subject:"Re\: \[Biofuel\] American diesels"

Your best bet for a small US diesel car is a used MB 300D

Keith Addison wrote:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_UScars.html
Diesel cars in the US

More or less complete I think.

Best

Keith



  

What year was it made?

Mike McGinness

Marty Phee wrote:



My Jeep liberty has a 2.7L diesel.

Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:
  

Mainly because there are very few small diesel power cars.

The standard is the 4000lb+ trucks with V8 Cummins Turbo diesels.

Im not sure there is a 4 cylinder US made diesel in the 2L range.

Mark


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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

The Isuzu mid range truck diesel has been transplanted - I think I read 
it on the Toyota Land Cruiser list.  There are a lot of them around in 
the US.

lres1 wrote:

Jason  Katie wrote.

  

actually, the big Cat 4cylinders can be shoehorned into a full sized


pickup,
  

and they get about 20 mpg in the rigs they were designed for. in the


smaller
  

PU's they should get a major boost in mileage because there's so much less
weight to shove around.




Correct the big Cat 4's will fit.

However the Big Cat 4 cylinders (3304 etc) are not known to run continuously
at 4K to 5K RPM, The connecting rods have gradings, from memory, of 2oz
differences in weight as acceptable. They are also not so good in the power
to weight ratio. John Deere makes a very good 4 cylinder with twin rotating
balance shafts. This again will run all day at 2,200 but not at the 4K to 5K
range required by transportation, they are also very heavy. Both the above
makes are not cheep for parts or purchase.

The P3 was the Perkins fitted to taxis for a while in the 30's and the P4
and P6 fitted to buses and other machines of the time such as loaders and
the Massey Ferguson tractor. The 3 cylinder engines, plus the 6  12 etc,
take the least in balancing as they are all dynamically balanced thus there
weight can be reduced through the lack of counter balance shafts or weighted
crankshafts.

Doug.


  

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The V-8 Ford diesels are actually made by international I think, not
Mazda like the small ones.  Everyone here seems to like the 6 cylinder
Cummins diesel's in the dodge pickups, but not the ford or chevy V8
ones much  I think Isuzu actually makes the new chevy ones now,
but not sure on that.

Funny that the ford-8 diesels are so problematic (I know one person
who switched to the chevy 6.5liter since they felt it was so much more
reliable...), since the 6 cylinder commercial international diesels
are great.  We've got one of them in a school bus that's been running
veggie oil for a few years.

On 5/18/06, lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of the
world
Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.
  

Doug



  

The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick
shift model.
The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of
the 70's.  Miserable cars.

The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords.


The
  

GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota,
Mazda, MB and VW.  ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.

bob allen wrote:



about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine
displacements
  

of about 7 liters. No
  

small trucks and no sedans.


Jan Warnqvist wrote:


  

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BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are prefering
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and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?

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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

It's still in production

Mike McGinness wrote:

What year was it made?

Mike McGinness

Marty Phee wrote:

  

My Jeep liberty has a 2.7L diesel.

Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:


Mainly because there are very few small diesel power cars.

The standard is the 4000lb+ trucks with V8 Cummins Turbo diesels.

Im not sure there is a 4 cylinder US made diesel in the 2L range.

Mark


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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

I looked at the Sprinter - anyone own one?

Mike Weaver wrote:

Yeah, I never learned to drive an automatic transmission either...

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

  

Nope, the jeep liberty is an italian company -- Venti or something?
Another poster had the name right.  2.8 liter common rail diesel.  I
know a few people who use B20 in them without issues.  I hadn't priced
the premium out. (because you can't get a manual transmission in them,
so i didn't want one anyway)

The sprinter van from Dodge uses a mercedes 3 liter diesel though.

On 5/19/06, Williams, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 



I'm pretty sure the diesel available in the current Jeep Liberty is a
Mercedes 2.7 and it's a pricy option at around $5,000.



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Thank you!
I can use this information.
Jonathan


lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


   The Jeep Diesel engine was the Italian VM engine, the same that was
fitted
   to some European cars. VM was connected with Jeep/Chrysler but was
taken
   over by GM causing the parts prices for the VM through Jeep to go
through
   the roof.

   The Chev Blazer Diesels had 6 volts for the glow plugs, 12 volts for
running
   and 24 volts for starting in the earlier stages. The control systems
for
   this very basic GM engine was over the top as was a modified truck
engine to
   fit the smaller 4 wheel drive. The injector pump was a bit of a
problem in
   many areas including the glass ball that fitted to the air bleed
back
   system. Very troublesome removing burnt glow plugs if the engine had
been
   jump started incorrectly. Very noisy when running.

   The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of
the world
   Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel
engines.

   Toyota Diesel engines are the best option we have here. The are
easily
   fitted to Jeeps, Fords and others onto the original transmissions.

   Doug



The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no
stick
shift model.
The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions
of
the 70's. Miserable cars.
   
