Re: is spybot accessible

[David via Talk]

Spybot Search & Destroy, is an Anti-Spyware program. It will take care 
of an extensive list of known malwares, search for them, and destroy or 
delete them.


Besides having a system scanning function, it also have the capability 
of "watching" your system activity. For instance, when surfing the net, 
it may block certain malicious activity.


One interesting detail of it, is that it has an Imunizer - that is, it 
will prevent your system from future attacks, even if they are not yet 
at your machine. At least, that is what they attempt to do.


It does come in both a free version, and a paid for flavor. Main 
difference, from what I can make out, is that the paid for version will 
automatically update its databases, whereas the free version requires 
you to do so once a week or so. Further, it seems the paid for version 
will have some extra watchdogs hanging around your system, just to make 
sure even less intruders will have their chance.


Yesterday morning, I did find my system acting up on me. For one thing, 
the fan kept spinning more than usual, and Thunderbird and WE did not go 
hand in hand as they should. Well, and just in general, I found it was 
time for a system cleanup. I ran Spybot, it found some 20 issues, which 
I asked it to automatically do with, as it desired. And now, my system 
is back to good performance, and I can write and edit my emails as usual 
again. Apparently, some strange stuff had sneaked in here. Not saying 
this is the ONE AND ONLY software to go for. I regularly run a handful 
security packages here. But at least it is worth a try with the Spybot 
cleaner. A few days ago, I ran Malwarebytes, and although it took care 
of some of the issues on the machine, it obviously did not do all of 
them. This not to hold one against the other, but just to underline the 
importance of scrubbing your PC with different tools and detergents 
every now and then.


Spybot has their own homepage, which you could search on the net, to get 
the more full picture of their software and services.



David

On 9/1/2016 11:10 PM, brennenki...@gmail.com wrote:
> What is this program never heard of it before
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 2:34 PM, David via Talk  
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you are asking about Spybot Search & Destroy, then Yes, it is
>> accessible enough.
>>
>>
>> You have to use the mousekeys some, but then again, which program now
>> aday does not require you to do so?
>>
>>
>> Also, I find that it is easier to run the different parts of the
>> package, off from the SysTray, instead of trying to operate the main
>> control panel of the package. Go to the SysTray, arrow to the Spybot
>> Icon, and press Shift-F10 or the App-key. Then arrow down to the
>> individual task you are looking for, like Update, Immunize or System
>> scan, and hit Enter. The chosen software will open. Here hit Alt-T for
>> choosing Task, and use the arrow keys to make your selection, before
>> hitting Enter. To read the results, and the progress of the task, you
>> need your mousekeys.
>>
>>
>> Like I said, accessible enough, and mainly does a pretty good job. Just
>> ran a scan this morning, and got an end to some buggy behavior on my system.
>>
>>
>> Please note, I only have tried the free version of the software, cannot
>> speak for any differences in the paid version.
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>> On 9/1/2016 3:41 PM, Lee Hodgson via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> can anyone tell me if spybot is still usable with window eyes.  I
>>> loved it in the old days, but not sure how accessible it is now. so
>>> wanted to check before considering installing.
>>> thanks
>>> Lee, Emily my guiding  furry snowflake and Chester and simba the
>>> feline fellas
>>> leehodge on dice world
>>> My wife is JessHodge on Dice world
>>> Follow me on Twitter Lee__Hodgson with two underlines between first
>>> and second names, and on audioboo user name leehodge
>>>
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Re: is spybot accessible

[David via Talk]

Basically, I just let it take care of all found issues, and generally 
that does the job. But when you have performed a scan, there is a list 
of found issues, with checkboxes. I guess, unchecking some of them, will 
make the program skip these issues, but as I stated, I don't really 
bother much about the list. Sometimes I do scroll through it, just to 
make sure what it actually found, only then to ask it select all the 
issues, and get the job done.


Sorry if this is a bit off-side from your query, but that is how it has 
worked for me for a long time. Since my system is newly scanned, I don't 
have a chance of checking how accessible the checkboxes in the list are 
- i.e if you can hear when a box is checked or unchecked. Again, sorry 
for not being of more help on this one.



David

On 9/1/2016 9:56 PM, Tom Fairhurst wrote:
> Can you act upon the results? I currently have MalWare Bytes with 
> which I have great difficulty acting on the results. I have been told 
> you need sighted assistance for some of it. I don't have a problem 
> using the mopuse keys, but I get frustrated the more sighted 
> assistance is required. Obviously, sometimes there is no other way.
>
> -Original Message- From: David via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 1:34 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: is spybot accessible
>
> If you are asking about Spybot Search & Destroy, then Yes, it is
> accessible enough.
>
>
> You have to use the mousekeys some, but then again, which program now
> aday does not require you to do so?
>
>
> Also, I find that it is easier to run the different parts of the
> package, off from the SysTray, instead of trying to operate the main
> control panel of the package. Go to the SysTray, arrow to the Spybot
> Icon, and press Shift-F10 or the App-key. Then arrow down to the
> individual task you are looking for, like Update, Immunize or System
> scan, and hit Enter. The chosen software will open. Here hit Alt-T for
> choosing Task, and use the arrow keys to make your selection, before
> hitting Enter. To read the results, and the progress of the task, you
> need your mousekeys.
>
>
> Like I said, accessible enough, and mainly does a pretty good job. Just
> ran a scan this morning, and got an end to some buggy behavior on my 
> system.
>
>
> Please note, I only have tried the free version of the software, cannot
> speak for any differences in the paid version.
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 9/1/2016 3:41 PM, Lee Hodgson via Talk wrote:
>> Hi
>> can anyone tell me if spybot is still usable with window eyes. I
>> loved it in the old days, but not sure how accessible it is now. so
>> wanted to check before considering installing.
>> thanks
>> Lee, Emily my guiding  furry snowflake and Chester and simba the
>> feline fellas
>> leehodge on dice world
>> My wife is JessHodge on Dice world
>> Follow me on Twitter Lee__Hodgson with two underlines between first
>> and second names, and on audioboo user name leehodge
>>
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Re: is spybot accessible

