[biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war
Hakan, You wrote: What's interesting in Ryan's post is the assumption that colonizing what is now the United States is seen as being the only way anyone (other than the former inhabitants, that is) could've possibly directly benefitted. That is, there is apparently no way to share the resources of a place with the former owners in a way that benefits both them and the colonizing power. While I'd agree that we have no good model or historical precedent for such a thing, that shouldn't mean we can't recognize the horror that was the colonial experience for those who were colonized. I once heard James Fallows, the former Asian Bureau chief for the Washington Post, interviewed on National Publc Radio, and he was ranking the major colonizing nations in order from most brutal (Spain, in his opinion) to least (the Dutch) but concluded by saying that of all the countries in Asia, the country with the sweetest people were the Thais, who'd never been colonized. On May 16, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Hakan Falk wrote: At 00:19 17/05/2004, you wrote: OK, enough already.Ê I won't make the same mistake again and post MHOs on this list.Ê How any of you can sit there and say you have not directly benefited from the colonization of the land that now makes up the USA is beyond me, but OK.Ê Now, shall we get back to biofuels? Thank you, Ryan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: [Biodiesel] Fwd: Re: Veg oil question
Thanks for this. Any idea what this means: Vegetable oil one gets in addition, starting from 1,703 US$/Gallon Craig On May 17, 2004, at 6:27 AM, Pat McCotter wrote: After looking at the list of filling stations at http://www.rerorust.de (click the British flag and select List of filing stations) I sent an e-mail to one of the people running the site. Below is a piece of it showing fuel prices in Germany. This is the summarized list from Steffen: Regular 1,173 Euro/L = 4,441 Euro/Gallon = 5,275 US$/Gallon Diesel 0,954 Euro/L = 3,612 Euro/Gallon = 4,291 US$/Gallon Biodiesel 0,75 Euro/L = 2,839 Euro/Gallon = 3,372 US$/Gallon Vegetable oil 0,65 Euro/L = 2,460 Euro/Gallon = 2,922 US$/Gallon Vegetable oil one gets in addition, starting from 1,703 US$/Gallon And a web site showing the cheapest and most expensive price of the three grades and diesel: http://www.clever-tanken.de/statistik3.asp (German) And babelfish translation: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent? url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clever-tanken.de%2Fstatistik3.asplp=de_en OR tinyurl version http://tinyurl.com/36677 --- steffen niegsch wrote: Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:23:16 +0200 From: steffen niegsch To: Pat McCotter Subject: Re: Veg oil question Pat McCotter schrieb: Hello Steffen, Thank you for the reply. What is the average price (DM/L) for the various fuels in Germany? Hello, on the following page one sees a price comparison between the deepest prices and the highest prices in Germany. http://www.clever-tanken.de/statistik3.asp Gasoline There are up-to-date in Germany different sorts of gasoline. Normal, Super and SuperPlus I take times the average price of the cheapest sort. 1,173 Euro/L = 4,441 Euro/Gallon = 5,275 US$/Gallon Diesel 0,954 Euro/L = 3,612 Euro/Gallon = 4,291 US$/Gallon Biodiesel 0,75 Euro/L = 2,839 Euro/Gallon = 3,372 US$/Gallon Vegetable oil 0,65 Euro/L = 2,460 Euro/Gallon = 2,922 US$/Gallon Those are the prices of this weekend. Vegetable oil one gets in addition, starting from 1,703 USS/Gallon if one a gas station has and already buys. I am showing my car at my son's school this week. The technology (using vegetable oil instead of diesel) is so new here that most people don't believe it. That is good. Children must learn it alternatives give. Your country is large. There is so much at agriculture... Which needs your country now is a drastic increase of the taxes on energy. Only if the people are forced on the prices will look also the automobile industry to react and vehicles with smaller consumption to offer. There since their world champion. That means then an upswing in the economy. And if you notice which one the fuel in the own country manufacture can give it also no reason for oil war to lead. Which is wasted there up-to-date on money... how many soldiers to die to have... Force off grows also with you. There is Sojaoel, cotton oil and rapeseel oil with you. But since the price of gasoline and diesel are rising so quickly here (US$0.25/gal in two weeks) everybody is looking for alternatives. That is nearly nothing at all. The price increases in the last 4 years came in the mass by tax increases. The current price thrust comes from the market for the moment. Here the prices rose in the last 5 years around nearly 100%. Therefore then vegetable oil became cheaper than Diesel. I drive off now. This weekend is a small meeting of the vegetable oil drivers in the city Monheim. Also there Stephan is. Greeting steffen -- Steffen Niegsch http://www.rerorust.de/ Rapsoel statt Diesel! Thanks for participating in the biodiesel discussion group. Please invite a friend to join by sending them this link:Ê http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/Biodiesel If you wish to leave this discussion group, please sign in to eGroups at www.egroups.com and click on My Groups. Look for the Biodiesel group, and select Unsubscribe from the pull- down list on the right. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT lrec_companion_043004.gif l.gif Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biodiesel/ Ê ðTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ðYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages
Re: [biofuel]
Yes they are. I've converted a 6.2, and have two friends with conversions on the Chevy/GM diesel - another 6.2 and a 6.5. You'll want to go two-tank, and heat and filter the oil well, since the Stanadyne pumps can't handle overly viscous fuel and/or dirty fuel. Craig http://www.biofuels.ca On May 2, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Greg Karais wrote: Question, is anyone driving GMC trucks with WVO.Ê I have a Sierra K2500 6.5 L Diesel and am wondering if anyone else is out there driving the same. Please advise, thanks, Greg 150,000 Magines in English and German in 2004! Harper Street Publishing Box 988 Dawson City, Yukon Y0B 1G0 Toll Free: 1-888-848-6671 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AlaskaYukon.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Best VW diesel engines for running WVO
The 1.6 NA (non-turbo) and the (rare in the US) 1.6 turbo and the even more rare 1.9 are all great on WVO. The Tdi's require good fuel heating, and two-tank is safer with them, while the 1.6 and 1.9 non Tdi's can more safely get away with singlertank - if the winter temps never fall much below freezing. And I wouldn't run soy, walnut or corn in a Tdi without using sythetic engine oil - or vegetable based engine oil, and I'd change either at 3000 miles unless you did a lot of highway driving - unless you paid for oil analysis for the first 10K miles or so - to make sure you weren't getting polymerizartion of the engine oil Craig On May 1, 2004, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list members, Ê Does anyone here know which VW diesel engines work best, or are the least troublesome with WVO? Can someone guide me to a list of VW's that would show me the best years to look for and why? I found a list of Diesels in the US on the JTF website that listed non-Tdi turbo VWs, but it didn't list which years to look for. I'm interested in knowing more about which VW injector pumps are best suited for WVO, and what years and models they where installed on. I've found two VW listed for sale locally, one is a1987 Golf, and the other is a 1989 Jetta. What are the pros and cons of these two cars? Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thank You, John in Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT lrec.gif l.gif Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ðTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ðYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: article on Biofuel Oasis in Oakland Tribune
Jonothan, The biodiesel being sold at the Biofuels Oasis is commercial biodiesel supplied by Yokayo Biofuels (http://ybiofuels.org) which meets the relevant ASTM specs, made from WVO feedstock whenever possible which is most of time, and it's being sold legitimately (the proprieters wouldn't be so stupid to grant an interview to the local paper if they were selling it under the table, or not paying road tax.) Craig Reece http://biofuels.ca You wrote: Are these people selling biodiesel legitimately, meaning, collecting the proper taxes? Or is it under the table? Is their fuel being tested to ASTM standards? My point is that if anybody can produce good quality biodiesel, what's stopping every other person from making it and selling it? It's one thing to make it for your own personal use, but I thought the big oil companies and EPA wouldn't allow the sale of biodiesel from WVO unless it has been tested to ASTM standards, which can be very expensive. Tom Leue from Yellow Biodiesel had some issues with the EPA, which I'll let him comment on if he wants to because it's not my place to talk about someone else's operation. Tom, I hope you read this and can comment. Jonathan. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Re: OT: Worldwide Publicly Traded Sustainable Technology or Conservation Investments
Yes, but electricity rates will only go up - I'm in Calfornia, and we know a bit about the subject. Craig On Apr 24, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Michael wrote: Last time I checked, when bpsolar.com let you figure how long to pay back your purchase price for a solar home, it was about 35 years.Ê Not very cost effective, yet! Very Respectfully, Michael http://www.RecoveryByDiscovery.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ðTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ðYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Trunk mounted tank
Paul, You wrote: Hi Is this what you're looking for? http://www.greasecar.com/kits.cfm Regards Paul Marks The Greascar tank pictured fits where the spare tire used to sit - compelling you to put the spare on top of the tank, and thus sucking up trunk space. Our new tank - which Ed mentioned yesterday - will fit *inside* the spare tire, thus leaving the loadspace of the trunk intact. Of course, our tank is therefore smaller, but since we heat the WVO with both coolant (but not in the tank, rather in the heat exchanger portion of the Vormax fuel processor/filter and electrically, and since 12V heat is almost instantaneous, the biodiesel or diesel start-stop tank can be very small, since you're only running on it for about a minute at startup and shutdown. Our tank will also have leak-tight quick-disconnect fittings, so you can easily pop it out of the trunk for filling - nice for avoiding spills into your trunk, which are a real drag, especially if you have to run diesel as your start-stop fuel. Craig Ê - Original Message - Ê From: Busyditch Ê To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Ê Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:35 PM Ê Subject: [biofuel] Trunk mounted tank Ê I am poring over the specs on a singleor dual tank system to run WVO. Anyone Ê know of a manufacturer who makes a tank to fit in the spare tire well? I Ê have a 2000 Golf and thought this would be a good idea, as it would not take Ê up the cargo/trunk areas in eithe Golfs or sedans like Jettas, etc. Seems to Ê me it would hold at least 10 gal, or so. Ê -busyditch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ðTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ðYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] one-tank SVO?
Hi Keith, You wrote: Actually I'm not sure they're comparable, your kit and Elbett's. The main cost component of your single-tank kit seems to be the Vormax filter, is that right? Perhaps the Vormax is in itself a better filter, but I don't think that means that Elsbett's filtering is less effective. With Elsbett's filter, you still need to bag filter - while with the Vormax installed, you can pump restuarant oil (WVO) through a 70 micron filter (included in the filtering wand we sell) right into your tank. If you tried this with the Elsbett filter, you'll plug up the (small) filter quickly, since it lacks the pre-filter feature of the Vormax. The Vormax was developed for dinodiesel-fueled big rigs - and we adapted it for WVO purposes - to extend the normal change interval of the (very large) secondary spin-on cartridge. The first stage of the Vormax is a prefilter that forces most crud (food scraps, in our application) and water to drop to the bottom of a large clear Lexan bowl, with a drainvalve that can opened to drain out any visible food bits. Being able to fill directly from 5 gallon jugs of oil from your donor restaurant makes driving on WVO much easier - and means more people will convert their cars as a result - and I speak as someone who spent many hours bag filtering, before I got my first Vormax. It's messy, time-consuming, takes up space, and the polyester felt filterbags don't compost. Elsbett gives you a small 2nd filter with a heating band around it, and leaves the stock filter in place, with a gate valve you can throw if their filter becomes clogged. In our Mercedes singletank installs, and some VW installs, we leave the stock filter in place also, and it becomes the final filter, after the Vormax's initial two-stage filtration. So you have the Vormax pre-filter, then the 10 micron Vormax replacable cartridge (or 2 micron, depending on which Fleetguard or Racor cartridge you opt for) then the stock filter. And the Vormax gets plumbed with coolant to prevent fuel gelling and waxing, and it has a vacuum gauge let you know when the cartridge is starting to get restricted, and the Vormax can be fitted with an optional 120V heater for cold winter areas. And the cartridges are about 4-6 times the size of the Elsbett filter, and can be found on the web for $10 each, and are available at most big truck dealers and a truck stops on the highway. So, yes, I think our filtration is much better in every way. Remember, in Germany, home of the Elsbett, fuels are taxed as they should be everywhere (and aren't in the US) with the result that new Canola at *the supermarket* is about 1/3 the price of diesel at the pump! So running new SVO is the norm in Germany and other European countries that acknowledge that global warming is real (unlike our current US administration with oil men in the #1 and #2 position) and have thus discouraged driving via high fuel taxation. With (affordable) new Canola, you'll do fine with minimal onboard filtration - not so with restuarant fryer oil. As far as the injector mod issue. I've driven my '87 Mercedes 300TD wagon almost 6000 miles on our singletank system - without modified injectors. It still starts immediately, never smokes, and still goes like a bat out of hell. The Bosch shops and local diesel injection shops have all told me that injector coking doesn't happen all at once -it's a gradual process, and will typically manifest as hard starting, smoking, or lack of power. The experience with my Benz, and with my '91 Jetta, running singletank without modified injectors, and with other singletank conversions with stock injectors, leads me to believe that the modified injectos aren't necessary. We have sold several singletank kits with the modified injectors, and I always tell prospective customers that the injectors aren't a bad idea, but that my experience - albeit with only a few thousand miles - is that they'd probably be ok without them, and that at the first sign of hard starting, smoking, or lack of power, they should pull an injector for examination, and if coking is found, we'd exchange them for the modified injectors. We offer the modded injectors on an exchange basis, and you're saying Elsbett now does this too - when I was installing their kits, they sent you injector bits, that you then had to take to a local Bosch shop, along with your injectors, to have the bits swapped out. I'm glad to hear they've eliminated that step. As far as your friend's experience with the ease of installation of his Elsbett kit - he's the exception, rather than the rule. But maybe they've improved the instructions since I've installed one more than a year ago. But the Elsbett system's electric fuel heating is turned off when the coolant reaches operating temps, and this requires a thermoswitch that's installed in the head, and a relay to turn off the heated filter, whereas our Vegtherm inline 12V
Re: [biofuel] one-tank SVO?
a very happy customer. Ê Thanks for continuous support for SVO system with your team. I think Ê your system is considering very well for using SVO Fuel on small car Ê with cheap price. Ê With the injector refund, it cost him Euro 800. Another Elsbett Ê system sold here for a '91 Toyota cost Euro 750. (Currently 1 Euro = Ê 1.1987 US$.) Of course it has a one-year warranty, the only SVO Ê system that does, AFAIK. Ê So again, for your price comparison, considering what you're getting, Ê there's not much in it. I don't agree with the whole basis of the Ê comparison. By all mean promote your system, but I don't think your Ê citing its purported advantages over the Elsbett system has much or Ê any substance. It reminds me a bit of the SVO vs biodiesel Ê non-argument. Why not just promote it on its own merits? Ê Best Ê Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ðTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ðYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] one-tank SVO?