The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the
Fords. The
GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu,
Toyota,
Mazda, MB and VW. ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.
   
bob allen wrote:
   
about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine
displacements
   of about 7 liters. No
small trucks and no sedans.


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BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-20 Thread Jonathan Dunlap

Would this be the same for a 2006 350 with a diesel as the powerplant? Jonathanlres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ford have had for several years not only the availability to Mazda Diesel engines but also the derivative of the Daimler Puch Styre engine. The Landrover Discoveries and others run with this now Ford engine. It has all but the same power to weight as petrol but is very expensive in parts and technology. There is no connection to the engine other than by electronics in the throttle/accelerator. The unit is solely computerized. See an earlier article I wrote. US$22,000 for the test and diagnostic equipment for the Fords all up last quote. Have not seen the specs on the latest Ford light trucks and pickups but presume them to be operating the derivatives of either Mazda or Styre (Daimler Puch). Would very much like to know the engine configuration if you have the information.Being me I would wander if Ford were just after the machining and equipment as an engine factory from Cummins. Seems with new laws coming in for diesel emissions that the Cummins would need a total face lift to comply, not just a Cat added to the exhausts. Where Ford alreadyhas the engine, the know how and needs the place and name.Doug - Original Message - From: Craig Harris To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels Ford planning on buying Cummins and also introducing a hybrid diesel. F150 are all ready running in target cities with diesels.- Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick shift model.The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of the 70's. Miserable cars.The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords. The GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota, Mazda, MB and VW. ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.bob allen wrote:about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-20 Thread mark manchester

This is our car!  1979 MB 300D.  It's amazingly stable, it loves to putter
along the hwy all day, which is why I feel I can take it the 6000 km to pick
up my daughter.  However, the (automatic) transmission does slip a bit.
It's been slipping a bit for two years without change.  Fix it first?  Or
somewhere in Moose Jaw, that's the question.
Jesse

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 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:06:19 -0400
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 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

 Your best bet for a small US diesel car is a used MB 300D

 Keith Addison wrote:

 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_UScars.html
 Diesel cars in the US

 More or less complete I think.

 Best

 Keith

 What year was it made?

 Mike McGinness

 Marty Phee wrote:

 My Jeep liberty has a 2.7L diesel.

 Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:

 Mainly because there are very few small diesel power cars.

 The standard is the 4000lb+ trucks with V8 Cummins Turbo diesels.

 Im not sure there is a 4 cylinder US made diesel in the 2L range.

 Mark

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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

Fix it!

I had a 300SD - wish I'd kept it

mark manchester wrote:

This is our car!  1979 MB 300D.  It's amazingly stable, it loves to putter
along the hwy all day, which is why I feel I can take it the 6000 km to pick
up my daughter.  However, the (automatic) transmission does slip a bit.
It's been slipping a bit for two years without change.  Fix it first?  Or
somewhere in Moose Jaw, that's the question.
Jesse

  

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Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:06:19 -0400
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

Your best bet for a small US diesel car is a used MB 300D

Keith Addison wrote:



http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_UScars.html
Diesel cars in the US

More or less complete I think.

Best

Keith





  

What year was it made?

Mike McGinness

Marty Phee wrote:





My Jeep liberty has a 2.7L diesel.

Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:


  

Mainly because there are very few small diesel power cars.

The standard is the 4000lb+ trucks with V8 Cummins Turbo diesels.

Im not sure there is a 4 cylinder US made diesel in the 2L range.

Mark


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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-20 Thread Jason Katie

ah yes, but the axle gears in a PU are at a minimum 4.00:1 if one were to 
reduce this to , oh say 2.00:1 or even closer, then the direct drive (or 
overdrive) gear in the trans would eliminate a lot of the stress of 
travel.at 2:1 the max rpm would be 2k-2.5k and at overdrive would be about 
15% less than that (1.7k-2.1k) which is totally reasonable. if the mechanic 
is really savvy, a second transmission could be installed, giving us a 
double overdrive. (a little complicated on the interstate, but hey, i like 
manual transmissions)
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Jason  Katie wrote.

 actually, the big Cat 4cylinders can be shoehorned into a full sized
pickup,
 and they get about 20 mpg in the rigs they were designed for. in the
smaller
 PU's they should get a major boost in mileage because there's so much less
 weight to shove around.


Correct the big Cat 4's will fit.

However the Big Cat 4 cylinders (3304 etc) are not known to run continuously
at 4K to 5K RPM, The connecting rods have gradings, from memory, of 2oz
differences in weight as acceptable. They are also not so good in the power
to weight ratio. John Deere makes a very good 4 cylinder with twin rotating
balance shafts. This again will run all day at 2,200 but not at the 4K to 5K
range required by transportation, they are also very heavy. Both the above
makes are not cheep for parts or purchase.

