Re: Edit Message as new did not show html bar
Bug submitted -> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1274799 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Edit Message as new did not show html bar
I have been told, that If I send a message in plain text when I click on it in the sent folder then choice "Edit Message as New" that it is normal that The HTML bar is not present because SM cannot transform a plain text message into an html one, so, forgot to use html gadget when you want to add text. This is not normal, my default message composition is in HTML, so when i do "Edit Message as New" the html bar MUST be present. Don't say that SM cannot transform..etc BECAUSE when I receive a message un plain-text: - Edit Message as New > HTML bar not present. - Reply > HTML bar present. So - Don't says that SM cannot xform a plain-text text into an html text !!! It's a SM bug that the html bar is not present when we do: Edit Message as New. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot write in html when "Edit message as New" a plain text mail
(Apologies for the duplicate, Ray - I accidentally replied to your address instead of the list) Ray_Net wrote: I will explain with a test: - My "Send Format" option is set to: Ask me what to do (html, plain text or both) - I compose a new mail the "Format menu" is accessible and the HTML gadget ribbon is visible and usable. - I did not use any html options/gadgets. - The mail is sent in plain text without asking me what to do. I think I recall that being discussed here before, and it's an intentional feature. Basically the default options are to compose in HTML format so people can use formatting, and a lot of people probably don't bother to change that option (some perhaps don't even know about or understand it). If no formatting is actually applied, sending as plain text makes for a smaller email size; some mailing lists insist on plain text only, or remove HTML formatted parts from messages. - So I have now a sent mail in plain text. I select it and I use in the menu "Edit Message as New". So this mail is presented to me - BUT the "Format" menu is not present and the HTML gadget ribbon is not present. That's my problem. This sounds like: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78794 For what it's worth, it also affects composing a new email when the "compose messages in HTML format" option is disabled (so plain text is the default format) - there's no Options > Format menu. In that case there's a workaround to hold shift while clicking "compose" (or reply, forward, etc.) on the toolbar - but that doesn't seem to be possible for "edit as new" since there's no toolbar button for that. Supposing that I had sent this mail to someone ... and I want to sent this same mail to another person, and I want to put some word in RED .. It's impossible. Same problem if I use "Edit Message as New" of a plain text received mail. Is using "forward" instead a usable workaround? Not ideal, I agree, but you can delete the redundant "Fwd:" in the subject line and "Forwarded Message" section above the main text. I'm not sure if it adds anything else you wouldn't want - perhaps an extra signature if you have a signature set. That's what I usually do anyway, since I forget about the "edit as new" option! No problem when doing a forward of a plain text mail found in the Sent folder or in the input box - the "Format menu" is accessible and the HTML gadget ribbon is visible and usable. Yep, that'll forward in your default compose format, which seems to be HTML. For me, since my default is to compose in plain text, forwarding defaults to plain text even if the original was HTML; if I want to preserve formatting I shift+click "forward" to forward as HTML instead (if you shift+click, you'll probably get plain text - i.e. the opposite of your default - and find that there's no Options > Format menu there either). "Edit Message as New" must permit me to use HTML options/gadgets. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Cannot write in html when "Edit message as New" a plain text mail
I will explain with a test: - My "Send Format" option is set to: Ask me what to do (html, plain text or both) - I compose a new mail the "Format menu" is accessible and the HTML gadget ribbon is visible and usable. - I did not use any html options/gadgets. - The mail is sent in plain text without asking me what to do. - So I have now a sent mail in plain text. I select it and I use in the menu "Edit Message as New". So this mail is presented to me - BUT the "Format" menu is not present and the HTML gadget ribbon is not present. That's my problem. Supposing that I had sent this mail to someone ... and I want to sent this same mail to another person, and I want to put some word in RED .. It's impossible. Same problem if I use "Edit Message as New" of a plain text received mail. No problem when doing a forward of a plain text mail found in the Sent folder or in the input box - the "Format menu" is accessible and the HTML gadget ribbon is visible and usable. "Edit Message as New" must permit me to use HTML options/gadgets. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new
