Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Ron, A very long time ago, I switched to Sylpheed, which uses the MH format. In the old days, I used Mbox, and I could switch mail tools any time I felt like it. There are times when I miss that capability, but MH, with a file for each email has been extremely robust. Sylpheed is a nice email tool, mostly plain text. The thing I desperately needed at the time was the capability to download email, read it offline, and use send-later for my replies. On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:33:14 -0800 Ron / BCLUG via talk wrote: > Howard Gibson via talk wrote on 2023-11-22 21:06: > > > Handy tip folks -- Start your emails with a line feed at the top of the > > page. This will separate your content from the blurb corporate email > > servers will attach warning your recipients how evil and dangerous you > > are. > > This is an interesting idea. I've seen mbox files get corrupted (all > mailbox messages in one file, and a line like "From: " is the message > delimiter. Terrible!) > > So, blank line might help with that. > > > I've recently switched to using Maildir format (server *and* > Thunderbird). One message per file. > > Thunderbird says it's not fully supported, but it works fine. The > unsupported features are in how Maildir *renames* a file (often also > with moving it via hard linking) to reflect changes in status (Read, etc.) > > The Read, replied-to, etc. are stored elsewhere in Thunderbird. > > > > I am considering taking out a URL for my website. If I contract > > with a service that provide email, I should be able to download that > > through popmail, right? > > Unsure what's meant by "taking out a URL" -- registering a domain? > > Anyway, POP should be provided by all email services (except Google > apparently), it's literally a single line or 3 of configuration file > entries and is probably enabled by default. So, those that don't offer > it have to remove the feature (as I understand it). > > Also, it saves on disk space if the user immediately downloads and > deletes the messages, and that's a significant resource - disk space. > > At least, it is in my situation. > > > > --- > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Howard Gibson hgib...@eol.ca http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
hi, wrote back with a question..and a very tiny but growing hope balloon! Kare On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Ron / BCLUG via talk wrote: Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10: > > 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web > > interface, > > RoundCube web interface okay? actually, you would be doing a number of people a huge favor if I can test this. While roundcube has been suggested, there is some confusion around how well it can function with speech. so, delighted to test that theory for sure. A test account has been set up and credentials sent off-list. Please let us know how RoundCube works for you. I forgot to mention, but there's a plugin enabled in RoundCube allowing you to change your password. Let us know how well it works, and good luck! rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10: 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web interface, RoundCube web interface okay? > actually, you would be doing a number of people a huge favor if I can test this. While roundcube has been suggested, there is some confusion around how well it can function with speech. so, delighted to test that theory for sure. A test account has been set up and credentials sent off-list. Please let us know how RoundCube works for you. I forgot to mention, but there's a plugin enabled in RoundCube allowing you to change your password. Let us know how well it works, and good luck! rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10: Will I have say a folder for the sent mail, one for my current inbox..allowing me to clear some of that down, my contact list? Contact list - that's not really part of email as I understand it. However, I could set up contacts & calendaring on one of my Nextcloud instances. In short if you remember what basic gmail look like? Not at all. I suppose you create a spam folder as well? I believe it's set up to auto-create folders when required. i.e. a brand new account only has Inbox. Sending a first message ought to create Sent. etc. As for spam, I'm actually not running any normal spam filtering. With the smtp rules locked in place, the only spam I've encountered is some persistent Canada Post campaign coming from various IPs. I may add that to my home-made mail filter that I'm working on. With the checks in place before accepting email, it seems very little gets through. rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Howard Gibson via talk wrote on 2023-11-22 21:06: Handy tip folks -- Start your emails with a line feed at the top of the page. This will separate your content from the blurb corporate email servers will attach warning your recipients how evil and dangerous you are. This is an interesting idea. I've seen mbox files get corrupted (all mailbox messages in one file, and a line like "From: " is the message delimiter. Terrible!) So, blank line might help with that. I've recently switched to using Maildir format (server *and* Thunderbird). One message per file. Thunderbird says it's not fully supported, but it works fine. The unsupported features are in how Maildir *renames* a file (often also with moving it via hard linking) to reflect changes in status (Read, etc.) The Read, replied-to, etc. are stored elsewhere in Thunderbird. I am considering taking out a URL for my website. If I contract with a service that provide email, I should be able to download that through popmail, right? Unsure what's meant by "taking out a URL" -- registering a domain? Anyway, POP should be provided by all email services (except Google apparently), it's literally a single line or 3 of configuration file entries and is probably enabled by default. So, those that don't offer it have to remove the feature (as I understand it). Also, it saves on disk space if the user immediately downloads and deletes the messages, and that's a significant resource - disk space. At least, it is in my situation. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Karen Lewellen wrote on 2023-11-22 22:10: 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. I could provide that ability, see below. I may need to get a better picture, have never used Thunderbird. I've been thinking a lot about this. Thunderbird being a GUI, it may be difficult for you to use. And, I'm completely unfamiliar with Alpine / Mutt. Chances are, the Gmail messages are stored locally in mbox format (all messages for a mailbox / folder are stored in one file). My server stores in the Maildir (one message per file) format. Hence, a tool like Thunderbird can help here. Need to think on this more. 