The P3 was the Perkins fitted to taxis for a while in the 30's and the P4
and P6 fitted to buses and other machines of the time such as loaders and
the Massey Ferguson tractor. The 3 cylinder engines, plus the 6  12 etc,
take the least in balancing as they are all dynamically balanced thus there
weight can be reduced through the lack of counter balance shafts or weighted
crankshafts.

Doug.


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 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels


 The V-8 Ford diesels are actually made by international I think, not
 Mazda like the small ones.  Everyone here seems to like the 6 cylinder
 Cummins diesel's in the dodge pickups, but not the ford or chevy V8
 ones much  I think Isuzu actually makes the new chevy ones now,
 but not sure on that.

 Funny that the ford-8 diesels are so problematic (I know one person
 who switched to the chevy 6.5liter since they felt it was so much more
 reliable...), since the 6 cylinder commercial international diesels
 are great.  We've got one of them in a school bus that's been running
 veggie oil for a few years.

 On 5/18/06, lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of the
  world
  Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.

 
  Doug
 
 
 
   The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick
   shift model.
   The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of
   the 70's.  Miserable cars.
  
   The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords.
The
   GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
   there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota,
   Mazda, MB and VW.  ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.
  
   bob allen wrote:
  
   about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine
   displacements
  of about 7 liters. No
   small trucks and no sedans.
   
   
   Jan Warnqvist wrote:
   
   
   Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you
   concerning
   BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are prefering
   European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is that
   true,
   and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?
   
   Jan Warnqvist
   
   
  

   
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)




Mainly because there are very few small diesel power cars. 


The standard is the 4000lb+ trucks with V8 Cummins Turbo 
diesels. 

Im not sure there is a 4 cylinder US made diesel in the 2L 
range. 

Mark 


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan 
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diesels

Hello everybody in the Americas! I 
have one question for you concerning BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as 
if you all are prefering European cars for fueling BD instead of American 
diesels. Is that true, and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD 
?

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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

How old is your VW?  Mine's a 2002 and it's been fine for a a year at least.

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

I'm running ASTM biodiesel, and it has had no effect on the hoses on
my mitsubishi diesel yet (a year), but in 4 months, has done quite a
job on the VW's fuel lines...  H.

And yes, the reason no-one runs biodiesel in american diesels is
primarily that there are no american diesels (smaller than the big V-8
or cummins's trucks).  I know many people who do run biodiesel in
them, but they only get 15 to 18mpg usually, so it's only good if you
already want a giant truck.

On 5/18/06, Craig Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Well I run ASTM D6751; and it is a rubber eater.

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american diesel motors run just as well on BD, but they dont get the fuel
economy, and are not as valuable pound for pound ans the sturdier european
designs, mostly because they were only meant to run in big trucks or poorly
advertised, overpriced cars .

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and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are prefering European
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

The Cummins is a big 6, not a V8...

Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:

 Mainly because there are very few small diesel power cars.
  
 The standard is the 4000lb+ trucks with V8 Cummins Turbo diesels.
  
 Im not sure there is a 4 cylinder US made diesel in the 2L range.
  
 Mark

 
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 Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you 
 concerning BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are 
 prefering European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is 
 that true, and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?
  
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread Marty Phee

My Jeep liberty has a 2.7L diesel.


Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:
 Mainly because there are very few small diesel power cars.
  
 The standard is the 4000lb+ trucks with V8 Cummins Turbo diesels.
  
 Im not sure there is a 4 cylinder US made diesel in the 2L range.
  
 Mark

 
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread Keith Addison

Well I run ASTM D6751; and it is a rubber eater.

How do you know it's ASTM D6751?

Keith

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

american diesel motors run just as well on BD, but they dont get the 
fuel economy, and are not as valuable pound for pound ans the 
sturdier european designs, mostly because they were only meant to 
run in big trucks or poorly advertised, overpriced cars .

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To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org
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Subject: [Biofuel] American diesels

Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you 
concerning BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are 
prefering European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. 
Is that true, and in this case why? Arn¥t GM:s diesels good for BD ?

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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

The Jeep Diesel engine was the Italian VM engine, the same that was fitted
to some European cars. VM was connected with Jeep/Chrysler but was taken
over by GM causing the parts prices for the VM through Jeep to go through
the roof.

The Chev Blazer Diesels had 6 volts for the glow plugs, 12 volts for running
and 24 volts for starting in the earlier stages. The control systems for
this very basic GM engine was over the top as was a modified truck engine to
fit the smaller 4 wheel drive. The injector pump was a bit of a problem in
many areas including the glass ball that fitted to the air bleed back
system. Very troublesome removing burnt glow plugs if the engine had been
jump started incorrectly. Very noisy when running.

The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of the world
Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.

Toyota Diesel engines are the best option we have here. The are easily
fitted to Jeeps, Fords and others onto the original transmissions.

Doug



 The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick
 shift model.
 The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of
 the 70's.  Miserable cars.

 The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords.  The
 GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
 there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota,
 Mazda, MB and VW.  ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.

 bob allen wrote:

 about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine displacements
of about 7 liters. No
 small trucks and no sedans.
 
