Re: how do we know?

[net bat via Talk]

if its worth anything i asked a sales person i bought the expressive vocalizer 
voices from 2 weeks ago and they told me window eyes was not going to disapear.


-Original Message- 
From: bryan via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: how do we know?

If v f o has not made an anouncement about doing away with window-eyes.
Then why are people saying it's dead?  Should we not wait for word from
them instead of all this speculation?

I mean we really don't know.

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how do we know?

[bryan via Talk]

If v f o has not made an anouncement about doing away with window-eyes.  
Then why are people saying it's dead?  Should we not wait for word from 
them instead of all this speculation?


I mean we really don't know.

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RE: Fw: Window-Eyes!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Might be: happy to be corrected.  However - I haven't seen VFO discredit it.

What I think we have to accept is that VFO is unlikely to use this list as part 
of the distribution of details regarding Window-eyes.  So: we need to keep 
watching the VFO site, set up the FS casts for automatically podcast downloads 
and all of us get on with making the choices we need to make.


Vaughan.



-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 9:45 a.m.
To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Fw: Window-Eyes!

I think the tweet was not from Eric, but from someone saying Eric said this. 
- Original Message -
  From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk 
  To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: Window-Eyes!


  So the Twitter post allegedly from Eric Damery of Freedom Scientific and 
  VFO is not speculation/


  If it is not an official post, can someone locate the press statement 
  from VFO denying it?



  Vaughan.



  On 5/11/2017 7:33 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:
  > I second that! Enough of the useless speculation!
  >
  > Catch Ya! de .
  >
  >
  > On 10-May-17 03:02, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
  >> For gawd sakes, yes!!!
  >>
  >>
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  >> -Original Message- From: Loy via Talk
  >> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:26 PM
  >> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes!
  >>
  >> We have all given our opinions about where Window Eyes is dead or 
  >> not. So why don't we, including me, stop with the comments and return 
  >> this list to helping Window Eyes users.
  >>  - Original Message -  From: CJ  MAY via Talk
  >>  To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  >>  Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:40 PM
  >>  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes!
  >>
  >>
  >>  Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the 
  >> number
  >>  of Window-eyes users has fallen?
  >>
  >>  What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so 
  >> new users
  >>  will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.
  >>
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  >>
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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Why would they keep their rival around?

-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:02 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes!

Hi Dave!

There is so many rumors floating around right now, that I am damned
tempted to simply remove myself from all these lists.  The only problem
there would be that I would have no real way of knowing what is going
on! I think it's a shame that VFO is fasing out Window-Eyes if they are
actually doing this, since I seriously believe that W.E. is the far
superior screen reader.  Oh, I know there are folks out there who wil
disagree with that statement, and yes I do know that it is fairly
subjective, but since VFO will more than likely fase out Window-Eyes and
force all of us W.E. users to purchase a program which is not one of our
choice I really do believe that we should get some sort of discount.  Oh
well, I guess I can dream - can't I..!  Just my thoughts! Catch Ya Later! de

.


On 10-May-17 20:52, Dave via Talk wrote:

And the question meant by "Support" means what?

Does it mean, until Microsoft decides there will be no more support?  Or
does it mean Support will end when Office 2010 is no longer supported?

Which flavor of MS Office was current when the Free Edition of Window
Eyes was offered?  2007:  2010?  or 2013?

I'll be surprised if I see a version 10 of Window Eyes, but as long as
there isn't any "Official" announcement of the discontinuation of Window
Eyes, guess there is always a Chance.

Grumpy Dave

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Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[Georges Zeinoun via Talk]

I either did not come to your instructions yet or missed that message 
so please direct me again just in case, thank you.

Original message:


Hi:


George wants to completely silence speech. There is an undefined WE 
hotkey for this, which I directed him to (pardon the dangling participle).


Also, the way WE seems to work on my system, it intercepts keystrokes 
before the Intel display driver. There were older versions of WE that 
didn’t intercept keystrokes first, but, they fixed this a while back. 
However, there have been times when something didn’t work correctly, so 
disabling these hotkeys in the Intel graphics options can still be a 
good idea. After all, how many of us blinks need or want to flip the 
screen. Good to disconcert a few sightlings, perhaps.



