Re: User-agent switching help needed

[notme]

no...@nonospam.org wrote:
I've been using the user-agent switching feature of the PrefBar 
extension for years, as there are several sites I visit regularly which 
no longer play well with SeaMonkey.


I know PrefBar hasn't been updated in several years, but it continued to 
work fine up through SeaMonkey v2.49.5.


Yesterday, I cautiously updated SeaMonkey on one of my computers to 
v2.53.5.1. PrefBar continued to work. However, today I upgraded a second 
computer to v2.53.5.1 and the PrefBar buttons have now disappeared. 
Clicking on "Customize" on the PrefBar gives the usual pop-up listing 
"available items" and "enabled items" but the lists are empty. I am 
unable to find where the PrefBar settings are stored.


Both of these computers are running Windows 10 Pro v20H2, and I was 
careful to follow the instructions at

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5.1/
for upgrading from v2.49.5.

Searching for alternate add-ons to edit the user-agent string finds 
several, but all of them say they are only for Firefox, not SeaMonkey. I 
found additional add-ons for SeaMonkey at https://addons.thunderbird.net 
but that page hasn't been updated for any version of SeaMonkey beyond 
2.49.5.


I would like to continue to use SeaMonkey, but this problem may force me 
to switch to Firefox and start using Thunderbird for email and news.


Thanks in advance for any forthcoming assistance!

John


I have now updated all four of my computers from SeaMonkey v2.49.5 to 
v2.53.5.1. The update only damaged the PrefBar extension on one of them, 
and I was able to get it working again by re-installing it. I can't 
guarantee all of its functions still work, but the user-agent changer 
works perfectly on all four machines.


The extension can still be downloaded from here: 
http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/archive.html


Thanks for the other suggestions. I have made note of those locations 
for future reference.


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Re: User-agent switching help needed

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 11/12/2020 05:58, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

no...@nonospam.org schrieb:

user-agent switching feature


User Agent Switcher from
https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2019/01/06/classic-add-ons-archive/ 


converted via
http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
for me still works with SeaMonkey 2.53.6:
https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2019/01/09/test-results-for-add-ons-from-ca-archive/ 



You can (should) install version 2.0.3 of the Classic Add-ons-Archive 
<https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/releases/download/2.0.3/ca-archive-2.0.3.xpi>.


The User Agent Switcher needs converting only because the source 
<https://github.com/chrispederick/user-agent-switcher/blob/master/development> 
sets the SM maximum version to 2.0.*, instead of 2.*.


Then download a set of user agent definitions according to the 
instructions here <https://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/>.


If you need an up-to-date Firefox definition, add this for Firefox ESR, 
modified to suit the platform you wish to advertise, eg "(Windows NT 
10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.5)":


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:78.5) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.5

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Re: User-agent switching help needed

[Rainer Bielefeld]

no...@nonospam.org schrieb:

user-agent switching feature



Hi,

User Agent Switcher from
https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2019/01/06/classic-add-ons-archive/
converted via
http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
for me still works with SeaMonkey 2.53.6:
https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2019/01/09/test-results-for-add-ons-from-ca-archive/

CU

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User-agent switching help needed

[notme]

I've been using the user-agent switching feature of the PrefBar 
extension for years, as there are several sites I visit regularly which 
no longer play well with SeaMonkey.


I know PrefBar hasn't been updated in several years, but it continued to 
work fine up through SeaMonkey v2.49.5.


Yesterday, I cautiously updated SeaMonkey on one of my computers to 
v2.53.5.1. PrefBar continued to work. However, today I upgraded a second 
computer to v2.53.5.1 and the PrefBar buttons have now disappeared. 
Clicking on "Customize" on the PrefBar gives the usual pop-up listing 
"available items" and "enabled items" but the lists are empty. I am 
unable to find where the PrefBar settings are stored.


Both of these computers are running Windows 10 Pro v20H2, and I was 
careful to follow the instructions at

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5.1/
for upgrading from v2.49.5.

Searching for alternate add-ons to edit the user-agent string finds 
several, but all of them say they are only for Firefox, not SeaMonkey. I 
found additional add-ons for SeaMonkey at https://addons.thunderbird.net 
but that page hasn't been updated for any version of SeaMonkey beyond 
2.49.5.


I would like to continue to use SeaMonkey, but this problem may force me 
to switch to Firefox and start using Thunderbird for email and news.


Thanks in advance for any forthcoming assistance!

John
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Re: Site for current User Agent Strings

[JAS]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/6/2020 10:35 AM, JAS wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/6/2020 7:15 AM, JAS wrote:

Does anyone have a list of or a web site that has the current list of
Browsers and their UA Strings that can be used in Seamonkey Pref Bar
User Agent button?

Thanks,JAS



Try the following:
<https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents>
<http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php>

However, I do it differently.  I have a personal (non-commercial) Web
site.  The ISP that hosts my site maintains a log of site visits with a
separate log file for each month.  A few times each year, I download the
latest log and pick out UA strings that reflect newer versions of the
browsers in my PrefBar setup.


Thanks for the links, would you share the currents files you use in the
PrefBar?


SeaMonkey/2.49.5
PrefBar 7.1.1

I exported my useragent extlist and uploaded it to my Web site.  It is
at <http://www.rossde.com/test/spoof_UAstring.btn>.  Please let me know
when you download it so that I can then delete it from my Web site.
After you download it, you can then import it into PrefBar AFTER you
delete the existing useragent from PrefBar.  Otherwise, you can view the
contents with Notepad or Wordpad and pick out the UA strings.

NOTE WELL:  The spoof_UAstring.btn file is compatible with the
configuration indicated at the beginning of this reply and likely with
earlier -- but not later -- versions of SeaMonkey and PrefBar.


I have downloaded it and am also using Var. 7.1.1 of PrefBar. Thank You,

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Re: Site for current User Agent Strings

[David E. Ross]

On 11/6/2020 10:35 AM, JAS wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 11/6/2020 7:15 AM, JAS wrote:
>>> Does anyone have a list of or a web site that has the current list of
>>> Browsers and their UA Strings that can be used in Seamonkey Pref Bar
>>> User Agent button?
>>>
>>> Thanks,JAS
>>>
>>
>> Try the following:
>> <https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents>
>> <http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php>
>>
>> However, I do it differently.  I have a personal (non-commercial) Web
>> site.  The ISP that hosts my site maintains a log of site visits with a
>> separate log file for each month.  A few times each year, I download the
>> latest log and pick out UA strings that reflect newer versions of the
>> browsers in my PrefBar setup.
>>
> Thanks for the links, would you share the currents files you use in the 
> PrefBar?
> 
SeaMonkey/2.49.5
PrefBar 7.1.1

I exported my useragent extlist and uploaded it to my Web site.  It is
at <http://www.rossde.com/test/spoof_UAstring.btn>.  Please let me know
when you download it so that I can then delete it from my Web site.
After you download it, you can then import it into PrefBar AFTER you
delete the existing useragent from PrefBar.  Otherwise, you can view the
contents with Notepad or Wordpad and pick out the UA strings.

NOTE WELL:  The spoof_UAstring.btn file is compatible with the
configuration indicated at the beginning of this reply and likely with
earlier -- but not later -- versions of SeaMonkey and PrefBar.

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Re: Site for current User Agent Strings

[JAS]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/6/2020 7:15 AM, JAS wrote:

Does anyone have a list of or a web site that has the current list of
Browsers and their UA Strings that can be used in Seamonkey Pref Bar
User Agent button?

Thanks,JAS



Try the following:
<https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents>
<http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php>

However, I do it differently.  I have a personal (non-commercial) Web
site.  The ISP that hosts my site maintains a log of site visits with a
separate log file for each month.  A few times each year, I download the
latest log and pick out UA strings that reflect newer versions of the
browsers in my PrefBar setup.

Thanks for the links, would you share the currents files you use in the 
PrefBar?

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Re: Site for current User Agent Strings

[David E. Ross]

On 11/6/2020 7:15 AM, JAS wrote:
> Does anyone have a list of or a web site that has the current list of 
> Browsers and their UA Strings that can be used in Seamonkey Pref Bar 
> User Agent button?
> 
> Thanks,JAS
> 

Try the following:
<https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents>
<http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php>

However, I do it differently.  I have a personal (non-commercial) Web
site.  The ISP that hosts my site maintains a log of site visits with a
separate log file for each month.  A few times each year, I download the
latest log and pick out UA strings that reflect newer versions of the
browsers in my PrefBar setup.

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Site for current User Agent Strings

[JAS]

Does anyone have a list of or a web site that has the current list of 
Browsers and their UA Strings that can be used in Seamonkey Pref Bar 
User Agent button?


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Re: That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[Daniel]

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote on 28/10/20 21:08:

On 28/10/2020 07:09, Daniel wrote:

Daniel wrote on 28/10/20 16:33:
...>

Done! When I later re-boot into Linux, I'll see if it works. Thanks.


general.useragent.site_specific_overrides;true

and

general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; 
WOW64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0


still fail to get me into the site. When I attempt to log in, I'm 
warned that my SM might not be suitable but can click to accept the 
warning and that brings up a blank screen with "Done" at the bottom 
left of my SM screen.


Any further ideas??


The domain that I'm getting when I follow ioof.com.au -> Login -> IOOF 
Online is login.portfolioonline.com.au (with SM 2.53.4 and accepting the 
possible 'bad experience'). The other login option "Portfolio Online" 
also uses portfolioonline.com.au. It made no difference whether 
ioof.com.au is enabled for JS; even enabling the other domains used (3rd 
party Google and Facebook JS) made no difference.


I reach usable username and password fields in both cases, the latter a 
little more retro. At that point I would need login credentials. 
Enabling JS for portfolioonline.com.au might also be necessary. I was 
able to open the registration page for IOOF Online with usable fields.


I didn't need to spoof UA at any point but if you did need to do that 
for this site you'd want to set


general.useragent.override.portfolioonline.com.au

Boringly, you may need to clear your cache.

/df


O.K., well my loin credentials are ..!! ;-P

I'll try setting up your other suggested override, failing that, I'll 
try installing (real) FF or one of EE's suggestions!


Thanks, guys!
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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
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Re: That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[EE]

Daniel wrote:

Daniel wrote on 28/10/20 16:33:

EE wrote on 28/10/2020 6:06 AM:

Daniel wrote:
I've received a letter from one of my Superannuation companies 
telling me they have lost me postal address (so how were they able 
to send me a letter?? The idiots!!) so I went to their website but 
was unable to log in because they didn't accept my SM 2.49.5, so 
I've set up a User Agent override, I hope, telling them I'm using 
FF/78. but that failed as well, so I'm asking is


general.useragent.complesOverride.ioof.com.au,userset,string,Firefox/78.0 



correctly formatted?? If the company is IOOF, might capitalising the 
ioof help/be necessary??


Any suggestions, please!


The new string name would be:
general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au
and the new value would be:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0

O.K., so you're suggesting the 'complex' is unnecessary and the 
'override' should all be lower case. O.K., I'm game!