 
 Jan Warnqvist wrote:
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread A. Lawrence




Hello Jan, 

I run an '87 Nissan Sentra diesel on BD, 100% this 
time of year, and less during the colder winters up her in the Great White North 
(Canada). My buddy runs a 20% blend (of my fuel) year 'round in a '95 Ford 
pickup...

Al

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  diesels. Is that true, and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD 
  ?
  
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread Jonathan Dunlap

Thank you! I can use this information. Jonathanlres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Jeep Diesel engine was the Italian VM engine, the same that was fittedto some European cars. VM was connected with Jeep/Chrysler but was takenover by GM causing the parts prices for the VM through Jeep to go throughthe roof.The Chev Blazer Diesels had 6 volts for the glow plugs, 12 volts for runningand 24 volts for starting in the earlier stages. The control systems forthis very basic GM engine was over the top as was a modified truck engine tofit the smaller 4 wheel drive. The injector pump was a bit of a problem inmany areas including the glass ball that fitted to the air bleed backsystem. Very troublesome removing burnt glow plugs if the engine had beenjump started incorrectly. Very
noisy when running.The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of the worldFord is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.Toyota Diesel engines are the best option we have here. The are easilyfitted to Jeeps, Fords and others onto the original transmissions.Doug The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick shift model. The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of the 70's. Miserable cars. The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords. The GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better. there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota, Mazda, MB and VW. ONly VW and still offer diesel cars. bob allen wrote: about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine displacementsof about 7
liters. No small trucks and no sedans. Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you concerning BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are prefering European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is that true, and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ? Jan Warnqvist BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Warnqvist;Jan FN:Jan Warnqvist ORG:AGERATEC AB TEL;WORK;VOICE:+46 11 33 53 70 TEL;CELL;VOICE:+46 70 4993845 URL;WORK:http://www.ageratec.com
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

You can (or could) buy low mileage Toyota diesel engines and 
transmissions from a guy on Ebay working out of Florida.  Toyota diesels 
are pretty bullet-proof and I've used them in Africa - they're great.  
They are a bolt-in for almost US Toyota products.

-Mike

Jonathan Dunlap wrote:

 Thank you!
 I can use this information.
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 */lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 The Jeep Diesel engine was the Italian VM engine, the same that
 was fitted
 to some European cars. VM was connected with Jeep/Chrysler but was
 taken
 over by GM causing the parts prices for the VM through Jeep to go
 through
 the roof.

 The Chev Blazer Diesels had 6 volts for the glow plugs, 12 volts
 for running
 and 24 volts for starting in the earlier stages. The control
 systems for
 this very basic GM engine was over the top as was a modified truck
 engine to
 fit the smaller 4 wheel drive. The injector pump was a bit of a
 problem in
 many areas including the glass ball that fitted to the air bleed back
 system. Very troublesome removing burnt glow plugs if the engine
 had been
 jump started incorrectly. Very noisy when running.

 The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of
 the world
 Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.

 Toyota Diesel engines are the best option we have here. The are easily
 fitted to Jeeps, Fords and others onto the original transmissions.

 Doug



  The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no
 stick
  shift model.
  The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter
 conversions of
  the 70's. Miserable cars.
 
  The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the
 Fords. The
  GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
  there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota,
  Mazda, MB and VW. ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.
 
  bob allen wrote:
 
  about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine
 displacements
 of about 7 liters. No
  small trucks and no sedans.
  
  
  Jan Warnqvist wrote:
  
  
  Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you
 concerning
  BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are prefering
  European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is
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  and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?
  
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Mine's a '91, with an engine from an '88 or so

On 5/19/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How old is your VW?  Mine's a 2002 and it's been fine for a a year at least.

 Zeke Yewdall wrote:

 I'm running ASTM biodiesel, and it has had no effect on the hoses on
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 job on the VW's fuel lines...  H.
 
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 or cummins's trucks).  I know many people who do run biodiesel in
 them, but they only get 15 to 18mpg usually, so it's only good if you
 already want a giant truck.
 
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 Well I run ASTM D6751; and it is a rubber eater.
 
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 Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels
 
 
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 economy, and are not as valuable pound for pound ans the sturdier european
 designs, mostly because they were only meant to run in big trucks or poorly
 advertised, overpriced cars .
 
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 Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:45 PM
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

The V-8 Ford diesels are actually made by international I think, not
Mazda like the small ones.  Everyone here seems to like the 6 cylinder
Cummins diesel's in the dodge pickups, but not the ford or chevy V8
ones much  I think Isuzu actually makes the new chevy ones now,
but not sure on that.

Funny that the ford-8 diesels are so problematic (I know one person
who switched to the chevy 6.5liter since they felt it was so much more
reliable...), since the 6 cylinder commercial international diesels
are great.  We've got one of them in a school bus that's been running
veggie oil for a few years.

On 5/18/06, lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of the world
 Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.


