Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
David E. Ross wrote, On 06/08/2013 05:22: On 8/5/13 5:08 PM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote, On 06/08/2013 01:51: On 8/5/13 9:59 AM, hawker wrote: On 8/5/2013 12:37 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 8:14 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/08/2013 18:28, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: hawker wrote: No I have a problem that the way SeaMonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that SeaMonkey WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is SeaMonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a SeaMonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in SeaMonkey. Probably not. SeaMonkey is probably being too obedient and capturing all the garbage codes Word supplies instead of stripping them out. For example, I tried pasting one sentence from a Word 2010 document into an HTML composition window in SeaMonkey, and I got this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 p class=MsoBodyTextThe body always operates as an integrated mechanism, and #8220;forms#8221; behavioral or motor acts in strict compliance with the conditions in which it is placed.o:p/o:p/p followed by 423 more lines of code containing 20,044 characters (including spaces). Yes, that's 20 thousand characters, not 20! The sentence itself was well-formed; the only change was that the curly quotes were rendered as HTML character entities, which is not a problem. I confirm this behavior. I started with a *blank* Word document. I typed *one* word in it, with default formatting. I copied that word and pasted it into a new Seamonkey HTML-formatted message. Then I saved the message and looked at the source code. Surprise, surprise: that one word turned into 20 kb of garbage. And it's easy to tell that the garbage originated in Word, because, well, things like o: elements (nonstandard), classes named Mso-something (created by Word) and conditional comments (another nonstandard, Microsoft-only technology) What I think is happening... 1. Word places a lot of proprietary garbage on the clipboard yet tags it as HTML 2. Thunderbird/Seamonkey believes the tag and accepts the paste as is. 3. It probably tweaks the content a little in order to mesh with the rest of the HTML-formatted message. 4. Most non-MS mail clients ignore the proprietary garbage and render the message the same as the Seamonkey-user sender intended. 5. Outlook, however, attempts to interpret those remains of the proprietary garbage and fails horribly The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option) to clean it up. Thank you for being the first person to fully explain what is going on in a way I can understand. I'm still not sure what my best solution is but now I better understand the issue. What I often have to do for work is discuss something going on in an e-mail, and there may be some text or data from a word document - say a specification or chart that I want to past in. Often it has formatting, bold, number list etc that I want to preserve so copying to text first means I have to re-apply all the formatting. I wonder if there are any other formatted programs that can clean things up as you suggest without loosing the formating. I've been assuming that you need to preserve the editability of what you pull from Word. If not, why not just attach a screenshot? Or use screen capture software like Snagit: http://www.techsmith.com/snagit.html Good point. I don't know that I necessarily need to preserve the editability, but it is for business and should remain looking professional and be able to be forwarded and reused without any issues (like the attachment loosing the in line status). I think keeping the text as text is probably the best way to do this. Consider printing from Word to a PDF file and then attaching the PDF file to the E-mail message. A pdf version is like a screen-copy ... a detour instead of the real cure of the problem. The real question is (not easy) : What must be done in SM to permit for only Outlook user a correct reading of a mail including a copy/paste from Word ? I have really no idea of feasability. You are suggesting that the Mozilla E-mail components be modified to accomodate the behavior of a Microsoft product when E-mail applications of other developers -- neither Mozilla nor Microsoft -- do not need such a change to Mozilla's components. Yest. BUTWhen i say i have really no idea of feasability i underlining think, that there is no solutions, just detours ... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/6/13 1:27 PM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Trane Francks wrote: Whether SeaMonkey's HTML component is hopelessly borked is not my problem. If we assume that Thunderbird does not exhibit this behaviour when sending mail to Outlook, I'm not sure anyone has verified the behavior on multiple SM platforms even, let alone tried T-Bird. The thread pretty much went blame-game from day 1. Well, it pretty much goes without saying that SM is not sanitizing its input. Any programmer worth his/her weight in salt knows that input validation is crucial to ensuring that the data output has even a minimal chance of being okay. The question isn't whether SM is doing it wrong (it most assuredly is), but whether the problem is SM-specific or is deeper, i.e., Mozilla Core. I can't test/verify it of course, I don't have Word or Outlook. The paste without formatting suggestion seemed to be the best answer. I'm in the same boat: On a Mac, no Word or Outlook. I would have thought the MS Word writes horrible code issue was well known enough ten years ago, that people didn't even try to paste it into another program anymore. People need to understand that what is bad code on the outside is nothing more than Word mark-up on the inside. You can't /really/ blame MS or Word for how the clipboard treats the HTML out of Word, but it does bring to light a very interesting question: Why can Outlook users paste from Word docs and they send/receive without issue? I can only assume that Outlook sanitizes the outgoing HTML, but it's not something I can easily verify. It would be interesting to understand why Word-Outlook-Outlook works and yet Word-SeaMonkey-Outlook doesn't. Meanwhile, people will forever paste from any program to any other program. Why? Because it's supposed to work that way. trane -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Trane Francks wrote: On 8/6/13 1:27 PM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Trane Francks wrote: Whether SeaMonkey's HTML component is hopelessly borked is not my problem. If we assume that Thunderbird does not exhibit this behaviour when sending mail to Outlook, I'm not sure anyone has verified the behavior on multiple SM platforms even, let alone tried T-Bird. The thread pretty much went blame-game from day 1. Well, it pretty much goes without saying that SM is not sanitizing its input. Any programmer worth his/her weight in salt knows that input validation is crucial to ensuring that the data output has even a minimal chance of being okay. The question isn't whether SM is doing it wrong (it most assuredly is), but whether the problem is SM-specific or is deeper, i.e., Mozilla Core. I can't test/verify it of course, I don't have Word or Outlook. The paste without formatting suggestion seemed to be the best answer. I'm in the same boat: On a Mac, no Word or Outlook. I would