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web interface, RoundCube web interface okay? actually, you would be doing a number of people a huge favor if I can test this. While roundcube has been suggested, there is some confusion around how well it can function with speech. so, delighted to test that theory for sure. I will set up something for you to try. Was hoping to have it ready now, but... /excuses or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email client, think Alpine for example. Can you run Alpine locally in your DOS-like environment? I ask, because I could provide ssh access, *but*, email is stored under a virtual user's account, not individual Linux users' accounts. So, ssh-ing in would still require connecting to the server (localhost) via IMAP and smtp; no file system access to messages. Unless I can think up some hack with hard-links? Hmmm. Hadn't considered that. Perhaps ssh with ForceCommand=/usr/bin/alpine ? um... my lack of direct Linux awareness is showing. Still, perhaps? That was just me thinking out loud - it'd be an option set on the server's sshd_config file. If it helps, I ssh into the shell dreamhost provides my office, finding alpine there. Better example, i use the current compile of sshdos to reach shellworld, which is rooted in Ubuntu. Can I just say, it's great that you're able to use ssh in your environment, and kudos! there are browsers that can provide the what to do with an email link, assuming that the interface does not manage the job..but you likely know this. I wish I knew more about the various aria settings for web devs to enable accessibility. Seems the features are there but often overlooked. How much storage does your email use? My VPS is fairly restricted on space (it can be upgraded). > Oh there is allot I can dump, of course if I can ever see it again. Not much of the standard gmail would provide..what sort of limit? At the moment, I'm using 96% of my storage(!). Looks like I've got deal with that, and quickly. How much storage depends on how much $. It's not expensive, I'd have to look at the pricing. As far as "exporting" from another account - I used Thunderbird to drag & drop all messages between (active) IMAP accounts when setting up new system. > How does that look exactly? Will I have say a folder for the sent mail, one for my current inbox..allowing me to clear some of that down, my contact list? In short if you remember what basic gmail look like? I suppose you create a spam folder as well? When migrating, I set up a new account m...@domain.tld with IMAP & smtp set to new domain IPs, use Thunderbird to copy all messages / folders from m...@domain.tld account (with IMAP pointing to old IPs) to m...@domain.tld, then rename on server and in Thunderbird me2@ to me@. It's a bit convoluted. I could probably come up with something better, but having 2 sets of servers serving m...@domain.tld is always going to be awkward. Another question - were you wanting your own domain, or is the domain irrelevant? I had not considered the question, too busy seeking mail client ideas and getting very very confused. as it turns out I have two domains that are kept at gkg.net, but are not associated with a hosting plan. if that is too complicated, It should be do-able without too much difficulty. Most of my domains are @FirstnameLastname.tld which wouldn't be appropriate. But I have a couple others to use; migration of those should be done by end of month. Sorry this took so long to put together. Still trying to anticipate any / all obstacles. I'll set up a test account and send you a link to RoundCube - interested to hear about how that works. rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
If you are looking for something *really* cheap, and don't mind getting your hands dirty a little bit: mxroute.com They offer a lifetime plan for $125USD, unlimited accounts, unlimited domains, with the caveat that you get very little storage: 10G for everything. https://accounts.mxroute.com/index.php?/news/view/53/lifetime-plan/ This does not bother me in the least because I am just using them as an MTA and use fetchmail to just download any emails every 5 minutes to my internal mail server. They do offer webmail, several of them, including RoundCube. Maybe not exactly what you need, but maybe someone can find them useful. -nick On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 9:01 AM Johnny Tao via talk wrote: > Take a look Migadu. The Linux kernel developing team is using it. $19 per > year for the Micro plan. The limitation is for the emails you can receive > and send every day. > > Fastmail can be another option. I used to use it for my business emails. > > I have tested more than 18 months + for each of them. > > Johnny > > > -Original Message- > From: talk On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen via talk > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 9:25 PM > To: talk@gtalug.org > Cc: Karen Lewellen > Subject: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers? > > Hi folks, > let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail > servers laughs. > for context, although google is removing access to basic html in January, > they pulled my access to it early..and without warning on Monday. > So, what I am seeking now is a provider that can.. > 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. > 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web > interface, or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email > client, think Alpine for example. > 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail > content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great > deal of personal, professional, and legal files. > Yes, something like Mutt might or might be configured for imap.gmail.com > However, I am not a programmer, and given all the changes google is making, > wonder how long they will allow third party access of that type. > Would rather locate something Linux friendly, and even pay for a door > then need to construct my own house if that makes sense. > any good options? > Kare > > > --- > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing > list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > --- > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Take a look Migadu. The Linux kernel developing team is using it. $19 per year for the Micro plan. The limitation is for the emails you can receive and send every day. Fastmail can be another option. I used to use it for my business emails. I have tested more than 18 months + for each of them. Johnny -Original Message- From: talk On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen via talk Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 9:25 PM To: talk@gtalug.org Cc: Karen Lewellen Subject: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers? Hi folks, let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail servers laughs. for context, although google is removing access to basic html in January, they pulled my access to it early..and without warning on Monday. So, what I am seeking now is a provider that can.. 