Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet...
I obtained such a permit a while back for NY State. was quite easy to do. filled out the form the Ohio office sent me, and was on my way. can't do the same where I live now, because the owner of the property won't sign the paperwork. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet... Hey Keith I jumped over from the main biofuels list Does anyone have experience getting a BATF small fuel producer permit? -Martin Klingensmith --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 85 of us here now. Why so quiet? Good biz ain't made by lurking, guys. Best Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet...
I'm sorry if this is a repeat but Yahoo made me login again and I'm not sure if it was sent or not.. So in your experience, can the land be non-commercial? I would like to run a small still in my garage, it would make things a hell of a lot easier, yet I do not want any legal trouble. I swear it's only for an experiment, officer! Martin Klingensmith --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I obtained such a permit a while back for NY State. was quite easy to do. filled out the form the Ohio office sent me, and was on my way. can't do the same where I live now, because the owner of the property won't sign the paperwork. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet... Hey Keith I jumped over from the main biofuels list Does anyone have experience getting a BATF small fuel producer permit? -Martin Klingensmith --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 85 of us here now. Why so quiet? Good biz ain't made by lurking, guys. Best Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: Aus suppliers
Thanks Keith That would be most helpful of you. Steve Original Message Follows From: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 38 Date: 15 Jul 2001 08:26:35 - Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Australian Suppliers From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Re: Australian Suppliers From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:25:44 +1000 From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Australian Suppliers Hi Keith, Steve and all Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy doing it! Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should email me off list (to link below please) if they; a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk supplies, or b) believe they've found a good source of the above. Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and either 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we might be able to soon. In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting it 'from the well'. Since our BD business is a natural progression/extension of our work in nationwide transport, we think there's some way we can organise a national network of supply, whether we refer you to your nearest supplier or truck it to you. (Those with the storage to warehouse it for their region and act as agents should also email). Regards Steve Woolcott HarvestEnergy [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:37:03 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Australian Suppliers Hi Steve When you're ready, please send me the details and I'll add it all to the Biofuels supplies page at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html That it's Oz-only is no problem, I'm happy to regionalise it. By the way, it might interest you to know that Oz is the #2 source of visitors to our Biofuels pages, after the US and ahead of Britain and Canada. I think the membership of the Biofuels list has a similar pattern, but not so easy to tell because of all the non-country-specific Yahoos and hotmails etc. Best wishes Keith Addison Hi Keith, Steve and all Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy doing it! Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should email me off list (to link below please) if they; a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk supplies, or b) believe they've found a good source of the above. Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and either 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we might be able to soon. In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting it 'from the well'. Since our BD business is a natural progression/extension of our work in nationwide transport, we think there's some way we can organise a national network of supply, whether we refer you to your nearest supplier or truck it to you. (Those with the storage to warehouse it for their region and act as agents should also email). Regards Steve Woolcott HarvestEnergy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet...
