Re: [Biofuel] US DOE and USDA offer $15 million for biomass research
I was already working on my feisabality study with an engineer for a month now when I found out about this a week ago. I will be first in line. been finding equipment. a lot higher than i planned but still not out of the 2 million limit.still looking for a 90 gph rectifier. From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/02/01 Tue PM 02:37:42 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] US DOE and USDA offer $15 million for biomass research DieselNet UPDATE January 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ US DOE and USDA offer $15 million for biomass research The US Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the US Department of Energy (DOE) announced the availability of funds to support research, development, and demonstration of biomass based products, bioenergy, biofuels, biopower, and related processes. USDA and DOE will provide as much as $15 million for the projects under their joint Biomass Research and Development Initiative. Pre-applications are due by February 15th, full applications are due by April 15th. http://www.fedgrants.gov/Applicants/USDA/NRCS/2890/67-3A75-5-22/listi ng.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] methanol storage
This is probably going to be a matter of local and maybe state regulation. I would first check with your local health and fire departments to see if there are city or county regulations. They can put you on to any state regulations. As far as I know there are no federal regulations that would apply nationwide. There maybe guidelines but it would be up to states and cities to adopt them. Depending on the quantity of methanol there maybe zoning regulations as well. It's smart of you to check things out ahead of time because there can be stiff fines for violating regulations on flammable materials. Rick Jeremy Tracy Longworth wrote: Does anyone know of any restrictions on storing methanol in your garage ect. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst
could you please indicate Amberlite type you used?. Did you removed water in as much it was formed?. Could you describe the reactor you used, specially how you placed the catalyst?. Many thanks in advance, Francisco - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Iwan, Please take a moment to quantify/describe and identify the location of what you perceive to be a lot of soap. - Original Message - From: Iwan Prawito [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Dear, I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil (CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46) first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value from 46 to 1.3. then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me? Regards, Iwan Prawito - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Mike, How come that whenever we talk with and about US, most of the USanians (replaces Americans not the insane -:)) point out that US is the greatest democracy (Greek for ruled by the people) in the world. Whenever someone criticize US the Usanians are no longer Americans, the country is corpcracy (my invention for ruled by corporations), God is CEO and that someone is guilty of American bashing. Even the President blame God for his decisions and claim that he told him to do it. Reminds me of my childhood and the blame games. LOL It is not my fault, Daddy (God) told me to do it. That is maybe why I love USanians, because I love children and they can get away with almost anything. Sometimes a child must learn the lesson of taking responsibility for what he/she did and it is therefore I am of the opinion that US and nobody else should pay the $ for the Iraq occupation. I feel a bit sorry for the record debts, record trade deficit, record low currency and the almost ruined economy. It is however important that the USanians take the full responsibility for their deeds, especially since they voted for it in the last election. I see no reasons for others to pay for the US adventures, neither in blood nor in money. If they come out good at the end, the lesson was worth while. What you suggest, is that the one who have the most money can buy the most votes and will be president. Hmmm, in Europe we would call that large scale corruption. UN do not accept elections as honest and fair, if anyone buy votes. That is maybe why President Carter said that the US elections would not pass the UN criteria. Hakan At 11:43 PM 2/1/2005, you wrote: Hakan, I don't disagree with most of what you said. In fact, it doesn't necessarily conflict with my earlier email. But, you are assuming that when a country with a two party system, has an election, the two who are nominated, represent the best leaders the country has to offer. That's in a perfect world. Furthermore, there are numerous studies showing that no matter who is running, the winner of the election is the one with the biggest campaign budget. We have a flawed, two party system that caters to big business and has little interest in campaign reform. His stamp of approval as you say, came from corporate America. According to figures supplied by Public Citizen, in only five of 34 United States Senate races in 1996 did the winner spend less than the loser. http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~askin/LEXIS(R).htm By the way, Americans as the Canadians correctly point out, isn't just those living in the United States. my quote Those Americans.! was sarcasm. Mike Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To both Mikes, Before the election, I was inclined to take the argument that Bush did not represent the Americans. When he was first elected, he promised to be a uniter and a lot of more things that have been contrary to his actions during the first term. When he got elected the first time, it was technically by electoral system and the courts, not by a populous majority. Now he was reelected with a comfortable populous and electoral majority and it cannot even be blamed on the electoral system. In a democracy, he now represent the US and the citizens of US, his actions got the stamp of approval from the American people. It was no surprises this time, everybody knew what he stands for. I still agree that some individuals (stateless) cannot be blamed for his victory, but Bush represent all Americans and in a democracy. This is how it works in a democracy. If you are not a citizen of US, you can still claim that Bush and the US, do not represent the Americans. The Canadians and central and south Americans, can with authority say that Bush and US do not represent them. Hakan At 07:19 PM 2/1/2005, you wrote: Those Americans.!. If your are not American and anti-American, know this: There are plenty of Americans who watched the coronation -- like the 80+ thousand protesters (myself included) who marched in NYC on March 20th, 2004. Many were more interested in cheering on the demonstrators along the parade route than the parade itself. Many who haven't lived here in the US, don't know how complex the culture is and how many are screaming foul, knowing they are not being represented in a duopoly we call the federal government. Many of us who are not atheists, don't subscribe to nationalistic dogma and have the benevolence to see the trouble with those who only find it in their hearts to say God Bless America. Mike Anti-Fossil wrote: Luc, I would like to clarify a couple of things for you, as it appears to me that perhaps you do not know all that you think you do. First, I do not personally know of one single person who actually watched president dumb-a** on his ridiculous inauguration day. I am sure there were plenty, but my point is that there are a great many people in this country, in my opinion, who do not subscribe to his
[Biofuel] Engine block heater for VW TDI
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[Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know the answer -- why do the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's, correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward DESPISING the US? It can't really be about religion -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[4]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo Luc, This is yet another form letter to let you know I have received your donation of $40.00 (US),4,120.00 Japanese Yen and to let you know that despite this being a form letter I, Keith, Midori, Martin and the entire Biofuels list (I am sure) thank you for your help, kindness and generosity. Thank you again friend. Be well and happy. Happy Happy, Gustl And some non-form mail. The list has come a long way I think. One thing which may cause some some difficulty is having to keep repeating things when it comes to politics and the misinformation which is spread about nearly everything but it is necessary. It not only corrects (or attempts to correct) folks misconceptions it re-inforces things for those who are not yet certain. I am thinking mainly now of my fellow citizens who have been spoonfed this malicious my country right or wrong crap from the cradle on. They seem to equate the hostility towards the evil actions of our government with hostility towards common US citizens. They lose any rational critical thinking skills they may have had as soon as they hear anything they deem anti-American. But they are slowly learning. There is hope and it encourages me. It also allows people to see that not all of us are the idiots some of us are. Communication at its best. I hope you and yours are well and happy brother. I remember you in my daily prayers. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth
Re: Fwd: Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Nice to see you are well. What has been most misquoted is Money is the root of all evil as being from the Bible, but it is not so. What is so, is the correct quote, The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. The mere possesion is not a problem however the LOVE of it is as it causes all the things you so apply describe as the sins of man embodied in his corporate greed, disregrarding the health and well being of countless millions for nothing other than a profit line. How something of so little value could become such a motivator is left to those who wish to analyse such things, nevertheless a motivator it is, and unfortunately and unhealthy one unless kept in it's place behind the higher value of the life of the innocents it's influence affects. No man is an island, we all have influence, some positive some negative, never neutral. Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge I was going to comment on this earlier. Maybe better never than late. Maybe not. Hypocrisy is not the birthright, political or genetic disposition of any given group, unless you define that group as humans. Ask yourself this: Which is the greater sin (or substitute your word of preference)? To place a gun to someone's head and pull the trigger or, as a practice of industry, to knowingly poison a drinking water or air supply with chemicals that lead to deformities, disabilities and/or death, whether sanctioned by statute/rule or not, to knowingly consume such products with virtually no effort to curb personal consumption of them or find an alternative, or to knowingly consume the products of industries that commit such practices but to reduce consumption and move towards complete cessation? One is muder in the first person. One is murder by fiat. One is murder by apathy. One is murder by complicity. Under a Christian doctrine, and probably most others, not A, B, C or D can stand in the presence of God. But the backup in the sewer comes about with D, as as rationalizations and justifications begin to abound. Given enough time, the terlet backs up all the way to the corporate ladder, where the excuses become We were only doing what consumers and the market demanded, or God requires us to follow the rules of state. Well, I'll leave it up to any reader to determine just how well such hog squat is going to fly in front of anyone's God of choice. True that it seems some sects get washed over the gunwhales with their blatency. But hypocrisy is no more industry specific than it is gender, theology or polically based. Everyone is a participant to some degree, whether intentionally or swept along in an ancilliary fashion. Overall and in general, it's a programmed defect of the species - inordinately social and in some part perhaps genetic, What remains to be seen is how well humans can collectively and individually evolve above it and whether we'll survive to see the day. In the interim, I still don't stop wondering when right to life is going to start meaning all life Todd Swearingen The end of the human race will be that we eventually die of civilization. Ralph Waldo Emerson - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge Mr Wilde, No large inclusive statement was intended to be made about right to lifers in general I was pointing out that he claims to be the champion of the life of an unborn child and yet seems to be the champion of poisoning unborn children. I never meant that all right to lifers were in favor of poisoning unborn children. Although I disagree with right to lifers I believe that their opinion on the subject comes from a place of caring, I just feel that they are misguided in their caring. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't make LARGE INCLUSIVE STATEMENTS about those of us who are fighting to save the unborn child ! IF ONLY THOSE WHO DESIRE ABORTION HAD EXPERIENCED THIS THROUGH THEIR OWN MOTHER, this would be a very moot point. I think that it is a highly confused point of view to suggest that anyone desires abortion. Making the decision to abort one's unborn child is quite possibly the hardest thing that one will ever have to do. Those on the other side of this argument are simply desirous of the right to have an abortion. When abortion is illegal it is not eliminated, it becomes a coat hanger operation. We have seen this in our own country. Abortion is never something that should be taken lightly but it is also not something that should be banned. Further, suggestions that those that are in favor of abortions should have been aborted are pretty heinous. You should take a deep look into
Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels?