have thought the MS Word writes horrible code issue was well known enough ten years ago, that people didn't even try to paste it into another program anymore. People need to understand that what is bad code on the outside is nothing more than Word mark-up on the inside. You can't /really/ blame MS or Word for how the clipboard treats the HTML out of Word, but it does bring to light a very interesting question: Why can Outlook users paste from Word docs and they send/receive without issue? I can only assume that Outlook sanitizes the outgoing HTML, but it's not something I can easily verify. It would be interesting to understand why Word-Outlook-Outlook works and yet Word-SeaMonkey-Outlook doesn't. Meanwhile, people will forever paste from any program to any other program. Why? Because it's supposed to work that way. trane I envy your supposed to work reality. IME, Apple wants you to use all Apple stuff, and MS does same. Those of us who venture off into the wild blue yonder and use an open source internet suite need to learn a few tricks here and there, like not pasting formatted things inline when we know it won't work. AFAIC. how it's supposed to work, is the email body is for text only, and you can attach files or link to web pages things from there. But I don't bother mentioning that from the start because supposed to work never helps anybody. f/u set 2 moz.gen GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Ed Mullen wrote, On 05/08/2013 01:43: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 04/08/2013 12:14: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 03/08/2013 13:23: Ray_Net wrote: hawker wrote, On 02/08/2013 21:07: On 8/2/2013 3:03 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else I don't understand your rant. You have a problem converting data from one MS product to another MS product -- and you're upset that someone suggests you consult MS experts for assistance? No I have a problem that the way Seamonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that Seamonky WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is Seamonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a Seamonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in Seamonkey. Don't expect a solution in SM - the developper think they are the best. (if they follow the W3C rules, every other program will be able to read it correctly, or perhaps a rule is broken :-) ) Don't expecte a solution in word nor in outlook - microsoft developpers will say that passing thru SM have killed the clipboard data. Did you notice, above, the OP wrote It looks fine for all other mail clients. So it works for MS Word to SM to Chrome, for MS Word to SM to Opera, etc, but doesn't work for MS Word to SM to MS Outlook... so we *must* blame SM *NOT* So what ? Will his problem be corrected ? SM is not breaking this situation, SM is not making the problem so get MS to fix their situation!! And MS will say .If you use Word-Copy and Outlook-Paste, then send the mail, All will be ok, It's SM that kills the Clipboard data. If you look at it from MS's perspective, as Word as a do-all text processor for documents, text, and HTML, then it makes some sense. Not a lot, but /some/. Assuming (as Word does) that you /might/ be composing an HTML doc, when you highlight, hit Copy, Word assumes you want to also copy all the underlying code along with the text. Okay, in our discussion here, we do NOT want ANY of the underlying code. Still, for users who don't know any better and who use Word to make HTML files this makes some sense. Of course, in the real world (people who actually know what the hell they're doing) it makes no sense at all. I'm not certain of the underlying code and functions in SeaMonkey but I suspect that SM is doing what it probably should: Pasting what's on the Windows clipboard (put there by Word) ... INCLUDING all the crap that MS Word includes. The not-so-elegant answer is to do what's been suggested up-thread: Copy from Word, paste into a plain-text editor (Notepad etc.), highlight, copy, then paste into SM. Arguing about who's right or wrong doesn't solve the issue. This does. Yes, but most of the time, i, also, forgot to do the extra step going thru notepad :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
When you clearly don't understand how the Windows clipboard works, and what functions are available both in Word and in Seamonkey to influence what will be done, why do you go on accusing Microsoft of malversations? Wouldn't it be more reasonable to first study the matter? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
nom...@example.com wrote: When you clearly don't understand how the Windows clipboard works, and what functions are available both in Word and in Seamonkey to influence what will be done, why do you go on accusing Microsoft of malversations? In the absence of any context, it is unclear to whom you refers. Whilst I whole-heartedly approve of your trimming (an example that I sincerely wish others would emulate), I do feel that you have over-done it on this occasion. But to return to the matter under debate : When you refer to functions available in Word and functions available in Seamonkey, it is unclear to what functions you refer. Word offers Copy and Seamonkey offers Paste and Paste without formatting. Only the third of these appears to offer any hope of ameliorating the situation, but that would (by definition) lose the very thing that the orginal enquirer seeks to retain. So could you explain, perhaps by example, exactly to which features of Word and Seamonkey you refer ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/2/2013 9:02 PM, Iceman wrote: On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 13:14:08 -0400, hawker wrote in message news:sn2dnyqt-sb9dwbmnz2dnuvz_qsdn...@mozilla.org: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. How about just mailing the Word document as an attachment? You can put it in a zipfile first, to reduce size. Well what I often have to do for work is discuss something going on, and there may be some text or data from a word document - say a specification that I want to past in. Often it has formatting, bold, number list etc that I want to preserve so copying to text first means I have to re-apply all the formatting. Attaching a snipped of word is not very clean. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/2/2013 8:14 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/08/2013 18:28, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: hawker wrote: No I have a problem that the way SeaMonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that SeaMonkey WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is SeaMonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a SeaMonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in SeaMonkey. Probably not. SeaMonkey is probably being too obedient and capturing all the garbage codes Word supplies instead of stripping them out. For example, I tried pasting one sentence from a Word 2010 document into an HTML composition window in SeaMonkey, and I got this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 p class=MsoBodyTextThe body always operates as an integrated mechanism, and #8220;forms#8221; behavioral or motor acts in strict compliance with the conditions in which it is placed.o:p/o:p/p followed by 423 more lines of code containing 20,044 characters (including spaces). Yes, that's 20 thousand characters, not 20! The sentence itself was well-formed; the only change was that the curly quotes were rendered as HTML character entities, which is not a problem. I confirm this behavior. I started with a *blank* Word document. I typed *one* word in it, with default formatting. I copied that word and pasted it into a new Seamonkey HTML-formatted message. Then I saved the message and looked at the source code. Surprise, surprise: that one word turned into 20 kb of garbage. And it's easy to tell that the garbage originated in Word, because, well, things like o: elements (nonstandard), classes named Mso-something (created by Word) and conditional comments (another nonstandard, Microsoft-only technology) What I think is happening... 