Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Michele Stephenson]

Thank you Doug & Darryl for all of the energy and dedication to keep things 
going.

After all the years of reading and lurking, this year i will start practicing 
wvo to biofuel. I have Kieth's book and the archives to go by so i feel 
confident. However, i will miss the world-wide connection to like-minded folks. 

I wish everyone the best. 

M 

> On Apr 17, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Doug Younker  wrote:
> 
> I guess I'm sorta left, in more ways than one,depending who is talking about 
> me. I admit I don't devote a lot of time to the email list Hover I'll will 
> follow the group/list to wherever it migrates too, if it migrates at all.  
> All good things come to on end that is particularity true of thing that are 
> of low or now cost to the ultimate consumer, I can't complain. I don't know 
> to what degree they would be valuable will the archives be saved somehow?. In 
> the event they could be compiled into file that's usable I would me more than 
> happy to put such fa file in my peer to peer folder where the file would be 
> support by BitTorrent distribution.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Doug
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Okay, This time I really am going to take down the list, , , , but first, please read

[Michele Stephenson]

Chipper, if you are getting back into IT, this is a wonderful welcome back 
project. I am very interested in having small farms in my region (HoustonTX 
area) do this program in order to maximize harvest and send overstock into 
local community.

And yes, i would love for this site to continue if you are up to it. It would 
be much appreciated. Thank you.

Michele

> On Mar 16, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Chip Mefford  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Good day all of you who are left, 
> 
> I really want to thank everyone who has sent their 
> thoughts on taking the list down. There have been 
> some, , no, not some, all, great stories. 
> 
> Before I take the list down, , 
> I was wondering how many of you are still interested in keeping
> something like this going. 
> 
> reason I ask is that I am becoming involved in a 
> new software project that I find very exciting, and
> hence have chosen to do the work to update my 
> respective servers, including the mailing list server. 
> 
> Kind of a pain in the neck, I went through a life-change
> over the last 6 years, and walking away from all things
> IT was part of that. Since I had many dangling obligations
> (being a denizen of the internet) I tapered it all down
> to where about the only thing I was responsible for was
> this mailing list. However, that particular attempt
> at resolving some things in my life by not doing 
> systems administration have cropped back up again, 
> so that wasn't the fix for which I had hoped. 
> 
> So, it doesn't make sense really to abandon all those
> skills I had developed, even though I am moving into 
> my dotage, (heh) but rather to double down and dive back
> in. 
> 
> The project of which I speak is FarmOS
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOqg5iH6fM
> 
> Take a look, give me some feedback, if there is interest, 
> I'll migrate some or all of this list into a new
> community.
> 
> Thanks kindly for your attention in this matter;
> 
> --chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Happy Solstice all, Taking the list down.

[Michele Stephenson]

Happy Solstice!

Thank you Chipper for all your efforts these past few years. I have learned so 
much from being a part of this crowd.

May 2017 be a wonderful year for everyone. 

Michele 

> On Dec 22, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Chip Mefford  wrote:
> 
> It has been many years now since Keith passed. 
> 
> As things stand, Darryl is about the only traffic posted here
> and even that is echoing (admittedly interesting) stuff 
> posted elsewhere. 
> 
> If anyone is interested, I can and am willing to provide the subscriber's
> list if anyone wishes to continue this work.
> 
> As things stand, this mailing list is the only mailing list left on
> my mailman server that gets any traffic at all, and the spam to post
> ratio is about 70:1 (intercepted). 
> 
> As of 20170101, the list will shut down.
> 
> The archives will of course remain in place until such a time as
> those responsible for them decide to take some other action.
> 
> Please take these few days to make your farewells.
> 
> So long
> and thanks for everything.
> 
> your list-admin
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Re: [Biofuel] Faced With Land Seizures, Defiant Nebraskans Vow to Halt Keystone XL | Common Dreams | Breaking News Views for the Progressive Community

[Michele Stephenson]

[private lands cannot be seized without compensation]

[compensation is only market value (if even that). It does not take into 
account family farm legacy, the necessity for clean water (as mentioned below), 
or any nostalgia or memories] 

 TransCanada's use of the unconstitutional and void eminent domain law, 
 which gives the government the right to seize private lands for public use 
 without compensation, is another bullying move by the foreign corporation 
 that swears they are going to be a good neighbor, said Jim Tarnick, one of 
 the landowners who joined in the suit.

Michele

 On Jan 21, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote:
 
 http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/01/20/faced-land-seizures-defiant-nebraskans-vow-halt-keystone-xl
 
 Published on Tuesday, January 20, 2015
 by Common Dreams
 Faced With Land Seizures, Defiant Nebraskans Vow to Halt Keystone XL
 
 'Our land is not for sale and we will keep fighting TransCanada until we see 
 their tail lights go back across our border.'
 by Nadia Prupis, staff writer
 
 As Canadian energy company TransCanada filed eminent domain claims against 
 Nebraska landowners on Tuesday for the construction of the controversial 
 Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, families whose properties are on the verge of 
 forced seizure say they will do whatever is necessary to shut down the 
 project.
 
 Landowners from Nebraska's York and Holt counties last week filed suit 
 against TransCanada to stall or even stop construction of the Keystone XL 
 pipeline through their state. On Tuesday, they continued to call on President 
 Barack Obama to veto the project altogether.
 