 Doug



  The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick
  shift model.
  The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of
  the 70's.  Miserable cars.
 
  The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords.  The
  GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
  there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota,
  Mazda, MB and VW.  ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.
 
  bob allen wrote:
 
  about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine displacements
 of about 7 liters. No
  small trucks and no sedans.
  
  
  Jan Warnqvist wrote:
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

I guess the older ones had more rubber in the lines?

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Mine's a '91, with an engine from an '88 or so

On 5/19/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

How old is your VW?  Mine's a 2002 and it's been fine for a a year at least.

Zeke Yewdall wrote:



I'm running ASTM biodiesel, and it has had no effect on the hoses on
my mitsubishi diesel yet (a year), but in 4 months, has done quite a
job on the VW's fuel lines...  H.

And yes, the reason no-one runs biodiesel in american diesels is
primarily that there are no american diesels (smaller than the big V-8
or cummins's trucks).  I know many people who do run biodiesel in
them, but they only get 15 to 18mpg usually, so it's only good if you
already want a giant truck.

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Well I run ASTM D6751; and it is a rubber eater.

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american diesel motors run just as well on BD, but they dont get the fuel
economy, and are not as valuable pound for pound ans the sturdier european
designs, mostly because they were only meant to run in big trucks or poorly
advertised, overpriced cars .

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case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?

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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

I'm pretty out of touch these days w/ big diesels - our old Ford NA's 
were ok, but we had tranny problems.
The 6.2 GM's seemed to run ok but didn't have much power.

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

The V-8 Ford diesels are actually made by international I think, not
Mazda like the small ones.  Everyone here seems to like the 6 cylinder
Cummins diesel's in the dodge pickups, but not the ford or chevy V8
ones much  I think Isuzu actually makes the new chevy ones now,
but not sure on that.

Funny that the ford-8 diesels are so problematic (I know one person
who switched to the chevy 6.5liter since they felt it was so much more
reliable...), since the 6 cylinder commercial international diesels
are great.  We've got one of them in a school bus that's been running
veggie oil for a few years.

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The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of the world
Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.



  

Doug





The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick
shift model.
The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of
the 70's.  Miserable cars.

The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords.  The
GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota,
Mazda, MB and VW.  ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.

bob allen wrote:

  

about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine displacements


of about 7 liters. No


small trucks and no sedans.


Jan Warnqvist wrote:




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BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are prefering
European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is that true,
and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?

Jan Warnqvist




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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread Jason Katie

actually, the big Cat 4cylinders can be shoehorned into a full sized pickup, 
and they get about 20 mpg in the rigs they were designed for. in the smaller 
PU's they should get a major boost in mileage because there's so much less 
weight to shove around.
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The V-8 Ford diesels are actually made by international I think, not
Mazda like the small ones.  Everyone here seems to like the 6 cylinder
Cummins diesel's in the dodge pickups, but not the ford or chevy V8
ones much  I think Isuzu actually makes the new chevy ones now,
but not sure on that.

Funny that the ford-8 diesels are so problematic (I know one person
who switched to the chevy 6.5liter since they felt it was so much more
reliable...), since the 6 cylinder commercial international diesels
are great.  We've got one of them in a school bus that's been running
veggie oil for a few years.

On 5/18/06, lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of the 
 world
 Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.

 Doug

  The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick
  shift model.
  The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of
  the 70's.  Miserable cars.

  The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords.  The
  GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
  there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota,
  Mazda, MB and VW.  ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.

  bob allen wrote:

  about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine 
  displacements
 of about 7 liters. No
  small trucks and no sedans.

  Jan Warnqvist wrote:

  Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you 
  concerning
  BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are prefering
  European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is that 
  true,
  and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?

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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread Dan Albano

Older Ford 3/4 and 1 ton pickups were available here in the states with a 6.9 liter and 7.3 liter V8 naturally aspirated IDI diesel engine made by International/Navistar. They were available up until 1994 when Ford replaced them with the 
7.3 liter Powerstroke, which was a DI turbocharged engine, which performed much better than the previous engines. I own a 1990 F-350 with a 7.3 liter engine. I put a turbocharger and a 3.5 inch exhaust system on it and it has served me very well. The injector pumps (which were the same model that GM used in its diesels), tend to start acting funny around 145000 miles, and usually need to be replaced. The top end (valves, rockers, etc.), also usually start acting up, and thus need to be rebuilt. 
Most older diesel pickups, are usually not seen on the roads. Most of them are the newer direct injection, although there are quite a few old dodge pickups with the 12 valve Cummins engines tooling around. 
Just to clarify...Powerstroke, Duramax = V8Cummins = I6
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread Williams, Rick

Title: RE: [Biofuel] American diesels





I'm pretty sure the diesel available in the current Jeep Liberty is a Mercedes 2.7 and it's a pricy option at around $5,000. 