I had a still in my backyard. you have to produce a site plan, among other things. the requirements are well spelled out in the packet they send you. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet... I'm sorry if this is a repeat but Yahoo made me login again and I'm not sure if it was sent or not.. So in your experience, can the land be non-commercial? I would like to run a small still in my garage, it would make things a hell of a lot easier, yet I do not want any legal trouble. I swear it's only for an experiment, officer! Martin Klingensmith --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I obtained such a permit a while back for NY State. was quite easy to do. filled out the form the Ohio office sent me, and was on my way. can't do the same where I live now, because the owner of the property won't sign the paperwork. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet... Hey Keith I jumped over from the main biofuels list Does anyone have experience getting a BATF small fuel producer permit? -Martin Klingensmith --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 85 of us here now. Why so quiet? Good biz ain't made by lurking, guys. Best Keith Addison __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: Aus suppliers
Thanks Keith That would be most helpful of you. Steve Whenever you're ready Steve. Keith Addison snip Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy doing it! Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should email me off list (to link below please) if they; a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk supplies, or b) believe they've found a good source of the above. Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and either 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we might be able to soon. In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting it 'from the well'. Since our BD business is a natural progression/extension of our work in nationwide transport, we think there's some way we can organise a national network of supply, whether we refer you to your nearest supplier or truck it to you. (Those with the storage to warehouse it for their region and act as agents should also email). Regards Steve Woolcott HarvestEnergy snip Hi Steve When you're ready, please send me the details and I'll add it all to the Biofuels supplies page at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: Aus suppliers
Hi Wooly In UK, I recently asked a supplier if I could collect methanol they said only if the collecting driver could show full COSHH certification (COSHH is Control OF Substances Harzardous to Health). Don't know if it's same in Oz, but over here you get it delivered and don't move it again (legally) without full certification. Dave --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Keith That would be most helpful of you. Steve Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 38 Date: 15 Jul 2001 08:26:35 - Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Australian Suppliers From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Re: Australian Suppliers From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ __ __ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:25:44 +1000 From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Australian Suppliers Hi Keith, Steve and all Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy doing it! Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should email me off list (to link below please) if they; a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk supplies, or b) believe they've found a good source of the above. Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and either 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we might be able to soon. In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting it 'from the well'. Since our BD business is a natural progression/extension of our work in nationwide transport, we think there's some way we can organise a national network of supply, whether we refer you to your nearest supplier or truck it to you. (Those with the storage to warehouse it for their region and act as agents should also email). Regards Steve Woolcott HarvestEnergy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. __ __ __ __ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:37:03 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Australian Suppliers Hi Steve When you're ready, please send me the details and I'll add it all to the Biofuels supplies page at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html That it's Oz-only is no problem, I'm happy to regionalise it. By the way, it might interest you to know that Oz is the #2 source of visitors to our Biofuels pages, after the US and ahead of Britain and Canada. I think the membership of the Biofuels list has a similar pattern, but not so easy to tell because of all the non-country-specific Yahoos and hotmails etc. Best wishes Keith Addison Hi Keith, Steve and all Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy doing it! Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should email me off list (to link below please) if they; a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk supplies, or b) believe they've found a good source of the above. Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and either 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we might be able to soon. In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting it 'from the well'. Since our BD business is a natural progression/extension of our work in nationwide transport, we think there's some way we can organise a national network of supply, whether we refer you to your nearest supplier or truck it to you. (Those with the storage to warehouse it for their region and act as agents should also email). Regards Steve Woolcott HarvestEnergy [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ __ __ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ ___
[biofuel] Pressurized distillation for power extraction
Keith -- I can see alcohol distillation as a by product of a boiler vapor cycle. But not at the present low temps. With butane as working fluid -- for example -- it would be nice to be operating at 400 F. Now -- here is the plan -- condense alcohol at higher temperature under pressure! Verbal flow diagram. Think of a pressurized distillation column. You could direct fire or steam heat the mash. Which would boil up through the column. Condensers at the top -- with redirects for the effluents. Water would return to the pot -- alcohol separated and out of this system. I would have to look up the vapor characteristics of alcohol -- but just to guess Water would be condensing at 445 F at 400 psi pressure. Alcohol would not! First stage is condensing the water out at 445 F -- second stage would be condensing the alcohol out by further reducing its temperature -- higher up the same column. In both cases temperature reduction for condensation is accomplished by boiling butane -- which in turn produces power using an Ormat style device. You now have a power plant that distills alcohol as a side line! Greatly reducing heat requirements/losses. Further -- if you can get the vapor tables for alcohol -- you may find a larger spread in condensing temperatures exist at these pressures -- which would mean better extraction efficiencies. Has anyone used pressurized stills yet? Directly introducing high pressure/temperature steam to the mash pot would accomplish this purpose - A 400 psi -- 445 F boiler is a simple -- old fashioned -- fire tube boiler. Cheap and easy to acquire. In the sugar cane example -- these are more or less the style boilers they have now -- burning bagasse. So there you go -- the bagasse would then be supplying steam for power and distillation -- but all in one pass. Hey - this could really change the way people are looking at this process. Peter Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Pressurized distillation for power extraction
How are you planning on boiling butane though, safely? seems rather scary to me. --- Peter Singfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith -- I can see alcohol distillation as a by product of a boiler vapor cycle. But not at the present low temps. With butane as working fluid -- for example -- it would be nice to be operating at 400 F. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Electric car design
I think there are people here experienced with electric vehicle ideas, I have a fairly broad-based question: Do any current electric vehicles utilize regenerative braking, or flywheel braking, and how much energy does this reclaim? Thanks Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Model American.........
