Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Ed Mullen wrote: Daniel wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Daniel wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? ...it doesn't...on any of my installs. It's Gecko...Seamonkey by default. Did you do something once long ago and not undo it? No, i am not under 2.1, i am still in 2.0 but in: http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.support.seamonkey/What-about-FireFox-spoofing-in-SM-2.1 WLS wrote: This is the UA in SM 2.1b2pre for my Linux install. It already lists Firefox so you don't need to add it, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101101 Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre. That is not, strictly, spoofing the UA. It is a new UA that includes a mention of Firefox that, hopefully, will satisfy ignorant Web site devs' UA sniffing techniques and pass SeaMonkey as Firefox while still maintaining the integrity of the SeaMonkey UA. See? The UA includes both Firefox and SeaMonkey? When I get a chance I'll check my server logs to see if it's working ... but, it makes sense as a least-destructive solution to me at this point. Sorry, Ed are you suggesting that any web sites visited that worry about sniffing will just be interested in the SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre and not pay any attention to the Firefox/4.0b8pre let alone the more general purpose Gecko/20101101?? Daniel Actually, the opposite. Most UA sniffing is NOT looking for SeaMonkey: It's looking for Firefox or IE. So, what I'm saying is that incorporating the mention of Firefox in the standard UA for SM the sniffer should be satisfied. So they will say that no-one uses SM!! If they look at their Web host provided logs they'll most likely see SeaMonkey listed. Mighty big word.if! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Ed Mullen wrote: Daniel wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? ...it doesn't...on any of my installs. It's Gecko...Seamonkey by default. Did you do something once long ago and not undo it? No, i am not under 2.1, i am still in 2.0 but in: http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.support.seamonkey/What-about-FireFox-spoofing-in-SM-2.1 WLS wrote: This is the UA in SM 2.1b2pre for my Linux install. It already lists Firefox so you don't need to add it, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101101 Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre. That is not, strictly, spoofing the UA. It is a new UA that includes a mention of Firefox that, hopefully, will satisfy ignorant Web site devs' UA sniffing techniques and pass SeaMonkey as Firefox while still maintaining the integrity of the SeaMonkey UA. See? The UA includes both Firefox and SeaMonkey? When I get a chance I'll check my server logs to see if it's working ... but, it makes sense as a least-destructive solution to me at this point. Sorry, Ed are you suggesting that any web sites visited that worry about sniffing will just be interested in the SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre and not pay any attention to the Firefox/4.0b8pre let alone the more general purpose Gecko/20101101?? Daniel Actually, the opposite. Most UA sniffing is NOT looking for SeaMonkey: It's looking for Firefox or IE. So, what I'm saying is that incorporating the mention of Firefox in the standard UA for SM the sniffer should be satisfied. So they will say that no-one uses SM!! Daniel Of course, if they designed a standards-compatible site in the first place they wouldn't have to test for a UA at all! :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Daniel wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Daniel wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? ...it doesn't...on any of my installs. It's Gecko...Seamonkey by default. Did you do something once long ago and not undo it? No, i am not under 2.1, i am still in 2.0 but in: http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.support.seamonkey/What-about-FireFox-spoofing-in-SM-2.1 WLS wrote: This is the UA in SM 2.1b2pre for my Linux install. It already lists Firefox so you don't need to add it, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101101 Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre. That is not, strictly, spoofing the UA. It is a new UA that includes a mention of Firefox that, hopefully, will satisfy ignorant Web site devs' UA sniffing techniques and pass SeaMonkey as Firefox while still maintaining the integrity of the SeaMonkey UA. See? The UA includes both Firefox and SeaMonkey? When I get a chance I'll check my server logs to see if it's working ... but, it makes sense as a least-destructive solution to me at this point. Sorry, Ed are you suggesting that any web sites visited that worry about sniffing will just be interested in the SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre and not pay any attention to the Firefox/4.0b8pre let alone the more general purpose Gecko/20101101?? Daniel Actually, the opposite. Most UA sniffing is NOT looking for SeaMonkey: It's looking for Firefox or IE. So, what I'm saying is that incorporating the mention of Firefox in the standard UA for SM the sniffer should be satisfied. So they will say that no-one uses SM!! If they look at their Web host provided logs they'll most likely see SeaMonkey listed. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ A lady friend of mine told me that at her age she has found that going bra-less pulls all the wrinkles out of her face. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Ed Mullen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? ...it doesn't...on any of my installs. It's Gecko...Seamonkey by default. Did you do something once long ago and not undo it? No, i am not under 2.1, i am still in 2.0 but in: http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.support.seamonkey/What-about-FireFox-spoofing-in-SM-2.1 WLS wrote: This is the UA in SM 2.1b2pre for my Linux install. It already lists Firefox so you don't need to add it, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101101 Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre. That is not, strictly, spoofing the UA. It is a new UA that includes a mention of Firefox that, hopefully, will satisfy ignorant Web site devs' UA sniffing techniques and pass SeaMonkey as Firefox while still maintaining the integrity of the SeaMonkey UA. See? The UA includes both Firefox and SeaMonkey? When I get a chance I'll check my server logs to see if it's working ... but, it makes sense as a least-destructive solution to me at this point. Sorry, Ed are you suggesting that any web sites visited that worry about sniffing will just be interested in the SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre and not pay any attention to the Firefox/4.0b8pre let alone the more general purpose Gecko/20101101?? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Daniel wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? ...it doesn't...on any of my installs. It's Gecko...Seamonkey by default. Did you do something once long ago and not undo it? No, i am not under 2.1, i am still in 2.0 but in: http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.support.seamonkey/What-about-FireFox-spoofing-in-SM-2.1 WLS wrote: This is the UA in SM 2.1b2pre for my Linux install. It already lists Firefox so you don't need to add it, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101101 Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre. That is not, strictly, spoofing the UA. It is a new UA that includes a mention of Firefox that, hopefully, will satisfy ignorant Web site devs' UA sniffing techniques and pass SeaMonkey as Firefox while still maintaining the integrity of the SeaMonkey UA. See? The UA includes both Firefox and SeaMonkey? When I get a chance I'll check my server logs to see if it's working ... but, it makes sense as a least-destructive solution to me at this point. Sorry, Ed are you suggesting that any web sites visited that worry about sniffing will just be interested in the SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre and not pay any attention to the Firefox/4.0b8pre let alone the more general purpose Gecko/20101101?? Daniel Actually, the opposite. Most UA sniffing is NOT looking for SeaMonkey: It's looking for Firefox or IE. So, what I'm saying is that incorporating the mention of Firefox in the standard UA for SM the sniffer should be satisfied. Of course, if they designed a standards-compatible site in the first place they wouldn't have to test for a UA at all! :-) -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ One of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of brutal facts. - Benjamin Franklin ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 7:23 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 5:47 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 4:17 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? This change is being made to avoid the problems cited at the start of this thread. This was imposed by changing the Gecko core or another core-like component that is required by SeaMonkey. The change is optional with the default to spoof Firefox. The option is controlled by a preference variable that can be set in the user.js file or via about:config in the browser. It is my understanding that Robert Kaiser (SeaMonkey guru) was not happy about this change. If my understanding is wrong, I hope Kaiser will correct me. ...I'm not happy and I hope that Robert isn't either and is able to do something about this improvement. I'd far more prefer the actual SM default, and an interfaced, drop-down listed set of UA strings like is built into Safari Developer Tools. A drop-down selection list of UA strings for spoofing is available from either the PrefBar or UserAgentSwitcher extensions. These both have the feature that your actual UA string is restored when you exit the browser in case you forget that you were spoofing some other browser. Yes, which is great. But if SM is now going to make your default something other than the truth anyway?..well, I'd rather just see that left out and User Agent Switcher built in. The feature is not yet in a final version of SeaMonkey. When it is, I plan to set the preference variable to not spoof Firefox. I want to see which Web sites are problematical. The problem is that I cannot remember what is the name of the variable. You don't have to David. It's in SM2.1b2pre's Preferences -- Edit Preferences Advanced HTTP_Networking User_Agent_String Advertise_Firefox_compatibility [checkbox] toggle it on or off as desired HTH, Barry. That's a very good implementation so we can spoof only when we need it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
On 01/02/2011 05:27 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: Rufus wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Anyone have a workaround to print coupons using Linux and Seamonkey from this site? http://www.coupons.com/ What clowns would write such inadequate code anyhow? My wife would like access to them and I don't allow anything from the virus-honeypot that is MS to connect to the Internet here. Spoof your browser - I use this plugin: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ The site displays just fine if you use this to tell it it's one that it wants. More info on User Agent strings here: http://www.useragentstring.com/ Handy reference to copy/paste from. SM can be any browser you wish... Thant's it? I thought it would be more difficult ... will give it a try. As they say in the infomercials: but wait there's more! :-) Off topic: http://www.benedelman.org/news/082807-1.html A Closer Look at Coupons.com August 28, 2007 - Updated, September 24, 2007 http://www.benedelman.org/news/031808-1.html Coupons.com and TRUSTe: Lots of Talk, Too Little Action March 18, 2008 - Updated, March 20, 2008 You might also find this interesting: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20236965-Is-installing-a-Coupon-Printer-safe [Edelmen actually chimes