1. Word places a lot of proprietary garbage on the clipboard yet tags it as HTML 2. Thunderbird/Seamonkey believes the tag and accepts the paste as is. 3. It probably tweaks the content a little in order to mesh with the rest of the HTML-formatted message. 4. Most non-MS mail clients ignore the proprietary garbage and render the message the same as the Seamonkey-user sender intended. 5. Outlook, however, attempts to interpret those remains of the proprietary garbage and fails horribly The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option) to clean it up. Thank you for being the first person to fully explain what is going on in a way I can understand. I'm still not sure what my best solution is but now I better understand the issue. What I often have to do for work is discuss something going on in an e-mail, and there may be some text or data from a word document - say a specification or chart that I want to past in. Often it has formatting, bold, number list etc that I want to preserve so copying to text first means I have to re-apply all the formatting. I wonder if there are any other formatted programs that can clean things up as you suggest without loosing the formating. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 8:14 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/08/2013 18:28, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: hawker wrote: No I have a problem that the way SeaMonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that SeaMonkey WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is SeaMonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a SeaMonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in SeaMonkey. Probably not. SeaMonkey is probably being too obedient and capturing all the garbage codes Word supplies instead of stripping them out. For example, I tried pasting one sentence from a Word 2010 document into an HTML composition window in SeaMonkey, and I got this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 p class=MsoBodyTextThe body always operates as an integrated mechanism, and #8220;forms#8221; behavioral or motor acts in strict compliance with the conditions in which it is placed.o:p/o:p/p followed by 423 more lines of code containing 20,044 characters (including spaces). Yes, that's 20 thousand characters, not 20! The sentence itself was well-formed; the only change was that the curly quotes were rendered as HTML character entities, which is not a problem. I confirm this behavior. I started with a *blank* Word document. I typed *one* word in it, with default formatting. I copied that word and pasted it into a new Seamonkey HTML-formatted message. Then I saved the message and looked at the source code. Surprise, surprise: that one word turned into 20 kb of garbage. And it's easy to tell that the garbage originated in Word, because, well, things like o: elements (nonstandard), classes named Mso-something (created by Word) and conditional comments (another nonstandard, Microsoft-only technology) What I think is happening... 1. Word places a lot of proprietary garbage on the clipboard yet tags it as HTML 2. Thunderbird/Seamonkey believes the tag and accepts the paste as is. 3. It probably tweaks the content a little in order to mesh with the rest of the HTML-formatted message. 4. Most non-MS mail clients ignore the proprietary garbage and render the message the same as the Seamonkey-user sender intended. 5. Outlook, however, attempts to interpret those remains of the proprietary garbage and fails horribly The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option) to clean it up. Thank you for being the first person to fully explain what is going on in a way I can understand. I'm still not sure what my best solution is but now I better understand the issue. What I often have to do for work is discuss something going on in an e-mail, and there may be some text or data from a word document - say a specification or chart that I want to past in. Often it has formatting, bold, number list etc that I want to preserve so copying to text first means I have to re-apply all the formatting. I wonder if there are any other formatted programs that can clean things up as you suggest without loosing the formating. I've been assuming that you need to preserve the editability of what you pull from Word. If not, why not just attach a screenshot? Or use screen capture software like Snagit: http://www.techsmith.com/snagit.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/5/2013 12:37 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 8:14 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/08/2013 18:28, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: hawker wrote: No I have a problem that the way SeaMonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that SeaMonkey WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is SeaMonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a SeaMonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in SeaMonkey. Probably not. SeaMonkey is probably being too obedient and capturing all the garbage codes Word supplies instead of stripping them out. For example, I tried pasting one sentence from a Word 2010 document into an HTML composition window in SeaMonkey, and I got this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 p class=MsoBodyTextThe body always operates as an integrated mechanism, and #8220;forms#8221; behavioral or motor acts in strict compliance with the conditions in which it is placed.o:p/o:p/p followed by 423 more lines of code containing 20,044 characters (including spaces). Yes, that's 20 thousand characters, not 20! The sentence itself was well-formed; the only change was that the curly quotes were rendered as HTML character entities, which is not a problem. I confirm this behavior. I started with a *blank* Word document. I typed *one* word in it, with default formatting. I copied that word and pasted it into a new Seamonkey HTML-formatted message. Then I saved the message and looked at the source code. Surprise, surprise: that one word turned into 20 kb of garbage. And it's easy to tell that the garbage originated in Word, because, well, things like o: elements (nonstandard), classes named Mso-something (created by Word) and conditional comments (another nonstandard, Microsoft-only technology) What I think is happening... 1. Word places a lot of proprietary garbage on the clipboard yet tags it as HTML 2. Thunderbird/Seamonkey believes the tag and accepts the paste as is. 3. It probably tweaks the content a little in order to mesh with the rest of the HTML-formatted message. 4. Most non-MS mail clients ignore the proprietary garbage and render the message the same as the Seamonkey-user sender intended. 