As far as model Americans, one can always blow a hole in this. Companies that spend (waste) time doing market research have found that people will say what they think you want to hear, but do something entirely different. For example, in the early 50's, Chrysler did some one-on-one market research, while designing the 1954 Plymouth. When the car hit the showroom, it was not a corporate design, but instead, designed by what they were told people wanted during the extensive/expensive market research program. The result? The 1954 Buick, the car that was as big as a house, outsold the Plymouth 4-to-one. So much for the model American.and the reason no corporation will make an expensive mistake like this again. It took Chrysler years to recover their losses from this. E.J. On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:08:15 -0400 Pat McCotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When we speak of the model American we are actually talking about either the design team at a consumer manufaturer or their Madison Avenue advertiser. These folks need to target a specific demographic so they need this model. There's really nothing nefarious about it. Unless of course the designers have decided it's easier to design for one model and we're going to breed them this way! (But I see the black helicopter coming over the hill...) I wish I could remember the aricle I read on this recently. (If an article doesn't relate directly to an interest of mine, I don't tend to read deeply.) There are products manufatured for a need and there are needs manufactured for a product was one of the ideas I gleaned from a skimming of the article. The big surprise I got out of it was that before 1970, Hershey Chocolate did not do any advertising at all, none in their entire history. How many other companies were like that, I'm wondering? But, this goes off topic for biofuel? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Social effects of motorized transport
IE., Barbie and Ken Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Pat McCotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Social effects of motorized transport When we speak of the model American we are actually talking about either the design team at a consumer manufaturer or their Madison Avenue advertiser. These folks need to target a specific demographic so they need this model. There's really nothing nefarious about it. Unless of course the designers have decided it's easier to design for one model and we're going to breed them this way! (But I see the black helicopter coming over the hill...) I wish I could remember the aricle I read on this recently. (If an article doesn't relate directly to an interest of mine, I don't tend to read deeply.) There are products manufatured for a need and there are needs manufactured for a product was one of the ideas I gleaned from a skimming of the article. The big surprise I got out of it was that before 1970, Hershey Chocolate did not do any advertising at all, none in their entire history. How many other companies were like that, I'm wondering? But, this goes off topic for biofuel? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Electric car design
http://www.sover.net/~jerryh/step5.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 1:51 PM Subject: [biofuel] Electric car design I think there are people here experienced with electric vehicle ideas, I have a fairly broad-based question: Do any current electric vehicles utilize regenerative braking, or flywheel braking, and how much energy does this reclaim? Thanks Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Electric car design
Hi Martin and All, --- Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there are people here experienced with electric vehicle ideas, I have a fairly broad-based question: Do any current electric vehicles utilize regenerative braking, or flywheel braking, and how much energy does this reclaim? Yes, but not worth it energy wise unless you live in a very hilly area. They do help save brakes though which helps because of the increased weight of conversions. Most AC controllers do it but are pricy and a few dc controllers like the ZAPI and some used Curtis controllers do but are rare. No one does flywheel storage I believe. Thanks Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OT Saving the whale
Hi All, I figured out how to save the right whale that has a net intangled on it but don't know where to get ahold of the people trying to save it. Any help with this off-list would be greatfully apreciated. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fw: Biomass Bioenergy 20/6
