Re: [GTALUG] mbox vs Maildir [was Re: Linux friendly email providers?]
Ah - mbox format - still use it for my mail archives. Convenient for grepping or loading into vi. On Fri, 2023/11/24 01:20:20AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: | | From: Ron / BCLUG via talk | | | I've seen mbox files get corrupted (all mailbox | | messages in one file, and a line like "From: " is the message delimiter. | | Terrible!) | | I don't remember seeing that corruption in the last few decades of using | mbox. The horrors of in-band signalling are well known -- maybe the | software I use reflects that knowledge. I believe in an mbox file, the messages start with "From " (no colon), preceded by either the beginning of the file, or a newline. When the body of a message contains "From " the convention is that it must be replaced by ">From " when saving to the file i.e. add a > before the From. That's how message delimiter confusion is avoided. Geez, there is such much crap filling up my brain. Cheers. John --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
[GTALUG] mbox vs Maildir [was Re: Linux friendly email providers?]
| From: Ron / BCLUG via talk | I've seen mbox files get corrupted (all mailbox | messages in one file, and a line like "From: " is the message delimiter. | Terrible!) I don't remember seeing that corruption in the last few decades of using mbox. The horrors of in-band signalling are well known -- maybe the software I use reflects that knowledge. | I've recently switched to using Maildir format (server *and* Thunderbird). | One message per file. You mentioned that you were running out of space on your system. If a lot of that space is mail messages, I would bet that Maildir is costing you a lot of it. Each message is taking a multiple of the allocation unit size (1KB? 4KB?) and a large part of that is likely unused (the tail of the last unit). My intuition would be that since mail messages are usually short, and the distribution of sizes isn't uniform, you are probably using at least 25% more disk space with Maildir. But intuition is surprisingly bad for computer things. With Thunderbird conversions, you could easily measure this for a real-world example --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Ron, A very long time ago, I switched to Sylpheed, which uses the MH format. In the old days, I used Mbox, and I could switch mail tools any time I felt like it. There are times when I miss that capability, but MH, with a file for each email has been extremely robust. Sylpheed is a nice email tool, mostly plain text. The thing I desperately needed at the time was the capability to download email, read it offline, and use send-later for my replies. On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:33:14 -0800 Ron / BCLUG via talk wrote: > Howard Gibson via talk wrote on 2023-11-22 21:06: > > > Handy tip folks -- Start your emails with a line feed at the top of the > > page. This will separate your content from the blurb corporate email > > servers will attach warning your recipients how evil and dangerous you > > are. > > This is an interesting idea. I've seen mbox files get corrupted (all > mailbox messages in one file, and a line like "From: " is the message > delimiter. Terrible!) > > So, blank line might help with that. > > > I've recently switched to using Maildir format (server *and* > Thunderbird). One message per file. > > Thunderbird says it's not fully supported, but it works fine. The > unsupported features are in how Maildir *renames* a file (often also > with moving it via hard linking) to reflect changes in status (Read, etc.) > > The Read, replied-to, etc. are stored elsewhere in Thunderbird. > > > > I am considering taking out a URL for my website. If I contract > > with a service that provide email, I should be able to download that > > through popmail, right? > > Unsure what's meant by "taking out a URL" -- registering a domain? > > Anyway, POP should be provided by all email services (except Google > apparently), it's literally a single line or 3 of configuration file > entries and is probably enabled by default. So, those that don't offer > it have to remove the feature (as I understand it). > > Also, it saves on disk space if the user immediately downloads and > deletes the messages, and that's a significant resource - disk space. > > At least, it is in my situation. > > > > --- > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Howard Gibson hgib...@eol.ca http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] roundcube test, is Linux friendly email providers?
Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-23 15:03:
I engaged the keystroke on the submit button, getting a 510 server error.
I had a quick look for a 510 error and didn't see anything.
Will have another look later.
When I raised the JavaScript friendly lever, moving next to the links as
an a chain browser, I learned why.
here the coding on that send button just says button, as in not intended
to work with the entre key.
final JavaScript friendly more graphical browser, elinks, which can be
built that way shows the button coded as harmless.
from a web contact access guideline standpoint, that hints at someone
using JavaScript 0, which is an absolute shame because from my simple
test absolutely everything else works.