5. Outlook, however, attempts to interpret those remains of the proprietary garbage and fails horribly The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option) to clean it up. Thank you for being the first person to fully explain what is going on in a way I can understand. I'm still not sure what my best solution is but now I better understand the issue. What I often have to do for work is discuss something going on in an e-mail, and there may be some text or data from a word document - say a specification or chart that I want to past in. Often it has formatting, bold, number list etc that I want to preserve so copying to text first means I have to re-apply all the formatting. I wonder if there are any other formatted programs that can clean things up as you suggest without loosing the formating. I've been assuming that you need to preserve the editability of what you pull from Word. If not, why not just attach a screenshot? Or use screen capture software like Snagit: http://www.techsmith.com/snagit.html Good point. I don't know that I necessarily need to preserve the editability, but it is for business and should remain looking professional and be able to be forwarded and reused without any issues (like the attachment loosing the in line status). I think keeping the text as text is probably the best way to do this. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/5/13 9:59 AM, hawker wrote: On 8/5/2013 12:37 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 8:14 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/08/2013 18:28, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: hawker wrote: No I have a problem that the way SeaMonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that SeaMonkey WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is SeaMonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a SeaMonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in SeaMonkey. Probably not. SeaMonkey is probably being too obedient and capturing all the garbage codes Word supplies instead of stripping them out. For example, I tried pasting one sentence from a Word 2010 document into an HTML composition window in SeaMonkey, and I got this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 p class=MsoBodyTextThe body always operates as an integrated mechanism, and #8220;forms#8221; behavioral or motor acts in strict compliance with the conditions in which it is placed.o:p/o:p/p followed by 423 more lines of code containing 20,044 characters (including spaces). Yes, that's 20 thousand characters, not 20! The sentence itself was well-formed; the only change was that the curly quotes were rendered as HTML character entities, which is not a problem. I confirm this behavior. I started with a *blank* Word document. I typed *one* word in it, with default formatting. I copied that word and pasted it into a new Seamonkey HTML-formatted message. Then I saved the message and looked at the source code. Surprise, surprise: that one word turned into 20 kb of garbage. And it's easy to tell that the garbage originated in Word, because, well, things like o: elements (nonstandard), classes named Mso-something (created by Word) and conditional comments (another nonstandard, Microsoft-only technology) What I think is happening... 1. Word places a lot of proprietary garbage on the clipboard yet tags it as HTML 2. Thunderbird/Seamonkey believes the tag and accepts the paste as is. 3. It probably tweaks the content a little in order to mesh with the rest of the HTML-formatted message. 4. Most non-MS mail clients ignore the proprietary garbage and render the message the same as the Seamonkey-user sender intended. 5. Outlook, however, attempts to interpret those remains of the proprietary garbage and fails horribly The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option) to clean it up. Thank you for being the first person to fully explain what is going on in a way I can understand. I'm still not sure what my best solution is but now I better understand the issue. What I often have to do for work is discuss something going on in an e-mail, and there may be some text or data from a word document - say a specification or chart that I want to past in. Often it has formatting, bold, number list etc that I want to preserve so copying to text first means I have to re-apply all the formatting. I wonder if there are any other formatted programs that can clean things up as you suggest without loosing the formating. I've been assuming that you need to preserve the editability of what you pull from Word. If not, why not just attach a screenshot? Or use screen capture software like Snagit: http://www.techsmith.com/snagit.html Good point. I don't know that I necessarily need to preserve the editability, but it is for business and should remain looking professional and be able to be forwarded and reused without any issues (like the attachment loosing the in line status). I think keeping the text as text is probably the best way to do this. Consider printing from Word to a PDF file and then attaching the PDF file to the E-mail message. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Concerned about someone (e.g., the government) snooping into your E-mail? Use PGP. See my http://www.rossde.com/PGP/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
David E. Ross wrote, On 06/08/2013 01:51: On 8/5/13 9:59 AM, hawker wrote: On 8/5/2013 12:37 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 8:14 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/08/2013 18:28, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: hawker wrote: No I have a problem that the way SeaMonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that SeaMonkey WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is SeaMonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a SeaMonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in SeaMonkey. Probably not. SeaMonkey is probably being too obedient and capturing all the garbage codes Word supplies instead of stripping them out. For example, I tried pasting one sentence from a Word 2010 document into an HTML composition window in SeaMonkey, and I got this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 p class=MsoBodyTextThe body always operates as an integrated mechanism, and #8220;forms#8221; behavioral or motor acts in strict compliance with the conditions in which it is placed.o:p/o:p/p followed by 423 more lines of code containing 20,044 characters (including spaces). Yes, that's 20 thousand characters, not 20! The sentence itself was well-formed; the only change was that the curly quotes were rendered as HTML character entities, which is not a problem. I confirm this behavior. I started with a *blank* Word document. I typed *one* word in it, with default formatting. I copied that word and pasted it into a new Seamonkey HTML-formatted message. Then I saved the message and looked at the source code. Surprise, surprise: that one word turned into 20 kb of garbage. And it's easy to tell that the garbage originated in Word, because, well, things like o: elements (nonstandard), classes named Mso-something (created by Word) and conditional comments (another nonstandard, Microsoft-only technology) What I think is happening... 1. Word places a lot of proprietary garbage on the clipboard yet tags it as HTML 2. Thunderbird/Seamonkey believes the tag and accepts the paste as is. 3. It probably tweaks the content a little in order to mesh with the rest of the HTML-formatted message. 