RE: Window-Eyes!

[Ivan Cribb via Talk]

HEAR HEAR.
Ivan Cribb

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+icribb=iinet.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 11:15 AM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes!

Yay!



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On Tue, 9 May 2017 20:26:21 -0400
Loy via Talk  wrote:

> We have all given our opinions about where Window Eyes is dead or not. So
why don't we, including me, stop with the comments and return this list to
helping Window Eyes users. 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: CJ  MAY via Talk 
>   To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:40 PM
>   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes!
> 
> 
>   Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the
number
>   of Window-eyes users has fallen?
> 
>   What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so new
users
>   will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.
> 
>
> 
>   Alison
> 
>   burban 
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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Ivan Cribb via Talk]

Dear Sky,
Talk about W E being dead is just empty chatter for the time being.
Ivan

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+icribb=iinet.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 2:02 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

Hi Chris.  Its Sky here.  I will tell you guys that, even before the office
version of Window-Eyes came out, their were even lies told by venders about
it.  For example, some of the venders would say Window-Eyes was going bust,
or that it isn't good, etc, etc, etc, and those factors has never helped
Window-Eyes flourish at all.Even the blind institutions, like CNIB, etc,
would tell lies about Window-Eyes too.   I remember a list member telling me
he had a blazing argument on the talkx email list with a vender and the
vender told him their was no favouritism regarding JAWS and other screen
readers. -Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 8:35 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may 
be legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before 
the date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to 
come on here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell 
anyone.  They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to 
wait and see what that announcement says, how they plan to take their 
next action and what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my 
system, which it clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an 
official announcement that it is so in my book, that means it's still 
alive even if it might be in the short term.  We shall wait and see. The 
announcement might not even happen for another year. None of us knows.  
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make 
an  announcement.

Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all 
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.






On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
> would step in and say it ain't so?
>
> On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
>> discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
>> until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.
>>
>> On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
>>> folks at
>>> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
>>>
>>> Peter Duran
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
>>>
>>>If you're trying to get people to stop using
>>> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
>>> there
>>> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
>>> people will still use it no matter what you say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
 Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
 irrational to
 presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
 one a
 lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
 screen-reader wars.

 Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
 over time
>>> so
 we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

 Peter Duran

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On
 Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
 To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 Can one be created?

 Vaughan.



 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]

 On
 Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
 To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

 -Original Message-
 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
 To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I didn't 

RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Chris.  Its Sky here.  I will tell you guys that, even before the office
version of Window-Eyes came out, their were even lies told by venders about
it.  For example, some of the venders would say Window-Eyes was going bust,
or that it isn't good, etc, etc, etc, and those factors has never helped
Window-Eyes flourish at all.Even the blind institutions, like CNIB, etc,
would tell lies about Window-Eyes too.   I remember a list member telling me
he had a blazing argument on the talkx email list with a vender and the
vender told him their was no favouritism regarding JAWS and other screen
readers. -Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 8:35 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may 
be legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before 
the date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to 
come on here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell 
anyone.  They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to 
wait and see what that announcement says, how they plan to take their 
next action and what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my 
system, which it clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an 
official announcement that it is so in my book, that means it's still 
alive even if it might be in the short term.  We shall wait and see. The 
announcement might not even happen for another year. None of us knows.  
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make 
an  announcement.

Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all 
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.






On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
> would step in and say it ain't so?
>
> On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
>> discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
>> until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.
>>
>> On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
>>> folks at
>>> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
>>>
>>> Peter Duran
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
>>>
>>>If you're trying to get people to stop using
>>> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
>>> there
>>> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
>>> people will still use it no matter what you say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
 Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
 irrational to
 presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
 one a
 lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
 screen-reader wars.

 Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
 over time
>>> so
 we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

 Peter Duran

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On
 Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
 To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 Can one be created?

 Vaughan.



 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]

 On
 Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
 To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

 -Original Message-
 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
 To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  
 say
>>> that
 JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes 

Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may 
be legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before 
the date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to 
come on here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell 
anyone.  They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to 
wait and see what that announcement says, how they plan to take their 
next action and what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my 
system, which it clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an 
official announcement that it is so in my book, that means it's still 
alive even if it might be in the short term.  We shall wait and see. The 
announcement might not even happen for another year. None of us knows.  
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make 
an  announcement.


Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all 
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.







On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
would step in and say it ain't so?


On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.

On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
folks at

GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

   If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
there

has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
one a

lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
over time

so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  
say

that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a 
fanticy

instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay 
around also

believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will

cover


everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks 
without

any health care.

Peter Duran

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Re: Interesting - someone tried to unsubscribe me from the list

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Yep, I got a couple the other day.  I ignored them.
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On Tue, 9 May 2017, 
Brenda via Talk wrote:


Just got a message that a request to unsubscribe from the talk mailing list 
had been received.



Has anyone else had this happen to them?


I enjoy this list and do not want to unsubscribe  - not sure what is going 
on.



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RE: Interesting - someone tried to unsubscribe me from the list

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

No such happening yet for me.  Thanks for alerting everyone.

Vaughan.



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Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
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Just got a message that a request to unsubscribe from the talk mailing list had 
been received.


Has anyone else had this happen to them?


I enjoy this list and do not want to unsubscribe  - not sure what is 
going on.


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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Dave via Talk]

Speaking of the Thousands and thousands of Window Eyes users, does
anyone know roughly the size of the Window Eyes Customer base?  

NVDA claims to have had a bit over 60 thousand downloadws of its screen
reader, World Wide, which I find an amazingly low number.  

Have always been curious as to the size of the distrabution of Window
Eyes.  

Grumpy Dave



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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Dave via Talk]

Yeah, I too wish NVDA could copy the Window Eyes keyboard commands.  I
find the Insert Up Arrow to be a bit Funky when reading the line the
cursor is found.  

I also wish NVDA had the User Window Feature, something I use all the
time.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

No, it's not smart business. Besides, I thought there would be an 
announcement in June.   

On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
> would step in and say it ain't so?
> 
> On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
>> discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
>> until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.
>>
>> On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
>>> folks at
>>> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
>>>
>>> Peter Duran
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>>>
>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
>>>
>>>If you're trying to get people to stop using
>>> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
>>> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
>>> people will still use it no matter what you say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
 Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
 presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
 one a
 lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
 screen-reader wars.

 Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over 
 time
>>> so
 we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

 Peter Duran

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On
 Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
 To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 Can one be created?

 Vaughan.



 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On
 Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
 To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

 -Original Message-
 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
 To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say
>>> that
 JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
 Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


 It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a 
 fanticy
 instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
 continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

 There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
 VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

 I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around 
 also
 believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will
>>> cover

 everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks 
 without
 any health care.

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Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Brenda via Talk]

So maybe listers should consider sending a copy of their messages on 
this list to the VFO customer service or tech support or Doug or anyone 
else in the organization and see if they react or respond?



On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
would step in and say it ain't so?


On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.

On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
folks at

GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

   If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
there

has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
one a

lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
over time

so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  
say

that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a 
fanticy

instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay 
around also

believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will

cover


everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks 
without

any health care.

Peter Duran

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Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Don H via Talk]

Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
would step in and say it ain't so?


On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.

On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the folks at
GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

   If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time

so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say

that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will

cover


everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO 
discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead 
until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.

On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the folks at
> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
> 
> Peter Duran
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
> 
>   If you're trying to get people to stop using
> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
> people will still use it no matter what you say.
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
>> presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
>> lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
>> screen-reader wars.
>>
>> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time
> so
>> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.
>>
>> Peter Duran
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Can one be created?
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
>> To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
>> To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say
> that
>> JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>>
>> It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
>> instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
>> continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?
>>
>> There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
>> VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.
>>
>> I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
>> believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will
> cover
>>
>> everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
>> any health care.
>>
>> Peter Duran
>>
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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Yay!



www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Tue, 9 May 2017 20:26:21 -0400
Loy via Talk  wrote:

> We have all given our opinions about where Window Eyes is dead or not. So why 
> don't we, including me, stop with the comments and return this list to 
> helping Window Eyes users. 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: CJ  MAY via Talk 
>   To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:40 PM
>   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes!
> 
> 
>   Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the number
>   of Window-eyes users has fallen?
> 
>   What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so new users
>   will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.
> 
>
> 
>   Alison
> 
>   burban 
> 
>
> 
>
> 
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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Amen!