Sent from Mail  for Windows 10



From: net bat via Talk 
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 1:02 PM
To: Georges Zeinoun ; Window-Eyes 
Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer



sure there is. use the w e hot keys.



this would depend on if you are useing a desktop or laptop keyboard layout.



but the first thing to check is see if you have a intel display card from the



windows control panel because w e and the intel use the same keys to flip the



screen in landscape or portrit mode.



you have to turn the hot keys off in control panel/display.



then you can use the w e hot keys



i have a desktop and the keys are control alt and the 4 pack keys up,down,left



and right keys.



with these you can turn the w e volume up or down.



rate, tone, etc. nothing will be changed unless you save your settings. so



don't worry if you get the voice settings messed up.



-Original Message-



From: Georges Zeinoun via Talk



Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:05 AM



To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com



Subject: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer



Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?



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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Jim via Talk]

Hi Dave!

There is so many rumors floating around right now, that I am damned 
tempted to simply remove myself from all these lists.  The only problem 
there would be that I would have no real way of knowing what is going 
on! I think it's a shame that VFO is fasing out Window-Eyes if they are 
actually doing this, since I seriously believe that W.E. is the far 
superior screen reader.  Oh, I know there are folks out there who wil 
disagree with that statement, and yes I do know that it is fairly 
subjective, but since VFO will more than likely fase out Window-Eyes and 
force all of us W.E. users to purchase a program which is not one of our 
choice I really do believe that we should get some sort of discount.  Oh 
well, I guess I can dream - can't I..!  Just my thoughts! Catch Ya Later! de


.


On 10-May-17 20:52, Dave via Talk wrote:

And the question meant by "Support" means what?

Does it mean, until Microsoft decides there will be no more support?  Or
does it mean Support will end when Office 2010 is no longer supported?

Which flavor of MS Office was current when the Free Edition of Window
Eyes was offered?  2007:  2010?  or 2013?

I'll be surprised if I see a version 10 of Window Eyes, but as long as
there isn't any "Official" announcement of the discontinuation of Window
Eyes, guess there is always a Chance.

Grumpy Dave

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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Dave via Talk]

And the question meant by "Support" means what?  

Does it mean, until Microsoft decides there will be no more support?  Or
does it mean Support will end when Office 2010 is no longer supported?  

Which flavor of MS Office was current when the Free Edition of Window
Eyes was offered?  2007:  2010?  or 2013?  

I'll be surprised if I see a version 10 of Window Eyes, but as long as
there isn't any "Official" announcement of the discontinuation of Window
Eyes, guess there is always a Chance.  

Grumpy Dave

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Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I'm using Windows 10 and I've got my WE coming through some wireless 
headphones plugged in with just a little USB sensor, and my regular computer 
sound, TV shows, etc comes through the HDMI cable to the HD TV.


-Original Message- 
From: Reg Webb via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

I don't think so Georges, assuming you want to be using your speakers
for something else while you're listening to your speech on headphones.
If you don't want to be able to route something through the speakers,
while you're listening to your speech through headphones, then inserting
your headphone jack will probably mute the speakers anyway.

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On Wed, 10 May 2017 11:05:20 -0400
Georges Zeinoun via Talk  wrote:


Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?

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Re: Fw: Window-Eyes!

[Loy via Talk]

I think the tweet was not from Eric, but from someone saying Eric said this. 
- Original Message -
  From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk 
  To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: Window-Eyes!


  So the Twitter post allegedly from Eric Damery of Freedom Scientific and 
  VFO is not speculation/


  If it is not an official post, can someone locate the press statement 
  from VFO denying it?



  Vaughan.



  On 5/11/2017 7:33 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:
  > I second that! Enough of the useless speculation!
  >
  > Catch Ya! de .
  >
  >
  > On 10-May-17 03:02, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
  >> For gawd sakes, yes!!!
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> -Original Message- From: Loy via Talk
  >> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:26 PM
  >> To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes!
  >>
  >> We have all given our opinions about where Window Eyes is dead or 
  >> not. So why don't we, including me, stop with the comments and return 
  >> this list to helping Window Eyes users.
  >>  - Original Message -  From: CJ  MAY via Talk
  >>  To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  >>  Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:40 PM
  >>  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes!
  >>
  >>
  >>  Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the 
  >> number
  >>  of Window-eyes users has fallen?
  >>
  >>  What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so 
  >> new users
  >>  will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>  Alison
  >>
  >>  burban
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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Jim via Talk]