[via Talk]

What is this program never heard of it before

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2016, at 2:34 PM, David via Talk  wrote:
> 
> If you are asking about Spybot Search & Destroy, then Yes, it is 
> accessible enough.
> 
> 
> You have to use the mousekeys some, but then again, which program now 
> aday does not require you to do so?
> 
> 
> Also, I find that it is easier to run the different parts of the 
> package, off from the SysTray, instead of trying to operate the main 
> control panel of the package. Go to the SysTray, arrow to the Spybot 
> Icon, and press Shift-F10 or the App-key. Then arrow down to the 
> individual task you are looking for, like Update, Immunize or System 
> scan, and hit Enter. The chosen software will open. Here hit Alt-T for 
> choosing Task, and use the arrow keys to make your selection, before 
> hitting Enter. To read the results, and the progress of the task, you 
> need your mousekeys.
> 
> 
> Like I said, accessible enough, and mainly does a pretty good job. Just 
> ran a scan this morning, and got an end to some buggy behavior on my system.
> 
> 
> Please note, I only have tried the free version of the software, cannot 
> speak for any differences in the paid version.
> 
> 
> 
> David
> 
>> On 9/1/2016 3:41 PM, Lee Hodgson via Talk wrote:
>> Hi
>> can anyone tell me if spybot is still usable with window eyes.  I
>> loved it in the old days, but not sure how accessible it is now. so
>> wanted to check before considering installing.
>> thanks
>> Lee, Emily my guiding  furry snowflake and Chester and simba the
>> feline fellas
>> leehodge on dice world
>> My wife is JessHodge on Dice world
>> Follow me on Twitter Lee__Hodgson with two underlines between first
>> and second names, and on audioboo user name leehodge
>> 
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Re: is spybot accessible

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I have the same problem with malwarebytes, and I don't have very good luck 
with AVG, either.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 3:56 PM
To: David ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is spybot accessible

Can you act upon the results? I currently have MalWare Bytes with which I
have great difficulty acting on the results. I have been told you need
sighted assistance for some of it. I don't have a problem using the mopuse
keys, but I get frustrated the more sighted assistance is required.
Obviously, sometimes there is no other way.

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 1:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is spybot accessible

If you are asking about Spybot Search & Destroy, then Yes, it is
accessible enough.


You have to use the mousekeys some, but then again, which program now
aday does not require you to do so?


Also, I find that it is easier to run the different parts of the
package, off from the SysTray, instead of trying to operate the main
control panel of the package. Go to the SysTray, arrow to the Spybot
Icon, and press Shift-F10 or the App-key. Then arrow down to the
individual task you are looking for, like Update, Immunize or System
scan, and hit Enter. The chosen software will open. Here hit Alt-T for
choosing Task, and use the arrow keys to make your selection, before
hitting Enter. To read the results, and the progress of the task, you
need your mousekeys.


Like I said, accessible enough, and mainly does a pretty good job. Just
ran a scan this morning, and got an end to some buggy behavior on my system.


Please note, I only have tried the free version of the software, cannot
speak for any differences in the paid version.



David

On 9/1/2016 3:41 PM, Lee Hodgson via Talk wrote:

Hi
can anyone tell me if spybot is still usable with window eyes.  I
loved it in the old days, but not sure how accessible it is now. so
wanted to check before considering installing.
thanks
Lee, Emily my guiding  furry snowflake and Chester and simba the
feline fellas
leehodge on dice world
My wife is JessHodge on Dice world
Follow me on Twitter Lee__Hodgson with two underlines between first
and second names, and on audioboo user name leehodge


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Re: is spybot accessible

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

Can you act upon the results? I currently have MalWare Bytes with which I 
have great difficulty acting on the results. I have been told you need 
sighted assistance for some of it. I don't have a problem using the mopuse 
keys, but I get frustrated the more sighted assistance is required. 
Obviously, sometimes there is no other way.


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 1:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is spybot accessible

If you are asking about Spybot Search & Destroy, then Yes, it is
accessible enough.


You have to use the mousekeys some, but then again, which program now
aday does not require you to do so?


Also, I find that it is easier to run the different parts of the
package, off from the SysTray, instead of trying to operate the main
control panel of the package. Go to the SysTray, arrow to the Spybot
Icon, and press Shift-F10 or the App-key. Then arrow down to the
individual task you are looking for, like Update, Immunize or System
scan, and hit Enter. The chosen software will open. Here hit Alt-T for
choosing Task, and use the arrow keys to make your selection, before
hitting Enter. To read the results, and the progress of the task, you
need your mousekeys.


Like I said, accessible enough, and mainly does a pretty good job. Just
ran a scan this morning, and got an end to some buggy behavior on my system.


Please note, I only have tried the free version of the software, cannot
speak for any differences in the paid version.



David

On 9/1/2016 3:41 PM, Lee Hodgson via Talk wrote:

Hi
can anyone tell me if spybot is still usable with window eyes.  I
loved it in the old days, but not sure how accessible it is now. so
wanted to check before considering installing.
thanks
Lee, Emily my guiding  furry snowflake and Chester and simba the
feline fellas
leehodge on dice world
My wife is JessHodge on Dice world
Follow me on Twitter Lee__Hodgson with two underlines between first
and second names, and on audioboo user name leehodge


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RE: selecting text

[Don Smith via Talk]

Hi:
Regarding the f8 key and selecting text, to me it works in different ways.
Depending:

Sometimes a link in an email, f8 twice works, other times, I hit at the
first character, then I keep arrowing right until I hdar a ding, then I
backup one character and then hit f8, it works every time
More work, but it has never failed.

Don


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Re: AVG

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

I  am using Eset version 8.x under Windows 10. I don't really know how well 
it is working, but it does run and flag some issues. If you haven't used it 
before, press F5 to open a tree view with lots of options..