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Thank you!
I can use this information.
Jonathan


lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The Jeep Diesel engine was the Italian VM engine, the same that was fitted
 to some European cars. VM was connected with Jeep/Chrysler but was taken
 over by GM causing the parts prices for the VM through Jeep to go through
 the roof.
 
 The Chev Blazer Diesels had 6 volts for the glow plugs, 12 volts for running
 and 24 volts for starting in the earlier stages. The control systems for
 this very basic GM engine was over the top as was a modified truck engine to
 fit the smaller 4 wheel drive. The injector pump was a bit of a problem in
 many areas including the glass ball that fitted to the air bleed back
 system. Very troublesome removing burnt glow plugs if the engine had been
 jump started incorrectly. Very noisy when running.
 
 The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of the world
 Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel engines.
 
 Toyota Diesel engines are the best option we have here. The are easily
 fitted to Jeeps, Fords and others onto the original transmissions.
 
 Doug
 
 
 
  The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no stick
  shift model.
  The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions of
  the 70's. Miserable cars.
 
  The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords. The
  GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
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  Mazda, MB and VW. ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.
 
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  Jan Warnqvist wrote:
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

Nope, the jeep liberty is an italian company -- Venti or something?
Another poster had the name right.  2.8 liter common rail diesel.  I
know a few people who use B20 in them without issues.  I hadn't priced
the premium out. (because you can't get a manual transmission in them,
so i didn't want one anyway)

The sprinter van from Dodge uses a mercedes 3 liter diesel though.

On 5/19/06, Williams, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 I'm pretty sure the diesel available in the current Jeep Liberty is a
 Mercedes 2.7 and it's a pricy option at around $5,000.



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 Thank you!
 I can use this information.
 Jonathan


 lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The Jeep Diesel engine was the Italian VM engine, the same that was
 fitted
 to some European cars. VM was connected with Jeep/Chrysler but was
 taken
 over by GM causing the parts prices for the VM through Jeep to go
 through
 the roof.

 The Chev Blazer Diesels had 6 volts for the glow plugs, 12 volts for
 running
 and 24 volts for starting in the earlier stages. The control systems
 for
 this very basic GM engine was over the top as was a modified truck
 engine to
 fit the smaller 4 wheel drive. The injector pump was a bit of a
 problem in
 many areas including the glass ball that fitted to the air bleed
 back
 system. Very troublesome removing burnt glow plugs if the engine had
 been
 jump started incorrectly. Very noisy when running.

 The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of
 the world
 Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel
 engines.

 Toyota Diesel engines are the best option we have here. The are
 easily
 fitted to Jeeps, Fords and others onto the original transmissions.

 Doug



  The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no
 stick
  shift model.
  The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions
 of
  the 70's. Miserable cars.
 
  The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the
 Fords. The
  GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
  there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu,
 Toyota,
  Mazda, MB and VW. ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.
 
  bob allen wrote:
 
  about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine
 displacements
 of about 7 liters. No
  small trucks and no sedans.
  
  
  Jan Warnqvist wrote:
  
  
  Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you
 concerning
  BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are
 prefering
  European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is
 that true,
  and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?
  
  Jan Warnqvist
  
  
 
 
  
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

Hmmm.  Our school bus has the international DT466 (inline 6), from
1981, with about 400k miles so far (one rebuild on it so far), and
runs great still.

I think that taking care of the engine can make a big difference --
I've actually heard of people who have gotten 150k miles on the GM 5.7
liter diesel.  And who have blown up VW diesels in 50k miles.  Design
of the engine is one thing, but not the whole story

On 5/19/06, Dan Albano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Older Ford 3/4 and 1 ton pickups were available here in the states with a
 6.9 liter and 7.3 liter V8 naturally aspirated IDI diesel engine made by
 International/Navistar.  They were available up until 1994 when Ford
 replaced them with the 7.3 liter Powerstroke, which was a DI turbocharged
 engine, which performed much better than the previous engines.  I own a 1990
 F-350 with a 7.3 liter engine.  I put a turbocharger and a 3.5 inch exhaust
 system on it and it has served me very well.  The injector pumps (which were
 the same model that GM used in its diesels), tend to start acting funny
 around 145000 miles, and usually need to be replaced.  The top end (valves,
 rockers, etc.), also usually start acting up, and thus need to be rebuilt.

 Most older diesel pickups, are usually not seen on the roads. Most of them
 are the newer direct injection, although there are quite a few old dodge
 pickups with the 12 valve Cummins engines tooling around.

  Just to clarify...

 Powerstroke, Duramax = V8

 Cummins = I6


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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

Yeah, I never learned to drive an automatic transmission either...

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Nope, the jeep liberty is an italian company -- Venti or something?
Another poster had the name right.  2.8 liter common rail diesel.  I
know a few people who use B20 in them without issues.  I hadn't priced
the premium out. (because you can't get a manual transmission in them,
so i didn't want one anyway)

The sprinter van from Dodge uses a mercedes 3 liter diesel though.