 Today, Nebraska families are facing an inconceivable moment when land that 
 has been in their hands for generations is being taken away from them by a 
 foreign oil company, Bold Nebraska director Jane Kleeb stated in a press 
 release. Landowners will match TransCanada’s lawsuits in local courts and 
 continue to take our fight to the one person who can put an end to all of 
 this: President Obama.
 
 Obama has promised to veto legislation that would force the approval of the 
 Keystone XL pipeline; Senate Republicans have vowed to get the pipeline 
 approved as one of their first acts of 2015.
 
 TransCanada's use of the unconstitutional and void eminent domain law, 
 which gives the government the right to seize private lands for public use 
 without compensation, is another bullying move by the foreign corporation 
 that swears they are going to be a good neighbor, said Jim Tarnick, one of 
 the landowners who joined in the suit.
 
 From the Kalamazoo to the Yellowstone rivers and all across the United 
 States, tar sands are a horrible danger and threat that the President must 
 reject, Tarnick added.
 
 Bold Nebraska noted that public support for the Keystone XL pipeline has 
 waned over time, with only 41 percent approving of the project in a recent 
 poll.
 
 Yet while landowners, the president, and the public at large continue to 
 speak out against the pipeline, former Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman, who 
 approved Keystone construction in the state, abus[ed] the powers of his 
 office by taking authority away from the people of Nebraska and giving it to 
 himself to approve a pipeline and give a foreign corporation the power of 
 eminent domain before they have all their permits in place, the lawsuit 
 states.
 
 While we fight to ensure TransCanada and the state of Nebraska do not run 
 roughshod over farmers and ranchers, we also call upon President Obama to 
 reject Keystone XL now, Kleeb said last week.
 
 Meghan Hammond, a landowner whose clean energy project would have to be torn 
 down for the construction of the pipeline, stated on Tuesday: We can not 
 survive as a family business without clean water. Our government has no 
 solution to clean up tar sands and benzene from our water. Our land is not 
 for sale and we will keep fighting TransCanada until we see their tail lights 
 go back across our border.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol as a motor fuel

[Michele Stephenson]

Have you looked on drag racing forums about methanol for race fuel?  And they 
discuss the effects on the motor and modifications required. 

Michele

 On Nov 27, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Darryl McMahon dar...@econogics.com wrote:
 
 Has anyone read Beyond Oil and Gas:  The Methanol Economy?
 
 http://www.technologyreview.com/news/405436/the-methanol-economy/
 
 http://www.amazon.ca/Beyond-Oil-Gas-Methanol-Economy/dp/3527324224
 
 If so, any thoughts about the book or subject matter?
 
 Darryl
 
 On 27/11/2014 12:55 PM, John Jaser wrote:
 Tom:
 
 
 Thanks for the abundant knowledge in your post.  I am most certainly not a 
 chemist, but have always considered liquid methanol a very  interesting 
 candidate for energy storage.  Since it can be made from a variety of 
 renewable and non renewable means (wood, coal, biogas, etc) it seems like an 
 easier economic target to produce than pure hydrogen.  Transprots and pumps 
 well, compared to what would be needed for compressed hydrogen gas.  What to 
 do with it once you make it?  The indirect methanol fuel cell, if developed 
 further looks promising.
 
 
 Thanks again for the conversation!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Tom
 Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎26‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎33‎ ‎PM
 To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
 
 
 
 
 
 Aaah, methane is intriguing.
 Biogas is a metabolic product of one of the most ancient life forms, the 
 methanocreatrices. Anaerobic chemoautotrophic bacteria so different from 
 others that many would assign them to their own kingdom.
   As to methane being easily transported consider  where propane and 
 natural gas can be compressed to liquids, greatly increasing energy density, 
 methane resists liquefaction, requiring tremendous pressure. This seems to 
 be the fly in the ointment. Unliquefied, a tankful of methane doesn't go 
 far.
Methane has value as a renewable fuel.
 It is captured and used at waste treatment
 plants to generate electricity. Methane is currently being captured at 
 landfills and used to generate electricity. I know of a dairy farm that 
 harvests methane from the manure the cows produce. They use the methane to 
 generate electricity. The heat from the generators heats the water used to 
 sanitize the milking area. They don't use the methane in their cars or farm 
 machinery however.
   Relatively safe.Hmmm
   Methane is a potent greenhouse gas. Ocean burps from vast storehouses of 
 methyl hydrates/clathrates have been credited with contributing 
 significantly to the end of the last ice age. The release of methane from 
 thawing peat bogs is a part of the cascade of events that is accelerating 
 global warming. Gasoline was once considered a waste product of oil 
 refining, dumped into rivers. When it was pointed out that it could replace 
 ethanol as fuel for internal combustion engines the waste became valuable.
 Imagine what might happen if methane gas presented the same financial 
 opportunities by its use as vehicle fuel
  a renewable fuel. Do we dare the oil giants to tap the vast stores of 
 methane currently trapped safely under the ocean? It's already being 
 proposed. They can do it safely, right? Have you seen the data about leakage 
 from pipelines compressed gases seem to find their way out. Not so good in 
 the case of methane.
   Capturing methane at its source and using it close to where it's produced 
 to generate electricity seems appropriate.
Sorry to carry on, but you did say methane was intriguing.
 Best,
   Tom
 
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Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.