John, We (Neoteric Biofuels, http://biofuels.ca) also do singletank (as well as two-tank.) Our kit is cheaper than Elsbett's, and offers better filtration and easier install, with a self-regulating electric fuel heater that doesn't require the electronic complexity of the Elsbett system. The guy in Berkeley who runs olive oil in his '98 Mercedes is not currently heating his olive oil - something that we don't recommend. Craig Reece On Apr 16, 2004, at 8:34 AM, John Blackmer wrote: does anyone know anything about www.elsbett.com ? it claims that a one-tank SVO is posssible with a few small modifications to the engine:Ê glow plugs, 1 micron filter, etc.Ê certainly this could only work with an oil that doesn't solidify in the tank, i assume, but there's a fellow in berkeley that claims to have done this for 8 months with straight olive oil.Ê I thought that this was simply mechanically impossible? any caveats/opinions? thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ðTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ðYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Craig Reece Neoteric Biofuels http://www.biofuels.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Griffin Industries Biodiesel
As well as air in the system, which can be exacerbated by excess vacuum caused by overly-thick biodiesel, and also caused by water in the system - as found via a blown head gasket, as you point out, or by water in a bad batch of biodiesel. I'd just drain it all out, see what it looks like, refill with known good fuel, change all the filters, and see what happens. Craig Dave Williams wrote: Alan Petrillo wrote: One of my trucks is sick, possibly fuel related, and both of them blow big white clouds on startup, and have experienced hard starting since I got my last batch of B100. Those are typical symptoms of a blown head gasket. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Williams)== == waiting, anticipating / for someone to save her soul / well, I == == ain't no new Messiah / but I'm close enough for rock and roll! == = http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/index.htm http://www.bacomatic.org/%7Edw/index.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Griffin Industries Biodiesel
Alan, I checked with some of our local bioD resellers, and there was at least one bad batch from Griffin. I'd contact Griffin about it - maybe they'll comp you some good fuel for your trouble. Here in N. California, Yokayo Biofuels went the extra mile when they sold some funky bioD, and actually went to the affected vehicles and drained the fuel, replaced with good stuff, and replaced fuel filters. Here's what my friend said: The Griffin fuel had a very high gel point - above 40 degrees Farenheit. Plus, when once it gels, it seems to not ungel until raised to an even higher temperature: 60-70 degrees. Alan Petrillo wrote: Does anyone have any experience with biodiesel made by Griffin Industries? One of my trucks is sick, possibly fuel related, and both of them blow big white clouds on startup, and have experienced hard starting since I got my last batch of B100. I've put in a call to Aaron at Ward Oil about it, but I haven't heard back from him yet. AP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Vormax/Filtering (was: Anyone installed Espar diesel heater in WVO system?
Geoff, My pleasure. Your approach is very thorough and we're mining the same vein - singletank WVO that's bulletproof and can be driven like an ordinary diesel. My answers to your question are below: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Craig, Thanks for the info.I have spoke with you once on the phone briefly before the Christmas holiday.I especially appreciate your feedback on the choices for Webb HotSTK and hose on hose for reliability and minimizing the downside risk..This is my first attempt at converting a diesel to run primarily on WVO and I'm going to go overboard which is my nature.Rather than start with a bare bones approach I'm opting to go with the latest technology available, create what I can't find and hopefully attain my goal of a nearly on demand fill up, turn the key, pause for the glow plugs and drive vehicle running on WVO. Questions on the Vormax which I will cheerfully purchase from your company. 1. Can you get more than one heating element in itSuch as 12V heat, coolant heat and 120V heat all in the same unit?.I'd at least like to have 12v and coolant together and preferably all 3 options bundled together. Yes, the Vormax comes standard with provision for fluid heat exchange (coolant or return fuel, with coolant producing higher fuel temps) and 12V/180W heat and 120V heat 2. Are you letting your WVO settle before pouring it in the tank or do you use any WVO that you can pump from a dumpster?.I'd like to believe that a Vormax could handle these, however I had planned to build or buy a pumping and filtering system for collection and purifying. We (Ed Beggs and I, aka Neoteric Biofuels, let our restaurant oil settle in the jugs (we persuade them to give us their oil in the jugs in came in - for portability, so we don't have to dumpster dive, so we don't run the risk of getting water or other funky stuff that might find it's way into the dumpster, and so we can see what kind of oil they're buying - so we can avoid partially-hydrogenated oil, for instance) then we use the 12V FillRite diesel transfer pump we sell, with a 70 micron stainless mesh filter on the end of the suction hose - actually, it's inside a PVC wand we're going to start selling - with holes in the bottom of an airtight tube and the filter at the top of the tube. With this setup, we pump settled WVO right into our fuel tanks - and I have conversion customers (we do conversions in my Berkeley workshop) who do the same. The Vormax, with it's pre-filter, takes care of the rest of the filtering. You could use the same setup for dumpster diving, by placing the end of the wand just below the top surface of the oil - avoiding the (hopefully) settled food and/or water. I'd consider doing this on the road if I'd run out of pre-filtered and settled WVO. (I can fit 16 - 5 gallon carboys of settled and pre-filtered WVO in the rear of my '87 Mercedes wagon, and that 80 gallons plus my stock tank's (I'm running singletank) 18 gallons is enough for me to do a free roadtrip of about 2450 miles before I have to start thinking about scoring some more WVO. With your Cummins, you could carry a lot more WVO, of course. 3. What is the average life of the filter you use on the Vormax and what do you recommend?.Is it a cellulose type filter?.I thought I had read that VO causes the fibers to swell and can ruin them quicklyHave you heard of this? No one I know has had any problems with standard spin-on or cartridge-type fuel filters on WVO. When Ed first installed a Vormax on his '91 Jetta, he put 6000 miles on the original Fleetguard cartridge on the Vormax, and the vacuum gauge that indicates filter restriction never moved out of the green safe zone. He drained a bit of visible food bits out of the clear Lexan prefilter bowl twice in that 6000 miles. I've got about 5000 miles on my original cartridge. And they're only $11 at my local Ford Truck dealer - and about that at your Dodge dealer, and most CAT, Freightliner, Kenworth, Peterbuilt, etc. big truck dealers stock them - as well as truck stops on the highway. I have many more questions, but will limit them to these for now. Thanks in advance for your assistance, Geoff My pleasure. Keep up the good thinking! Craig --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Craig Reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff, You wrote: Has anyone installed an Espar, Webasto or other diesel fired water heater in their WVO system to pre-heat the cooling system and thus the WVO?..My question is if these will work burning WVO. I've installed a Webasto diesel-fired coolant heater/pump in my Tdi Land Rover, plumbed into the cooling system (obviously) and will use it to preheat the coolant in my radiator, engine, heatercore, Webb HotSTK (now Racor HotSTK, since they bought Webb in December) in my WVO tank, and in my Vormax fuel pre-filter/filter, which has a heat
Re: [biofuel] Anyone installed Espar diesel heater in WVO system?
Geoff, You wrote: Has anyone installed an Espar, Webasto or other diesel fired water heater in their WVO system to pre-heat the cooling system and thus the WVO?..My question is if these will work burning WVO. I've installed a Webasto diesel-fired coolant heater/pump in my Tdi Land Rover, plumbed into the cooling system (obviously) and will use it to preheat the coolant in my radiator, engine, heatercore, Webb HotSTK (now Racor HotSTK, since they bought Webb in December) in my WVO tank, and in my Vormax fuel pre-filter/filter, which has a heat exchange function. (The Webb HotSTK is the only way that we - Neoteric Biofuels www.biofuels.ca recommend as a means to introduce coolant into a fuel tank - we don't feel like taking on the potential liability we'd incur if a customer had a catastrophic loss of coolant into their fuel from a copper loop or transmission oil cooler. Which has happened, BTW - with diesel engines being turned into boat anchors in a few minutes of operation without coolant.) So, fire up the Webasto or Espar, (and they both offer a keychain remote feature) and after some amount of time, which of course varies depending on ambient air temps, you've got hot coolant being circulated (by the 12V pump) through all of the above components, so you've got: a hot engine, hot (or at least warm) fuel in your injection pump and injectors, hot fuel in your tank, hot fuel in your fuel filter, and hot coolant in your heatercore - so everything, including your passenger compartment, is hot prior to starting the car. For campers or RV's, you can plumb a hot water heat exchanger into the loop, and use the Webasto or Espar to provide you with domestic hot water. If your fuel lines are bundled next to your coolant lines (HOH or hose-on-hose, as opposed to HIH or hose-in-hose, which scares us (see above - can you say catastrophic loss of coolant) with the whole bundle insulated with foam pipe insulation) you've also got a heated fuel path from tank to engine. As far as running an Espar or Webasto on WVO: Alexander Noack, the senior engineer at Elsbett, who's in charge of the SVO kit side of their business, (and Elsbett installs Espar heaters as a cold-weather option on conversions they do at their workshop in Germany) told me that Espar claims you can run *biodiesel* (not SVO or WVO) in their heaters, but that you need to run them on diesel periodically. Whether pre-heated biodiesel would eliminate this need, I don't know. And it's possible that pre-heated WVO would also combust properly. I'd of course suggest our Vegtherm 12V inline fuel heater for this purpose. My Land Rover isn't quite on the road yet, but when it is, I'll be experimenting with the Webasto, to see if it will run on pre-heated biodiesel, and I'm sure I'll try it on pre-heated WVO at some point. With a bit of plumbing one could of course do a two-tank system for the Webasto or Espar and start it on bioD or dinoD, run it on WVO, then shut down on dinoD or bioD. I'll keep the group informed of the outcome of my experiments. Craig Reece Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: newby
Alex, Hi, I can't answer your question, but I'll ask another - why do people go to the trouble to make either of the two - biodiesel *or* ethanol, when they could just modify the car or truck and drive on used frenchfry oil - free waste restaurant oil. Of course, since I'm co-owner of a company - Neoteric Biofuels - that sells kits to do this, I could be biased. I'm currently beta-testing our prototype *single-tank* kit, with our Vormax filter, which pretty much eliminates pre-filtering of the (free - did I mention that?) oil - and, being single-tank, you run nothing but free fuel all the time - no need for a 2nd tank, no switching between tanks. Not currently available for anything but Mercedes and non-Tdi VW's. Lest I be accused of shamless pandering, anyone who's interested can email me privately. Craig Alex wrote: Hi, I'm a newby. My question - why people are more interested in biodiesel and not in an ethanol? In my opinion, ethanol is easier to make from scratch then biodiesel. Regards, Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO in turbodiesels
Alan, An intercooler will cool the incoming air charge, allowing more fueling and power without adding any more heat - unless you turn the fueling up a whole lot. Adding a pyrometer (aka EGT gauge - exhaust gas temperature ) and a turbo boost gauge at the same time will help you make sure you don't add so much power by turning up the fueling than you melt something. How to add a turbo is another question - if there's anyone who makes a kit for it, that'd be easiest, if not, you'll have to get an intercooler from a junkyard - I know a guy who's added a Saab or Mustang gas engine intercooler to a Mercedes 300D - I could give you his number if you contacted me off-list. Craig Alan Petrillo wrote: craig reece wrote: Alan, I can't think of anything about a turbodiesel engine on SVO or WVO that would make it react any differently than a non-turboed engine. Your Trooper, being indirect-injection and with a mechanical fuel injection pump, would be a perfect candidate for WVO. I haven't bought it yet, actually. A favorable answer to this question is one of the factors in my decision. I crashed my little Nissan pickup, long may it rust in peace, so now I can get that diesel vehicle I've been wanting these past few years, but just couldn't justify. It's something of a slug, powerwise, but FWIU if I keep my foot out of it I can get around 30mpg on the highway. The current owner claims 27mpg around town. In a full size SUV! Turbos just add a lot of power and fuel economy while not adding much in the way of complexity. Cool. One of the things that bothers me about it just a bit is that the turbo installation doesn't have an intercooler. Any thoughts on what the addition of an intercooler would do to the system? AP Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Rendering.