Bill Davidsen wrote, On 04/02/2013 19:11: W3BNR wrote: On 2/3/2013 11:37 AM Ray_Net submitted the following: W3BNR wrote, On 03/02/2013 15:53: Is there any way to have SM NOT keep the message addresses when using the 'Edit message as new' function? "Edit" - "Select" - "All" Then click on "Message" - "New Message" Paste into body text. Fill in the Subject Put one or more mail adress(es) That's the way I've been doing it when there are a number of addresses is the original. One or two I don't mind erasing with the 'edit msg as new'. But I'd like to be able to 'one click' on the 'edit message as new' and not have the old address inserted. I would love to have a one click "delete recipients" or be able to select the first, hit alt-ctrl-End to select to the last and then delete. Hate to say it, but select-all doesn't do quite the same thing with attach and inlined images, at least I don't find a way to always do the right thing. Correct ... perhaps a "Forward" action, removing the "FW:" string and the following stuff (an example) Original Message Subject:Re: Edit message as new Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:11:09 -0500 From: Bill Davidsen Organization: TMR Associates, Inc Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey References: <2m-dnr8c16hq5jpmnz2dnuvz_sqdn...@mozilla.org> ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new
W3BNR wrote: On 2/3/2013 11:37 AM Ray_Net submitted the following: W3BNR wrote, On 03/02/2013 15:53: Is there any way to have SM NOT keep the message addresses when using the 'Edit message as new' function? "Edit" - "Select" - "All" Then click on "Message" - "New Message" Paste into body text. Fill in the Subject Put one or more mail adress(es) That's the way I've been doing it when there are a number of addresses is the original. One or two I don't mind erasing with the 'edit msg as new'. But I'd like to be able to 'one click' on the 'edit message as new' and not have the old address inserted. I would love to have a one click "delete recipients" or be able to select the first, hit alt-ctrl-End to select to the last and then delete. Hate to say it, but select-all doesn't do quite the same thing with attach and inlined images, at least I don't find a way to always do the right thing. -- Bill Davidsen We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new
On 2/3/2013 11:37 AM Ray_Net submitted the following: > W3BNR wrote, On 03/02/2013 15:53: >> Is there any way to have SM NOT keep the message addresses when using the >> 'Edit message as new' function? >> > "Edit" - "Select" - "All" > Then click on "Message" - "New Message" > Paste into body text. > Fill in the Subject > Put one or more mail adress(es) > > That's the way I've been doing it when there are a number of addresses is the original. One or two I don't mind erasing with the 'edit msg as new'. But I'd like to be able to 'one click' on the 'edit message as new' and not have the old address inserted. -- Ed "The self-hatred that destroys is the waste of unfulfilled promise." -Moss Hart ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new
W3BNR wrote, On 03/02/2013 15:53: Is there any way to have SM NOT keep the message addresses when using the 'Edit message as new' function? "Edit" - "Select" - "All" Then click on "Message" - "New Message" Paste into body text. Fill in the Subject Put one or more mail adress(es) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Edit message as new
Is there any way to have SM NOT keep the message addresses when using the 'Edit message as new' function? -- Ed ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
On Mar 27, 9:16 am, Ray_Net wrote: > When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to > someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder" > BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new mail > for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail. This is > ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject. > > The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text ..g. the > HTML bar is absent > > Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which > will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX". ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
PhillipJones wrote, On 30/03/2012 15:13: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 30/03/2012 03:17: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 29/03/2012 16:03: Ray_Net wrote: Philipp van Hüllen wrote, On 27/03/2012 22:19: Ray_Net schrieb: When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder" BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new mail for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail. This is ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject. The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text ..g. the HTML bar is absent Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX". Some test results: - When creating a new mail from scratch, the editor window shows the configured default behavior per account (HTML / plain text). - When shift-clicking on the "new" button, I get the reversed default. (Just as it should.) - However, when I send, they all end up with the account default. (Though I just did a few checks, no complete test suite.) - Ah, I had to add some actual HTML-content (table). Now it sends & saves the HTML mail as HTML. (Some magic auto-converter to plain text at work, unless there's actual HTML content?) - The now saved-as-HTML-mail I can re-edit as HTML without a problem. (Cmd-E, context menu, message menu.) I don't have any settings related to HTML/plain receivers. SM should ask, if it's not sure. (Which I do remember it doing, but haven't seen today.) I admit, I usually use plain text for most of my mails, so did not notice anything until trying the above. Ah: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120322 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 How's it working for others? Philipp Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent mail present in the sent folder ? Or, more particularly, "Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent *PLAIN TEXT* mail present in the sent folder ? That is, when a user chooses to send an e-mail in both HTML and Plain, is the copy saved in the sent folder only as a Plain Text version?? You are