- Original Message - From: Brian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels? Hey all. We have finally arrived at our new home in California. Congrats on a successful move. Maybe now you can set up your reactor eh? Maybe perhaps? We are in Ukiah, and there is a business near downtown called Yokayo Biofuels. Wanna learn about your new home ? http://www.cityofukiah.com/ Bet your learn more from living there though. Luc Was just wondering if anyone here is associated with them? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] methanol storage
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Tracy Longworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] methanol storage Does anyone know of any restrictions on storing methanol in your garage ect. Keep it away from the heater for your furnace, he he. I have some in a locker that is cool and dry and do not aticipate any problems. Luc __ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
You are not understanding something here. 5 to 10gr ??? That is quite a jump. Is it 5, 6, 7, 8,9 or 10 ? Or did you do several batches with the different amounts of cartalyst ? Did you titrate it or wing it ? Did you heat it to 55C and mix for 20 minutes in a blender or just stir in the methanol and lye with a spoon? Did the methanol and lye completely mix before you added it to the WVO ? It normally should take up to near 30 minutes for micro pearls of NaOH to disolve in methanol of 99% purity. Perhaps a refresher course in how-to might be helpful. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Have a close look at the information and try to see what you are not doing correctly. We can walk you through each and every problem you encounter, however you should be able to troubleshoot some of the more basic ones yourself after carefyl study of the methodology, so take a step back and look at it and see what you come up with and post your results. 500ml is a good volume as it doesn't allow for much in the way of mistakes, so once you well understand the process using this amount then the transition to bigger batches will be simpler. Luc - Original Message - From: anibal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] wvo won't react heloo!!! again!!! i have another type of wvo.. this is liquid at room temperature.. it is black... very heavily used.. i tried a mini batch of 500 ml..100 ml methanol.. and from 5 to 10 grams of lye.. and it wont react... the more lye.. the more it seemed to want to react but.. nothing happened overnight,,, any thoughts? on what might be the problem? maybe the oil is stale? maybe it has too much water? my methanol. is about 98% percent it has been going well in other reactions.. should i add more lye? thanks for the info!! anibal ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Second test batch help?
The link beeds to be fixed, it should be http://www.geocities.com/sipractitioner/biocoffee.jpeg. - Original Message - From: Trevor Churney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Second test batch help? This is a picture of my second test batch [1]http:=/www.geocities.com/sipractitioner/biocoffee.jpeg and I have a few questions. 1. Is this too dark of a mixture? Hard to tell from the blurry pic, although it usre looks black (:0 2. What happens when you put the NaOH + methanol mixture in too hot of o=l? And what is too hot? In reverse. Processing temp is 55C (130F) Get a thermomter from a truck stop, they are about 5$ or sp and work well, the spike kind. Too hot wil evaporate the methanol. It gases at 148.5F (64.7/65C) and this would cause you to not have enough for the reaction if you are boiling it off as soon as it hits the oil. I ask the second cause when I poured the NaOH + methanol mixture in it boiled over. Before doing anything to it did you check it for water content ? When heating the WVO if it crackels on it's way to 55C it has water in it and that will adversely affect the reaction and may just be the cause of your boil over. I am not sure what the temp was but it was not hot to burn=e but hot enough not to hold it too long. in titration I used 1.8 ml=f the 1% NaOH + Distilled Water Solution. So I used 5.3 g of NaOH wi=h 200 ml of methanol on 1 L WVO and I mixed what was left from the bo=l over for 20 mins in a blender. Except the blending after the boil over (=I wanna see what comes of it) does this all sound right to you all? Also the place where I got this WVO also mixed in the used oil=rom the grille and I think that is why it is so dirty. If you are getting 1,8ml in titration it is NOT that dirty. How are you getting to that figure ? Luc I am sure as this biocoffee settles and I try to wash it somet=ing will come up to post more questions. ___ Sign-up f=r Ads Free at Mail.com [2]http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup References 1. 3Dhttp://www.geocities.com/sipractitioner/biocoffee.jpeg; 2. 3Dhttp://mail01.mail.com/scripts/payment/adtracking.cgi?bannercode___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Perhaps a moment to learn a little respect for beliefs other than your own might be in order.Or, should others treat you the way you treat them? Luc - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I might think it, but I leave that to GOD THE CREATOR ! you are presupposing that I give a tinker's dam about your belief in voodoo. I don't and therefore your message is wasted on me. toodles -- -- Bob /ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels?
Hey Luc, G'day Brian; Hey all. We have finally arrived at our new home in California. Congrats on a successful move. Maybe now you can set up your reactor eh? Maybe perhaps? Thanks. I am hopeful that I can finally do more than just test batches. We are renting, and our lease says no manufacturing or dangerous chemicals on the property. But, we can rent a fair size storage unit for just $25 per month. It's close to home, and they don't seem to be too concerned with what activities go on there. I'm also planning to look into what's going on at Yokayo Biofuels and another operation about 15 miles away in the town of Hopland. Even if I'm buying rather than making my own, I'll be driving on locally made B100 from now on. Do you have any good leads on mid-80s Mercedes cars? I have the cash available to buy one that would be reasonably priced. It seems that the prices on eBay go quite a bit higher than what I think is appropriate for cars in good condition. I know that there are newsgroups that are much better searching grounds, but am having trouble digging them up at the moment. Brian We are in Ukiah, and there is a business near downtown called Yokayo Biofuels. Wanna learn about your new home ? http://www.cityofukiah.com/ Bet your learn more from living there though. Luc Was just wondering if anyone here is associated with them? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst
Dear Iwan, In my opinion, you got soap because significant FFA still present in the CPO. You may either do the following two alternatives: 1. You may remove the free fatty acid in Crude Palm Oil by reacting with NaOH and separate the soap using a centrifuge, do the transesterification reaction and wash the products with warm water to remove glycerol, some methanol and NaOH. You may use physical process of deacidification of CPO, but I don't think it will be suitable for a lab scale experiment as it needs high vacuum and relatively high temperature of operation and off course availability of heating media such as steam or heating oil. 2. You may carry out esterification of Free fatty acid using Acid Catalyst such as H2SO4, followed by Transesterification of triglycerides in CPO using base catalyst. The rest, you may do the usual step by washing the products with warm water and recover methanol using distillation and further purification of your glycerol. We have tried the method in our pilot plant (1.5 tonnes per day) in PUSPITEK Serpong Indonesia, and it works well for the CPO feed stock that characteised by high FFA content. I will leave it up to you the exact amount of catalysts and methanol . Good Luck, Arie Rahmadi Senior Engineer Engineering Center BPPT Indonesia - Original Message - From: Iwan Prawito [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Dear, I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil (CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46) first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value from 46 to 1.3. then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me? Regards, Iwan Prawito - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels?
there, and sometimes you can get some really good deals. - Original Message - From: Brian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels? Hey Luc, G'day Brian; Hey all. We have finally arrived at our new home in California. Congrats on a successful move. Maybe now you can set up your reactor eh? Maybe perhaps? Thanks. I am hopeful that I can finally do more than just test batches. We are renting, and our lease says no manufacturing or dangerous chemicals on the property. But, we can rent a fair size storage unit for just $25 per month. It's close to home, and they don't seem to be too concerned with what activities go on there. I'm also planning to look into what's going on at Yokayo Biofuels and another operation about 15 miles away in the town of Hopland. Even if I'm buying rather than making my own, I'll be driving on locally made B100 from now on. Do you have any good leads on mid-80s Mercedes cars? I have the cash available to buy one that would be reasonably priced. It seems that the prices on eBay go quite a bit higher than what I think is appropriate for cars in good condition. I know that there are newsgroups that are much better searching grounds, but am having trouble digging them up at the moment. Brian We are in Ukiah, and there is a business near downtown called Yokayo Biofuels. Wanna learn about your new home ? http://www.cityofukiah.com/ Bet your learn more from living there though. Luc Was just wondering if anyone here is associated with them? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
No. Theoretically there's nothing wrong with money, only what it might represent - how a person acquires it and what one does with it. I don't believe that anyone who gives much thought to the matter will find that the love of money is the root (sole source) of all evil. Theological scholars would probably relay that something was lost in the translation, with money becoming the metaphoric medium for evil as barter and exchange of one's own talents were replaced with more universal systems of currency. Gratifying one's own wants, ego and id over the basic existance and needs of others is probably a lot closer to the root of all evil. Everything else just happens to be fruit from the same tree. Apparently that was too much to put on a bumper sticker when the King James was last revised. They did have it largely right when the Seven Deadly Sins were penned. Note could be made that all are extremes of their own spectrums. Pride, Avarice/Greed, Envy, Wrath/Anger, Lust, Gluttony and Sloth Even their opposites - Humility, Generosity, Love, Kindness, Self Control, Temperance and Zeal - must necessarily be tempered with a focus on the needs and greater good of others. Elsewise they become nothing more than destructive manifestations of their counterparts. Mohandas Gandhi was probably perfectly center on with his Seven Deadly Sins. One could note that they don't necessarily apply to the individual, becoming societal in context. Many would prefer not to look in either direction. Wealth without Work Pleasure without Conscience Science without Humanity Knowledge without Character Politics without Principle Commerce without Morality Worship without Sacrifice www.mkgandhi.org Like I said, all a bit more winded than a sound bite that will fit on a bumper sticker... Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge G'day Todd; Nice to see you are well. What has been most misquoted is Money is the root of all evil as being from the Bible, but it is not so. What is so, is the correct quote, The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. The mere possesion is not a problem however the LOVE of it is as it causes all the things you so apply describe as the sins of man embodied in his corporate greed, disregrarding the health and well being of countless millions for nothing other than a profit line. How something of so little value could become such a motivator is left to those who wish to analyse such things, nevertheless a motivator it is, and unfortunately and unhealthy one unless kept in it's place behind the higher value of the life of the innocents it's influence affects. No man is an island, we all have influence, some positive some negative, never neutral. Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge I was going to comment on this earlier. Maybe better never than late. Maybe not. Hypocrisy is not the birthright, political or genetic disposition of any given group, unless you define that group as humans. Ask yourself this: Which is the greater sin (or substitute your word of preference)? To place a gun to someone's head and pull the trigger or, as a practice of industry, to knowingly poison a drinking water or air supply with chemicals that lead to deformities, disabilities and/or death, whether sanctioned by statute/rule or not, to knowingly consume such products with virtually no effort to curb personal consumption of them or find an alternative, or to knowingly consume the products of industries that commit such practices but to reduce consumption and move towards complete cessation? One is muder in the first person. One is murder by fiat. One is murder by apathy. One is murder by complicity. Under a Christian doctrine, and probably most others, not A, B, C or D can stand in the presence of God. But the backup in the sewer comes about with D, as as rationalizations and justifications begin to abound. Given enough time, the terlet backs up all the way to the corporate ladder, where the excuses become We were only doing what consumers and the market demanded, or God requires us to follow the rules of state. Well, I'll leave it up to any reader to determine just how well such hog squat is going to fly in front of anyone's God of choice. True that it seems some sects get washed over the gunwhales with their blatency. But hypocrisy is no more industry specific than it is gender, theology or polically based. Everyone is a participant to some degree, whether intentionally or swept along in an ancilliary fashion. Overall and in general, it's a programmed defect of the species - inordinately social and in some part perhaps