[Michele Stephenson]

thank you Chipper.  :-)

Michele

 On Nov 20, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote:
 
 
 
 Well, 
 
 I gotta admit, I've gotten a huge response to my query, and honestly I wasn't 
 expecting it.
 Aside from the responses you've all perhaps read, I've received many off-list 
 as well. 
 
 Okay, we'll leave it up.
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Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.

[Michele Stephenson]

Chip, I like this list as well. I read/skim all posts. I live in a very pro 
oil/gas area and I like being informed enough to provide decent debate on 
issues.

Your efforts are certainly appreciated.

Michele

 On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:25 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote:
 
 Good day all;
 
 As of this morning, there are 456 subscribers to this list. 
 
 The recent news of Keith's passing come as sad news to us all and we saw a 
 tiny 
 uptick in traffic over those few days. Since then, we're back to some updates
 on issues that many of us find interesting by Darryl, and not much else. 
 
 So, I need to hear from you, as in a *lot* of you if you want to see this 
 list continue. 
 
 The archives are in place, and as of right now, it's the intention to keep 
 them in
 place, but I'm uncertain that this list is really serving any further 
 purpose. 
 
 Keith and I have discussed this very issue many times over the last 5 or so 
 years.
 I offered to host the list in order to keep it going a few years back. But now
 that we are no longer blessed with Keith's insights, well, I'm not sure
 this list is really relevant. 
 
 So, please respond to this posting with your thoughts. I'll need to hear from
 a lot of you. 
 
 --chipper
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Re: [Biofuel] Welcome to the Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list

[Michele Stephenson]

Received in Texas

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Re: [Biofuel] Join the Blockade of the Keystone Pipeline

[Michele Stephenson]

Eminent domain cannot take more land than is required for the corridor.

I don't know the geographical distribution of the farm purchases along the 
proposed line, but it could be TranCanada is buying farms for pipe yards or 
some other future use.  It could also be that the corridor just eats up too 
much of the property and effectively makes it useless, but that is usually on 
smaller lots. 

This pipeline will be built.  Activists approach these projects from an 
environmental perspective of post-construction which in this case and IMHO is 
not the most productive.  The activists should be out there recording the 
construction at creek crossings and river crossings and through wetlands. The 
environmental inspectors are third party hired and paid for by the operating 
company to monitor the construction company.  These inspectors don't rock the 
boat so much that construction schedule is affected.  They are also very 
understaffed.  Violation of federal standards slow/shut these jobs down. 

And if they actually had footage of how the contractor slings those pipe 
strings around the public would be horrified.

I could tell you some stories...

Michele

On Oct 17, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I always felt that the reason the Keystone Pipeline wanted to seize entire 
 farms instead of just getting a right of way through the farm is to cover 
 their tail when the pipeline leaks and has spills. If you have a right of 
 way, the farmer has the basis for a law suit. However, if you had seize the 
 farm and you own it, you don't have to worry about getting sued and Keystone 
 isn't going to sue themselves.
 
 Jeff
 
 
 
 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3:24 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Join the Blockade of the Keystone Pipeline
 
 Much at Stake as Possibility of Tar Sands Pipeline Looms
 Pumping diluted bitumen to Portland presents the risk of a major 
 spill tainting Sebago Lake or Casco Bay
 Published on Monday, October 15, 2012 by the Portland Press Herald (Maine)
 http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/15-8
 
 Fresh Recruits, More Arrests Begin Week Four in Texas Tar Sands Blockade
 Monday, 15 October 2012 12:23
 http://truth-out.org/news/item/12121-fresh-recruits-more-arrests-begin-week-four-in-texas-tar-sands-blockade
 
 --0--
 
 http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12112-join-the-blockade-of-the-keystone-pipeline
 
 Join the Blockade of the Keystone Pipeline
 
 Monday, 15 October 2012 10:11
 
 By Chris Hedges, Truthdig | Op-Ed
 
 The next great battle of the Occupy movement may not take place in 
 city parks and plazas, where the security and surveillance state is 
 blocking protesters from setting up urban encampments. Instead it 
 could arise in the nation's heartland, where some ranchers, farmers 
 and enraged citizens, often after seeing their land seized by eminent 
 domain and their water supplies placed under mortal threat, have 
 united with Occupiers and activists to oppose the building of the 
 Keystone XL tar sand pipeline. They have formed an unusual coalition 
 called Tar Sands Blockade (TSB). Centers of resistance being set up 
 in Texas and Oklahoma and on tribal lands along the proposed route of 
 this six-state, 1,700-mile proposed pipeline are fast becoming 
 flashpoints in the war of attrition we have begun against the 
 corporate state. Join them.
 