Good Point! I seriously believe that all these folks that are 
supposedly  touting the end of Window-Eyes should think about that next 
time they quote someone's "blog" or some other supposedly reliable 
source. I have no idea on the exact number of Window-Eyes users but I 
strongly suspect that it is quite high.  How does it compare to the 
number of JFW users-I have absolutely no idea.  But there is still a 
very large number of Window_Eyes users that would be left to hang out 
and dry if VFO suddenly discontinued production of Window-Eyes.  Keep 
this in mind when you read the multiple posts about Window-Eyes demise.  
Have a Good 1! de


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On 09-May-17 19:40, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:

Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the number
of Window-eyes users has fallen?

What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so new users
will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.

  


Alison

burban

  

  


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Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[Chris G via Talk]

If you have a USB headset you can tell Window-eyes to put the speech 
through the USB headset.
Just make sure to set your internal card as the default card, this way 
your sounds will play on the computer and your speech will play through 
the USB headset.




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 Original Message 
From: Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 11:17 AM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

I don't think so Georges, assuming you want to be using your speakers
for something else while you're listening to your speech on headphones.
If you don't want to be able to route something through the speakers,
while you're listening to your speech through headphones, then inserting
your headphone jack will probably mute the speakers anyway.


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Re: Fw: Window-Eyes!

[Jim via Talk]

I second that! Enough of the useless speculation!

Catch Ya! de .


On 10-May-17 03:02, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

For gawd sakes, yes!!!



-Original Message- From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:26 PM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes!

We have all given our opinions about where Window Eyes is dead or not. 
So why don't we, including me, stop with the comments and return this 
list to helping Window Eyes users.

 - Original Message -  From: CJ  MAY via Talk
 To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:40 PM
 Subject: RE: Window-Eyes!


 Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the 
number

 of Window-eyes users has fallen?

 What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so 
new users

 will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.



 Alison

 burban





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RE: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

George wants to completely silence speech.  There is an undefined WE hotkey for 
this, which I directed him to (pardon the dangling participle).

Also, the way WE seems to work on my system, it intercepts keystrokes before 
the Intel display driver.  There were older versions of WE that didn’t 
intercept keystrokes first, but, they fixed this a while back.  However, there 
have been times when something didn’t work correctly, so disabling these 
hotkeys in the Intel graphics options can still be a good idea.  After all, how 
many of us blinks need or want to flip the screen.  Good to disconcert a few 
sightlings, perhaps.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 1:02 PM
To: Georges Zeinoun; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

sure there is. use the w e hot keys.
this would depend on if you are useing a desktop or laptop keyboard layout.
but the first thing to  check is see if you have a intel display card from the 
windows control panel because w e and the intel use the same keys to flip the 
screen  in landscape or portrit mode.
you have to turn the hot keys off in control panel/display.
then you can use the w e hot keys
i have a desktop and the keys are control alt and the 4 pack keys up,down,left 
and right keys.
with these you can turn the w e volume up or down.
rate, tone, etc. nothing will be changed unless you save your settings. so 
don't worry if you get the voice settings messed up.


-Original Message- 
From: Georges Zeinoun via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:05 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?

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Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[net bat via Talk]

sure there is. use the w e hot keys.
this would depend on if you are useing a desktop or laptop keyboard layout.
but the first thing to  check is see if you have a intel display card from the 
windows control panel because w e and the intel use the same keys to flip the 
screen  in landscape or portrit mode.

you have to turn the hot keys off in control panel/display.
then you can use the w e hot keys
i have a desktop and the keys are control alt and the 4 pack keys up,down,left 
and right keys.

with these you can turn the w e volume up or down.
rate, tone, etc. nothing will be changed unless you save your settings. so 
don't worry if you get the voice settings messed up.



-Original Message- 
From: Georges Zeinoun via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:05 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?

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RE: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

There is, indeed, a way to do what you ask, if I understand correctly.

There is an undefined hotkey called “Toggle All Voices” which you can define.  
Once you define this key, it will disable speech with one press and re-enable 
speech with another press.

To set this up, first, open the Window-Eyes control panel by pressing 
Control-Backslash.