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
I had originally written a quite long and detailed response but upon re-reading it decided shortness woud be better. - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day Luc, I would like to clarify a couple of things for you, as it appears to me that perhaps you do not know all that you think you do. First, I do not personally know of one single person who actually watched president dumb-a** on his ridiculous inauguration day. I am sure there were plenty, but my point is that there are a great many people in this country, in my opinion, who do not subscribe to his brand of insanity and are working night and day to limit his damage. And I am certain that that can be a frustrating experience at times. I am a simple man and do not claim to know the inner workings of world politics, or even top level American politics. In a nut shell? Top level US politic are run from Israel. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.-- Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. But I know this, if you dismiss all of America because of the policies of an obviously lacking President, then you do so at your own peril. This country should not be judged to be the sum total of her leadership. That simply isn't the case. America is about her people. Unfortunately for you the controlled media has seen to it that you do not have a voice for the rest of the world to hear. Say what you will about us, Are you including yourself in the collectivity of war supporters ? I think not, you certainly do not sound like it. the fact is that I personally know at least 6 soldiers who are either in Iraq right now, or have rotated back, and I can tell you first hand not one of them wants to be there. Better there killing the innocent in a criminal war that in jail for refusing to do it eh? Do we still sound like war mongers to you? There's the collectivity again. What do you call it, Just following orders ? I could pass on stories they have relayed to me, about things that have happened over there, that would give you a different perspective, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. Very condescending of you. You see, I do not have a wrapped perspective, what I do not have is an American perspective, becuaee frankly that level of hubris I don't comprehend too well. Personally, I am of the opinion that you are just anti-American, and that is unfortunate, but also quite popular today. The Americans I know and communiate with on a regular basis don't think so, but if that helps you to pigeonhole me, then it is your opinion, as you said, and to which you are entitled. The only other point I wanted to make was that if we do get into a war with China and/or Russia, God forbid, I think it would be in the worlds best interest to appeal to all parties involved, and do whatever is required to prevent any conflict from starting. That is part of the problem, waiting for others to clean up the mess. Millions were in the streets appealing before the criminal invasion of Iraq took place. These are brave folk, perhaps you were there? The problem is that the world no longer has a say, as was evidently proven when the US thumbed it's nose at the UN and went ahead anyway.That was unfortunate and pretty darn dumb too, however it did show that the UN is irrelevant and unable to diplomatically stop a nation hell bent on destroying another, especially when the HQ of the UN is in said nation and enjoying dinners at the Waldorf. Who knows what would be left for collateral, or to be damaged for that matter. The point is, when looking into the eyes of that child, still dripping with the blood of her parents which had just moments earlier been slaughtered before her by the US military bringing democracy and freedom via M-16's I could not help but wonder if, or when, the day should come that these were Americans being treated this way just how much sympathy will other nations be willing to show? Is the world a safer place ? Israel seems to think everything is just fine... except for Iran, Syria and whoever else is on the list of those allegedly seeking WMD's, unlike itself which actually has them in huge stockpiles. What if they gave a war and no one came ? I weep for the children who are suffering in this atrocity, although I have a great deal of difficulty feeling anything at all for so-called soldiers who are causing the misery.Review the Apache videos of 30mm cannons slaughtering unarmed farmers, and turn up the speakers, you won't want to miss the part where the gunner says he's down, he's hit and the guy giving the orders replies hit him and he does, with 30mm
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
Have you read through the material at the JtF site ? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Those questions snd more are all answered there. Luc - Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react Hi; I'm a new member.I just read that WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) has got a higher level of acidity than ordinary oil. (particuarly rapeseed oil which is why it's used.) Might the acidity of the wvo have an effect on the reaction. I think lye is an alkali but i'm not a chemist so I don't know, unfortunately. JD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html Media pagina. Middle of the page.WintronCX-30 is UK. Luc - Original Message - From: Nuno Alegria - MT Energia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Hi Does anyone knows any additives for use with biodiesel to low CFPP in winter? Where can we buy it in Europe? Thanks, -- Nuno Alegria ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels?
Being in Calif I think you hitthe jackpot for vintage Benz's. They are not used they are venerable, ha! Try thes forums out, they often have members that come up with delighful offerings. 1) http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/forumdisplay.php3?s=forumid=15 2) http://www.benzworld.org/forums/default.asp Should I ever be fiscally able a stable of fine diesels is in the future :-) a very large maybe there by the by. Luc - Original Message - From: Brian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels? Hey Luc, G'day Brian; Hey all. We have finally arrived at our new home in California. Congrats on a successful move. Maybe now you can set up your reactor eh? Maybe perhaps? Thanks. I am hopeful that I can finally do more than just test batches. We are renting, and our lease says no manufacturing or dangerous chemicals on the property. But, we can rent a fair size storage unit for just $25 per month. It's close to home, and they don't seem to be too concerned with what activities go on there. I'm also planning to look into what's going on at Yokayo Biofuels and another operation about 15 miles away in the town of Hopland. Even if I'm buying rather than making my own, I'll be driving on locally made B100 from now on. Do you have any good leads on mid-80s Mercedes cars? I have the cash available to buy one that would be reasonably priced. It seems that the prices on eBay go quite a bit higher than what I think is appropriate for cars in good condition. I know that there are newsgroups that are much better searching grounds, but am having trouble digging them up at the moment. Brian We are in Ukiah, and there is a business near downtown called Yokayo Biofuels. Wanna learn about your new home ? http://www.cityofukiah.com/ Bet your learn more from living there though. Luc Was just wondering if anyone here is associated with them? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
It's a can of worms. The despise part is easiest to answer without opening the can too big. The short of it ? Israel. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know the answer -- why do the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's, correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward DESPISING the US? It can't really be about religion -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
controlling government.Democracy is the people controlling both. Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day Hello Suresh Hi All, I guess we are missing the real point: The division is not among Americans and the rest of the world. The division is what America has become to represent. It has been hijacked by MNCs which worry about bottom line. I read after the elections that big software company execs in India were happy Bush got re-elected. Reason ? he won't curb out sourcing. I strongly recommend David Korten's When Corporations Rule the World. We are all fools when we fight based on our nationalities, the division is not based on borders. The division is based on people who work and produce real wealth and parasites that live off this and control everything on top of this, the MNCs. David Korten calls them Stratos dwellers (based on Star Trek) and these dwellers come from all the countries around the world including America. I believe one of the worst impacted people by the Stratos dwellers are Americans themselves. It will be much more difficult for Americans to free themselves from these MNCs compared to rest of the world. Best Regards, Suresh. I don't think many of us are missing that point, but it can't be overemphasized, IMHO, so thanks for saying so. There's quite a lot in the list archives about David Korten, and *really* a lot about MNCs, corporate globalisation, corporate crime, etc. Re Korten, see: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=Kortentime=alluserti me=2002-12-31 I think you're right too about how deeply in thrall the US is to the MNCs. You can transfer that directly to the sheer quantity of spin per capita directed at Americans - far greater than in any other country, and for obvious reasons I suppose. Quite a recen statistic was that there are 20,000 more PR professionals than journalists working in the US. Sad comment. Still, as I've said here a few times before, despite various foolish accusations of America-bashing and America hating (baseless slander), I still look to Americans to lead the way in countering this, and to take their country back. I'm sure I'm not alone here in thinking this way. Many of the most tireless and effective campaigners are indeed Americans, in this as in many other most pressing issues challenging the world today. In spite of everything, it's MUCH too soon to write them off as a lost cause. Washington, now... well, that's another matter. And nationalities? Yes, I've poured scorn on that a few times too: The spirit of nationality is a sour ferment of the old wine of tribalism in the new bottles of democracy. Not a new quote, and the ferment's grown all the sourer since, but the fact remains that the nation-states remain, dinosaurs though they might be. People still respond when you wave a flag. Odious things, flags. At least tribes don't have flags. (I rather like tribes.) On the other hand, here we all are sharing knowledge and much besides on the global Internet, nothing sour about that, eh? Nothing sour about the WSF in Porto Alegre either, and that's the tip of an iceberg. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:19:18 -0800 (PST), Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those Americans.!. If your are not American and anti-American, know this: There are plenty of Americans who watched the coronation -- like the 80+ thousand protesters (myself included) who marched in NYC on March 20th, 2004. Many were more interested in cheering on the demonstrators along the parade route than the parade itself. Many who haven't lived here in the US, don't know how complex the culture is and how many are screaming foul, knowing they are not being represented in a duopoly we call the federal government. Many of us who are not atheists, don't subscribe to nationalistic dogma and have the benevolence to see the trouble with those who only find it in their hearts to say God Bless America. Mike Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luc, I would like to clarify a couple of things for you, as it appears to me that perhaps you do not know all that you think you do. First, I do not personally know of one single person who actually watched president dumb-a** on his ridiculous inauguration day. I am sure there were plenty, but my point is that there are a great many people in this country, in my opinion, who do not subscribe to his brand of insanity and are working night and day to limit his damage. I am a simple man and do not claim to know the inner workings of world politics, or even top level American politics. But I know this, if you dismiss all of America because of the policies of an obviously lacking President,