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web interface, or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email client, think Alpine for example. 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great deal of personal, professional, and legal files. Yes, something like Mutt might or might be configured for imap.gmail.com However, I am not a programmer, and given all the changes google is making, wonder how long they will allow third party access of that type. Would rather locate something Linux friendly, and even pay for a door then need to construct my own house if that makes sense. any good options? Kare --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 8:25 PM Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > > Hi folks, > let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail > servers laughs. > for context, although google is removing access to basic html in January, > they pulled my access to it early..and without warning on Monday. > So, what I am seeking now is a provider that can.. > 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. > 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web > interface, or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email > client, think Alpine for example. > 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail > content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great > deal of personal, professional, and legal files. Haven't checked lately but in the googleverse (IIRC) its called 'takeout' where you can download all the stored (or which ones you wish) from their server. My registrar (I think that is the correct term) not only offers to takes my money to keep my domain name(s) alive but also offers email hosting namespro.ca . Their pricing and service for domain registration is excellent dunno their hosting though. A mentor (gone some time now) recommended using claws email I haven't run it yet. HTH --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Hi there, Going to try for clean in context. On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, Ron / BCLUG via talk wrote: I'm guilty of putting myself through that. Have run email on a small domain for a few years and am in the process of moving several more to an entirely new system. Ah ha! laughs..but this might rock my world. Been *really* deep in the various configuration options for multi-domain email setup. Translation: thank you Santa!! Oh no! You have no idea how much I use this address, even for file converting. Services, lists..my sculpting class for those experiencing blindness. Yet another step in the ongoing decline of Google. Amen!! 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. I could provide that ability, see below. I may need to get a better picture, have never used Thunderbird. 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web interface, RoundCube web interface okay? actually, you would be doing a number of people a huge favor if I can test this. While roundcube has been suggested, there is some confusion around how well it can function with speech. so, delighted to test that theory for sure. or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email client, think Alpine for example. Hmmm. Hadn't considered that. Perhaps ssh with ForceCommand=/usr/bin/alpine ? um... my lack of direct Linux awareness is showing. Still, perhaps? If it helps, I ssh into the shell dreamhost provides my office, finding alpine there. Better example, i use the current compile of sshdos to reach shellworld, which is rooted in Ubuntu. there are browsers that can provide the what to do with an email link, assuming that the interface does not manage the job..but you likely know this. 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great deal of personal, professional, and legal files. Yes, something like Mutt might or might be configured for imap.gmail.com However, I am not a programmer, and given all the changes google is making, wonder how long they will allow third party access of that type. Would rather locate something Linux friendly, and even pay for a door then need to construct my own house if that makes sense. any good options? I've considered offering email services, this might be something I could do. I think I am going to cry! How much storage does your email use? My VPS is fairly restricted on space (it can be upgraded). Oh there is allot I can dump, of course if I can ever see it again. Not much of the standard gmail would provide..what sort of limit? As far as "exporting" from another account - I used Thunderbird to drag & drop all messages between (active) IMAP accounts when setting up new system. How does that look exactly? Will I have say a folder for the sent mail, one for my current inbox..allowing me to clear some of that down, my contact list? In short if you remember what basic gmail look like? I suppose you create a spam folder as well? Another question - were you wanting your own domain, or is the domain irrelevant? I had not considered the question, too busy seeking mail client ideas and getting very very confused. as it turns out I have two domains that are kept at gkg.net, but are not associated with a hosting plan. if that is too complicated, believe me I would gladly become k...@noodlesoup.ca..if it solves this problem. Absolutely speechless with joy, Kare Cheers, rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