On 5/9/2017 8:26 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

We have all given our opinions about where Window Eyes is dead or not. So why 
don't we, including me, stop with the comments and return this list to helping 
Window Eyes users.
  - Original Message -
  From: CJ  MAY via Talk
  To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:40 PM
  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes!


  Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the number
  of Window-eyes users has fallen?

  What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so new users
  will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.



  Alison

  burban





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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Peter Duran via Talk]

Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the folks at
GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 If you're trying to get people to stop using 
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there 
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead. 
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
> presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
> lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
> screen-reader wars.
>
> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time
so
> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.
>
> Peter Duran
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Can one be created?
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
> To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
> To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say
that
> JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
>
> It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
> instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
> continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?
>
> There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
> VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.
>
> I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
> believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will
cover
>
> everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
> any health care.
>
> Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Loy via Talk]

We have all given our opinions about where Window Eyes is dead or not. So why 
don't we, including me, stop with the comments and return this list to helping 
Window Eyes users. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: CJ  MAY via Talk 
  To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:40 PM
  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes!


  Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the number
  of Window-eyes users has fallen?

  What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so new users
  will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.

   

  Alison

  burban 

   

   

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[CJ MAY via Talk]

It may be dying, Peter, but it isn't ctually dead yet. It works absolutely
fine for me on Windows 10 and I will be sticking with it until I reach a
time when Window-eyes can no longer support the work I'm doing.

So, let's just say it is terminally ill, rather than dead!

 

Alison

 

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RE: Window-Eyes!

[CJ MAY via Talk]

Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the number
of Window-eyes users has fallen?

What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so new users
will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.

 

Alison

burban 

 

 

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RE: why does outlook not find attachments?

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I've never had much success with f7 but by shift-tabbing I am usually able
to find the attachment and open or save it.

 

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I'm much happier with this subject line - smile!

Alison

 

 

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Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

If you're trying to get people to stop using 
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there 
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead. 
people will still use it no matter what you say.




On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time so
we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say that
JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover

everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: why does outlook not find attachments?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Ted,

Try the hot key Control-Alt-A.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 6:09 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: why does outlook not find attachments?

   Dear List:

I am using windows ten and office 2016 with outlook.

After receiving an e-mail that definitely had an attachment, because other
people receiving it were able to open it, Window-eyes said "no attachments
found" when I hit the alt-7 key.  In the inbox, the message description said
that there are attachments, but, when I hit enter to get into the message
and then hit the alt-7, it said "no attachments found."  Do you have any
ideas why it cannot find and open the document?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted
Larson

 

 

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why does outlook not find attachments?

[Ted Larson via Talk]

   Dear List:

I am using windows ten and office 2016 with outlook.

After receiving an e-mail that definitely had an attachment, because other
people receiving it were able to open it, Window-eyes said "no attachments
found" when I hit the alt-7 key.  In the inbox, the message description said
that there are attachments, but, when I hit enter to get into the message
and then hit the alt-7, it said "no attachments found."  Do you have any
ideas why it cannot find and open the document?  Thanks.  Regards:  Ted
Larson

 

 

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Peter Duran via Talk]

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time so
we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say that
JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy 
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to 
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and 
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also 
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover

everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without 
any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say that 
JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy 
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to 
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and 
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also 
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover 
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without 
any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Yay  for some leadership.

Best.

Vaughan.



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[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:42 a.m.
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Dave
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Just for reference sake. I did call vfo and ask about the we version of fusion. 
I asked straight up if it was a dead product and she said yes. She said the jfw 
version of fusion will be out within the next 2 months and will be sold as 
fusion version 11. If you have a esp (ai2's version of a
sma) it will be automatically delivered as major upgrade. For those who don't 
have sma, fusion home version is $200. Neospeech voices will not be in it. Only 
eloquence and vocalizer. I am not buying.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 9, 2017 8:23 AM, "Dave via Talk"  wrote:

> Having NVDA be purchased by VFO would be quite telling, wouldn't it.
>
> NVDA isn't yet in the same class of screen Reader as JAWS, so the VFO 
> folks may not bother with NVDA, thinking it isn't much of a threat, 
> and are only used by those who couldn't ever afford JAWS.
>
> Let's not forget that NVDA also suffers from the same Cash Flow problems
> GW Micro did.NVDA survives because they receive grant money, and
> other support from other sources of money.  And then there is the 
> Donations that come in from actual users of NVDA, which I have a 
> suspicion, is not all that much.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
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RE: Window-Eyes!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Jim: I think you will find that the user number is declining.  Importantly: 
those users who have paid for their licenses to use Window-Eyes has been 
declining.  It isn't really current users who matter - it is future potential 
users who have chosen to go to NVDA or who have shelled out to buy JAWS because 
their livelihoods depend upon a working, reliable screen reader today, tomorrow 
and beyond.
  Cash flow does not come from current users.  It comes courtesy of a product 
being available which new people are prepared to buy. I have two installs on a 
software maintenance agreement, purchased nealry 18 months ago.  That cash, 
provided to AI Squared out of loyalty and good faith has gone. I would have 
expected at least one significant upgrade against my SMA and that would have 
been enough to restore my faith in AI Squared.And now: if someone were to 
ask me about Window-Eyes - I'd say don't spend a cent on it.  Demo it using the 
Office deal.  So: I'm actively prepared to discourage people from purchasing 
Window-Eyes, because it isn't worth the purchase and the sma IS NOT A GOOD 
FAITH RELATIONSHIP ANYMORE.  By contrast: people who actively support NVDA seem 
happy to continue to do so, because of frequent upgrades.  I'm not an NVDA 
user, so don't know how good or bad it really is.  

 
If  reducing paid customer demand was not so - the Window-Eyes for Office deal 
would not have been put in place, and the VFO merger or takeover would not have 
occurred.  Why are people so prepared to trash Window-Eyes on this list, making 
it very clear that they are using NVDA with some degree of personal preference? 
 

So: please don't accuse those of us who disagree with you as simply providing 
speculation - you don't have the user statistics to back up your claim either.

If you wanted to show some leadership, email someone senior at VFO and find out 
what the official word is and then paste the reply into a truly informative 
message.  People have been commenting on this tread for 10 months.  Why has no 
one from VFO shut down the threads?  Why has VFO not written to those of us as 
critics and paying customers and told us what is going to happen?  

In short: misrepresenting the opinions of others who disagree with you is 
unhelpful.



Vaughan.



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From: Talk 
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Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 6:14 a.m.
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Subject: Window-Eyes!

You all know that there are a very large number of Window-Eyes users. 
and all of this "speculation" no matter the source is still just "speculation". 
 I personally know several window-Eyes users who are not on this list that 
think all of this talk is nothing but a bunch of rubbish! Okay, there might be 
some truth to some of it, but I am quite certain that the very large number of 
Window-Eyes users are more than likely not goig to be hung out to dry with no 
where to turn.  So, all of these sources no matter how "reliable they might or 
might not  be" have said absolutley nothing abut the thouhsands and thousands 
of Window-Eyes users".

So, until I actually here that W.E. is no longer going to be supported 
or developped I will continue to question these posts.  
Thanks for your time & Have A Great Day! de

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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

I agree.  All this speculation is exactly that, speculation. Until the 
official word comes out, I'm still supporting Window-Eyes.  All this 
speculation is just a waste of electrons and disk space.--Matthew Chao





On 5/9/2017 2:14 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
You all know that there are a very large number of Window-Eyes users. 
and all of this "speculation" no matter the source is still just 
"speculation".  I personally know several window-Eyes users who are 
not on this list that think all of this talk is nothing but a bunch of 
rubbish! Okay, there might be some truth to some of it, but I am quite 
certain that the very large number of Window-Eyes users are more than 
likely not goig to be hung out to dry with no where to turn.  So, all 
of these sources no matter how "reliable they might or might not  be" 
have said absolutley nothing abut the thouhsands and thousands of 
Window-Eyes users".


So, until I actually here that W.E. is no longer going to be supported 
or developped I will continue to question these posts.  
Thanks for your time & Have A Great Day! de


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Window-Eyes!

[Jim via Talk]

You all know that there are a very large number of Window-Eyes users. 
and all of this "speculation" no matter the source is still just 
"speculation".  I personally know several window-Eyes users who are not 
on this list that think all of this talk is nothing but a bunch of 
rubbish! Okay, there might be some truth to some of it, but I am quite 
certain that the very large number of Window-Eyes users are more than 
likely not goig to be hung out to dry with no where to turn.  So, all of 
these sources no matter how "reliable they might or might not  be" have 
said absolutley nothing abut the thouhsands and thousands of Window-Eyes 
users".


So, until I actually here that W.E. is no longer going to be supported 
or developped I will continue to question these posts.  
Thanks for your time & Have A Great Day! de


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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Come on now Sis Reeva!  AI Squared and GW Micro PAID EMPLOYEES are still
here on list; we are both too blind to SEE them!  They're on lunch break,
shall be back shortly.  Window-Eyes isn't dead, it's convalescing at a
hospice near us!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I anticipate that eventually NVDA and other screenreader competitors will be
bought out to eliminate competition and eventually there will just be Jaws.

But until that day, I will continue to use and enjoy Window-eyes.

 

Alison

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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

   It's open source, too.  I don't think sauce has anything to do with 
this.  That could get rather messy.





On 5/9/2017 8:11 AM, john pitts via Talk wrote:
no i very much doubt that, as NVDA is open sauce, that means that all 
the people who developed it do it voluntary, and it's something to be 
proud of.


-Original Message- From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:55 AM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison







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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Yes, the following posted on this list a couple days bac says it all:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8


https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354


that is all.

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Harris via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 2:56 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued?

Sent from my iPhone

On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ  MAY via Talk  
wrote:


I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison







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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

After reading the following post from this list a couple of days back, this 
tells me the end of Window Eyes:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth

https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354

that is all.


-Original Message- 
From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 12:14 PM
To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Hi Peter,

Why not two screen readers from VFO.

Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
brand VFO sells.

Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
upgrades!

Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
appple products having only one choice, Voice over!

NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
issues!

I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
9.54 with little issues.

I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
have NVDA as a backup screen reader.

Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
alive, Like HumanWare.

So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
instead.

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Just for reference sake. I did call vfo and ask about the we version of
fusion. I asked straight up if it was a dead product and she said yes. She
said the jfw version of fusion will be out within the next 2 months and
will be sold as fusion version 11. If you have a esp (ai2's version of a
sma) it will be automatically delivered as major upgrade. For those who
don't have sma, fusion home version is $200. Neospeech voices will not be
in it. Only eloquence and vocalizer. I am not buying.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 9, 2017 8:23 AM, "Dave via Talk"  wrote:

> Having NVDA be purchased by VFO would be quite telling, wouldn't it.
>
> NVDA isn't yet in the same class of screen Reader as JAWS, so the VFO
> folks may not bother with NVDA, thinking it isn't much of a threat, and
> are only used by those who couldn't ever afford JAWS.
>
> Let's not forget that NVDA also suffers from the same Cash Flow problems
> GW Micro did.NVDA survives because they receive grant money, and
> other support from other sources of money.  And then there is the
> Donations that come in from actual users of NVDA, which I have a
> suspicion, is not all that much.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message- 
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say that 
JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy 
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to 
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?


There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and 
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.


I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also 
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover 
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without 
any health care.


Peter Duran

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Re: A blast from the past?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

My first computer was an EVAS computer running dos and articvision.  I got 
it from the Commission for the blind in the beginning of 1991.  I also had a 
key braille braille display.  That package cost the Commission a bundle!  In 
the later 1990s, they were going to update my equipment, giving me another 
computer running dos and  vocal eyes and a power braille; but since they 
changed their rules, I only got to use it in training and I never got to 
take it home.  They said I would get it when I got another job, which I 
never managed to get.  The windows computers were not purchased from the 
state.  I got the first one of those in 2000.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Michael Capelle via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:02 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Joseph Norton' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List'

Subject: Re: A blast from the past?

i also started out with window-eyes, using a speak-out synth.
i also used megadots, vocal-eyes, and windows 3.11.

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 5:01 PM
To: 'Joseph Norton' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: A blast from the past?

I began learning to work with computers on my own in 1992; my first screen
reader and synthesizer were purchased with my own funds from E V A S in
Rhode Island.  I had not known that I could have made a purchase right here
in my village through Beyond Sight, Inc. which initially was Second Sight.
I don't recall what the name of the screen reader was back then, it was most
certainly for DOS; it came with Apollo synthesizer, but not knowing much too
much about computers, I could not get it to work, so, I sent it back for a
refund.

Learning to use my computer became a huge problem for nearly five weeks!
Then I got some more information about Second Sight owned by Jim Misener.  I
visited him at home, almost a 40-minute drive from where I lived.  He talked
to me about Vocal-Eyes!  I was hesitant; he did several demos for me and
allowed me to play with his computer.  He showed me some basic Vocal-Eyes
commands.  Wow, Vocal-Eyes' responsiveness sold me at last!  I bought the
screen reader from him with Sounding Board which I still have to this day.
Later, I purchased Speak-out directly from GW Micro and I still have it,
although the battery is dead and I can't find the charger and the parallel
port connector it came with.

Jim Misener did move his company to a store front and changed its name to
Beyond Sight, Inc.  About 12 years ago or thereabout, he sold it and got out
of business altogether.

I have been a customer of GW Micro since the latter half of 1992!  I later
learned that GW Micro was an offshoot of Computer Aids Corporation which,
back in the '80's was a pioneer in its own right in the area of screen
reading technology albeit Apple's II-E was the most popular stuff in town
next to Tandy and Atari if memory serves.  I was a student at Indiana
University Bloomington when Computer Aids Corporation, Inc. made a name for
itself; however, I didn't pay any close attention to computers and held on
to my typewriter for dear life!

Some of what I said above about GW Micro may be incorrect, but I'm sure
there are more knowledgeable folks here who can bail me out by helping to
correct a few things.  Aside from anything else, that's my story as it
relates to my involvement with GW Micro!  I'll go back to watching
Window-Eyes in its hospice bed take the last breath!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Dave via Talk]

Having NVDA be purchased by VFO would be quite telling, wouldn't it.  

NVDA isn't yet in the same class of screen Reader as JAWS, so the VFO
folks may not bother with NVDA, thinking it isn't much of a threat, and
are only used by those who couldn't ever afford JAWS.  

Let's not forget that NVDA also suffers from the same Cash Flow problems
GW Micro did.NVDA survives because they receive grant money, and
other support from other sources of money.  And then there is the
Donations that come in from actual users of NVDA, which I have a
suspicion, is not all that much.  


Grumpy Dave




 
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Re: A blast from the past?

[Bill Herzler via Talk]

Joseph, 
thanks for posting that. This brings back some good memories from my time at GW 
Micro. 
Regards, 
Bill 

> On May 8, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk 
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> 
> that sure brings back memories! for sure!
> 
> -
> Curtis Delzer, HS.
> WB6HEF
> San Bernardino, CA
> 
> On Mon, 8 May 2017 13:03:59 -0400
> Joseph Norton via Talk  wrote:
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>> Hi listers:
>> 
>> I just want to say that, whatever the future of Window-Eyes, it’s been a 
>> great 18 years—at least, by June of this year, it’ll have been around 18 
>> years since I bought Window-Eyes.
>> 
>> 
>> And, for those of you who weren’t using WE back then, here’s a link to an 
>> interesting sound file.
>> 
>> This came right from my Window-Eyes CD-Rom from June of 1999.
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/duppzrhov7qd8j3/WELCOME.WAV?dl=1
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>> 
>> 
>> Enjoy!
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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Oh, yeah, there there's actual paid gw employees on list too. Wait, there's
not anymore? Where they all go?  We has a bright future ahead of it, huh?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 9, 2017 7:22 AM, "Rod Hutton via Talk" 
wrote:

> Hi Darren,
>
> Nothing's been announced.
> This used to be a tech support list, and indeed, it still serves as one
> for those who have technical questions.
> All other talk is just that, talk, talk, and more talk.
> So, if you have technical questions, please submit them, and those
> generous list members who actually have knowledge of the way Window-Eyes
> works will anser your questions.
>
> All the best,
>
> Rod Hutton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail.com@lists.
> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:57 AM
> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List <
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> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ  MAY via Talk 
> wrote:
> >
> > I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
> > competitor left in the field.
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> >
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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Loy via Talk]

No, it has not been confirmed.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darren Harris via Talk 
  To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:56 AM
  Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


  Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued?

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ  MAY via Talk  
wrote:
  > 
  > I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
  > competitor left in the field.
  > 
  > Alison
  > 
  > 
  > 
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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Darren,

Nothing's been announced.
This used to be a tech support list, and indeed, it still serves as one for 
those who have technical questions.
All other talk is just that, talk, talk, and more talk.
So, if you have technical questions, please submit them, and those generous 
list members who actually have knowledge of the way Window-Eyes works will 
anser your questions.

All the best,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:57 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ  MAY via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
> competitor left in the field.
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

Actually, all of the members of the gang of five, Apple, Microsoft, Google, 
Facebook and Amazon regularly buy technologies from start-ups, whether or not 
the software is currently free, and so NVDA might sell if they get the right 
offer.
Why not?

Fingers crossed,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of john pitts via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 8:12 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

no i very much doubt that, as NVDA is open sauce, that means that 
all the people who developed it do it voluntary, and it's something to be 
proud of.

-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:55 AM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison







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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[john pitts via Talk]

   no i very much doubt that, as NVDA is open sauce, that means that 
all the people who developed it do it voluntary, and it's something to be 
proud of.


-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:55 AM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison







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RE: Re outlook 2010 settings

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Mark,

Here's some of my notes:

Best,

Rod

How to configure Window-Eyes for use with Outlook

First, you must install the set files for the most current version of Office or 
whatever version of Office you are using.
This is done from the Factory Settings dialog, opened from the File menu within 
the Window-Eyes control panel.
Indeed, Office 365 is the most accessible version of Office to use with any 
screen reader.
At the time of this writing, Office 2016 is the most current version of Office, 
and it is the version included in Office 365.
Then, install the Office Enhance app, and then the Outlook Enhance app, in this 
precise order.
Even if the above two apps are already installed, you can reinstall them 
without uninstalling them.
Note that a reboot is always required after installing the Outlook Enhance app.
Next, make sure that the Outlook Enhance add-on isn't disabled within Outlook, 
as follows:
>From the main Outlook window, press:
alt-f, t, A twice, tab 4 times.
Down arrow to disabled and tab to go and press enter.
Next, arrow through, if something like Outlook Enhance is in the list, press 
space on it.
Shift-tab to enable and press enter.
Press Ok or close all dialogs you opened.
Restart outlook.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Mark Cussons via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:17 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Re outlook 2010 settings

HI All,
Please can some one help me with a detailed steps on the outlook 2010
settings needed to ensure WE is as accessible as can be?  
My work laptop was in for repair, and subsequently my hard drive had to be
replaced etc.
Any helpe would be appreciated.
Regards 
Mark  

Mark Cussons 
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Re outlook 2010 settings

[Mark Cussons via Talk]

HI All,
Please can some one help me with a detailed steps on the outlook 2010
settings needed to ensure WE is as accessible as can be?  
My work laptop was in for repair, and subsequently my hard drive had to be
replaced etc.
Any helpe would be appreciated.
Regards 
Mark  

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[CJ MAY via Talk]

No, but you'd think so by the subject headings and the negative talk on this
list!

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Dennis Long via Talk]

These companies don't have to agree to the sales or mergers they choose to
do so.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:55 AM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison

 

 

 

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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Darren Harris via Talk]

Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued?

Sent from my iPhone

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> I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison

 

 

 

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