Re: wrapping

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Richmond wrote:

Stanimir Stamenkov  writes:


Since posting that article, I found that if an email is saved as
draft, it is saved in HTML format, even if it is a plain text
message. So I guess it is converted from HTML to text as it is sent.


If it gets saved in HTML you should be really composing it in
HTML. Have never seen such behavior of composing in plain text, and
then message being saved as HTML draft, using any version of
SeaMonkey.  Does any of this change if you press and hold Shift while
pressing the "Compose" button? (this alternates the preferred
composition format)



OK, I tried shift compose and it is indeed wrapping as I type. What I
was doing before was pressing compose, and then selecting option -
format - plain text. I thought that amounted to the same thing. The
formatting toolbar disappears. But apparently it is not the same thing.


I initially assumed so too and was about to raise this as a bug. But a 
quick search first turned up bug #21128 
 where someone noted 
this behaviour of Options > Format > Plain Text back in 1999. It appears 
it is intentional - the menu just sets the format to use for sending, 
without changing the editor format.


It sounds like your default compose format (at least for the account in 
question) is HTML. If that's what you usually want, you can use 
Shift+Compose on occasions when you want to compose in plain text.


Alternatively, if you usually want to compose in plain text, you can go 
to Edit > Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings > (Select account in the 
left-hand list) > Composition & Addressing, and un-tick "Compose 
messages in HTML format. That will make plain text the default (when you 
just click "Compose"), and if you occasionally want to compose in HTML 
you can use Shift+Compose to do that (as Stanimir mentioned, it gives 
the opposite of your default).


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Re: wrapping

[Richmond]

Stanimir Stamenkov  writes:

>> Since posting that article, I found that if an email is saved as
>> draft, it is saved in HTML format, even if it is a plain text
>> message. So I guess it is converted from HTML to text as it is sent.
>
> If it gets saved in HTML you should be really composing it in
> HTML. Have never seen such behavior of composing in plain text, and
> then message being saved as HTML draft, using any version of
> SeaMonkey.  Does any of this change if you press and hold Shift while
> pressing the "Compose" button? (this alternates the preferred
> composition format)
>

OK, I tried shift compose and it is indeed wrapping as I type. What I
was doing before was pressing compose, and then selecting option -
format - plain text. I thought that amounted to the same thing. The
formatting toolbar disappears. But apparently it is not the same thing.

>> This may also be dependent on me using IMAP.
>
> I'm almost exclusively using IMAP (except one POP3 account), and
> haven't experienced what you're describing.
>
>> For the time being I am going to use gnus for posting to mailing
>> lists.
>>
>> I am not sure if this is a bug, or intended behaviour. I just tried
>> seamonkey 2.40 with a new profile and I see the same thing
>> there. Compose a new message and type text, it does not wrap at 72
>> characters.
>
> This is quite weird.  I wonder if it could be related to the
> platform/environment you're running SeaMonkey in.

It looks like user error. I should read the manual.
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Re: wrapping

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Wed, 04 Jan 2017 22:24:13 +, /Richmond/:

Since posting that article, I found that if an email is saved as draft, 
it is saved in HTML format, even if it is a plain text message. So I 
guess it is converted from HTML to text as it is sent.


If it gets saved in HTML you should be really composing it in HTML. 
Have never seen such behavior of composing in plain text, and then 
message being saved as HTML draft, using any version of SeaMonkey.  Does 
any of this change if you press and hold Shift while pressing the 
"Compose" button? (this alternates the preferred composition format)



This may also be dependent on me using IMAP.


I'm almost exclusively using IMAP (except one POP3 account), and haven't 
experienced what you're describing.



For the time being I am going to use gnus for posting to mailing lists.

I am not sure if this is a bug, or intended behaviour. I just tried 
seamonkey 2.40 with a new profile and I see the same thing 
there. Compose a new message and type text, it does not wrap at 72 
characters.


This is quite weird.  I wonder if it could be related to the 
platform/environment you're running SeaMonkey in.


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Re: wrapping

[Richmond]

Stanimir Stamenkov  writes:

> Does this occur when you're replying to an existing message, or
> also/just when you're typing a new message?

A new message.