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Now he was reelected with a comfortable populous and electoral majority and it cannot even be blamed on the electoral system. The system we have is electoral, so blaming the system itself makes no sense. Manipulating that system, as was the case in both elections, is a serious issue. The margin of victory in the recent election was rather narrow, but the NeoCons are behaving as if it were a landslide. In a democracy, he now represent the US and the citizens of US, his actions got the stamp of approval from the American people. He represents a very slight majority of us. I would hardly characterize his recent victory as a mandate, and I, as an American citizen, certainly DO NOT espouse his spendthrift, environmentally irresponsible and misery-inducing policies. Bush represent all Americans and in a democracy. This is how it works in a democracy. We've gone over this before. Those of us who disagree with what's going on are being shouted down by the manipulated mass of indoctrinated jingoists. Please do not characterize all Americans as unified with our current leadership. God remains in control, but our president and all who support him are on the wrong side of the conflict. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil
Luc - Original Message - From: Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil Good day Luc. If you and other list members would like to read something about BioD in a group list (like this but with less frequent postings) but in Spanish you may try Biogasoil (gasoil is more common to call around here, the diesel fuel) http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/biogasoil/ Some postings might be dealing with similar problems about BD but it has less topics on Alternative Energy compared to the full spectrum found here. Atentamente, Juan Boveda Paraguay -Mensaje original- De: Legal Eagle [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Sabado 29 de Enero de 2005 6:34 PM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil G'day all; How to energize the list with more 3rd world input? Post in the local language followed by an english translation where posible. Not everyone speaks conversational English in written form, however this does not mean that these individuals do not have very worthy things to say, just maybe a little shy to take a whack at a foreign language they are not too familiar with? Maybe ? At least that way those who do not understand English fluently will be able to benefit from posts in their own language. Might be a bit of a bother to those of us who do not speak Hindi or any number of languages, but then with an attempt at translation we could at least get the point. Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil Greetings Pan BRAZIL AND WORLD SOCIAL FORUM Thank you very much for Keith for bringing here the important event in south as only the north of the world alwayes get importance . Not to you, and not to me either, and we're not the only Southerners here - and that doesn't mean Texas! LOL! Very interesting post, as usual, Pan, thanks very much! There've been other posts from you that were provocative and full of good ideas and I wanted to respond more than I succeeded in doing. I hope we can focus on some of the issues you've raised. Important scientific personalities such as Da Silva ,Mukul Sharma, Several political leaders such as Lula of Brazil , several economic leaders who are devoted and dedicated their life to poor from all over the world are coming together in WSF,world social forum. Keith , this is very good news to know that this event has unexpectedly become a global political and social phenomenon and will be going to spread all the parts of the world as this an real globalization of the wealth for all. Yes, real globalisation. The mainstream (ie Northern) press, just as they're so inclined to assume that if trade is free it must be good (NOT!), so often labels people like us and the hugely diverse groups that oppose the WTC and so on as anti-globalisation. Yet I think all of these people are quite clear that they accept globalisation but not *corporate* globalisation, a different and predatory animal. Being anti-globalisation would be a foolish denial, it's simply a fact: the world is round, not flat, and society is global, One World. That has much more to do with Marshall McLuhan's Global Village than with the neo-liberal pseudo-economic cant and the pseudo-globalisation promoted by the WTC etc. The feeling here in Brazil is really looking for the new model of economic , truly challenging US , showing another type of economic model in future political one not the left , or right but the green party I think that feeling is now widespread. We ,Brazilian feel that we can produce enough diesel and food for the most part of the world as we have the largest lands that can be cultivated are in the south , not in the north of G8 , but with G3, the India , Africa and Brazil as the rich sorce of biocombustivel and food for the world. Yes. Hence these G3 together is real threat not only the US but also the G8. To the powers-that-be, yes. What is going to be economic war based on the fuel.As G8 will always divide and rule G3, the WSF has the great green future not make the war , but make peace for poor Instead of super market oriented marketing and distribution , what we need is an Ruralization of urban areas in G3 with distributed energy and food based on biofuel Energy and food... They have so much in common. I think it's one of the things that differentiate this list, that we deal with subjects like this here. When you start talking of decentralising the food supply or decentralising the energy supply to the local level, as you're doing, it soon becomes difficult to tell the one from the other. We know about resource wars by now and about oil and militarism - see, eg, from quite an embarrassment of riches:
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Actually there is more than ample reason to believe than massive vote fraud took place, across the board wherever the papreless Diebold machines were in use. That of course would mean that Bushco are not a legitimate government, not only not havin ggotten the popular vote but not getting enough votes at all, were it not for the numerous indications of irregularities but alas, the Democrats threw in the towel even before the votes were counted.Makes on wonder about that, it's weird. A fairly well represented collection of vot fraud links can be found here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrhmt/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=1search=vote+fraud Luc - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day Hakan Falk wrote: Now he was reelected with a comfortable populous and electoral majority and it cannot even be blamed on the electoral system. The system we have is electoral, so blaming the system itself makes no sense. Manipulating that system, as was the case in both elections, is a serious issue. The margin of victory in the recent election was rather narrow, but the NeoCons are behaving as if it were a landslide. In a democracy, he now represent the US and the citizens of US, his actions got the stamp of approval from the American people. He represents a very slight majority of us. I would hardly characterize his recent victory as a mandate, and I, as an American citizen, certainly DO NOT espouse his spendthrift, environmentally irresponsible and misery-inducing policies. Bush represent all Americans and in a democracy. This is how it works in a democracy. We've gone over this before. Those of us who disagree with what's going on are being shouted down by the manipulated mass of indoctrinated jingoists. Please do not characterize all Americans as unified with our current leadership. God remains in control, but our president and all who support him are on the wrong side of the conflict. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Second test batch help?
Kieth, I did a few batches with SVO and they came out great. I think the oil isirty because burnt cheese was put into the used oil. I boiled off th water but I did not fine filter it yet. Once it is washed I ahve som 20 micron filters that I am going to run it through. I have a tiple beam balance that I zero out every time I use it with an ob ject of known weight. I did not have a thermometer at the time butnbs;I have invested in one. I have read the JtF site several times carefully nd when something is in qustion I refer back to the site. It seems tht the seperation was a sucess today it is much clearer and has two layers. am going to procede with caution and wash it a but see what happens. Thanks Trevor Hello Trevor This is a picturef my second test batch [1]http:/www.geocitiescom/sipractitioner/biocoffee.jpeg Broken url, here's theorrect one: http://www.geocities.com/sipractitioner/biooffee.jpeg It does look very dark, but it's not very cler - the photograph, that is. Bit hard to tell much from it. t; and I have a few questions. 1 Is this too dark of a mixture? 2. What happen when you put the NaOH + methanol mixture in too hot of ol? nd what is too hot? I ask the second cause whe I poured the NaOH + methanol mixture in it boiled over. I a not sure what the temp Process your biodiesel at 55 deg (131 deg F). Anything much hotter than that and you'reetting too close to the boiling point of methanol, which is 64.7eg C (148.5 deg F). It can be done but you need a processor (bot the machine and the human) that's able to handle it. was but it was not hot to burne but hot enough no to hold it too long. in titration I used 1.8 mlf the 1% NaO + Distilled Water Solution. So I used 5.3 g of NaOH wih 200l of methanol on 1 L WVO and I mixed what was left from theol over for 20 mins in a blender. Except the blending afterhe boil over (I wanna see what comes of it) does this all sund right to you all? Except the temperature control. Ifou heat the oil to 55 deg C it should stay above 50 deg for 20 mnutes in a blender - remembering that adding the methoxide will col it down a few degrees, unless you add it while the methoxide i still hot from mixing (it's an exothermic reaction, producing het). How did you mix the methanol and the lye? This is th best way: Methoxide the easy way http://journeytoforeve.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html#easymeth Is your measuring nd weighing gear up to scratch? Also the place wher I got this WVO also mixed in the used oilrom the grille and think that is why it is so dirty. Did you filter it an dewater it? Anyway, that calls your titration result into questin - 1.8ml of 0.1% lye solution is good oil, not overused or dirty Why didn't you start with virgin oil? ave you read this, carefully? All of it? At least once? ttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Make your own bioiesel Best wishes Keith -- ___ Sign-up fr Ads Free at Mail.com [1]http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup References 1. 3Dhttp://mail01.mail.com/scripts/payment/adtracking.cgi?bannercode___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fw: Biofuels