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
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-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:56 PM
To: Linda Mentink ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AVG

I currently use Esset Smart Security. Even making recommended changes with
it, I still find it more difficult to act upon alerts it provides. Further,
their own staff acknowledges that version 9 is not accessible. If I ever go
to Windows 10, I am told that 9 is necessary. Thusd, especially since my
subscription is up, I am exploring other options, so I tried the free
version of AVG since it was recommended by others. After a trip into the
VIOS, a system restore, and a Windows Restore, I'm not so sure. I am quite
confident I wouldn't have had this had I not tried AVG.

-Original Message- 
From: Linda Mentink via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes
Subject: AVG

Hi All,

I don't use my computer much these days, but I have a question
for those of you having trouble with AVG: Have you updated the
set files for Window-Eyes, or are there none?

Blessings,

Linda
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Re: is spybot accessible

[David via Talk]

If you are asking about Spybot Search & Destroy, then Yes, it is 
accessible enough.


You have to use the mousekeys some, but then again, which program now 
aday does not require you to do so?


Also, I find that it is easier to run the different parts of the 
package, off from the SysTray, instead of trying to operate the main 
control panel of the package. Go to the SysTray, arrow to the Spybot 
Icon, and press Shift-F10 or the App-key. Then arrow down to the 
individual task you are looking for, like Update, Immunize or System 
scan, and hit Enter. The chosen software will open. Here hit Alt-T for 
choosing Task, and use the arrow keys to make your selection, before 
hitting Enter. To read the results, and the progress of the task, you 
need your mousekeys.


Like I said, accessible enough, and mainly does a pretty good job. Just 
ran a scan this morning, and got an end to some buggy behavior on my system.


Please note, I only have tried the free version of the software, cannot 
speak for any differences in the paid version.



David

On 9/1/2016 3:41 PM, Lee Hodgson via Talk wrote:
> Hi
> can anyone tell me if spybot is still usable with window eyes.  I
> loved it in the old days, but not sure how accessible it is now. so
> wanted to check before considering installing.
> thanks
> Lee, Emily my guiding  furry snowflake and Chester and simba the
> feline fellas
> leehodge on dice world
> My wife is JessHodge on Dice world
> Follow me on Twitter Lee__Hodgson with two underlines between first
> and second names, and on audioboo user name leehodge
>
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Re: AVG

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Is there some kind of a tutorial to show how to work with it?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 9:39 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AVG

I've been using the paid version of AVG with window Eyes since Win 7, I'm
now using windows 8 on one maching and windows 10 on another. I am able to
navigate through everything using window eyes, some things require using the
mouse keys, but I can look at the logs, run scans, etc with no issues. The
only thing I have a problem with is when AVG pops up with an advertisement
for their PC Fix, but that's not very often. Sometimes when I hit enter on
the AVG Icon, I have to alt tab to get window eyes focused on the AVG
window. If you hit enter without knowing where you are there's no telling
what your hitting enter on. LOL HTH.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: AVG

After reading comments from listers, I thought that AVG would be accessible
with Window-Eyes 9.5 and Windows 7 64-Bit Pro. I think not so fast. My
problems began as I found that the installation screen did not read
properly. Then, when I got into the Zen afgter I finally got it installed, I
found that screen didn’t read either. I tabbed and pressed enter at one
point, why I don’t know because that was foolish. I suddently lost speech. I
rebooted, and things got quite interesting. The drive would seem to be
active for a while and stopped. After several other attempts with the same
result, I had a sighted friend come over. All he saw was was a cursor
blinking about every second. A reboot gave him the same results. He couldn’t
get into Windows of Safe Mode. He WAS FOMA;;U AB;E TP GET into the BIOS amd
ex[;pre sp,e p[topms/ We tried System Restore which appeared to fail. At
least we were getting text shown on a working monitor. He then tried Windows
Restore. Luckily that worked, and we got the message that System Restore had
completed successfully. The loving Windows sounds and Window-Eyes came to
life. I don’t know how much to blame on AVG. Certainly, I made a silly
mistake. However, you guys who say AVG is so great, I wonder what your
system specs are. I do have an HP Pavillion. As far as I’m concerned, AVG
needs a big heap of help. This is the first E-mail I sent since the crash.
Sorry for the rant.;
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RE: Windows 10, Adobe Dc help, please!

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Joe:

I just did this on my Win10 machine and it worked.

Here's what I did.

First, press the Windows logo key. The search box will pop up.  Type the
words "default programs" (without the quotes).  Then, press Enter.

You will be placed in a dialog where you can set certain things as default.
Tab until you hear "link set defaults by app".  Press Enter on that.  Wait a
few seconds, then press the Tab key.  You will be placed in a list of
applications.  Press the letter A until you hear "Adobe Acrobat DC.  Press
Tab twice.  You should hear "set this program as default s button"  Press
Space on that, then, tab to OK and press Space on that.

Then, any time you open a pdf file, Adobe DC should open.

Hope this helps.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jo Talliaferro via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 9:09 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Windows 10, Adobe Dc help, please!

Hello!
I have been unable to figure out how to use Adobe Acrobat DC with Windows 10
and cannot open pdf documents with it.  Microsoft Edge seems to be linked
with it somehow and with the latest version of WE, I don't know how to get
rid of Edge.  My default browser is Google Chrome but Adobe DC doesn't know
this.  I'm stuck.  Will you offer me a solution for reading, opening pdf
documents with other software and tell me how to get rid of these pesky
pieces of software (Adobe DC and Edge?  Thanks.

Jo Taliaferro


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RE: selecting text

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

If you get an email where it is a web address but doesn't show as a link, f8 
twice won't work.
Chris



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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 11:37 AM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: selecting text

When I am trying to copy a link, and I am using the f8, I just press f8 
twice.  I don't do anything with the arrow keys.  That copies the link. 
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 3:20 AM
To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: selecting text

Occasionally, I receive e-mails with links to various Youtube videos,
except that I only receive the URL without a link to click on.
Generally what I do is copy using the f-8 method and the right arrow
key.  While it is tedious, this method is not much more than a minor
annoyance.  But here is my question, I have tried copying the link using
the down arrow key (of course, after I have pressed f-8) and it doesn't
always work.  This happens especially when the URL is at the bottom of
the e-mail.  I have tried placing the cursor above the URL and then down
arrowing, and that seems to copy the text above, instead of the URL.
Have I made this confusing enough?