>
> Previously I've seen when replying to an existing message a quote
> block gets somehow extended to the text of the reply below it, and
> thus it doesn't get wrapped.  There are no visible quote markers
> ('>'), but one could usually notice this during the composition as the
> color of the reply text gets the same as the quoted text color
> (default blue), and not the regular text color.  One could usually get
> away from this state by cutting the already typed reply text, possibly
> hitting couple of Enters, and pasting the text over.
>
> Don't know if that's your case, but see if it could help.  SM 2.49a is
> a development version, so you might try more recent builds to see if
> your current issues are resolved, also.
>

Since posting that article, I found that if an email is saved as draft,
it is saved in HTML format, even if it is a plain text message. So I
guess it is converted from HTML to text as it is sent.

This may also be dependent on me using IMAP.

For the time being I am going to use gnus for posting to mailing lists.

I am not sure if this is a bug, or intended behaviour. I just tried
seamonkey 2.40 with a new profile and I see the same thing
there. Compose a new message and type text, it does not wrap at 72
characters.
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Re: wrapping

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Tue, 03 Jan 2017 23:44:38 +, /Richmond/:

The problem seems to be that when I am typing a news article the text 
wraps as I type, but when I am typing an email message the text does not 
wrap, at least not until I get to the right hand side of the Window, 
which is quite a long way on this screen. This is true regardless of 
whether it is html or plain text.


Does this occur when you're replying to an existing message, or 
also/just when you're typing a new message?


Previously I've seen when replying to an existing message a quote block 
gets somehow extended to the text of the reply below it, and thus it 
doesn't get wrapped.  There are no visible quote markers ('>'), but one 
could usually notice this during the composition as the color of the 
reply text gets the same as the quoted text color (default blue), and 
not the regular text color.  One could usually get away from this state 
by cutting the already typed reply text, possibly hitting couple of 
Enters, and pasting the text over.


Don't know if that's your case, but see if it could help.  SM 2.49a is a 
development version, so you might try more recent builds to see if your 
current issues are resolved, also.


Anyway I sent myself an email and it seems to arrive wrapped, but I 
cannot tell where the wrapping occured, i.e. did it occur in the viewer, 
or before it was sent?


I posted to a mailing list and someone complained that I should wrap my 
text as a courtesy. But I cannot tell if it is going to be wrapped or 
not at the point I press send.


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Re: wrapping

[Richmond]

Stanimir Stamenkov  writes:

>
> Not completely sure what you're asking, but I suspect you might be using HTML
> composition for regular email where wrapping occurs just at the viewport
> boundary.  Just configure you account(s) to not compose messages in HTML:
>
>   * Either (right-click) select "Settings..." from the context menu of
> specific account in the Folder Pane, or via Mail window menu
>   * Edit -> Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings...
>
>  / Composition & Addressing:
>
> [ ] Compose messages in HTML format
>
> (make sure it's unchecked)
>
> You could start a HTML composition for individual message/reply by holding
> down Shift while pressing the Compose, or Reply button.

The problem seems to be that when I am typing a news article the text
wraps as I type, but when I am typing an email message the text does not
wrap, at least not until I get to the right hand side of the Window,
which is quite a long way on this screen. This is true regardless of
whether it is html or plain text.

Anyway I sent myself an email and it seems to arrive wrapped, but I
cannot tell where the wrapping occured, i.e. did it occur in the viewer,
or before it was sent?

I posted to a mailing list and someone complained that I should wrap my
text as a courtesy. But I cannot tell if it is going to be wrapped or
not at the point I press send.
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Re: wrapping

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:44:26 +, /Richmond/:

Richmond  writes:

I have wrapping working for news articles. How to I get it working for 
email?


I am referring to wrapping during composition.

2.49a2


Here are the parameters I have set:

mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support  true
mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed  false


Not completely sure what you're asking, but I suspect you might be using 
HTML composition for regular email where wrapping occurs just at the 
viewport boundary.  Just configure you account(s) to not compose 
messages in HTML:


  * Either (right-click) select "Settings..." from the context menu of 
specific account in the Folder Pane, or via Mail window menu

  * Edit -> Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings...

 / Composition & Addressing:

[ ] Compose messages in HTML format

(make sure it's unchecked)

You could start a HTML composition for individual message/reply by 
holding down Shift while pressing the Compose, or Reply button.