Then, press alt-h for the help menu and make sure the “show advanced options” 
item is checked.  If it isn’t select it and it will be checked.  Next, in the 
tree view in the window-eyes control panel, use your up or down arrow and 
navigate to the Hotkeys item.  If it is closed (it usually is if you never used 
it), press right-arrow to open it.  Press down arrow until you hear 
Miscellaneous. Then, press Tab.  This will put you in a list of the hotkeys and 
what they do.  You can then type part of the key command you are looking for, 
or just arrow down to it. The hotkey is called “Toggle All Voices (global)”.  
There are 2 keys to toggle the synthesizer. One works in the program you are 
using, and the other toggles speech for everything.  When you find the “Toggle 
All Voices (global)” hotkey, tab over to the “Capture Key” button and press 
space on it.  You can then type a key combination you want to use to mute the 
synthesizer.  Once you type the key combination you want to use, tab over to 
the Save Settings button and press space on it.

Hope this helps.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Georges Zeinoun via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 11:29 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

Now you missunderstood me since I asked earlier about redirecting 
speech output, I really want to toggle mute the synthesizer, thanks.
Original message:
> I don't think so Georges, assuming you want to be using your speakers
> for something else while you're listening to your speech on headphones.
> If you don't want to be able to route something through the speakers,
> while you're listening to your speech through headphones, then inserting
> your headphone jack will probably mute the speakers anyway.

> --
> Reg
> 

> On Wed, 10 May 2017 11:05:20 -0400
> Georges Zeinoun via Talk  wrote:

>> Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?

>> -- Georges Zeinoun
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Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[Reg Webb via Talk]

OK sorry Georges.
I have my speech and other audio going into separate channels on a
mixer, so I can just mute whichever channel I want.
When I'm broadcasting, I use my trusty old Appolo II, so I don't
have to broadcast my screen reader output to the world.

-- 
Reg


On Wed, 10 May 2017 11:29:11 -0400
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> Now you missunderstood me since I asked earlier about redirecting speech 
> output, I really want to toggle mute the synthesizer, thanks.
> Original message:
> > I don't think so Georges, assuming you want to be using your speakers
> > for something else while you're listening to your speech on headphones.
> > If you don't want to be able to route something through the speakers,
> > while you're listening to your speech through headphones, then inserting
> > your headphone jack will probably mute the speakers anyway.
> 
> > --
> > Reg
> > 
> 
> > On Wed, 10 May 2017 11:05:20 -0400
> > Georges Zeinoun via Talk  wrote:
> 
> >> Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?
> 
> >> -- Georges Zeinoun
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Windows 10 mail app question

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi listers:

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before.

In Windows 10 Maiol, the first time I bring up a message, WE automatically 
reads it fine.

The second (and usually subsequent) time I bring up a message, it is not read 
automatically.  In fact, I get what appears to be a blank window.  That is, 
until I press control-end, then control-home.  Suddenly, the message is there.

Anyone experienced this?

Thanks!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[Georges Zeinoun via Talk]

Now you missunderstood me since I asked earlier about redirecting 
speech output, I really want to toggle mute the synthesizer, thanks.

Original message:

I don't think so Georges, assuming you want to be using your speakers
for something else while you're listening to your speech on headphones.
If you don't want to be able to route something through the speakers,
while you're listening to your speech through headphones, then inserting
your headphone jack will probably mute the speakers anyway.



--
Reg




On Wed, 10 May 2017 11:05:20 -0400
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Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?



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RE: Still using WE with Insider program

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

I, too, didn’t have any major worries.

One thing that has changed is that, when you’re in settings (accessed via 
Windows i), there is a new Cortana settings page after the Update and Security 
tab.

Also, and this is no big deal, but, if you accidentally press 
Control-Windows-M, Magnifier settings will come up.  It doesn’t seem to turn it 
on, just brings up the settings dialog.  However, this is probably not going to 
be an issue for WE users, since that key combination toggles mute of the master 
volume.  Just thought I’d mention it.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rod Hutton
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:07 AM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Still using WE with Insider program

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for the good news.  I'd be surprised if it didn't, though. (smile)

Keep on rockin',

rod

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On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:35 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Still using WE with Insider program

Hi Folks:

WE still rocks.  Using it on Windows Insider Preview build 16188 with no major 
issues.

Just thought you all would like to know.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[Reg Webb via Talk]

I don't think so Georges, assuming you want to be using your speakers
for something else while you're listening to your speech on headphones.
If you don't want to be able to route something through the speakers,
while you're listening to your speech through headphones, then inserting
your headphone jack will probably mute the speakers anyway.