Done! When I later re-boot into Linux, I'll see if it works. Thanks.


general.useragent.site_specific_overrides;true

and

general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; 
WOW64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0


still fail to get me into the site. When I attempt to log in, I'm warned 
that my SM might not be suitable but can click to accept the warning and 
that brings up a blank screen with "Done" at the bottom left of my SM 
screen.


Any further ideas??


Are these people using javascript to dig out the navigator information? 
If so, their setup can recognize that the user-agent sent by the browser 
is a fake.  You could try user-agent switcher and fill in all the blanks 
for that particular fake, in which case the fake would be convincing.
  Yhe other thing you could do is just use a different browser.  Any 
chromium browser (that claims to be Chrome) should be fine.  Brave and 
Slimjet are chromium browsers but do not spy on you as Chrome does.  You 
could try that.

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Re: That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 28/10/2020 07:09, Daniel wrote:

Daniel wrote on 28/10/20 16:33:
...>

Done! When I later re-boot into Linux, I'll see if it works. Thanks.


general.useragent.site_specific_overrides;true

and

general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; 
WOW64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0


still fail to get me into the site. When I attempt to log in, I'm warned 
that my SM might not be suitable but can click to accept the warning and 
that brings up a blank screen with "Done" at the bottom left of my SM 
screen.


Any further ideas??


The domain that I'm getting when I follow ioof.com.au -> Login -> IOOF 
Online is login.portfolioonline.com.au (with SM 2.53.4 and accepting the 
possible 'bad experience'). The other login option "Portfolio Online" 
also uses portfolioonline.com.au. It made no difference whether 
ioof.com.au is enabled for JS; even enabling the other domains used (3rd 
party Google and Facebook JS) made no difference.


I reach usable username and password fields in both cases, the latter a 
little more retro. At that point I would need login credentials. 
Enabling JS for portfolioonline.com.au might also be necessary. I was 
able to open the registration page for IOOF Online with usable fields.


I didn't need to spoof UA at any point but if you did need to do that 
for this site you'd want to set


general.useragent.override.portfolioonline.com.au

Boringly, you may need to clear your cache.

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Re: That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[Daniel]

Daniel wrote on 28/10/20 16:33:

EE wrote on 28/10/2020 6:06 AM:

Daniel wrote:
I've received a letter from one of my Superannuation companies 
telling me they have lost me postal address (so how were they able to 
send me a letter?? The idiots!!) so I went to their website but was 
unable to log in because they didn't accept my SM 2.49.5, so I've set 
up a User Agent override, I hope, telling them I'm using FF/78. but 
that failed as well, so I'm asking is


general.useragent.complesOverride.ioof.com.au,userset,string,Firefox/78.0 



correctly formatted?? If the company is IOOF, might capitalising the 
ioof help/be necessary??


Any suggestions, please!


The new string name would be:
general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au
and the new value would be:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0

O.K., so you're suggesting the 'complex' is unnecessary and the 
'override' should all be lower case. O.K., I'm game!


Done! When I later re-boot into Linux, I'll see if it works. Thanks.


general.useragent.site_specific_overrides;true

and

general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; 
WOW64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0


still fail to get me into the site. When I attempt to log in, I'm warned 
that my SM might not be suitable but can click to accept the warning and 
that brings up a blank screen with "Done" at the bottom left of my SM 
screen.


Any further ideas??
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Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


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Re: That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[Daniel]

David E. Ross wrote on 28/10/2020 6:08 AM:

On 10/27/2020 5:30 AM, Daniel wrote:

I've received a letter from one of my Superannuation companies telling
me they have lost me postal address (so how were they able to send me a
letter?? The idiots!!) so I went to their website but was unable to log
in because they didn't accept my SM 2.49.5, so I've set up a User Agent
override, I hope, telling them I'm using FF/78. but that failed as well,
so I'm asking is

general.useragent.complesOverride.ioof.com.au,userset,string,Firefox/78.0

correctly formatted?? If the company is IOOF, might capitalising the
ioof help/be necessary??

Any suggestions, please!



1.  Locate your profile.  On the menu bar, select [Help >
Troubleshooting Information].  Under Application Basics, select the Open
Folder button to the right of Profile Folder.

2.  In the profile, locate the file user.js.  If it does not exist,
create it with Wordpad or Notepad but NOT Word.

3.  Using Wordpad or Notepad in user.js, create the following entry all
on a single line:
user_pref("general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:79.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/79.0");
Note that the semi-colon (;) at the end is required.  If the entry wraps
when you enter it, that is okay; but do not manuall break the entry by
using the Enter or Return key on your keyboard.  Save user.js.

4.  The change to user.js becomes effective only when SeaMonkey is
initialized.  Terminate all instances of SeaMonkey.  Relaunch SeaMonkey.

The alternative is to request about:config and then create the preference
general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au
and give it the value
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:79.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/79.0
again, all on a single line.

I prefer using user.js because it provides me with a record of the
changes I have made.  You can add a comment there if it begins with two
virgules (//) to remind you of why you did this.  You cannot add
comments at about:config or in prefs.js.


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Re: That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[Daniel]

Dirk Fieldhouse wrote on 28/10/2020 12:32 AM:

On 27/10/2020 12:30, Daniel wrote:
I've received a letter from one of my Superannuation companies telling 
me they have lost me postal address (so how were they able to send me 
a letter?? The idiots!!) so I went to their website but was unable to 
log in because they didn't accept my SM 2.49.5, so I've set up a User 
Agent override, I hope, telling them I'm using FF/78. but that failed 
as well, so I'm asking is


general.useragent.complesOverride.ioof.com.au,userset,string,Firefox/78.0

correctly formatted?? If the company is IOOF, might capitalising the 
ioof help/be necessary??


Any suggestions, please!


Can't you just check the box that says "... my experience may be inferior"?

DNS names (ioof.com.au eg) are case-insensitive.

See eg here <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2647781> 
for more.


/df


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Re: That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[Daniel]

EE wrote on 28/10/2020 6:06 AM:

Daniel wrote:
I've received a letter from one of my Superannuation companies telling 
me they have lost me postal address (so how were they able to send me 
a letter?? The idiots!!) so I went to their website but was unable to 
log in because they didn't accept my SM 2.49.5, so I've set up a User 
Agent override, I hope, telling them I'm using FF/78. but that failed 
as well, so I'm asking is


general.useragent.complesOverride.ioof.com.au,userset,string,Firefox/78.0

correctly formatted?? If the company is IOOF, might capitalising the 
ioof help/be necessary??


Any suggestions, please!


The new string name would be:
general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au
and the new value would be:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0

O.K., so you're suggesting the 'complex' is unnecessary and the 
'override' should all be lower case. O.K., I'm game!


Done! When I later re-boot into Linux, I'll see if it works. Thanks.
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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


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Re: That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[EE]

Daniel wrote:
I've received a letter from one of my Superannuation companies telling 
me they have lost me postal address (so how were they able to send me a 
letter?? The idiots!!) so I went to their website but was unable to log 
in because they didn't accept my SM 2.49.5, so I've set up a User Agent 
override, I hope, telling them I'm using FF/78. but that failed as well, 
so I'm asking is


general.useragent.complesOverride.ioof.com.au,userset,string,Firefox/78.0

correctly formatted?? If the company is IOOF, might capitalising the 
ioof help/be necessary??


Any suggestions, please!


The new string name would be:
general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au
and the new value would be:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0


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Re: That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[David E. Ross]

On 10/27/2020 5:30 AM, Daniel wrote:
> I've received a letter from one of my Superannuation companies telling 
> me they have lost me postal address (so how were they able to send me a 
> letter?? The idiots!!) so I went to their website but was unable to log 
> in because they didn't accept my SM 2.49.5, so I've set up a User Agent 
> override, I hope, telling them I'm using FF/78. but that failed as well, 
> so I'm asking is
> 
> general.useragent.complesOverride.ioof.com.au,userset,string,Firefox/78.0
> 
> correctly formatted?? If the company is IOOF, might capitalising the 
> ioof help/be necessary??
> 
> Any suggestions, please!
> 

1.  Locate your profile.  On the menu bar, select [Help >
Troubleshooting Information].  Under Application Basics, select the Open
Folder button to the right of Profile Folder.

2.  In the profile, locate the file user.js.  If it does not exist,
create it with Wordpad or Notepad but NOT Word.

3.  Using Wordpad or Notepad in user.js, create the following entry all
on a single line:
user_pref("general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:79.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/79.0");
Note that the semi-colon (;) at the end is required.  If the entry wraps
when you enter it, that is okay; but do not manuall break the entry by
using the Enter or Return key on your keyboard.  Save user.js.

4.  The change to user.js becomes effective only when SeaMonkey is
initialized.  Terminate all instances of SeaMonkey.  Relaunch SeaMonkey.

The alternative is to request about:config and then create the preference
general.useragent.override.ioof.com.au
and give it the value
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:79.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/79.0
again, all on a single line.

I prefer using user.js because it provides me with a record of the
changes I have made.  You can add a comment there if it begins with two
virgules (//) to remind you of why you did this.  You cannot add
comments at about:config or in prefs.js.

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Re: That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 27/10/2020 12:30, Daniel wrote:
I've received a letter from one of my Superannuation companies telling 
me they have lost me postal address (so how were they able to send me a 
letter?? The idiots!!) so I went to their website but was unable to log 
in because they didn't accept my SM 2.49.5, so I've set up a User Agent 
override, I hope, telling them I'm using FF/78. but that failed as well, 
so I'm asking is


general.useragent.complesOverride.ioof.com.au,userset,string,Firefox/78.0

correctly formatted?? If the company is IOOF, might capitalising the 
ioof help/be necessary??


Any suggestions, please!


Can't you just check the box that says "... my experience may be inferior"?

DNS names (ioof.com.au eg) are case-insensitive.

See eg here <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2647781> 
for more.


/df

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That old bug-bear .... User Agent sniffing, I think

[Daniel]

I've received a letter from one of my Superannuation companies telling 
me they have lost me postal address (so how were they able to send me a 
letter?? The idiots!!) so I went to their website but was unable to log 
in because they didn't accept my SM 2.49.5, so I've set up a User Agent 
override, I hope, telling them I'm using FF/78. but that failed as well, 
so I'm asking is


general.useragent.complesOverride.ioof.com.au,userset,string,Firefox/78.0

correctly formatted?? If the company is IOOF, might capitalising the 
ioof help/be necessary??


Any suggestions, please!
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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: Command line prefbar user agent selection?

[Mark B]

Thanks to all who replied to my request for website-dependent useragent 
switching.


Adding the following in about:config

general.useragent.override.

(delete <>) with string

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like 
Gecko) Chrome/75.0.3770.142 Safari/537.36


seamlessly solves all the issues I was having.




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Re: Command line prefbar user agent selection?

[ConnorsGenealogy]

I am not on Windows 10 anymore, however do not know which windows I am actually 
in, will try to check and see.

