Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 1:11 PM +0900, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it has 394 unread in the group. But, like I said already, to me, it's just a new color, not a new thing. GW I concur. I got it trying to open the Folder that's been giving me problems...but this time, I also got a message that SM cannot open this Folder because another process it using it - try again later. I had to quit SM and restart to actually clear the problem...same as always. Is there a size limit for Folders or something?.. Nope. When you get that message, it's pretty much always because SM is compacting the folder. ...I thought I had control over that? its a setting...IDR whereit can compact periodically automatically, or ask you, or not at all GW I did manage to find it - you can set the Pref to Compact when it will save a given amount of disk space. I must have hit it just right, I may adjust my setting. choose an odd number. That fixed my hang-up / stall on automatic message checking back around 2005. Mozilla didn't like 2,4,6,8 or 10 so I put 9. Fixed it! (strange but true) GW It's interesting that the problem now seems to be just with this one Folder...I've just had it happen again, and had to close and re-open SM after attempting to drag a post into it. And even more interesting is that upon restart of SM I can see that the task of dragging the post into the Folder was completed even though Mail was still hung/in wait after the drag and wouldn't wake up. There are 1459 items in this Folder...I have another one that is bigger, and after trying to drag something into it, this happens with that one as well - now I've got the blue-ball again... ...after I re-launch, I'll try it with a smaller one and see what happens. Pretty sure now it's not connected to Folders being Compacted. No clues what's going on here...dragging a post to a Folder is hanging up that Folder until I restart SM - no matter what the size of the Folder. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 1:11 PM +0900, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it has 394 unread in the group. But, like I said already, to me, it's just a new color, not a new thing. GW I concur. I got it trying to open the Folder that's been giving me problems...but this time, I also got a message that SM cannot open this Folder because another process it using it - try again later. I had to quit SM and restart to actually clear the problem...same as always. Is there a size limit for Folders or something?.. Nope. When you get that message, it's pretty much always because SM is compacting the folder. ...I thought I had control over that? its a setting...IDR whereit can compact periodically automatically, or ask you, or not at all GW I did manage to find it - you can set the Pref to Compact when it will save a given amount of disk space. I must have hit it just right, I may adjust my setting. choose an odd number. That fixed my hang-up / stall on automatic message checking back around 2005. Mozilla didn't like 2,4,6,8 or 10 so I put 9. Fixed it! (strange but true) GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 1:11 PM +0900, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it has 394 unread in the group. But, like I said already, to me, it's just a new color, not a new thing. GW I concur. I got it trying to open the Folder that's been giving me problems...but this time, I also got a message that SM cannot open this Folder because another process it using it - try again later. I had to quit SM and restart to actually clear the problem...same as always. Is there a size limit for Folders or something?.. Nope. When you get that message, it's pretty much always because SM is compacting the folder. ...I thought I had control over that? its a setting...IDR whereit can compact periodically automatically, or ask you, or not at all GW I did manage to find it - you can set the Pref to Compact when it will save a given amount of disk space. I must have hit it just right, I may adjust my setting. choose an odd number. That fixed my hang-up / stall on automatic message checking back around 2005. Mozilla didn't like 2,4,6,8 or 10 so I put 9. Fixed it! (strange but true) GW It's interesting that the problem now seems to be just with this one Folder...I've just had it happen again, and had to close and re-open SM after attempting to drag a post into it. And even more interesting is that upon restart of SM I can see that the task of dragging the post into the Folder was completed even though Mail was still hung/in wait after the drag and wouldn't wake up. There are 1459 items in this Folder...I have another one that is bigger, and after trying to drag something into it, this happens with that one as well - now I've got the blue-ball again... ...after I re-launch, I'll try it with a smaller one and see what happens. Pretty sure now it's not connected to Folders being Compacted. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 1:11 PM +0900, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it has 394 unread in the group. But, like I said already, to me, it's just a new color, not a new thing. GW I concur. I got it trying to open the Folder that's been giving me problems...but this time, I also got a message that SM cannot open this Folder because another process it using it - try again later. I had to quit SM and restart to actually clear the problem...same as always. Is there a size limit for Folders or something?.. Nope. When you get that message, it's pretty much always because SM is compacting the folder. ...I thought I had control over that? its a setting...IDR whereit can compact periodically automatically, or ask you, or not at all GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 1:11 PM +0900, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it has 394 unread in the group. But, like I said already, to me, it's just a new color, not a new thing. GW I concur. I got it trying to open the Folder that's been giving me problems...but this time, I also got a message that SM cannot open this Folder because another process it using it - try again later. I had to quit SM and restart to actually clear the problem...same as always. Is there a size limit for Folders or something?.. Nope. When you get that message, it's pretty much always because SM is compacting the folder. ...I thought I had control over that? its a setting...IDR whereit can compact periodically automatically, or ask you, or not at all GW I did manage to find it - you can set the Pref to Compact when it will save a given amount of disk space. I must have hit it just right, I may adjust my setting. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
