Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue
chicagofan wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
chicagofan wrote:
That's strange, because these [below] were the instructions I received
by e-mail, after I wrote them about my connection problems after the
changeover from Motzarella. These instructions cleared up my problem:
It will connect with or without auth (but not with invalid auth,
clearly). If
you connect and don't offer auth, you can read and post to the subset
of groups
mozzarella.*, eternal-september.*, and possenet.* (no idea what that
is). If you
get a valid account and offer the credentials you will then see all the
available groups.
You were offering invalid credentials or valid credentials in an
invalid way,
resulting in denial. If your passwords were in password manager I
think they
would no longer be found when the host name changed, so you would have
needed to
(a) check always offer credentials, and (b) put them in by hand.
You can easily validate non-auth operation:
telnet news.eternal-september.org nntp
{200 message}
list
{guest groups list here}
quit
To authenticate, the commands are
authinfo user {account}
authinfp pass {password}
type those before 'list' and you will get the full list.
I only use nntp; and when they transferred the Motzarella servers to
Eternal-September, I could not connect with my old settings by just
changing the *server name*, so I tried a new account which wouldn't work
either. That's when they gave me the instructions to use
authentication, and then it was all working again.
I can see I've added nothing to your discussion of your problems, so
I'll stop now. :)
As noted in another post and the BZ for the problem, fixed in 2.0.1pre.Real bug,
real patch, real unreleased fix.
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Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue
Bill Davidsen wrote:
chicagofan wrote:
That's strange, because these [below] were the instructions I received
by e-mail, after I wrote them about my connection problems after the
changeover from Motzarella. These instructions cleared up my problem:
It will connect with or without auth (but not with invalid auth, clearly). If
you connect and don't offer auth, you can read and post to the subset of groups
mozzarella.*, eternal-september.*, and possenet.* (no idea what that is). If you
get a valid account and offer the credentials you will then see all the
available groups.
You were offering invalid credentials or valid credentials in an invalid way,
resulting in denial. If your passwords were in password manager I think they
would no longer be found when the host name changed, so you would have needed to
(a) check always offer credentials, and (b) put them in by hand.
You can easily validate non-auth operation:
telnet news.eternal-september.org nntp
{200 message}
list
{guest groups list here}
quit
To authenticate, the commands are
authinfo user {account}
authinfp pass {password}
type those before 'list' and you will get the full list.
I only use nntp; and when they transferred the Motzarella servers to
Eternal-September, I could not connect with my old settings by just
changing the *server name*, so I tried a new account which wouldn't work
either. That's when they gave me the instructions to use
authentication, and then it was all working again.
I can see I've added nothing to your discussion of your problems, so
I'll stop now. :)
bj
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Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue
chicagofan wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
chicagofan wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
In hopes of someone having a clue where 'elsewhere' might be I put
up the
screenshots. I think it points to an error inside SM2 that this
happens only
on this server which doesn't demand authentication, and one other
similar
(non-public) server which also allows access to small information
without auth.
Eternal-September is working for me on Port 119, but it DOES require
authentication, so on the server settings page for that news account, I
have checked the box to always request authentication.
Are you saying you are using another port for ES which does not require
authentication?
It seems possible that the lack of a demand for auth:
480 authentication required
may somehow confuse SM, although I don't quite see how.
Does this extra information give anyone a clue?
I'm confused why your connections would not require authentication the
same as mine. Maybe if we determine that, we'll stumble on the answer
you need. :)
Yours don't need authentication, either. ES will allow you to connect
and read
the motzarella.* and ES.* groups just fine w/o auth. Auth is needed to
access
other groups on the servers.
That's strange, because these [below] were the instructions I received
by e-mail, after I wrote them about my connection problems after the
changeover from Motzarella. These instructions cleared up my problem:
It will connect with or without auth (but not with invalid auth, clearly). If
you connect and don't offer auth, you can read and post to the subset of groups
mozzarella.*, eternal-september.*, and possenet.* (no idea what that is). If you
get a valid account and offer the credentials you will then see all the
available groups.
You were offering invalid credentials or valid credentials in an invalid way,
resulting in denial. If your passwords were in password manager I think they
would no longer be found when the host name changed, so you would have needed to
(a) check always offer credentials, and (b) put them in by hand.