Pat Connors
http://www.connorsgenealogy.com 

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 12:18:43 PM PST, ConnorsGenealogy 
 wrote:  
 
 I get my computer connection to the world through Comcast.  After years of 
ATT, Comcast is a nightmare.  Cannot use ATT because I moved to an apartment 
that will not allow any outside wires which ATT needs to connect both tv and 
computer.  So now using Comcast.  Two weeks ago, the comcast box died and could 
not can computer connection to the world.  So, after a week, a service man came 
and connected me to a new box.  Too my surprise, when I turned on the computer, 
I no longer had the screen that usually popped up but got a strange looking 
one, instead.  Turned out I was now on Windows10!  It was like greek after my 
old Windows I was on which I think was 8.
Anyhow, I tried to go backwards through a windows app and looks like I might be 
in windows 8 again but not really sure, just know it works better.  However, it 
does not like SeaMonkey.  Could not set up tabs and links didn't work.  At the 
same time, Yahoo email that ATT uses for email went through a new update.  I 
tried to set up my mail with Sea Monkey on my computer and on my laptop which 
didn't go through the windows problem but can no longer download my mail.  

Now have to go to E to get on yahoo and then read and answer mails there.  So 
far, online, I have found 3 different directions on how to set up my mail so I 
could download it on SeaMonkey, none worked.  I still have my laptop with 
SeaMonkey and that is where I am working on trying to get my email.  It was not 
online during the connection problem so SeaMonkey is working wonderfully on it, 
except for my email.

Yesterday I set up Firefox which allows me, at least, to set up tabs (like I 
used to be able to do with SeaMonkey) but still need to go to Yahoo site to 
read and answer my email.  I really want to go back to SeaMonkey which I have 
used since day one, back in the 1990s after Mozzilla quit.   Any suggestions on 
how I can get Sea Monkey to work on my computer again.  They have a conflict 
and I cannot even go from tab to tab, hard also to set up my tabs.

Pat Connors
http://www.connorsgenealogy.com 

    On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 2:40:09 AM PST, Daniel 
 wrote:  
 
 Daniel wrote on 17/02/2020 2:18 PM:
> Mark B wrote on 17/02/2020 8:21 AM:
>> Windows 10
>> SM 2.53.1b1
>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0
>>
>> Is it possible to specify a different user agent as a startup option 
>> for SM in a desktop shortcut?
>>
>> For example, a particular website will only allow a logon if I spoof 
>> FF or Chrome.  I do this by using the user agent switcher in my 
>> prefbar. So I would like the Shortcut Target to be something like:
>>
>> "C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -useragent FF 
>> "https://www.website.com/login.aspx#";
>>
>> If not possible using prefbar agent switcher, is there another way?
>>
>> TIA
> 
> Mark, as an alternative to David's suggestion, in your normal Profile, 
> you could set up a User Agent override preference specifically for your 
> troublesome site.
> 
> 1. Back-up your Profile.
> 2. In SeaMonkey, enter 'about:config' (without the inverted commas) 
> in the Browser address bar.
> 3. Accept the warning
> 4. Right Click on a clear area of the screen
> 5. Call the preference 'general.useragent.website.com', or whatever 
> the real website is.
> 6. Then enter a value, say Firefox 66.0
> 7. Close SeaMonkey entirely
> 
> When you reboot SeaMonkey and go to your troublesome website, SeaMonkey 
> will present the specific UA to that site. Any normal site will still 
> see the usual UA.
> 
> HTH.
> 
... and, NFN Smith has reminded me that the modified UA preference in my 
Step 5 should actually be 'general.useragent.override.website.com'!

Opps!!

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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134

Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
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Re: Command line prefbar user agent selection?

[ConnorsGenealogy]

I get my computer connection to the world through Comcast.  After years of ATT, 
Comcast is a nightmare.  Cannot use ATT because I moved to an apartment that 
will not allow any outside wires which ATT needs to connect both tv and 
computer.  So now using Comcast.  Two weeks ago, the comcast box died and could 
not can computer connection to the world.  So, after a week, a service man came 
and connected me to a new box.  Too my surprise, when I turned on the computer, 
I no longer had the screen that usually popped up but got a strange looking 
one, instead.  Turned out I was now on Windows10!  It was like greek after my 
old Windows I was on which I think was 8.
Anyhow, I tried to go backwards through a windows app and looks like I might be 
in windows 8 again but not really sure, just know it works better.  However, it 
does not like SeaMonkey.  Could not set up tabs and links didn't work.  At the 
same time, Yahoo email that ATT uses for email went through a new update.  I 
tried to set up my mail with Sea Monkey on my computer and on my laptop which 
didn't go through the windows problem but can no longer download my mail.  

Now have to go to E to get on yahoo and then read and answer mails there.  So 
far, online, I have found 3 different directions on how to set up my mail so I 
could download it on SeaMonkey, none worked.  I still have my laptop with 
SeaMonkey and that is where I am working on trying to get my email.  It was not 
online during the connection problem so SeaMonkey is working wonderfully on it, 
except for my email.

Yesterday I set up Firefox which allows me, at least, to set up tabs (like I 
used to be able to do with SeaMonkey) but still need to go to Yahoo site to 
read and answer my email.  I really want to go back to SeaMonkey which I have 
used since day one, back in the 1990s after Mozzilla quit.   Any suggestions on 
how I can get Sea Monkey to work on my computer again.  They have a conflict 
and I cannot even go from tab to tab, hard also to set up my tabs.

Pat Connors
http://www.connorsgenealogy.com 

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 2:40:09 AM PST, Daniel 
 wrote:  
 
 Daniel wrote on 17/02/2020 2:18 PM:
> Mark B wrote on 17/02/2020 8:21 AM:
>> Windows 10
>> SM 2.53.1b1
>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0
>>
>> Is it possible to specify a different user agent as a startup option 
>> for SM in a desktop shortcut?
>>
>> For example, a particular website will only allow a logon if I spoof 
>> FF or Chrome.  I do this by using the user agent switcher in my 
>> prefbar. So I would like the Shortcut Target to be something like:
>>
>> "C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -useragent FF 
>> "https://www.website.com/login.aspx#";
>>
>> If not possible using prefbar agent switcher, is there another way?
>>
>> TIA
> 
> Mark, as an alternative to David's suggestion, in your normal Profile, 
> you could set up a User Agent override preference specifically for your 
> troublesome site.
> 
> 1. Back-up your Profile.
> 2. In SeaMonkey, enter 'about:config' (without the inverted commas) 
> in the Browser address bar.
> 3. Accept the warning
> 4. Right Click on a clear area of the screen
> 5. Call the preference 'general.useragent.website.com', or whatever 
> the real website is.
> 6. Then enter a value, say Firefox 66.0
> 7. Close SeaMonkey entirely
> 
> When you reboot SeaMonkey and go to your troublesome website, SeaMonkey 
> will present the specific UA to that site. Any normal site will still 
> see the usual UA.
> 
> HTH.
> 
... and, NFN Smith has reminded me that the modified UA preference in my 
Step 5 should actually be 'general.useragent.override.website.com'!

Opps!!

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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134

Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
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Re: Command line prefbar user agent selection?

[Daniel]

Daniel wrote on 17/02/2020 2:18 PM:

Mark B wrote on 17/02/2020 8:21 AM:

Windows 10
SM 2.53.1b1
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0


Is it possible to specify a different user agent as a startup option 
for SM in a desktop shortcut?


For example, a particular website will only allow a logon if I spoof 
FF or Chrome.  I do this by using the user agent switcher in my 
prefbar. So I would like the Shortcut Target to be something like:


"C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -useragent FF 
"https://www.website.com/login.aspx#";


If not possible using prefbar agent switcher, is there another way?

TIA


Mark, as an alternative to David's suggestion, in your normal Profile, 
you could set up a User Agent override preference specifically for your 
troublesome site.


1. Back-up your Profile.
2. In SeaMonkey, enter 'about:config' (without the inverted commas) 
in the Browser address bar.

3. Accept the warning
4. Right Click on a clear area of the screen
5. Call the preference 'general.useragent.website.com', or whatever 
the real website is.

6. Then enter a value, say Firefox 66.0
7. Close SeaMonkey entirely

When you reboot SeaMonkey and go to your troublesome website, SeaMonkey 
will present the specific UA to that site. Any normal site will still 
see the usual UA.


HTH.

... and, NFN Smith has reminded me that the modified UA preference in my 
Step 5 should actually be 'general.useragent.override.website.com'!


Opps!!

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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
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Re: Command line prefbar user agent selection?

[NFN Smith]

Mark B wrote:


Is it possible to specify a different user agent as a startup option for 
SM in a desktop shortcut?


For example, a particular website will only allow a logon if I spoof FF 
or Chrome.  I do this by using the user agent switcher in my prefbar. So 
I would like the Shortcut Target to be something like:


"C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -useragent FF 
"https://www.website.com/login.aspx#";


If not possible using prefbar agent switcher, is there another way?



I'm not aware of being able to do this from a command line.

Even though I'm an enthusiastic user of PrefBar for spoofing, there's a 
a few sites that I visit often enough that I don't want to bother with 
having to arrive at the site, get nagged about not running a browser 
they don't like, use PrefBar to change the UA, reload the page, and then 
remember to go back to the default UA when I'm done.


Thus, what I do for that is to use the site-specific variant of 
general.useragent.override in about:config, to show the UA that I want 
them to see, and that's visible every time that I visit those sites, and 
I don't have to bother with adjusting when I visit.


One of the sites is Google's main page at google.com, which has an 
annoying quirk of mis-locating a cursor in their search bar, if it sees 
a Seamonkey UA.  Thus, I have: general.useragent.override.google.com set 
to show


  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/68.0


I do the same for a couple of financial institutions that insist that I 
should not be using Seamonkey 2.49.5, and for both of those, I have 
entries that show:


  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1


This latter one is what I believe will be used when Seamonkey 2.53 is 
released, and I do want Seamonkey showing up in server logs.  However, 
for the two sites in question, I don't think they really care about 
Seamonkey one way or the other, so long as their sniffers detect a 
Firefox version that is >= 60.


Smith


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Re: Command line prefbar user agent selection?

[Daniel]

Mark B wrote on 17/02/2020 8:21 AM:

Windows 10
SM 2.53.1b1
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0


Is it possible to specify a different user agent as a startup option for 
SM in a desktop shortcut?


For example, a particular website will only allow a logon if I spoof FF 
or Chrome.  I do this by using the user agent switcher in my prefbar. So 
I would like the Shortcut Target to be something like:


"C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -useragent FF 
"https://www.website.com/login.aspx#";


If not possible using prefbar agent switcher, is there another way?

TIA


Mark, as an alternative to David's suggestion, in your normal Profile, 
you could set up a User Agent override preference specifically for your 
troublesome site.


1. Back-up your Profile.
2. In SeaMonkey, enter 'about:config' (without the inverted commas) 
in the Browser address bar.

3. Accept the warning
4. Right Click on a clear area of the screen
5. Call the preference 'general.useragent.website.com', or whatever 
the real website is.

6. Then enter a value, say Firefox 66.0
7. Close SeaMonkey entirely

When you reboot SeaMonkey and go to your troublesome website, SeaMonkey 
will present the specific UA to that site. Any normal site will still 
see the usual UA.


HTH.