On 8/31/2016 9:40 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> Just remember that the F8 selection method is specific to browse mode
> and in both cases (in a browser or an email client) you have to go back
> and forth.
>
> When I'm reading a message in Thunderbird I'm in browse mode and have to
> use the F8 method. But when I'm writing a message I'm not and have to
> use the standard shifted method. Same in a browser. When you're reading
> a page it's F8 and when you exit browse mode to enter text in an edit
> box you have to fall back on the shifted method.
>
> The only constant is when you're in the context pane of a CHM file. then
> you're always in browse mode.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 8/31/2016 3:24 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
>> If you are in Thunderbird or a web browser, Window-Eyes 9 and above has
>> a different selection method. You essentially define the beginning and
>> end of a block of text with the F8 key. While defining the extent of the
>> block, you use unshifted arrow or control-arro keys. When you have
>> pressed F8 the second time, you are asked whether you want to copy
>> formatted or unformatted text onto the Windows clipboard. Which of those
>> options you choose will depend on what you plan to do with the text
>> next.  This is covered in the Window-Eyes Features, Working with the
>> Internet, Selecting Text part of the manual.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>> -Original Message- From: Greg Mason via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:07 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: selecting text
>>
>> I am using a Dell desktop computer.  I am unable to select text with
>> control shift right arrow as usual.  Any help will be appreciated.
>> G
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Re: selecting text

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I am not copying a link, I am copying a URL.  The reason it is not a 
link is you cannot click on it.  Apparently, it has to do with the 
e-mail program the sender is using.

On 9/1/2016 11:37 AM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
> When I am trying to copy a link, and I am using the f8, I just press f8
> twice.  I don't do anything with the arrow keys.  That copies the link.
> Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 3:20 AM
> To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Lloyd Rasmussen
> Subject: Re: selecting text
>
> Occasionally, I receive e-mails with links to various Youtube videos,
> except that I only receive the URL without a link to click on.
> Generally what I do is copy using the f-8 method and the right arrow
> key.  While it is tedious, this method is not much more than a minor
> annoyance.  But here is my question, I have tried copying the link using
> the down arrow key (of course, after I have pressed f-8) and it doesn't
> always work.  This happens especially when the URL is at the bottom of
> the e-mail.  I have tried placing the cursor above the URL and then down
> arrowing, and that seems to copy the text above, instead of the URL.
> Have I made this confusing enough?
>
> On 8/31/2016 9:40 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> Just remember that the F8 selection method is specific to browse mode
>> and in both cases (in a browser or an email client) you have to go back
>> and forth.
>>
>> When I'm reading a message in Thunderbird I'm in browse mode and have to
>> use the F8 method. But when I'm writing a message I'm not and have to
>> use the standard shifted method. Same in a browser. When you're reading
>> a page it's F8 and when you exit browse mode to enter text in an edit
>> box you have to fall back on the shifted method.
>>
>> The only constant is when you're in the context pane of a CHM file. then
>> you're always in browse mode.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2016 3:24 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
>>> If you are in Thunderbird or a web browser, Window-Eyes 9 and above has
>>> a different selection method. You essentially define the beginning and
>>> end of a block of text with the F8 key. While defining the extent of the
>>> block, you use unshifted arrow or control-arro keys. When you have
>>> pressed F8 the second time, you are asked whether you want to copy
>>> formatted or unformatted text onto the Windows clipboard. Which of those
>>> options you choose will depend on what you plan to do with the text
>>> next.  This is covered in the Window-Eyes Features, Working with the
>>> Internet, Selecting Text part of the manual.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>> -Original Message- From: Greg Mason via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:07 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: selecting text
>>>
>>> I am using a Dell desktop computer.  I am unable to select text with
>>> control shift right arrow as usual.  Any help will be appreciated.
>>> G
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Re: AVG

[tony c via Talk]

There are some minor differences I believe. I did use the AVG free for a 
short time but there's either some of it that is different or probally more 
so, that some of the features in the paid version are not in the free one.


-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 9:47 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: AVG

Could you elaborate, please, Tony. By doesn't work as well, do you mean the
interfaces of the paid and free versions are different?

--Lou N.
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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 8:46 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AVG

The free one does not work as well as the paid version.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:56 PM
To: Linda Mentink ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AVG

I currently use Esset Smart Security. Even making recommended changes with
it, I still find it more difficult to act upon alerts it provides. Further,
their own staff acknowledges that version 9 is not accessible. If I ever go
to Windows 10, I am told that 9 is necessary. Thusd, especially since my
subscription is up, I am exploring other options, so I tried the free
version of AVG since it was recommended by others. After a trip into the
VIOS, a system restore, and a Windows Restore, I'm not so sure. I am quite
confident I wouldn't have had this had I not tried AVG.

-Original Message- 
From: Linda Mentink via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes
Subject: AVG

Hi All,

I don't use my computer much these days, but I have a question
for those of you having trouble with AVG: Have you updated the
set files for Window-Eyes, or are there none?

Blessings,

Linda
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Re: selecting text

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

When I am trying to copy a link, and I am using the f8, I just press f8 
twice.  I don't do anything with the arrow keys.  That copies the link. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 3:20 AM
To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: selecting text

Occasionally, I receive e-mails with links to various Youtube videos,
except that I only receive the URL without a link to click on.
Generally what I do is copy using the f-8 method and the right arrow
key.  While it is tedious, this method is not much more than a minor
annoyance.  But here is my question, I have tried copying the link using
the down arrow key (of course, after I have pressed f-8) and it doesn't
always work.  This happens especially when the URL is at the bottom of
the e-mail.  I have tried placing the cursor above the URL and then down
arrowing, and that seems to copy the text above, instead of the URL.
Have I made this confusing enough?