in on page 2] Note: any further comments regarding the links should probably go to mozilla.general or beyond :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Ray_Net wrote: Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 7:23 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 5:47 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 4:17 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? This change is being made to avoid the problems cited at the start of this thread. This was imposed by changing the Gecko core or another core-like component that is required by SeaMonkey. The change is optional with the default to spoof Firefox. The option is controlled by a preference variable that can be set in the user.js file or via about:config in the browser. It is my understanding that Robert Kaiser (SeaMonkey guru) was not happy about this change. If my understanding is wrong, I hope Kaiser will correct me. ...I'm not happy and I hope that Robert isn't either and is able to do something about this improvement. I'd far more prefer the actual SM default, and an interfaced, drop-down listed set of UA strings like is built into Safari Developer Tools. A drop-down selection list of UA strings for spoofing is available from either the PrefBar or UserAgentSwitcher extensions. These both have the feature that your actual UA string is restored when you exit the browser in case you forget that you were spoofing some other browser. Yes, which is great. But if SM is now going to make your default something other than the truth anyway?..well, I'd rather just see that left out and User Agent Switcher built in. The feature is not yet in a final version of SeaMonkey. When it is, I plan to set the preference variable to not spoof Firefox. I want to see which Web sites are problematical. The problem is that I cannot remember what is the name of the variable. You don't have to David. It's in SM2.1b2pre's Preferences -- Edit Preferences Advanced HTTP_Networking User_Agent_String Advertise_Firefox_compatibility [checkbox] toggle it on or off as desired HTH, Barry. That's a very good implementation so we can spoof only when we need it. That's certainly better than setting it as default...I could live with this implementation. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 4:17 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? This change is being made to avoid the problems cited at the start of this thread. This was imposed by changing the Gecko core or another core-like component that is required by SeaMonkey. The change is optional with the default to spoof Firefox. The option is controlled by a preference variable that can be set in the user.js file or via about:config in the browser. It is my understanding that Robert Kaiser (SeaMonkey guru) was not happy about this change. If my understanding is wrong, I hope Kaiser will correct me. ...I'm not happy and I hope that Robert isn't either and is able to do something about this improvement. I'd far more prefer the actual SM default, and an interfaced, drop-down listed set of UA strings like is built into Safari Developer Tools. This is *your* point of vue ... i am happy with that improvement ! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 7:23 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 5:47 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 4:17 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? This change is being made to avoid the problems cited at the start of this thread. This was imposed by changing the Gecko core or another core-like component that is required by SeaMonkey. The change is optional with the default to spoof Firefox. The option is controlled by a preference variable that can be set in the user.js file or via about:config in the browser. It is my understanding that Robert Kaiser (SeaMonkey guru) was not happy about this change. If my understanding is wrong, I hope Kaiser will correct me. ...I'm not happy and I hope that Robert isn't either and is able to do something about this improvement. I'd far more prefer the actual SM default, and an interfaced, drop-down listed set of UA strings like is built into Safari Developer Tools. A drop-down selection list of UA strings for spoofing is available from either the PrefBar or UserAgentSwitcher extensions. These both have the feature that your actual UA string is restored when you exit the browser in case you forget that you were spoofing some other browser. Yes, which is great. But if SM is now going to make your default something other than the truth anyway?..well, I'd rather just see that left out and User Agent Switcher built in. The feature is not yet in a final version of SeaMonkey. When it is, I plan to set the preference variable to not spoof Firefox. I want to see which Web sites are problematical. The problem is that I cannot remember what is the name of the variable. You don't have to David. It's in SM2.1b2pre's Preferences -- Edit Preferences Advanced HTTP_Networking User_Agent_String Advertise_Firefox_compatibility [checkbox] toggle it on or off as desired HTH, Barry. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? ...it doesn't...on any of my installs. It's Gecko...Seamonkey by default. Did you do something once long ago and not undo it? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? ...it doesn't...on any of my installs. It's Gecko...Seamonkey by default. Did you do something once long ago and not undo it? No, i am not under 2.1, i am still in 2.0 but in: http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.support.seamonkey/What-about-FireFox-spoofing-in-SM-2.1 WLS wrote: This is the UA in SM 2.1b2pre for my Linux install. It already lists Firefox so you don't need to add it, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101101 Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Ray_Net wrote: Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? ...it doesn't...on any of my installs. It's Gecko...Seamonkey by default. Did you do something once long ago and not undo it? No, i am not under 2.1, i am still in 2.0 but in: http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.support.seamonkey/What-about-FireFox-spoofing-in-SM-2.1 WLS wrote: This is the UA in SM 2.1b2pre for my Linux install. It already lists Firefox so you don't need to add it, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101101 Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre. It didn't do that with my Mac installs...never has. But I never use pre-builds. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 4:17 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? This change is being made to avoid the problems cited at the start of this thread. This was imposed by changing the Gecko core or another core-like component that is required by SeaMonkey. The change is optional with the default to spoof Firefox. The option is controlled by a preference variable that can be set in the user.js file or via about:config in the browser. It is my understanding that Robert Kaiser (SeaMonkey guru) was not happy about this change. If my understanding is wrong, I hope Kaiser will correct me. ...I'm not happy and I hope that Robert isn't either and is able to do something about this improvement. I'd far more prefer the actual SM default, and an interfaced, drop-down listed set of UA strings like is built into Safari Developer Tools. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Ray_Net wrote: Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? ...it doesn't...on any of my installs. It's Gecko...Seamonkey by default. Did you do something once long ago and not undo it? No, i am not under 2.1, i am still in 2.0 but in: http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.support.seamonkey/What-about-FireFox-spoofing-in-SM-2.1 WLS wrote: This is the UA in SM 2.1b2pre for my Linux install. It already lists Firefox so you don't need to add it, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101101 Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre. That is not, strictly, spoofing the UA. It is a new UA that includes a mention of Firefox that, hopefully, will satisfy ignorant Web site devs' UA sniffing techniques and pass SeaMonkey as Firefox while still maintaining the integrity of the SeaMonkey UA. See? The UA includes both Firefox and SeaMonkey? When I get a chance I'll check my server logs to see if it's working ... but, it makes sense as a least-destructive solution to me at this point. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ FATAL ERROR! SYSTEM HALTED! - Press any key to do nothing. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
On 1/4/11 5:47 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 4:17 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? This change is being made to avoid the problems cited at the start of this thread. This was imposed by changing the Gecko core or another core-like component that is required by SeaMonkey. The change is optional with the default to spoof Firefox. The option is controlled by a preference variable that can be set in the user.js file or via about:config in the browser. It is my understanding that Robert Kaiser (SeaMonkey guru) was not happy about this change. If my understanding is wrong, I hope Kaiser will correct me. ...I'm not happy and I hope that Robert isn't either and is able to do something about this improvement. I'd far more prefer the actual SM default, and an interfaced, drop-down listed set of UA strings like is built into Safari Developer Tools. A drop-down selection list of UA strings for spoofing is available from either the PrefBar or UserAgentSwitcher extensions. These both have the feature that your actual UA string is restored when you exit the browser in case you forget that you were spoofing some other browser. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 5:47 PM, Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/4/11 4:17 AM, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. Why SM 2.1.x spoof itself by default firefox then ? This change is being made to avoid the problems cited at the start of this thread. This was imposed by changing the Gecko core or another core-like component that is required by SeaMonkey. The change is optional with the default to spoof Firefox. The option is controlled by a preference variable that can be set in the user.js file or via about:config in the browser. It is my understanding that Robert Kaiser (SeaMonkey guru) was not happy about this change. If my understanding is wrong, I hope Kaiser will correct me. ...I'm not happy and I hope that Robert isn't either and is able to do something about this improvement. I'd far more prefer the actual SM default, and an interfaced, drop-down listed set of UA strings like is built into Safari Developer Tools. A drop-down selection list of UA strings for spoofing is available from either the PrefBar or UserAgentSwitcher extensions. These both have the feature that your actual UA string is restored when you exit the browser in case you forget that you were spoofing some other browser. Yes, which is great. But if SM is now going to make your default something other than the truth anyway?..well, I'd rather just see that left out and User Agent Switcher built in. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
David E. Ross wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Anyone have a workaround to print coupons using Linux and Seamonkey from this site? http://www.coupons.com/ What clowns would write such inadequate code anyhow? My wife would like access to them and I don't allow anything from the virus-honeypot that is MS to connect to the Internet here. This is bug #533490. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533490. I am curious... what is the worth of creating a Mozilla bug report for a matter that is obviously the fault of the web site author's incompetence? Is there any kind of advantage to having a bug report that will never be acted upon, just filling up the database? Attempting to see just how this coupon site works, I found: [Click here for:] Printing coupons requires our free Coupon Printer software. The software contains security features needed to provide you with coupons you can use in a store. ..which won't even work with my operating system! lol (not that I'd be wanting to install it if it did...) -- -bts -No Windows Here ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Beauregard T. Shagnasty replied to hisself: Attempting to see just how this coupon site works, I found: I forgot to mention that the site left 22 cookies in my browser .. and that was without actually ever printing, or even looking at, any coupons! -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