You can easily validate non-auth operation:
telnet news.eternal-september.org nntp
{200 message}
list
{guest groups list here}
quit
To authenticate, the commands are
authinfo user {account}
authinfp pass {password}
type those before 'list' and you will get the full list.
I can't sign up for a new account, because it says I have an existing
account.
That was to be expected. You may continue to use your existing
user name and password.
When I tried just changing my Motzarella address to
eternal-september... nothing happens.
What am I doing wrong about this transition? Thank you
Please create a new account/server in your *client*, using the
new server name news.eternal-september.org and your existing
user name and password. *Please don't forget to set*:
[X] Always authenticate (wording depends on your newsreader)
As mentioned before, this solved my problems.
bj
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Re: NNTP problems to authenticated hosts continue
chicagofan wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: NoOp wrote: I do notice in your http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-1.jpg that your outgoing server is: localhost (Default). Do you actually expect to post to news.ethernal-september.org via 'localhost (Default)'? NNTP= SMTP, SMTP is mail, used when you reply all or similar. If SM2 is trying to use that for the NNTP POST command it is sadly broken. However, since other news servers, authenticated and not, work just fine with that outgoing SMTP server setting, I assume the problem is elsewhere. In hopes of someone having a clue where 'elsewhere' might be I put up the screenshots. I think it points to an error inside SM2 that this happens only on this server which doesn't demand authentication, and one other similar (non-public) server which also allows access to small information without auth. Eternal-September is working for me on Port 119, but it DOES require authentication, so on the server settings page for that news account, I have checked the box to always request authentication. Are you saying you are using another port for ES which does not require authentication? It seems possible that the lack of a demand for auth: 480 authentication required may somehow confuse SM, although I don't quite see how. In any case, it never even tries to POST, suggesting that internally the connection has been identified as read-only. I have no idea what would cause that. Does this extra information give anyone a clue? I'm confused why your connections would not require authentication the same as mine. Maybe if we determine that, we'll stumble on the answer you need. :) Yours don't need authentication, either. ES will allow you to connect and read the motzarella.* and ES.* groups just fine w/o auth. Auth is needed to access other groups on the servers. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Bill Davidsen wrote: chicagofan wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: In hopes of someone having a clue where 'elsewhere' might be I put up the screenshots. I think it points to an error inside SM2 that this happens only on this server which doesn't demand authentication, and one other similar (non-public) server which also allows access to small information without auth. Eternal-September is working for me on Port 119, but it DOES require authentication, so on the server settings page for that news account, I have checked the box to always request authentication. Are you saying you are using another port for ES which does not require authentication? It seems possible that the lack of a demand for auth: 480 authentication required may somehow confuse SM, although I don't quite see how. Does this extra information give anyone a clue? I'm confused why your connections would not require authentication the same as mine. Maybe if we determine that, we'll stumble on the answer you need. :) Yours don't need authentication, either. ES will allow you to connect and read the motzarella.* and ES.* groups just fine w/o auth. Auth is needed to access other groups on the servers. That's strange, because these [below] were the instructions I received by e-mail, after I wrote them about my connection problems after the changeover from Motzarella. These instructions cleared up my problem: I can't sign up for a new account, because it says I have an existing account. That was to be expected. You may continue to use your existing user name and password. When I tried just changing my Motzarella address to eternal-september... nothing happens. What am I doing wrong about this transition? Thank you Please create a new account/server in your *client*, using the new server name news.eternal-september.org and your existing user name and password. *Please don't forget to set*: [X] Always authenticate (wording depends on your newsreader) As mentioned before, this solved my problems. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Bill Davidsen wrote: NoOp wrote: I do notice in your http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-1.jpg that your outgoing server is: localhost (Default). Do you actually expect to post to news.ethernal-september.org via 'localhost (Default)'? NNTP= SMTP, SMTP is mail, used when you reply all or similar. If SM2 is trying to use that for the NNTP POST command it is sadly broken. However, since other news servers, authenticated and not, work just fine with that outgoing SMTP server setting, I assume the problem is elsewhere. In hopes of someone having a clue where 'elsewhere' might be I put up the screenshots. I think it points to an error inside SM2 that this happens only on this server which doesn't demand authentication, and one other similar (non-public) server which also allows access to small information without auth. Eternal-September is working for me on Port 119, but it DOES require authentication, so on the server settings page for that news account, I have checked the box to always request authentication. Are you saying you are using another port for ES which does not require authentication? It seems possible that the lack of a demand for auth: 480 authentication required may somehow confuse SM, although I don't quite see how. In any case, it never even tries to POST, suggesting that internally the connection has been identified as read-only. I have no idea what would cause that. Does this extra information give anyone a clue? I'm confused why your connections would not require authentication the same as mine. Maybe if we determine that, we'll stumble on the answer you need. :) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge wrote: Bill Davidsen: I think I've said several times, I monitored the network interface with tcpdump, and no packets were passed, OK. the UA SM. rejected the request with the message seen, Check your config SM refuses to send with this message. which is correct, at least for other servers and all servers on 1.1.18. You mean, that you cannot see a false configuration. Sorry for misunderstanding. Seems, that not only my writing skills for English are bad but also my reading skills. But there is also the possibility that you have not been clear enough. *eg* |I have Fails for me about 2:1 over Works for me, but obviously it |works for someone. This belongs to eternal? 2 fails for 1 succeed? Or do you mean 2 other newssevers are working correct and eternal fails? I mean about twice as many people have said they had the problem as have said it worked. Counting posts to SM groups, posts to e-s support, mail to me, firums, and chat (IRC) discussion. About 8 to 4 in favor of having a problem, and at least one who didn't was accessing without authentication, not the same thing. This also fails on another, private, server which allows minimal access without authentication, full access with. But clearly you have problems with eternal despite of seemingly correct settings. Here is what i would do in this case. First identify the account which belongs to eternal by searching in the prefs.js for eternal. In my case this would be mail.server.server4. Then remove the account for eternal with Edit-Mail Newsgroups Account Settings-Remove Account. Close SM and delete all traces of eternal in the profile. Especially the folder News/news.eternal-september.org and the files News/news.eternal-september.org.msf and News/newsrc-news.eternal-september.org. Look into prefs.js, if all references to server? are gone. Start SM, open the Password Manager, select 'Manage Stored Passwords' and delete the entries for eternal if existent. Then create a new account for eternal. Before I go through all that, why would that give better results than installing Linux on a new machine, installing SeaMonkey, creating a new normal user account (had to do all that anyway), then creating an e-s account. As noted in several posts, I looked for a conversion issue from 1.1.18, then tried a new account creation, then new account in new profile, then news account in whole new user account, finally tried on a clean install on new hardware, which I was doing anyway. Unless there's some reason to think that creating, deleting, and re-creating will be different, I'll pass. I know there's no old stuff in tests starting with new hardware and build up all new software installs. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Bill Davidsen: Before I go through all that, why would that give better results than installing Linux on a new machine, installing SeaMonkey, creating a new normal user account (had to do all that anyway), then creating an e-s account. That will even be better. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 11/16/2009 09:06 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote: Bill Davidsen: Before I go through all that, why would that give better results than installing Linux on a new machine, installing SeaMonkey, creating a new normal user account (had to do all that anyway), then creating an e-s account. That will even be better. Hartmut I'm pretty sure he's said that is what he did already in another post/thread. Bill, on your server settings (http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-2.jpg) can you try changing Connection security to SSL/TLS? You may have already, but I can't recall. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 11/16/2009 01:07 PM, NoOp wrote: On 11/16/2009 09:06 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote: Bill Davidsen: Before I go through all that, why would that give better results than installing Linux on a new machine, installing SeaMonkey, creating a new normal user account (had to do all that anyway), then creating an e-s account. That will even be better. Hartmut I'm pretty sure he's said that is what he did already in another post/thread. Bill, on your server settings (http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-2.jpg) can you try changing Connection security to SSL/TLS? You may have already, but I can't recall. Probably won't work now anyway as the servers seem to be down: http://www.eternal-september.org/serverstatus.php?language=en and all of my connections are timing out ATM. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 11/13/2009 06:04 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: ... You can only post to groups in e-s unless you are registered and authenticate. After that you can post anywhere, as you can from any other server. Perhaps you missed: news://news.mozilla.org:119/0a2dnru7gpw-1mhxnz2dnuvz_qsdn...