On 8/31/2016 9:40 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Just remember that the F8 selection method is specific to browse mode
and in both cases (in a browser or an email client) you have to go back
and forth.

When I'm reading a message in Thunderbird I'm in browse mode and have to
use the F8 method. But when I'm writing a message I'm not and have to
use the standard shifted method. Same in a browser. When you're reading
a page it's F8 and when you exit browse mode to enter text in an edit
box you have to fall back on the shifted method.

The only constant is when you're in the context pane of a CHM file. then
you're always in browse mode.

Regards,
Tom


On 8/31/2016 3:24 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

If you are in Thunderbird or a web browser, Window-Eyes 9 and above has
a different selection method. You essentially define the beginning and
end of a block of text with the F8 key. While defining the extent of the
block, you use unshifted arrow or control-arro keys. When you have
pressed F8 the second time, you are asked whether you want to copy
formatted or unformatted text onto the Windows clipboard. Which of those
options you choose will depend on what you plan to do with the text
next.  This is covered in the Window-Eyes Features, Working with the
Internet, Selecting Text part of the manual.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Greg Mason via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:07 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: selecting text

I am using a Dell desktop computer.  I am unable to select text with
control shift right arrow as usual.  Any help will be appreciated.
G
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RE: issues setting up email account in outlook 2010

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Try these server settings:
IMAP server name imap-mail.outlook.com 
IMAP port 993 
IMAP encryption method SSL 
SMTP server name smtp-mail.outlook.com 
SMTP port 587  SMTP encryption method TLS

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 11:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: OT: issues setting up email account in outlook 2010

Hi,
I'm about to jump off a cliff with trying to set up my new computer, 
particularly my email.  Running through my options now.  I had an IT support 
guy over last night and he wasn't making progress either.  This is a new 
Windows 10 machine.  I have an MSN email account I've had for years, but my 
internet service provider nor Microsoft will give me tech support other than to 
tell me to google the answer.  We got the email working on the mail app built 
into Windows 10 and I do recall at least one person on this list saying he 
found that app relatively accessible.  I haven't had a chance to play with it 
yet.  What I was trying to do that is to have my email working in my installed 
copy of Outlook 2010.   but whatever information we use for the incoming and 
outgoing servers and such is not being accepted.  So here are my questions:

1).  Are any of you using MSN email in Outlook 2010?  If so, what are your 
server settings?
2) For anyone who has set up a new email account in Outlook 2010 (or possible 
later versions) are you having any challenges getting the right information to 
set up the account, such as incoming and outgoing server names and some numbers 
that you have to put on the Advanced settings tab?
3) Does Thunderbird make this any easier?
4) I have an icloud email from my phone. Is that easy to set up in Outlook?

Seems like I used to be able to just enter the email and password and the email 
program would figure out the server connection information, much like when I 
set my email on my phone.  Just trying to figure out my options now to get this 
working.  Wasn't looking forward to the process of changing my email address, 
but it might be time to start fresh with a new account, if I can find one to 
set up in Outlook.




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OT: issues setting up email account in outlook 2010

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

Hi,
I'm about to jump off a cliff with trying to set up my new computer, 
particularly my email.  Running through my options now.  I had an IT support 
guy over last night and he wasn't making progress either.  This is a new 
Windows 10 machine.  I have an MSN email account I've had for years, but my 
internet service provider nor Microsoft will give me tech support other than to 
tell me to google the answer.  We got the email working on the mail app built 
into Windows 10 and I do recall at least one person on this list saying he 
found that app relatively accessible.  I haven't had a chance to play with it 
yet.  What I was trying to do that is to have my email working in my installed 
copy of Outlook 2010.   but whatever information we use for the incoming and 
outgoing servers and such is not being accepted.  So here are my questions:

1).  Are any of you using MSN email in Outlook 2010?  If so, what are your 
server settings?
2) For anyone who has set up a new email account in Outlook 2010 (or possible 
later versions) are you having any challenges getting the right information to 
set up the account, such as incoming and outgoing server names and some numbers 
that you have to put on the Advanced settings tab?
3) Does Thunderbird make this any easier?
4) I have an icloud email from my phone. Is that easy to set up in Outlook?

Seems like I used to be able to just enter the email and password and the email 
program would figure out the server connection information, much like when I 
set my email on my phone.  Just trying to figure out my options now to get this 
working.  Wasn't looking forward to the process of changing my email address, 
but it might be time to start fresh with a new account, if I can find one to 
set up in Outlook.




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RE: AVG

[via Talk]

Could you elaborate, please, Tony. By doesn't work as well, do you mean the
interfaces of the paid and free versions are different? 

--Lou N.
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of tony c via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 8:46 AM
To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AVG

The free one does not work as well as the paid version.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:56 PM
To: Linda Mentink ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AVG

I currently use Esset Smart Security. Even making recommended changes with
it, I still find it more difficult to act upon alerts it provides. Further,
their own staff acknowledges that version 9 is not accessible. If I ever go
to Windows 10, I am told that 9 is necessary. Thusd, especially since my
subscription is up, I am exploring other options, so I tried the free
version of AVG since it was recommended by others. After a trip into the
VIOS, a system restore, and a Windows Restore, I'm not so sure. I am quite
confident I wouldn't have had this had I not tried AVG.

-Original Message- 
From: Linda Mentink via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes
Subject: AVG

Hi All,

I don't use my computer much these days, but I have a question
for those of you having trouble with AVG: Have you updated the
set files for Window-Eyes, or are there none?

Blessings,

Linda
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Re: Windows 10, Adobe Dc help, please!

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I haven't used Adobe Acrobat in a long time. But there used to be a 
setting under preferences to open documents in your browser instead of 
the reader. The idea was that most folks were clicking on PDF links in 
their browser anyway and the browser would use the Acrobat engine to 
display the document. But I think Edge has built-in support for PDF 
files. So you may also want to open the Control panel, Default programs, 
and make sure that PDF files are associated with Acrobat.