On 5/24/14 6:18 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: I've seen this a few time now...if I'm trying to save a NG post to an on-disk Folder by drag and drop, SM Mail seemingly freezes, but I can still use the Browser, click around Mail, mark a NG Read, etc. All this while a *blue* spinning pizza-wheel of death is spinning. And whassup with the *blue* pizza wheel vice the OX X default rainbow one? Is this another instance of SM stepping on a standard OS X interface activity? No other app on my machine alters the wait-wheel...not one! Neither of these were happening prior to SM 2.26 Mac. That's just the new SeaMonkey app busy cursor. The old one used to have a much smaller, black spinning ball. The new one is, well, new. I see it whenever opening a newsgroup message or when SM is syncing an IMAP account and that account has focus. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Trane Francks wrote: On 5/24/14 6:18 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: I've seen this a few time now...if I'm trying to save a NG post to an on-disk Folder by drag and drop, SM Mail seemingly freezes, but I can still use the Browser, click around Mail, mark a NG Read, etc. All this while a *blue* spinning pizza-wheel of death is spinning. And whassup with the *blue* pizza wheel vice the OX X default rainbow one? Is this another instance of SM stepping on a standard OS X interface activity? No other app on my machine alters the wait-wheel...not one! Neither of these were happening prior to SM 2.26 Mac. That's just the new SeaMonkey app busy cursor. The old one used to have a much smaller, black spinning ball. The new one is, well, new. I see it whenever opening a newsgroup message or when SM is syncing an IMAP account and that account has focus. yes, it was always there, just not the eye-catching BRIGHT blue it is now. ah for the days when Mozilla worked well with the amount of RAM it was /supposed/ to need (not ten times that). never tried the saving thing, Rufus asked about. If I want to keep an NG post I always forward it to myself via email. That way my other machines get a copy when I check mail on them.. GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Trane Francks wrote: On 5/24/14 6:18 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: I've seen this a few time now...if I'm trying to save a NG post to an on-disk Folder by drag and drop, SM Mail seemingly freezes, but I can still use the Browser, click around Mail, mark a NG Read, etc. All this while a *blue* spinning pizza-wheel of death is spinning. And whassup with the *blue* pizza wheel vice the OX X default rainbow one? Is this another instance of SM stepping on a standard OS X interface activity? No other app on my machine alters the wait-wheel...not one! Neither of these were happening prior to SM 2.26 Mac. That's just the new SeaMonkey app busy cursor. The old one used to have a much smaller, black spinning ball. The new one is, well, new. I see it whenever opening a newsgroup message or when SM is syncing an IMAP account and that account has focus. ...I've never seen a black ball, ever that I can recall - just the OS X System default one. Why monkey with that? Or is SM 2.26 also hanging up on me more noticeably? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Geoff Welsh wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/24/14 6:18 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: I've seen this a few time now...if I'm trying to save a NG post to an on-disk Folder by drag and drop, SM Mail seemingly freezes, but I can still use the Browser, click around Mail, mark a NG Read, etc. All this while a *blue* spinning pizza-wheel of death is spinning. And whassup with the *blue* pizza wheel vice the OX X default rainbow one? Is this another instance of SM stepping on a standard OS X interface activity? No other app on my machine alters the wait-wheel...not one! Neither of these were happening prior to SM 2.26 Mac. That's just the new SeaMonkey app busy cursor. The old one used to have a much smaller, black spinning ball. The new one is, well, new. I see it whenever opening a newsgroup message or when SM is syncing an IMAP account and that account has focus. yes, it was always there, just not the eye-catching BRIGHT blue it is now. ah for the days when Mozilla worked well with the amount of RAM it was /supposed/ to need (not ten times that). I've never noticed that SM did anything different from the System during wait...not for Mac OS, anyway. Did I miss something here? never tried the saving thing, Rufus asked about. If I want to keep an NG post I always forward it to myself via email. That way my other machines get a copy when I check mail on them.. GW I use drag and drop for about everything I can - I've been dragging NG posts to Folders far longer than I've been dragging and dropping URLs into the Bookmarks Sidebar to save them. But I do like your approach for dealing with multiple machines! I do that by noting what is Unread on the next machine and also dragging those. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/24/14 6:18 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: I've seen this a few time now...if I'm trying to save a NG post to an on-disk Folder by drag and drop, SM Mail seemingly freezes, but I can still use the Browser, click around Mail, mark a NG Read, etc. All this while a *blue* spinning pizza-wheel of death is spinning. And whassup with the *blue* pizza wheel vice the OX X default rainbow one? Is this another instance of SM stepping on a standard OS X interface activity? No other app on my machine alters the wait-wheel...not one! Neither of these were happening prior to SM 2.26 Mac. That's just the new SeaMonkey app busy cursor. The old one used to have a much smaller, black spinning ball. The new one is, well, new. I see it whenever opening a newsgroup message or when SM is syncing an IMAP account and that account has focus. ...I've never seen a black ball, ever that I can recall - just the OS X System default one. Why monkey with that? Or is SM 2.26 also hanging up on me more noticeably? I always took it to mean that if SM itself stopped to think, I get the SM working/thinking symboland if it stops too long, I get the OS thinking/working symbol. (aka pinwheel of deathfrom years back on Mac groups). It's usually when I click to delete a god-awful huge HTML heavy message from someone, and then click to switch to a different account .5 seconds later. SM says, oh, waitwhat?Oh, OK SM has always taken a long