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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
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Re: Command line prefbar user agent selection?

[David E. Ross]

On 2/16/2020 1:21 PM, Mark B wrote:
> Windows 10
> SM 2.53.1b1
> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0
> 
> Is it possible to specify a different user agent as a startup option for 
> SM in a desktop shortcut?
> 
> For example, a particular website will only allow a logon if I spoof FF 
> or Chrome.  I do this by using the user agent switcher in my prefbar. 
> So I would like the Shortcut Target to be something like:
> 
> "C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -useragent FF 
> "https://www.website.com/login.aspx#";
> 
> If not possible using prefbar agent switcher, is there another way?
> 
> TIA
> 

Get around this problem by creating a second, special profile where the
spoofing is automatic by setting the preference to "Advertise Firefox
compatibility".  Switch to that profile for the Web site that needs
Firefox, and the switch back to your usual profile.

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Re: Command line prefbar user agent selection?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Mark B wrote:


Windows 10
SM 2.53.1b1
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0


Is it possible to specify a different user agent as a startup option for 
SM in a desktop shortcut?


For example, a particular website will only allow a logon if I spoof FF 
or Chrome. I do this by using the user agent switcher in my prefbar. So 
I would like the Shortcut Target to be something like:


"C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -useragent FF 
"https://www.website.com/login.aspx#";


If not possible using prefbar agent switcher, is there another way?


There is.

Instead of using Prefbar, create a new key in about:config as follows:

Name: general.useragent.override.dumbsite.com
Type: string
Value: whatever UA you want to feed to dumbsite.com

Of course, you'll replace "dumbsite.com" with the appropriate site name.

Then your shortcut only needs to specify the target URL, because SM 
automatically lies to dumbsite.com without being told.


Downside: at some future date, you will have to remember to update or 
remove the new configuration key due to software changes.


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Command line prefbar user agent selection?

[Mark B]

Windows 10
SM 2.53.1b1
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0


Is it possible to specify a different user agent as a startup option for 
SM in a desktop shortcut?


For example, a particular website will only allow a logon if I spoof FF 
or Chrome.  I do this by using the user agent switcher in my prefbar. 
So I would like the Shortcut Target to be something like:


"C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -useragent FF 
"https://www.website.com/login.aspx#";


If not possible using prefbar agent switcher, is there another way?

TIA
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Re: User agent switcher

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son:

🐴 Mr. Ed 🐴 wrote:



What was with that posting?
No content, and when I wanted to reply to it I had to insert the
Newsgroup address using copy and paste?


Such happens sometimes. Seems to be a race condition. Normally it helps
clearing the cache via

Preferences > Advanced > Cache

Hartmut



Thanks - that worked.

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Re: User agent switcher

[Hartmut Figge]

Don Spam's Reckless Son:
>🐴 Mr. Ed 🐴 wrote:

>What was with that posting?
>No content, and when I wanted to reply to it I had to insert the 
>Newsgroup address using copy and paste?

Such happens sometimes. Seems to be a race condition. Normally it helps
clearing the cache via

Preferences > Advanced > Cache

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Re: User agent switcher

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

🐴 Mr. Ed 🐴 wrote:

What was with that posting?
No content, and when I wanted to reply to it I had to insert the 
Newsgroup address using copy and paste?


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Re: User agent switcher

[🐴 Mr . Ed 🐴 via support-seamonkey]

  
  

  On 2/8/2020 1:37 PM, EE wrote:
  
  Ken
wrote: 
I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows
  10.  What is the best switcher/changer to use with this
  version?  I searched the add-ons and most say they are not
  compatible with my version of SM. 


What you need to do is increase the max version of the target
application in install.rdf inside the .xpi file before trying to
install it. 
  
  
  You can also go here:  http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
  Follow simple directions and it will be done for you.
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Re: User agent switcher

[Daniel]

NFN Smith wrote on 11/02/2020 9:54 AM:

Daniel wrote:
Whilst reading your post, I was wondering "What would happen if 
someone were to use a UA string something like 'FF 99.60.1' or 'SM 
99.53.1'"


O.K., maybe the '99' might be a little far fetched, but, rather then 
spoofing the newest version UA or a near future UA, spoof a far future 
UA and see if it would (always) be 'acceptable'!!



It's certainly possible, although something that's too far away from 
something reasonable might get you noticed.  There's a lot of botnet 
traffic out there that shows forged UAs, and some web site admins may 
set their sites to reject connections from UAs that are obviously bogus.


Smith


Valid ... but that would mean that admins might get away with, say, FF 
70, but, in the not to distant future, they'd be adjusting their filters 
to FF 80, or something higher, again.

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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: User agent switcher

[NFN Smith]

Daniel wrote:
Whilst reading your post, I was wondering "What would happen if someone 
were to use a UA string something like 'FF 99.60.1' or 'SM 99.53.1'"


O.K., maybe the '99' might be a little far fetched, but, rather then 
spoofing the newest version UA or a near future UA, spoof a far future 
UA and see if it would (always) be 'acceptable'!!



It's certainly possible, although something that's too far away from 
something reasonable might get you noticed.  There's a lot of botnet 
traffic out there that shows forged UAs, and some web site admins may 
set their sites to reject connections from UAs that are obviously bogus.


Smith
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Re: User agent switcher

[Daniel]

NFN Smith wrote on 9/02/2020 5:26 AM:



One other place that I make occasional use of browser spoofing is if I'm 
testing access filters on the web page I maintain.  There's a lot of 
forged stuff that's from botnet access, and by temporarily showing a bad 
UA that I recognize from the logs, I can verify if my filters are 
correctly rejecting access that shows that particular UA.  One that I've 
seen a lot of over the last couple of years is accesses that claim to be 
"Firefox 40.1" (a version of Firefox that was never valid), and setting 
Seamonkey to show that one allowed me verify that the web site is 
rejecting those accesses.


Although the most common reason for spoofing (especially by a Seamonkey 
user) would be to get around sites that are demanding current versions 
of Firefox, there's other useful things that you can do with spoofing.


Smith

Whilst reading your post, I was wondering "What would happen if someone 
were to use a UA string something like 'FF 99.60.1' or 'SM 99.53.1'"


O.K., maybe the '99' might be a little far fetched, but, rather then 
spoofing the newest version UA or a near future UA, spoof a far future 
UA and see if it would (always) be 'acceptable'!!


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Win7 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


Linux User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: User agent switcher

[🐴 Mr . Ed 🐴 via support-seamonkey]

  
  
On 2/8/2020 1:37 PM, EE wrote:

Ken wrote:
  
  I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows
10.  What is the best switcher/changer to use with this
version?  I searched the add-ons and most say they are not
compatible with my version of SM.

  
  
  What you need to do is increase the max version of the target
  application in install.rdf inside the .xpi file before trying to
  install it.
  


You can also go here:  http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
Follow simple directions and it will be done for you.
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Re: User agent switcher

[EE]

Ken wrote:
I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows 10.  What is the best 
switcher/changer to use with this version?  I searched the add-ons and most 
say they are not compatible with my version of SM.


What you need to do is increase the max version of the target application in 
install.rdf inside the .xpi file before trying to install it.

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Re: User agent switcher

[NFN Smith]

Ken wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:




One more vote for PrefBar.  Yes, you have to periodically update the 
list of browsers.


Smith

How do you do this



I keep a PrefBar taskbar, which includes a drop-down for UA 
specification.  That allows me to change the UA on demand.


To adjust UA strings, I right-click on that, and select "Edit button 
'User Agent'.


That gives the list of UAs available, and I can edit from there.

Since I have Firefox, Chrome, Opera and PaleMoon all available on my 
computer (whether full installations or portable), I can find the UAs of 
current versions.  Plus, I do some measure of spoofing of operating 
system.  In particular, I keep one setting that shows Firefox 68 with 
Mac Mojave, to allow for downloading at sites that support both Windows 
and Mac, but use browser sniffing to decide which download that they're 
going to give you (and assuming that you're installing immediately). By 
spoofing O/S, I can download Mac versions of stuff that I keep in my 
downloads archive.


I also have one UA setting that shows Firefox 60 and Seamonkey 2.53.1, 
which I use on sites that complain about Firefox 52 and Seamonkey 2.49.5.


One other place that I make occasional use of browser spoofing is if I'm 
testing access filters on the web page I maintain.  There's a lot of 
forged stuff that's from botnet access, and by temporarily showing a bad 
UA that I recognize from the logs, I can verify if my filters are 
correctly rejecting access that shows that particular UA.  One that I've 
seen a lot of over the last couple of years is accesses that claim to be 
"Firefox 40.1" (a version of Firefox that was never valid), and setting 
Seamonkey to show that one allowed me verify that the web site is 
rejecting those accesses.


Although the most common reason for spoofing (especially by a Seamonkey 
user) would be to get around sites that are demanding current versions 
of Firefox, there's other useful things that you can do with spoofing.


Smith

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Re: User agent switcher

[Ant]

I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows 10.  What is the best 
switcher/changer to use with this version?  I searched the add-ons 
and most say they are not compatible with my version of SM.


I still use PrefBar from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org.


I am using PrefBar version 7.1.1 and the choices for spoofing are 
just like the link you posted.  I tried several of the choices and 
they seemed very old compared to current browser versions.  Is there 
something better???


One more vote for PrefBar.  Yes, you have to periodically update the 
list of browsers.



How do you do this


You have to update PrefBar's user agents manually like shown in mine in 
this uploaded screen shot/capture: 
https://justpaste.it/img/small/afacb36c43ec9bb55ace138c138c3075.gif

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Re: User agent switcher

[Ken]

NFN Smith wrote:

Ken wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 2/7/2020 12:41 PM, Ken wrote:
I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows 10.  What is the best 
switcher/changer to use with this version?  I searched the add-ons 
and most say they are not compatible with my version of SM.


I still use PrefBar from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org.


I am using PrefBar version 7.1.1 and the choices for spoofing are just 
like the link you posted.  I tried several of the choices and they 
seemed very old compared to current browser versions.  Is there 
something better???



One more vote for PrefBar.  Yes, you have to periodically update the 
list of browsers.


Smith

How do you do this
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Re: User agent switcher

[NFN Smith]

Ken wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 2/7/2020 12:41 PM, Ken wrote:
I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows 10.  What is the best 
switcher/changer to use with this version?  I searched the add-ons 
and most say they are not compatible with my version of SM.


I still use PrefBar from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org.


I am using PrefBar version 7.1.1 and the choices for spoofing are just 
like the link you posted.  I tried several of the choices and they 
seemed very old compared to current browser versions.  Is there 
something better???



One more vote for PrefBar.  Yes, you have to periodically update the 
list of browsers.


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Re: User agent switcher

[David E. Ross]

On 2/7/2020 1:29 PM, Ken wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> On 2/7/2020 12:41 PM, Ken wrote:
>>> I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows 10.  What is the best 
>>> switcher/changer to use with this version?  I searched the add-ons and 
>>> most say they are not compatible with my version of SM.
>>
>> I still use PrefBar from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org.
> 
> I am using PrefBar version 7.1.1 and the choices for spoofing are just 
> like the link you posted.  I tried several of the choices and they 
> seemed very old compared to current browser versions.  Is there 
> something better???
> 

Every so often, I check my ISP's log of visits to my Web site.  The log
includes the user agent (UA) strings of the browsers that accessed my
Web site.  I use that to update PrefBar's list.

