken too. I am on 2.49a2. The "search tools" is on the
>> left instead of the right as it is in firefox.
>>
>
> Good to know it isn't just me. This is a pretty big issue for me.
> I tried Ralph Fox's idea with no luck. I get a space where the mouse pointer
> changes to a I beam but clicking does nothing.
> My current work around is to use "advanced search" which is an overkill PITA.
>
> Any idea what the issue is and what can be done to fix this? Seems to be a
> major bug.  Disheartened to hear that 2.49 still has this issue.

I can make it work in the way described by Ralph's first work-around.

Disabling Javascript seems to make the problem go away by placing the
search options in a menu on the left. Disabling javascript completely is
impractical but using noscript to disable it just for google might be a
solution.

My Seamonkey 2.49a2 identifies itself as Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64;
rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49a2. So I thught maybe
this is a bug which hasn't yet reached my firefox which is still on 51 I
think. But that doesn't fit with the problem being in Seamonkey 2.40.

I suppose the thing to do is to see if it has been recorded on bugzilla
and if not then raise it on there, and then it will be rejected if it is
down to google and not to a fault in the browser.

I might do that shortly.
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Re: Google Search Tools broken

[Richmond]

Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@xn--kba.invalid> writes:

>> Yesterday Google's search broke for using the "Settings" or "Tools"
>> feature in SM 2.40 for me. It works in Firefox still.
>> If I try to use Tools I get the "any time" and "all results" to the
>> right of Tools not below as it should be. I can't click on the time to
>> change it.
>>
>> I tried an new clean profile with the same results.
>> Any idea?
>
>
> If I hold my mouse just below the "any time", there is a level where 
> "any time" changes from grey to black.  If I click at that level, I get 
> the drop-down to change the time.
>

I see something broken too. I am on 2.49a2. The "search tools" is on the
left instead of the right as it is in firefox.
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Re: are there still official seamonkey betas ?

[Richmond]

bdelmee  writes:

> Hello, I keep seeing people mentioning unoffical dev builds
> and encouraging us to try those and report any issue before
> 2.46 comes out.
>
> I am still using 2.38 as 2.40 had an annoying regression for me,
> which i'd like to check on the next beta and report if still present.
>
> But - will there be a beta ? 2.38 is 15 months old by now.
> Still works wonder for all i can see but security-wise,
> this is getting a little old.

There are builds here: (I don't think they are 'unofficial', but they
are for testing.) Scroll down to 2.49a2. I have been using it without
trouble.

https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-aurora/
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