On 5/19/06, Williams, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


I'm pretty sure the diesel available in the current Jeep Liberty is a
Mercedes 2.7 and it's a pricy option at around $5,000.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Dunlap
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:56 AM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American diesels


Thank you!
I can use this information.
Jonathan


lres1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The Jeep Diesel engine was the Italian VM engine, the same that was
fitted
to some European cars. VM was connected with Jeep/Chrysler but was
taken
over by GM causing the parts prices for the VM through Jeep to go
through
the roof.

The Chev Blazer Diesels had 6 volts for the glow plugs, 12 volts for
running
and 24 volts for starting in the earlier stages. The control systems
for
this very basic GM engine was over the top as was a modified truck
engine to
fit the smaller 4 wheel drive. The injector pump was a bit of a
problem in
many areas including the glass ball that fitted to the air bleed
back
system. Very troublesome removing burnt glow plugs if the engine had
been
jump started incorrectly. Very noisy when running.

The Fords should not be too much of a problem as in many parts of
the world
Ford is connected to Mazda and thus the smaller Mazda Diesel
engines.

Toyota Diesel engines are the best option we have here. The are
easily
fitted to Jeeps, Fords and others onto the original transmissions.

Doug



 The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still no
stick
 shift model.
 The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 liter conversions
of
 the 70's. Miserable cars.

 The Dodge Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the
Fords. The
 GM;s 6.2's were weak - the later models better.
 there were many models available 20 years or so ago - Isuzu,
Toyota,
 Mazda, MB and VW. ONly VW and still offer diesel cars.

 bob allen wrote:

 about the only american made diesels are trucks with engine
displacements
of about 7 liters. No
 small trucks and no sedans.
 
 
 Jan Warnqvist wrote:
 
 
 Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you
concerning
 BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are
prefering
 European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is
that true,
 and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?
 
 Jan Warnqvist
 
 






 
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread Mike McGinness

What year was it made?

Mike McGinness

Marty Phee wrote:

 My Jeep liberty has a 2.7L diesel.

 Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote:
  Mainly because there are very few small diesel power cars.
 
  The standard is the 4000lb+ trucks with V8 Cummins Turbo diesels.
 
  Im not sure there is a 4 cylinder US made diesel in the 2L range.
 
  Mark
 
  
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  Hello everybody in the Americas! I have one question for you
  concerning BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as if you all are
  prefering European cars for fueling BD instead of American diesels. Is
  that true, and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ?
 
  Jan Warnqvist
  
 
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

2006-05-19 Thread Craig Harris

Ford planning on buying Cummins and also introducing a hybrid diesel. F150 
are all ready running in target cities with diesels.

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  The smallest one is the Jeep Liberty - fairly heavy and still 
  no stick shift model.The last US build diesels were the ill-fated 5.7 
  liter conversions of the 70's. Miserable cars.The Dodge 
  Cummins diesel trucks are fine, as are most of the Fords. The GM;s 
  6.2's were weak - the later models better.there were many models available 
  20 years or so ago - Isuzu, Toyota, Mazda, MB and VW. ONly VW 
  and still offer diesel cars.bob allen wrote:about the only 
  american made diesels are trucks with engine displacements of about 7 liters. 
  No small trucks and no sedans.Jan Warnqvist 
  wrote: Hello everybody in the Americas! I 
  have one question for you concerning BD and the cars consuming it. 
  It seems as if you all are prefering European cars for fueling BD 
  instead of American diesels. Is that true, and in this case why? 
  Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD ? Jan 
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

Mike

The Toyota Diesel engines into the US Toyota pickups, Hilux, 4Runner, Surf
and many more is an easy transplant from 4 cylinder petrol/gas to 4 cylinder
diesel as you say.

For Toyota the Bellhousing needs to be changed along side the engine change
as the starter is on the opposite side in the diesel. The original gear box
can be used even the transfer box if a 4 wheel drive is being converted.
Other than this the rest of the swap from 4 cylinder Toyota petrol/gas to
the 4 cylinder Toyota diesel turbo or NA is a very straight forward swap
needing the radiator/coolant pipes changed, the different air filter
assembly if possible and the wiring in of a double timer for the glow plugs.

When starting most diesel engines the light/indicator for the glow plugs
goes off before the glow plugs turn off. The glow plugs are turned off or
pulsed with a timer. The indicator light is just controlled by a simple
timer that says the glow plugs/combustion chamber should be hot enough when
the indicator lamp goes off. The glow plugs should stay on for several
seconds, 15 to 20, longer even with the key in the start position. Thus the
double timer. The other way is a single timer and the oil pressure turning
the glow plugs off, this however means that if the engine is being bleed
then the oil pressure will come up and the glow plugs will not work till the
oil pressure drops, especially long times in cold weather. The better is to
use a back EMF from the Alternator to shut the relay for the glow plugs off.
Many conversions forget to take into account that the glow plug light goes
off but the plugs stay with power on. The indicator is just that, for
starting the engine. GM in many cases uses a pulse system even when the
engine is running the plugs maybe pulsing for several minutes after the
initial cold start.