I have not updated recently.  The latest UA strings include Firefox 66,
Chrome 78.0.3904.108, and Edge 18.17763.  If I have time this weekend
(quite likely since I am laid up with a sore foot), I plan to update the
list.  If you want a copy of the list, reply in this thread.  The copy
will be exported from PrefBar, and you can import it into your version
of PrefBar without having to manually change each entry.

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Re: User agent switcher

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi,

I use "User Agent Switcher" 0.7.3.1
https://addons.thunderbird.net/de/seamonkey/addon/user-agent-switcher/
Converted via  http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/

Works fine for me.

CU

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Re: User agent switcher

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Ken wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 2/7/2020 12:41 PM, Ken wrote:
I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows 10.  What is the best 
switcher/changer to use with this version?  I searched the add-ons and most 
say they are not compatible with my version of SM.


I still use PrefBar from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org.


I am using PrefBar version 7.1.1 and the choices for spoofing are just like 
the link you posted.  I tried several of the choices and they seemed very old 
compared to current browser versions.  Is there something better???


You can add new ones easy in prefbar.

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Re: User agent switcher

[Ken]

Ant wrote:

On 2/7/2020 12:41 PM, Ken wrote:
I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows 10.  What is the best 
switcher/changer to use with this version?  I searched the add-ons and 
most say they are not compatible with my version of SM.


I still use PrefBar from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org.


I am using PrefBar version 7.1.1 and the choices for spoofing are just 
like the link you posted.  I tried several of the choices and they 
seemed very old compared to current browser versions.  Is there 
something better???

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Re: User agent switcher

[Ant]

On 2/7/2020 12:41 PM, Ken wrote:
I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows 10.  What is the best 
switcher/changer to use with this version?  I searched the add-ons and 
most say they are not compatible with my version of SM.


I still use PrefBar from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org.
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User agent switcher

[Ken]

I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.5 with Windows 10.  What is the best 
switcher/changer to use with this version?  I searched the add-ons and 
most say they are not compatible with my version of SM.

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Re: UA String Updates - User Agent Switcher

[Rainer Bielefeld]

On 03.12.2019 21:53, Edward wrote:

Unfortunately, all of the User Agent switcher



Hallo,

did you already try "User Agent Switcher" from
https://seamonkeyde.wordpress.com/2019/01/09/classic-add-ons-archive/
after having it converted
https://wp.me/p7kLBG-dI
it for your SM version?

CU

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Re: User Agent in Prefbar

[EE]

DoctorBill wrote:

As you may know, Google has messed with their Search Engine and now
the cursor has changed position, etc.

If I change the User Agent in "Prefbar" to  -  IE 9.0 win 7  -  the Google
cursor goes back to what it used to be.

Is there some way to make this User Agent PERMANENT in SeaMonkey ?
i.e. - to make it always use IE 9.0 win 7 as the User Agent ?

DoctorBill


You could add a user-agent override in about:config and see if that fixes it.

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Re: User Agent in Prefbar

[Nuno Silva]

On 2019-10-29, David E. Ross wrote:

> On 10/28/2019 8:42 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
>> As you may know, Google has messed with their Search Engine and now
>> the cursor has changed position, etc.
>> 
>> If I change the User Agent in "Prefbar" to  -  IE 9.0 win 7  -  the Google
>> cursor goes back to what it used to be.
>> 
>> Is there some way to make this User Agent PERMANENT in SeaMonkey ?
>> i.e. - to make it always use IE 9.0 win 7 as the User Agent ?
>> 
>> DoctorBill
>> 
>
> If IE 9.0 is already an option under Prefbar's User Agent, just remember
> to select it when you want to use Google's search; and then remember to
> restore the default UA string when you leave Google.
>
> Personally, I would not bother.  I usually use DuckDuckGo for searches.
> If I need to use Google, I ignore the strange positioning of my cursor
> and input.  Too many other poorly designed Web sites have strangeness
> for Google's strangeness to bother me.

Why not make that User-Agent permanent for google?:

Select the desired User-Agent using Prefbar, confirm that it makes
Google search work as desired, then

Open about:config and search for general.useragent.override. It should
show up with a value that is the IE9 User-Agent string.

Copy its value (right click on that line -> Copy Value), then create a
new string preference (right click anywhere in the about:config
preference list -> New -> String), name it
general.useragent.override.google.com and, when asked for the value,
paste the value you copied from the other preference.

This will set an override for google.com. You may need to add overrides
for other Google domains if Google redirects you to a different
"regional" Google site.

(If you later wish to undo this modification, search for
general.useragent.override.google.com, right click on it and choose
Reset. It will then show up with an empty value and it will be gone
the next time you start Seamonkey.)

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Re: User Agent in Prefbar

[David E. Ross]

On 10/28/2019 8:42 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
> As you may know, Google has messed with their Search Engine and now
> the cursor has changed position, etc.
> 
> If I change the User Agent in "Prefbar" to  -  IE 9.0 win 7  -  the Google
> cursor goes back to what it used to be.
> 
> Is there some way to make this User Agent PERMANENT in SeaMonkey ?
> i.e. - to make it always use IE 9.0 win 7 as the User Agent ?
> 
> DoctorBill
> 

If IE 9.0 is already an option under Prefbar's User Agent, just remember
to select it when you want to use Google's search; and then remember to
restore the default UA string when you leave Google.

Personally, I would not bother.  I usually use DuckDuckGo for searches.
If I need to use Google, I ignore the strange positioning of my cursor
and input.  Too many other poorly designed Web sites have strangeness
for Google's strangeness to bother me.

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Re: User Agent in Prefbar

[Paul in Houston, TX]

DoctorBill wrote:

As you may know, Google has messed with their Search Engine and now
the cursor has changed position, etc.

If I change the User Agent in "Prefbar" to  -  IE 9.0 win 7  -  the Google
cursor goes back to what it used to be.

Is there some way to make this User Agent PERMANENT in SeaMonkey ?
i.e. - to make it always use IE 9.0 win 7 as the User Agent ?

DoctorBill


Research how to set UA in prefs using about:config.
general.useragent.override
A problem with permanent is that other websites may not work with 
Win7/IE 9.0 and you will need to change to some thing else.

It's very similar to changing the UA in FireFox.
https://www.howtogeek.com/113439/how-to-change-your-browsers-user-agent-without-installing-any-extensions/

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User Agent in Prefbar

[DoctorBill]

As you may know, Google has messed with their Search Engine and now
the cursor has changed position, etc.

If I change the User Agent in "Prefbar" to  -  IE 9.0 win 7  -  the Google
cursor goes back to what it used to be.

Is there some way to make this User Agent PERMANENT in SeaMonkey ?
i.e. - to make it always use IE 9.0 win 7 as the User Agent ?

DoctorBill
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Re: User Agent

[EE]

Frosted Flake wrote:
What is the recommended/preferred method to make a website see SeaMonkey as 
Firefox?


If it is only for one website, just use a specific user-agent override for it.

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Re: User Agent

[WaltS48]

On 6/15/19 12:13 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

meagain wrote:

Why is the "user agent" still needed?  Seriously, have html 
implementations diverged so much?


For reasons that have always escaped me, web designers nowadays prefer 
to write several versions of their code, each custom-tailored to one of 
their favorite (familiar) browsers, instead of writing one W3C-compliant 
version that works on all browsers. Then in order to make this 
needlessly cumbersome system work, they have to "sniff" the browser (ask 
it what it is) and then serve the appropriate version (if it's one of 
the approved browsers) or an error message (if it's not).




I think it was in the olden days that web designers wrote several 
versions of their code tailored to a favorite browser, and it is an old 
habit that was passed on to new designers.


Standards compliant versions should work in any browser that supports 
those standards and the new web technology.


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Re: User Agent

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 15/06/19 01:34, WaltS48 wrote:

On 6/14/19 8:18 PM, meagain wrote:
...>
Why is the "user agent" still needed?  Seriously, have html 
implementations diverged so much?


Not so just HTML but CSS and JS as well. If anything, implementations 
have converged. But there's nothing so precious as a web designer's layout.



Probably so the web server knows it is a secure browser accessing it.

But I could be mistaken.


The discussion of spoofing has indicated why the UA string is neither 
useful nor effective as a security feature.


What actually happens is a sort of informal conspiracy of folly 
involving ignorant pointy-headed bosses and full-of-themselves designers 
either as web-site creators or as creators of web design tools, not to 
forget embrace-and-extend browser corporations encouraging the use of 
their own features.


This <https://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/> applies.

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Re: User Agent

[Paul B. Gallagher]

meagain wrote:

Why is the "user agent" still needed?  Seriously, have html 
implementations diverged so much?


For reasons that have always escaped me, web designers nowadays prefer 
to write several versions of their code, each custom-tailored to one of 
their favorite (familiar) browsers, instead of writing one W3C-compliant 
version that works on all browsers. Then in order to make this 
needlessly cumbersome system work, they have to "sniff" the browser (ask 
it what it is) and then serve the appropriate version (if it's one of 
the approved browsers) or an error message (if it's not).


Then people like us who use one of the unapproved browsers are forced 
into various means of "spoofing" an approved browser (lying to the 
sniffer) so we don't get rejected. That's what this whole thread has 
been about. If you don't send a UA string, the website will not be able 
to identify you as an approved browser (silence is not an effective 
lie), and it will generate an error message instead of a page 
custom-tailored to the browser you pretend to be using.


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Re: User Agent

[WaltS48]

On 6/14/19 8:18 PM, meagain wrote:

 Original Message 
What is the recommended/preferred method to make a website see 
SeaMonkey as Firefox?


Why is the "user agent" still needed?  Seriously, have html 
implementations diverged so much?


Probably so the web server knows it is a secure browser accessing it.

But I could be mistaken.

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Re: User Agent

[meagain]

 Original Message 
What is the recommended/preferred method to make a website see SeaMonkey 
as Firefox?


Why is the "user agent" still needed?  Seriously, have html 
implementations diverged so much?

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Re: User Agent

[NFN Smith]

Frosted Flake wrote:
What is the recommended/preferred method to make a website see SeaMonkey 
as Firefox?



Three ways of going about that:

1) Use the config setting for "Advertise Firefox Compatibility".  That 
one causes Seamonkey to show a Firefox User Agent string, with Seamonkey 
version information tagged onto the end.  With that active, my own 
setting is:


  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4


I believe that that's the default setting, although there are a few 
sites out there that will explicitly object if they see "Seamonkey".