 The XL pipeline, which would cost $7 billion and whose southern 
 portion is under construction and slated for completion next year, is 
 the most potent symbol of the dying order. If completed, it will pump 
 1.1 million barrels a day of unrefined tar sand fluid from tar sand 
 mine fields in Canada to the Texas Gulf Coast. Tar sand oil is not 
 conventional crude oil. It is a synthetic slurry that, because tar 
 sand oil is solid in its natural state, must be laced with a deadly 
 brew of toxic chemicals and gas condensates to get it to flow. Tar 
 sands are boiled and diluted with these chemicals before being 
 blasted down a pipeline at high pressure. Water sources would be 
 instantly contaminated if there was a rupture. The pipeline would 
 cross nearly 2,000 U.S. waterways, including the Ogallala Aquifer, 
 source of one-third of the United States' farmland irrigation water. 
 And it is not a matter of if, but when, it would spill. TransCanada's 
 Keystone I pipeline, built in 2010, leaked 12 times in its first 12 
 months of operation. Because the extraction process emits such a 
 large quantity of greenhouse gases, the pipeline has been called the 
 fuse to the largest carbon bomb on the planet. The climate scientist 
 James Hansen warns that successful completion of the pipeline, along 
 with the exploitation of Canadian tar sands it would facilitate, 
 would mean game over for the climate.
 
 Keystone XL is part of the final phase of extreme exploitation by the 
 corporate state. The corporations intend to 

Re: [Biofuel] Dear all...

[Michele Stephenson]

Dito...

Michele

On Oct 13, 2012, at 6:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Keith, how much do you need to keep it going?
 
 Do you plan to continue the archives/database? (is this also 
 threaatened?)
 
 Doug Woodard
 St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
 
 
 
 On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:26:41 +0200, Keith Addison 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's October, the list is going to run out of time soon and the host
 service will close it down. I'm not sure of the exact date, but
 suddenly the music will stop.
 
 The new community I mentioned previously is still some way down the
 road, but it will eventually happen. When it does, you'll be hearing
 from me.
 
 Meanwhile, the list will stop, but I won't. I'll keep harvesting the
 news, I do it anyway.
 
 If any list members would like to keep receiving these daily
 snippets, I don't mind sending them direct. Please let me know -
 offlist please.
 
 All best, and a very big thanks for everything, over the years. This
 list has taught me so much (deep bow).
 
 Regards to all.
 
 Keith
 
 
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[Biofuel] A Path Is Sought for States to Escape Their Debt Burdens (NYTimes)

[Michele Stephenson]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/business/economy/21bankruptcy.html?_r=1   
  
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[Biofuel] Alabama Town's Failed Pension is a Warning (NYT-article)

[Michele Stephenson]

 
For those of you who live in the US an article of interest... For those who 
live outside looking in, it's no big surprise
 
Private Company and Industry pensions plans have all but gone away.  The 
substitute is the 401K that no one is really responsible for except the 
investor to make the best choice for Self.  However, for those who work for 
local and state govt agencies this is something to watch and investigate 
especially if you are currently receiving a pension or will receive a pension 
in the next years to come.
 
What is as important if not more important to watch is how these issues will be 
resolved.  In the article below, if the judicial system does not get involved, 
then mediation is an option which usually results in a cut in benefits.  I 
doubt for those struggling funds one mediation is all it will take.  Mediation 
could possibly take place with every local and state legislative session 
resulting in a cut every time.
 
For those funds that do get processed in the court system it will likely go to 
the respective State Supreme Court and ultimately the US Supreme Court.  If 
localities are legitimately declared bankrupt and no longer required to pay 
pensions it is the federal govt's responsibility to do so.  In effect, we all 
pay for lack of managment and corruption in Anywhere, USA.  And once this 
precedent is established there will be a landslide of 'toxic' pensions to be 
dealt with (or not).
 
It is the future.  If you don't think so, Iceland is bankrupt from investing in 
bonds that were rated as A by unscrupulous wall street fund managers/business 
men/swindlers when they should have been rated as Junk level.  Greece is 
bankrupt. Ireland is bankrupt. Portugal is bankrupt. Spain will possibly be 
bankrupt by this time next year.  And the US's current financial situation, if 
scrutinized by the IMF credit rating system used on these same bankrupt 
countries, is on the verge of changing to riskier interest rates based on our 
debt and GDP and other indicators (just like the above countries with exception 
of Iceland).  What do all these countries have in common?  They are followed 
the same financial paradigm:  loans/debt to stimulate economy.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40793765/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/
 
Full Text below:
 

PRICHARD, Ala. — This struggling small city on the outskirts of Mobile was 
warned for years that if it did nothing, its pension fund would run out of 
money by 2009. Right on schedule, its fund ran dry. 
 
Then Prichard did something that pension experts say they have never seen 
before: it stopped sending monthly pension checks to its 150 retired workers, 
breaking a state law requiring it to pay its promised retirement benefits in 
full. 
 
Since then, Nettie Banks, 68, a retired Prichard police and fire dispatcher, 
has filed for bankruptcy. Alfred Arnold, a 66-year-old retired fire captain, 
has gone back to work as a shopping mall security guard to try to keep his 
house. Eddie Ragland, 59, a retired police captain, accepted help from 
colleagues, bake sales and collection jars after he was shot by a robber, 
leaving him badly wounded and unable to get to his new job as a police officer 
at the regional airport. 
 
Far worse was the retired fire marshal who died in June. Like many of the 
others, he was too young to collect Social Security. 
 
“When they found him, he had no electricity and no running water in his house,” 
said David Anders, 58, a retired district fire chief. “He was a proud enough 
man that he wouldn’t accept help.” 
 
The situation in Prichard is extremely unusual — the city has sought bankruptcy 
protection twice — but it proves that the unthinkable can, in fact, sometimes 
happen. 
 