I see there's a JS event tied to the send button, but it seems innocuous:
function onclick(event) {
return rcmail.command('send', '', this, event)
}
Way to reach their support team?
There's an Issues header link at this URL:
https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail
There are 299 currently shown.
That'd be the best way to see what a resolution might look like.
This could be quite an amazing tool, perhaps there is a configuration
that fixes this issue?
I don't think so; not aware of anything off the top of my head.
Anyone else here know RoundCube?
rb
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Re: [GTALUG] Browsers (and Thorium to be specific)
I by default don't run JS, and then with the Noscript plugin, grant js access. Many sites will block you without JS running. Though I depend on FF, which usually works, I don't mind if web sites crack and don't render well. I also regularly run Tor. I haven't had an issue with Chrome, other than that my version is no longer supported and they want me to upgrade my Linux version. On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 at 17:36, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 2:56 PM Ron / BCLUG via talk > wrote: > > > > Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 11:38: > > > > > It is pretty annoying that chrome has become the new IE. Lots of web > > > developers only use chrome and don't care that their javascript or html > > > doesn't work on other browsers anymore. > > > > I too find it annoying. > > > > Especially since the standards are so well implemented by all (both) the > > major browsers, and the cutting edge features should gracefully degrade > > but not break the site. > > > > > > Any examples of a site that doesn't work with Firefox? > > > > > > I might give one a try; it's beautiful and sunny outside and I'm not > > just not feeling angry enough. Need something to fix that. > > > > > Chuckling > > I can really empathize!! > > I use FF as my main browser it usually seems to work - - - - its the > only browser that > doesn't barf at my using more than 1 virtual desktop (I use a lot!!!). > > To get some chromium connection - - - well I have Brave, Vivaldi, > Opera, as well as > Links 2 and Min which I only use sporadically. > > I am starting to think of using a non-javascript browser - - - I'm > just so tired of the > bloated number of linked in domains I've found to almost 350 at times - - > - now > that's nuts!!! > > HTH > --- > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
[GTALUG] roundcube test, is Linux friendly email providers?
Well...poodle noodle. First, Ron is a prince among men heading to knighthood for setting up this almost perfect test. Not knowing how the alias concept works, I used the other credentials, login in perfectly, three times in fact. Name of my inbox, a frankly stunning amount of options. so as a test, I chose inbox, was presented with the understandable information that my inbox is empty..quite wonderful so far tough. so, next test would be to try sending an email. all the fields worked, there are associated editors with all three of the browsers I use here at shellworld, with my getting the correct status line fields, along with my editor for spell checking the body...dancing with joy, or I was until I reached the send button. This, for reasons that make no sense whatsoever, has been scripted, as in Javascripted to be disabled from the keyboard. Lynx, which many, speaking personally, think of as a text only browser, actually has a keystroke to manage this..it has an html5 plug in too, but I digress. so, I engaged the keystroke on the submit button, getting a 510 server error. When I raised the JavaScript friendly lever, moving next to the links as an a chain browser, I learned why. here the coding on that send button just says button, as in not intended to work with the entre key. final JavaScript friendly more graphical browser, elinks, which can be built that way shows the button coded as harmless. from a web contact access guideline standpoint, that hints at someone using JavaScript 0, which is an absolute shame because from my simple test absolutely everything else works. Way to reach their support team? This could be quite an amazing tool, perhaps there is a configuration that fixes this issue? With appreciation, Kare --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Browsers (and Thorium to be specific)
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 2:56 PM Ron / BCLUG via talk wrote: > > Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 11:38: > > > It is pretty annoying that chrome has become the new IE. Lots of web > > developers only use chrome and don't care that their javascript or html > > doesn't work on other browsers anymore. > > I too find it annoying. > > Especially since the standards are so well implemented by all (both) the > major browsers, and the cutting edge features should gracefully degrade > but not break the site. > > > Any examples of a site that doesn't work with Firefox? > > > I might give one a try; it's beautiful and sunny outside and I'm not > just not feeling angry enough. Need something to fix that. > > Chuckling I can really empathize!! I use FF as my main browser it usually seems to work - - - - its the only browser that doesn't barf at my using more than 1 virtual desktop (I use a lot!!!). To get some chromium connection - - - well I have Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, as well as Links 2 and Min which I only use sporadically. I am starting to think of using a non-javascript browser - - - I'm just so tired of the bloated number of linked in domains I've found to almost 350 at times - - - now that's nuts!!! HTH --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