Biofuels - Original Message - From: Mark Dubrow To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:45 PM Subject: Biofuels Andreas, Maybe Stellios would like to see this? ok, Mark http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/headlines05/0131-04.htm Published on Monday, January 31, 2005 by the Agence France Presse German Farmers Championing 'Flower Power' for Cleaner Energy BERLIN - Germany is looking to messier energy sources to produce cleaner fuel, showing the world that it is possible use all-natural plant and animal products to run cars and heat homes. In a famously ecological country, innovators have backed away from belching gas guzzlers and looked to new energy sources such as gas from liquid manure, rapeseed diesel and wood-burning electric power stations. The Green Week in Berlin, Europe's biggest agricultural fair, has given center stage to cleaner forms of energy whose sources can be found right on the farm. Growers of rapeseed, one of the primary sources of cooking oil, have discovered their crop has a new calling at petrol stations. Heated to a high temperature, it becomes a biological form of diesel that emits only a fraction of the carbon dioxide. Some 1.1 million tons of the fuel, nicknamed flower power, were produced by about 20 manufacturers in 2004 in Germany. About 1,800 petrol stations sell it, benefiting from an exemption from the fuel tax. In time, up to 10 percent of the diesel used in the European Union could be biodiesel, according to its promoters, up from two percent in Germany today. With this type of product, you know it will always sell, said Tobias Mickler of the Renewable Products Agency, pointing out several brand new car models running on biodiesel on display at the Green Week. A few meters away, engineer Eckhard Schneider sings the praises of power stations running on liquid manure -- cattle urine and dung -- fermented with corn, rye or grass. The energy released is used as a source of heat on farms and surrounding areas and can be used to produce electricity. Two thousand farms use biological gas in Germany, Schneider said, adding that he also has clients in France. In time, half the 400,000 German farms will be equipped with these kind of power stations. Wood burning systems of all sizes that offer the same dual sources of heat and electricity were also out in force at the Green Week. Publicly subsidized, they can be used on farms but also in private homes and workshops. In 2003, renewable energy supplied 3.1 percent of the energy used by consumers in Germany, versus 1.3 percent in 1990, according to the consumer protection ministry. Germany's center-left government has taken a leading role in championing cleaner energy sources, reducing the country's reliance on tightening oil supplies, risky nuclear power and heavy carbon dioxide producers, believed to be responsible for global warming. Biological energy is the most productive of the renewable energy sources which also include wind, hydraulic and solar power, the ministry said. Each year, it allows the country to prevent the emission of nearly 20 million tons of greenhouse gases. The dreamers even believe that biomass -- organic products used to produce energy -- could power an entire town. Juehnde, close to the northern university city of Goettingen, decided to test the theory. The town, population 800, now predicts it will soon be able to satisfy all of its heat and electricity needs with animal and plant products from its own backyard. Copyright © 2005 Agence France Presse ### -- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] [off topic] Shooting of Palestinian girl threatens fragile ceasefire
Source: The Independent http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=606537 Shooting of Palestinian girl threatens fragile ceasefire By Eric Silver in Jerusalem 01 February 2005 The de facto ceasefire in the Gaza Strip was shattered yesterday when a 10-year-old Palestinian girl was shot dead in the playground of a primary school in the Rafah refugee camp. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which runs Rafah Elementary School B, said Norhan Deeb was hit by a rifle bullet apparently fired from an Israeli army observation post 800 metres away. She suddenly screamed and fell bleeding, a witness said. The children scattered in all directions. Palestinian doctors said Norhan was shot in the head and was dead on arrival at hospital. Another girl, Aysha el-Khatib, aged seven, was wounded in the hand. Bullets also broke school windows. Yousef Ibrahim, a local human rights activist, said the shooting was unprovoked. Plainly embarrassed Israeli military sources said they knew of no shooting in the area at the time. They said they were conducting a thorough investigation in co-operation with the Palestinian security services, which were deployed in the Strip last week to prevent attacks on Jewish settlements. But Johan Eriksson, a spokesman for UNRWA, said: The only firing at that time in the Rafah area was from the observation post. It continued for some time. The children were in the yard for afternoon assembly. Teachers tried to get them into the building, but they were too late. Peter Hansen, UNRWA's commissioner general, said: Despite the hopeful signs of improvement in the situation, we have again been reminded of the continuing danger to which innocent children are exposed by the realities of the occupation and the irresponsible use of arms. The school has 2,500 pupils, aged seven to 11. Because of the overcrowded conditions, they study on a two-shift system. The shooting happened during a change of shifts. The school has been hit many times over the past four years, but yesterday's shooting was the first death there. UN officials said it was the fifth incident in two years in which children had been killed at Gaza schools. The Israelis were anxious to avoid an escalation a few hours before security chiefs from both sides were to meet in Tel Aviv and cement the ceasefire, but Hamas retaliated by launching five mortar rounds at nearby settlements. Two hit Neveh Dekalim, the regional centre, causing damage to one home. On Sunday night, soldiers shot and killed a 65-year-old man who entered an Israeli no-go area near the Egyptian border. Elsewhere in Gaza, Israeli troops found and defused a roadside bomb. The Israeli military said it checked the claims and found two cases in which soldiers opened fire, but neither was in the area where the girl was shot. According to our examination, the girl apparently was not shot by Israeli army gunfire, the military spokesman's office said. ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Germany Shines, Oily Bus, Orange Plastics, the Laddermill
From [Mad_Cowboy] 02-01-05 newsletter: www.madcowboy.com *07: Germany Shines, Oily Bus, Orange Plastics, the Laddermill GERMANY SHINES A BEAM ON THE FUTURE OF ENERGY: (12/20/04): A solar-power project built by a Berkeley company may point Germany toward a pollution-free future. Set in the heart of Bavarian farmland, the 30-acre facility went online earlier this month, becoming the biggest solar energy plant in the world. For the government of Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, the Muhlhausen solar farm represents a gamble that Germany, the world's third biggest economy, can replace its principal energy sources -- coal, natural gas, oil and nuclear power -- with clean, safe and renewable alternatives. The country is now the No. 1 world producer of wind energy, with more than 16,000 windmills generating 39 percent of the world total, and it is fast closing in on Japan for the lead in solar power. Wind and solar energy together provide more than 10 percent of the nation's electricity, a rate that is expected to double by 2020. It has become a profitable business, too, with about 60,000 people employed in the design and manufacture of wind and solar energy equipment. [Very edited from the cool article discussing pros, cons, history at: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/20/MNGRAAEL4B1.DTL BUS BOUND FOR COSTA RICA RUNS ON USED COOKING OIL: (12/13/04): The Sustainable Solutions Caravan wants to show the world how to recyle more and create less waste. Itai Hauben, Tom Shaver and Stephen Brooks pour used vegetable oil into a 1972 modified diesel Carpenter school bus they are driving to Costa Rica. The oil was given to them by El Charro Cafe. The engine in the bus has been modified to run on used straight vegetable oil, said Zak Zaidman, 36, one of the 10 members of the Sustainable Solutions Caravan traveling on the bus from its summer home in the San Francisco Bay area to winter quarters in Costa Rica in Central America. The group was founded last year to promote sustainability through the use of renewable energies, organic farming and sustainable lifestyles, he explained. That means less waste and more recycling. The group also promotes Earth-friendly farming, which will be critical if the fuels of the future are to be grown rather than mined. The destination of the caravan is Punta Mona Center for Sustainable Living and Education, an 85-acre organic farm and education retreat in Costa Rica, he said. For more information, go to puntamona.org. [Edited from: http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=localstory_id=121304a4_caravanwart [The Sustainable Solutions Caravan website: http://caravan.thefractal.org/modules/wfchannel/index.php?pagenum=2 PLASTICS MADE FROM ORANGE PEEL AND A GREENHOUSE GAS: (01/17/05): A Cornell University research group has made a sweet and environmentally beneficial discovery -- how to make plastics from citrus fruits, such as oranges, and carbon dioxide. In a paper published in a recent issue of the Journal of the American Chemical Society (Sept. 2004), Geoffrey Coates, a Cornell professor of chemistry and chemical biology, and his graduate students Chris Byrne and Scott Allen describe a way to make polymers using limonene oxide and carbon dioxide, with the help of a novel helper molecule -- a catalyst developed in the researchers' laboratory. Limonene is a carbon-based compound produced in more than 300 plant species. In oranges it makes up about 95 percent of the oil in the peel. The Coates laboratory comprises 18 chemists, about half of them striving to make recyclable and biodegradable materials out of cheap, readily available and environmentally friendly building blocks. Today we use things once and throw them away because plastics are cheap and abundant. It won't be like that in the future, says Coates. At some point we will look back and say, 'Wow, remember when we would take plastic containers and just throw them away?' [Edited from: http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Jan05/Orangeplastic.deb.html A NOVEL CONCEPT TO EXPLOIT THE ENERGY IN THE AIRSPACE : (01/05): There is an enormous amount of energy hidden in the winds over our heads. At an altitude of 30,000 feet, the wind energy is twenty times as large as at sea level. The laddermill is a new and novel idea to harness this immense energy resource. The laddermill consists of a large number of kites on an upward and downward motion. The kites used are of a breed between regular kites and airplanes. The kites used in the laddermill, generally called kiteplanes, combine the ascension characteristics of kites with the descension characteristics of aircraft. By creating a large loop of kiteplanes ascending and descending, a rotation can be created. In turn, this rotation can be coupled to a generator to create energy. The loop of kiteplanes can ultimately go up to 30.000 feet, which would generate approximately 100MW. [Edited from:
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Ken; It's a can of worms. The despise part is easiest to answer without opening the can too big. The short of it ? Israel. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know the answer -- why do the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's, correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward DESPISING the US? It can't really be about religion -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ dear friend religion is hard wired to homo sapiens brain. this connection is strongly switched on when people are subjected to injustices and oppression. I think this has something to do with survival. If the people of Iraq did not have faith, the whole population will become suicidal. In some cases the chemical reactions in the brain go offbeat and bring about fundamentalism. This fundamentalism exists in ALL religions. Because of 9/11, an average man singles out Muslims. If you ask a man in an Arab street, why they hate USA, their reply would be we do not hate the American people, we hate the US government's policy towards the Arab world. Especially, when it comes to Isreal and her treatment of the palestinian civilians and the killing of palestinian children on an almost daily bases. This blatent double standard is to balme for the hatered of the USA in the Arab world. To spray fuel on this hatered is not in the interest of the USA, as the quarter of the world population is Muslim. I hope this has opened your mind. fox ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] [off topic] Shooting of Palestinian girl threatensfragile ceasefire