nearly true . I have done some text and i find that effectively evenwhile looking as an html mail in the sent folder, this mail is in pure text. I had composed in html mode and sent as both html and plain format BUT without html part. When i just enligth a part of the text in per exemple italic, the problem is corrected,(sent in both format) when i do "Edit Message as New" i am in html mode. Therefore, i need and i will use an html signature with al least one html tag. I consider that if i have choiced to compose an new mail in html mode, that when i do "Edit Message as New" this must be also in html mode evenwhile the mail is in pure plain text. But as usual developpers knows better than us what is good for us. Ray, why are you wanting to send, in HTML, a message that does not, normally, contain any HTML?? Seems like a waste of characters to me! Because i was expecting that "Edit Message as New" will be in html mode, permitting me to enhance some words. When "Edit Message as New" is in plain text mode, there is NO WAY to enhance some words, because the "html bar" is not present. I had a signature in plain text like: Raymond, there are several ways to emphasize a word or phrase in Plain Text. there is *Bold* (*'s) surround word or words there is _underline_ (underscores) each side or word or Phrase) or there /italic/ (/'s) each side of word or phrase. I know i was asking for the availability of the html-bar where i have more possibilities... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Paul B. Gallagher wrote, On 30/03/2012 11:35: Ray_Net wrote: Because i was expecting that "Edit Message as New" will be in html mode, permitting me to enhance some words. When "Edit Message as New" is in plain text mode, there is NO WAY to enhance some words, because the "html bar" is not present. There are several ways of "enhancing" bits of text in plain-text emails. You've just shown us one: ALL CAPS, also known as SHOUTING. Bolding can be rendered with *asterisks* and italics with /slashes/ if you like, and of course underline with _underscore_ -- does that help? No. I prefer to have the html-bar available. But if you really want to reply in HTML to a plain-text message, just hold down the Shift key while clicking the "Reply" button at the top of the SM window. This is exactly the inverse, when a do a simple reply i have the html-bar available and when i do "Shift"-click-on-Reply i don't have the html-bar available. But i had speaked about "Edit Message as New" ... not Replying. So i re-phrase my first complain: When "Edit Message as New" is in plain text mode, the "html bar" is not present and there is no way ... we are stuck in plain-text.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 30/03/2012 03:17: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 29/03/2012 16:03: Ray_Net wrote: Philipp van Hüllen wrote, On 27/03/2012 22:19: Ray_Net schrieb: When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder" BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new mail for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail. This is ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject. The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text ..g. the HTML bar is absent Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX". Some test results: - When creating a new mail from scratch, the editor window shows the configured default behavior per account (HTML / plain text). - When shift-clicking on the "new" button, I get the reversed default. (Just as it should.) - However, when I send, they all end up with the account default. (Though I just did a few checks, no complete test suite.) - Ah, I had to add some actual HTML-content (table). Now it sends & saves the HTML mail as HTML. (Some magic auto-converter to plain text at work, unless there's actual HTML content?) - The now saved-as-HTML-mail I can re-edit as HTML without a problem. (Cmd-E, context menu, message menu.) I don't have any settings related to HTML/plain receivers. SM should ask, if it's not sure. (Which I do remember it doing, but haven't seen today.) I admit, I usually use plain text for most of my mails, so did not notice anything until trying the above. Ah: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120322 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 How's it working for others? Philipp Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent mail present in the sent folder ? Or, more particularly, "Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent *PLAIN TEXT* mail present in the sent folder ? That is, when a user chooses to send an e-mail in both HTML and Plain, is the copy saved in the sent folder only as a Plain Text version?? You are nearly true . I have done some text and i find that effectively evenwhile looking as an html mail in the sent folder, this mail is in pure text. I had composed in html mode and sent as both html and plain format BUT without html part. When i just enligth a part of the text in per exemple italic, the problem is corrected,(sent in both format) when i do "Edit Message as New" i am in html mode. Therefore, i need and i will use an html signature with al least one html tag. I consider that if i have choiced to compose an new mail in html mode, that when i do "Edit Message as New" this must be also in html mode evenwhile the mail is in pure plain text. But as usual developpers knows better than us what is good for us. Ray, why are you wanting to send, in HTML, a message that does not, normally, contain any HTML?? Seems like a waste of characters to me! Because i was expecting that "Edit Message as New" will be in html mode, permitting me to enhance some words. When "Edit Message as New" is in plain text mode, there is NO WAY to enhance some words, because the "html bar" is not present. I had a signature in plain text like: Raymond, there are several ways to emphasize a word or phrase in Plain Text. there is *Bold* (*'s) surround word or words there is _underline_ (underscores) each side or word or Phrase) or there /italic/ (/'s) each side of word or phrase. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T."If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Daniel wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Because i was expecting that "Edit Message as New" will be in html mode, permitting me to enhance some words. When "Edit Message as New" is in plain text mode, there is NO WAY to enhance some words, because the "html bar" is not present. There are several ways of "enhancing" bits of text in plain-text emails. You've just shown us one: ALL CAPS, also known as SHOUTING. Bolding can be rendered with *asterisks* and italics with /slashes/ if you like, and of course underline with _underscore_ -- does that help? But if you really want to reply in HTML to a plain-text message, just hold down the Shift key while clicking the "Reply" button at the top of the SM window. Paul, Ray was trying to "Edit Message as New". Does holding down the CTRL* whilst clicking the "Edit Message as New" switch the message to HTML mode?? (* I think its CTRL but may be ALT or something else) Well, "Shift" does work when replying. But I know of no way to achieve this effect for EMaN. Ctrl-Shift-E, for example, is something completely different. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Because i was expecting that "Edit Message as New" will be in html mode, permitting me to enhance some words. When "Edit Message as New" is in plain text mode, there is NO WAY to enhance some words, because the "html bar" is not present. There are several ways of "enhancing" bits of text in plain-text emails. You've just shown us one: ALL CAPS, also known as SHOUTING. Bolding can be rendered with *asterisks* and italics with /slashes/ if you like, and of course underline with _underscore_ -- does that help? But if you really want to reply in HTML to a plain-text message, just hold down the Shift key while clicking the "Reply" button at the top of the SM window. Paul, Ray was trying to "Edit Message as New". Does holding down the CTRL* whilst clicking the "Edit Message as New" switch the message to HTML mode?? (* I think its CTRL but may be ALT or something else) -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Ray_Net wrote: Because i was expecting that "Edit Message as New" will be in html mode, permitting me to enhance some words. When "Edit Message as New" is in plain text mode, there is NO WAY to enhance some words, because the "html bar" is not present. There are several ways of "enhancing" bits of text in plain-text emails. You've just shown us one: ALL CAPS, also known as SHOUTING. Bolding can be rendered with *asterisks* and italics with /slashes/ if you like, and of course underline with _underscore_ -- does that help? But if you really want to reply in HTML to a plain-text message, just hold down the Shift key while clicking the "Reply" button at the top of the SM window. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Daniel wrote, On 30/03/2012 03:17:
Ray_Net wrote:
Daniel wrote, On 29/03/2012 16:03:
Ray_Net wrote:
Philipp van Hüllen wrote, On 27/03/2012 22:19:
Ray_Net schrieb:
When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to
someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder"
BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new
mail
for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail.
This is
ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject.
The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text
..g. the
HTML bar is absent
Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which
will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX".
Some test results:
- When creating a new mail from scratch, the editor window shows the
configured default behavior per account (HTML / plain text).
- When shift-clicking on the "new" button, I get the reversed
default.
(Just as it should.)
- However, when I send, they all end up with the account default.
(Though I just did a few checks, no complete test suite.)
- Ah, I had to add some actual HTML-content (table).
Now it sends & saves the HTML mail as HTML.
(Some magic auto-converter to plain text at work, unless there's
actual HTML content?)
- The now saved-as-HTML-mail I can re-edit as HTML without a problem.
(Cmd-E, context menu, message menu.)
I don't have any settings related to HTML/plain receivers.
SM should ask, if it's not sure. (Which I do remember it doing, but
haven't seen today.)
I admit, I usually use plain text for most of my mails, so did not
notice anything until trying the above.
Ah:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0)
Gecko/20120322 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9
How's it working for others?
Philipp
Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent mail
present in
the sent folder ?
Or, more particularly, "Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an
already sent *PLAIN TEXT* mail present in the sent folder ?
That is, when a user chooses to send an e-mail in both HTML and Plain,
is the copy saved in the sent folder only as a Plain Text version??
You are nearly true .
I have done some text and i find that effectively evenwhile looking as
an html mail in the sent folder, this mail is in pure text.
I had composed in html mode and sent as both html and plain format BUT
without html part.
When i just enligth a part of the text in per exemple italic, the
problem is corrected,(sent in both format) when i do "Edit Message as
New" i am in html mode.