hi, wrote back with a question..and a very tiny but growing hope balloon! Kare On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Ron / BCLUG via talk wrote: Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10: > > 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web > > interface, > > RoundCube web interface okay? actually, you would be doing a number of people a huge favor if I can test this. While roundcube has been suggested, there is some confusion around how well it can function with speech. so, delighted to test that theory for sure. A test account has been set up and credentials sent off-list. Please let us know how RoundCube works for you. I forgot to mention, but there's a plugin enabled in RoundCube allowing you to change your password. Let us know how well it works, and good luck! rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Browsers (and Thorium to be specific)
Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 11:38: It is pretty annoying that chrome has become the new IE. Lots of web developers only use chrome and don't care that their javascript or html doesn't work on other browsers anymore. I too find it annoying. Especially since the standards are so well implemented by all (both) the major browsers, and the cutting edge features should gracefully degrade but not break the site. Any examples of a site that doesn't work with Firefox? I might give one a try; it's beautiful and sunny outside and I'm not just not feeling angry enough. Need something to fix that. rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10: 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web interface, RoundCube web interface okay? > actually, you would be doing a number of people a huge favor if I can test this. While roundcube has been suggested, there is some confusion around how well it can function with speech. so, delighted to test that theory for sure. A test account has been set up and credentials sent off-list. Please let us know how RoundCube works for you. I forgot to mention, but there's a plugin enabled in RoundCube allowing you to change your password. Let us know how well it works, and good luck! rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10: Will I have say a folder for the sent mail, one for my current inbox..allowing me to clear some of that down, my contact list? Contact list - that's not really part of email as I understand it. However, I could set up contacts & calendaring on one of my Nextcloud instances. In short if you remember what basic gmail look like? Not at all. I suppose you create a spam folder as well? I believe it's set up to auto-create folders when required. i.e. a brand new account only has Inbox. Sending a first message ought to create Sent. etc. As for spam, I'm actually not running any normal spam filtering. With the smtp rules locked in place, the only spam I've encountered is some persistent Canada Post campaign coming from various IPs. I may add that to my home-made mail filter that I'm working on. With the checks in place before accepting email, it seems very little gets through. rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Howard Gibson via talk wrote on 2023-11-22 21:06: Handy tip folks -- Start your emails with a line feed at the top of the page. This will separate your content from the blurb corporate email servers will attach warning your recipients how evil and dangerous you are. This is an interesting idea. I've seen mbox files get corrupted (all mailbox messages in one file, and a line like "From: " is the message delimiter. Terrible!) So, blank line might help with that. I've recently switched to using Maildir format (server *and* Thunderbird). One message per file. Thunderbird says it's not fully supported, but it works fine. The unsupported features are in how Maildir *renames* a file (often also with moving it via hard linking) to reflect changes in status (Read, etc.) The Read, replied-to, etc. are stored elsewhere in Thunderbird. I am considering taking out a URL for my website. If I contract with a service that provide email, I should be able to download that through popmail, right? Unsure what's meant by "taking out a URL" -- registering a domain? Anyway, POP should be provided by all email services (except Google apparently), it's literally a single line or 3 of configuration file entries and is probably enabled by default. So, those that don't offer it have to remove the feature (as I understand it). Also, it saves on disk space if the user immediately downloads and deletes the messages, and that's a significant resource - disk space. At least, it is in my situation. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10: 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. I could provide that ability, see below. I may need to get a better picture, have never used Thunderbird. I've been thinking a lot about this. Thunderbird being a GUI, it may be difficult for you to use. And, I'm completely unfamiliar with Alpine / Mutt. Chances are, the Gmail messages are stored locally in mbox format (all messages for a mailbox / folder are stored in one file). My server stores in the Maildir (one message per file) format. Hence, a tool like Thunderbird can help here. Need to think on this more. 