Journal: Biomass and Bioenergy ISSN : 0961-9534 Volume : 20 Issue : 6 Date : Jun-2001 Visit the journal at http://www.elsevier.nl/locate/jnlnr/00986 pp 399-411 Biomass and nutrient removal by willow clones in experimental bioenergy plantations in New York State H.G. Adegbidi, T.A. Volk, E.H. White, L.P. Abrahamson, R.D. Briggs, D.H. Bickelhaupt pp 413-419 Impact of row spacing, nitrogen rate, and time on carbon partitioning of switchgrass Z. Ma, C.W. Wood, D.I. Bransby pp 421-429 Strategies for augmenting sugarcane biomass availability for power production in Mauritius R. Panray Beeharry pp 431-446 Pretreatment of straw for power production by pyrolysis and char wash P.A. Jensen, B. Sander, K. Dam-Johansen pp 447-457 Removal of K and Cl by leaching of straw char P.A. Jensen, B. Sander, K. Dam-Johansen pp 459-470 Effect of leaching on the ash behavior of wheat straw and olive residue during fluidized bed combustion S. Arvelakis, P. Vourliotis, E. Kakaras, E.G. Koukios pp 471-481 Power boiler fuel augmentation with a biomass fired atmospheric circulating fluid-bed gasifier N. Raskin, J. Palonen, J. Nieminen pp 483-489 Bio-fuel production system in France: an Economic Analysis J.C. Sourie, S. Rozakis Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] drying naoh
any suggestions on drying naoh to zero water content ? much appreciate your help. cheers, dick. be tidy, be considerate, snip yourself into other people's hearts. this is a public service message. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel production in Western Australia
FYI Recently a consortium announced that they intend to construct a biodiesel production facility in Hazlemere in the outer suburbs of Perth (the capital) The consortium is also intending to construct plants in Sydney and Melbourne. About time we had a alternative here in WA. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: The really soft proof of maybe something, kind of, or not..
Whatever your feelings on GM, there is a danger in engineering a super-plant, in that it will behave like a super-plant, and so will become a highly invasive and dominant species causing significant problems to indigenous plants. Far better to concentrate on the highly varied, and in many cases under-utilized, widely available resources we already have. OFF-TOPIC (I think most genetic codes that have been published (i.e. peer reviewed in respected jornals) are freely available on the internet, including that of a model plant.)End! RG Richard FitzGibbon wrote: OK group, here it is: In the 70's I read that a team of (New Mexico?) Ag students discovered the ancient ansestor of modern corn plant in the Sonoran Desert. It only grew 4 or 5 kernnels on a very small mis-shapen cob. But it grew in the DESERT. In the 80's a (Florida?) Ag prof. was reported to hawe said that the common pond cattail contained more SUGAR per kilogram than any other plant. In the early 90's I read a report from a committee of geneticists that a plant could be GENETICALLY ALTERED to produce enough sugar to make distillation of ethanol economically feasable. I have no idea where these atatements are true or not. I was not interested it the stuff at the time, so nothing remains but isolated memories. These memories are in my head. I have no proof they occured. Now I want to confirm them or discard them. The tiny tread that connects these memories is the basis of my book. Anyone ever read these statemnts? Know about them? So consider this, if a plant could be genetically bio-engineered to have the following characteristics: to grow in semiarid areas, to be easy to harvest, to never need cultivation, to be extremely high in sucrose and grow rapidly all year, then, the oil cartel would collapse, the skies would clear, global warming would stop and the cost of all manufactured goods prices would decrease. Of course, the geneticist(s) would face some withering resistance from the oil cartel. And I suspect they already have. I believe genecists are working on this precise task, someplace on earth, probably not in an oil producing nation or state (duh). My book is about the problems of a Sprint car driving physician (Yea!!!) releasing genetic research on the internet (the geeks plant genetic code, Yea!!!) in the face of oppposition from oil interests (Boo!!!). I think this is an important time in history. Don't give up. R.D. FitzGibbon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Environmental impact of ethanol fuels debate