On 1/3/11 1:36 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Anyone have a workaround to print coupons using Linux and Seamonkey from this site? http://www.coupons.com/ What clowns would write such inadequate code anyhow? My wife would like access to them and I don't allow anything from the virus-honeypot that is MS to connect to the Internet here. This is bug #533490. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533490. I am curious... what is the worth of creating a Mozilla bug report for a matter that is obviously the fault of the web site author's incompetence? Is there any kind of advantage to having a bug report that will never be acted upon, just filling up the database? Attempting to see just how this coupon site works, I found: [Click here for:] Printing coupons requires our free Coupon Printer software. The software contains security features needed to provide you with coupons you can use in a store. ..which won't even work with my operating system! lol (not that I'd be wanting to install it if it did...) Tech Evangelism bugs are supposed to be addressed by the Mozilla organization or its volunteers contacting the owner of the defective Web site. The bug reports provide a reference for use in such contacts. They also inform users that the problem lies in the Web site and not within their browsers. Finally, the bug reports should also inform users that this is a known problem that needs no further discussion -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
David E. Ross wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: This is bug #533490. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533490. I am curious... what is the worth of creating a Mozilla bug report for a matter that is obviously the fault of the web site author's incompetence? Is there any kind of advantage to having a bug report that will never be acted upon, just filling up the database? Tech Evangelism bugs are supposed to be addressed by the Mozilla organization or its volunteers contacting the owner of the defective Web site. The bug reports provide a reference for use in such contacts. They also inform users that the problem lies in the Web site and not within their browsers. Finally, the bug reports should also inform users that this is a known problem that needs no further discussion Ok, I guess that makes sense. Would there be any record posted with the 'bug' if someone from Moz had contacted the coupon.com site? Otherwise, there's no reason for having the record. People like doc here might see it and think it was or it's going to be addressed. It has been over a year. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
On 1/3/11 8:53 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: This is bug #533490. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533490. I am curious... what is the worth of creating a Mozilla bug report for a matter that is obviously the fault of the web site author's incompetence? Is there any kind of advantage to having a bug report that will never be acted upon, just filling up the database? Tech Evangelism bugs are supposed to be addressed by the Mozilla organization or its volunteers contacting the owner of the defective Web site. The bug reports provide a reference for use in such contacts. They also inform users that the problem lies in the Web site and not within their browsers. Finally, the bug reports should also inform users that this is a known problem that needs no further discussion Ok, I guess that makes sense. Would there be any record posted with the 'bug' if someone from Moz had contacted the coupon.com site? Otherwise, there's no reason for having the record. People like doc here might see it and think it was or it's going to be addressed. It has been over a year. Contacts with Web site owners regarding these bugs should indeed be noted in the bug reports. I know that I place comments in the bug reports I submit about such contacts that I make. I also occasionally review all of my Tech Evangelism bug reports to see if any can be closed. All this may be obviated by the fact that the default in SeaMonkey 2.1 will be to spoof Firefox. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. No, it isn't normal. But it's a long discussion and off-topic for this group. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. Not really - I generally spoof as Safari or IE if I encounter a sniffing problem. Either works just fine, and I maintain listings of Safari and IE versions under User Agent Switcher. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
On 1/3/11 2:06 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. The code in SeaMonkey is NOT the code of Firefox. The user interfaces of these two are different, which is the main reason I use SeaMonkey and not Firefox. Soon, Firefox will do away with facilitating the use of multiple profiles and with the status bar at the bottom of the browser window. I'm hoping multiple profiles remain in SeaMonkey. I've been informed that the status bar will definitely remain. What is common between the two is the use of the Gecko core and certain other core-like components. It is the Gecko core that displays Web pages. Thus, both FireFox and SeaMonkey should identify themselves as Gecko. Oops, they already do. The problem is with Web developers who setup servers to sniff for Firefox when they should instead sniff for Gecko -- if they can really justify sniffing. A Web page that complies with the W3C specifications generally should not require sniffing at all. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. Not really - I generally spoof as Safari or IE if I encounter a sniffing problem. Either works just fine, and I maintain listings of Safari and IE versions under User Agent Switcher. I believe that Midori spoofs as Safari. I don't know what the history of Midori is, it just showed up in a version of Linux and I tried it out. -- A blessed New Year 73, doc, KD4E http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day Defend free speech or lose your freedom. I don't google I SEARCH! http://ixquick.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