Hth,
Tom


Hth,
Tom


On 9/1/2016 9:09 AM, Jo Talliaferro via Talk wrote:

Hello!
I have been unable to figure out how to use Adobe Acrobat DC with Windows 10 
and cannot open pdf
documents with it.  Microsoft Edge seems to be linked with it somehow and with 
the latest version of
WE, I don't know how to get rid of Edge.  My default browser is Google Chrome 
but Adobe DC doesn't
know this.  I'm stuck.  Will you offer me a solution for reading, opening pdf 
documents with other
software and tell me how to get rid of these pesky pieces of software (Adobe DC 
and Edge?  Thanks.

Jo Taliaferro


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Re: is spybot accessible

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi Lee,

Not sure if it is still accessible. Mallware bites is a goodone to have. I 
will contact you off list with steps how to install it. It has to be an 
older version as the new mallwarebites is not accessible.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Lee Hodgson via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 2:41 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: is spybot accessible

Hi
can anyone tell me if spybot is still usable with window eyes.  I
loved it in the old days, but not sure how accessible it is now. so
wanted to check before considering installing.
thanks
Lee, Emily my guiding  furry snowflake and Chester and simba the
feline fellas
leehodge on dice world
My wife is JessHodge on Dice world
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Re: AVG

[tony c via Talk]

The free one does not work as well as the paid version.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:56 PM
To: Linda Mentink ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AVG

I currently use Esset Smart Security. Even making recommended changes with
it, I still find it more difficult to act upon alerts it provides. Further,
their own staff acknowledges that version 9 is not accessible. If I ever go
to Windows 10, I am told that 9 is necessary. Thusd, especially since my
subscription is up, I am exploring other options, so I tried the free
version of AVG since it was recommended by others. After a trip into the
VIOS, a system restore, and a Windows Restore, I'm not so sure. I am quite
confident I wouldn't have had this had I not tried AVG.

-Original Message- 
From: Linda Mentink via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes
Subject: AVG

Hi All,

I don't use my computer much these days, but I have a question
for those of you having trouble with AVG: Have you updated the
set files for Window-Eyes, or are there none?

Blessings,

Linda
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Re: AVG

[tony c via Talk]

Again I've been using AVG since win 7, 8 and now on aa windows 10.

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:29 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AVG

Okay, so tell me:  what works with window eyes and windows 7?  And please
don't say Microsoft Security Essentials, because as far as I know, Microsoft
dropped the ball on that one shortly after they put it out.  The window eyes
people used to suggest Esset Security Suite, but now, they don't even
suggest that.  The window eyes person told me MSSE.  I almost laughed.  I
had it, and my computer was very sick, and it said it couldn't find anything
wrong.  So, what does work with window eyes without having to play games?
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: AVG

After reading comments from listers, I thought that AVG would be accessible
with Window-Eyes 9.5 and Windows 7 64-Bit Pro. I think not so fast. My
problems began as I found that the installation screen did not read
properly. Then, when I got into the Zen afgter I finally got it installed, I
found that screen didn’t read either. I tabbed and pressed enter at one
point, why I don’t know because that was foolish. I suddently lost speech. I
rebooted, and things got quite interesting. The drive would seem to be
active for a while and stopped. After several other attempts with the same
result, I had a sighted friend come over. All he saw was was a cursor
blinking about every second. A reboot gave him the same results. He couldn’t
get into Windows of Safe Mode. He WAS FOMA;;U AB;E TP GET into the BIOS amd
ex[;pre sp,e p[topms/ We tried System Restore which appeared to fail. At
least we were getting text shown on a working monitor. He then tried Windows
Restore. Luckily that worked, and we got the message that System Restore had
completed successfully. The loving Windows sounds and Window-Eyes came to
life. I don’t know how much to blame on AVG. Certainly, I made a silly
mistake. However, you guys who say AVG is so great, I wonder what your
system specs are. I do have an HP Pavillion. As far as I’m concerned, AVG
needs a big heap of help. This is the first E-mail I sent since the crash.
Sorry for the rant.;
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Version: 2016.0.7752 / Virus Database: 4649/12920 - Release Date: 08/31/16

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is spybot accessible

[Lee Hodgson via Talk]

Hi
can anyone tell me if spybot is still usable with window eyes.  I 
loved it in the old days, but not sure how accessible it is now. so 
wanted to check before considering installing.

thanks
Lee, Emily my guiding  furry snowflake and Chester and simba the 
feline fellas

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Re: AVG

[tony c via Talk]

I've been using the paid version of AVG with window Eyes since Win 7, I'm 
now using windows 8 on one maching and windows 10 on another. I am able to 
navigate through everything using window eyes, some things require using the 
mouse keys, but I can look at the logs, run scans, etc with no issues. The 
only thing I have a problem with is when AVG pops up with an advertisement 
for their PC Fix, but that's not very often. Sometimes when I hit enter on 
the AVG Icon, I have to alt tab to get window eyes focused on the AVG 
window. If you hit enter without knowing where you are there's no telling 
what your hitting enter on. LOL HTH.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:15 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: AVG

After reading comments from listers, I thought that AVG would be accessible 
with Window-Eyes 9.5 and Windows 7 64-Bit Pro. I think not so fast. My 
problems began as I found that the installation screen did not read 
properly. Then, when I got into the Zen afgter I finally got it installed, I 
found that screen didn’t read either. I tabbed and pressed enter at one 
point, why I don’t know because that was foolish. I suddently lost speech. I 
rebooted, and things got quite interesting. The drive would seem to be 
active for a while and stopped. After several other attempts with the same 
result, I had a sighted friend come over. All he saw was was a cursor 
blinking about every second. A reboot gave him the same results. He couldn’t 
get into Windows of Safe Mode. He WAS FOMA;;U AB;E TP GET into the BIOS amd 
ex[;pre sp,e p[topms/ We tried System Restore which appeared to fail. At 
least we were getting text shown on a working monitor. He then tried Windows 
Restore. Luckily that worked, and we got the message that System Restore had 
completed successfully. The loving Windows sounds and Window-Eyes came to 
life. I don’t know how much to blame on AVG. Certainly, I made a silly 
mistake. However, you guys who say AVG is so great, I wonder what your 
system specs are. I do have an HP Pavillion. As far as I’m concerned, AVG 
needs a big heap of help. This is the first E-mail I sent since the crash. 
Sorry for the rant.;

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Windows 10, Adobe Dc help, please!