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web interface, RoundCube web interface okay? actually, you would be doing a number of people a huge favor if I can test this. While roundcube has been suggested, there is some confusion around how well it can function with speech. so, delighted to test that theory for sure. I will set up something for you to try. Was hoping to have it ready now, but... /excuses or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email client, think Alpine for example. Can you run Alpine locally in your DOS-like environment? I ask, because I could provide ssh access, *but*, email is stored under a virtual user's account, not individual Linux users' accounts. So, ssh-ing in would still require connecting to the server (localhost) via IMAP and smtp; no file system access to messages. Unless I can think up some hack with hard-links? Hmmm. Hadn't considered that. Perhaps ssh with ForceCommand=/usr/bin/alpine ? um... my lack of direct Linux awareness is showing. Still, perhaps? That was just me thinking out loud - it'd be an option set on the server's sshd_config file. If it helps, I ssh into the shell dreamhost provides my office, finding alpine there. Better example, i use the current compile of sshdos to reach shellworld, which is rooted in Ubuntu. Can I just say, it's great that you're able to use ssh in your environment, and kudos! there are browsers that can provide the what to do with an email link, assuming that the interface does not manage the job..but you likely know this. I wish I knew more about the various aria settings for web devs to enable accessibility. Seems the features are there but often overlooked. How much storage does your email use? My VPS is fairly restricted on space (it can be upgraded). > Oh there is allot I can dump, of course if I can ever see it again. Not much of the standard gmail would provide..what sort of limit? At the moment, I'm using 96% of my storage(!). Looks like I've got deal with that, and quickly. How much storage depends on how much $. It's not expensive, I'd have to look at the pricing. As far as "exporting" from another account - I used Thunderbird to drag & drop all messages between (active) IMAP accounts when setting up new system. > How does that look exactly? Will I have say a folder for the sent mail, one for my current inbox..allowing me to clear some of that down, my contact list? In short if you remember what basic gmail look like? I suppose you create a spam folder as well? When migrating, I set up a new account m...@domain.tld with IMAP & smtp set to new domain IPs, use Thunderbird to copy all messages / folders from m...@domain.tld account (with IMAP pointing to old IPs) to m...@domain.tld, then rename on server and in Thunderbird me2@ to me@. It's a bit convoluted. I could probably come up with something better, but having 2 sets of servers serving m...@domain.tld is always going to be awkward. Another question - were you wanting your own domain, or is the domain irrelevant? I had not considered the question, too busy seeking mail client ideas and getting very very confused. as it turns out I have two domains that are kept at gkg.net, but are not associated with a hosting plan. if that is too complicated, It should be do-able without too much difficulty. Most of my domains are @FirstnameLastname.tld which wouldn't be appropriate. But I have a couple others to use; migration of those should be done by end of month. Sorry this took so long to put together. Still trying to anticipate any / all obstacles. I'll set up a test account and send you a link to RoundCube - interested to hear about how that works. rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Browsers (and Thorium to be specific)
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 02:07:36PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > I've been a happy (sorta) user of Firefox for a long long time but I found > I have needed a Chromium-based backup because there are some sites that > Just Won't Work under FF. Blank white screens, hanging, missing frames, the > problem varies but it never exists on Chrome or Edge. (Sorry, Brave, just > couldn't get into it.) > > Now The YouTube recommendation algorithms have been of late feeding me with > quite a few reviews of the Thorium browser, some of which come from > channels I have watched before. > > Is it worth the hype? At very least, is it a better alternative to Chrome > or Edge? I would like to sync bookmarks, plugins and logins between devices > and have some sense of stability (is that it will be around for a while). > Is there something else even better? It is pretty annoying that chrome has become the new IE. Lots of web developers only use chrome and don't care that their javascript or html doesn't work on other browsers anymore. I use chrome as little as possible, but yes a few sites are so badly made that they don't work on anything else. -- Len Sorensen --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
[GTALUG] Browsers (and Thorium to be specific)
Hi all. I've been a happy (sorta) user of Firefox for a long long time but I found I have needed a Chromium-based backup because there are some sites that Just Won't Work under FF. Blank white screens, hanging, missing frames, the problem varies but it never exists on Chrome or Edge. (Sorry, Brave, just couldn't get into it.) Now The YouTube recommendation algorithms have been of late feeding me with quite a few reviews of the Thorium browser, some of which come from channels I have watched before. Is it worth the hype? At very least, is it a better alternative to Chrome or Edge? I would like to sync bookmarks, plugins and logins between devices and have some sense of stability (is that it will be around for a while). Is there something else even better? Thanks for any feedback. -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56 --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