The short answer is ethanol is both good and bad for the environment, said Daniel Becker, director of the Sierra Club's global warming and energy program. I guess the same could be said for Club Sierra (they do do some good, don't they?). - K http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11564 Planet Ark Environmental impact of ethanol fuels debate USA: July 16, 2001 WASHINGTON - Supporters of ethanol like to describe it as a cleaner-burning fuel additive that helps keep the air clearer, but critics say its environmental drawbacks may outweigh some of the benefits. While ethanol made from corn gives a boost to the incomes of American farmers, the alternative fuel poses complex trade-offs for US oil refiners, environmental groups and federal regulators trying to find cleaner gasoline to curb pollution. The short answer is ethanol is both good and bad for the environment, said Daniel Becker, director of the Sierra Club's global warming and energy program. Ethanol is in the spotlight because Congress and the administration of President George W. Bush are grappling with US energy problems, and supporters of ethanol tout the fuel as one of the solutions. Unlike other fuel additives, ethanol does not contaminate ground water supplies but it produces more smog in some circumstances and tiny amounts of sulfur result when it is blended into gasoline. The benefits are that ethanol does reduce carbon monoxide when used in the winter time, but it increases smog when used in the summer, Becker said. That's because a key drawback to ethanol is that it evaporates more quickly in certain conditions, which results in higher emissions of smog-forming compounds, according to the US Energy Information Administration. When compared to conventional gasoline, ethanol yielded lower emissions of carbon monoxide than motor gasoline but higher emissions of nitrogen oxide that causes smog, EIA said. We are more concerned about solving the smog problem than about solving the carbon monoxide problem, Becker said. Ethanol is a renewable resource that the Bush administration wants to help reduce US dependence on foreign oil imports. It also can raise octane in gasoline and prevent annoying engine pings. Ethanol is one of the main so-called oxygenates or oxygen booster added to reformulated gasoline to meet federal clean air requirements. The extra oxygen helps the fuel burn cleaner. The Environmental Protection Agency requires most major US cities to use the cleaner-burning gasoline with more oxygen by weight during the hot summer months to reduce smog and air pollution. Ethanol is the second most popular oxygen booster for fuel among refiners - ranking only behind MTBE, which is now used in almost 9 out of every 10 gallons of reformulated gasoline. However, Ethanol use will soon soar now that a dozen states have decided to ban MTBE because that fuel additive can leak from underground storage tanks into drinking water supplies. ETHANOL AND SULFUR PROBLEMS? Separately, finished fuel-grade ethanol contains small amounts of sulfur, between 2 and 8 parts per million, to help distinguish it from drinkable alcohol, according to EIA. This could become a problem for refiners when they begin meeting new federal low-sulfur requirements in a few years, EIA said. Beginning in 2006, the sulfur content of gasoline must be reduced to an average 30 parts per million. In addition to environmental concerns, ethanol blended gasoline is more complicated to transport to markets. The additive poses logistical problems because gasoline containing ethanol cannot be shipped in the nation's vast network of multi-fuel pipelines. Moisture in pipelines and storage tanks causes ethanol to separate from gasoline. As result, the petroleum-based gasoline components must be shipped separately to a terminal and then blended with the ethanol when the product is loaded into trucks. Those higher shipping costs, which would likely be passed on to consumers, are a major reason California sought a federal waiver from having to use ethanol after the state banned MTBE. The Bush administration denied the request last month, even though environmentalists insisted the White House decision would spew additional smog-forming pollution into the state's air. This will mean dirtier air and price hikes at the pumps in California, said Frank O'Donnell, executive director of the Clean Air Trust. The ethanol industry defends the environmental benefits of its product. The Renewable Fuels Association, the industry's trade group, acknowledged that when ethanol is blended with gasoline it slightly raises the volatility of the fuel that can lead to increased evaporation of smog-forming emissions. However, blending ethanol reduces carbon monoxide tailpipe emissions that are responsible for 20 percent of smog formation, the renewable fuels group said. TRADE GROUP SAYS ETHANOL CUTS OZONE In addition,