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Re: wrapping

[Richmond]

Richmond  writes:

> I have wrapping working for news articles. How to I get it working for
> email?
>
> I am referring to wrapping during composition.
>
> 2.49a2

Here are the parameters I have set:

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Re: Wrapping Header Lines

[xxyyz]

On 05/08/2015 1:00 AM, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:

xxyyz wrote on 05/08/15 11:02:

When a received SM email is displayed with All Headers, the header
lines don't wrap.  To see them all, you have to click on each line
and move the cursor to the right.  This is even more noticeable if
there are Attachments, as the header lines stop at the left-hand
edge of the Attachments box.

The lines wrap properly when the e-mail is printed.

How do I get the header lines to wrap when the e-mail is displayed?


You could try View / Message _S_ource (Ctrl+U) displaying the entire
message source, including headers.

This scroll-behavior is a lot better than previously, when text simply
was curtailed at the edge of the pane, and we could not scroll through
to see the text on the latter part of the line. At least now, you can
read it, without going to Message-Source.


Thank you - a nice, clear explanation!
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Re: Wrapping Header Lines

[Barry Edwin Gilmour]

xxyyz wrote on 05/08/15 11:02:
When a received SM email is displayed with All Headers, the header 
lines don't wrap.  To see them all, you have to click on each line and 
move the cursor to the right.  This is even more noticeable if there 
are Attachments, as the header lines stop at the left-hand edge of the 
Attachments box.


The lines wrap properly when the e-mail is printed.

How do I get the header lines to wrap when the e-mail is displayed?


You could try View / Message _S_ource (Ctrl+U) displaying the entire 
message source, including headers.


This scroll-behavior is a lot better than previously, when text simply 
was curtailed at the edge of the pane, and we could not scroll through 
to see the text on the latter part of the line. At least now, you can 
read it, without going to Message-Source.

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[Rick Merrill]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/13/11 1:13 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:09 -0700, /David E. Ross/:


When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
there a way to get wrapping?

An example is athttp://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
2.0.14 and SM 2.1.


I use (since SeaMonkey 1.*) the very handy Toggle Word Wrap extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/toggle-word-wrap/



I tried Toggle Word Wrap.  It is exactly what I need.  Thanks.

I also did some research in the HTML specifications at the W3C site,
both HTML 4.01 and the current draft for HTML 5.  Neither of them
mention how a browser should handle plain ASCII text.  Of course, both
specifications are about HTML while a page of plain ASCII text is not
HTML.  The descriptions of thepre  element in both specifications say
nothing about wrapping; since thepre  element is used when text is
preformatted (e.g., with spaces, indentations, columns), wrapping is
likely unwanted at least as a default.



I think plain text does not wrap but must have end-of-line imbedded.

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[cyberzen]

Stanimir Stamenkov a écrit :

Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:09 -0700, /David E. Ross/:


When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping. Is
there a way to get wrapping?

An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

Apparently, this is NOT a new problem. I see the same results with SM
2.0.14 and SM 2.1.


I use (since SeaMonkey 1.*) the very handy Toggle Word Wrap extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/toggle-word-wrap/



excellent !!

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[Ed Mullen]

David E. Ross wrote:

When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
there a way to get wrapping?

An example is athttp://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
2.0.14 and SM 2.1.



Phil Chee's suggestion in the other thread does work.  In 
userContent.css put:


pre {
  white-space: pre-wrap !important;
}

No need for yet another extension.

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[David E. Ross]

On 6/14/11 10:56 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?

 An example is athttp://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.

 
 Phil Chee's suggestion in the other thread does work.  In 
 userContent.css put:
 
 pre {
white-space: pre-wrap !important;
 }
 
 No need for yet another extension.
 

The problem is that setting something in userContent.css will then
affect ALL text Web pages.  That can disrupt a page that was formatted
for a fixed display the same way that pre elements on an HTML Web page
can be used for formatting.

The extension allows me to choose which pages will be wrapped.

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[Philip Chee]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:43:32 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:
 On 6/14/11 10:56 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?

 An example is athttp://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.
 
 Phil Chee's suggestion in the other thread does work.  In 
 userContent.css put:
 
 pre {
white-space: pre-wrap !important;
 }
 
 No need for yet another extension.
 
 The problem is that setting something in userContent.css will then
 affect ALL text Web pages.  That can disrupt a page that was formatted
 for a fixed display the same way that pre elements on an HTML Web page
 can be used for formatting.
 
 The extension allows me to choose which pages will be wrapped.

Example

@-moz-document domain(mail.google.com) {
  pre {
white-space: pre-wrap !important;
  }
}

Phil

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[David E. Ross]

On 6/14/11 7:40 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
 On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:43:32 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:
 On 6/14/11 10:56 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?