@mozilla.org (Thanks to Harmut for pointing out how to do that :-) Again, my apologies. And mine, you post linked before the one you note, and I replied immediately. None of which gets me closer to a solution, I'm reasonably convinced that something in my options is causing SM to not even try a POST, but I'm a bit befuddled as to what. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge wrote: Bill Davidsen: Does this extra information give anyone a clue? You should really provide a log of what happens between SM2 and eternal when you try to post. One possibility is ngrep. Another one is https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging I think I've said several times, I monitored the network interface with tcpdump, and no packets were passed, the UA rejected the request with the message seen, Check your config which is correct, at least for other servers and all servers on 1.1.18. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Bill Davidsen: I think I've said several times, I monitored the network interface with tcpdump, and no packets were passed, OK. the UA SM. rejected the request with the message seen, Check your config SM refuses to send with this message. which is correct, at least for other servers and all servers on 1.1.18. You mean, that you cannot see a false configuration. Sorry for misunderstanding. Seems, that not only my writing skills for English are bad but also my reading skills. But there is also the possibility that you have not been clear enough. *eg* |I have Fails for me about 2:1 over Works for me, but obviously it |works for someone. This belongs to eternal? 2 fails for 1 succeed? Or do you mean 2 other newssevers are working correct and eternal fails? But clearly you have problems with eternal despite of seemingly correct settings. Here is what i would do in this case. First identify the account which belongs to eternal by searching in the prefs.js for eternal. In my case this would be mail.server.server4. Then remove the account for eternal with Edit-Mail Newsgroups Account Settings-Remove Account. Close SM and delete all traces of eternal in the profile. Especially the folder News/news.eternal-september.org and the files News/news.eternal-september.org.msf and News/newsrc-news.eternal-september.org. Look into prefs.js, if all references to server? are gone. Start SM, open the Password Manager, select 'Manage Stored Passwords' and delete the entries for eternal if existent. Then create a new account for eternal. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 11/11/2009 02:51 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: I have put my full config up as screen shots: http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/ Note that SeaMonkey sends *no packets* to the NNTP host, other than always offer auth my working server definitions, those without auth needed, are identical. I have Fails for me about 2:1 over Works for me, but obviously it works for someone. Linux, Fedora-11, updated a few days ago. You know, I offered some time back to assist you off list/group. That would have included sending you screenshots, but your reply was: So not sure what the issue could be on your system. However, for the sake of keeping this thread to a minimum, I'll be happy to test other scenarios if you'll contact me directly (just drop the .invalid from the email address keep the same subject so that I don't automatically drop the msg in the spam filters). I can test on linux (ubuntu 9.04 9.10 - gnome only, I'm alergic to kde), WinXPPro Win2KPro (both fully updated). I noted the test I made, new profile, new install with no migration, even new Fedora in a fresh virtual machine. All behave the same. No clue... :-( So good luck with that. I do notice in your http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-1.jpg that your outgoing server is: localhost (Default). Do you actually expect to post to news.ethernal-september.org via 'localhost (Default)'? NNTP = SMTP, SMTP is mail, used when you reply all or similar. If SM2 is trying to use that for the NNTP POST command it is sadly broken. However, since other news servers, authenticated and not, work just fine with that outgoing SMTP server setting, I assume the problem is elsewhere. In hopes of someone having a clue where 'elsewhere' might be I put up the screenshots. I think it points to an error inside SM2 that this happens only on this server which doesn't demand authentication, and one other similar (non-public) server which also allows access to small information without auth. It seems possible that the lack of a demand for auth: 480 authentication required may somehow confuse SM, although I don't quite see how. In any case, it never even tries to POST, suggesting that internally the connection has been identified as read-only. I have no idea what would cause that. Does this extra information give anyone a clue? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Bill Davidsen: Does this extra information give anyone a clue? You should really provide a log of what happens between SM2 and eternal when you try to post. One possibility is ngrep. Another one is https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 11/11/2009 04:27 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: NoOp: On 11/11/2009 03:30 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: NoOp: I do notice in your http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-1.jpg that your outgoing server is: localhost (Default). Do you actually expect to post to news.ethernal-september.org via 'localhost (Default)'? But that's for SMTP and not NNTP. :) No. If you wish to post to news.ethernal-september.org (or any other nntp group) you need to provide an outgoing smtp connection/setup/server. No. SMTP is needed only for PMs when replying to a posting. Otherwise how do you expect the msg get sent? Well, there are the settings for the newsserver. ;) Have you looked at _your_ 'Outgoing Server (SMTP)' setting for _this_ newsgroup? Does it say 'localhost (Default)'? Does it work with that setting? Look here. http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/et091112.png (21 KB) What you fail to provide is the screenshot for the outgoing server. Are you telling me that you can post to news.ethernal-september.org (other than there ethernal-september.org newsgroups without an email address and using localhost as your outgoing nntp server? And here is a posting to eternal using localhost for SMTP. 4afb54a4.4070...@hfigge.myfqdn.de How in the f*$ is anyone supposed to find that? We've been through this previously; google is *not* everyone's friend. And even if it were, why bother to use it to find your post. If you can't simply post a url and/or a newsgroup subject on ethernal-september.org then don't bother posting your silly 4afb54a4.4070...@hfigge.myfqdn.de. I suspect you don't understand NNTP... you can ask for an article by Message-ID, you don't *need* group, subject, etc. Are you just obtuse, lazy, or both? Your post brings to mind the terms rude and ignorant. You don't know how to use the information, therefore he is lazy? Regardless, you require a valid smtp email address to post to news.. No, you don't! You don't use SMTP for news, different port, different protocol. You may need one for the verification when getting a password. ;) And you didn't when posting to something other than 'eternal-september.xyx and could post to something like alt.os.linux.ubuntu via news.ethernal-september.org? How interesting odd. I guess that would mean that anyone can post to their newsserver and simply bypass the requirements outlined in: http://www.eternal-september.org/ http://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php?language=en Don't tell the spammers... they'll start spamming all the newsgroups via eternal-steptember.org... You can only post to groups in e-s unless you are registered and authenticate. After that you can post anywhere, as you can from any other server. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 11/13/2009 06:04 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: ... You can only post to groups in e-s unless you are registered and authenticate. After that you can post anywhere, as you can from any other server. Perhaps you missed: news://news.mozilla.org:119/0a2dnru7gpw-1mhxnz2dnuvz_qsdn...@mozilla.org (Thanks to Harmut for pointing out how to do that :-) Again, my apologies. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp: news://news.mozilla.org:119/0a2dnru7gpw-1mhxnz2dnuvz_qsdn...@mozilla.org One caveat. A link in this form is OK for people which are subscribed to news.mozilla.org. But they have not to be subscribed there when accessing this NG. And clicking on this link would create an account of news.mozilla.org for them. Without questioning. ;) Better is a MID. Most UAs can handle MIDs internally, but SM needs an Add-on. Unfortunately. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 11/11/2009 06:42 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: NoOp: On 11/11/2009 04:27 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: Look here. http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/et091112.png (21 KB) What you fail to provide is the screenshot for the outgoing server. Because it doesn't matter for this case. But here it is. http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/et091112-b.png (22 KB) Are you telling me that you can post to news.ethernal-september.org (other than there ethernal-september.org newsgroups without an email address and using localhost as your outgoing nntp server? No. I'm telling you, that localhost is assigned to SMTP, in this case, not normally, and has nothing to do with posting to eternal. And of course once again you are indeed correct - my humble apologies. Note to self: *Never* turn on the computer after celebrating Veteran's Day... wait until the morning after :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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I have put my full config up as screen shots: http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/ Note that SeaMonkey sends *no packets* to the NNTP host, other than always offer auth my working server definitions, those without auth needed, are identical. I have Fails for me about 2:1 over Works for me, but obviously it works for someone. Linux, Fedora-11, updated a few days ago. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Bill Davidsen: I have put my full config up as screen shots: http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/ Almost identical to my setup for this newsserver. Normally i am using albasani and eternal is a reserve - hm, hopefully this is the correct English term *g* - so the boxes for 'Check for ...' are not checked. But this shouldn't matter. I have Fails for me about 2:1 over Works for me, but obviously it works for someone. Fails for receiving or sending? I have just successfully posted some messages to de.alt.test over eternal, starting with 4afb4514.9090...