The first time this happened it was passed off as a chance affair, now it is evident that it was not an accident but a deliberate assasination of a school child. Who benefits from a lasting peace not being instituted in Palestine? There is only one group that works very hard to see to it that no such occurence will ever take place, and at the same time encroaches and steals yet more land at every turn. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [off topic] Shooting of Palestinian girl threatensfragile ceasefire Source: The Independent http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=606537 Shooting of Palestinian girl threatens fragile ceasefire By Eric Silver in Jerusalem 01 February 2005 The de facto ceasefire in the Gaza Strip was shattered yesterday when a 10-year-old Palestinian girl was shot dead in the playground of a primary school in the Rafah refugee camp. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which runs Rafah Elementary School B, said Norhan Deeb was hit by a rifle bullet apparently fired from an Israeli army observation post 800 metres away. She suddenly screamed and fell bleeding, a witness said. The children scattered in all directions. Palestinian doctors said Norhan was shot in the head and was dead on arrival at hospital. Another girl, Aysha el-Khatib, aged seven, was wounded in the hand. Bullets also broke school windows. Yousef Ibrahim, a local human rights activist, said the shooting was unprovoked. Plainly embarrassed Israeli military sources said they knew of no shooting in the area at the time. They said they were conducting a thorough investigation in co-operation with the Palestinian security services, which were deployed in the Strip last week to prevent attacks on Jewish settlements. But Johan Eriksson, a spokesman for UNRWA, said: The only firing at that time in the Rafah area was from the observation post. It continued for some time. The children were in the yard for afternoon assembly. Teachers tried to get them into the building, but they were too late. Peter Hansen, UNRWA's commissioner general, said: Despite the hopeful signs of improvement in the situation, we have again been reminded of the continuing danger to which innocent children are exposed by the realities of the occupation and the irresponsible use of arms. The school has 2,500 pupils, aged seven to 11. Because of the overcrowded conditions, they study on a two-shift system. The shooting happened during a change of shifts. The school has been hit many times over the past four years, but yesterday's shooting was the first death there. UN officials said it was the fifth incident in two years in which children had been killed at Gaza schools. The Israelis were anxious to avoid an escalation a few hours before security chiefs from both sides were to meet in Tel Aviv and cement the ceasefire, but Hamas retaliated by launching five mortar rounds at nearby settlements. Two hit Neveh Dekalim, the regional centre, causing damage to one home. On Sunday night, soldiers shot and killed a 65-year-old man who entered an Israeli no-go area near the Egyptian border. Elsewhere in Gaza, Israeli troops found and defused a roadside bomb. The Israeli military said it checked the claims and found two cases in which soldiers opened fire, but neither was in the area where the girl was shot. According to our examination, the girl apparently was not shot by Israeli army gunfire, the military spokesman's office said. ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] WVO esterification with heterogeneous catalyst
Senior Engineer Engineering Center BPPT Indonesia Dear Mr. Rahmadi: 1.- Do you estimate that is theoretically correct to say that after acid esterification (using heterogeneous catalyst) the remaining oils and fats can be incorporated into feed rations formulation?. 2.- Could you please tell me: Once the excess of methyl alcohol has been removed, is there any industrial technique (besides molecular distillation) that allows separation of methyl esters from mon-di-tri-glycerides (oils fats)?. Thanks in advance, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Arie Rahmadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Dear Iwan, In my opinion, you got soap because significant FFA still present in the CPO. You may either do the following two alternatives: 1. You may remove the free fatty acid in Crude Palm Oil by reacting with NaOH and separate the soap using a centrifuge, do the transesterification reaction and wash the products with warm water to remove glycerol, some methanol and NaOH. You may use physical process of deacidification of CPO, but I don't think it will be suitable for a lab scale experiment as it needs high vacuum and relatively high temperature of operation and off course availability of heating media such as steam or heating oil. 2. You may carry out esterification of Free fatty acid using Acid Catalyst such as H2SO4, followed by Transesterification of triglycerides in CPO using base catalyst. The rest, you may do the usual step by washing the products with warm water and recover methanol using distillation and further purification of your glycerol. We have tried the method in our pilot plant (1.5 tonnes per day) in PUSPITEK Serpong Indonesia, and it works well for the CPO feed stock that characteised by high FFA content. I will leave it up to you the exact amount of catalysts and methanol . Good Luck, Arie Rahmadi Senior Engineer Engineering Center BPPT Indonesia - Original Message - From: Iwan Prawito [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Dear, I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil (CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46) first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value from 46 to 1.3. then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me? Regards, Iwan Prawito - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Mis-sent mail
Hallo All, I must apologize to Luc and the list for inadvertantly mailing a private mail to the list concerning his donation amount. I did not notice that the mailing list address was in the reply to: section of his header on the mail. I will be more careful and attentive in the future. Please accept my apology. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Are you suggesting that anyone who is not a Citizen of the US is also anti-USA? -- Nope. If makes it a conditional statement. Many who haven't lived here in the US, don't know how complex the culture is and how many are screaming foul, knowing they are not being represented in a duopoly we call the federal government. -- ...sorry about that. I slipped. This (below) should be easier to read: Many who haven't lived here in the US, don't know how complex the culture is and how many *who do live here* are screaming foul, knowing they are not being represented in a duopoly we call the federal government. Mike P.S. Please close with your name. :-) DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, I have a few questions below: Those Americans.!. If your are not American and anti-American, know this: Are you suggesting that anyone who is not a Citizen of the US is also anti-USA? I don't think this is what you are suggesting but it sounds like it. There are plenty of Americans who watched the coronation -- like the 80+ thousand protesters (myself included) who marched in NYC on March 20th, 2004. Many were more interested in cheering on the demonstrators along the parade route than the parade itself. Many who haven't lived here in the US, don't know how complex the culture is and how many are screaming foul, knowing they are not being represented in a duopoly we call the federal government. Please clarify: It sounds like you said Many who haven't lived here are crying foul because they are not represented. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Had I known you were out to bait me I would've answered more completely.Opened my mind indeed. Faith has been and will continue to be a leading force in humans, and I will be the first to promote it that way, and have been, give the archives a read. When you assert that all religious entities have had and do have their fanatics, this is a hard fact, and I will act that all these have also been infiltrated by those whose agenda it is to foster strife and discord less all should form any sort of united front against tyranny so where is it that my mind needs to be opened and at what point do you, in your clarity above all others, assess that it was closed before your intervention? You make a flat out declaration that that was so, and I insist on a lucid reply. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion dear friend religion is hard wired to homo sapiens brain. this connection is strongly switched on when people are subjected to injustices and oppression. I think this has something to do with survival. If the people of Iraq did not have faith, the whole population will become suicidal. In some cases the chemical reactions in the brain go offbeat and bring about fundamentalism. This fundamentalism exists in ALL religions. Because of 9/11, an average man singles out Muslims. If you ask a man in an Arab street, why they hate USA, their reply would be we do not hate the American people, we hate the US government's policy towards the Arab world. Especially, when it comes to Isreal and her treatment of the palestinian civilians and the killing of palestinian children on an almost daily bases. This blatent double standard is to balme for the hatered of the USA in the Arab world. To spray fuel on this hatered is not in the interest of the USA, as the quarter of the world population is Muslim. I hope this has opened your mind. fox ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Hakan, How come that whenever we talk with and about US, most of the USanians (replaces Americans not the insane -:)) point out that US is the greatest democracy (Greek for ruled by the people) in the world. First, whoever you are talking toSTOP! Those who say that the US is the greatest democracy in the world are not the people you should be listening to. The United States is a republic. We are supposed to elect representatives to make decisions on our behalf. Although democratic, it is not a true democracy where the people have a direct impact on almost every political decision. If you want to study the best example of a true democracy, The US isn't it. That is maybe why I love USanians, because I love children and they can get away with almost anything. Wow. Where do I start? So, you think it's cute when a country with the most powerful army since the Roman Empire can get away with almost anything? What you suggest, is that the one who have the most money can buy the most votes and will be president. Hmmm, in Europe we would call that large scale corruption. You got it! Finally, something that makes sense. Mike Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, How come that whenever we talk with and about US, most of the USanians (replaces Americans not the insane -:)) point out that US is the greatest democracy (Greek for ruled by the people) in the world. Whenever someone criticize US the Usanians are no longer Americans, the country is corpcracy (my invention for ruled by corporations), God is CEO and that someone is guilty of American bashing. Even the President blame God for his decisions and claim that he told him to do it. Reminds me of my childhood and the blame games. LOL It is not my fault, Daddy (God) told me to do it. That is maybe why I love USanians, because I love children and they can get away with almost anything. Sometimes a child must learn the lesson of taking responsibility for what he/she did and it is therefore I am of the opinion that US and nobody else should pay the $ for the Iraq occupation. I feel a bit sorry for the record debts, record trade deficit, record low currency and the almost ruined economy. It is however important that the USanians take the full responsibility for their deeds, especially since they voted for it in the last election. I see no reasons for others to pay for the US adventures, neither in blood nor in money. If they come out good at the end, the lesson was worth while. What you suggest, is that the one who have the most money can buy the most votes and will be president. Hmmm, in Europe we would call that large scale corruption. UN do not accept elections as honest and fair, if anyone buy votes. That is maybe why President Carter said that the US elections would not pass the UN criteria. Hakan At 11:43 PM 2/1/2005, you wrote: Hakan, I don't disagree with most of what you said. In fact, it doesn't necessarily conflict with my earlier email. But, you are assuming that when a country with a two party system, has an election, the two who are nominated, represent the best leaders the country has to offer. That's in a perfect world. Furthermore, there are numerous studies showing that no matter who is running, the winner of the election is the one with the biggest campaign budget. We have a flawed, two party system that caters to big business and has little interest in campaign reform. His stamp of approval as you say, came from corporate America. According to figures supplied by Public Citizen, in only five of 34 United States Senate races in 1996 did the winner spend less than the loser. http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~askin/LEXIS(R).htm By the way, Americans as the Canadians correctly point out, isn't just those living in the United States. my quote Those Americans.! was sarcasm. Mike Hakan Falk wrote: To both Mikes, Before the election, I was inclined to take the argument that Bush did not represent the Americans. When he was first elected, he promised to be a uniter and a lot of more things that have been contrary to his actions during the first term. When he got elected the first time, it was technically by electoral system and the courts, not by a populous majority. Now he was reelected with a comfortable populous and electoral majority and it cannot even be blamed on the electoral system. In a democracy, he now represent the US and the citizens of US, his actions got the stamp of approval from the American people. It was no surprises this time, everybody knew what he stands for. I still agree that some individuals (stateless) cannot be blamed for his victory, but Bush represent all Americans and in a democracy. This is how it works in a democracy. If you are not a citizen of US, you can still claim that Bush and the US, do not represent the Americans. The Canadians and central and south Americans, can with authority say that Bush and US do not represent them. Hakan At 07:19
Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels?