 An example is athttp://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.

 Phil Chee's suggestion in the other thread does work.  In 
 userContent.css put:

 pre {
white-space: pre-wrap !important;
 }

 No need for yet another extension.

 The problem is that setting something in userContent.css will then
 affect ALL text Web pages.  That can disrupt a page that was formatted
 for a fixed display the same way that pre elements on an HTML Web page
 can be used for formatting.

 The extension allows me to choose which pages will be wrapped.
 
 Example
 
 @-moz-document domain(mail.google.com) {
   pre {
 white-space: pre-wrap !important;
   }
 }
 
 Phil
 

I don't want to update userContent.css every time I find another page
that I want wrapped.  Also, I might want to view a page wrapped and then
later unwrapped.

I am quite satisfied with the Toggle Word Wrap extension.

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:56:45 -0400, /Ed Mullen/:


Phil Chee's suggestion in the other thread does work.  In
userContent.css put:

pre {
   white-space: pre-wrap !important;
}

No need for yet another extension.


I usually want that setting dynamically triggered per view (even 
multiple times per view), rather than fixed for a specific site.


The Toggle Word Wrap extension also works in the MailNews part.  I 
don't think one knows which new message will need to get the setting 
or not.  The extension provides some more magic with plain text 
message composition - (dynamically) suppressing automatic text wrap 
and format=flowed sending (useful for some cases [1]).


[1] paste unwrapped/preformatted to plain-text mail 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475712


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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

David E. Ross wrote:

 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?

Insert line feeds where you want them.

 An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.
 
 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.

..and I see the same in all my browsers, not just SeaMonkey or Firefox.
It isn't a problem; it's how plain text is displayed.

http://tekrider.net/test/Wrap_test.txt

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:09 -0700, /David E. Ross/:


When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
there a way to get wrapping?

An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
2.0.14 and SM 2.1.


I use (since SeaMonkey 1.*) the very handy Toggle Word Wrap extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/toggle-word-wrap/

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[David E. Ross]

On 6/13/11 12:28 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
 
 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?
 
 Insert line feeds where you want them.
 
 An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.
 
 ..and I see the same in all my browsers, not just SeaMonkey or Firefox.
 It isn't a problem; it's how plain text is displayed.
 
 http://tekrider.net/test/Wrap_test.txt
 

Inserting line feeds would work for my own pages.  However, I contrived
my example specifically for this question.

I asked because I have encountered pages by others -- ASCII text, not
HTML -- that do not wrap.  I cannot insert line feeds without first
downloading and editing someone else's work.

I see that you did indeed download and edit my example.  However, if I
shrink my browser window to less than full screen, the problem reappears.

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[David E. Ross]

On 6/13/11 1:13 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
 Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:09 -0700, /David E. Ross/:
 
 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?

 An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.

 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.
 
 I use (since SeaMonkey 1.*) the very handy Toggle Word Wrap extension:
 
 https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/toggle-word-wrap/
 

I tried Toggle Word Wrap.  It is exactly what I need.  Thanks.

I also did some research in the HTML specifications at the W3C site,
both HTML 4.01 and the current draft for HTML 5.  Neither of them
mention how a browser should handle plain ASCII text.  Of course, both
specifications are about HTML while a page of plain ASCII text is not
HTML.  The descriptions of the pre element in both specifications say
nothing about wrapping; since the pre element is used when text is
preformatted (e.g., with spaces, indentations, columns), wrapping is
likely unwanted at least as a default.

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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

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Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 16:28, Beauregard T. Shagnasty told the 
world:



When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
there a way to get wrapping?


..and I see the same in all my browsers, not just SeaMonkey or Firefox.
It isn't a problem; it's how plain text is displayed.


Not quite true. SRWare Iron (and therefore, I assume, Google Chrome) 
does wrap the testcase text. But IE9 does not wrap.


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Re: Wrapping Text Pages

[Philip Chee]

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:24:07 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:
 When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in
 the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping.  Is
 there a way to get wrapping?
 
 An example is at http://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my
 service's Web server delivers as text/plain.
 
 Apparently, this is NOT a new problem.  I see the same results with SM
 2.0.14 and SM 2.1.

A userContent.css style might be helpful e.g.

pre {
  white-space: pre-wrap;
}

You might need !important

Phil

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