One of the bigger problems in conversions is not fitting the engine but the
rear axle ratios. It would seem that with the Toyota diesel engines
transplanted into the petrol/gas driven Toyota 4 cylinder vehicles the
differential ratios are close enough to not need any changes.

Some of the Ford sedans due to the high revving ability of the petrol/gas
engine to convert to diesel the differential ratios may need to be changed.
Most Toyota diesels will pull to 4,200 rpm a far cry from the 5,000 to 7,000
plus of some of the Ford petrol/gas engines, hence to convert some Fords,
other than trucks/pickups 1/2 to1 ton the ratios need changing to give the
longer legs for long trips. The 4,2L 1HZ fits real sweetly into the Fords to
replace the 351 CI gas engine. The same 1HZ 4.2 will fit easily to exchange
into GM to replace the 308 and above. Hill climbing with heavy loads
requires the addition of a turbo on the above trucks but is not so hard to
fit.

Another option with differential ratios is to change tyre and rim sizes.
Some 15 inch rims changed to 16 inch rims and equivalent larger tyre
diameters give the same as changing differential ratios but much cheaper and
easier to make the modification. Suppose a GM is on 15 inch rims and a
diesel has been fitted with lower rev range than the original. By changing
the tyre and rim sizes to larger diameter the top speed or long legs are
still there for long distance cruising. This change is also used as an
option to give longer legs to a car travelling long distances to keep the
revs down and to improve fuel economy. A City vehicle needs the smaller
wheels with more acceleration than does a long distance touring vehicle. Not
many manufacturers make the ideal for long distance and city driving in the
same vehicle. For this reason some people keep two sets of tyres and rims,
one for city driving and for holidays and long distance a change to the
larger diameter.

The advantages of a turbo are many so are the disadvantages. Can discuss.
The turbo makes for a reasonable increase in torque and is an ideal
accomplice to add a small jet to allow water to be drawn into the suction
side, atomized by the blower and thus increase the torque even more. Turbos
generally can be a pain if not taken care of. For longevity the better is
forced oil lubricated and water cooled. Garrett do nice units as do many
other companies as after market fits. The room under the hood is your only
limiting factor. The VM Jeep engine is a danger if the air filter gets
clogged to any degree at all as the VM turbo will drag the oil through the
turbo seals and engine PCV system and destroy the engine. Melts pistons at
worst.

Doug




 You can (or could) buy low mileage Toyota diesel engines and
 transmissions from a guy on Ebay working out of Florida.  Toyota diesels
 are pretty bullet-proof and I've used them in Africa - they're great.
 They are a bolt-in for almost US Toyota products.

 -Mike

 Jonathan Dunlap wrote:

  Thank you!
  I can use this information.
  Jonathan
 
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  was fitted
  to some

Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

Zeke

My Chev 350 petrol/gas 4 X 4 has more than 400K miles on it and have not
taken a head off yet. Runs a fog of blue on initial start up and then is
fine. It does need a rebuild to stop the blue hugh on starting.

Some train engines as part of their technical specifications must be able to
operate well over the million mile mark before rebuilds or major work. It is
nothing to get 500K miles from a diesel engine. The trick is low sulfur
fuels. Detroit two stroke diesels from my experiences do not last long on
high sulfur fuels. But then the 4 cylinders to the V 16 are generally easy
to rebuild insitue.

Doug


 Hmmm.  Our school bus has the international DT466 (inline 6), from
 1981, with about 400k miles so far (one rebuild on it so far), and
 runs great still.

 I think that taking care of the engine can make a big difference --
 I've actually heard of people who have gotten 150k miles on the GM 5.7
 liter diesel.  And who have blown up VW diesels in 50k miles.  Design
 of the engine is one thing, but not the whole story

 On 5/19/06, Dan Albano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Older Ford 3/4 and 1 ton pickups were available here in the states with
a
  6.9 liter and 7.3 liter V8 naturally aspirated IDI diesel engine made by
  International/Navistar.  They were available up until 1994 when Ford
  replaced them with the 7.3 liter Powerstroke, which was a DI
turbocharged
  engine, which performed much better than the previous engines.  I own a
1990
  F-350 with a 7.3 liter engine.  I put a turbocharger and a 3.5 inch
exhaust
  system on it and it has served me very well.  The injector pumps (which
were
  the same model that GM used in its diesels), tend to start acting funny
  around 145000 miles, and usually need to be replaced.  The top end
(valves,
  rockers, etc.), also usually start acting up, and thus need to be
rebuilt.
 
  Most older diesel pickups, are usually not seen on the roads. Most of
them
  are the newer direct injection, although there are quite a few old dodge
  pickups with the 12 valve Cummins engines tooling around.
 
   Just to clarify...
 
  Powerstroke, Duramax = V8
 
  Cummins = I6
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels