Re: ThunderBird frustrations continued

[Casey via Talk]

Hi where can you get this tool and how easy is it do use with window-eyes?
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Re: ThunderBird frustrations continued

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,
Have you tried compacting found on the file menu.  Also removing the 
history found under the Tools menu


As a desperate measure,  you could try the following.
It would be worth taking a copy of the profile folder before doing the 
following.  This is only in case something goes wrong.


1.  Backup your Thunderrbird settings with the Mozbackup utility. Don't 
just take a copy of the Profile folder and paste it back later. The 
profile folder continues to grow regardless of what you do. My Profile 
folder grew to around 6.5 gb but when backed up with the Mozback utility 
without emails and history, it came down to around 13 mb.



2.  Un-install Tbird making sure the old profile folder is gone. 
Install the latestThunderbird with an empty profile folder.  Use 
theMozbackup utility to put back the settings.


I recently did this to get rid of the huge profile folder.


HTH
Neville.


On 14/09/2016 10:56 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there GROUP!

It seems as though no matter what I try, including trying other
screenreaders, I continue to get ttotally frustrated with ThunderBird.
While reading messages thunderbird just stops.  I press the 'ctrl+w' to
reactivate W.E. and then I have to press 'alt+F4' to wait on the program
to respond or tab to "end program'.  And if I wait on the program to
retrieve new mail, this will usually unlock ThunderBird.I have tried
everything I could think of to try and fix this problem  but absolutely
nothing appears to resolve this issue..? I guess I am going to have to
brake down and get Becky-eMail.  Hopefully this will resolve my
issue..!  Can anyone think of anything elease I can try?  THANKS MUCH! de

.

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Re: Amazon's Kendal Book Reader for the PC

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

It's Kindle, not Kendal.

Peace.
Linette



On 9/13/2016 8:44 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Hello,

A few years ago, Amazon put out a program that was to have made Books,
in the Kendal format, readable by using Amazon's Book reader for the PC.

I did download this Reader, but found it lacking and ended up not using
it.

Now that two or three years have gone by, does anyone on this list have
any recent experience with this Reader by Amazon?

Does it work?  Are there issues I should know about?And of course,
does it work with Window Eyes or NVDA?



Thanks for any comments,

Grumpy Dave



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Re: more web frustrations

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

For about a week, I was having the same problems on a news site. Today, 
everything is working smoothly. Yesterday I used ATF Cleaner because I 
thought that would clear things out, as it were. It must have worked.


Peace.
Linette



On 9/13/2016 7:30 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i do not understand this at all.  This happened all day today while
surfing the web.  I went to google, cause that's my normal search
engine.  I'll go to the search box type in my search, then tab over to
the search button.  A few seconds later, google is saying 1 link, i'll
press the tab key to go through the results, and here comes silence  The
only way to recover it, is to re-start window-eyes.  I am running the
latest we and latest firefox.  This is not right.  Any ideas, anyone
else experiencing similar behavior?
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Re: Amazon's Kendal Book Reader for the PC

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

They have updated the program, but last time I tried it, it still didn't 
worik--either on the PC end or on the web site. I complained and got the 
traditional answer from Amazon that they appreciate my feedback  and sent it 
to their development team--a dead letter box. I haven't tried it withthe the 
very latest Window-Eyes. I had them delete my PC from my devices because I 
couldn't do so. I will admit that I achieved success with the IPhone app. 
So, I didn't pursue work with the PC frurther. I know this is not what you 
wanted to hear.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:44 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Amazon's Kendal Book Reader for the PC

Hello,

A few years ago, Amazon put out a program that was to have made Books,
in the Kendal format, readable by using Amazon's Book reader for the PC.

I did download this Reader, but found it lacking and ended up not using
it.

Now that two or three years have gone by, does anyone on this list have
any recent experience with this Reader by Amazon?

Does it work?  Are there issues I should know about?And of course,
does it work with Window Eyes or NVDA?



Thanks for any comments,

Grumpy Dave


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the latest malware bytes

[Jed Barton via Talk]

Hey guys,

Is the latest malware bytes accessible, or do we have to still use that 
older version?

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Re: how to speed up web pages

[net bat via Talk]

most subjects you have searched for are on the first or second heading
i just press h to go to the first heading, by passing alot of the advertising.
***
try fiddling with in the general menu in other and lowering the  trigger delay 
and/or the space thrushhold settings. this reduced the delay somewhat.