time to delete large HTML heavy messages, IDK why, and I have no basis for comparison. Anyone with ten times the RAM they /should/ need for SM, likely never sees it. GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/24/14 6:18 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: I've seen this a few time now...if I'm trying to save a NG post to an on-disk Folder by drag and drop, SM Mail seemingly freezes, but I can still use the Browser, click around Mail, mark a NG Read, etc. All this while a *blue* spinning pizza-wheel of death is spinning. And whassup with the *blue* pizza wheel vice the OX X default rainbow one? Is this another instance of SM stepping on a standard OS X interface activity? No other app on my machine alters the wait-wheel...not one! Neither of these were happening prior to SM 2.26 Mac. That's just the new SeaMonkey app busy cursor. The old one used to have a much smaller, black spinning ball. The new one is, well, new. I see it whenever opening a newsgroup message or when SM is syncing an IMAP account and that account has focus. ...I've never seen a black ball, ever that I can recall - just the OS X System default one. Why monkey with that? Or is SM 2.26 also hanging up on me more noticeably? I always took it to mean that if SM itself stopped to think, I get the SM working/thinking symboland if it stops too long, I get the OS thinking/working symbol. (aka pinwheel of deathfrom years back on Mac groups). It's usually when I click to delete a god-awful huge HTML heavy message from someone, and then click to switch to a different account .5 seconds later. SM says, oh, waitwhat?Oh, OK SM has always taken a long time to delete large HTML heavy messages, IDK why, and I have no basis for comparison. Anyone with ten times the RAM they /should/ need for SM, likely never sees it. GW So far I've only noticed it hanging on dragging a NG post to a Folder...and it never recovers, but I can continue to use the Browser and click around Mail - that's the really odd thing. Closing Mail doesn't clear it either - I have to close the session and re-open SM. I don't really do/see HTML Mail, so I've got nothing to compare to on that score...but I do subscribe to a binary group of 3D artists, so I'll have to look at what happens when I try and display a particularly large post - those are generally what I File and I haven't had any trouble with those...just ones from my Crohn's NG which are all text, some converted from HTML probably - so maybe it's something with that group that is the problem? I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it has 394 unread in the group. But, like I said already, to me, it's just a new color, not a new thing. GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it has 394 unread in the group. But, like I said already, to me, it's just a new color, not a new thing. GW I concur. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
On 5/25/14 3:10 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/24/14 6:18 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: I've seen this a few time now...if I'm trying to save a NG post to an on-disk Folder by drag and drop, SM Mail seemingly freezes, but I can still use the Browser, click around Mail, mark a NG Read, etc. All this while a *blue* spinning pizza-wheel of death is spinning. And whassup with the *blue* pizza wheel vice the OX X default rainbow one? Is this another instance of SM stepping on a standard OS X interface activity? No other app on my machine alters the wait-wheel...not one! Neither of these were happening prior to SM 2.26 Mac. That's just the new SeaMonkey app busy cursor. The old one used to have a much smaller, black spinning ball. The new one is, well, new. I see it whenever opening a newsgroup message or when SM is syncing an IMAP account and that account has focus. ...I've never seen a black ball, ever that I can recall - just the OS X System default one. Why monkey with that? Or is SM 2.26 also hanging up on me more noticeably? It's not the OS X beachball of death, which represents an entirely different problem. And, frankly, this busy cursor does not indicate any problem whatsoever. It's just saying, hey, I'm busy doing stuff. The old black-and-white cursor was so unobtrusive that I can easily imagine most users not seeing it at all. The new one is seriously in your face. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it has 394 unread in the group. But, like I said already, to me, it's just a new color, not a new thing. GW I concur. I got it trying to open the Folder that's been giving me problems...but this time, I also got a message that SM cannot open this Folder because another process it using it - try again later. I had to quit SM and restart to actually clear the problem...same as always. Is there a size limit for Folders or something?.. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
On 5/25/14 1:11 PM +0900, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it has 394 unread in the group. But, like I said already, to me, it's just a new color, not a new thing. GW I concur. I got it trying to open the Folder that's been giving me problems...but this time, I also got a message that SM cannot open this Folder because another process it using it - try again later. I had to quit SM and restart to actually clear the problem...same as always. Is there a size limit for Folders or something?.. Nope. When you get that message, it's pretty much always because SM is compacting the folder. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Saving Posts Freezes(?) SM 2.26 Mac.
Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 1:11 PM +0900, Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 5/25/14 6:13 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Rufus wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: I'm still dubious about the blue wheel...I need to check that on my 1.1.19 install and see what I see. I just now got it, loading this group, on this machine, because it has 394 unread in the group. But, like I said already, to me, it's just a new color, not a new thing. GW I concur. I got it trying to open the Folder that's been giving me problems...but this time, I also got a message that SM cannot open this Folder because another process it using it - try again later. I had to quit SM and restart to actually clear the problem...same as always. Is there a size limit for Folders or something?.. Nope. When you get that message, it's pretty much always because SM is compacting the folder. ...I thought I had control over that? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