4. Most non-MS mail clients ignore the proprietary garbage and render the message the same as the Seamonkey-user sender intended. 5. Outlook, however, attempts to interpret those remains of the proprietary garbage and fails horribly The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option) to clean it up. Thank you for being the first person to fully explain what is going on in a way I can understand. I'm still not sure what my best solution is but now I better understand the issue. What I often have to do for work is discuss something going on in an e-mail, and there may be some text or data from a word document - say a specification or chart that I want to past in. Often it has formatting, bold, number list etc that I want to preserve so copying to text first means I have to re-apply all the formatting. I wonder if there are any other formatted programs that can clean things up as you suggest without loosing the formating. I've been assuming that you need to preserve the editability of what you pull from Word. If not, why not just attach a screenshot? Or use screen capture software like Snagit: http://www.techsmith.com/snagit.html Good point. I don't know that I necessarily need to preserve the editability, but it is for business and should remain looking professional and be able to be forwarded and reused without any issues (like the attachment loosing the in line status). I think keeping the text as text is probably the best way to do this. Consider printing from Word to a PDF file and then attaching the PDF file to the E-mail message. A pdf version is like a screen-copy ... a detour instead of the real cure of the problem. The real question is (not easy) : What must be done in SM to permit for only Outlook user a correct reading of a mail including a copy/paste from Word ? I have really no idea of feasability. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
David E. Ross wrote: hawker wrote: I don't know that I necessarily need to preserve the editability, but it is for business and should remain looking professional and be able to be forwarded and reused without any issues... Consider printing from Word to a PDF file and then attaching the PDF file to the E-mail message. +1 GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
David E. Ross wrote: On 8/5/13 9:59 AM, hawker wrote: Good point. I don't know that I necessarily need to preserve the editability, but it is for business and should remain looking professional and be able to be forwarded and reused without any issues (like the attachment losing the in line status). I think keeping the text as text is probably the best way to do this. Consider printing from Word to a PDF file and then attaching the PDF file to the E-mail message. If you're going that route, you don't need to attach the whole PDF (especially in case of a large file with only a small area of interest). Just use Adobe's snapshot tool to select and copy an image of the relevant part of the page, and paste it into your email as a graphic. Note: The resolution of the resulting image depends on the zoom level in Adobe Acrobat. If the area you want to capture is large and hard to select at a high zoom level, zoom out to select it with the snapshot tool, then zoom in to say 400% and do CTRL-C (or Mac equivalent) to copy the same region at higher resolution (it remains selected until you release it). When you paste it into SeaMonkey, you may have to resize it, but you won't lose the resolution. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/6/13 9:08 AM +0900, Ray_Net wrote: A pdf version is like a screen-copy ... a detour instead of the real cure of the problem. The real question is (not easy) : What must be done in SM to permit for only Outlook user a correct reading of a mail including a copy/paste from Word ? If I had to hazard a guess, I suspect that SeaMonkey would need to have its HTML mail tightened up to ensure that it sanitized any HTML being pasted into an e-mail. So, the problem is on both ends: Outlook is too dense to properly ignore the non-standard HTML tags, and SeaMonkey isn't doing its job in ensuring that the HTML being sent is legit. Is it doable? Yes. Those bothered by the problem should drop by Bugzilla and submit a bug. Cheers, trane -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Trane Francks wrote: On 8/6/13 9:08 AM +0900, Ray_Net wrote: A pdf version is like a screen-copy ... a detour instead of the real cure of the problem. The real question is (not easy) : What must be done in SM to permit for only Outlook user a correct reading of a mail including a copy/paste from Word ? If I had to hazard a guess, I suspect that SeaMonkey would need to have its HTML mail tightened up to ensure that it sanitized any HTML being pasted into an e-mail. So, the problem is on both ends: Outlook is too dense to properly ignore the non-standard HTML tags, and SeaMonkey isn't doing its job in ensuring that the HTML being sent is legit. Is it doable? Yes. Those bothered by the problem should drop by Bugzilla and submit a bug. You may not be aware, but Composer (the HTML composition app in the SeaMonkey suite) was abandoned years ago and is no longer maintained, but is still used to support HTML mail composition. So any bug you file against it is unlikely to get a response. If it's really important to you to get clean, W3C-compliant code, you should compose it elsewhere and copy/paste it into the SM message (Insert... HTML). But for most practical purposes, it's probably more trouble than it's worth. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/5/13 5:08 PM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote, On 06/08/2013 01:51: On 8/5/13 9:59 AM, hawker wrote: On 8/5/2013 12:37 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 8:14 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/08/2013 18:28, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: hawker wrote: No I have a problem that the way SeaMonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that SeaMonkey WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is SeaMonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a SeaMonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in SeaMonkey. Probably not. SeaMonkey is probably being too obedient and capturing all the garbage codes Word supplies instead of stripping them out. For example, I tried pasting one sentence from a Word 2010 document into an HTML composition window in SeaMonkey, and I got this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 p class=MsoBodyTextThe body always operates as an integrated mechanism, and #8220;forms#8221; behavioral or motor acts in strict compliance with the conditions in which it is placed.o:p/o:p/p followed by 423 more lines of code containing 20,044 characters (including spaces). Yes, that's 20 thousand characters, not 20! The sentence itself was well-formed; the only change was that the curly quotes were rendered as HTML character entities, which is not a problem. I confirm this behavior. I started with a *blank* Word document. I typed *one* word in it, with default formatting. I copied that word and pasted it into a new Seamonkey HTML-formatted message. Then I saved the message and looked at the source code. Surprise, surprise: that one word turned into 20 kb of garbage. And it's easy to tell that the garbage originated in Word, because, well, things like o: elements (nonstandard), classes named Mso-something (created by Word) and conditional comments (another nonstandard, Microsoft-only technology) What I think is happening... 