[Jo Talliaferro via Talk]

Hello!
I have been unable to figure out how to use Adobe Acrobat DC with Windows 10 
and cannot open pdf
documents with it.  Microsoft Edge seems to be linked with it somehow and with 
the latest version of
WE, I don't know how to get rid of Edge.  My default browser is Google Chrome 
but Adobe DC doesn't
know this.  I'm stuck.  Will you offer me a solution for reading, opening pdf 
documents with other
software and tell me how to get rid of these pesky pieces of software (Adobe DC 
and Edge?  Thanks.

Jo Taliaferro


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Re: selecting text

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Nick,

I've never had the problem you mention. So I don't know what to say. I 
just go to the start, press F8, move to the end using whatever method is 
the quickest, press f8 again, and it copies whatever I've selected.


The only exception I've experienced which is similar to what you're 
saying is when the link is long and broken over more then one line. Then 
it usually doesn't work anyway because there's a space inserted at the 
line break. So I copy the two lines, pop up Notepad, paste, get rid of 
the space, and copy it again.


Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Regards,
Tom


On 9/1/2016 3:20 AM, Nick Sarames wrote:

Occasionally, I receive e-mails with links to various Youtube videos,
except that I only receive the URL without a link to click on.
Generally what I do is copy using the f-8 method and the right arrow
key.  While it is tedious, this method is not much more than a minor
annoyance.  But here is my question, I have tried copying the link using
the down arrow key (of course, after I have pressed f-8) and it doesn't
always work.  This happens especially when the URL is at the bottom of
the e-mail.  I have tried placing the cursor above the URL and then down
arrowing, and that seems to copy the text above, instead of the URL.
Have I made this confusing enough?

On 8/31/2016 9:40 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Just remember that the F8 selection method is specific to browse mode
and in both cases (in a browser or an email client) you have to go back
and forth.

When I'm reading a message in Thunderbird I'm in browse mode and have to
use the F8 method. But when I'm writing a message I'm not and have to
use the standard shifted method. Same in a browser. When you're reading
a page it's F8 and when you exit browse mode to enter text in an edit
box you have to fall back on the shifted method.

The only constant is when you're in the context pane of a CHM file. then
you're always in browse mode.

Regards,
Tom


On 8/31/2016 3:24 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

If you are in Thunderbird or a web browser, Window-Eyes 9 and above has
a different selection method. You essentially define the beginning and
end of a block of text with the F8 key. While defining the extent of the
block, you use unshifted arrow or control-arro keys. When you have
pressed F8 the second time, you are asked whether you want to copy
formatted or unformatted text onto the Windows clipboard. Which of those
options you choose will depend on what you plan to do with the text
next.  This is covered in the Window-Eyes Features, Working with the
Internet, Selecting Text part of the manual.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Greg Mason via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:07 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: selecting text

I am using a Dell desktop computer.  I am unable to select text with
control shift right arrow as usual.  Any help will be appreciated.
G
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RE: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi Rod: Perhaps I was over thinking it.
I just wanted to try and be correct in mentioning the folks and where they
work.
There was no between the lines stuff intended.
The guys are now, I would think, employees of Freedom Scientific and
AISquared and GWMicro are no longer viable entities.
Thus, while this is indeed a WindowEyes list it is owned, managed and
monitored by Freedom Scientific employees.
At least that is what I thought at the time so just used Freedom Scientific
as the new and, I thought, proper company name.
Saying hay guys at the GWMicro staff or hay guys at the AISquared staff
makes no sense if they now work for Freedom Scientific.
Anyway, I might be wrong since I don't follow corporate news but if the guys
do now work for Freedom Scientific I wanted to give them all due respect
since Freedom Scientific is a very good company just like GWMicro and
AISquared were and the guys working on WindowEyes are likely the same guys
we have come to know over the years only under that new umbrella you
mentioned.
Anyway, no hidden meanings, just tried to be correct in my use of
termonology.
Later:
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:22 PM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

Hi Rick,

I have to say, my friend, obviously with tongue in cheek, that you're
barking up the wrong tree if you're addressing your comments to the Freedom
Scientific staff, since, in truth, this is an AI Squared list.
The two companies may be under the same umbrella, but, in the words of
Sting, well, the Police rock band,"it's a big enough umbrella, but it'S
always me that ends up getting' wet."
I guess what I'm trying to highlight is the fact that the two companies will
continue to work independently in the development of their screen reader
offerings, at least in the short term.

Affectionately,

Rod (smile)

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:02 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

Thanks Chris:
That was indeed a cool answer but then you know, cool is a 4 letter word.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:rascal0...@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:31 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: When will Edge Browser be ready Under WindowEyes

short answer it'll be ready when it's ready, and not one moment sooner or
later. lol!


Truthfully, nobody knows accept microsoft. and they ain't talking.




On 8/31/2016 6:14 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
> Hi: I read Microsoft thinks the Edge Browser is ready for prime time and
has
> improved accessibility hooks for screen readers.
> I don't know how far it has come but you fellows at Freedom Scientific
might
> know when WindowEyes will be ready to work well with the Edge Browser.
> Are things ready, almost ready, not being worked on or what is the status
of
> pushing out this update?
> Rick USA
>
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RE: AVG

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
I'm using AVG Internet Security under windows 10 64 bit on all of my Windows 10 
machines.