There was a report in a local paper last year that a renderer in Sonoma County was fined for dumping *a lot* of rendered oil and grease into the storm drains, leading many to speculate that the price they get for rendered WVO must not be very high, and that they must make most of their $ from the approx. 80 cents a gallon they charge restaurants for pickup, and that most of it probably goes into landfill. Which is what I've heard happens to most WVO. Craig doug foskey wrote: On Monday 18 August 2003 04:31 am, murdoch wrote: Awhile back I asked a question as to what happens now to waste grease and oil, and I was given an answer that did not fully answer my question. I was given a link or something to a discussion of rendering, but I was not able to discern from the link what exactly happens to the grease and oil. So, what *is* done with waste grease and oil, a this point, other than throwing it down the drain? What productive uses are presently made, if any, from these products? To my knowledge, it is used in cosmetics, most goes to animal feed. regards Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [click here] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO in turbodiesels
Alan, I can't think of anything about a turbodiesel engine on SVO or WVO that would make it react any differently than a non-turboed engine. Your Trooper, being indirect-injection and with a mechanical fuel injection pump, would be a perfect candidate for WVO. Turbos just add a lot of power and fuel economy while not adding much in the way of complexity. Craig Alan Petrillo wrote: I remember some time ago there was a discussion about the effects of burning SVO in a turbodiesel, but I don't remember the outcome of the discussion. What are the drawbacks, and potential pitfalls of burning SVO in a turbodiesel? The turbodiesel in question is a 1986 Isuzu Trooper. The engine is an indirect injection diesel with a mechanical injection pump. It is neither direct injection nor common rail. Thanks in advance. AP Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] What renderers do with WVO (was dewatering WVO
There was a case last year in Sonoma County in California where a renderer was fined for dumping WVO into storm drains or the city sewer - leading many in the local biodiesel and WVO/SVO community to believe that they make most of their $ at the front end from the fees they get paid by the restaurants, and that the price they get for WVO must be very little. And I've always heard that a lot goes into landfill. I believe that the Maui Gold brand of biodiesel sold in Hawaii was started by the landfill manager who saw all the WVO being dumped, had heard about biodiesel, and started diverting the WVO from the wastestream and making biodiesel from it. Craig Appal Energy wrote: In the United States WVO primarily goes towards animal feed as an energy quotient, the cosmetics industry, the oleo-chemicals industry in general and to third world countries as refined yellow grease for edible purposes. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Christopher Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] dewatering WVO Hi Keith: Any idea what the recyclers do with WVO? I talked to a couple of restaurants and found out that there are people who buy their WVO. The restaurants don't have a clue what is done with the WVO. Regards, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:56 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] dewatering WVO = = =Hey Kieth- = =Which restaurants did you learn not to eat at, and why? = =Best Regards, = =John D, in Ohio = = =Hello John = =As a general rule we've found the cheaper the restaurant the worse =the WVO - more abused, cooked longer and probably hotter before being =renewed, higher FFA levels. Others say the same in other countries. =I'm sure there are exceptions but I've yet to find one. One real =cheap eatery in Chiba used quite a lot of oil but didn't have any WVO =for us - they used it all up! Ulp... I definitely wouldn't eat =anything that'd been cooked in some of the WVO we've had, lethal I =reckon. As the prices rise so does the WVO quality. The very good =stuff that's hardly been used at all comes from the classy joints, =but it can be hard to get hold of - the waste recyclers seem to like =it for the same reasons we do. = =We don't do restaurants now, one step back in the chain, much better. =Also one step forward: quite a lot of the organic farmers here are =using our biodiesel in their tractors. Most of them sell most of =their produce direct to consumers via teikeis (face-to-face), the =Japanese version of CSAs (Community Supported Agriculture), and =apparently the original inspiration for CSAs. Midori, my partner at =Journey to Forever, made flyers for them to put in the delivery boxes =with all the veggies, with a photo of the happy organic farmer =driving his biod-fuelled tractor and explaining a bit about it. And, =as hoped, the consumers are now starting to send the WVO from their =home kitchens back to the farmers in the empty boxes. So the farmers =are now moving towards making their own fuel from their customers' =used cooking oil, quite nice. The oil itself is as good as the best =stuff we get, hardly used at all, not overheated, very low titration, =no water content. Maybe that's because these are organic produce =consumers and perhaps more aware of food and health issues, but maybe =not. We've also been offered oil by a women's group that's into waste =recycling and collects WVO at household level. They make soap out of =it but they have too much and don't have a good market for the soap. =These aren't organic consumers, so we'll see. Probably it's also =high-quality WVO. So much for cheap restaurants. Pity. = =regards = =Keith = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Coral Calcium for Greater Health. 1 month supply - $23.95 (1 bottle, 90 tablets, 400mg each with Magnesium Vitamin D) http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2805lp=calcium2.asp http://us.click.yahoo.com/mcIe3D/v9VGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-
Double oops (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in Berkeley July 4-6
Andrew, Thanks, and oops again - I see I intended to reply to Keith - thinking he's sent me a private message - but that I responded to Biofuels. Oh well, I'm not shy about my political views. I'm not sure I understand what you've suggested. I use Netscape, and I send with HTML enabled - but I'm not clear how I'd make a shorter link out of a very long URL. Thanks, Craig you wrote: Some email programs allow you to create messages using HTML. For example: PI want a Bombay Duck, and I want it A href= http://www.2pieR.com; now/A !/P would display as: I want a Bombay Duck, and I want it now ! whereby the 'now' contains the hypertext link and clicking on 'now' would work in the same way as the 'Click Here' that you mentioned. On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:47:22 -0800, craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Keith, Oops. I've had trouble pasting long URL's into my browser's window, so I wanted to spare others this kinda grief - and the original URL was really long. Am I the only one that has such problems? I've noticed some people will post a blue hypertext Here (usually underlined) and you click on that and are taken to whatever they want to take you to - but I don't know how they do that. That would be the best, in the case of a long URL, I think. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/O10svD/Me7FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in Berkeley July 4-6
Alexander Noack, the senior engineer with Elsbett, was in town about a month ago to discuss possible summer workshops in Northern California - where they sell most of their US-bound kits. He's doing one in Santa Rosa the last weekend in June, and if there's enough interest, he'll stick around another week and do a 2nd workshop in Berkeley the weekend of July 4-6. What's needed for that to happen is a minimum of 4-6 people who've ordered kits, and received them, prior to that weekend. Alexander knows how to install kits, but isn't prepared to do multiple installs himself, so the format would be: you show up with your vehicle, your Elsbett kit, and your mechanic (or just yourself, your vehicle and your kit if you're a competent mechanic) and Alexander will supervise the kit install. The workshops are free. I've installed two Elsbett kits, one on an '84 Mercedes 300TD wagon, and another on my own '87 300TD wagon, and while the kit is very sophisticated, the directions, while beautiful and laminated, lack clarity. I'd recommend anyone who's interested in an Elsbett to think about attending. The Elsbett is the only single-tank system out there - you run WVO or SVO all the time, and can run on biodiesel or diesel anytime you have to. And the Elsbett kit has no in-tank heating - which has some advantages, reliability-wise, but isn't an option in colder parts of the world - that is, California is a perfect place for such a system. If you're interested, you can email me directly, and you can also email Alexander at [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check out their website, including their online order form, it's http://www.elsbett.com/gmbh/eindex.htm . Most kits are about $850 including shipping from Germany. Not cheap, but if you never have to pay for fuel again, the single-tank feature will pay for itself over time. I did a long writeup of the install I did on the '84 300TD wagon and posted it few months ago on the InfoPop SVO Forum aka the Maui Board - check it out if you're interested: http://makeashorterlink.com/?N53512C54 Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/cjB9SD/od7FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in Berkeley July 4-6
Keith, Oops. I've had trouble pasting long URL's into my browser's window, so I wanted to spare others this kinda grief - and the original URL was really long. Am I the only one that has such problems? I've noticed some people will post a blue hypertext Here (usually underlined) and you click on that and are taken to whatever they want to take you to - but I don't know how they do that. That would be the best, in the case of a long URL, I think. Your guidance on this will be appreciated. I don't know if I have the energy right this minute to re-spam the 6-8 lists and Yahoo groups with the (excellent) Journey to Forever SVO section - but I refer newbies to it all the time, and anyone who contacts me about the workshop and seems the least bit hesitant to start soaking their car, their person and their driveway with great gobs o' WVO, I'll send 'em there! And - I know I posted the Elsbett writeup to the biofuels list, but it's been awhile, and with all the new blood hopping on this bandwagon, I thought it wouldn't hurt to post the link. Thanks for the 2nd archive link - I never browse the archives, and I saved it in several folders so I can check it out and re-read some of it. Thanks, and thanks for all your great (as always) research during our recent evil, criminal, genocidal, counter-productive, bad-precedent-setting, fiscally idiotic and generally dumbass misadventure in Iraq. Craig You wrote: Hi Craig snip I did a long writeup of the install I did on the '84 300TD wagon and posted it few months ago on the InfoPop SVO Forum aka the Maui Board - check it out if you're interested: http://makeashorterlink.com/?N53512C54 Good grief - makeashorterlink.com??? How clunky can you get... It does get you there I guess, eventually. Anyway, seems you forget it was posted it here too - I cross-posted it after you sent it to the vegoil-diesel list. I did sort of feel it belonged here, as you credited me for encouraging you to go Elsbett in the first place: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel: Journey to Forever See: SVO systems: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html#systems The message is in the (somewhat less clunky) Biofuel archive: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=20227list=biofuelrelated=1 See also the links to related messages, and see here for more discussion on Elsbett: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=elsbettlist=BIOFUEL Best wishes Keith Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/O10svD/Me7FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel as wood treatment?
Nope - it was used on a deck. Craig Jim Raddon wrote: Hi, I seem to remember reading about someone using biodiesel as a wood treatment, but I can't find the message. Was I just dreaming? Jim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save Smiley. Help put Messenger back in the office. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4PqtEC/anyFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Rigged elections (was Bringing democracy to Sweden
Doug (and Steve.) Maybe Keith will pipe in with some more URL's, but here's one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4198796,00.html I've heard a couple of reports on this on the BBC about the company that the State of Florida contracted with to identify convicted felons (who aren't allowed to vote in Florida, like most states.) Apparently, someone in the Secretary of State's office used a computer program to identify the most common African-American surnames, then found, using the database provided by the company contracting with them, felons with those surnames, then disqualified *everyone* with that surname - on the theory that this wide net would catch - and disqualify - more African-American voters than whites. And since African-Americans in Florida, like most places, tend to vote Democratic they'd disenfranchise a lot more would-be Democrats than Republicans. When, *after the election,* many of the non-felon but prohibited-from-voting African Americans complained, it was blamed on computer error - *and* those wrongly disenfranchised voters were never permitted to cast their votes. Sounds a lot like rigging of an election to me. What am I missing? Craig Doug Foskey wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:04, you wrote: Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the electoral college, per the design of our government. There was nothing improper about the election except the democrats attempt to change law to cook the numbers. Funny they had no problem with the voting system in Florida in previous elections. Steve Spence All I can say is that from here it looked anything but fair - many voters' were disenfranchised, and the way the count was accomplished seemed to me as an outsider, definitely not one man, one vote - ie a fair election. As I said, in Australia, I think a fresh election would have been called if there was any doubt. Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Rigged elections (was Bringing democracy to Sweden
So you think the Guardian, one of the leading daily papers in England. made this up? Craig Steve Spence wrote: That a lot of claims were made that this happened, but in reality it did not. apparently, someone had a slow news day and adjusted the story to make news. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 3:14 PM Subject: [biofuel] Rigged elections (was Bringing democracy to Sweden Doug (and Steve.) Maybe Keith will pipe in with some more URL's, but here's one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4198796,00.html I've heard a couple of reports on this on the BBC about the company that the State of Florida contracted with to identify convicted felons (who aren't allowed to vote in Florida, like most states.) Apparently, someone in the Secretary of State's office used a computer program to identify the most common African-American surnames, then found, using the database provided by the company contracting with them, felons with those surnames, then disqualified *everyone* with that surname - on the theory that this wide net would catch - and disqualify - more African-American voters than whites. And since African-Americans in Florida, like most places, tend to vote Democratic they'd disenfranchise a lot more would-be Democrats than Republicans. When, *after the election,* many of the non-felon but prohibited-from-voting African Americans complained, it was blamed on computer error - *and* those wrongly disenfranchised voters were never permitted to cast their votes. Sounds a lot like rigging of an election to me. What am I missing? Craig Doug Foskey wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:04, you wrote: Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the electoral college, per the design of our government. There was nothing improper about the election except the democrats attempt to change law to cook the numbers. Funny they had no problem with the voting system in Florida in previous elections. Steve Spence All I can say is that from here it looked anything but fair - many voters' were disenfranchised, and the way the count was accomplished seemed to me as an outsider, definitely not one man, one vote - ie a fair election. As I said, in Australia, I think a fresh election would have been called if there was any doubt. Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get a FREE REFINANCE QUOTE - click here! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2CXtTB/ca0FAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Don's Hot Rod Shop (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Arizona source for methanol
Mark (and Bill,) A quick Google search revealed that inhaling methanol has not affected Mark's brain one little bit: Tucson Guide to Automotive : Parts and Supplies ... Don's Hot Rod Shop. 520-884-8892 2811 N Stone Ave Tucson, AZ 85705. ... Craig girl_mark_fire wrote: Where the Bill In Arizona are you? :) I was getting methanol by the gallon (ie bring your own gas can) from Don's Hot Rod shop in Tucson a year ago for $2.40 a galllon or something like that. I think it was called Don's anyway. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mkitchin6548 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Say, does anyone know of a good source for methanol in Az at a good price for a good product ? Thanks, Bill in Az Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Waste Oil Furnace
Heidi, No, you sent it to the biofuels Yahoo group, and I responded to the group. Looks like I'm the only one who's responded - hard to believe - it's such a good application for WVO. I look forward to hearing more about his stuff, and thanks, Craig heidinem wrote: Craig, Did I send that offer to you personally? I meant to send it to the group. I will get the hang of this eventually. It was easier to lurk though. OK I will ask him for details on the heaters and generator and let you know what he says. Heidi --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heidi, I'd love to see/hear details of your friend's WVO heaters, and details on his use of WVO in a generator. Thanks! Craig heidinem wrote: I have just been a lurker here until now. I have a vegetable oil fueled car which a friend converted for me and don't really understand much about. It seems simple enough though. He has several heaters he has built which use fryer oil as fuel as well as a generator, tractor, and truck which he runs on what he calls wvo. He built these heaters himself and I am not sure how they work but if people are interested I could ask him more about this. Heidi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [HGTV Dream Home Giveaway] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Waste Oil Furnace
Heidi, I'd love to see/hear details of your friend's WVO heaters, and details on his use of WVO in a generator. Thanks! Craig heidinem wrote: I have just been a lurker here until now. I have a vegetable oil fueled car which a friend converted for me and don't really understand much about. It seems simple enough though. He has several heaters he has built which use fryer oil as fuel as well as a generator, tractor, and truck which he runs on what he calls wvo. He built these heaters himself and I am not sure how they work but if people are interested I could ask him more about this. Heidi Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Elsbett (long)