I used Thunderbird to drag & drop all messages between (active) IMAP accounts when setting up new system. There's a (somewhat ancient) tool called imapcopy that I've been keeping in my back pocket for just such an occasion. Command line, no SSL/TLS support (except through tunnelling), and sparse documentation. This group should love it. --Bob. On 2023-11-22 21:35, Ron / BCLUG via talk wrote: Karen Lewellen via talk wrote on 2023-11-22 18:25: let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail servers laughs. I'm guilty of putting myself through that. Have run email on a small domain for a few years and am in the process of moving several more to an entirely new system. Been *really* deep in the various configuration options for multi-domain email setup. for context, although google is removing access to basic html in January, they pulled my access to it early..and without warning on Monday. Oh no! Yet another step in the ongoing decline of Google. So, what I am seeking now is a provider that can.. 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. I could provide that ability, see below. 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web interface, RoundCube web interface okay? or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email client, think Alpine for example. Hmmm. Hadn't considered that. Perhaps ssh with ForceCommand=/usr/bin/alpine ? 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great deal of personal, professional, and legal files. Yes, something like Mutt might or might be configured for imap.gmail.com However, I am not a programmer, and given all the changes google is making, wonder how long they will allow third party access of that type. Would rather locate something Linux friendly, and even pay for a door then need to construct my own house if that makes sense. any good options? I've considered offering email services, this might be something I could do. How much storage does your email use? My VPS is fairly restricted on space (it can be upgraded). As far as "exporting" from another account - I used Thunderbird to drag & drop all messages between (active) IMAP accounts when setting up new system. Another question - were you wanting your own domain, or is the domain irrelevant? Cheers, rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Bob Jonkman Phone: +1-519-635-9413 SOBAC Microcomputer Services http://sobac.com/sobac/ Software --- Office & Business Automation --- Consulting GnuPG Fngrprnt:04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:25:13 -0500 (EST) Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > Hi folks, > let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail > servers laughs. > for context, although google is removing access to basic html in January, > they pulled my access to it early..and without warning on Monday. > So, what I am seeking now is a provider that can.. > 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. > 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web > interface, or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email > client, think Alpine for example. > 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail > content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great > deal of personal, professional, and legal files. Karen, I ran email on my local machine about twenty years ago. I stopped at the time because a number of people I communicated with were sitting behind firewalls that excluded home email servers. I cannot access my personal website from work because that is considered dangerous. I have a gmail account, and I can no longer download by popmail. Handy tip folks -- Start your emails with a line feed at the top of the page. This will separate your content from the blurb corporate email servers will attach warning your recipients how evil and dangerous you are. I am considering taking out a URL for my website. If I contract with a service that provide email, I should be able to download that through popmail, right? -- Howard Gibson hgib...@eol.ca http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Karen Lewellen via talk wrote on 2023-11-22 18:25: let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail servers laughs. I'm guilty of putting myself through that. Have run email on a small domain for a few years and am in the process of moving several more to an entirely new system. Been *really* deep in the various configuration options for multi-domain email setup. for context, although google is removing access to basic html in January, they pulled my access to it early..and without warning on Monday. Oh no! Yet another step in the ongoing decline of Google. So, what I am seeking now is a provider that can.. 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. I could provide that ability, see below. 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web interface, RoundCube web interface okay? or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email client, think Alpine for example. Hmmm. Hadn't considered that. Perhaps ssh with ForceCommand=/usr/bin/alpine ? 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great deal of personal, professional, and legal files. Yes, something like Mutt might or might be configured for imap.gmail.com However, I am not a programmer, and given all the changes google is making, wonder how long they will allow third party access of that type. Would rather locate something Linux friendly, and even pay for a door then need to construct my own house if that makes sense. any good options? I've considered offering email services, this might be something I could do. How much storage does your email use? My VPS is fairly restricted on space (it can be upgraded). As far as "exporting" from another account - I used Thunderbird to drag & drop all messages between (active) IMAP accounts when setting up new system. Another question - were you wanting your own domain, or is the domain irrelevant? Cheers, rb --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
[GTALUG] Linux friendly email providers?
Hi folks, let me be more specific..some of you tech wizards run your own mail servers laughs. for context, although google is removing access to basic html in January, they pulled my access to it early..and without warning on Monday. So, what I am seeking now is a provider that can.. 1, allow me to export all of my gmail content to them. 2, either allows for user name / password log in directly with a web interface, or where I can ssh into a shell or workspace and find an email client, think Alpine for example. 3, where I can also send email, in theory once I have all of my gmail content, I can set that email to forward without losing access to a great deal of personal, professional, and legal files. Yes, something like Mutt might or might be configured for imap.gmail.com However, I am not a programmer, and given all the changes google is making, wonder how long they will allow third party access of that type. Would rather locate something Linux friendly, and even pay for a door then need to construct my own house if that makes sense. any good options? Kare --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