And it stands as a warning to cities like Philadelphia and states like 
Illinois, whose pension funds are under great strain: if nothing changes, the 
money eventually does run out, and when that happens, misery and turmoil 
follow. 
 
More U.S. news More retirees moving in with their children 
As retirement investments erode during the economic crisis, the number of 
multigenerational family households has been growing — returning to a trend 
from half a century ago. Full story 
 
It is not just the pensioners who suffer when a pension fund runs dry. If a 
city tried to follow the law and pay its pensioners with money from its annual 
operating budget, it would probably have to adopt large tax increases, or make 
huge service cuts, to come up with the money. 
 
'Prichard is the future' 
Current city workers could find themselves paying into a pension plan that will 
not be there for their own retirements. In Prichard, some older workers have 
delayed retiring, since they cannot afford to give up their paychecks if no 
pension checks will follow. 
 
So the declining, little-known city of Prichard is now attracting the attention 
of bankruptcy lawyers, labor leaders, municipal credit analysts and local 
officials from across the country. 
 

Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question

[Michele Stephenson]

i have a 24valve and it is not recommended using wvo due to the injector 
pump (bosch vp44) being cooled by the excess fuel.  so biodiesel is my only 
option.
the 12valve's injector pump is cooled by the oil so wvo and bio- is o.k. to 
use.

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question


 I'd heard there was an issue with a newer pump - I'm pretty sure a
 google search would turn it up...the older ones all seem to be fine.

 JAMES PHELPS wrote:

WOW!!

That is really cool. Say Jon Testor is going to be here Sunday, I am going
to meet him.  I am so disgusted with the Republican Campaign its just
getting creepy.

Jim


- Original Message - 
From: PAUL MILLER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question


Jim:  My 12 valve has been running B-100 for almost a year with no bad
results other than temperature problems.  If you want to know how well a 
5.9
litre can run, a friend of mine in Denver runs a 5.9 drag rail.  Check it
out at http://www.cumminsracing.com/http://www.cumminsracing.com/  .
Question is:  how much power can one get from a 5.9 litre?  ans:  about
800+hp .

Paul
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question



  Couldn't tell you with WVO but The older models designed for the old 
 style
  fuel seem to love it. The University of Idaho used this engine in all
their
  testing as well.

  On the subject of the newer ones, I hear they will do fine to as long as
the
  fuel is filtered to specifications and viscosity is good. that means 
 good
  biodiesel. Any one?


  - Original Message - 
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  Subject: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question


   How well do the Cummins engines used by Dodge work with bio-diesel 
WVO?
   Also, any word from Europe on how the smaller Dodge diesels used over
   there
   are running on it?
  
   Jim
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Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

[Michele Stephenson]

yes, i'm interested in hypnosis... interested in dispelling misconceptions 
and learning more about what's inside.

thanks


From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:31:32 -0800 (PST)

I have discovered hypnosis.
   I am extremely enthusiastic about it.
   And yes - western mental health is about getting zombied out. Did you 
know all those shooters such as Columbine were prozac kiddies? Press didnt 
say much about that fact - not pc. The press also doesnt talk about the 
prozac suicide rate in the first 2 months of medicating.
   If you want info on hypnosis let me know

   Kirk


Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Recently, I've found myself unable to concentrate, depressed, having
trouble sleeping, being unmotivated, constantly being angry. I'm
sure that if I went to see a doctor about this, he or she could
prescribe something to try to help. This is civilized society's
response to this condition. Go talk to a psychiatrist and we'll drug
you up to make you forget about it. And I'm not denying that many
people with depression do have chemical imbalances. But, I actually
know what causes me to feel this way -- my dead end office job which
pays me crap, has no flexibility, in a place with no natural light,
and no plants (actually, my two desk plants died, and I feel like I'm
on the way out next). A few days off, in the mountains (where I don't
even have a flush toilet, oh the horror), and I feel like a real
person again. Till Monday when I have to drag myself back to the
office. Civilized society sees my job as perfectly normal, and thus
cannot solve the root of the problem. However, they can drug me up to
make me accept it -- and yes, I know alot of people who have done
exactly this. And many more who self medicate with non-prescription
drugs such as alchohol, marijuana, etc... I know how to stay healthy
-- but I have to be willing to buck societal norms in order to do it.

I'm quitting the job on Friday. Not exactly sure what's next but
it'll be something more in balance with being a human instead of a
robot.



On 2/28/06, Garth  Kim Travis wrote:
  Greetings,
  Then answer the question: how many people do you know that don't take
  drugs, daily?
 
  I have been in the US for 13 years and have yet to find a doctor that 
knows
  anything about diet. And no, not just rural doctors. If the doctors are
  so great, then why is our health care so bad? Sorry, but it is not
  horseshit, I talk to people constantly all over the US on the internet 
that
  have no idea how to get healthy, because their doctors don't know. I
  assume there are some that do bother to learn, but it is not part of the
  medical school teaching.
 
  Bright Blessings,
  Kim
 
  At 08:49 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
  Garth  Kim Travis wrote:
Doctors in this country tell
people that what they eat makes no difference to their health.
Diabetics are told that sugar intake has nothing to do with diabetes.
  
  Kim, I don't mean to be harsh, but that is utter and complete horseshit.
  