Keith, Please do. I feel sorta badly about promoting the Elsbett when Ed and Charlie are making such good kits, but the Elsbett is of a higher order - truly something that allows Granny to drive your car (or her car) on SVO - just tell her she can fuel up with dinodiesel if she runs out of SVO on the road. Glad to hear you're all moved - it was strange having you gone. BTW and totally OT - did you ever run into a man named Doug Lummis in Kyoto? Old landlord of mine in Berkeley, now writes about world trade issues for (among others) an English-language paper in Kyoto. When I was a freshman at Cal Berkeley in 1963, he was a grad student at Cal, married to Kyoko ( I think her name was) who he'd met when he was in Japan after having been in the Korean War. I still remember him telling me - in 1963! - that the increasing McDonaldization of the entire world disturbed him a lot. Last time I saw him was in 1964, then a year or so ago there was an obit in the SF Chronicle for a man named Lummis - and listed among his surviving relatives was Douglas Lummis of Kyoto - so I Googled him, and found, among other books and articles he'd written, an article opposing GAT and NAFTA - perfect for a man that saw it coming a long time ago, I thought. Good luck getting settled in. Craig Keith Addison wrote: I hope you don't mind if I cross-post this Craig - it seems to be travelling quite well! (The message as well as the Merc.) Best Keith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:33:02 -0800 Subject: Elsbett (long) (was Re: [vegoil-diesel] Suitable Injectors, glowplugs fitted to Mercedes Here's a little writeup I did about the Elsbett kit I installed on an '84 Mercedes 300 TD wagon. Darren and/or Stephan may need to check it for accuracy: Craig Elsbett, DIY single-tank system thoughts I installed an Elsbett single-tank system on an Î84 Mercedes 300TD wagon last month, and itâs running just fine in Northern California - where the coldest temps weâve seen so far are probably in the low 30âs, if that. Elsbett recommends that you mix in a little dinodiesel when temps get real cold - and what this temp is depends on what the vehicle is - Mercedes are famous among WVOâers for the ability of their inline liftpump to pull thick oil from the tank. (Curiously, Elsbett recommends against blending in biodiesel - calling it ãcorrosiveä - and they may be justifiably concerned about skanky unwashed and badly made homebrew causing problems with their equipment - but I think it could have more to do with the fact that in Germany theyâre competing with biodiesel.) They also stipulate that the kit is to be used with new SVO only - and recommend Canola. The car I converted is running on WVO - but itâs been titrated by girl Mark, and she also boiled a small sample to listen for the sputtering that letâs you know if thereâs water in the oil - and it passed both tests. I then pre-filtered it to .5 micron with Greaselâs filterbags (www.greasel.com.) I understand that Elsbett doesn't want to be waranteeing a kit that might get damaged by funky crud-laden and/or Drano-laced fuel, but I think that good WVO should be ok. The kit was $870 including shipping from Germany, then you need to add the charge from a local Bosch shop to swap out the stock injector nozzle bodies and nozzle valves for new ones that Elsbett provides. I paid $25/per for this - or $125 for the 5 injectors. So total not including labor was $995 - not cheap. Elsbett also tells you to have the Bosch shop turn up the opening pressure on the injectors by 5-10 bar - I told them to try for 7.5 bar. I assume that the higher pressure is designed to better optimize the thicker fuel. The kit is great, the directions suck. They give you 4-5 big laminated pages, some with photos of the components of the kit installed in the engine compartment, and one of which is an electrical schematic. All of it almost totally useless, except as a starting point. I spent more time figuring out the directions than I did installing the kit - calling and emailing Elsbett, talking to Capra JâNeva whoâs installed an Elsbett on a Toyota diesel pickup, and consulting with a professional mechanic who deconstructed the schematic for me. Hereâs what the kit comes with: A heated fuel filter, with a relay. Unlike Racorâs heated fuel filters, with a heating element inside the (Lexan) filter bowl, this one is heated by a wide band that encircles the aluminum fuel filter body - and the band presumably has Nichrome wire inside - with an plug-in type electrical connector. When it's electrified - which it isn't always - more on that later - it's too hot to touch for more than a second or so. A coolant-fuel heat exchanger. Itâs not the usual fin-and-tube type, but a (more efficient, Iâm told) flat-plate style. Itâs a cube about 4ä square, and whatever they were
Oops! (was Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Elsbett (long)
Oops! I thought Keith had written to me off-list, and meant to reply off-list. Sorry about the extremely OT chatter about Doug Lummis, etc! Craig Keith Addison wrote: I hope you don't mind if I cross-post this Craig - it seems to be travelling quite well! (The message as well as the Merc.) Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: shutdown flush (after a long pause)
Mark (and Darren,) I think that cold oil in the fuel injection pump isn't a problem because of gumming - it's only a problem if the cold oil's still cold when it reaches the combustion chamber, or the pre-combustion chamber. Elsbett gets around this cold oil problem in two ways - via the glowplugs that get hotter (we think) and (for sure) stay on longer than normal 'plugs, and by means of the heated fuel filter. And, as you point out, the special injector nozzle bodies and nozzle valves that Elsbett provides - plus the fact that they have you take your injectors to your local Bosch injector shop to turn up the opening pressure may both also help cold oil combust. Neoteric's VEG-Therm would also probably help - that is, if one were attempting to create a DIY one-tank system. If you plumbed a VEG-Therm into the system after the fuel injection pump and before the injectors, you'd be ensuring that you had hot fuel to (easily) combust. The absence of flushing of WVO or SVO via biodiesel or dinodiesel in a one-tank system does, I think, make it very important that you're completely combusting your fuel - as Darren points out. Otherwise, you might get the dreaded injector coking that we hear about. Easy to check for by removing an injector or two. As far as Gray's Powersmoke - I sent Gray to see Mac Jacobson, the best diesel mechanic I know, and Mac drove it, and thought it seemed fine, and he sent Gray away with a couple of cans of LubraMoly diesel purge to run through the engine. (And it's occurred to me that running LubraMoly on a regular basis through any engine running WVO/SVO - single-tank or two-tank - isn't a bad idea, just in case you might be getting a little injector coking. Either that, or pull the injectors regularly to check 'em.) Craig girl mark wrote: I don't remember where I got that info- I thought it was standard thinking on svo conversion but that some people didn't pay attention to it, hence Gray's problems that he thinks might be due to long-term effect of incomplete flushes. I got my svo education from a whole lot of sources over the last few years, since the beginning of the svo movement here- so it could be old or wrong info if you're not finding it in standard thinking over there now.- I've heard and read so much that I disremember the exact source of where I got that- through several years of going to people's workshops, talking to a lot of people, and being on the vegoil-diesel and other lists, and reading a lot of stuff, both that linked all over the web and put out in print by various kitmakers and other svo enthusiasts. I thought that elsbett gets around all of this via the injector changes- that the higher pressure and different injector nozzles are less sensitive to clogging via cold oil than injectors optimized for petrodiesel are. I was also wondering how elsbett gets around this issue in pumps- though remember that some pumps are built much beefier than others, and that Elsbett doesn't recommend singletank for every vehicle, only some vehicles and some pumps. I think that Gray has one of the engines that elsbett doesn't recommend singletank for, and his power loss/noise/wear problem is eluding the several things he's done to try and diagnose and fix it. somebody certainly correct me if I'm wrong on this gumming issue. mark At 08:49 PM 1/21/2003 +, you wrote: From: girl mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 January 2003 18:41 Girl Mark said: slightly offtopic to what you're talking about above: Since we're talking about viscosity, I want to remind people that besides lowering viscosity and providing low-viscosity fuel for startup, another important function of two-tank systems is flushing any traces of vegetable oil out of your pump and injectors, not just so that the injector pump contains diesel that'll actually get it started while cold, but also so as to prevent vegetable oil from gumming up , oxidizing, or whatever it is it does, when hot oil cools down on parts (can somebody set me straight on which it is if it's not the same thing please?) ... As I said : I'm no chemist or combustion physicist and without more detail it's hard to assess exactly what is going on. I will however make a few comments. I'm not totally sure about the point your making here Mark. When I read this I mentally hung a ? over it, as I don't recall having seen any reports of this and I ment to dig through the info I have to find any references... I haven't had a chance but this has been playing on my mind, all I can add is, what about single tank systems, particualy the well tested Elsbett. What do you base your statement on? Maybe this is something I have missed but I think it is an important area to get straight. I have only occassionally shut down on SVO for long periods, although sometimes I probably don't flush entirely
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
Todd, What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50% of cost is rebated.) Craig Appal Energy wrote: Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP. Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a greenhouse. -- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
James, Another question - the Capstone will run on diesel, which means it *should* run on bioD, and maybe on WVO/SVO if the fuel were heated and subjected to the usual SVO bag o' tricks - but will California give a rebate for alternative fuels when they might recognize that some folks might just claim to be using bioD to get the rebate - then run the thing on dinodiesel? Craig James Slayden wrote: Combined heat and power. There is a rebate on any generating device using alternative fuels, something like $2Kw up to a certain limit. I have the info somewhere. There are rebates on PV, Wind, alternative fuels, and hydro. Lemme look further. BTW, this is only for businesses. James Slayden On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, craig reece wrote: Todd, What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50% of cost is rebated.) Craig Appal Energy wrote: Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP. Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a greenhouse. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT HGTV Dream Home Giveaway Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [HGTV Dream Home Giveaway] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
James, Thanks a bunch - I'll check it out. I have a client who's thinking of installing a diesel genset -which I'd convert to run on WVO, it says here - for his tile warehouse and offices - but if the Capstone turbine would run on bioD or WVO *and* get the State of California rebates, that would be preferable. Hey, and maybe they'll give the rebate even if they think you're going to run it on dinodiesel - if the emissions are so clean. If I find out anything, I'll let the group know. Craig James Slayden wrote: I would assume that to get the credit the setup would have to be verified by the appropiate athorities. Here is some info on the wind and PV credits (last year I believe): http://www.taosgreensolar.com/california_page.htm Wow, I didn't realize that the rebate for PV/Wind/Hydro is $4.50 per watt!! that is quite good. Ah, I found the direct link: http://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/ This is the 2003 guidebook which is under revision. ttp://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/documents/2002-12-03_DRAFT_EMERGING.PDF I person I talked to (i called :) I *heart* 1-800 numbers!!) said that the funds are on hold at present and there is a 30 day wait period for both the final guidebook revision and applications to start. The Kw has gone up in various catagories so that businesses can have up to ~100Kw systems installed. Renewable fuels are most likely to be $2.50/Kw credit. Hope that helps, James Slayden Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Vegetable shortening as fuel (was Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability
Robin, Looks like Mark can make biodiesel with it, so you've gotten that answer. In case you're considering using it for a straight vegetable oil conversion, I would say sure to that as well, provided you provide your vehicle with some good dependable in-tank heating. I'd recommend the Webb HotSTK http://www.webb-sales.com/I80.htm (with thanks to motie, who turned us onto this most excellent fuel tank heating device.) Craig Robin Parker wrote: Another question I have: A lot of fast food outlets use vegetable shortening - it's hard at room temperature but melts in the fryers. Can this stuff be used? Robin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [HGTV Dream Home Giveaway] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator
Thanks, Todd. Craig Appal Energy wrote: CHP - Continual Heat Power. Power from direct drive or steam generation. Secondary heat from waste exhaust or spent steam heat exchange and recovery. They probably qualify for a rebate somewhere if you're using landfill gas or biomass (producer gases) or biodiesel as the fuel sources. Multiple models available to run on any feedstock imaginable, fossil fuel or bio. Still a small company spread a bit too thin on human resources and they don't get back to small frys very well, if at all. But they're going places and will be a micro/modular power generation standard in 5 years or less. They are already something of that now, albeit in a small circle. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Injectors, glowplugs for SVO use
Darren, Thanks so much for all of this! Very useful information. Craig Darren wrote: Posted this on yahoogroups vegoil-diesel May be of interest to people here who are not there (?) Darren Hill www.vegburner.co.uk Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: SVO and Gensets (was Re: [biofuel] Batteries ... the power totime converter Was: bio to grid
James, There's one for $1450 - with a 4 speed, which allows it to get out of it's own way - on craig'slist right now. That's a lot more than $500, but it's a one-owner and an '83 (last year made.) I'll send it to you. Craig James Slayden wrote: Craig, You serious about getting a 240D for ~$500 running?!! I have ALWAYS loved those cars!! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: shutdown flush was Re: [biofuel] Vegetable Oil Based Bio FuelChoices
Mark, you wrote:. snip I've found in talking to people about it that this is a point that undertrained people sometimes miss- Gray for instance had a long flush cycle on his truck, and had a number of times and for various reasons shut down (and cooled his truck completely) on an incomplete flush (obviously there are systems including Ed's where this kind of thing is completely eliminated by equipment). This is a good argument for having a dedicated fuel filter for the WVO side. Gray's truck has a mesh-type Racor LFS filter for the WVO, but then the WVO goes to the stock Powerstroke filter for final filtration - and it's a large filter and thus holds lots of WVO, meaning it takes a long time to flush it all out - so in driving home from his jobs, he doesn't get it all flushed out. A combination of a couple of VEG-Therm - Ed's 12V inline fuel heaters - www.biofuels.ca to speed up the initial switchover-to-WVO and a dedicated WVO filter to speed purge times would correct what I call the Short Trip problem - common among city dwellers - whereby they're never able to really run on WVO. Elsbett kits get around this by changing the injector sleeves and needle to give a wider spray pattern, I believe (and they don't build kits for cars with iffy injection pumps). Mercedes people get away with singletank, no-mods svo experiments thanks to driving a severely overbuilt tank of a car, with the corresponding tank of an injection pump. Question: Is there something different about the injector design on a mercedes that also facilitates that uncommon and experimental practice of running unmodified, unconverted mercedes on svo? (Note that elsbett, which customises kits to specific engines of course, still provides for injector modifications in mercedes cars, so their lengthy testing of fuels and engines determined that injector mods were necessary to run singletank even in a mercedes) The inline fuel lift pump of the Mercedes is just way beefy, plus it and the injection pump to which it's connected are lubricated not just by the fuel, as is the case with most other vehicles, but by engine oil - so the fuel is warmed in passing through both of them. And the prechamber design of the Mercedes seems to be a design that will combust cold vegetable oil better than most. But, as you point out, Elsbett supplies - for the singletank Mercedes kits - modified injector nozzle bodies and nozzle valves which have a different spray pattern, plus glowplugs that get hotter and stay on longer via a relay that wires into the stock glowplug relay. Plus fuel heating via both a coolant-fuel heat exchanger and a heated fuel filter. Craig Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
SVO and Gensets (was Re: [biofuel] Batteries ... the power to time converter Was: bio to grid
Curtis, Thanks for that amazingly clear explanation. You've made a compelling case for the place of batteries in a genset-based system. It seems to me that what you've said about gensets need to run at full power- if any kind of fuel mileage is to be had anyway - means that WVO or SVO as fuels for gensets could be problematic - for one, you couldn't preheat the cold vegetable oil with coolant or exhaust heat from the genset, since the engine would be cold most of the time, given that the genset would be cycling on and off frequently. Unless, perhaps, the engine component of the genset was an engine for which Elsbett makes a single-tank kit. Then you'd be able to use WVO, assuming it was clean and prefiltered. Some have suggested a 4 cyl. Mercedes 240D would make a perfect genset engine - they run forever, can be bought fairly cheaply - entire running 240's go for under $500 in the SF Bay Area all the time, Someone on the wastewatts group, I think, once suggested that you could just pull a 240D up near your house, fill the trunk with batteries,wrap copper around the exhaust system for domestic hot water and/or hydronic heating, replace the alternator with a high-amp unit or two - and you'd be all set. Throw an Elsbett on it, and run it on WVO. Or, if you don't really relish the idea of a car that's more or less a permanent feature on the landscape (aka your yard,) you could of course look for an engine sans the car, and build a little shed for the engine, batteries, fuel tank, hot water storage tank, etc. Craig You wrote: u there's one drawback of running a genset 24/7 that you may ... or may not have considered. And that is that a genset is usually geared for producing LARGE amounts of power all the time. snip That's why usually a battery of some kind is used. snip Well, I dunno that's what I think. I thought I'd comment since electronics is also *my* trade. Curtis Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
A salamander is a type of gas-fired restaurant broiler that has an open top - that is, unlike a normal broiler for home use, where the broiler is is the oven, a salamander is a stand-alone broiler with an exposed flame - perfect for warming up cold engine - sort of.. Craig Bryan Fullerton wrote: Sorry to appear ignorant but either the salamander you refer to is not of the coldblooded nature or I really missed the point(laugh) Bryan Fullerton White Knight Gifts www.youcandobusiness.com - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! good points. reminds me of my neighbor who put a salamander under his truck to keep it warm one -30f night. woke up to the sound of fire engines ... Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Radiant heating with (bioD or WVO-fired) radiators (was Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Wasembodied energy)