Hey Luc, Thanks once again for the help. Brian - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels? G'day Bran; Being in Calif I think you hitthe jackpot for vintage Benz's. They are not used they are venerable, ha! Try thes forums out, they often have members that come up with delighful offerings. 1) http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/forumdisplay.php3?s=forumid=15 2) http://www.benzworld.org/forums/default.asp Should I ever be fiscally able a stable of fine diesels is in the future :-) a very large maybe there by the by. Luc - Original Message - From: Brian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels? Hey Luc, G'day Brian; Hey all. We have finally arrived at our new home in California. Congrats on a successful move. Maybe now you can set up your reactor eh? Maybe perhaps? Thanks. I am hopeful that I can finally do more than just test batches. We are renting, and our lease says no manufacturing or dangerous chemicals on the property. But, we can rent a fair size storage unit for just $25 per month. It's close to home, and they don't seem to be too concerned with what activities go on there. I'm also planning to look into what's going on at Yokayo Biofuels and another operation about 15 miles away in the town of Hopland. Even if I'm buying rather than making my own, I'll be driving on locally made B100 from now on. Do you have any good leads on mid-80s Mercedes cars? I have the cash available to buy one that would be reasonably priced. It seems that the prices on eBay go quite a bit higher than what I think is appropriate for cars in good condition. I know that there are newsgroups that are much better searching grounds, but am having trouble digging them up at the moment. Brian We are in Ukiah, and there is a business near downtown called Yokayo Biofuels. Wanna learn about your new home ? http://www.cityofukiah.com/ Bet your learn more from living there though. Luc Was just wondering if anyone here is associated with them? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels?
Thanks, I'll take a look. Brian - Original Message - From: Erika Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels? Try craigslist.org for the car. It is free to post all kinds of listings there, and sometimes you can get some really good deals. - Original Message - From: Brian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels? Hey Luc, G'day Brian; Hey all. We have finally arrived at our new home in California. Congrats on a successful move. Maybe now you can set up your reactor eh? Maybe perhaps? Thanks. I am hopeful that I can finally do more than just test batches. We are renting, and our lease says no manufacturing or dangerous chemicals on the property. But, we can rent a fair size storage unit for just $25 per month. It's close to home, and they don't seem to be too concerned with what activities go on there. I'm also planning to look into what's going on at Yokayo Biofuels and another operation about 15 miles away in the town of Hopland. Even if I'm buying rather than making my own, I'll be driving on locally made B100 from now on. Do you have any good leads on mid-80s Mercedes cars? I have the cash available to buy one that would be reasonably priced. It seems that the prices on eBay go quite a bit higher than what I think is appropriate for cars in good condition. I know that there are newsgroups that are much better searching grounds, but am having trouble digging them up at the moment. Brian We are in Ukiah, and there is a business near downtown called Yokayo Biofuels. Wanna learn about your new home ? http://www.cityofukiah.com/ Bet your learn more from living there though. Luc Was just wondering if anyone here is associated with them? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Mis-sent mail
Gustl, Can you send your address or post it again? In the process of moving and all, I still haven't sent the donation that I was planning. Brian - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Mis-sent mail Hallo All, I must apologize to Luc and the list for inadvertantly mailing a private mail to the list concerning his donation amount. I did not notice that the mailing list address was in the reply to: section of his header on the mail. I will be more careful and attentive in the future. Please accept my apology. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst
Dear Iwan, In my opinion, you got soap because significant FFA still present in the CPO. You may either do the following two alternatives: 1. You may remove the free fatty acid in Crude Palm Oil by reacting with NaOH and separate the soap using a centrifuge, do the transesterification reaction and wash the products with warm water to remove glycerol, some methanol and NaOH. You may use physical process of deacidification of CPO, but I don't think it will be suitable for a lab scale experiment as it needs high vacuum and relatively high temperature of operation and off course availability of heating media such as steam or heating oil. You don't need a centrifuge or a vacuum, it's easy to do it at lab scale or bigger. This was one reason I gave Iwan the link to the Biofuels-biz group discussions on high FFA CPO: There was quite a lot of discussion of processing CPO with high FFA content a while ago at the Biofuels-biz list (since closed, its functions taken over by the Biofuel list). The list archives is still available - do a search here for Allen: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ Information Archive at NNYTech Check messages titled High FFA oils and hi ffa feed stocks. One subject that's discussed there is this: Deacidifying WVO http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#deacid Another is acid-base processing of high-FFA CPO, discussions led by Prof Michael Allen working at Prince of Songkla University in Thailand. I will leave it up to you the exact amount of catalysts and methanol . Yes, it works well, once one knows the bit you left out! Not as simple as it looks when FFA levels can be up to 22%. Best wishes Keith 2. You may carry out esterification of Free fatty acid using Acid Catalyst such as H2SO4, followed by Transesterification of triglycerides in CPO using base catalyst. The rest, you may do the usual step by washing the products with warm water and recover methanol using distillation and further purification of your glycerol. We have tried the method in our pilot plant (1.5 tonnes per day) in PUSPITEK Serpong Indonesia, and it works well for the CPO feed stock that characteised by high FFA content. I will leave it up to you the exact amount of catalysts and methanol . Good Luck, Arie Rahmadi Senior Engineer Engineering Center BPPT Indonesia - Original Message - From: Iwan Prawito [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Dear, I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil (CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46) first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value from 46 to 1.3. then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me? Regards, Iwan Prawito ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know the answer -- why do the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's, correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward DESPISING the US? What is the attitide of the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the US to the Arab world? It can't really be about religion ... a horse of many colours... Regards Keith -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Mike, I have gone though this with direct democracies and representative democracies on the list and in detail before. If the country is a democratic monarchy or democratic republic, it does not matter, they are both democracies. The maybe only and closest to direct democracy today, is Switzerland, but they still have a heavy mix between direct and representative. A true direct democracy have not existed since Athens around 2,500 years ago, so it is the only I have studied. Indirect democracies are many and each with its own small variations, at least those I have studied. I have heard Bush, all other presidents and almost all involved in public representation, express the opinion that US is the greatest democracy in the world. To this I might add 80% of the Americans that I encountered. I lived in US for a year and visited around 60 times. When did I say that children necessarily are cute? Most of the children did however not have time to develop their intellect, sense of responsibility and logic reasoning. Among Americans there are probably more exceptions than among children. Yes, it scares me that they are in charge of the most powerful military of today. Unfortunately we do not have any global licensing and permits for countries to have a military force. Hakan At 03:50 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: Hakan, How come that whenever we talk with and about US, most of the USanians (replaces Americans not the insane -:)) point out that US is the greatest democracy (Greek for ruled by the people) in the world. First, whoever you are talking toSTOP! Those who say that the US is the greatest democracy in the world are not the people you should be listening to. The United States is a republic. We are supposed to elect representatives to make decisions on our behalf. Although democratic, it is not a true democracy where the people have a direct impact on almost every political decision. If you want to study the best example of a true democracy, The US isn't it. That is maybe why I love USanians, because I love children and they can get away with almost anything. Wow. Where do I start? So, you think it's cute when a country with the most powerful army since the Roman Empire can get away with almost anything? What you suggest, is that the one who have the most money can buy the most votes and will be president. Hmmm, in Europe we would call that large scale corruption. You got it! Finally, something that makes sense. Mike Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, How come that whenever we talk with and about US, most of the USanians (replaces Americans not the insane -:)) point out that US is the greatest democracy (Greek for ruled by the people) in the world. Whenever someone criticize US the Usanians are no longer Americans, the country is corpcracy (my invention for ruled by corporations), God is CEO and that someone is guilty of American bashing. Even the President blame God for his decisions and claim that he told him to do it. Reminds me of my childhood and the blame games. LOL It is not my fault, Daddy (God) told me to do it. That is maybe why I love USanians, because I love children and they can get away with almost anything. Sometimes a child must learn the lesson of taking responsibility for what he/she did and it is therefore I am of the opinion that US and nobody else should pay the $ for the Iraq occupation. I feel a bit sorry for the record debts, record trade deficit, record low currency and the almost ruined economy. It is however important that the USanians take the full responsibility for their deeds, especially since they voted for it in the last election. I see no reasons for others to pay for the US adventures, neither in blood nor in money. If they come out good at the end, the lesson was worth while. What you suggest, is that the one who have the most money can buy the most votes and will be president. Hmmm, in Europe we would call that large scale corruption. UN do not accept elections as honest and fair, if anyone buy votes. That is maybe why President Carter said that the US elections would not pass the UN criteria. Hakan At 11:43 PM 2/1/2005, you wrote: Hakan, I don't disagree with most of what you said. In fact, it doesn't necessarily conflict with my earlier email. But, you are assuming that when a country with a two party system, has an election, the two who are nominated, represent the best leaders the country has to offer. That's in a perfect world. Furthermore, there are numerous studies showing that no matter who is running, the winner of the election is the one with the biggest campaign budget. We have a flawed, two party system that caters to big business and has little interest in campaign reform. His stamp of approval as you say, came from corporate America. According to figures supplied by Public Citizen, in only five of 34 United States Senate races in 1996 did the winner spend less than the loser.