  My sister and her husband, both internists, counsel patients on diet,
  heart disease and diabetes every single day. Nor are they some wierdos
  outside the mainstream for doing so.
  
  Here is the AMA clinical road map for *dietary* management of adult 
obesity.
  
  http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/433/booklet4-1.pdf
  
  Here are the ADA clinical practice guidelines for 2006:
  
  http://www.diabetes.org/for-health-professionals-and-scientists/cpr.jsp
  
  Maybe the white haired country docs in rural Texas are ignorant of
  current practice recommendations, but I find your sweeping
  generalization to be overly broad.
  
  jh
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court

[Michele Stephenson]

Zeke,

congrats on the courage.  i did this myself almost three years ago.  i had a 
job at which i could have retired at 50, but was miserable.  i felt myself 
changing for the worse.  my attitude was dark and cynical and i felt trapped 
asking always, is this all there is?!.  i justified my days by saying, 
when i retire i'll be able to all the things i ever wanted.  i was alive, 
but not living so i walked.  i took a year off completely, went to grad 
school, and gained perspective.  2.5 years later i started back to work.  i 
moved to small town in the hill country of Texas (i call it the Mayberry of 
the hill country).  i walk to work, don't have to lock my doors, started my 
veggie car project and many other projects.

i am happy for your soul and your way will become apparent once you have 
purged.
good luck and do something you like and enjoy everyday.  tomorrow isn't 
promised.

michele


From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:33:05 +0900

Hello Zeke

Sympathies.

 Recently, I've found myself unable to concentrate, depressed, having
 trouble sleeping, being  unmotivated, constantly being angry.   I'm
 sure that if I went to see a doctor about this, he or she could
 prescribe something to try to help.  This is civilized society's
 response to this condition.  Go talk to a psychiatrist and we'll drug
 you up to make you forget about it.  And I'm not denying that many
 people with depression do have chemical imbalances.  But, I actually
 know what causes me to feel this way -- my dead end office job which
 pays me crap, has no flexibility, in a place with no natural light,
 and no plants (actually, my two desk plants died, and I feel like I'm
 on the way out next).  A few days off, in the mountains (where I don't
 even have a flush toilet, oh the horror), and I feel like a real
 person again.  Till Monday when I have to drag myself back to the
 office.  Civilized society sees my job as perfectly normal, and thus
 cannot solve the root of the problem.  However, they can drug me up to
 make me accept it -- and yes, I know alot of people who have done
 exactly this.  And many more who self medicate with non-prescription
 drugs such as alchohol, marijuana, etc...  I know how to stay healthy
 -- but I have to be willing to buck societal norms in order to do it.
 
 I'm quitting the job on Friday.  Not exactly sure what's next  but
 it'll be something more in balance with being a human instead of a
 robot.

You just have to be making the right move, no matter what comes of
it. Stick to your guns and I'm sure you'll never regret it. It's not
just an article of faith that there has to be a way forward for a
sane human making a sane and human decision about how to live their
life in a sane and human way.

Best of good fortune to you Zeke.

Regards

Keith



 On 2/28/06, Garth  Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Greetings,
   Then answer the question: how many people do you know that don't take
   drugs, daily?
  
   I have been in the US for 13 years and have yet to find a doctor that 
knows
   anything about diet.  And no, not just rural doctors.  If the doctors 
are
   so great, then why is our health care so bad?  Sorry, but it is not
   horseshit, I talk to people constantly all over the US on the internet 
that
   have no idea how to get healthy, because their doctors don't know.  I
   assume there are some that do bother to learn, but it is not part of 
the
   medical school teaching.
  
   Bright Blessings,
   Kim
  
   At 08:49 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote:
   Garth  Kim Travis wrote:
 Doctors in this country tell
 people that what they eat makes no difference to their health.
 Diabetics are told that sugar intake has nothing to do with 
diabetes.
   
   Kim, I don't mean to be harsh, but that is utter and complete 
horseshit.
   
   My sister and her husband, both internists, counsel patients on diet,
   heart disease and diabetes every single day. Nor are they some wierdos
   outside the mainstream for doing so.
   
   Here is the AMA clinical road map for *dietary* management of
 adult obesity.
   
   http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/433/booklet4-1.pdf
   
   Here are the ADA clinical practice guidelines for 2006:
   
   
 http://www.diabetes.org/for-health-professionals-and-scientists/cpr.jsp
   
   Maybe the white haired country docs in rural Texas are ignorant of
   current practice recommendations, but I find your sweeping
   generalization to be overly broad.
   
   jh


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[Biofuel] diesel pump for wvo

[Michele Stephenson]

i have an extra lift pump from my cummins and want to use it to pump out 
veggie oil from the tanks behind the rest.  my questions are:

the pump is a carter.  will it work w/ wvo?

if so, should i take the screen out or leave it in?

my goal is to drive up and deposit the hose at the respective ends and plug 
the pump into the the power outlet.

thanks in advance.  i have learned more than i ever hoped from this forum.

mstephenson

'78 vw rabbit diesel n/a - soon to be veggie
'99 dodge diesel - soon to be B-X



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Re: [Biofuel] Looking for still materials in Houston, TX

[Michele Stephenson]

if it were me and wholesale was my only answer i would find a plumber or 
similar trade and give him some extra $ to order it for me., but that 's 
just me.

cool site.  thanks for contributing since am about 6 months from 
constructing mine also.

michele


From: Mark Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Biofuel] Looking for still materials in Houston, TX
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:38:01 -0600

I am looking for materials for constructing an ethanol still out of copper
pipe and fittings like the one shown below:
http://www.moonshine-still.com/

materials list is here, the second one down on the page: Internal Reflux
Still:
http://www.moonshine-still.com/Appendix%201.htm

any ideas where I can find the materials in Houston?  i cannot buy wholesale
and that is the only source i have found.

thanks
Mark


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Re: [Biofuel] inline fuel heater?