d...@kd4e.com wrote: Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. Not really - I generally spoof as Safari or IE if I encounter a sniffing problem. Either works just fine, and I maintain listings of Safari and IE versions under User Agent Switcher. I believe that Midori spoofs as Safari. I don't know what the history of Midori is, it just showed up in a version of Linux and I tried it out. The User Agent Switcher add-on allows a user to maintain lists of user agent strings and spoof as whatever he wishes, whenever he wishes, using selections from a drop-down menu. One of the other nice things about it is that it always returns to the default string on close of session if the user forgets to reset. And something I recently discovered about Safari is that this capability is actually built into Safari - but it won't show unless the user enables the Development Tools option. It's there as a tool for testing web pages one develops, but it also works for spoofing on the fly. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
On 1/3/11 8:20 PM, Rufus wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Rufus wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: David E. Ross wrote: .. Of course, that will hide the fact that SeaMonkey is in use and lead Web developers to ignore SeaMonkey. That's also a reason I frequently dispute folks when they say just set it to mask as IE and fuggetaboutit. :-/ If the code in seamonkey *is* the code of firefox, it's normal that he *must* spoof as firefox. Not really - I generally spoof as Safari or IE if I encounter a sniffing problem. Either works just fine, and I maintain listings of Safari and IE versions under User Agent Switcher. I believe that Midori spoofs as Safari. I don't know what the history of Midori is, it just showed up in a version of Linux and I tried it out. The User Agent Switcher add-on allows a user to maintain lists of user agent strings and spoof as whatever he wishes, whenever he wishes, using selections from a drop-down menu. One of the other nice things about it is that it always returns to the default string on close of session if the user forgets to reset. And something I recently discovered about Safari is that this capability is actually built into Safari - but it won't show unless the user enables the Development Tools option. It's there as a tool for testing web pages one develops, but it also works for spoofing on the fly. The PreBar extension has those same capabilities as User Agent Switcher plus many other features. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Workaround to print coupons?
Anyone have a workaround to print coupons using Linux and Seamonkey from this site? http://www.coupons.com/ What clowns would write such inadequate code anyhow? My wife would like access to them and I don't allow anything from the virus-honeypot that is MS to connect to the Internet here. -- A blessed New Year 73, doc, KD4E http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day Defend free speech or lose your freedom. I don't google I SEARCH! http://ixquick.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
d...@kd4e.com wrote: Anyone have a workaround to print coupons using Linux and Seamonkey from this site? http://www.coupons.com/ What clowns would write such inadequate code anyhow? My wife would like access to them and I don't allow anything from the virus-honeypot that is MS to connect to the Internet here. Spoof your browser - I use this plugin: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ The site displays just fine if you use this to tell it it's one that it wants. More info on User Agent strings here: http://www.useragentstring.com/ Handy reference to copy/paste from. SM can be any browser you wish... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
Rufus wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Anyone have a workaround to print coupons using Linux and Seamonkey from this site? http://www.coupons.com/ What clowns would write such inadequate code anyhow? My wife would like access to them and I don't allow anything from the virus-honeypot that is MS to connect to the Internet here. Spoof your browser - I use this plugin: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ The site displays just fine if you use this to tell it it's one that it wants. More info on User Agent strings here: http://www.useragentstring.com/ Handy reference to copy/paste from. SM can be any browser you wish... Thant's it? I thought it would be more difficult ... will give it a try. Thanks! -- A blessed New Year 73, doc, KD4E http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day Defend free speech or lose your freedom. I don't google I SEARCH! http://ixquick.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround to print coupons?
On 1/2/11 5:12 PM, d...@kd4e.com wrote: Anyone have a workaround to print coupons using Linux and Seamonkey from this site? http://www.coupons.com/ What clowns would write such inadequate code anyhow? My wife would like access to them and I don't allow anything from the virus-honeypot that is MS to connect to the Internet here. This is bug #533490. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533490. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