2) Change the setting through an extension. Other responses in this 
thread have mentioned PrefBar and UserAgent Switcher. Personally, I like 
PrefBar, but either works adequately.  What you get with the extensions 
is that you can change what User Agent string your browser is showing on 
demand. In my own use, it's rare that I have to adjust what I have 
above, relative to Firefox and Seamonkey, but one place where I do 
spoofing is that although I normally work from Windows, I do some 
downloads of Mac software.  Some download sites use browser sniffing to 
determine what platform you're running, and then when you download, they 
give you the download that corresponds with your platform (but nothing 
else).  Thus, if I want a Mac .DMG file, I will set my UA string so that 
it shows that I'm running MacOS, rather than a 64-bit version of Windows 7.


3) You can also do spoofing via settings in your prefs.js file, using 
general.user.agent.override , where you specify what UA you want to 
show.  That one does things globally.  You can also do things on a 
per-site basis by adding the name of the server to the string.  Thus, if 
you don't like the Google's location of your cursor at the main Google 
web page, you can set general.useragent.override.google.com to show 
Firefox (without Seamonkey), and that applies to just Google.


What method you use depends on your preferences.  Considerations:

- If you use the extension method, then that changes things globally, 
including what's used in your email's User-Agent: header. If you're 
spoofing another browser, and you send mail, then your mail will show 
that you're using the spoofed browser as your mail client. Most people 
won't notice, but I run the Display Mail User Agent extension, and it's 
really obvious that spoofing is active if I see a message that purports 
to have been sent by Firefox, and not mail client. Thus, if you're 
spoofing this way, it's probably best to spoof only as long as you need 
it, and then switch back to the default when you no longer need.


- If you're spoofing via general.user-agent.override, that's a 
relatively permanent setting, and you might want to apply that for only 
certain sites that really require spoofing. I haven't really used this 
one, so I don't know of possible effects for email, although you're more 
likely to see issues if you use the global setting than if you limit to 
specific sites.


- If you do spoofing, you do have to make periodic updates to the string 
you're showing, so that what you're showing is reasonably current. If 
you are spoofing something old (especially a Firefox version that was in 
circulation only a short time, because of updates), it's pretty obvious 
that you're spoofing, and that does turn up in server logs.  Some web 
admins may be aggressive about blocking access to old versions, because 
that kind of spoofing is commonly used by bots and other malicious activity.


I will note that one of the more common bots shows itself as 
(supposedly) running Firefox 40.1, but that was never a valid version, 
and many web sites will reject connections that show that UA.


Smith

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Re: User Agent

[Yamo']

Hi,

Frosted Flake a tapoté le 14/06/2019 00:03:
> What is the recommended/preferred method to make a website see SeaMonkey 
> as Firefox?



I use UserAgentSwitcher for many years (maybe a little outdated but it
work fine).

You can use the string from here :



Another solution without any extension given here par another poster :
you can just add this configuration :


In user.js :
user_pref("general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");

In about:config (without restart of Seamonkey) :

Add New String :
general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0


You can replace whatsapp.com with the domain of the bad site.


By example

For useragentstring.com

general.useragent.override.useragentstring.com
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:64.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/64.0



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Re: User Agent

[David E. Ross]

On 6/13/2019 3:03 PM, Frosted Flake wrote:
> What is the recommended/preferred method to make a website see SeaMonkey 
> as Firefox?
> 

I use the PrefBar extension.  It has a User Agent menu list.

Every so often, I review the log of visits to my Web site, which is
produced by my ISP's Web server.  It shows the UA strings of browsers
that visited.  I use that to update the list of UA strings in PrefBar.

NOTE:  The PrefBar extension that I use is compatible with SeaMonkey
2.49.4.  However, it is NOT compatible with Webextensions.  Not all of
its features can be implemented under Webextensions.

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User Agent

[Frosted Flake]

What is the recommended/preferred method to make a website see SeaMonkey 
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Re: prefbar default user agent

[Daniel]

Richmond wrote on 22/12/2018 7:28 AM:

NFN Smith wrote:




If it's just Google that's giving you this kind of problem, I suggest a
different approach. Instead of spoofing via PrefBar, go to about:config,
and add one entry:

 general.useragent.override.google.com



Thanks for your reply. I had been doing much trouble shooting and
settled on creating this preference:

general.useragent.override

But I think your solution is better. So I will try it next.

It was very confusing to see this preference:

general.useragent.complexOverride.moodle

I could not find out what it is.

It's not easy to find out about preferences which are not there unless
you create them.

Richmond, I had a look at http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries 
but couldn't find anything for '.complex' let alone 'Override.moodle'. ;-(


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SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: prefbar default user agent

[Richmond]

NFN Smith wrote:

> 
> 
> If it's just Google that's giving you this kind of problem, I suggest a
> different approach. Instead of spoofing via PrefBar, go to about:config,
> and add one entry:
> 
> general.useragent.override.google.com
> 

Thanks for your reply. I had been doing much trouble shooting and
settled on creating this preference:

general.useragent.override

But I think your solution is better. So I will try it next.

It was very confusing to see this preference:

general.useragent.complexOverride.moodle

I could not find out what it is.

It's not easy to find out about preferences which are not there unless
you create them.
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Re: prefbar default user agent

[NFN Smith]

Richmond wrote:

Is there a way to make pref-bar default to a Firefox user agent string?
I have tried putting this as the init-function:

js:useragent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0"

But it doesn't seem to be working. What I want it to do is start with a
Firefox UA rather than start with Real UA and then I have to change it.
(Testing by restarting the browser and visiting google search.) Google
has clearly lost the plot on agent sniffing. I am going to call it Goofy
from now on.



I've used PrefBar for years, but never encountered that particular 
issue, although I can't recall explicitly wanting to start the browser 
with spoofing active.


I just ran a couple of checks on my own copy -- I set Seamonkey to show 
another UA, and the restarted, and after the restart, it was still 
showing the selected agent, and I don't have any code in the init-function.


What's happening is that Google is mishandling display, because the 
Seamonkey designation comes after Firefox. I've seen suggestions about 
reversing the order by putting Seamonkey before Firefox, but when I 
tried that, I still get the funky display at Google.  Looks like they're 
mishandling anything that looks like that.


Just for fun, I decided to see how they handle PaleMoon. I started first 
in PaleMoon, and I got the correct display.  Then I put the PaleMoon UA 
into a PrefBar button, and when I went to Google, I got the same 
(correct) display.  The string that I'm using is:


  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.9) Gecko/20100101 
Goanna/4.1 Firefox/60.9 PaleMoon/28.2.2


I haven't tested further to see what variants can be made to convince 
Google to give me the correct display.


If it's just Google that's giving you this kind of problem, I suggest a 
different approach. Instead of spoofing via PrefBar, go to about:config, 
and add one entry:


general.useragent.override.google.com

and then set the UA to whatever you want to be showing google.  If you 
do it that way, then you're spoofing only for Google, and then showing 
your normal UA to everybody else.


Normally, I don't like permanent spoofing via about:config, because as 
often as possible, I want to be showing the normal Seamonkey UA, but 
doing that for a specific domain is definitely appropriate.


One other consideration that is Seamonkey-specific: when you're doing 
spoofing, that affects not just the browser, but your mail client, as 
well. Although not a lot of attention is paid to User-Agent: headers in 
email, they're not insignificant, either. I happen to use the Display 
Mail User Agent extension, and for the message I'm replying to, you had 
spoofing active, and as a result, the extension was showing an orange 
Firefox logo, rather than expected blue Seamonkey logo.


There may be occasions where browser spoofing could cause problems for 
mail handling. When I was running a mail server, I made some amount of 
checking of User-Agent: headers, where the server would reject mail from 
clients that didn't show an acceptable version. The primary intent of 
this one was to force our users to use reasonably current versions of 
clients (especially with updated security fixes), but I found that it 
also did some useful work as a spam filter, as some spammers are 
lazy/sloppy, and will show User-Agent: headers that are really old or 
versions that were never valid. (I do the same kind of work on the web 
server I maintain, where I reject traffic from connections that show old 
or invalid browser UAs). It's unlikely, but you could bump into this 
kind of filtering, where messages you send could be rejected because a 
legitimate email message should not be showing that it's Firefox.


If it's just Google that's giving you problems with Seamonkey, I think 
you're better off with using about:config to spoof just your connections 
to Google, and where you use PrefBar spoofing only at the times when you 
need it.


Smith


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prefbar default user agent

[Richmond]

Is there a way to make pref-bar default to a Firefox user agent string?
I have tried putting this as the init-function:

js:useragent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0"

But it doesn't seem to be working. What I want it to do is start with a
Firefox UA rather than start with Real UA and then I have to change it.
(Testing by restarting the browser and visiting google search.) Google
has clearly lost the plot on agent sniffing. I am going to call it Goofy
from now on.

(Edit the init function by right clicking on the agent button and
selecting "edit button user agent")
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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

[EE]

Ant wrote:

On 11/23/2018 9:32 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/22/2018 9:09 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are 
always changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other 
list I have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it 
seems to be gone. :(


That is a mistake.  They mean 64-bit, not 16-bit.


Oh hey, http://www.useragentstring.com is back online. It even has 
the newer web browser. :)


It does not load for me.  I tried with 3 different browsers.


Hmm. It still connects for me. Even its pings:
$ ping useragentstring.com
PING useragentstring.com (91.250.101.245) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from www.useragentstring.com (91.250.101.245): icmp_seq=1 
ttl=50 time=165 ms

...
It is working now.  Maybe it was down for the day.  The user-agent 
strings are up to date for Chrome and Firefox, but not for Safari, 
SeaMonkey, Pale Moon, or Opera.


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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

[Daniel]

EE wrote on 24/11/2018 4:32 AM:

Ant wrote:

On 11/22/2018 9:09 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are 
always changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list 
I have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it 
seems to be gone. :(


That is a mistake.  They mean 64-bit, not 16-bit.


Oh hey, http://www.useragentstring.com is back online. It even has the 
newer web browser. :)


It does not load for me.  I tried with 3 different browsers.


WFM!! Hmm!! Reminded me I'm still running SM 2.49.1!!

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

[Ant via support-seamonkey]

On 11/23/2018 9:32 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/22/2018 9:09 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are 
always changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list 
I have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it 
seems to be gone. :(


That is a mistake.  They mean 64-bit, not 16-bit.


Oh hey, http://www.useragentstring.com is back online. It even has the 
newer web browser. :)


It does not load for me.  I tried with 3 different browsers.


Hmm. It still connects for me. Even its pings:
$ ping useragentstring.com
PING useragentstring.com (91.250.101.245) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from www.useragentstring.com (91.250.101.245): icmp_seq=1 
ttl=50 time=165 ms

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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Ant wrote:

On 11/22/2018 9:09 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are 
always changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list 
I have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it 
seems to be gone. :(


That is a mistake.  They mean 64-bit, not 16-bit.


Oh hey, http://www.useragentstring.com is back online. It even has the 
newer web browser. :)


It does not load for me.  I tried with 3 different browsers.

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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On 11/22/18 5:19 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/22/2018 12:33 PM, Ant wrote:

On 11/22/2018 9:09 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are
always changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list I
have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it
seems to be gone. :(


That is a mistake.  They mean 64-bit, not 16-bit.