-Original Message- 
From: Jed Barton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 5:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: how to speed up web pages

Hey guys,

Alright, my frustration is really growing, and i need your help with
finding a solution.  I am finding more and more web pages are extremely
slow.  I find that when i'm on a web page with the latest firefox and
window-eyes, i cn literally press the down or up arrow key, and
literally count seconds from when i depress the key until window-eyes
starts talking.  I'll sit there and count, 1, 2, 3, etc.  It's really
annoying.  I find it particularly happens on newspaper and news sites.
How can i get rid of this problem.  All i care about is the text.
Pictures and other stupid images mean absolutely nothing to me. Quite
frankly it's a huge time waster, and those little blocks of 30 seconds
add up during the course of a day when i'm trying to be productive.  Any
solutions?
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ThunderBird frustrations continued

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there GROUP!

It seems as though no matter what I try, including trying other 
screenreaders, I continue to get ttotally frustrated with ThunderBird.  
While reading messages thunderbird just stops.  I press the 'ctrl+w' to 
reactivate W.E. and then I have to press 'alt+F4' to wait on the program 
to respond or tab to "end program'.  And if I wait on the program to 
retrieve new mail, this will usually unlock ThunderBird.I have tried 
everything I could think of to try and fix this problem  but absolutely 
nothing appears to resolve this issue..? I guess I am going to have to 
brake down and get Becky-eMail.  Hopefully this will resolve my 
issue..!  Can anyone think of anything elease I can try?  THANKS MUCH! de


.

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more web frustrations

[Jed Barton via Talk]

Hey guys,

OK, i do not understand this at all.  This happened all day today while 
surfing the web.  I went to google, cause that's my normal search 
engine.  I'll go to the search box type in my search, then tab over to 
the search button.  A few seconds later, google is saying 1 link, i'll 
press the tab key to go through the results, and here comes silence  The 
only way to recover it, is to re-start window-eyes.  I am running the 
latest we and latest firefox.  This is not right.  Any ideas, anyone 
else experiencing similar behavior?

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how to speed up web pages

[Jed Barton via Talk]

Hey guys,

Alright, my frustration is really growing, and i need your help with 
finding a solution.  I am finding more and more web pages are extremely 
slow.  I find that when i'm on a web page with the latest firefox and 
window-eyes, i cn literally press the down or up arrow key, and 
literally count seconds from when i depress the key until window-eyes 
starts talking.  I'll sit there and count, 1, 2, 3, etc.  It's really 
annoying.  I find it particularly happens on newspaper and news sites. 
How can i get rid of this problem.  All i care about is the text. 
Pictures and other stupid images mean absolutely nothing to me. Quite 
frankly it's a huge time waster, and those little blocks of 30 seconds 
add up during the course of a day when i'm trying to be productive.  Any 
solutions?

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Re: Google Chrome

[BK via Talk]

Pam, bookmarks in chrome are the same as favorites in IE, except you
access them a little differently. Press alt, then arrow down once or
twice to get into the list, then press B, and that will open your
bookmarks menu where you can choose what you want to do. BTW, I have had
no problems with the shortcut keys working. I would encourage you to
check out chrome. It's worth it. For example, I could not access live
audio games on MLB with IE, but with chrome I don't even need to log in
or anything. Chrome remembers my password like it's supposed to. All
computing should be this easy, though I still use IE for other things.
Go for it.

Butch
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Re: really direct this time

[David via Talk]

In reality, NO.

VirtualView has been helpful in a very few times here, but I have 
numerous times experienced PDF-files that it did not read at all. Have 
some documents here, that reads fine enough in QRead, does read little 
or nothing in Adobe, and all you can get from the VirtualView is that it 
cannot find any text to display. Have reported it to the developer, but 
even the newest version shows little improvement on the matter. To what 
extent this is due to some settings deep inside the system or app, I 
have been unable to discern.

But for a reliable PDF interpretation, I would say it is far from what 
you really need. Again, it might be due to the kind of PDF files, and 
since the app is freeware, you do not loose anything by trying 
installing it, and give it a go. Only remember, if it reports back that 
there is no text, or if you think the document will hold more text, give 
any other reader or OCR a try.

By the way, have tested the app with a few other file formats that it 
supposedly could be used on, with just as little result. Even on 
screenshots it come out with poor results. The app has proven helpful to 
several users here, and the idea is a great one. so I wonder if tweaking 
the settings could be my bottleneck. Perhaps other users could tell what 
settings they have found helpful.

The hotkey of the app, is by default Alt-Ctrl-V. Should that not work on 
your computer, go to the WE Controlpanel, open the App Manager, and go 
under the VirtualView and choose Help, then choose Hotkey Manager and 
give the app another hotkey that is not in conflict with other stuff on 
your PC.



On 9/13/2016 5:20 PM, Linette Sukup via Talk wrote:
 >
 >
 > I know I asked this before, but I never got a direct answer. Can 
Virtual View be used instead of Adobe Acrobat or Qread or another PDF 
reader? Also, are the keystrokes used to activate it Control Alt V?
 > Thank you.
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Re: Word And Compatability Mode

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

Just to add one more thing to Chip's excellent explanation, if you are 
dealing with a protected document, you must go to the Info tab in the File 
menu. I believe the second option is to enable editing. You can press the 
Spacebar, and you'll be good to go. I know this is true for 2010 and assume 
it is true in newer versions.


-Original Message- 
From: Chip Orange via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:18 PM
To: j...@jedbarton.com ; 'Jed Barton' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Word And Compatability Mode

Hi Jed,

Do you mean compatability mode or protected mode?

If you're opening documents from email or by downloading them with your
browser, this is likely to be protected mode; I believe there is a setting
inside of Word which lets you disable the use of protected mode (but it's
supposed to be a risk for viruses, but I believe it's a very low risk).

If it is compatability mode, this is usually when you get documents created
by other people who are using an older version of Word.  The compatability
mode keeps you from using newer features in word that such people would not
have in their older copies of Word.

If you aren't getting these documents from others but are creating them
yourself, It's possible that you accidentally set your default saving format
in Word to be Word 2003 and earlier (which is what compatability mode refers
to).

Hth,

Chip


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On Behalf Of Jed Barton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Word And Compatability Mode

Hey guys,

A bunch of my documents in word are opening in compatability mode.  How
do i stop this from happening?  I am running office 365.  In fact when i
open a document, it isn't reading anything.  Any ideas?
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RE: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

[Chip Orange via Talk]

I agree with everything you said Tom ... except your concluding paragraph
seems to have kicked the legs out from under your point that better
documentation is helpful, and necessary in this case.  I would like to see
the WE manual significantly enhanced.

I don't see anything wrong with the idea of a volunteer taking over the
production of tutorials.  He/she could create a site (such as a Window-Eyes
wiki or better a media wiki), which lists their tutorials and what's
covered, and links to the audio/video of the tutorial, and allows for
comments on each tutorial.

I did just this with the scripting tutorials, creating my own web site,
until GW offered to host them on their own servers.  I'm not offering to do
this a second time, but I am encouraging Sky or anyone else who feels like
trying it to give it a try; I really knew nothing about producing tutorials
when I did the scripting ones, but I knew that I never would learn unless I
decided to give it a try.

It doesn't have to be a single person either; the AppleVis team is a good
example of how well multiple people can work together to produce useful,
high quality, material.

Chip


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On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:55 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

Jim,

I agree with you on more than one way to do things. I don't think the 
comparison with algebra is quite spot on but the idea is. In something 
like algebra different methods just click better with some people. So 
choice is good. But I often find the single explanations of how to do 
something on our computer is the long way around, i.e. creating a 
shortcut reduces it to one key combination rather than several steps. 
But of course teaching one how to best maximize their productivity 
certainly isn't the responsibility of screen reader developers.

On the other hand I do agree with Sky regarding the writing of manuals. 
Good documentation is in my opinion an art form. I'm not saying that the 
WE manuals are particularly bad, but there is certainly room for 
improvement. When the new manuals were written a lot of material was 
left out or so minimized that the scant explanations really tell the 
user nothing. But of course writing documentation is the last thing most 
developers want to focus on or spend time on. And Sky is right about 
information overload. Patience is often rare and quitting is always 
easier. So it's somewhat of a no win situation.

Regards,
Tom


On 8/30/2016 9:37 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Sky, I would
>
>  like to respectfully disagree with your suggestion.  When I was taking
> an algebra class in college, my professor would give several methods for
> solving problems.  A lot of students didn't like this.  I happen to be
> in the minority.  I liked it, because if one method didn't work I would
> have another method to try.  For example, some students liked to use
> graphing to solve a problem while I preferred using the quadratic
> formula to solve problems when that was possible. I feel that the more
> ways we have to solve an issue the better off we are.  OK, I understand
> that for a beginner too many ways might be a bit confusing, but as long
> as one isn't overwhelmed with info, having more than one way to solved a
> problem deffinetly works well for me!  Just another suggestion.  Have A
> Good 1! de
> .
> On 30-Aug-16 21:23, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>> Sorry Sky, but I just can't resist. Are you applying for the position
>> ?
>>
>> On 8/30/2016 7:44 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, Steven Klower does the Window-Eyes tutorials, but I have a few
>>> suggestions for how the tutorials could be improved.
>>>
>>> 1. When training clients, I always stick to one way of doing things.
>>> What
>>> that means, is I only do one method of showing the clents how to do
>>> things.
>>> Showing multiple ways can often clutter up the mind of the person who is
>>> learning any screen reader, such as Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>> 2. The tutorials need to be presented in a easier-to-understand
>>> language. It
>>> should provide steps for accomplishing things, such as, to open up
>>> Microsoft
>>> word, do the following.
>>>
>>> 1. press the windows logo key. The windows logo key is located on the
>>> bottom
>>> left side of the keyboard, next to the left control key.
>>>
>>> 2. Type in the words word to open up Microsoft word.   Once you do that,
>>> Window-Eyes will say your version number of office word, such as
>>> 2010, 2013,
>>> or 2016.
>>>
>>> 3. After typing in the words word, press enter to open up Microsoft
>>> office
>>> word 2010.
>>>
>>> I would also suggest that the manual be re-written in an easier to
>>> understand language. I have read the manual and to me it doesn't
>>> sound like
>>> it is written in an easier to understand language for 

RE: Word And Compatability Mode

[Chip Orange via Talk]

Hi Jed,

Do you mean compatability mode or protected mode?

If you're opening documents from email or by downloading them with your
browser, this is likely to be protected mode; I believe there is a setting
inside of Word which lets you disable the use of protected mode (but it's
supposed to be a risk for viruses, but I believe it's a very low risk).

If it is compatability mode, this is usually when you get documents created
by other people who are using an older version of Word.  The compatability
mode keeps you from using newer features in word that such people would not
have in their older copies of Word. 

If you aren't getting these documents from others but are creating them
yourself, It's possible that you accidentally set your default saving format
in Word to be Word 2003 and earlier (which is what compatability mode refers
to).

Hth,

Chip


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On Behalf Of Jed Barton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:41 PM
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Subject: Word And Compatability Mode

Hey guys,

A bunch of my documents in word are opening in compatability mode.  How 
do i stop this from happening?  I am running office 365.  In fact when i 
open a document, it isn't reading anything.  Any ideas?
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Word And Compatability Mode

[Jed Barton via Talk]

Hey guys,

A bunch of my documents in word are opening in compatability mode.  How 
do i stop this from happening?  I am running office 365.  In fact when i 
open a document, it isn't reading anything.  Any ideas?

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Re: Google Chrome

[via Talk]

Thanks for telling me this.  I was considering using it since I'm having 
major league problems with internet explorer.  What is this bookmarking 
thing you are talking about?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave Bahr via Talk

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:50 PM
To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Google Chrome

I was just going to write up a message about it. So it is faster at loading 
pages, but the bookmarks menu is not accessible at all. It also does crash a 
good bit. I've had to switch back to firefox though because of the bookmarks 
menu being what it is. And you can't reclass it because it's just classed as 
a Chrome Wiedget.


So, yeah, I do like the fact that it loads pages faster. Oh, regarding the 
menu, yeah it's kinda weird and the keyboard shortcuts don't work very well 
to navigate it.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dcbahr1=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: 09/12/2016 04:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Google Chrome

I finally got back to trying Google Chrome again. Faster and easier to use? 
Not so fast. At least, I got from the correct site and didn’t get any 
unwanted downloads. However, the menu is hard to figure out. I can’t even 
set the home page I want. It does seem to load sites faster. How do I set my 
hoe page?

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RE: really direct this time

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
If the PDF can be read, IE not a scanned image, you'd get better results with 
Reader or QRead.

The keystroke is alt-control-v.
Chris


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Linette Sukup via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: really direct this time



I know I asked this before, but I never got a direct answer. Can Virtual View 
be used instead of Adobe Acrobat or Qread or another PDF reader? 
Also, are the keystrokes used to activate it Control Alt V?
Thank you.

Peace.
Linette

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really direct this time

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

I know I asked this before, but I never got a direct answer. Can Virtual 
View be used instead of Adobe Acrobat or Qread or another PDF reader? 
Also, are the keystrokes used to activate it Control Alt V?

Thank you.

Peace.
Linette

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