Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daryl, You have me pondering this screw powered splitter. Would you arrange it so the screw is under tension or compression on the splitting stroke? What style of thread would you use, would you use a single or double helix? IMO Greg probably has the simple method of taking up the slack. Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not ignoring anyone, just catching up after falling behind. I have a couple of thoughts on this. First, is to use a double-screw axle jack. These are common (or were) for 3/4 and 1-ton trucks here. Put this on its side (so it pushes horizontally instead of vertically, and turn the crank, possibly with a geared-down electric motor. Retract the ram by reversing the motor. Slow, but rated at 3 tons, so should have lots of drive to split wood. Normally hand powered, so not a lot of power consumption. About 12 inches of drive action. Second is to use an automotive scissors jack. I have encountered these primarily in Japanese and French cars. I would put the jack on its side, so the part that was normally on the ground would be against the log, and the part that lifted the car would be against the splitter frame, attached in some manner. Then, a motor would drive the screw in the jack. I have visions of attaching the motor to the jack screw somehow, so it will travel with the screw, which will move relative to the frame in operation. I have seen these jacks with up to 15 inches of travel, and rated for about a ton, typically. Again, designed to be operated by hand, so power consumption should be low. So far, I think I prefer option 1. Building up a short hand crank shouldn't be hard. So I would have the option of using hand power (like an old brace and bit hand drill) or a geared down electric motor on the same unit. Decisions, decisions. Multiple jacks, mechanical and hydraulic, and axes and mauls. Or should I just collect sawdust and woodchips and make briquettes? Darryl - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : Responding to several recent e-mails - thanks to all. : : Fritz, I've heard that it's easier to split wood when frozen. However, I don't : plan to be where the wood is this winter - other commitments. Next winter could be : another story. : : Greg, the spring has potential, but I would have to work against it while doing the : spliiting. I'm thinking more of a rope and lever to reduce the muscle work : overall. I had also thought about making the head-end adjustable (say 2 slot : spacing) to take up the slack, but mostly to deal with various length pieces. : : Hoagie, thanks for the link to Harbor Freight. I have heard there are issues with : getting to ship cross-border. On the other hand, a Canadian company may have a : similar product (e.g. Princess Auto). I'll have to look into that. However, the : illustrations may help if I still elect to build my own. : : I expect if I build something to work with the hydraulic (jack) cylinder I have : now, I can always convert it later to a screw jack or electrically-driven : hydraulics. : : Mel, I have not looked at the HP page you cited yet, but I definitely will. Must : be from an issue I missed before my subscription started. : : Thanks again to all. For starters though, I'm going to get a new handle for the : old double-edged axe. Always had a nice heft, and although originally made for : felling, has always done a nice job of splitting hardwood. : : Darryl McMahon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
No problem I wasn't waiting for a prompt response anyway, just bench racing. My mind tends to over build things. I was envisioning something built similar to a hydraulic unit with the screw under tension because it would be stronger under tension than it would be under compression. Respectfully I would have to question the durability of the jacks you are speaking of. Obviously they are strong enough exert the force to do the job they are built to do but, they are built for occasional use. My experience is the jacks that come with pickups are shot long before the vehicle is. Not a problem if you have an inexpensive source for the jacks. Doug - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : : Not ignoring anyone, just catching up after falling behind. : : I have a couple of thoughts on this. : : First, is to use a double-screw axle jack. These are common (or were) for 3/4 and : 1-ton trucks here. Put this on its side (so it pushes horizontally instead of : vertically, and turn the crank, possibly with a geared-down electric motor. : Retract the ram by reversing the motor. Slow, but rated at 3 tons, so should have : lots of drive to split wood. Normally hand powered, so not a lot of power : consumption. About 12 inches of drive action. : : Second is to use an automotive scissors jack. I have encountered these primarily : in Japanese and French cars. I would put the jack on its side, so the part that : was normally on the ground would be against the log, and the part that lifted the : car would be against the splitter frame, attached in some manner. Then, a motor : would drive the screw in the jack. I have visions of attaching the motor to the : jack screw somehow, so it will travel with the screw, which will move relative to : the frame in operation. I have seen these jacks with up to 15 inches of travel, : and rated for about a ton, typically. Again, designed to be operated by hand, so : power consumption should be low. : : So far, I think I prefer option 1. Building up a short hand crank shouldn't be : hard. So I would have the option of using hand power (like an old brace and bit : hand drill) or a geared down electric motor on the same unit. : : Decisions, decisions. Multiple jacks, mechanical and hydraulic, and axes and : mauls. Or should I just collect sawdust and woodchips and make briquettes? : : Darryl : : - Original Message - : From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:33 AM : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : : : : Responding to several recent e-mails - thanks to all. : : : : Fritz, I've heard that it's easier to split wood when frozen. However, I : don't : : plan to be where the wood is this