Oh hey, http://www.useragentstring.com is back online. It even has the
newer web browser. :)



I picked more recent UA strings out of my ISP's log of visits to my Web
site for the following:  Chrome, Edge, Opera, and Safari.  The UA
strings for IE matched between the Web site and what I found in my ISP's
log.  The only UA string on the Web site later than my IPS's log was for
Firefox.



Firefox 64 is the current beta version and Firefox 65 is the current 
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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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On 11/22/2018 12:33 PM, Ant wrote:
> On 11/22/2018 9:09 AM, EE wrote:
>> Ant wrote:
>>> On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:
 Ant wrote:
> On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.
>>>
>> Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.
>
> Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are 
> always changing with updates?

 https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

 This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list I 
 have found.
>>>
>>> 16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it 
>>> seems to be gone. :(
>>
>> That is a mistake.  They mean 64-bit, not 16-bit.
> 
> Oh hey, http://www.useragentstring.com is back online. It even has the 
> newer web browser. :)
> 

I picked more recent UA strings out of my ISP's log of visits to my Web
site for the following:  Chrome, Edge, Opera, and Safari.  The UA
strings for IE matched between the Web site and what I found in my ISP's
log.  The only UA string on the Web site later than my IPS's log was for
Firefox.

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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On 11/22/2018 9:09 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are 
always changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list I 
have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it 
seems to be gone. :(


That is a mistake.  They mean 64-bit, not 16-bit.


Oh hey, http://www.useragentstring.com is back online. It even has the 
newer web browser. :)

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

[EE]

Ant wrote:

On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are 
always changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list I 
have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it seems 
to be gone. :(


That is a mistake.  They mean 64-bit, not 16-bit.

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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Today, I updated the UA strings for PrefBar as installed on my PC.  I
then updated my Web page "Browser Sniffing: Detecting It, Dealing With
It, and Defeating It" at
.  That Web page now
contains a link to a copy of my PrefBar inputs along with instructions
on how to import that file.

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President Trump sent his thoughts and prayers to the
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stop the carnage.  Action is needed on gun control, and
more guns -- as Trump proposed for Pittsburgh and Parkland
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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

[David E. Ross]

On 11/20/2018 11:35 AM, Ant wrote:
> On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:
>> Ant wrote:
>>> On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
> The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.
>
 Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.
>>>
>>> Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are always 
>>> changing with updates?
>>
>> https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/
>>
>> This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list I 
>> have found.
> 
> 16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it seems 
> to be gone. :(
> 

I capture my ISP's log of vistors to my Web site.  Viewing it to get
newer UA strings is quite tedious, so I only do that 2-3 times a year.
Maybe I should do it again soon.

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are always 
changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list I 
have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it seems 
to be gone. :(

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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NFN Smith wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are always 
changing with updates?


I've seen more than one site out there.  I have this one bookmarked: 
http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/browser_ids.htm


Smith


That one is really out of date.  For instance, Camino on MacOS is long gone.

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are always 
changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list I 
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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are always 
changing with updates?


I've seen more than one site out there.  I have this one bookmarked: 
http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/browser_ids.htm


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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are always 
changing with updates?

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.

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User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.

-- 
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Once again, there has been a mass shooting.  This time,
it was in Thousand Oaks, California.  And once again, just
as he did after the recent mass shooting in Pittsburgh,
President Trump sent his thoughts and prayers to the
families of the victims.  Thoughts and prayers will not
stop the carnage.  Action is needed on gun control, and
more guns -- as Trump proposed for Pittsburgh and Parkland
in Florida --  is not the answer.
{
  "prefbar:info": {
"formatversion": 3
  },
  "prefbar:menu:enabled": {
"items": [
  "prefbar:button:useragent"
]
  },
  "prefbar:button:useragent": {
"items": [
  [
"Real UA",
"!RESET!"
  ],
  [
"Firefox",
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0"
  ],
  [
"Edge",
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) 
Chrome/64.0.3282.140 Safari/537.36 Edge/17.17134"
  ],
  [
"IE 11 Windows 7",
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/7.0; rv:11.0) like Gecko "
  ],
  [
"Opera",
"Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64) Presto/2.12.388 Version/12.17"
  ],
  [
"Spoof, not Firefox",
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.4, NOT Firefox/60.0"
  ],
  [
"Chrome",
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, 
like Gecko) Chrome/62.0.3202.94 Safari/537.36"
  ],
  [
"Safari",
"Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_11_6) AppleWebKit/603.2.5 
(KHTML, like Gecko) Version/10.1.1 Safari/603.2.5"
  ]
],
"label": "User Agent",
"type": "extlist",
"dontupdatelistitems": true,
"setfunction": "prefbarSetUseragent(value);",
"getfunction": "value = prefbarGetUseragent(items);"
  }
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Re: FF & IE user agent spoofing strings

[Dave Yeo]

David E. Ross wrote:

The actual PrefBar "button" is at
.  Delete your existing
"button", download my UA_strings.btn file, and import it into PrefBar.
Importing will NOT work unless you delete the old version.

Alternatively, you can download UA_strings.btn and open it in Wordpad or
Notepad (NOT Word).  Then, manually update your useragent Exlist by
copying individual UA strings from UA_strings.btn.


David, I just ran across this posting and I would appreciate if you
would put them up for a bit as I would like to update my UA's. I also
use Win 7 Pro and Seamonkey (version 2.48 but have the version 2.49.4 on
a portable drive)email is good also.
Thanks


I am sending an E-mail message to you with the attached file for
PrefBar.  Just follow the instructions in my second message in this
thread.


Please may you email a copy as well?
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Re: FF & IE user agent spoofing strings

[David E. Ross]

On 11/15/2018 8:25 AM, JAS wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 10/18/2018 11:56 AM, Mark B wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>>> On 10/17/2018 11:36 PM, Mark B wrote:
>>>>> Win 10 Home 64 bit.
>>>>> SM User agent: Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.51
>>>>>
>>>>> Would like the latest user agents to use in prefbar for spoofing IE and
>>>>> Thunderbird.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark B
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I go to my ISP's Web site and download the latest month's log of
>>>> visitors to my Web site.  I browse through the log to pick out newer UA
>>>> strings for Opera, Chrome, Firefox, IE, and Edge.  I then manually
>>>> update the PrefBar list of UA strings.
>>>>
>>>> Since I am using Windows 7 (and will not update), I generally ignore UA
>>>> strings specific to Windows 10.  If you nevertheless want to see my
>>>> list, please reply here; and I will make it available.
>>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply.  I would be interested in seeing your list.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>
>> A JPEG image of my useragent Exlist is at
>> <http://www.rossde.com/test/UA_strings.jpg>.
>>
>> The actual PrefBar "button" is at
>> <http://www.rossde.com/test/UA_strings.btn>.  Delete your existing
>> "button", download my UA_strings.btn file, and import it into PrefBar.
>> Importing will NOT work unless you delete the old version.
>>
>> Alternatively, you can download UA_strings.btn and open it in Wordpad or
>> Notepad (NOT Word).  Then, manually update your useragent Exlist by
>> copying individual UA strings from UA_strings.btn.
>>
> David, I just ran across this posting and I would appreciate if you 
> would put them up for a bit as I would like to update my UA's. I also 
> use Win 7 Pro and Seamonkey (version 2.48 but have the version 2.49.4 on 
> a portable drive)email is good also.
> Thanks
> 

I am sending an E-mail message to you with the attached file for
PrefBar.  Just follow the instructions in my second message in this
thread.

-- 
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Once again, there has been a mass shooting.  This time,
it was in Thousand Oaks, California.  And once again, just
as he did after the recent mass shooting in Pittsburgh,
President Trump sent his thoughts and prayers to the
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stop the carnage.  Action is needed on gun control, and
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Re: FF & IE user agent spoofing strings

[JAS]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/18/2018 11:56 AM, Mark B wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/17/2018 11:36 PM, Mark B wrote:

Win 10 Home 64 bit.
SM User agent: Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.51

Would like the latest user agents to use in prefbar for spoofing IE and
Thunderbird.

TIA

Mark B



I go to my ISP's Web site and download the latest month's log of
visitors to my Web site.  I browse through the log to pick out newer UA
strings for Opera, Chrome, Firefox, IE, and Edge.  I then manually
update the PrefBar list of UA strings.

Since I am using Windows 7 (and will not update), I generally ignore UA
strings specific to Windows 10.  If you nevertheless want to see my
list, please reply here; and I will make it available.


David,

Thanks for your reply.  I would be interested in seeing your list.

Cheers



A JPEG image of my useragent Exlist is at
<http://www.rossde.com/test/UA_strings.jpg>.

The actual PrefBar "button" is at
<http://www.rossde.com/test/UA_strings.btn>.  Delete your existing
"button", download my UA_strings.btn file, and import it into PrefBar.
Importing will NOT work unless you delete the old version.

Alternatively, you can download UA_strings.btn and open it in Wordpad or
Notepad (NOT Word).  Then, manually update your useragent Exlist by
copying individual UA strings from UA_strings.btn.

David, I just ran across this posting and I would appreciate if you 
would put them up for a bit as I would like to update my UA's. I also 
use Win 7 Pro and Seamonkey (version 2.48 but have the version 2.49.4 on 
a portable drive)email is good also.

Thanks
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Re: FF & IE user agent spoofing strings

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Win 7 Pro x64 System
My modified user agent string is "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; rv:62.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/62.0 SM" without 'x64' and added SM for me as SeaMonkey. 
Will work without problems on https://www.chase.com/ , 
https://www.google.com/search?q=joyce%27s+craftshop , https://www.netflix.com/ 
, and other sites. My SeaMonkey version is 2.49.5 from 
https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/.
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Re: FF & IE user agent spoofing strings

[David E. Ross]

On 10/18/2018 2:36 PM, Mark B wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 10/18/2018 11:56 AM, Mark B wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>>> On 10/17/2018 11:36 PM, Mark B wrote:
>>>>> Win 10 Home 64 bit.
>>>>> SM User agent: Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.51
>>>>>
>>>>> Would like the latest user agents to use in prefbar for spoofing IE and
>>>>> Thunderbird.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark B
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I go to my ISP's Web site and download the latest month's log of
>>>> visitors to my Web site.  I browse through the log to pick out newer UA
>>>> strings for Opera, Chrome, Firefox, IE, and Edge.  I then manually
>>>> update the PrefBar list of UA strings.
>>>>
>>>> Since I am using Windows 7 (and will not update), I generally ignore UA
>>>> strings specific to Windows 10.  If you nevertheless want to see my
>>>> list, please reply here; and I will make it available.
>>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply.  I would be interested in seeing your list.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>
>> A JPEG image of my useragent Exlist is at
>> <http://www.rossde.com/test/UA_strings.jpg>.
>>
>> The actual PrefBar "button" is at
>> <http://www.rossde.com/test/UA_strings.btn>.  Delete your existing
>> "button", download my UA_strings.btn file, and import it into PrefBar.
>> Importing will NOT work unless you delete the old version.
>>
>> Alternatively, you can download UA_strings.btn and open it in Wordpad or
>> Notepad (NOT Word).  Then, manually update your useragent Exlist by
>> copying individual UA strings from UA_strings.btn.
>>
> Excellent!  Thanks.
> 

Since you apparently got the files, I will remove them from my Web site.
 But I will wait 24 hours before doing that unless you reply differently.