@hfigge.myfqdn.de In case of difficulties i would use ngrep to observe what happens. Apart from that ngrep now happens to fail for ppp0 on my Gentoo. *g* Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 11/11/2009 02:51 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: I have put my full config up as screen shots: http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/ Note that SeaMonkey sends *no packets* to the NNTP host, other than always offer auth my working server definitions, those without auth needed, are identical. I have Fails for me about 2:1 over Works for me, but obviously it works for someone. Linux, Fedora-11, updated a few days ago. You know, I offered some time back to assist you off list/group. That would have included sending you screenshots, but your reply was: So not sure what the issue could be on your system. However, for the sake of keeping this thread to a minimum, I'll be happy to test other scenarios if you'll contact me directly (just drop the .invalid from the email address keep the same subject so that I don't automatically drop the msg in the spam filters). I can test on linux (ubuntu 9.04 9.10 - gnome only, I'm alergic to kde), WinXPPro Win2KPro (both fully updated). I noted the test I made, new profile, new install with no migration, even new Fedora in a fresh virtual machine. All behave the same. No clue... :-( So good luck with that. I do notice in your http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-1.jpg that your outgoing server is: localhost (Default). Do you actually expect to post to news.ethernal-september.org via 'localhost (Default)'? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp: I do notice in your http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-1.jpg that your outgoing server is: localhost (Default). Do you actually expect to post to news.ethernal-september.org via 'localhost (Default)'? But that's for SMTP and not NNTP. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge wrote: NoOp: On 11/11/2009 03:30 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: NoOp: I do notice in your http://www.tmr.com/~davidsen/Private/E-S_post_bug_SM2/SS-es-1.jpg that your outgoing server is: localhost (Default). Do you actually expect to post to news.ethernal-september.org via 'localhost (Default)'? But that's for SMTP and not NNTP. :) No. If you wish to post to news.ethernal-september.org (or any other nntp group) you need to provide an outgoing smtp connection/setup/server. No. SMTP is needed only for PMs when replying to a posting. Otherwise how do you expect the msg get sent? Well, there are the settings for the newsserver. ;) Have you looked at _your_ 'Outgoing Server (SMTP)' setting for _this_ newsgroup? Does it say 'localhost (Default)'? Does it work with that setting? Look here. http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/et091112.png (21 KB) And here is a posting to eternal using localhost for SMTP. 4afb54a4.4070...@hfigge.myfqdn.de Regardless, you require a valid smtp email address to post to news.ethernal-september.org. You may need one for the verification when getting a password. ;) Hartmut I see... sent from a new SM account w/no smtp setup ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp: On 11/11/2009 04:27 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote: Look here. http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/et091112.png (21 KB) What you fail to provide is the screenshot for the outgoing server. Because it doesn't matter for this case. But here it is. http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/et091112-b.png (22 KB) Are you telling me that you can post to news.ethernal-september.org (other than there ethernal-september.org newsgroups without an email address and using localhost as your outgoing nntp server? No. I'm telling you, that localhost is assigned to SMTP, in this case, not normally, and has nothing to do with posting to eternal. And here is a posting to eternal using localhost for SMTP. 4afb54a4.4070...@hfigge.myfqdn.de How in the f*$ is anyone supposed to find that? We've been through this previously; google is *not* everyone's friend. It is not necessary to use google. You could use news://news.eternal-september.org:119/4AFB54A4.4070608%40hfigge.myfqdn.de because you are using eternal. And even if it were, why bother to use it to find your post. MIDs are exactly the way to identify a postings and finding it. Without the necessity of using Google. It is very common to use them. If you can't simply post a url and/or a newsgroup subject on ethernal-september.org then don't bother posting your silly 4afb54a4.4070...@hfigge.myfqdn.de. It is not always possible to provide such a link. There are internal NGs. And if a link could be posted, well, it takes time until a posting is available at Google. Furthermore there are cases with 'X-No-Archive' which cannot be found at Goggle, but very well on a newsserver. Are you just obtuse, lazy, or both? As said, MIDs are the common way to identify a posting. And there is an easy way of using them. The MIDF. ;) Regardless, you require a valid smtp email address to post to news.. You may need one for the verification when getting a password. ;) And you didn't when posting to something other than 'eternal-september.xyx and could post to something like alt.os.linux.ubuntu via news.ethernal-september.org? I have tried de.alt.test via eternal. Should suffice. How interesting odd. I guess that would mean that anyone can post to their newsserver and simply bypass the requirements outlined in: http://www.eternal-september.org/ http://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php?language=en You need a valid email address when registering to eternal. And you should have a valid email address in From: or Reply-To: when posting. Don't tell the spammers... they'll start spamming all the newsgroups via eternal-steptember.org... First they have to register. :-P Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