For me the setup read and worked in Browse mode.  The uninstall worked in 
Browse mode.
AVG Zen is pretty pointless, but again, it at least loaded for me in browse 
mode and I can see the status of the other computers attached to my account.

To access AVG's interface, from the start menu, I type avg protection and press 
enter. Or I can locate open AVG from the system tray.
This will load AVG without using Zen.
I like how I can assign different sounds for different tasks.

I don't know how accessible the free version of AVG is as I haven't used it in 
about 15 years.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:56 PM
To: Linda Mentink ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: AVG

I currently use Esset Smart Security. Even making recommended changes with it, 
I still find it more difficult to act upon alerts it provides. Further, their 
own staff acknowledges that version 9 is not accessible. If I ever go to 
Windows 10, I am told that 9 is necessary. Thusd, especially since my 
subscription is up, I am exploring other options, so I tried the free version 
of AVG since it was recommended by others. After a trip into the VIOS, a system 
restore, and a Windows Restore, I'm not so sure. I am quite confident I 
wouldn't have had this had I not tried AVG.

-Original Message-
From: Linda Mentink via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes
Subject: AVG

Hi All,

I don't use my computer much these days, but I have a question for those of you 
having trouble with AVG: Have you updated the set files for Window-Eyes, or are 
there none?

Blessings,

Linda
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RE: selecting text

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
Assuming the url is the only thing on the line:
Home, then f8, end, then f8 again and finally enter.
You could always do control-right to move after the url, press f8, then home, 
then f8 again, then enter.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 3:21 AM
To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; Lloyd Rasmussen 
Subject: Re: selecting text

Occasionally, I receive e-mails with links to various Youtube videos, except 
that I only receive the URL without a link to click on. 
Generally what I do is copy using the f-8 method and the right arrow key.  
While it is tedious, this method is not much more than a minor annoyance.  But 
here is my question, I have tried copying the link using the down arrow key (of 
course, after I have pressed f-8) and it doesn't always work.  This happens 
especially when the URL is at the bottom of the e-mail.  I have tried placing 
the cursor above the URL and then down arrowing, and that seems to copy the 
text above, instead of the URL. 
Have I made this confusing enough?

On 8/31/2016 9:40 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> Just remember that the F8 selection method is specific to browse mode 
> and in both cases (in a browser or an email client) you have to go 
> back and forth.
>
> When I'm reading a message in Thunderbird I'm in browse mode and have 
> to use the F8 method. But when I'm writing a message I'm not and have 
> to use the standard shifted method. Same in a browser. When you're 
> reading a page it's F8 and when you exit browse mode to enter text in 
> an edit box you have to fall back on the shifted method.
>
> The only constant is when you're in the context pane of a CHM file. 
> then you're always in browse mode.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 8/31/2016 3:24 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
>> If you are in Thunderbird or a web browser, Window-Eyes 9 and above 
>> has a different selection method. You essentially define the 
>> beginning and end of a block of text with the F8 key. While defining 
>> the extent of the block, you use unshifted arrow or control-arro 
>> keys. When you have pressed F8 the second time, you are asked whether 
>> you want to copy formatted or unformatted text onto the Windows 
>> clipboard. Which of those options you choose will depend on what you 
>> plan to do with the text next.  This is covered in the Window-Eyes 
>> Features, Working with the Internet, Selecting Text part of the manual.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>> -Original Message- From: Greg Mason via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:07 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: selecting text
>>
>> I am using a Dell desktop computer.  I am unable to select text with 
>> control shift right arrow as usual.  Any help will be appreciated.
>> G
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Re: selecting text

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Occasionally, I receive e-mails with links to various Youtube videos, 
except that I only receive the URL without a link to click on. 
Generally what I do is copy using the f-8 method and the right arrow 
key.  While it is tedious, this method is not much more than a minor 
annoyance.  But here is my question, I have tried copying the link using 
the down arrow key (of course, after I have pressed f-8) and it doesn't 
always work.  This happens especially when the URL is at the bottom of 
the e-mail.  I have tried placing the cursor above the URL and then down 
arrowing, and that seems to copy the text above, instead of the URL. 
Have I made this confusing enough?

On 8/31/2016 9:40 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> Just remember that the F8 selection method is specific to browse mode
> and in both cases (in a browser or an email client) you have to go back
> and forth.
>
> When I'm reading a message in Thunderbird I'm in browse mode and have to
> use the F8 method. But when I'm writing a message I'm not and have to
> use the standard shifted method. Same in a browser. When you're reading
> a page it's F8 and when you exit browse mode to enter text in an edit
> box you have to fall back on the shifted method.
>
> The only constant is when you're in the context pane of a CHM file. then
> you're always in browse mode.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 8/31/2016 3:24 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
>> If you are in Thunderbird or a web browser, Window-Eyes 9 and above has
>> a different selection method. You essentially define the beginning and
>> end of a block of text with the F8 key. While defining the extent of the
>> block, you use unshifted arrow or control-arro keys. When you have
>> pressed F8 the second time, you are asked whether you want to copy
>> formatted or unformatted text onto the Windows clipboard. Which of those
>> options you choose will depend on what you plan to do with the text
>> next.  This is covered in the Window-Eyes Features, Working with the
>> Internet, Selecting Text part of the manual.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>> -Original Message- From: Greg Mason via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:07 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: selecting text
>>
>> I am using a Dell desktop computer.  I am unable to select text with
>> control shift right arrow as usual.  Any help will be appreciated.
>> G
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Some Chatroom Questions

[Jed Barton via Talk]

Hey guys,

OK, i need some help here.  I am trying to put a web site together for 
an internet radio station.  We wanna have a chat room on the web site. 
Here's the problem.  Not many of the chat rooms are accessible at all 
with window-eyes.  Any ideas of a chatroom platform we could put on the 
site for listeners that is accessible, either directly on the site, or 
with some messenger program?

The pluginw e're using is called
iFlyChat

That's the plugin we currently have installed.
Has anyone ever heard of this plugin?

Thanks,
Jed
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