winter - other commitments. Next winter : could be : : another story. : : : : Greg, the spring has potential, but I would have to work against it while : doing the : : spliiting. I'm thinking more of a rope and lever to reduce the muscle : work : : overall. I had also thought about making the head-end adjustable (say 2 : slot : : spacing) to take up the slack, but mostly to deal with various length : pieces. : : : : Hoagie, thanks for the link to Harbor Freight. I have heard there are : issues with : : getting to ship cross-border. On the other hand, a Canadian company may : have a : : similar product (e.g. Princess Auto). I'll have to look into that. : However, the : : illustrations may help if I still elect to build my own. : : : : I expect if I build something to work with the hydraulic (jack) cylinder I : have : : now, I can always convert it later to a screw jack or electrically-driven : : hydraulics. : : : : Mel, I have not looked at the HP page you cited yet, but I definitely : will. Must : : be from an issue I missed before my subscription started. : : : : Thanks again to all. For starters though, I'm going to get a new handle : for the : : old double-edged axe. Always had a nice heft, and although originally : made for : : felling, has always done a nice job of splitting hardwood. : : : : Darryl McMahon : : : : --- : Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. : Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). : Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : : : -- : Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ : It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
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Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
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Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
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Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
--- Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:00 PM 10/24/2004, you wrote: Have fun! (I really enjoy splitting wood. It's almost a shame that we have a full pile for this winter. Almost.) Erik Where are you? I will provide tools, beverages and food if you would care to come and do mine!grin Bright Blessings, Kim Throw in some casual sex along with the beverages and food and I'll be right over. Dirty old man Ken __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Hi, Greg I'm not here to argue, as they say one more than one way to skin a cat and one will use that works out best for them. Anyway because of the exchange, I and others who may have been following learned new ways to skin the cat. Later... Doug - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : I have pieces of 1x8, 2x8, 2x12, and a piece of 4x12 ( all oak ).I have : some 1 marks on the frame near the base, I put the log to be split down : next to the wedge, look at how much I need and then grab the pieces : necessary so the wedge stops no closer that 1 inch from my take up pieces, : in theory I could take up 9 inches for the short but thick logs. : : I find that once I got used to the system, it might add another 5 to 15 : seconds to split a log, and I don't have to buy something I didn't have. : : Greg H. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Daryl, You have me pondering this screw powered splitter. Would you arrange it so the screw is under tension or compression on the splitting stroke? What style of thread would you use, would you use a single or double helix? IMO Greg probably has the simple method of taking up the slack. Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : Responding to several recent e-mails - thanks to all. : : Fritz, I've heard that it's easier to split wood when frozen. However, I don't : plan to be where the wood is this winter - other commitments. Next winter could be : another story. : : Greg, the spring has potential, but I would have to work against it while doing the : spliiting. I'm thinking more of a rope and lever to reduce the muscle work : overall. I had also thought about making the head-end adjustable (say 2 slot : spacing) to take up the slack, but mostly to deal with various length pieces. : : Hoagie, thanks for the link to Harbor Freight. I have heard there are issues with : getting to ship cross-border. On the other hand, a Canadian company may have a : similar product (e.g. Princess Auto). I'll have to look into that. However, the : illustrations may help if I still elect to build my own. : : I expect if I build something to work with the hydraulic (jack) cylinder I have : now, I can always convert it later to a screw jack or electrically-driven : hydraulics. : : Mel, I have not looked at the HP page you cited yet, but I definitely will. Must : be from an issue I missed before my subscription started. : : Thanks again to all. For starters though, I'm going to get a new handle for the : old double-edged axe. Always had a nice heft, and although originally made for : felling, has always done a nice job of splitting hardwood. : : Darryl McMahon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Have fun! (I really enjoy splitting wood. It's almost a shame that we have a full pile for this winter. Almost.) Erik Where are you? I will provide tools, beverages and food if you would care to come and do mine!grin Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
What about just taking up the slack with an adjustable base for the log, to bring it closer to the pump? By the way did you mean a high volume low pressure to take up the slack? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 15:25 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) If one where to pump hydraulics by hand it would be nice to have a pump that would pump at a low volume/low pressure to take up the slack and be able to switch to low volume/high pressure to actually split the wood. I wonder if anything like that exists as a stock item? Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Well... yea..., I meant hi volume, low pressure :). Yes an adjustable base or dead would work to take up the slack, but that would include an extra step in the process. Could be toss-up which would be the faster way. Anyway it looks like some beat me to the dual pump idea. Not that I would ever think I would I have an original idea. Doug - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : What about just taking up the slack with an adjustable base for the log, to : bring it closer to the pump? : : By the way did you mean a high volume low pressure to take up the slack? : : Greg H. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