1. Word places a lot of proprietary garbage on the clipboard yet tags it as HTML 2. Thunderbird/Seamonkey believes the tag and accepts the paste as is. 3. It probably tweaks the content a little in order to mesh with the rest of the HTML-formatted message. 4. Most non-MS mail clients ignore the proprietary garbage and render the message the same as the Seamonkey-user sender intended. 5. Outlook, however, attempts to interpret those remains of the proprietary garbage and fails horribly The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option) to clean it up. Thank you for being the first person to fully explain what is going on in a way I can understand. I'm still not sure what my best solution is but now I better understand the issue. What I often have to do for work is discuss something going on in an e-mail, and there may be some text or data from a word document - say a specification or chart that I want to past in. Often it has formatting, bold, number list etc that I want to preserve so copying to text first means I have to re-apply all the formatting. I wonder if there are any other formatted programs that can clean things up as you suggest without loosing the formating. I've been assuming that you need to preserve the editability of what you pull from Word. If not, why not just attach a screenshot? Or use screen capture software like Snagit: http://www.techsmith.com/snagit.html Good point. I don't know that I necessarily need to preserve the editability, but it is for business and should remain looking professional and be able to be forwarded and reused without any issues (like the attachment loosing the in line status). I think keeping the text as text is probably the best way to do this. Consider printing from Word to a PDF file and then attaching the PDF file to the E-mail message. A pdf version is like a screen-copy ... a detour instead of the real cure of the problem. The real question is (not easy) : What must be done in SM to permit for only Outlook user a correct reading of a mail including a copy/paste from Word ? I have really no idea of feasability. You are suggesting that the Mozilla E-mail components be modified to accomodate the behavior of a Microsoft product when E-mail applications of other developers -- neither Mozilla nor Microsoft -- do not need such a change to Mozilla's components. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Concerned about someone (e.g., the government) snooping into your E-mail? Use PGP. See my http://www.rossde.com/PGP/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/6/13 11:51 AM +0900, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: You may not be aware, but Composer (the HTML composition app in the SeaMonkey suite) was abandoned years ago and is no longer maintained, but is still used to support HTML mail composition. So any bug you file against it is unlikely to get a response. If it's really important to you to get clean, W3C-compliant code, you should compose it elsewhere and copy/paste it into the SM message (Insert... HTML). But for most practical purposes, it's probably more trouble than it's worth. Whether SeaMonkey's HTML component is hopelessly borked is not my problem. If we assume that Thunderbird does not exhibit this behaviour when sending mail to Outlook, SM devs would do well to examine the issue. It's not my bug, mind. I'm not the OP, so if somebody else wants to submit a bug, more power to 'em. I've got my own collection of bugs about which to worry. :) Cheers, trane -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Trane Francks wrote: On 8/6/13 11:51 AM +0900, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: You may not be aware, but Composer (the HTML composition app in the SeaMonkey suite) was abandoned years ago and is no longer maintained, but is still used to support HTML mail composition. So any bug you file against it is unlikely to get a response. If it's really important to you to get clean, W3C-compliant code, you should compose it elsewhere and copy/paste it into the SM message (Insert... HTML). But for most practical purposes, it's probably more trouble than it's worth. Whether SeaMonkey's HTML component is hopelessly borked is not my problem. If we assume that Thunderbird does not exhibit this behaviour when sending mail to Outlook, I'm not sure anyone has verified the behavior on multiple SM platforms even, let alone tried T-Bird. The thread pretty much went blame-game from day 1. I can't test/verify it of course, I don't have Word or Outlook. The paste without formatting suggestion seemed to be the best answer. I would have thought the MS Word writes horrible code issue was well known enough ten years ago, that people didn't even try to paste it into another program anymore. GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Trane Francks wrote: On 8/6/13 11:51 AM +0900, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: You may not be aware, but Composer (the HTML composition app in the SeaMonkey suite) was abandoned years ago and is no longer maintained, but is still used to support HTML mail composition. So any bug you file against it is unlikely to get a response. If it's really important to you to get clean, W3C-compliant code, you should compose it elsewhere and copy/paste it into the SM message (Insert... HTML). But for most practical purposes, it's probably more trouble than it's worth. Whether SeaMonkey's HTML component is hopelessly borked is not my problem. If we assume that Thunderbird does not exhibit this behaviour when sending mail to Outlook, SM devs would do well to examine the issue. If it does, I agree, but I have no way of knowing since I don't have TB. (my last chest X-ray was clear ;-) ) The HTML component of which we speak is not the one that renders web pages in the browser, mind you. That one works pretty well and is actively supported. It's not my bug, mind. I'm not the OP, so if somebody else wants to submit a bug, more power to 'em. I've got my own collection of bugs about which to worry. :) Fair enough. I's jis' sayin'... -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Daniel wrote, On 04/08/2013 12:14: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 03/08/2013 13:23: Ray_Net wrote: hawker wrote, On 02/08/2013 21:07: On 8/2/2013 3:03 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else I don't understand your rant. You have a problem converting data from one MS product to another MS product -- and you're upset that someone suggests you consult MS experts for assistance? No I have a problem that the way Seamonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that Seamonky WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is Seamonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a Seamonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in Seamonkey. Don't expect a solution in SM - the developper think they are the best. (if they follow the W3C rules, every other program will be able to read it correctly, or perhaps a rule is broken :-) ) Don't expecte a solution in word nor in outlook - microsoft developpers will say that passing thru SM have killed the clipboard data. Did you notice, above, the OP wrote It looks fine for all other mail clients. So it works for MS Word to SM to Chrome, for MS Word to SM to Opera, etc, but doesn't work for MS Word to SM to MS Outlook... so we *must* blame SM *NOT* So what ? Will his problem be corrected ? SM is not breaking this situation, SM is not making the problem so get MS to fix their situation!! And MS will say .If you use Word-Copy and Outlook-Paste, then send the mail, All will be ok, It's SM that kills the Clipboard data. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 04/08/2013 12:14: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 03/08/2013 13:23: Ray_Net wrote: hawker wrote, On 02/08/2013 21:07: On 8/2/2013 3:03 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else I don't understand your rant. You have a problem converting data from one MS product to another MS product -- and you're upset that someone suggests you consult MS experts for assistance? No I have a problem that the way Seamonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that Seamonky WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is Seamonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a Seamonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in Seamonkey. Don't expect a solution in SM - the developper think they are the best. (if they follow the W3C rules, every other program will be able to read it correctly, or perhaps a rule is broken :-) ) Don't expecte a solution in word nor in outlook - microsoft developpers will say that passing thru SM have killed the clipboard data. Did you notice, above, the OP wrote It looks fine for all other mail clients. So it works for MS Word to SM to Chrome, for MS Word to SM to Opera, etc, but doesn't work for MS Word to SM to MS Outlook... so we *must* blame SM *NOT* So what ? Will his problem be corrected ? SM is not breaking this situation, SM is not making the problem so get MS to fix their situation!! And MS will say .If you use Word-Copy and Outlook-Paste, then send the mail, All will be ok, It's SM that kills the Clipboard data. If you look at it from MS's perspective, as Word as a do-all text processor for documents, text, and HTML, then it makes some sense. Not a lot, but /some/. Assuming (as Word does) that you /might/ be composing an HTML doc, when you highlight, hit Copy, Word assumes you want to also copy all the underlying code along with the text. Okay, in our discussion here, we do NOT want ANY of the underlying code. Still, for users who don't know any better and who use Word to make HTML files this makes some sense. Of course, in the real world (people who actually know what the hell they're doing) it makes no sense at all. I'm not certain of the underlying code and functions in SeaMonkey but I suspect that SM is doing what it probably should: Pasting what's on the Windows clipboard (put there by Word) ... INCLUDING all the crap that MS Word includes. The not-so-elegant answer is to do what's been suggested up-thread: Copy from Word, paste into a plain-text editor (Notepad etc.), highlight, copy, then paste into SM. Arguing about who's right or wrong doesn't solve the issue. This does. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time, but not to their crotch when they ask where the toilet is? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 13:14:08 -0400, hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? In your copy of MS Word, go to File Save as and check whether the Save as type drop-down has an option Web page, Filtered. Screen-shot: http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/6291/jgbc.png If it does, then here is something you can do: 1. Save the MS Word document as a .htm file using Web page, Filtered and not Web page. 2. Open the saved .htm file in SM and copy from there. -- Kind regards Ralph ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Ray_Net wrote: hawker wrote, On 02/08/2013 21:07: On 8/2/2013 3:03 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else I don't understand your rant. You have a problem converting data from one MS product to another MS product -- and you're upset that someone suggests you consult MS experts for assistance? No I have a problem that the way Seamonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that Seamonky WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is Seamonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a Seamonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in Seamonkey. Don't expect a solution in SM - the developper think they are the best. (if they follow the W3C rules, every other program will be able to read it correctly, or perhaps a rule is broken :-) ) Don't expecte a solution in word nor in outlook - microsoft developpers will say that passing thru SM have killed the clipboard data. Did you notice, above, the OP wrote It looks fine for all other mail clients. So it works for MS Word to SM to Chrome, for MS Word to SM to Opera, etc, but doesn't work for MS Word to SM to MS Outlook... so we *must* blame SM *NOT* -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:21.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/21.0 SeaMonkey/2.18 Build identifier: 20130418192405 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.20 Build identifier: 20130709211044 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Daniel wrote, On 03/08/2013 13:23: Ray_Net wrote: hawker wrote, On 02/08/2013 21:07: On 8/2/2013 3:03 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else I don't understand your rant. You have a problem converting data from one MS product to another MS product -- and you're upset that someone suggests you consult MS experts for assistance? No I have a problem that the way Seamonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that Seamonky WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is Seamonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a Seamonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in Seamonkey. Don't expect a solution in SM - the developper think they are the best. (if they follow the W3C rules, every other program will be able to read it correctly, or perhaps a rule is broken :-) ) Don't expecte a solution in word nor in outlook - microsoft developpers will say that passing thru SM have killed the clipboard data. Did you notice, above, the OP wrote It looks fine for all other mail clients. So it works for MS Word to SM to Chrome, for MS Word to SM to Opera, etc, but doesn't work for MS Word to SM to MS Outlook... so we *must* blame SM *NOT* So what ? Will his problem be corrected ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 03/08/2013 13:23: Ray_Net wrote: [biggasnip] Don't expect a solution in SM - the developper think they are the best. (if they follow the W3C rules, every other program will be able to read it correctly, or perhaps a rule is broken :-) ) Don't expecte a solution in word nor in outlook - microsoft developpers will say that passing thru SM have killed the clipboard data. Did you notice, above, the OP wrote It looks fine for all other mail clients. So it works for MS Word to SM to Chrome, for MS Word to SM to Opera, etc, but doesn't work for MS Word to SM to MS Outlook... so we *must* blame SM *NOT* So what ? Will his problem be corrected ? How good are you at getting MS Outlook to correct bugs? -- -bts -developer has but one p ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else I don't understand your rant. You have a problem converting data from one MS product to another MS product -- and you're upset that someone suggests you consult MS experts for assistance? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On 8/2/2013 3:03 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else I don't understand your rant. You have a problem converting data from one MS product to another MS product -- and you're upset that someone suggests you consult MS experts for assistance? No I have a problem that the way Seamonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that Seamonky WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is Seamonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a Seamonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in Seamonkey. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
