Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot
sent from a phone > On 22. May 2019, at 09:26, Pablo wrote: > > I don't know any spaces primarily used for juggling, bukers, scuba diving, > slack line, or other sport that don't need peculiar infrastructures. (Even > ski station are not primarily used for ski in summer). So why not use the tag > leisure = pitch sport=juggling? And if needed adding another sport=whatever. is there any „pitch“? What about leisure=spot Could be used for fishing as well (ok, they’re using leisure=fishing currently: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/leisure=fishing There are also 4 juggling=spot and the word is not used as a value. https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/juggling sport=juggling sounds reasonable, if fishing and chess are sports. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot
sent from a phone > On 22. May 2019, at 01:43, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > These take place in certain spots regularly around me. The popularity of the > spot might be related to the earnings. > Are these jugglers accepting money for their 'performance'? If so it might be > a good idea to incorporate others who do a 'performance' that also accept > money. I also frequently see jugglers at the traffic lights, but they are not frequent enough yet to map them ;-) One guy is pretty good, he’s juggling 5 clubs on top of a ladder (the simple linear ladders, not the self-supporting) Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot
On 5/22/2019 4:30 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
For me, a sport means competition, rankings, trophies. Is this the
case here? Otherwise, I think leisure is better.
A pitch a place specially designed for a certain sport. I think this
is not the case here. It's just an open space, which can also serve
other purposes.
I fear that a juggling spot is not something we should add to OSM,
We do not map places where you can skateboard, unless there is a
dedicated area to practice containing ramps, etc.
I tend to agree that a juggling "spot" would likely not be primarily
intended for juggling in any verifiable way, and so should not be mapped
on OSM.
But regarding your sport definition ("competition, rankings, trophies"):
there is wide tagging of non-competition sport features in OSM. Sport
values like skateboard, canoe, fishing, surfing may *occasionally* refer
to locations of competitive activity, but I'd wager the vast majority of
them are simply for leisure. Other common sport values like
scuba_diving, exercise, and yoga probably rarely if ever indicate a
competitive sport.
J
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot
On 22.05.2019 00:09, marc marc wrote: I you think that juggling is a sport, sport tag exist, just add sport=juggling but we miss a main tag for sport that does not take place on a delimited sports field, the same issue exist with outdoor sport=scuba_diving maybe leisure=location or leisure=sport[s]_location ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot
For me, a sport means competition, rankings, trophies. Is this the case here? Otherwise, I think leisure is better. A pitch a place specially designed for a certain sport. I think this is not the case here. It's just an open space, which can also serve other purposes. I fear that a juggling spot is not something we should add to OSM, We do not map places where you can skateboard, unless there is a dedicated area to practice containing ramps, etc. As a solution, you create a umap with spots for juggling. regards m. On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:28 AM Pablo wrote: > > Thx for your answers :). > > I m speaking of juggling as a sport and not as entertainment. These meetings > are not organised to earn money or to make shows, but to practice and meet > each other. > > I don't know any spaces primarily used for juggling, bukers, scuba diving, > slack line, or other sport that don't need peculiar infrastructures. (Even > ski station are not primarily used for ski in summer). So why not use the tag > leisure = pitch sport=juggling? And if needed adding another sport=whatever. > > Verifiability : it s only verifiable in the dates where people meet (in > winter theses places are commonly not used). As, you can't verify the > proprieties of a shop went it's close. Sometime the address can be find on > the website of the juggling association or on Facebook groups, sometimes you > have to find the people who know where and when theses meeting occurs. In any > case it can be verified but not anytime. > > However, this ephemeral spaces exist and are used. So I think it could be > usefull to create a maintag "for sport that does not take place on a delimited > sport field". This wild resolve the problem of the format leisure = pitch > sport = juggling. Don t you think ?Le 22 mai 2019 00:05, Jmapb > a écrit : > > > > On 5/21/2019 3:34 PM, Pablo wrote > > > A new feature proposal which could be very useful for the juggling > > > community. Usually, jugglers meet in specific spaces in cities (usually > > > open spaces like parcs). There is often a day of the week which is choose > > > to meet in priority. It s like a informal sport center. I thinks it s the > > > same thing for slack lines and acrobatics but I m not sure. Osm could > > > help find theses spots which is very usefull when you travel. If this tag > > > is accepted, I will inform the juggling community so they can add their > > > spots. > > > You can find it here : > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot > > > > juggling=spot is not a great tag, since it doesn't follow the existing > > tagging conventions. Better would be sport=juggling -- but the sport=* > > tag has to be added to some other physical feature; it's not a valid tag > > all by itself. > > > > If there's a signed or otherwise documented and verifiable place that's > > *primarily* designed/used for juggling, it could be tagged leisure=pitch > > + sport=juggling. > > > > If this use not verifiable by other mappers, the juggling tag will > > probably be deleted. > > > > J > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot
Thx for your answers :). I m speaking of juggling as a sport and not as entertainment. These meetings are not organised to earn money or to make shows, but to practice and meet each other. I don't know any spaces primarily used for juggling, bukers, scuba diving, slack line, or other sport that don't need peculiar infrastructures. (Even ski station are not primarily used for ski in summer). So why not use the tag leisure = pitch sport=juggling? And if needed adding another sport=whatever. Verifiability : it s only verifiable in the dates where people meet (in winter theses places are commonly not used). As, you can't verify the proprieties of a shop went it's close. Sometime the address can be find on the website of the juggling association or on Facebook groups, sometimes you have to find the people who know where and when theses meeting occurs. In any case it can be verified but not anytime. However, this ephemeral spaces exist and are used. So I think it could be usefull to create a maintag "for sport that does not take place on a delimited sport field". This wild resolve the problem of the format leisure = pitch sport = juggling. Don t you think ?Le 22 mai 2019 00:05, Jmapb a écrit : > > On 5/21/2019 3:34 PM, Pablo wrote > > A new feature proposal which could be very useful for the juggling > > community. Usually, jugglers meet in specific spaces in cities (usually > > open spaces like parcs). There is often a day of the week which is choose > > to meet in priority. It s like a informal sport center. I thinks it s the > > same thing for slack lines and acrobatics but I m not sure. Osm could help > > find theses spots which is very usefull when you travel. If this tag is > > accepted, I will inform the juggling community so they can add their spots. > > You can find it here : > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot > > juggling=spot is not a great tag, since it doesn't follow the existing > tagging conventions. Better would be sport=juggling -- but the sport=* > tag has to be added to some other physical feature; it's not a valid tag > all by itself. > > If there's a signed or otherwise documented and verifiable place that's > *primarily* designed/used for juggling, it could be tagged leisure=pitch > + sport=juggling. > > If this use not verifiable by other mappers, the juggling tag will > probably be deleted. > > J > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot
On 22/05/19 05:34, Pablo wrote: Hello, A new feature proposal which could be very useful for the juggling community. Usually, jugglers meet in specific spaces in cities (usually open spaces like parcs). There is often a day of the week which is choose to meet in priority. It s like a informal sport center. I thinks it s the same thing for slack lines and acrobatics but I m not sure. Osm could help find theses spots which is very usefull when you travel. If this tag is accepted, I will inform the juggling community so they can add their spots. You can find it here : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot Sport? I don't really see it as a sport. More entertainment/recreation. There are quire a few things that need a tagging scheme to suit them. E.g. buskers. These take place in certain spots regularly around me. The popularity of the spot might be related to the earnings. Are these jugglers accepting money for their 'performance'? If so it might be a good idea to incorporate others who do a 'performance' that also accept money. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot
Hello, Le 21.05.19 à 21:34, Pablo a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot I you think that juggling is a sport, sport tag exist, just add sport=juggling but we miss a main tag for sport that does not take place on a delimited sports field, the same issue exist with outdoor sport=scuba_diving ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot
On 5/21/2019 3:34 PM, Pablo wrote A new feature proposal which could be very useful for the juggling community. Usually, jugglers meet in specific spaces in cities (usually open spaces like parcs). There is often a day of the week which is choose to meet in priority. It s like a informal sport center. I thinks it s the same thing for slack lines and acrobatics but I m not sure. Osm could help find theses spots which is very usefull when you travel. If this tag is accepted, I will inform the juggling community so they can add their spots. You can find it here : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/juggling_spot juggling=spot is not a great tag, since it doesn't follow the existing tagging conventions. Better would be sport=juggling -- but the sport=* tag has to be added to some other physical feature; it's not a valid tag all by itself. If there's a signed or otherwise documented and verifiable place that's *primarily* designed/used for juggling, it could be tagged leisure=pitch + sport=juggling. If this use not verifiable by other mappers, the juggling tag will probably be deleted. J ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