Therefore, i need and i will use an html signature with al least one
html tag.
I consider that if i have choiced to compose an new mail in html mode,
that when i do "Edit Message as New" this must be also in html mode
evenwhile the mail is in pure plain text.
But as usual developpers knows better than us what is good for us.
Ray, why are you wanting to send, in HTML, a message that does not,
normally, contain any HTML??
Seems like a waste of characters to me!
Because i was expecting that "Edit Message as New" will be in html mode,
permitting me to enhance some words.
When "Edit Message as New" is in plain text mode, there is NO WAY to
enhance some words, because the "html bar" is not present.
I had a signature in plain text like:
Raymond,
--
etc
This was ok ,when composing a new mail.
Now...
Because i modify my signature (using an html one) to permit me to have
the "html bar" when using ""Edit Message as New" in such a way that the
word "Raymond," is in italic.
when i compose a new mail gr. i got another SM bug .
(when to try to avoid a bug, you fall into ANOTHER)
This is what i got:
--
Raymond,
--
etc
Instead of :
Raymond,
--
etc
I don't understand why SM let me manage my signature ("-- " part) when
my signature is in plain text and kill my management when my
signature is in html !!!
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Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 29/03/2012 16:03: Ray_Net wrote: Philipp van Hüllen wrote, On 27/03/2012 22:19: Ray_Net schrieb: When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder" BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new mail for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail. This is ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject. The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text ..g. the HTML bar is absent Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX". Some test results: - When creating a new mail from scratch, the editor window shows the configured default behavior per account (HTML / plain text). - When shift-clicking on the "new" button, I get the reversed default. (Just as it should.) - However, when I send, they all end up with the account default. (Though I just did a few checks, no complete test suite.) - Ah, I had to add some actual HTML-content (table). Now it sends & saves the HTML mail as HTML. (Some magic auto-converter to plain text at work, unless there's actual HTML content?) - The now saved-as-HTML-mail I can re-edit as HTML without a problem. (Cmd-E, context menu, message menu.) I don't have any settings related to HTML/plain receivers. SM should ask, if it's not sure. (Which I do remember it doing, but haven't seen today.) I admit, I usually use plain text for most of my mails, so did not notice anything until trying the above. Ah: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120322 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 How's it working for others? Philipp Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent mail present in the sent folder ? Or, more particularly, "Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent *PLAIN TEXT* mail present in the sent folder ? That is, when a user chooses to send an e-mail in both HTML and Plain, is the copy saved in the sent folder only as a Plain Text version?? You are nearly true . I have done some text and i find that effectively evenwhile looking as an html mail in the sent folder, this mail is in pure text. I had composed in html mode and sent as both html and plain format BUT without html part. When i just enligth a part of the text in per exemple italic, the problem is corrected,(sent in both format) when i do "Edit Message as New" i am in html mode. Therefore, i need and i will use an html signature with al least one html tag. I consider that if i have choiced to compose an new mail in html mode, that when i do "Edit Message as New" this must be also in html mode evenwhile the mail is in pure plain text. But as usual developpers knows better than us what is good for us. Ray, why are you wanting to send, in HTML, a message that does not, normally, contain any HTML?? Seems like a waste of characters to me! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Daniel wrote, On 29/03/2012 16:03: Ray_Net wrote: Philipp van Hüllen wrote, On 27/03/2012 22:19: Ray_Net schrieb: When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder" BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new mail for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail. This is ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject. The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text ..g. the HTML bar is absent Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX". Some test results: - When creating a new mail from scratch, the editor window shows the configured default behavior per account (HTML / plain text). - When shift-clicking on the "new" button, I get the reversed default. (Just as it should.) - However, when I send, they all end up with the account default. (Though I just did a few checks, no complete test suite.) - Ah, I had to add some actual HTML-content (table). Now it sends & saves the HTML mail as HTML. (Some magic auto-converter to plain text at work, unless there's actual HTML content?) - The now saved-as-HTML-mail I can re-edit as HTML without a problem. (Cmd-E, context menu, message menu.) I don't have any settings related to HTML/plain receivers. SM should ask, if it's not sure. (Which I do remember it doing, but haven't seen today.) I admit, I usually use plain text for most of my mails, so did not notice anything until trying the above. Ah: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120322 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 How's it working for others? Philipp Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent mail present in the sent folder ? Or, more particularly, "Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent *PLAIN TEXT* mail present in the sent folder ? That is, when a user chooses to send an e-mail in both HTML and Plain, is the copy saved in the sent folder only as a Plain Text version?? You are nearly true . I have done some text and i find that effectively evenwhile looking as an html mail in the sent folder, this mail is in pure text. I had composed in html mode and sent as both html and plain format BUT without html part. When i just enligth a part of the text in per exemple italic, the problem is corrected,(sent in both format) when i do "Edit Message as New" i am in html mode. Therefore, i need and i will use an html signature with al least one html tag. I consider that if i have choiced to compose an new mail in html mode, that when i do "Edit Message as New" this must be also in html mode evenwhile the mail is in pure plain text. But as usual developpers knows better than us what is good for us. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Ray_Net wrote: Philipp van Hüllen wrote, On 27/03/2012 22:19: Ray_Net schrieb: When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder" BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new mail for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail. This is ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject. The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text ..g. the HTML bar is absent Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX". Some test results: - When creating a new mail from scratch, the editor window shows the configured default behavior per account (HTML / plain text). - When shift-clicking on the "new" button, I get the reversed default. (Just as it should.) - However, when I send, they all end up with the account default. (Though I just did a few checks, no complete test suite.) - Ah, I had to add some actual HTML-content (table). Now it sends & saves the HTML mail as HTML. (Some magic auto-converter to plain text at work, unless there's actual HTML content?) - The now saved-as-HTML-mail I can re-edit as HTML without a problem. (Cmd-E, context menu, message menu.) I don't have any settings related to HTML/plain receivers. SM should ask, if it's not sure. (Which I do remember it doing, but haven't seen today.) I admit, I usually use plain text for most of my mails, so did not notice anything until trying the above. Ah: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120322 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 How's it working for others? Philipp Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent mail present in the sent folder ? Or, more particularly, "Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent *PLAIN TEXT* mail present in the sent folder ? That is, when a user chooses to send an e-mail in both HTML and Plain, is the copy saved in the sent folder only as a Plain Text version?? -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Philipp van Hüllen wrote, On 27/03/2012 22:19: Ray_Net schrieb: When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder" BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new mail for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail. This is ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject. The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text ..g. the HTML bar is absent Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX". Some test results: - When creating a new mail from scratch, the editor window shows the configured default behavior per account (HTML / plain text). - When shift-clicking on the "new" button, I get the reversed default. (Just as it should.) - However, when I send, they all end up with the account default. (Though I just did a few checks, no complete test suite.) - Ah, I had to add some actual HTML-content (table). Now it sends & saves the HTML mail as HTML. (Some magic auto-converter to plain text at work, unless there's actual HTML content?) - The now saved-as-HTML-mail I can re-edit as HTML without a problem. (Cmd-E, context menu, message menu.) I don't have any settings related to HTML/plain receivers. SM should ask, if it's not sure. (Which I do remember it doing, but haven't seen today.) I admit, I usually use plain text for most of my mails, so did not notice anything until trying the above. Ah: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120322 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 How's it working for others? Philipp Did you try to "Edit Message as New" of an already sent mail present in the sent folder ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
Ray_Net schrieb: When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder" BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new mail for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail. This is ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject. The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text ..g. the HTML bar is absent Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX". Some test results: - When creating a new mail from scratch, the editor window shows the configured default behavior per account (HTML / plain text). - When shift-clicking on the "new" button, I get the reversed default. (Just as it should.) - However, when I send, they all end up with the account default. (Though I just did a few checks, no complete test suite.) - Ah, I had to add some actual HTML-content (table). Now it sends & saves the HTML mail as HTML. (Some magic auto-converter to plain text at work, unless there's actual HTML content?) - The now saved-as-HTML-mail I can re-edit as HTML without a problem. (Cmd-E, context menu, message menu.) I don't have any settings related to HTML/plain receivers. SM should ask, if it's not sure. (Which I do remember it doing, but haven't seen today.) I admit, I usually use plain text for most of my mails, so did not notice anything until trying the above. Ah: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120322 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 How's it working for others? Philipp ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Another SM bug when using "Edit message as new"