I have pieces of 1x8, 2x8, 2x12, and a piece of 4x12 ( all oak ).I have some 1 marks on the frame near the base, I put the log to be split down next to the wedge, look at how much I need and then grab the pieces necessary so the wedge stops no closer that 1 inch from my take up pieces, in theory I could take up 9 inches for the short but thick logs. I find that once I got used to the system, it might add another 5 to 15 seconds to split a log, and I don't have to buy something I didn't have. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 22:31 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Well... yea..., I meant hi volume, low pressure :). Yes an adjustable base or dead would work to take up the slack, but that would include an extra step in the process. Could be toss-up which would be the faster way. Anyway it looks like some beat me to the dual pump idea. Not that I would ever think I would I have an original idea. Doug - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : What about just taking up the slack with an adjustable base for the log, to : bring it closer to the pump? : : By the way did you mean a high volume low pressure to take up the slack? : : Greg H. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Responding to several recent e-mails - thanks to all. Fritz, I've heard that it's easier to split wood when frozen. However, I don't plan to be where the wood is this winter - other commitments. Next winter could be another story. Greg, the spring has potential, but I would have to work against it while doing the spliiting. I'm thinking more of a rope and lever to reduce the muscle work overall. I had also thought about making the head-end adjustable (say 2 slot spacing) to take up the slack, but mostly to deal with various length pieces. Hoagie, thanks for the link to Harbor Freight. I have heard there are issues with getting to ship cross-border. On the other hand, a Canadian company may have a similar product (e.g. Princess Auto). I'll have to look into that. However, the illustrations may help if I still elect to build my own. I expect if I build something to work with the hydraulic (jack) cylinder I have now, I can always convert it later to a screw jack or electrically-driven hydraulics. Mel, I have not looked at the HP page you cited yet, but I definitely will. Must be from an issue I missed before my subscription started. Thanks again to all. For starters though, I'm going to get a new handle for the old double-edged axe. Always had a nice heft, and although originally made for felling, has always done a nice job of splitting hardwood. Darryl McMahon From: Fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Date sent: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:28:42 -0400 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Darryl, its easyer when frozen Fritz - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada! Fritz I've done that too, and it's my general preference. However, we now have some hardwood logs that are about 18-24 inches across (half a metre or more), and green, so that's tough work with an axe, even with a maul and wedges. Definitely gets tedious after a few cord. Darryl McMahon - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED
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--- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thanks again to all. For starters though, I'm going to get a new handle for the old double-edged axe. Always had a nice heft, and although originally made for felling, has always done a nice job of splitting hardwood. If you have never used a maul, I would definitely suggest you trying one. They are designed to split wood - that's their main job. When you keep it nice and sharp it will make your splitting chores SO much easier. I use an 8 pounder, and there's very little it won't do. I only have to get out the wedge for rounds that are at least 3-4 ft diameter or soppy wet or full of knots. It will take care of about anything else. If you've used a good maul and still prefer your axe, then you can ignore me, of course. :) But using the right tool for the job is a huge labor saver. Have fun! (I really enjoy splitting wood. It's almost a shame that we have a full pile for this winter. Almost.) Erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thanks again to all. For starters though, I'm going to get a new handle for the old double-edged axe. Always had a nice heft, and although originally made for felling, has always done a nice job of splitting hardwood. If you have never used a maul, I would definitely suggest you trying one. They are designed to split wood - that's their main job. When you keep it nice and sharp it will make your splitting chores SO much easier. I use an 8 pounder, and there's very little it won't do. I only have to get out the wedge for rounds that are at least 3-4 ft diameter or soppy wet or full of knots. It will take care of about anything else. I have a maul (probably 5 or 6 pounds), and use it more for softwood. I find the narrower blade binds more in softwood. I have also used a splitting axe (with the spreading levers built into it), but didn't care for it so much. The narrower blade is lighter, so I find I didn't tire so quickly with it. I think it becomes a matter of taste to some extent, and probably technique. With big hardwood, I tend to work in from the sides with the felling axe. If you've used a good maul and still prefer your axe, then you can ignore me, of course. :) But using the right tool for the job is a huge labor saver. No question. Have fun! (I really enjoy splitting wood. It's almost a shame that we have a full pile for this winter. Almost.) I won't claim to enjoy splitting wood with an axe, but it is a great stress reliever. There are days I imagine the wood before me is a current problem or source of stress, and there are times the split pieces simply fly from the chopping block. However, I do enjoy getting outside in the autumn, and splitting wood is a good excuse for that, and the potential for labour tends to discourage unwanted company. Erik -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hey, how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada! Fritz - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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older. I too used an axe in Canada, but the maul works better. I really would like an alternative though. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:44 AM 10/23/2004, you wrote: Hey, how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada! Fritz - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