Caroline, We're planning on heating our house with hydronic (hot water) radiators - plumbed with copper under the (wood) subfloor. Obviously not an option for you - you've already got a hydronically-heated slab. I'm hoping to heat the water with biodiesel or WVO. There are several companies that make hydronic baseboard radiators - and they don't look like the old cast iron steam radiators - they're about 2 thick, and can be ordered in a variety of lengths and heights. One company that makes them is Runtal - http://www.runtalnorthamerica.com/ Most people heat the water with natural gas or propane boilers, but you can also do it with a conventional water heater, either with one dedicated to the hydronic heating, or with an oversized water heater to provide both domestic hot water and hydronic space heating needs. And of course you can pre-heat the water with solar collectors regardless of the type of final heating of the water. Heating with biodiesel or SVO would involve a diesel coolant heater, and I'm in the beginning stages of calculating how large a unit I'd need, but I suspect that a diesel coolant heater would work if it had same BTU's that a hydronic heating engineer or contractor would spec for the boiler or water heater for square footage involved. I'm also looking into using the diesel-fired heat exchanger from a diesel pressure washer for demand-type domestic hot water needs - again with solar collectors for pre-heating the water. And a small and quiet diesel generator (inside a soundproofed and fireproof shed) running on bioD, and eventually WVO, would complete the renewable energy package - maybe with some PV's as well. And of course there's the possibility of capturing some exhaust heat from the generator for some water heating - or to heat the WVO for the generator and/or the coolant heat exchanger so you could run both - after starting the generator on bioD and running it for awhile, then switching over to WVO. Craig You wrote: snip I grew up with old fashioned radiators. These I loved- a warm spot in each room, a place to dry your towels, and the ability to turn on and off each one. I thought this would be a modern version. I think I should have redesigned some radiators using the pex pipe. That way they would have been accessable and improvable if uses changed- (storage areas, become living spaces- some rooms never used but heated anyway because on zone with another used room, etc. ) Caroline Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
Bruce, Funny you should ask. I just asked my local smog guy if he'd check my Mercedes for smog, and he was worried that diesel emissions would plug up his equipment. I plan to call a truck place - I've heard that some of them may have equipment to test for NOx - most smog stations don't, apparently you need a 5 gas analyzer. And you are correct that a catalytic converter or trap oxidizer will lower emissions - specifically NOx, and that veggie diesel - biodiesel or straight vegetable oil - won't plug them like dinodiesel (specifically the sulfur that's added for lubricity - and which veggie fuels don't need, being naturally more slippery.) Mercedes installed trap oxidizers on '85 through '87 diesels, then removed them, free of charge, when they got plugged. On the '87's (and I have an '87) they replaced the (removed) trap oxidizer, which had been in the engine compartment, with an oxidation catalyst which was installed downsteam - before the muffler. I called my local Benz dealer in Oakland, and they wanted around $200 for one - and I'd think that a good muffler shop could install one somewhere in the exhaust system on your Golf. Good luck and let us know what happens. If I find out more about getting baseline smog checks on diesel done, I'll let the Biofuels group know. Craig bruce_leininger wrote: Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Gasoline and Petrol (was Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion
Hakan, What we Americans call gas, or gasoline, the British (and perhaps others) call petrol. Craig Hakan Falk wrote: No, he means gas, since Juan was writing about gas engine. Yes, if you want to run a gasoline engine in injection mode for gas, it will work fine. Only a slight language problem and I am happy that I am not the only foreigner with this. It is some differences between English and Americans on petrol, gas etc.. What is what? Hakan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Corrugated steel roofing (was Re: [biofuel] Embodied energy
Ken, I've built a couple of outbuildings on my lot in Berkeley using corrugated steel roofing, and I just used conventional rafters with purlins - 2x4's in one case, 3x6's in the other - running at right angles to, and on top of, the rafters to support the corrugated. Very easy to do, and the corrugated goes up way quicker than any other kind of roofing. Where in Tuolumne County are you? - I have an engineer friend who's building a rammed earth house in Strawberry. He found the building inspection department very easy to deal with, and he might be able to help you with getting strawbale to fly. You wrote: snip I'm also planning on a steel roof, but I'm not sure what sort of support system to use (e.g., wood truss, steel truss, traditional rafters, etc). snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] electrical pump
James, Try looking under Grainger or call the Berkeley store - it's 510-653-7200. Or www.grainger.com Craig James Slayden wrote: on this note, Mark mentioned that granger is down this way (south bay), but I can't seem to find a listing in the phone book. Anyone know directly their number down here so I can get over there? Thank, James Slayden On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, studio53 wrote: girl mark, I looked at the pump at Grainger. They also sell the head (pump) separate from the motor, so if one already had a motor... What is the RPMs on the you have? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D
Martin, I have an '83 300TD wagon, and it runs great on biodiesel. Just change the clear pre-filter and the large spin-on fuel filter after you've run a couple of tanks of bioD - the bioD with it's excellent solvent action will clean out dinodiesel sludge in your tank and clog your filters. Craig Martin wrote: Does anyone have one, and how does it perform on either biodiesel or SVO? [this has been a test :-) ] --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Wallas stoves on bioD (was Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?
Steve, If you scroll down the page, you'll see that some of the stoves are diesel fueled - and thus should work fine with biodiesel, if not SVO or WVO. The Earthroamer guy has one is his Cummins-based camper. Craig Steve Spence wrote: even with heated vegetable oil, I don't think these will work well. kerosene (paraffin) is lighter than diesel. heated veg oil is thicker than diesel. Steve Spence - Original Message - From: Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil? Hey gang here's the link for the diesel stoves. These things are small so you should be able to fit them in any size camper. They're nice looking too! http://www.wallas.com/WALLAS3E.HTM Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?
Harmon, I just did a search on Yahoo Groups for stoves and stoves and biodiesel and got zip. Could you post the link for the stoves group you mention? Thanks, Craig snip Somebody on the stoves list is building cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and pressurize the SVO first. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Is your business paying to much? Affordable insurance and benefits packages for Less. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jCP0DB/E.mEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Racor question
Claude, You're looking for the LFS series, and they're techcally bypass *oil* filters - and thus in a different catalog/different section of the Racor webpage from the fuel filters. Craig Claude Wheelbarger wrote: Hello all Once upon a time I had a racor filter assembly that I could disassemble, clean and reassemble to filter my next drum of WVO, in the 3 years and 2 moves since I last used it I cannot find it, nor can I find anything close on many of the pages that list Racor filters. I see many that have the clear bottoms and replacable filter cartridges but mine was clear with no cartridge, just a screen down to the micron size I needed (.5 I think) Does anybody have any clues what model I had or where to get another? I have a filter sock but thats nowhere near as handy as putting the WVO in the upper drum, turn on the valve and walk away while it drains into the lower drum. Thanks in advance Claude in Va. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 83 Mercedes 240D as first Biodiesel Test Car
I agree, and the (rare) 5 speed stick will make it a lot livelier than the auto. I'd get it checked out by a good Benz mechanic, and if it's basically ok, I'd snag it quick. Craig houtextml wrote: Hi Group, Had a biodiesel guy at the Austin Renewable Energy Fair tell me he thought the Mercedes 240D was a great little reliable, high milage diesel to use for a first bioD car. What do ya'll think... it's got 200K miles on it and looks and runs good - as far as I can tell. 83 Mercedes 240D, 5spd, a/c, stereo, leather, Must See! $2500 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] fuel line
Jesse, Home Depot sells a braid-reinforced clear PVC in 1/4 and 3/8 ID (and larger sizes) and it will stand up to diesel, biodiesel and SVO/WVO. Charlie Anderson of Greasel Conversions has used it on many conversions and claims it does fine, doesn't get brittle or hard, and will take the heat that SVO/WVO in a heated tank will contain. I just converted a 6.9 Ford F250 and replumbed both supply and return lines to both existing tanks with the stuff, and I used a heat gun to allow me to shove the 1/4 ID stuff over the various steel, brass, ABS and PVC fittings - sometimes lubing them with bioD - and it's very impressive stuff. Wall thickness of over 1/8, and having clear line on everything makes it very easy to track flow and any air in the system. I used the type of hose clamp that isn't cut all the way through - it's easier on the hose - but frankly, the PVC fit all the fitting so tightly that I think they're redundant (not that I wouldn't use them.) For the Land Rover Defender I'm converting, I'm using Earl's stainless braid-protected hose - aircraft and auto racing stuff, with all the trick fittings - but it's a lot more expensive and takes a *lot* longer to assemble the components. Craig studio53 wrote: Since we already have so many people experimenting with biodiesel/SVO/WVO, does anyone know a good source for a roll of 3/8 fuel line? Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Elsbett question - long
Ed, Running out the door, but thanks for your very thorough (as usual) answer! Craig Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote: Craig - . (They do specify new SVO, but I'd be willing to try some good WVO that was water free and well prefiltered) Anyone have any experience and/or opinion on the lack of a 2nd tank issue? Comments: Fine system, but most expensive to buy, install, and use since it requires use of new SVO, and has no provision for use of diesel once the engine is converted over to SVO, AFAIK. If used for what it was designed to - use new vegoil only, it's a very good system of course. Comments: New Canola oil will stay liquid down to at least -10C. WVO won't, and it is more viscous even when it does flow. Probably down to around freezing is the best the same oil is good for once it's been in the fryer a week or so. If you have optimized the engine for more complete combustion of vegoil AND if you use only new, pure, less viscous (compared to WVO) SVO, then likely there's less residue in cylinder at shutdown, so less of a buildup occurs. That's the answer to your question on shutdown without a diesel/biodiesel purge, IMO. But starting on WVO is a bad idea, just by virtue of the fact it is thicker material even if it does flow. WVO in a system designed for SVO would likely lead to poor starts and higher emissions on single-tank cold starts, and more deposits in the cylinder than what the system designers found with the SVO. It would be more strain on the pump, as well, since the pump would be cold on those cold starts and then right away put into use (a load applied, for example, by driving away vegoil right after a cold start), and again WVO would make the problem worse due to its higher viscosity compared to SVO. Heavy footed drivers would add further to the problem. . So again, just IMO, re: single tank/two tank, and general use, and use in cold. Two tank, IMO, is best, for low initial cost, for flexibility, for starting out, for use with weaker pumps, for use with WVO. Electric or hybrid electric/coolant (underhood coolant operated heater, not HIHMAYBE hose-ON-hose, MAYBE an undertank loop or very good in-tank loop that is as failsafe as possible) ... gives maximum utility at lowest cost of material and cost/ease of installation. Single toggle switch is simplest operation. Optionally, a vacuum gauge gives good indication of filter condition. Separate filter provides redundancy in case of a filter plug. Six port gives flexibility for loop/no loop provides for purging of air simply, Overall ease of operation, installation, reliability. Larger diameter SVO line reduces load on pump, improves fuel delivery, performance. Tank heaters are needed mostly overnight, so 110V/230V (on a timer perhaps)...not 12V. - plug in a battery blanket around tank - it only has to be kept warm, you should be using a block heater anyway so should be near an overnight plugin or inside in a semi-warm garage. Plug it in, at tank and block heater ends. At work all day and no plug? Insulate SVO tank and lines well. Run a blend of some sort if its getting too cold for the WVO. Run lines inside if you wish. Finally, run good old winter diesel for start/stop, and biodiesel or some blend in the SVO tank, if the temps go to Man, is it ever C-C-COLD out! Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc Neoteric Biofuels Inc. Located in the Okanagan Valley, British Columbia, Canada 1-250-768-3169 Fax: 1-250-768-3118 Toll-Free (Canada/USA): 1-866-768-3169 http://www.biofuels.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, Craig Reece Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Elsbett question - long
Thanks, Keith. You've heard first-hand reports, I take it? Craig Keith Addison wrote: Ed Beggs wrote: Craig - . (They do specify new SVO, but I'd be willing to try some good WVO that was water free and well prefiltered) Anyone have any experience and/or opinion on the lack of a 2nd tank issue? Comments: Fine system, but most expensive to buy, install, and use since it requires use of new SVO, and has no provision for use of diesel once the engine is converted over to SVO, AFAIK. Well, you got that all wrong, except that it's a fine system - probably the only really mature system: switch on and go, stop switch off, as with any other fuel, and therefore acceptable to all drivers. Anyway, the Elsbett system costs from about US$740, it's not expensive to install, and it will run on SVO, petro-diesel, biodiesel, or any blend of the three. And yes, Craig, you're quite safe running it on good WVO, water-free and well prefiltered. I don't blame Elsbett for not covering it in their warranty though, who knows what sort of muck people might try to run it on if they did, a real can of worms that would be. You know the difference, many people don't. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Elsbett question - long
Sorry for the cross-posting. Can anyone explain how Elsbett's one-tank system gets around the injector coking (and possible ring land coking) problems that will, most claim, surely occur without the dinodiesel or biodiesel flushing at shutdown that can (obviously) only happen with a two-tank system? What I understand of the Elsbett system is that they have you take your injectors to a diesel injection shop and get the pressure cranked up by 5 bars or so, plus have the shop install the injector sleeves Elbettt provides - both of which change the spray pattern and atomization. They also provide you with industrial-stength glowplugs that are hotter and possibly stay on longer (they supply an accumulator + contact (?) that you install in series with the stock glowplug relay) and they say that this glowplug modification heats the pre-injection chamber (and they're obviously talking about indirect-injection engines here) to allow initial startup on vegetable oil. They provide a coolant-heated fuel heater of some kind, and an electrically-heated fuel filter, and provide a shut-off valve to allow the use of a separate backup filter (perhaps the stock one) in case of primary filter clogging - I assume what they're saying is you can return the vehicle to it's stock tank to filter to liftpump to injection pump configuration - a good thing for sure. It all sounds fine (except for the extreme cold weather problems inherent in a system without any form of in-tank heating - and they recommend a 20% dinodiesel / 80% SVO blend in winter) except for the not-flushing aspect, in my opinion. But - they have a good reputation - what little we hear about them in the US is good anyway - and I'd love to think a single-tank system could work. (They do specify new SVO, but I'd be willing to try some good WVO that was water free and well prefiltered) Anyone have any experience and/or opinion on the lack of a 2nd tank issue? Thanks in advance, Craig Reece Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] McDonald to use healthier oil
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Re: [biofuel] SVO
I wouldn't worry about the solids content - you can buy filters from Greasel - www.greasel.com or Neoteric - www.biofuels.ca that filter down to .5 micron. Low water content would be nice, but you could always heat the oil to drive off the water. Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm looking for bulk low grade unused SVO to use direct and am wondering about how to specify the quality. I imagine that the oil should be free of solids down to (10 microns?) and that the water content should be low. Or should it? Any coments on what I should be specifying? James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Filter source (was Re: WVO for heat, preliminary results
Jess, I think the best filters out there are the .5 micron bag or sock filters that Greasel sells - www.greasel.com Craig you wrote: snip Speaking of filters, I think there is a good source for the 5 micron filters somewhere relatively cheap, I saw it somewhere on one of the forums, I forget which, but as long as you're filtering and also using the standard oil filter setup on a HO furnace, then I don't think you can go wrong. Don't know if you know it, but the is ALSO a filter in the nozzle, a fine mesh screen, and well as one in the fuel pump, well mine at least. That's four filters before it gets to the end of the nozzle. If something gets through after that, then it's an act of God. Jess Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Biox info
This was posted to the Mercedes diesel mailing list today: Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Biox plant (again)
Let's try this: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:30:56 -0400 From: David Bruckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [DIESEL] Re: Biodiesel... Gang, I recently went to tour the Biox (http://www.bioxcorp.com/) biodiesel plant near Toronto. Their process is quite different from the usual methanol/lye system. They can accept any input, from rendered animal fat to pure vegetable oil. The cetane values are too high to measure, over 80 at a minimum, the flashpoint (300F) is way higher than standard diesel (125F), and there's no washing of the output required. Sunoco is interested because their tar sands-derived diesel fuels require cetane boosters to be legal for sale. Just a little bit of the Biox-process biodiesel will dramatically raise the cetane values. Biox use a completely unique co-solvent process with complete recovery of the catalyst materials (essentially no trace catalysts left in the output, so no danger to injection pumps etc.). No hazmats are used in the process, and the whole reaction is 99% complete in ten minutes at ambient temperatures and pressures. They are actually going after the rendering plant market; the value of rendered animal products has dropped from 40 cents/lb to 4 cents/lb since it is basically no longer acceptable to include rendered animal products in animal feed. The idea is that a rendering plant can use the biodiesel system to process the fats into heat for the plant, fuel for the trucks, and glycerol, which has a higher market value than the rendered fats that comprise it. The cost of producing a litre of biodiesel using the Biox process is about 0.08 cents/litre, making it competitive with petro diesel. As others have pointed out, B100 reduces hydrocarbon emissions by up to 80%, and CO and soot by 50%. There is NO evidence that vegetable oils have less energy density than petroleum oils. A number of large PUC and city governments in Ontario and PQ are using B100 in the summer, B20 in the winter, for all their diesel equipment and vehicles. The only remaining hurdle is winter. Vegetable and animal-based fats tend to solidify earlier than petro, so it's still necessary to use a B20 or lower mixture when it get's really cold. I'm sure that if even a tiny fraction of the money thrown at petro extraction were turned towards solving the biodiesel cold flow problem, B100 would be viable in all climates. Additional resources: http://www.biodieselnow.com/ D. __ To unsubscribe: see http://lists.mbz.org/diesel/ Archives are at http://lists.mbz.org/diesel/archives/ MBZ.ORG official parts vendor: http://parts.catalog.mbz.org eBay specials: http://ebay.mbz.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Flush oil (was Re: [biofuel] Where?