When you compose and sent a mail in html or (plain text and html) to someone - all goes well. We can see it in the "Sent folder" BUT when you want to use "Edit Message as new" for sending a new mail for the same person with some modifications or a complete mail. This is ok for the "To:" and ok for the "Subject. The problem is that this mail is in pure plain text ..g. the HTML bar is absent Any clue to correct this ? Without the need of filling a bug - which will abort as "Closed - WONTFIX". ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
cyberzen wrote: in the other case, when sending a message having only BCCs do you mean that SM should copy the whole in sent folder, expanding all BCCs ? is not there a privacy issue ? No, I don't think the user needs to be protected from knowing to whom he sent mail. It's a separate issue if you're concerned that someone else could view the list by gaining unauthorized access to your computer. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
cyberzen wrote: Ray_Net a écrit : cyberzen wrote: for example I have seen something curious : To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spooler8-g27.priv.proxad.net> it's some of my friends who sent a joke to a bunch of BCC other ones.. I do not know the real reason of it IT's A REAL BUG of SM, because he add the To: zone when it was not used at the first sending. In fact, the sent folder must contain an exact copy of the mail sent instead of adding To: undisclosed-recipients:; If the To: zone is let empty/missing the problem of the sending of "Edit message as new" will not occur. may I remark that when I received a message as being BCC, I get warned of it, when I view To: undisclosed-recipients:; and I think important to get those sort of information. in the other case, when sending a message having only BCCs do you mean that SM should copy the whole in sent folder, expanding all BCCs ? I don't speak about the Bcc: i just explained that SM copy the messsage in the SENT folder ... if SM don't add To: undisclosed-recipients:; the problem will not occur. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
Ray_Net a écrit : cyberzen wrote: for example I have seen something curious : To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spooler8-g27.priv.proxad.net> it's some of my friends who sent a joke to a bunch of BCC other ones.. I do not know the real reason of it IT's A REAL BUG of SM, because he add the To: zone when it was not used at the first sending. In fact, the sent folder must contain an exact copy of the mail sent instead of adding To: undisclosed-recipients:; If the To: zone is let empty/missing the problem of the sending of "Edit message as new" will not occur. may I remark that when I received a message as being BCC, I get warned of it, when I view To: undisclosed-recipients:; and I think important to get those sort of information. in the other case, when sending a message having only BCCs do you mean that SM should copy the whole in sent folder, expanding all BCCs ? is not there a privacy issue ? -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
cyberzen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher a écrit : cyberzen wrote: so when I edit a sent message as new I don't find malformed headers as you seem to have have typed Ctrl U to view the whole source ? for example I have seen something curious : To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spooler8-g27.priv.proxad.net> it's some of my friends who sent a joke to a bunch of BCC other ones.. I do not know the real reason of it This may be it. I've found that if I send a message with all the recipients bcc'ed, it goes out fine, but the copy in my Sent folder lists "undisclosed-recipients:;" in the To field (SeaMonkey apparently inserts this automatically). If I then edit that sent message as new, modifying the body without modifying the recipient list, SeaMonkey refuses to resend it, saying "undisclosed-recipients:;" is an invalid address. I have to delete that line before sending. If you're forwarding such a message, this shouldn't happen (the recipient fields will be blank until you fill them), but if you reply to it, or reply to all, the first listed recipient will be the invalid "undisclosed-recipients:;" and you'll have to delete it before sending. your explanations are fine, as I wanted to know more about the case I have, I resent the message with the To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spooler8-g27.priv.proxad.net> this was done silently, but I don't know to who.. I think my provider is remembering the bcc list... ? I hope so in any way I don't think it is a real bug of SM because it remains of the responsibility of the sender to set up the list of recipients, all is under his view. IT's A REAL BUG of SM, because he add the To: zone when it was not used at the first sending. In fact, the sent folder must contain an exact copy of the mail sent instead of adding To: undisclosed-recipients:; If the To: zone is let empty/missing the problem of the sending of "Edit message as new" will not occur. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
cyberzen a écrit : I resent the message with the To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spooler8-g27.priv.proxad.net> this was done silently, but I don't know to who.. I think my provider is remembering the bcc list... ? I hope so in fact not, I have got error messages it's all normal.. -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