There is a GREAT article in Home Power about a family in Colorado that lives off grid and they made a Solar powered logging bugging. Basically an old truck bed converted to a trailer with batteries and solar panels. The run electric chain saws off of it and they converted their bandsaw mill to run off the solar wagon as well. http://www.homepower.com/files/ALLEETOC/Issue84.pdf?search=electric%20chain%20saw That particular issue was called the blackout buster issue and it's one of the BEST they have ever made. Back issues are 5.00 but Homepower lets you print online for FREE. So if you want to read off a PDF or print it yourself, register and download the magazine. These folks went that way after on winter of chainsawing with gasoline. It can be done with enough panels and batteries. You could get an electric motor to run the hydrualic pump. mel -Original Message- From: Darryl McMahon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. Darryl Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not Kim, but I though I'd answer some of these questions just to give Kim and others an idea on our off grid solutions. See below: = = = Original message = = = Hi Kim, an ambitious project for most people, however, I suspect you are up to it. Are your telephone lines strung on the same poles as the electrical lines? If so, does the telephone company have the same rules as the electrical company? If so, do you have other options for telephone service? (I'm assuming that telephone access provides your Internet access and you do not wish to give up your phone service.) SS We have no power poles to our property. The phone company delivers SS voice and DSL on underground lines. What do you use electricity for now? Lighting (SS - ELECTRIC/INV), refrigeration(SS - PROPANE), cooking (SS - PROPANE), well pump (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN), air conditioning(SS - NONE), hot water (SS - PROPANE), space heating (SS - WOOD), computer (SS - ELECTRIC/INV), entertainment equipment (SS - ELECTRIC/INV), washer (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN), dryer (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN PROPANE)), yard or farm equipment (SS - ELECTRIC/GEN), etc? Do you have your recent electrical bills, and do they show your consumption by period? How can you reduce those requirements? Substitution, efficiency, conservation, other? How do you propose to generate your own electricity? Generator (SS - YES), wind turbine (SS - YES), solar panels (SS - YES), low head hydro (SS - N/A), other? I'm assuming a generator (biodiesel) as your primary source initially (SS - Ours is WVO and Biodiesel), but that doesn't preclude other options in the future. Can you set up all your loads so they will run only when a generator (or other source) is running, or will you require local energy storage? If so, batteries are the most practical option (IMNSHO), though not perfect by any means. Most likely a non-trivial investment (batteries, inverter, charger, etc). (SS - We have a 675 ah battery pack, 2kw inverter, 30 amp charge controller, 90 watt PV and 300 watt wind, with 12.5kw wvo gen) Other lists may also be helpful to you. Homeenergysolutions, alternate energy, renewable-energy come to mind. (ss - also 12vdc group at yahoo.) It is certainly an interesting adventure. The first step is examining current consumption to look for ways to reduce it. That will be worthwhile whether you go off-grid or not. The least expensive electricity is the electricity you don't have to produce. SS - We installed all CF lighting, and switched outlet strips on all phantom loads. Biomethane will replace the propane next year. Electric chainsaw and electric log splitter are being evaluated. Darryl McMahon ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Darryl McMahon
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
I have been experimenting with something similar, although, using a 1 1/2 ton hydraulic jack ( hand pumped ). I need to work on the frame, but, the hydraulic jack, just drives the wedge right through the wood. Since my fireplace can only take about a 18 inch log in the back, this is the max size I cut my wood to ( usually only about 12 to 16 inches - the jack only has 12 inches of movement, so the last little bit, may still hold, but, the log is still split and will easily pull apart. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 19:43 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada! Fritz I've done that too, and it's my general preference. However, we now have some hardwood logs that are about 18-24 inches across (half a metre or more), and green, so that's tough work with an axe, even with a maul and wedges. Definitely gets tedious after a few cord. Darryl McMahon - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Thanks for the idea Greg. I will have a couple of 4-ton hydraulic jacks to hand next summer, after we finish building the foundation under the summer place. I really need to get the welder wired up, so I can build a frame and bed for the log and splitting head. Hmmm, I wonder how portable I can make this? A rope behind the splitting head to retract it. No power required other than an armstrong driver. Darryl McMahon From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Date sent: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:03:24 -0600 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been experimenting with something similar, although, using a 1 1/2 ton hydraulic jack ( hand pumped ). I need to work on the frame, but, the hydraulic jack, just drives the wedge right through the wood. Since my fireplace can only take about a 18 inch log in the back, this is the max size I cut my wood to ( usually only about 12 to 16 inches - the jack only has 12 inches of movement, so the last little bit, may still hold, but, the log is still split and will easily pull apart. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 19:43 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