[Michele Stephenson]

i was sent a ppt of how this guy in Eugene, 
ORconverted his vw caddy to wvo. he dropped the tank and cut a plate 
out so he could place an oil cooler in there, ran the lines back to the radiator 
lines to heat the oil. the h2o lines and the fuel line all inside and 
insulated 3" tubing to the 3 line solinoid and oil filter. his diesel tank 
was just a 3 or 5 gallon for priming and shutting down.

if anyone wants this ppt (2megs) i would be happy 
to send. it seems simple enough for a novice like me.

Peace,
michele


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Joe Street 
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:39 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] inline fuel 
  heater?
  Hi Kenji;Yes it was a crappy tire ad I saw. If 
  you want to build a inline heater it is not that difficult. I can work 
  with you on it. I was considering doing it on the short metal lines that 
  run from the injector pump to each injector. This would help when I 
  decide to run WVO. We just basically need to determine how many watts 
  are needed for the temperature rise required and considering the available 
  voltage pick the appropriate size wire and number of turns. 
  Weatherproofing the affair is the biggest challenge. We use a lot of 
  salt here in the winter. For you out in lotus land it is not much of a 
  concern.I'm not sure when I am coming out. Basically my buddy who is 
  in Ucluelet was supposed to meet me in Mexico in January and the bum backed 
  out at the last second so he offered to buy me a ticket to come see him on the 
  next seat sale. Who can argue with an offer like that? I have a 
  feathercraft folding kayak that I'll be bringing out so if you are into that 
  we can do some paddling when I come out. It will probably be in the 
  spring some time. I like nothing better than paddling with a local who knows 
  the tidal currents. If not well just hang out and talk biofuel over a 
  pint or something like that :) I'll tell you about my dreams to live 
  sustainably up near Coal Harbour. Best regards. Merry 
  Christmas and Happy New Year to all on this list.My keeper is letting me 
  out of th cage nowyippeeJoeKenji James Fuse wrote: 
  Crappy Canadian Tire has those windshield wash fluid heaters on sale right
now. Not much info on the box,
but they only seem to heat the fluid for a few seconds. I don't know if
this could be bypassed, but I'd be worried the plastic would melt if you
figured out how to keep it on all the time.

On the other hand, I thought about splitting the fuel line, so that some
goes to this heater and gets heated, and the rest keeps going. This would
raise the temp a little, but I don't know if it would be worth the $49.94
CAD.

Kenji

PS. WHen are you on Vancouver Island, Joe?

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Joe Street wrote:

  
I saw an advert on the tube last night for a gadget that is supposed to
heat windshield washer fluid as it flows to the spray nozzles on your
car.  I immediately thought about the potential as a fuel heater. It
hooks up to the electrical system and I guess turns on with the washer
pump. I have been considering such an idea along the lines of building
something by wrapping a peice of tubing with the right amount of
nichrome wire for instantaneous heating.  If this gadget is suitable it
would save a lot of work. Perhaps the tube diameter is too small (I
expect ) but you never know. Anybody ever seen one of these things?

Joe


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Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted - [solar-ac] Now thats what I call aSolar City!!!!!

[Michele Stephenson]

Austin has its own dept to help those interested in converting their homes 
to solar (ie federal credits, state credits, and Austin makes up the 
difference - at least they used to).  they also bought up the grass in your 
yard if you would xeroscape.

peace,
michele

- Original Message - 
From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted - [solar-ac] Now thats what I call 
aSolar City!


 Yeah.  I'm a little embarassed to be from the sunny and windy state of
 Colorado, which also has the one of the US's premier renewable energy
 research facilities.  90%+ coal power baby!!

 On 12/14/05, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Austin definitely sounds like a happenin' place.  They are also
 sponsoring a program to promote the plug-in electric hybrid vehicle
 concept.  I learned about that last week at the conference (more later
 when I get my notes - and life - together again).  Austin was also a big
 driver behind the wind projects in Texas.  I have a few contacts there
 from various past activities.

 Darryl

 Michael Redler wrote:
  I thought this is worth mentioning.
 
Mike
 
  Greg Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
  From: Greg Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:30:22 +1030
  Subject: [solar-ac] How thats what I call a Solar City!
 
  http://www.solaraustin.org/docs/Press%20Releases/PRS_EFC_Austin_Joins.html
 
  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
  December 1, 2005
  For more information contact:
  Joni Gilton: 512-306-0898
  Eric Young: 202-223-6133
 
  Austin Becomes First City to Accept Energy Freedom Challenge
 
  City Pledges to Obtain 50 Percent of Electricity From Renewable Sources
 
  Austin, Texas - Yesterday, Mayor Will Wynn announced that Austin will 
  be the
  first city to enter a nationwide contest that challenges cities to 
  obtain
  more than half of their electricity from clean renewable energy sources 
  like
  wind, solar, and bioenergy.
 
  As your Mayor, I will accept the challenge that Austin remain the 
  Number
  One city, the Number One utility in the country for renewable sales and 
  that
  we in fact become the first city in the country to reach the 50 percent
  renewable goal, he said. We accept the challenge, and we're going to
  figure out how to get there from here.
 
  The Energy Freedom Challenge: America's Race to Independence Through
  Renewable Energy is a national competition aimed at reducing our 
  reliance on
  unstable, polluting energy sources. Launched in November 2005, the 
  challenge
  will help accelerate home-grown clean energy technologies at the 
  municipal
  level.
 
  The Energy Freedom Challenge will inspire U.S. cities to hasten their
  transition from fossil fuel based power to clean, renewable energy, 
  said
  Jane Pulaski, Co-Chair of Solar Austin. What city wouldn't want the 
  coveted
  title of Clean Energy Capital of the U.S.?
 
  Earlier this year, the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Million Solar 
  Roofs
  (MSR) Initiative (http://www.millionsolarroofs.org) awarded funding for 
  the
  challenge. Solar Austin will administer the campaign. The Union of 
  Concerned
  Scientists (UCS) will provide technical support by establishing a 
  system to
  track each city's commitment.
 
  This contest will reduce harmful global warming pollution while 
  creating
  jobs and boosting rural economies, said Kate Abend, UCS Energy Field
  Coordinator.
 
  The challenge could also save consumers money. Analysis by the DOE and 
  UCS
  shows that increasing U.S. reliance on renewable energy sources would 
  reduce
  the demand for natural gas, resulting in lower electricity bills.
 
  With consumers facing a costly home heating season due to soaring 
  natural
  gas prices, this is the perfect time to deploy affordable renewable 
  energy
  alternatives, said Tom Smith of Public Citizen.
 
  The vast majority of Americans wants cleaner air and energy 
  independence,
  said Joni Gilton, Solar Austin's Coordinator for the Energy Freedom
  Challenge. This is a race that challenges us all to recognize that we 
  can
  create a real sustainable energy future.
  -
  For more information on Solar Austin and the Energy Freedom Challenge, 
  visit
  http://www.solaraustin.org
  For more information about the Union of Concerned Scientists, visit
  http://www.ucsusa.org
  
 
  Now that's what I call a Solar City. Who will be next? Wonder if they 
  would
  like a SunBall production facility in Austin? It is a sister city to
  Adelaide you know.
 
  By the way, as a mini SunBall update, I'm now putting together the
  production facility to make the first 100 1m2 SunBalls. Should be an
  interesting Jan 2006.
 
  All the best,
  Greg 

Re: [Biofuel] 1999 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mileage and misc.

[Michele Stephenson]

i have a 99 dodge 2500.  if you are wanting to convert to a B-type, you 
might want to do some more research.  the fuel injuector is 
cooled/lubricated by excess fuel with a return line whereas the previous 
year models were cooled/lubricated by the crank case oil.  this is my delima 
now that i don't have time to work on.

the abs light might be something simple.  drive it again and if the rear 
wheels or front wheels lock up it is the speed sensor.  $45 to replace the 
back.  it's on the differential at the top.  i have not had to replace the 
front one.
i have a stick so i can't say anything about the auto except have it 
serviced and it has always been a sore spot for those pulling or wanting 
more power.
this model doesn't have a throttle position sensor, but rather an APPS 
accelerator pedal position sensor.  same thing? not hardly.  the first is 
$100.  the later is not serviceable and $400 at the stealership.  when 
looking for parts try to go to a cummins dealer much cheaper.
the lift pump on my truck has been replaced 3x and is needing another one. 
~$175.  every one of these trucks have this problem.  the pump is on the 
motor and too far away from the tank.  many add another pump inline by the 
tank and it solves this problem.
be sure to get an exhaust gas temp and a fuel pressure guage (imperitive!). 
if the LP goes out not enough fuel will reach the injector pump to cool and 
lubricate and you'll then spend ~$1400 replacing that pump as well.

turbodieselregister.com  i am a member and it has saved me thousands.
dodgeram.org  is also an exceptional site for specs and such.

if it was me i would buy a 98 (12 valve) or earlier. many differences and 
good project/challenge for biofuel.

good luck. michele

- Original Message - 
From: Felipe Navarrete [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] 1999 dodge 2500 diesel fuel mileage and misc.


I may very well be purchasing a 1999 dodge 2500 with the cummins
 diesel engine tomorrow.  If anyone has any experience with one of these
 please
 share.

 Specs:

 engine: cummins diesel
 Automatic transmission
 miles 140,000

 ABS light is on.  Was told is was a sensor by a mechanic and the dealer.
 $100 repair.

 Its in good mechanical condition but has some cosmetic damage inside.



 I currently drive a 1990 civic and I believe I get about 30 miles to the
 gallon.
 I have a 20-45 minute drive to work which comes out to about 30 dollars a
 week.  How much more will it cost to run the truck on regular diesel?

 Can I do biodiesel and or SVO/WVO with this truck?

 Any help appreciated,

 Thanks,


 Felipe



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