Paul B. Gallagher a écrit : cyberzen wrote: so when I edit a sent message as new I don't find malformed headers as you seem to have have typed Ctrl U to view the whole source ? for example I have seen something curious : To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spooler8-g27.priv.proxad.net> it's some of my friends who sent a joke to a bunch of BCC other ones.. I do not know the real reason of it This may be it. I've found that if I send a message with all the recipients bcc'ed, it goes out fine, but the copy in my Sent folder lists "undisclosed-recipients:;" in the To field (SeaMonkey apparently inserts this automatically). If I then edit that sent message as new, modifying the body without modifying the recipient list, SeaMonkey refuses to resend it, saying "undisclosed-recipients:;" is an invalid address. I have to delete that line before sending. If you're forwarding such a message, this shouldn't happen (the recipient fields will be blank until you fill them), but if you reply to it, or reply to all, the first listed recipient will be the invalid "undisclosed-recipients:;" and you'll have to delete it before sending. your explanations are fine, as I wanted to know more about the case I have, I resent the message with the To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spooler8-g27.priv.proxad.net> this was done silently, but I don't know to who.. I think my provider is remembering the bcc list... ? I hope so in any way I don't think it is a real bug of SM because it remains of the responsibility of the sender to set up the list of recipients, all is under his view. -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: cyberzen wrote: so when I edit a sent message as new I don't find malformed headers as you seem to have have typed Ctrl U to view the whole source ? for example I have seen something curious : To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spooler8-g27.priv.proxad.net> it's some of my friends who sent a joke to a bunch of BCC other ones.. I do not know the real reason of it This may be it. I've found that if I send a message with all the recipients bcc'ed, it goes out fine, but the copy in my Sent folder lists "undisclosed-recipients:;" in the To field (SeaMonkey apparently inserts this automatically). If I then edit that sent message as new, modifying the body without modifying the recipient list, SeaMonkey refuses to resend it, saying "undisclosed-recipients:;" is an invalid address. I have to delete that line before sending. If you're forwarding such a message, this shouldn't happen (the recipient fields will be blank until you fill them), but if you reply to it, or reply to all, the first listed recipient will be the invalid "undisclosed-recipients:;" and you'll have to delete it before sending. You have better than me explained the SM problem. I hope to have a maximum votes for this bug :-) Feel free to vote for it ! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668504 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
cyberzen wrote: so when I edit a sent message as new I don't find malformed headers as you seem to have have typed Ctrl U to view the whole source ? for example I have seen something curious : To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spooler8-g27.priv.proxad.net> it's some of my friends who sent a joke to a bunch of BCC other ones.. I do not know the real reason of it This may be it. I've found that if I send a message with all the recipients bcc'ed, it goes out fine, but the copy in my Sent folder lists "undisclosed-recipients:;" in the To field (SeaMonkey apparently inserts this automatically). If I then edit that sent message as new, modifying the body without modifying the recipient list, SeaMonkey refuses to resend it, saying "undisclosed-recipients:;" is an invalid address. I have to delete that line before sending. If you're forwarding such a message, this shouldn't happen (the recipient fields will be blank until you fill them), but if you reply to it, or reply to all, the first listed recipient will be the invalid "undisclosed-recipients:;" and you'll have to delete it before sending. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
Ray_Net a écrit : cyberzen wrote: Ray_Net a écrit : What do you think about a bug i fill in just now ? Any hope for a correction ? . soon :-) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668504 Perhaps you can vote for it ... I think this is due to some automatic spam detection at your email provider's side (message with only BCC are supposed to be spam) This is a false assumption, because i test it without being connected(ADSL box power off). This is Seamokey who refuse to send the mail. may be yes, but... having no problem as you have I checked my settings.. 1 I BCC to myself 2 I do not copy the messages in the sent folder 3 I have set up a filter to move occurring messges BCC to me in the sent folder so when I edit a sent message as new I don't find malformed headers as you seem to have have typed Ctrl U to view the whole source ? for example I have seen something curious : To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@spooler8-g27.priv.proxad.net> it's some of my friends who sent a joke to a bunch of BCC other ones.. I do not know the real reason of it -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
cyberzen wrote: Ray_Net a écrit : What do you think about a bug i fill in just now ? Any hope for a correction ? . soon :-) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668504 Perhaps you can vote for it ... I think this is due to some automatic spam detection at your email provider's side (message with only BCC are supposed to be spam) This is a false assumption, because i test it without being connected(ADSL box power off). This is Seamokey who refuse to send the mail. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
Ray_Net a écrit : What do you think about a bug i fill in just now ? Any hope for a correction ? . soon :-) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668504 Perhaps you can vote for it ... I think this is due to some automatic spam detection at your email provider's side (message with only BCC are supposed to be spam) -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Edit message as new -> The sent is rejected
What do you think about a bug i fill in just now ? Any hope for a correction ? . soon :-) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=668504 Perhaps you can vote for it ... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