James, Flush oil is what oilseed pressers - factories where they make oil from various oil-bearing seeds or nuts - use to clean out the residue of the last oilseed from the presses. For example - if they've been making olive oil, and are changing to Canola, they will run *hundreds of gallons* of *new* Canola oil through the presses to get out all traces of the olive oil - since they can't sell Canola that's got any olive oil in it. But they also can't sell this flush oil as Canola, because it's got olive oil in it. So they pay to have it hauled away by rendering companies - who make dogfood or chickenfeed out of it. Therefore, they will be very happy to give it to you - or sell it for a lot less than new oil - or new diesel. So all you have to do is find the nearest oilseed presser - before all the other SVO'ers and biodiesels in the area do. At some point, the rendering companies will be outbid by commercial biodiesel guys, but until then. Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you tell me what flushing oil is please ? James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Looking for new transportation (was SUV's onbiofuel)
Keith, I forgot to add - thanks to you for putting this together, and thanks to Joe and Jesse. Craig Keith Addison wrote: Thanks much Craig, Joe and Jesse I put it all together. Did I get it right? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Where?
Keith and Ed, It was tedious to read it as prose, but the content was interesting to anyone who cares about either biodiesel or SVO/WVO. Good points were made my both of you. On the SVO/WVO in direct-injection engines - I have a friend and neighbor who's been running SVO in his '97 Ford Powerstroke for about 6 months. - (new flush oil - mostly olive, canola, almond and safflower that we've intermixed and pre-filtered to .5 microns) He's got about 6000 miles on it now, with no problems - with a 2nd heated tank, and starting and stopping on biodiesel, mostly. That's not the 200,000 miles you'd like to see Kieth, and he knows he's being a guinea pig for the cause, but so far so good. He's using the Greasel system. Oh, and we got the flush oil for free. So the choices for SVO/WVO arent' limited to two - used frenchfry grease or new bulk cooking oil - there is flush oil out there for the taking. But if I were to use WVO, I'd pre-heat it if there was any hint of water in it, and of course pre-filter it to .5 micron. Both Greasel - www.greasel.com and Neoteric - www.biofuels.ca sell filters for this purpose. If you pre-filter to finer than your vehicle's fuel filters, they are mostly redundant - useful if a bee flies into your tank while you're fillin' up, say. I have yet to get my converted Land Rover completed yet - but that's a direct-injection engine - the 300 Tdi, and I'm heating the 25 gallon tank without hose-in-hose - by means of a Webb HotSTK - http://www.webb-sales.com/product_fueltank.htm and keeping the fuel supply and return lines hot via hose-on-hose - that is, by piggybacking them to the (annealed stainless) coolant lines to and from the Webb. Plus I'm using Ed's VEG-Therm - www.biofuels.ca to add heat - since the research suggests that direct-injection engines prefer very hot SVO. And I'm using Racor's heated fuel filters to protect against the dreaded wax crystals, and the primary filter has a water-alert sensor with an idiot light on the dash. I'll report back in after I've actually driven the thing on SVO, just so I don't get accused of being an armchair theorist. Craig Keith Addison wrote: I've responded to Ed Beggs offlist so as not to bore list members any further with what rapidly became a tedious argument. My apologies. Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Looking for new transportation (was SUV's onbiofuel)
Keith, I'll take a shot at this. I'll start with new cars - I think that's what you're actually asking, and the list is (much) shorter. Leading the pack are the VW Tdi offerings - the Jetta sedan and wagon, the Golf, and the New Beetle. I think that Mercedes no longer sells a diesel in the US. I think that's it, believe it or not (again.) SUV's - the only one, I think, is the Ford Excursion. As far as I know, 1999 was the last year for diesel Suburbans - but I could be wrong on that. Pretty pitiful, no? Used - in descending order, roughly, of numbers extant in the US: VW Tdi's - Jetta, Beetles, Golfs, and the mid-90's Tdi Passat wagons (and maybe Passat sedans - not sure about that.) Mercedes diesel sedans and wagons - with the most plentiful years and models being the '81 to '85 300D, SD and SDL followed closely by the earlier 300D's and 240D's. The 300's were 5 cylinder, with the later one's turboed, the 240's were all 4 cylinder (I think) and non-turbo. I have an '87 300TD wagon, which has the relatively rare 6 cylinder engine. That same 6 was in the SD (big body) sedans from '87 on. Then there's the 190D's which have a non-turbo 4 - except for some later ones that may have a turbo. In the 90's the 300D sedans and the 300TD wagons went back to a 5 cylinder turboed engine, and the SD continued for awhile with the 6. All of them are wonderful candidates for vegetable oil. VW non-Tdi turbodiesels and non-turbos, including Jettas, Golf, Rabbits, and the occasional Quantum and Dasher. The first diesel Rabbits appeared around 1979 or so, I think. BMW diesels - the 524TD or 528TD in, I think, 1985 only. Very rare, but the 6 cyl. engine is supposed to be very good. The same engine was used, believe it or not, in the mid-80's Lincoln Town Car - also very rare. Volvo diesels - and the engine doesn't have a very good reputation. Peugeot diesels - the turbodiesel as found in the 505 sedans and wagons was a good engine, the non-turbo as installed in the 504 was pokey, and they are all very rare now. That's about it, except for the very very occasional Toyota Camry diesel, Nissan diesel car, etc. SUV's include, besides the 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesel Suburbans, the odd diesel Scout, diesel Isuzu trooper, and, per the recent thread, Toyota Land Cruisers brought in from Canada. And pre-74 Land Rovers with the 4 cyl. 2.5 non-turbo diesel engine. And I'm sure I've forgotten something, but that's most of it anyway. Craig You wrote: Does anyone know of a list of diesel cars that are available in the US? I guess that should include SUVs etc, as well as imports of course. Thanks Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/RN.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets
I haven't added anything to this thread, but I'm in the process of
changing the gas-guzzlin' V8 in my Land Rover Defender to the Land Rover
300 Tdi, with a 2nd heated tank for straight vegetable oil. And there
are a few SUV's out there that come stock with diesel engines -
Suburbans with the 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesel being probably the most
plentiful, but out there but more rare are things like diesel Isuzu
Troopers, diesel International Scouts, etc.
I even ran across a diesel Toyota Land Cruiser for sale the other day -
an '82 FJ60, originally from Canada.
Craig
Kim Garth Travis wrote:
Curtis Sakima wrote:
Take a HOSE and WASH out the inside now THERE'S a
vehicle I would support!!
Just be careful of the time of year! I did it to a van
once that seriously needed it but it took dragging it to a
heated garage to thaw out the door so they would open. I was a 1973
ford E100, short box, with a 300 six in it. Got great gas mileage,
hauled anything, [I was a courier] and in the summer it was easy to
clean. I would love to be able to buy something like that again.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?
Christopher, I agree with whoever - Steve, I think, that The Vitalizer looks like a scam. The AutoEngineLube device is something that would be useful, I think. I had a friend who worked on big diesel trucks, and some of them had no glow plugs - they started by cranking only. He claimed that when they tore down one of these engines, there was a lot less wear - which he assumed was because they were cranked for a long time before being started - thus assuring oil pressure. Moroso makes something called an oil accumulator that is similar to the AutoEngineLube device - it stores a couple of quarts of oil, which it releases in the event of sudden loss of oil pressure - but you can also open a gate valve on the tank prior to starting the engine to pre-lube the engine. The fact that the AutoYaddayadda does this automatically via a solenoid makes it much easier to use, of course. Propane injection is to diesel engines as nitrous oxide is to gasoline engines. It provides power, but with some loss of engine life, depending on how you use it. It definitely works. Better, for adding power, I've heard, is water injection or water-alcohol injection - since they cool the intake charge, they will lower EGT's (exhaust gas temperatures) and keep the tops of your pistons from melting with the increased power. Water injection and water-alcohol injection has been discussed here before, so best to search the archives before starting a new thread, but a company that sells water injection kits is here: http://www.aquamist.co.uk/ Craig You wrote: I'm interested in any learned opinions on the following items. snip The Vitalizer claims to increase fuel efficiency by 5-21% and reduce pollution by 25-66% http://www.help-our-environment.com/ AutoEngineLube kit claims to save wear and tear on the engine by pre-lubing bearings even before the engine starts to turn over. http://www.autoenginelube.com/ The following three links are all for add-on kits to enable the injection of propane (I'm sure methane would work similarly if one had a supply of it) via the engine air intake; the result is supposed to be near-perfect combustion of the diesel fuel with correspondingly better fuel efficiency, greater power and lower pollution . . . http://www.tsperformanceproducts.com/propane.asp http://www.usdieselparts.com/bullydog.htm http://www.dieselperformanceproducts.com/home.html snip Thanks! Christopher Witmer Tokyo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/RN.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets
Keith, You are so right about the diesel car and truck situation in the US. VW Tdi's we have, and they are wonderful, and of course pickups and the landwhale known as the Excursion are available with diesels, but no smaller SUV's. And you are also so right about the lousy dinodiesel available here. All the more reason to go biodiesel, SVO or WVO. Craig Keith Addison wrote: Oh, btw, there's also diesel Nissan Pathfinders. I came across that while studying Nissan's VIN number meanings. In the Pathfinder series there is an engine choice of diesel. Curtis I think most serious 4x4s come with a diesel option. But not in the US. The Mercedes G has a great diesel version, at least one, but it seems not in the US. All the more serious Japanese 4x4s have diesel options. Jeeps come with diesels, in Europe and I think here in Japan too, but apparently not in the US. You guys really have to do something about your diesel-bashers! Detroit's willing, for a change, maybe they could use a little help. And are you really going to wait another four years, at least, before you get some decent fuel? Other than biodiesel, that is. That US petro-diesel is terrible stuff. Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/RN.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?[Dns error]
Yes - I even did a search for phrannie, batteries on Google, got a bucha hits, all to other phrannie pages, and all were dead links. Craig Neil and Adele Craven wrote: anyone else get a DNS error for this page? Neil http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
How Kieth (probably) found acronym site (was Re: [biofuel] Websites Was: Code
Curtis, Answering for Keith while not wishing to detract one bit from the praise due him for his awesome research skills: I opened Google, my favorite search engine, and typed acronym into the search field, and got several hits for acronym websites. Try it and you'll see. Craig Curtis Sakima wrote: Hey Keith ... remember the web site which had the definition of Troll?? That website ... and the acronym one you mentioned below . where the HELL do you find these SITES???!!! shaking my head in absolute amazement at some of the resources that you've discovered, Curtis --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive my ignorance but could someone please complete the following... IMHO - FWIW - OTOH - IMO - LOL - BS - TIA (Thanks in advance) James http://www.acronymfinder.com/ Acronym Finder: Look up 241,000+ acronyms/abbreviations their definitions Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/7dY7FD/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Water injection again (was Re: AW: WATER INJECTION and diesel
Keith, I was out of town, just checked my older email threads - and found this. The systems (Aqua-Mist is the one I've seen explained on the web) seem pretty simple, and I think they're good for power and cooling - I don't remember seeing anything about lowering emissions. My understanding is that a diesel engine running on biodiesel or SVO/WVO is putting out almost nothing but NOx, and a trap oxidized gets most of that - and most of the soot, which is usually greatly reduced due to more complete combustion than dinodiesel. And since it's the sulfur in dino that kills trap oxidizers, they'll last a long time with bio or SVO. Craig Keith Addison wrote: Hello Craig I missed this post at Biofuels-biz at the time somehow, just seen it now. Tut tut... Thanks very much, very interesting. Still not sure about it, it's complex - a mist via injection with the air vs water in the fuel that gets misted anyway when it's injected with the rest of the fuel? Most of the work on fuel emulsions seems to be focusing on emissions reductions more than increased combustion efficiency. Would you perhaps get both effects? regards Keith Keith, Check out http://www.aquamist.co.uk/dc/dc.html and click on the References button, which will direct you to some research paper links on water injection in diesel engines. I think that while water in your dinodiesel, biodiesel, SVO or WVO is a bad thing, and the reason that Racor and most OEM filters have a draincock for water, water injection is a different animal - and cools the charge the same as it does in a gasoline engine. I've heard of folks using it successfully in diesels, sometimes with alcohol-water, sometimes just water, and it adds power - by allowing you to turn up the boost, or just drive at WOT (wide open throttle) up long grades - while monitoring EGT's (exhaust gas temps) via a pyrometer, hopefully - without overheating the engine. By alcohol, I mean whatever they put in windshield washer solvent for anti-freeze - isopropyl maybe? Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Motorcycles ?