If you are looking for something *really* cheap, and don't mind getting your hands dirty a little bit: mxroute.com They offer a lifetime plan for $125USD, unlimited accounts, unlimited domains, with the caveat that you get very little storage: 10G for everything. https://accounts.mxroute.com/index.php?/news/view/53/lifetime-plan/ This does not bother me in the least because I am just using them as an MTA and use fetchmail to just download any emails every 5 minutes to my internal mail server. They do offer webmail, several of them, including RoundCube. Maybe not exactly what you need, but maybe someone can find them useful. -nick On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 9:01 AM Johnny Tao via talk wrote: > Take a look Migadu. The Linux kernel developing team is using it. $19 per > year for the Micro plan. The limitation is for the emails you can receive > and send every day. > > Fastmail can be another option. I used to use it for my business emails. > > I have tested more than 18 months + for each of them. > > Johnny > > > -Original Message- > From: talk On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen via talk > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 9:25 PM > To: talk@gtalug.org > Cc: Karen Lewellen > Subject: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers? > > Hi folks, > let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail > servers laughs. > for context, although google is removing access to basic html in January, > they pulled my access to it early..and without warning on Monday. > So, what I am seeking now is a provider that can.. > 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. > 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web > interface, or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email > client, think Alpine for example. > 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail > content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great > deal of personal, professional, and legal files. > Yes, something like Mutt might or might be configured for imap.gmail.com > However, I am not a programmer, and given all the changes google is making, > wonder how long they will allow third party access of that type. > Would rather locate something Linux friendly, and even pay for a door > then need to construct my own house if that makes sense. > any good options? > Kare > > > --- > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing > list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > --- > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Take a look Migadu. The Linux kernel developing team is using it. $19 per year for the Micro plan. The limitation is for the emails you can receive and send every day. Fastmail can be another option. I used to use it for my business emails. I have tested more than 18 months + for each of them. Johnny -Original Message- From: talk On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen via talk Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 9:25 PM To: talk@gtalug.org Cc: Karen Lewellen Subject: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers? Hi folks, let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail servers laughs. for context, although google is removing access to basic html in January, they pulled my access to it early..and without warning on Monday. So, what I am seeking now is a provider that can.. 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web interface, or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email client, think Alpine for example. 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great deal of personal, professional, and legal files. Yes, something like Mutt might or might be configured for imap.gmail.com However, I am not a programmer, and given all the changes google is making, wonder how long they will allow third party access of that type. Would rather locate something Linux friendly, and even pay for a door then need to construct my own house if that makes sense. any good options? Kare --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 8:25 PM Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > > Hi folks, > let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail > servers laughs. > for context, although google is removing access to basic html in January, > they pulled my access to it early..and without warning on Monday. > So, what I am seeking now is a provider that can.. > 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. > 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web > interface, or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email > client, think Alpine for example. > 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail > content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great > deal of personal, professional, and legal files. Haven't checked lately but in the googleverse (IIRC) its called 'takeout' where you can download all the stored (or which ones you wish) from their server. My registrar (I think that is the correct term) not only offers to takes my money to keep my domain name(s) alive but also offers email hosting namespro.ca . Their pricing and service for domain registration is excellent dunno their hosting though. A mentor (gone some time now) recommended using claws email I haven't run it yet. HTH --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