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
on 2/2/05 7:33 AM, Keith Addison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the attitide of the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the US to the Arab world? Judging from the Crusades (a word you still hear occasionally) I'd say it's hostile but I'm still unclear about the difference -- it seems as monotheists become more fundamentalist, they should become more like one another, and in general, less tolerant of the corruption and materialism of governments. Yet American fundamentalists just can't get ENOUGH of corruption and materialism -- they seem to love it!-K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Hakan, Thank you for spending the time to point toward better examples of democracies than the US. As a dual citizen, I think that Switzerland is an especially good choice. If the country is a democratic monarchy or democratic republic, it does not matter, they are both democracies. Democracies throughout the world vary wildly with how each country defines it. So, I believe that it certainly does matter. We can agree to disagree. Mike Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, I have gone though this with direct democracies and representative democracies on the list and in detail before. If the country is a democratic monarchy or democratic republic, it does not matter, they are both democracies. The maybe only and closest to direct democracy today, is Switzerland, but they still have a heavy mix between direct and representative. A true direct democracy have not existed since Athens around 2,500 years ago, so it is the only I have studied. Indirect democracies are many and each with its own small variations, at least those I have studied. I have heard Bush, all other presidents and almost all involved in public representation, express the opinion that US is the greatest democracy in the world. To this I might add 80% of the Americans that I encountered. I lived in US for a year and visited around 60 times. When did I say that children necessarily are cute? Most of the children did however not have time to develop their intellect, sense of responsibility and logic reasoning. Among Americans there are probably more exceptions than among children. Yes, it scares me that they are in charge of the most powerful military of today. Unfortunately we do not have any global licensing and permits for countries to have a military force. Hakan At 03:50 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: Hakan, How come that whenever we talk with and about US, most of the USanians (replaces Americans not the insane -:)) point out that US is the greatest democracy (Greek for ruled by the people) in the world. First, whoever you are talking toSTOP! Those who say that the US is the greatest democracy in the world are not the people you should be listening to. The United States is a republic. We are supposed to elect representatives to make decisions on our behalf. Although democratic, it is not a true democracy where the people have a direct impact on almost every political decision. If you want to study the best example of a true democracy, The US isn't it. That is maybe why I love USanians, because I love children and they can get away with almost anything. Wow. Where do I start? So, you think it's cute when a country with the most powerful army since the Roman Empire can get away with almost anything? What you suggest, is that the one who have the most money can buy the most votes and will be president. Hmmm, in Europe we would call that large scale corruption. You got it! Finally, something that makes sense. Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, How come that whenever we talk with and about US, most of the USanians (replaces Americans not the insane -:)) point out that US is the greatest democracy (Greek for ruled by the people) in the world. Whenever someone criticize US the Usanians are no longer Americans, the country is corpcracy (my invention for ruled by corporations), God is CEO and that someone is guilty of American bashing. Even the President blame God for his decisions and claim that he told him to do it. Reminds me of my childhood and the blame games. LOL It is not my fault, Daddy (God) told me to do it. That is maybe why I love USanians, because I love children and they can get away with almost anything. Sometimes a child must learn the lesson of taking responsibility for what he/she did and it is therefore I am of the opinion that US and nobody else should pay the $ for the Iraq occupation. I feel a bit sorry for the record debts, record trade deficit, record low currency and the almost ruined economy. It is however important that the USanians take the full responsibility for their deeds, especially since they voted for it in the last election. I see no reasons for others to pay for the US adventures, neither in blood nor in money. If they come out good at the end, the lesson was worth while. What you suggest, is that the one who have the most money can buy the most votes and will be president. Hmmm, in Europe we would call that large scale corruption. UN do not accept elections as honest and fair, if anyone buy votes. That is maybe why President Carter said that the US elections would not pass the UN criteria. Hakan At 11:43 PM 2/1/2005, you wrote: Hakan, I don't disagree with most of what you said. In fact, it doesn't necessarily conflict with my earlier email. But, you are assuming that when a country with a two party system, has an election, the two who are nominated, represent the best leaders the country has to offer. That's in a perfect world.
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Mike, I insist that how the countries define the democracies are not that important, it is how they practise democracy that really matters. My suggestion to introduce corpcracy as a definition was done as a joke, but when I think more on it, it is not a dumb idea. A very good example on a corpcracy (ruled by the corporations) would the be US . LOL UK is a good example of an old representative democracy that is monarchy, there are many such examples. UK and many with them does not have a constitution, something that goes beyond the US imagination. Even if Jeb Bush insulted the Spanish people when he visited, by calling Spain a republic, it is today a quite good example of democratic monarchy. Hakan At 05:53 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: Hakan, Thank you for spending the time to point toward better examples of democracies than the US. As a dual citizen, I think that Switzerland is an especially good choice. If the country is a democratic monarchy or democratic republic, it does not matter, they are both democracies. Democracies throughout the world vary wildly with how each country defines it. So, I believe that it certainly does matter. We can agree to disagree. Mike Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, I have gone though this with direct democracies and representative democracies on the list and in detail before. If the country is a democratic monarchy or democratic republic, it does not matter, they are both democracies. The maybe only and closest to direct democracy today, is Switzerland, but they still have a heavy mix between direct and representative. A true direct democracy have not existed since Athens around 2,500 years ago, so it is the only I have studied. Indirect democracies are many and each with its own small variations, at least those I have studied. I have heard Bush, all other presidents and almost all involved in public representation, express the opinion that US is the greatest democracy in the world. To this I might add 80% of the Americans that I encountered. I lived in US for a year and visited around 60 times. When did I say that children necessarily are cute? Most of the children did however not have time to develop their intellect, sense of responsibility and logic reasoning. Among Americans there are probably more exceptions than among children. Yes, it scares me that they are in charge of the most powerful military of today. Unfortunately we do not have any global licensing and permits for countries to have a military force. Hakan At 03:50 PM 2/2/2005, you wrote: Hakan, How come that whenever we talk with and about US, most of the USanians (replaces Americans not the insane -:)) point out that US is the greatest democracy (Greek for ruled by the people) in the world. First, whoever you are talking toSTOP! Those who say that the US is the greatest democracy in the world are not the people you should be listening to. The United States is a republic. We are supposed to elect representatives to make decisions on our behalf. Although democratic, it is not a true democracy where the people have a direct impact on almost every political decision. If you want to study the best example of a true democracy, The US isn't it. That is maybe why I love USanians, because I love children and they can get away with almost anything. Wow. Where do I start? So, you think it's cute when a country with the most powerful army since the Roman Empire can get away with almost anything? What you suggest, is that the one who have the most money can buy the most votes and will be president. Hmmm, in Europe we would call that large scale corruption. You got it! Finally, something that makes sense. Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, How come that whenever we talk with and about US, most of the USanians (replaces Americans not the insane -:)) point out that US is the greatest democracy (Greek for ruled by the people) in the world. Whenever someone criticize US the Usanians are no longer Americans, the country is corpcracy (my invention for ruled by corporations), God is CEO and that someone is guilty of American bashing. Even the President blame God for his decisions and claim that he told him to do it. Reminds me of my childhood and the blame games. LOL It is not my fault, Daddy (God) told me to do it. That is maybe why I love USanians, because I love children and they can get away with almost anything. Sometimes a child must learn the lesson of taking responsibility for what he/she did and it is therefore I am of the opinion that US and nobody else should pay the $ for the Iraq occupation. I feel a bit sorry for the record debts, record trade deficit, record low currency and the almost ruined economy. It is however important that the USanians take the full responsibility for their deeds, especially since they voted for it in the last election. I see no reasons for others to pay for the US adventures, neither in blood nor in money. If they come out
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
- Message - G'day JD: Have you read through the material at the JtF site ? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Those questions snd more are all answered there. Luc Hi; I looked at this when I read your first posting about two minutes ago. It look prema faci like a very thorough and usefull document. Enlarging on my previous posting... which was by no means an expert one of any kind.I merely seem to recall reading somewhere I think it was at http://www.smartveg.com/ forum well worth a visit anyhow that wvo had an higher acid content than svo or even derv.The older the oil the more acidic it becomes.Also, wvo has water and impurities in it that would not make it an ideal replacement for svo in a dual tank scheme for example... JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
Hi, I just read this more thoroughly. I think if you've got a particuarly sticky batch of wvo you might try passing a current through it. This would alter the orp of any mollecules in there and therby the PH of the whole thing. As a catalyst, I think you'll find that this is the very fastest. All you need is PP9 cell and at least one platinum electrode. JD2005 - Original Message - G'day JD: Have you read through the material at the JtF site ? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Those questions snd more are all answered there. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] World Energy and Dow Chemical Sign Biodiesel Production Agreement
(It is my understanding, but I may be mistaken, that World Energy, who evidently controls around 75% of the US biodiesel market, is owned by Gulf Oil) World Energy and Dow Chemical Sign Biodiesel Production Agreement World Energy and Dow Haltermann Custom Processing (DHCP) have joined into a production agreement that should enhance World Energyâs Biodiesel production and distribution capabilities and DHCPâs - a Dow business unit comprised of operations within The Dow Chemical Co. and Johann Haltermann, Ltd. -· DHCP will produce biodiesel at its Houston location exclusively for World Energy in North America, sourcing the raw materials and production to World Energyâs specifications. ãWe are very enthusiastic about our collaboration with Dow,ä said Gene Gebolys, founder and president of World Energy. ãDowâs global reputation for manufacturing excellence coupled with our rigorous attention to high-quality biodiesel production results in a win for both companies, as well as for consumers and the environment,ä he said. ãManufacturing Biodiesel for World Energy is yet another example of how Dow is using its capabilities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and improve energy efficiency through a variety of means, including the advancement of alternative forms of energy, ranging from fuel cell technology to renewable feedstocks,ä said Simon Upfill-Brown, general manager of Dow Haltermann Custom Processing. ãWe are, therefore, pleased to leverage the operations expertise of our custom processing division to provide World Energ with the world-class production necessary to enable the continued growth of the biodiesel market,ä he said. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