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Re: FF & IE user agent spoofing strings

[Mark B]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/18/2018 11:56 AM, Mark B wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/17/2018 11:36 PM, Mark B wrote:

Win 10 Home 64 bit.
SM User agent: Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.51

Would like the latest user agents to use in prefbar for spoofing IE and
Thunderbird.

TIA

Mark B



I go to my ISP's Web site and download the latest month's log of
visitors to my Web site.  I browse through the log to pick out newer UA
strings for Opera, Chrome, Firefox, IE, and Edge.  I then manually
update the PrefBar list of UA strings.

Since I am using Windows 7 (and will not update), I generally ignore UA
strings specific to Windows 10.  If you nevertheless want to see my
list, please reply here; and I will make it available.


David,

Thanks for your reply.  I would be interested in seeing your list.

Cheers



A JPEG image of my useragent Exlist is at
<http://www.rossde.com/test/UA_strings.jpg>.

The actual PrefBar "button" is at
<http://www.rossde.com/test/UA_strings.btn>.  Delete your existing
"button", download my UA_strings.btn file, and import it into PrefBar.
Importing will NOT work unless you delete the old version.

Alternatively, you can download UA_strings.btn and open it in Wordpad or
Notepad (NOT Word).  Then, manually update your useragent Exlist by
copying individual UA strings from UA_strings.btn.


Excellent!  Thanks.
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Re: FF & IE user agent spoofing strings

[David E. Ross]

On 10/18/2018 11:56 AM, Mark B wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 10/17/2018 11:36 PM, Mark B wrote:
>>> Win 10 Home 64 bit.
>>> SM User agent: Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.51
>>>
>>> Would like the latest user agents to use in prefbar for spoofing IE and
>>> Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Mark B
>>>
>>
>> I go to my ISP's Web site and download the latest month's log of
>> visitors to my Web site.  I browse through the log to pick out newer UA
>> strings for Opera, Chrome, Firefox, IE, and Edge.  I then manually
>> update the PrefBar list of UA strings.
>>
>> Since I am using Windows 7 (and will not update), I generally ignore UA
>> strings specific to Windows 10.  If you nevertheless want to see my
>> list, please reply here; and I will make it available.
>>
> David,
> 
> Thanks for your reply.  I would be interested in seeing your list.
> 
> Cheers
> 

A JPEG image of my useragent Exlist is at
<http://www.rossde.com/test/UA_strings.jpg>.

The actual PrefBar "button" is at
<http://www.rossde.com/test/UA_strings.btn>.  Delete your existing
"button", download my UA_strings.btn file, and import it into PrefBar.
Importing will NOT work unless you delete the old version.

Alternatively, you can download UA_strings.btn and open it in Wordpad or
Notepad (NOT Word).  Then, manually update your useragent Exlist by
copying individual UA strings from UA_strings.btn.

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Re: FF & IE user agent spoofing strings

[Mark B]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/17/2018 11:36 PM, Mark B wrote:

Win 10 Home 64 bit.
SM User agent: Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.51

Would like the latest user agents to use in prefbar for spoofing IE and
Thunderbird.

TIA

Mark B



I go to my ISP's Web site and download the latest month's log of
visitors to my Web site.  I browse through the log to pick out newer UA
strings for Opera, Chrome, Firefox, IE, and Edge.  I then manually
update the PrefBar list of UA strings.

Since I am using Windows 7 (and will not update), I generally ignore UA
strings specific to Windows 10.  If you nevertheless want to see my
list, please reply here; and I will make it available.


David,

Thanks for your reply.  I would be interested in seeing your list.

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Re: FF & IE user agent spoofing strings

[David E. Ross]

On 10/17/2018 11:36 PM, Mark B wrote:
> Win 10 Home 64 bit.
> SM User agent: Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.51
> 
> Would like the latest user agents to use in prefbar for spoofing IE and 
> Thunderbird.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Mark B
> 

I go to my ISP's Web site and download the latest month's log of
visitors to my Web site.  I browse through the log to pick out newer UA
strings for Opera, Chrome, Firefox, IE, and Edge.  I then manually
update the PrefBar list of UA strings.

Since I am using Windows 7 (and will not update), I generally ignore UA
strings specific to Windows 10.  If you nevertheless want to see my
list, please reply here; and I will make it available.

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FF & IE user agent spoofing strings

[Mark B]

Win 10 Home 64 bit.
SM User agent: Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.51

Would like the latest user agents to use in prefbar for spoofing IE and 
Thunderbird.


TIA

Mark B
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Re: User agent settings for Seamonkey

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Chuck wrote:
For those of us who are not experts in this sort of thing would someone 
post an explaination of this?

Chuck



Others have already responded to this, and I'll leave it to the links 
they posted to address most of the mechanics.  In Seamonkey, the easiest 
way of doing spoofing is via extension (using the older XUL structure 
and not WebExtensions versions that run in current versions of Firefox). 
 Either User Agent Switcher or PrefBar work. Personally, I prefer 
PrefBar, but either is workable.  It's also possible to do per-site 
spoofing via settings in your prefs.js file.


If you set up spoofing, one thing that you have to do regularly is to 
update your strings to match more or less current versions of what 
you're trying to spoof.  Thus, if you occasionally need to show a 
Firefox UA, you'll want it to show something close to the current 
Firefox 60.0.2, rather than something old, like Firefox 38.0.


For me, I find three common reasons to do spoofing:

1) Sites that demand particular browsers (or versions). Historically, 
the issue has been with sites that claim to support only IE, Google 
Chrome, Firefox and Safari. Those problems mostly went away a few years 
ago when the Seamonkey devs added "Advertise Firefox Compatibility" as a 
config setting.  That one causes Seamonkey to show a Firefox UA string, 
and then appends Seamonkey detail at the end.  That's a common thing for 
browsers that are derivatives of others.  Thus, if you use Opera, where 
the current versions are derived from Google Chrome, it will show a 
Chrome UA, but Opera detail at the end of the string.


Since the introduction of Advertise Firefox Compatibility, I've found it 
very rare that sites complain about my use of Seamonkey, although 
there's occasional exceptions.  The archives of this newsgroup will show 
several discussions over the last few years about issues with chase.com.


More recently, it's becoming more common for sites to complain about 
Seamonkey, but it's not so much Seamonkey that they're complaining 
about, but a UA string that shows a relatively old version of Firefox. 
Seamonkey 2.49.3 is based on Firefox 52.x ESR, and there's a lot of 
sites that don't know (or don't care) about the ESR version.  Thus, more 
sites that are insisting on reasonably current versions of Firefox, 
typically 57.0 or newer. I don't do a lot with the ESR version, but a 
user running an ESR release will probably get the same complaints about 
an old browser.


2) Platform issues.  For support purposes, I have a fairly extensive 
collection of downloaded software, for both Windows and Mac. There's a 
lot of developers that have the idea that if you're at their site 
looking for downloads, you intend to install immediately. Thus, some 
sites try to "help" by checking your User Agent string, and looking for 
the platform information.  If you're running a 32-bit version of 
Windows, you'll get the 32-bit installer (and not the 64-bit version). 
If you're running Mac, then you'll get the Mac installer.


In my case, I may want all of them, and so I sometimes have to resort to 
spoofing to show the necessary platform.  Thus, working from Windows, 
I'll change the UA to show a browser that's running from a Mac (and it 
really doesn't matter whether it's Seamonkey, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, 
or anything, so long as it's communicating that the platform is a Mac). 
Download the Mac version, then switch the UA back to the default.


3) I maintain a web page, and I do a measure of tracking of activity by 
browser usage. Most web sites see some quantity of malicious access 
attempts by bots, and it's common that bots show forged UA strings, 
often versions that are really old, or invalid. I've seen a lot of 
activity from a bot that shows "Firefox 40.1" (never valid), and I have 
my site configured to reject connections if that's in the UA.  When I 
was setting up that particular filter, it was easy to spoof that in my 
own browser, to ensure that the server was rejecting that particular 
connection.



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Re: User agent settings for Seamonkey

[David E. Ross]

On 6/20/2018 7:10 AM, Chuck wrote:
> For those of us who are not experts in this sort of thing would someone 
> post an explaination of this?
> Chuck
> 

Using a fake user agent (UA) string to make a Web server act as if a
browser being used is different from the actual browser (e.g., as if
Opera were being used when actually Firefox is being used) is called
"spoofing".  See my
<http://www.rossde.com/internet/intr_gloss.shtml#spoof>.  Immediately
below "spoof" is a discussion of "UA".

The reason someone might want to spoof a different browser is discussed
in my "Browser Sniffing: Detecting It, Dealing With It, and Defeating
It" at <http://www.rossde.com/internet/sniffing.shtml>.  On that Web
page, the section "Defeating Browser Sniffing" is specifically oriented
towards SeaMonkey.  That section cites two extensions, either of which
facilitates spoofing.  Those are NOT Webextensions, so they should still
work with SeaMonkey but will not work with Firefox.

-- 
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Attorney-General Sessions claims the bible favors imprisoning illegal
aliens.  However, God repeatedly commanded us to welcome the stranger in
our land.  For example, see the following:
Exodus 22:20 at
<http://bible.ort.org/books/pentd2.asp?ACTION=displaypage&BOOK=2&CHAPTER=22#P2131>
Exodus 23:9 at
<http://bible.ort.org/books/pentd2.asp?ACTION=displaypage&BOOK=2&CHAPTER=23#P2151>
Deuteronomy 10:19 at
<http://bible.ort.org/books/pentd2.asp?ACTION=displaypage&BOOK=5&CHAPTER=10#P5200>
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Re: User agent settings for Seamonkey

[Ed Mullen]

Chuck wrote:
For those of us who are not experts in this sort of thing would someone 
post an explaination of this?

Chuck




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User agent settings for Seamonkey

[Chuck]

For those of us who are not experts in this sort of thing would someone 
post an explaination of this?

Chuck
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Re: Change User Agent for one domain only

[Hawker]

On 3/7/2018 1:36 PM, Steve Dunn wrote:

On 2018-03-07 12:13, Hawker wrote:

I am currently using User Agent Switcher.


I've never used that extension so I can't help you with it.  But it's 
not the only way to fiddle with the user agent string.


What I mostly want to do is have all Google domain use default to the 
current FireFox UA as much of Google does not work properly with 
Seamonkey's UA but works fine when I switch it. I can't see how to 
lock that in with User Agent Switcher. I want everything else to 
default to Seamonkey.


In about:config, you can create per-domain/site custom user agents. 
Create a string named general.useragent.override.{domain} and set its 
value to the string you want.  For instance, if you want example.com to 
think your user agent is "Bogus/1.0 Fake/20180307" you'd create:


general.useragent.override.example.com = "Bogus/1.0 Fake/20180307"

Give it a shot and see if it helps.  It won't do anything for your 
second question since that involves easily switching user agents, but it 
might at least work for the first question.


-Steve


Thank you - this sounds like my best solution so far. Will try Monday.
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