hawker wrote, On 02/08/2013 21:07: On 8/2/2013 3:03 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else I don't understand your rant. You have a problem converting data from one MS product to another MS product -- and you're upset that someone suggests you consult MS experts for assistance? No I have a problem that the way Seamonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that Seamonky WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is Seamonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a Seamonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in Seamonkey. Don't expect a solution in SM - the developper think they are the best. (if they follow the W3C rules, every other program will be able to read it correctly, or perhaps a rule is broken :-) ) Don't expecte a solution in word nor in outlook - microsoft developpers will say that passing thru SM have killed the clipboard data. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
hawker wrote: No I have a problem that the way SeaMonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that SeaMonkey WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is SeaMonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a SeaMonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in SeaMonkey. Probably not. SeaMonkey is probably being too obedient and capturing all the garbage codes Word supplies instead of stripping them out. For example, I tried pasting one sentence from a Word 2010 document into an HTML composition window in SeaMonkey, and I got this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 p class=MsoBodyTextThe body always operates as an integrated mechanism, and #8220;forms#8221; behavioral or motor acts in strict compliance with the conditions in which it is placed.o:p/o:p/p followed by 423 more lines of code containing 20,044 characters (including spaces). Yes, that's 20 thousand characters, not 20! The sentence itself was well-formed; the only change was that the curly quotes were rendered as HTML character entities, which is not a problem. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Interviewed by CNN on 02/08/2013 18:28, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: hawker wrote: No I have a problem that the way SeaMonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that SeaMonkey WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is SeaMonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a SeaMonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in SeaMonkey. Probably not. SeaMonkey is probably being too obedient and capturing all the garbage codes Word supplies instead of stripping them out. For example, I tried pasting one sentence from a Word 2010 document into an HTML composition window in SeaMonkey, and I got this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 p class=MsoBodyTextThe body always operates as an integrated mechanism, and #8220;forms#8221; behavioral or motor acts in strict compliance with the conditions in which it is placed.o:p/o:p/p followed by 423 more lines of code containing 20,044 characters (including spaces). Yes, that's 20 thousand characters, not 20! The sentence itself was well-formed; the only change was that the curly quotes were rendered as HTML character entities, which is not a problem. I confirm this behavior. I started with a *blank* Word document. I typed *one* word in it, with default formatting. I copied that word and pasted it into a new Seamonkey HTML-formatted message. Then I saved the message and looked at the source code. Surprise, surprise: that one word turned into 20 kb of garbage. And it's easy to tell that the garbage originated in Word, because, well, things like o: elements (nonstandard), classes named Mso-something (created by Word) and conditional comments (another nonstandard, Microsoft-only technology) What I think is happening... 1. Word places a lot of proprietary garbage on the clipboard yet tags it as HTML 2. Thunderbird/Seamonkey believes the tag and accepts the paste as is. 3. It probably tweaks the content a little in order to mesh with the rest of the HTML-formatted message. 4. Most non-MS mail clients ignore the proprietary garbage and render the message the same as the Seamonkey-user sender intended. 5. Outlook, however, attempts to interpret those remains of the proprietary garbage and fails horribly The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option) to clean it up. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my VAX. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.17 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 13:14:08 -0400, hawker wrote in message news:sn2dnyqt-sb9dwbmnz2dnuvz_qsdn...@mozilla.org: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. How about just mailing the Word document as an attachment? You can put it in a zipfile first, to reduce size. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
MCBastos wrote: The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option) to clean it up. Until that happens the OP can obtain PureText: http://stevemiller.net/puretext/ Set it to run on startup. Thereafter any text pasted from the clipboard (using its hotkey WINDOWS+V)is stripped of everything except new-lines/carriage returns/tabs/other white-space. LJ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Iceman wrote: On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 13:14:08 -0400, hawker wrote in message news:sn2dnyqt-sb9dwbmnz2dnuvz_qsdn...@mozilla.org: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. How about just mailing the Word document as an attachment? You can put it in a zipfile first, to reduce size. Not everyone has Word, or the ability to decipher its gibberish of code. If all you're trying to do is send text, don't use Word. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ OK: Moths and sweaters. I just don't get the attraction. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Lemuel Johnson wrote: MCBastos wrote: The only way I see for fixing it from the Mozilla end would be to add code for detecting MS proprietary garbage in the clipboard and run it through a sanitizer (something like HTMLtidy with the -word2000 option) to clean it up. Until that happens the OP can obtain PureText: http://stevemiller.net/puretext/ Set it to run on startup. Thereafter any text pasted from the clipboard (using its hotkey WINDOWS+V)is stripped of everything except new-lines/carriage returns/tabs/other white-space. LJ Or, as suggested by someone else here, copy in Word, paste it into Notepad or some other plain-text editor, re-select it, copy, then paste it into Mozilla's editor. Nothing but text is the result. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ OK: Moths and sweaters. I just don't get the attraction. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