http://www.harborfreight.com Find a Keyword LOG 12 items returned Manually operated -- 6 TON MINI LOG SPLITTER $59.99 TWO SPEED, 10 TON HYDRAULIC LOG SPLITTER $149.99 TWO SPEED, 10 TON HYDRAULIC LOG SPLITTER $159.99 4 TON ELECTRIC LOG SPLITTER $199.99 Thanks for the idea Greg. I will have a couple of 4-ton hydraulic jacks to hand next summer, after we finish building the foundation under the summer place. I really need to get the welder wired up, so I can build a frame and bed for the log and splitting head. Hmmm, I wonder how portable I can make this? A rope behind the splitting head to retract it. No power required other than an armstrong driver. Darryl McMahon From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Date sent: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:03:24 -0600 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been experimenting with something similar, although, using a 1 1/2 ton hydraulic jack ( hand pumped ). I need to work on the frame, but, the hydraulic jack, just drives the wedge right through the wood. Since my fireplace can only take about a 18 inch log in the back, this is the max size I cut my wood to ( usually only about 12 to 16 inches - the jack only has 12 inches of movement, so the last little bit, may still hold, but, the log is still split and will easily pull apart. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 19:43 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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No problem. How about a large coil spring ( for gates ) instead of a rope?They normally run around $20.00 or so ( last I checked was about 1 1/2 - 2 yrs ago ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:21 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Thanks for the idea Greg. snip A rope behind the splitting head to retract it. No power required other than an armstrong driver. Darryl McMahon ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Hey Darryl, its easyer when frozen Fritz - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada! Fritz I've done that too, and it's my general preference. However, we now have some hardwood logs that are about 18-24 inches across (half a metre or more), and green, so that's tough work with an axe, even with a maul and wedges. Definitely gets tedious after a few cord. Darryl McMahon - Original Message - From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) Hi. I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - runs off a 20 cfm compressor. Mike Canberra, Australia. At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and log splitter when your evaluation is done. I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw. It doesn't get much work, but I'm always pleased with it when I do use it. Not for professional lumberjacks, but quite adequate for yardwork. I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and screw jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet to be sure which way to go. Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a couple of weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
If one where to pump hydraulics by hand it would be nice to have a pump that would pump at a low volume/low pressure to take up the slack and be able to switch to low volume/high pressure to actually split the wood. I wonder if anything like that exists as a stock item? Doug - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : I have been experimenting with something similar, although, using a 1 1/2 : ton hydraulic jack ( hand pumped ). : : I need to work on the frame, but, the hydraulic jack, just drives the wedge : right through the wood. : : Since my fireplace can only take about a 18 inch log in the back, this is : the max size I cut my wood to ( usually only about 12 to 16 inches - the : jack only has 12 inches of movement, so the last little bit, may still : hold, but, the log is still split and will easily pull apart. : : Greg H. : : - Original Message - : From: Michael Fleetwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 19:43 : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : : : Hi. : I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found : it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective : in splitting the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more : expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well - : runs off a 20 cfm compressor. : : Mike : Canberra, Australia. : : : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Hi, Employ springs to draw the wedge back to start. Trick is to find that spring that is strong enough to do the job and not appreciably add to the splitting stroke effort. Doug - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : Thanks for the idea Greg. I will have a couple of 4-ton hydraulic jacks to hand : next summer, after we finish building the foundation under the summer place. I : really need to get the welder wired up, so I can build a frame and bed for the log : and splitting head. Hmmm, I wonder how portable I can make this? A rope behind : the splitting head to retract it. No power required other than an armstrong : driver. : : Darryl McMahon : --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)
Well... that answered my question, didn't it Doug - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies) : : TWO SPEED, 10 TON HYDRAULIC LOG SPLITTER $149.99 : TWO SPEED, 10 TON HYDRAULIC LOG SPLITTER $159.99 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