I did a Google search on them once, and there's an company in India that makes them, and the British Army is working on one, and someone's working on a diesel/electric hybrid motorcycle. Craig Greg and April wrote: I just had a thought, does anyone know of a motorcycle that uses diesel, instead of gas ? Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel and turbos
I'm running commercial biodiesel in my '87 Mercedes 3L turbodiesel, and it loves it. The turbo is oiled by the engine oil, so using a good synthetic diesel oil (I use Mobil's Delvac I) and letting the engine warm up a little before hammering the turbo, and cool down a minute before your shut off the engine if you've been driving at freeway speeds is the best way to get long life from your turbo. Craig craig fairley wrote: gudday has anyone tried biodiesl in a turbo vehicle and does it have any adverse effects [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fw: Drivers License Database - This is Scary!!!
That *is* scary! Craig Greg and April wrote: Big Brother at his worst. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Lynda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 00:22 Subject: Fw: Drivers License Database This is really scary. Now you can see anyone's Drivers License on the Internet, including your own! I just searched for mine and there it was, picture and all. I don't think this is a good idea at all!!! I think we should write our congressperson! Go to: http://www.license.shorturl.com/ Lynda Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW One-Liter (239 mpg)
The VW Jetta, Golf and New Beetle with the 1.9L Tdi diesel engine and the 5-speed trans, gets, in the real world, 40-50 mpg *average* according to those on the VW-Tdi Yahoo Group. Sometimes on long trips, they get over 50 - and these mileages are driving at 70-75 when on the highway. I'm sure if you drove like there was an egg under the accelerator pedal, on a long roadtrip without a lot of hills, you could get 55 mpg or more. Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the 3-liter-per-100-km car of which they speak, the lupo? I've heard the Lupo is something like 80 mpg with a turbodiesel but not available here, but I've also heard that some of their vehicles available here get amazing mileage (no specifics given to me). So maybe a bug, for example, equipped with a Diesel or TurboDiesel, if available here, would get great mileage, near the 3 liter goal. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Take the Yahoo! Groups survey for a chance to win $1,000. Your opinion is very important to us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NOFBfD/uAJEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] MPG with the VW Tdi Jetta, etc.(was VW One-Liter (239 mpg)
Todd, Thanks for the report and the tips? Do you have one yet? Craig Appal Energy wrote: Craig, Keeping with the practice of low end shifting, eyes front deceleration as an accentuated braking method rather than accelerating to stops, and highway speeds of seldom to never over 55 mph, any new Jetta or Golf will get 52-55 combined city and highway right off the showroom floor. Switching to synthetic crankcase oil will improve the mileage another ~5%. Self restraint is mandatory. Eggs are optional. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] VW One-Liter (239 mpg) The VW Jetta, Golf and New Beetle with the 1.9L Tdi diesel engine and the 5-speed trans, gets, in the real world, 40-50 mpg *average* according to those on the VW-Tdi Yahoo Group. Sometimes on long trips, they get over 50 - and these mileages are driving at 70-75 when on the highway. I'm sure if you drove like there was an egg under the accelerator pedal, on a long roadtrip without a lot of hills, you could get 55 mpg or more. Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Take the Yahoo! Groups survey for a chance to win $1,000. Your opinion is very important to us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NOFBfD/uAJEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: AW: [biofuels-biz] WATER INJECTION and diesel
Keith, Check out http://www.aquamist.co.uk/dc/dc.html and click on the References button, which will direct you to some research paper links on water injection in diesel engines. I think that while water in your dinodiesel, biodiesel, SVO or WVO is a bad thing, and the reason that Racor and most OEM filters have a draincock for water, water injection is a different animal - and cools the charge the same as it does in a gasoline engine. I've heard of folks using it successfully in diesels, sometimes with alcohol-water, sometimes just water, and it adds power - by allowing you to turn up the boost, or just drive at WOT (wide open throttle) up long grades - while monitoring EGT's (exhaust gas temps) via a pyrometer, hopefully - without overheating the engine. By alcohol, I mean whatever they put in windshield washer solvent for anti-freeze - isopropyl maybe? Craig You wrote: Thankyou Camillo. Sorry, yes, no entry for the Austrian standard under Water. The other standards range from 200 (Czech) to 700 (Italy), with the US ASTM PS121-99 at 0.05% (the new ASTM D-6751 standard says water and sediment 0.050 max % volume). Good to know it doesn't make a lot of sense, and why. Regards Keith All the standards are here, by the way (except ASTM D-6751), and much besides: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#biodstds Comment on various national biodiesel standards set rather low tolerances for water content: The Austrian Standard ONORM C 1191 said only: No water should settle out (i.e. about 1200ppm water would stay in solution in our FAME.) All others bother about 500 and even 300 ppm (DIN), which is nonsense IMO, as FAME is hygroscopic and will attrack humidity from air until it is back to 1200ppm. Means, in your car you will have anything but 300ppm. Anyway, our new plant in Zistersdorf, Austria, had 54 ppm in the last analysis. :-) Camillo Holecek Energea Umwelttechnologie GmbH, Biodiesel Raffinerie GmbH, DonauWind GmbHCo KG -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Mai 2002 14:41 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [biofuels-biz] WATER INJECTION and diesel Keith, I recall a series of postings on your other group (I unsubscribed due the volume) dealing with misters. I thought there was some for diesels too? Regards Dave Hello Dave, how're you doing? Yes, people were working with Ron Novak's device, with good results. But I don't think any of them were diesels - it works with the carburettor. The same principle should apply to diesels though, shouldn't it? Any ideas? Though all the various national biodiesel standards set rather low tolerances for water content. Regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel]
I would second that, and recommend the non-Tdi 5.9 Cummins - being indirect-injection, it's a slam-dunk for SVO or WVO, and it's MFI (mechanical fuel injection) and doesn't have near the electronics the later 24-valve Tdi 5.9 has. Plus they're cheaper used - and if well-treated by the former owner, high mileage on the engine is nothing to worry about. Craig Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote: Dodge. on 5/13/02 11:49 AM, kirk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of the big three (Ford, Chevy, GMC) which diesel is the one to buy? Kirk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Image] Height: ftin Weight: Sex:FM Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Biodiesel bumpersticker?
Anyone know where to buy some? Thanks, Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel bumpersticker?
Anyone know where to buy some? Thanks, Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel bumpersticker?
Thanks! Craig Ryan Morgan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email this guy, he has a few to choose from. Cheers, Ryan Morgan Tempe, AZ -Original Message- From: craig reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:57 AM To: Biodiesel; Biofuel; Biofuels-Biz Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel bumpersticker? Anyone know where to buy some? Thanks, Craig Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Click Here!] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] More free energy (maybe)
Keith, You wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1951000/1951406.stm BBC News 25 April, 2002 Universe in 'endless cycle' Get your head around this: the Universe had no beginning and it will have no end. I've always thought that it's easier to conceptualize a universe with no beginning and no end - a universe that always was here and always will be - than to try to wrap one's head arounf the notion of a finite universe. The perculiarly Western notion of a spark in the mud that started the chemical reactions that led to organic life answers one question (how did life originate?) but raises more questions - such as where did the mud come from? (and what about the spark?) Alan Watts wrote that the Eastern philosophies regard the notion of beginnings or creation as fundamentally flawed - to ask how did Something come out of Nothing fails to recognize the essential inter relatedness of the two - and the proper question is: How did Something-and-Nothing (hyphenated to show their total inter relatedness - two sides of the same coin) come out of What? With the obvious subtext that whatever Something-and-Nothing (aka our material universe) arose out of something that always was here and always will be.. I return you to you regularly scheduled programming. Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] More free energy (maybe)
I quote from the BBC News article: In the standard picture, it's presumed that the Big Bang is actually a beginning of space and time; that there was nothingness, and then suddenly out of nothingness there sprang space, time, matter, radiation, etcetera. It's this notion of the entire universe springing out of nothingness that's harder for me to get my head around than to get it around the idea that something has always been here and always will be. Craig craig reece wrote: Keith, You wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1951000/1951406.stm BBC News 25 April, 2002 Universe in 'endless cycle' Get your head around this: the Universe had no beginning and it will have no end. I've always thought that it's easier to conceptualize a universe with no beginning and no end - a universe that always was here and always will be - than to try to wrap one's head arounf the notion of a finite universe. The perculiarly Western notion of a spark in the mud that started the chemical reactions that led to organic life answers one question (how did life originate?) but raises more questions - such as where did the mud come from? (and what about the spark?) Alan Watts wrote that the Eastern philosophies regard the notion of beginnings or creation as fundamentally flawed - to ask how did Something come out of Nothing fails to recognize the essential inter relatedness of the two - and the proper question is: How did Something-and-Nothing (hyphenated to show their total inter relatedness - two sides of the same coin) come out of What? With the obvious subtext that whatever Something-and-Nothing (aka our material universe) arose out of something that always was here and always will be.. I return you to you regularly scheduled programming. Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Cosmological stuff (was More free energy (maybe)
Will do. Craig Kris Book wrote: If you guys can't stop discussing religion, at least change the subject line so that those who are willing to follow the rules can simply delete these off topic posts. --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Maine BioDiesel
Thanks! My wife heard it on the radio yesterday, I missed it - and just listened to it! Craig MH wrote: Biodiesel in the state of Maine - Public Radio broadcast, USA. Read the report Living on Earth http://www.loe.org Archives 2002 Archives April 19, 2002 -or- listen to it (6:30 minutes) Real Player http://www.haa.harvard.edu/ath/video/0419022of10.ram MP3 http://www.loe.org/audio/020419/020419biodiesel.mp3 ÷÷÷ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Shelf life
Todd, I was actually asking if it's your opinion that SVO and/or WVO were immune to algae buildup. Craig Appal Energy wrote: Craig, Biodiesel can be subject to algae buildup. But it also has a considerably long shelf life when treated properly. I haven't had the occasion or need to utilize a biocide as of yet. But about the time we start storing fuel in a 100 bbl tank you can bet the problem will begin to crop up. We are considering picking up a high pressure washer that is biodiesel compatible to clean the tank prior to putting biodiesel in it. Between 1/2 and 3/4 of an inch of parafin, varnish and other junk clinging to the sides. Could use the same washer for cleaning the tanks of customers as well. The trick is how to handle the solid waste that comes off the sides. Chances are it could be adequately consumed in a used oil furnace or boiler, such as http://www.cleanburn.com/ These units also burn veg oil and come with a fuel tank pre-heater. Todd Swearingen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Shelf life
Thanks again. Craig Appal Energy wrote: Craig, I couldn't say they are immune. WVO would initially be more prone, as it comes in from the restaurants mixed with water from fryer cleanouts at day's end. I couldn't speak as to whether or not any particular biocide would be functional with either feedstock. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: craig reece To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Shelf life Todd, I was actually asking if it's your opinion that SVO and/or WVO were immune to algae buildup. Craig Appal Energy wrote: Craig, Biodiesel can be subject to algae buildup. But it also has a considerably long shelf life when treated properly. I haven't had the occasion or need to utilize a biocide as of yet. But about the time we start storing fuel in a 100 bbl tank you can bet the problem will begin to crop up. We are considering picking up a high pressure washer that is biodiesel compatible to clean the tank prior to putting biodiesel in it. Between 1/2 and 3/4 of an inch of parafin, varnish and other junk clinging to the sides. Could use the same washer for cleaning the tanks of customers as well. The trick is how to handle the solid waste that comes off the sides. Chances are it could be adequately consumed in a used oil furnace or boiler, such as http://www.cleanburn.com/ These units also burn veg oil and come with a fuel tank pre-heater. Todd Swearingen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] One-person boycott
You could convert a diesel engine to run on SVO (straight vegetable oil) and/or WVO (waste vegetable oil, aka restaurant grease) and run a diesel generator at home, on SVO/WVO to charge your batteries (in conjunction with solar cells and solar hot water heating for both normal hot water and radiant baseboard heat or radiant heating in a concrete slab) *and* capture some of the exhaust heat from the generator for water heating. It has been suggested that a Mercedes 240D (pre-'81 or '82 were non-turbo and thus very simple) could be parked at your house, trunk filled with batteries for most electrical needs in the house, with higher loads being handled by a generator, then capture the exhaust heat for heating water. In N. California you can find running MB 240's for under $1000. VW Rabbits for about the same. Craig Reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been on this list for a few months now and check the posts every once in a while. I'm interested in biofuels, but mostly I have a question for all of you and I welcome any feedback. If you were an average non-technical person in an oil-based society like the United States, and you wanted to personally boycott fossil fuel and especially foreign oil, what would you do? What would be the way that ONE person could get off the oil at the lowest cost? How would you, using available technology, power yourself in heat, light, transportation and etcetera, without fossil fuels? What would be the steps that you'd take? I would really like to do this. First of all, I'd just like to do it; but I'd also like to show other people that it can be done. I KNOW it can be done, I just don't know how it can be done. Does anyone here have any ideas about this? Thanks very much, c [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Click Here!] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] One-person boycott
You could paint the car and the hubcaps to match your house - or paint your house to match the 240! Craig Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote: Am excellent use for old 240's they look nice in the driveway, too. ;-) Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO
Kieth, You wrote: That'll be a nice Landie - you're using the Lucas/CAV pump, eh? Interesting. I hope you'll keep us advised. Did you consider the Iveco engine? One hears good reports. The 300 Tdi uses the Bosch rotary pump - a better canditdate for vegetable oil, it seems, that the Lucas/CAV. And I didn't consider the Iveco, or any other non-Land Rover engine - even though many of them have more power - the ease of converting to another Land Rover product convinced me to go with the 300 Tdi. As far as the filtering question, I think that pre-filtering with Greasel's .5 micron pre-filters should allow the Racor LFS28 work, ok, and the amount of work involved in pre-filtering is nothing compared to the work involved in making biodiesel, plus anyone who's using WVO had better do some kind of prefiltering prior to adding the stuff to the tank, lest they be clogging the vehicle filters with chunks o' onion rings, so why not use the .5 filter? (And the total pre-filtering program is: filter with some kind of fairly coarse filter as part of your grease-gathering apparatus, let the collected grease settle, so that larger goobers fall to the bottom, then filter that through the .5 micron pre-filter prior to adding the grease to the vehicle's fuel tank. I'll let Charlie or someone else field the wax crystals question, but I know Charlie's in Missouri where it certainly gets cold enough for wax crystals to form, and he's running been running several Greasel-converted vehicles there for some time with no problems, so maybe the LFS 28 isn't prone to wax crystal problems. As far as West Marine's Baja Fuel Filter and it's suitability for both WVO filtering and in biodiesel production - I don't know yet. My guess it might be a little slow for bio production. And thanks again for the excellent webpage. Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New BioD convert/vehicle choice help.
Jonathan, I've got an '86 Ford F250 with the 6.9L diesel engine, and it's a great truck and a great engine, and easy to convert to SVO/WVO, given that it's already got two tanks. Biodiesel you'd just have to change the hoses from natural rubber to Viton or similar, and my local Ford Truck Center *says* that the injector pump seals are Viton - I'd ask around if I were you. Craig Jonathan Pennington wrote: I'm so glad I found you all! After years of motorcycle travel for fuel economy and city driving, I find myself in need of a cage vehicle. I promised myself that the next vehicle would be ecologically responsible (I'm an environmental geologist) and fretted when I realized I needed a truck. Hard to talk about non-point source pollution in ground water and atmospheric pollution from less than adequate gas mileage when I drive a truck. Then I searched and found the JourneyToForever site. Can't believe that I didn't know about BioD before! I feel like I've been asleep :-) I'm still looking for a truck, and wanted to ask truck owners as I see possibilities. Are there any Ford F250 owners about who have a mid-80s truck on BioD? I found one 86 for $3500- in my price range- and wanted to know if it would need expensive rubber replacement and about what that costs. It's been very hard finding diesel vehicles here (Coastal South Carolina, USA) in my price range. New trucks cost way too much. If anyone happens to know of any leads, let me know. Also, is there anyone in the southeast US on this list? It'd be nice to meet some people. Thanks all, I'll be around. -J -- Jonathan Pennington | [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's hard to take life too seriously when you realize yours is a joke. -original Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New BioD convert/vehicle choice help.
If the truck seems otherwise well-cared for, and the price reflects the (high) mileage, I'd definitely consider it - but I'd take it to a good diesel mechanic and pay them to check out the whole truck. Mine had 200K when I bought it, has almost 300K now, and it still runs fine and uses no oil. Diesels do run longer. Craig Hall, Edward C. wrote: If one where looking at a used mid 80's F250 (diesel of course), would 200K miles be considered high mileage or what? I've heard that the diesel engine lives longer, in some cases as much as 500K mi. Since I've never owned one, I don't know if this is typical or an exaggeration. Ed -Original Message- From: craig reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:52 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] New BioD convert/vehicle choice help. Jonathan, I've got an '86 Ford F250 with the 6.9L diesel engine, and it's a great truck and a great engine, and easy to convert to SVO/WVO, given that it's already got two tanks. Biodiesel you'd just have to change the hoses from natural rubber to Viton or similar, and my local Ford Truck Center *says* that the injector pump seals are Viton - I'd ask around if I were you. Craig Jonathan Pennington wrote: I'm so glad I found you all! After years of motorcycle travel for fuel economy and city driving, I find myself in need of a cage vehicle. I promised myself that the next vehicle would be ecologically responsible (I'm an environmental geologist) and fretted when I realized I needed a truck. Hard to talk about non-point source pollution in ground water and atmospheric pollution from less than adequate gas mileage when I drive a truck. Then I searched and found the JourneyToForever site. Can't believe that I didn't know about BioD before! I feel like I've been asleep :-) I'm still looking for a truck, and wanted to ask truck owners as I see possibilities. Are there any Ford F250 owners about who have a mid-80s truck on BioD? I found one 86 for $3500- in my price range- and wanted to know if it would need expensive rubber replacement and about what that costs. It's been very hard finding diesel vehicles here (Coastal South Carolina, USA) in my price range. New trucks cost way too much. If anyone happens to know of any leads, let me know. Also, is there anyone in the southeast US on this list? It'd be nice to meet some people. Thanks all, I'll be around. -J -- Jonathan Pennington | [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's hard to take life too seriously when you realize yours is a joke. -original Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO
Keith, Good job, and thanks a bunch! When I run into potential new converts to what one friend calls My Cult (SVO/WVO) I can just email them this page and save myself lotsa time! I would only add one comment. While I agree with you that Ed Beggs from Neoteric Biofuels absolutely knows his stuff - I paid him to consult with me on my project (conversion of my Land Rover Defender to the 300 Tdi engine with a dual-tank biodiesel/SVO-WVO system) and got my money's worth in the form of great advice - I also respect the experience of Charlie Anderson from Greasel. And while I agree with you that the Racor LFS 28 (28 micron) stainless mesh filter contained in the Greasel kit (and recommended by Joshua Tickell in From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank as well) is not fine enough for a final fuel filter, it's important to point out that Charlie recommends pre-filtering (prior to adding SVO/WVO to the fuel tank) with a .5 micron fuel filter - at which point the LFS 28 is going to be adequate, plus isn't going to need cleaning very often, if at all. Having said that, I'm still going with two of Racor's #215 filters with cartridge-type filters - a 30-micron as my primary filter, with the water-probe/in-cab water alert feature, and a 10 micron final filter (and I got a 2-micron element for it - if it doesn't clog to frequently, I'll probably go with that size as my final filter.) I'm willing to give up the cost advantages of the cleanable LFS 28 for the added protection of the cartridge-type, but more the budget-minded would probably do just fine with the SFS 28 if they pre-filtered to .5 microns, I think. And just to be extra careful, I'm also going to use the .5 micron mesh filters Greasel sells, and pre-filter any SVO or WVO before it goes into the tank - and also run this pre-filtered oil through West Marine's Baja Fuel Filter which filters out any water in the oil, when running WVO. Thanks again for your prodigious research and editing skills! Craig Keith Addison wrote: New page on SVO at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel Regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] the need for speed?
Eloquently put, Ed. Craig Neoteric Biofuels Inc. wrote: snip We are in a race, in a society, where speed is thought synonymous with efficiency.It's not, not energy efficiency. Slower is better. We pay that mindset with huge amounts of fossil fuel. We pay for that in a lot of ways that we don't like to think about much. We have sacrificed the efficiency of transport for the excitement of speed and door-to-door convenience. Remember that inefficiency the next time somebody tells you that biofuels can't supply our energy needs. Maybe it depends on how fast our planes go, how often we choose to use trucks instead of rail, how often we print things and courier them or mail them instead of sending electronically, how we rely on a just in time inventory method in a country much larger then where the concept originated, and how we have to panic/rush things whenever that model lets us down. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Particulates
Maybe they haid is up they b**t. Craig kirk wrote: Maybe their glass is broken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Particulates I was at a meeting last night where one delegate claimed that small particulates 2.5 m or smaller pass through glass. ie. If you live by a main road, closing your windows does not keep the stuff out of your house. I find that hard to believe. Any opinions? James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Particulates
Maybe they on drugs. Craig steve spence wrote: maybe they are firing the particulates at the glass with a cannon. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Particulates Maybe their glass is broken - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Particulates I was at a meeting last night where one delegate claimed that small particulates 2.5 m or smaller pass through glass. ie. If you live by a main road, closing your windows does not keep the stuff out of your house. I find that hard to believe. Any opinions? James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Range Rover '89 TDi conversion
Rawls, Not sure where you are, but I know a guy who's installing a 2.8 (?) BMW 6 cyl. turbodiesel in a Range Rover - the BMW 524 and 528's in the mid-80's that had the turbodiesel used it with the same ZF automatic that the Rangies have. I've seen entire 524's on Autotrader for less than $3000, and Ford also installed the BMW turbodiesel in some Lincoln Mark VII's in the mid-80's, and these engines are out there in junkyards - often with low mileage, from cars owner by folks who never went anywhere. Supposed to be a good engine - and the Ford angle makes parts availability good - although BMW dealers can get everything too. The Ford workshop manuals are supposed to be better. Craig Rawls Moore wrote: Malcolm- I am interested to hear about your RR with the tdi. I was told that wasn't really possible. Most people have told me you need a Defender or a Disco I. I currently have a 91 RR, but it isn't in the greatest shape. I would like to see if I could get it to run off of ethanol though. If you don't mind, shoot me a mail and let me know how the conversions went, cost (if you don't mind sharing that stuff!), and you experience with the tdi. thanks for the mail! --rawls -Original Message- From: malcolm maclure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Range Rover '89 TDi conversion Dear Rawls, I saw your post on the Biofuel group. We have a G reg RR, a tdi conversion (from a 4.9 petrol) I'd love to chat. I'm very interested in biodiesel ethanol production use! So do get in touch! Cheers Malcolm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] confused......
Jon, It's my understanding that natural rubber fuel hoses and injector pump o-rings are both negativly affected by biodiesel, and perhaps also by WVO/SVO - and that what you want are sythetics - the leading candidates are Viton, Buna-N and neoprene. Craig J Mitchell wrote: I also read that some types of o-ring material are susceptible, and some are not.. is this true and what type are a problem? Is there a list on the net of vehicles which have these susceptible o-rings? biodiesel. I have been looking into making my own biodiesel for a while. and am a little confused. Is it waste vegetable oil or biodiesel that can cause problems with o-rings in your fuel system??? Jon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Biodiesel additive Little Red Bottle Diesels - was [biofuel] Re: Environmental group releases listof 'green cars'
Keith Addison wrote: Further to what I was saying about additives, as a resource for countering diesel-bashers (below), here's one seemingly good candidate, with more on the way it seems: http://www.rxp.com/master.htm Master Index WELCOME TO RXP PRODUCTS, INC. THE HOME OF THE LITTLE RED BOTTLE. See especially Biodiesel RxP. Quite a lot of info here, please check it out, comments. Don Woodward of RxP wrote to me a while back and we exchanged some emails. I've just written to him again. Anyone know anything about catalysts for biodiesel use? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ snip We're inclined to say, with the NBB, that Biodiesel NOx emissions can be efficiently eliminated as a concern, that NOx emissions can easily be reduced to dinodiesel levels or below, without sacrificing biodiesel's PM reductions. All true and good. But it seems the dinodiesel level is the wrong comparison - what we have to do is reduce the NOx emissions to below the levels of less-efficient engines (that's why they produce less NOx, right?). What that would seem to mean is either catalysts (no sulphur in biodiesel to wreck the catalyst), or additives, several of which are available (I think we've checked them out before, they should be in the archives). That or argue about NOx - but I think they're twin-bogeymen, diesels and NOx, the D-word and the N-word, little use in appealing to reason. That's the way it was with the Environment Prevention Department in Hong Kong (the now-famous Mr Mok), and that's the way it is in Japan too (with frills), especially in Tokyo, where a populist mayor uses the issue as a vote-grabber (and where really gross garbage incinerators have meanwhile earned Tokyo the title of The Dioxin Capital of the World). Re gathering ammunition for a diesel-basher-bashing campaign, as previously discussed, progress on my part has been a bit sporadic, as promised, but I have gathered some material, and a clearer idea of what's needed - mainly independent scientific work, like the Harvard study I posted. And it'll have to be US-based work - as you can see from the faq excerpt above, Europe and Japan don't appear to exist on this planet. Leaving us with the Ford Focus and a bucket of piss, LOL. Any further offers? How much use a frontal attack on folks like Club Sierra, the NRDC and so on will be is questionable, regardless of ammunition calibre. While they certainly have every good reason to change their stance, they might also have lots of bad reasons not to. What's mostly happened previously is that we've tried to respond to news sources and so on which have carried their spin, with some success, though mixed. This is where a central resource of authoritative material will help. Another useful tactic will be to proliferate the material to other sources, like Environmental Media Services (EMS), which I mentioned before (my job). Any and all ideas, suggestions, comments, raspberries, welcome. Best Keith Addison Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Whassup with the List?
Ken, I blush to admit it but I'm on about 15 mailing lists (proving I have less of a life than you, I guess) and I've noticed a marked decrease in *all* of them in the last month. I have no explanation, but it is curious. Craig Ken Provost wrote: I realize I have no life to speak of, but I MISS my regular 5-10 messages per hour from the biofuel list. What's going on? I see no new messages on the Yahoo webpage either, since #11828 this morn. at 8:13 am...-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Sloppiest made biodiesel won't hurt engines or pollute
Steve, You wrote: Dana, the worst WVO, when properly titrated, makes great biodiesel. doesn't matter if it's made from soybeans, animal fat, or liposuction leftovers. Eeew! Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