-- 
Reg


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> Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?
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Mute/Unmute Synthesizer

[Georges Zeinoun via Talk]

Is there a way to do it temporarily and how?

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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Russ,

Now, there's a bit of something we can sink our collective teeth into.
At least we have a time-line we can work with.

Thanks,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:07 AM
To: Chris Skarstad ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

I did see the following on another list:

From:  Cristóbal 
I saw the WE thing over the weekend on a quick posting at some technology 
expo in Germany. If I recall and as others have mentioned it's tied into 
stand alone Office no longer being
supported by MS which if I remember, is going to end in 2020. Bummer for 
WindowEyes folks who have invested the time to learn the application and 
money, but you know it was going to happen as soon as VFO acquired it. Doom 
and gloom aside, You're still talking nearly three years out which for 
technology is a lifetime. SO it's not an immediate concern I guess.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 3:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
> presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
> lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
> screen-reader wars.
>
> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time 
> so
> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.
>
> Peter Duran
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Can one be created?
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
> To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
> To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say 
> that
> JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
>
> It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
> instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
> continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?
>
> There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
> VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.
>
> I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
> believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will 
> cover
>
> everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
> any health care.
>
> Peter Duran
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Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Window Eyes may bnot be dead, just no future development!

-Original Message- 
From: Ivan Cribb via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

Dear Sky,
Talk about W E being dead is just empty chatter for the time being.
Ivan

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+icribb=iinet.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 2:02 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

Hi Chris.  Its Sky here.  I will tell you guys that, even before the office
version of Window-Eyes came out, their were even lies told by venders about
it.  For example, some of the venders would say Window-Eyes was going bust,
or that it isn't good, etc, etc, etc, and those factors has never helped
Window-Eyes flourish at all.Even the blind institutions, like CNIB, etc,
would tell lies about Window-Eyes too.   I remember a list member telling me
he had a blazing argument on the talkx email list with a vender and the
vender told him their was no favouritism regarding JAWS and other screen
readers. -Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 8:35 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may
be legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before
the date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to
come on here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell
anyone.  They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to
wait and see what that announcement says, how they plan to take their
next action and what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my
system, which it clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an
official announcement that it is so in my book, that means it's still
alive even if it might be in the short term.  We shall wait and see. The
announcement might not even happen for another year. None of us knows.
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make
an  announcement.

Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.






On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:

Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO
would step in and say it ain't so?

On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.

On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the
folks at
GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?

Peter Duran


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

   If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and
there
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is
irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with
one a
lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve
over time

so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]



On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already
say

that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator 

RE: Still using WE with Insider program

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for the good news.  I'd be surprised if it didn't, though. (smile)

Keep on rockin',

rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:35 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Still using WE with Insider program

Hi Folks:

WE still rocks.  Using it on Windows Insider Preview build 16188 with no major 
issues.

Just thought you all would like to know.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The big test will be when the next major update to windows 10 is released 
later this year?


-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:47 PM
To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

It may be dying, Peter, but it isn't ctually dead yet. It works absolutely
fine for me on Windows 10 and I will be sticking with it until I reach a
time when Window-eyes can no longer support the work I'm doing.

So, let's just say it is terminally ill, rather than dead!



Alison



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Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I did see the following on another list:

From:  Cristóbal 
I saw the WE thing over the weekend on a quick posting at some technology 
expo in Germany. If I recall and as others have mentioned it's tied into 
stand alone Office no longer being
supported by MS which if I remember, is going to end in 2020. Bummer for 
WindowEyes folks who have invested the time to learn the application and 
money, but you know it was going to happen as soon as VFO acquired it. Doom 
and gloom aside, You're still talking nearly three years out which for 
technology is a lifetime. SO it's not an immediate concern I guess.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 3:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

If you're trying to get people to stop using
Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and there
has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
people will still use it no matter what you say.



On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time 
so

we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say 
that

JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will 
cover


everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: Window-Eyes!

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Yes, it is.  Everyone is interpreting the phrase "MS Office support" as 
referring to the offer available at:

http://windoweyesforoffice.com

Prove it.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:45 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes!

Do you think the following is speculation?

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth

https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8


https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354


that is all.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Window-Eyes!

You all know that there are a very large number of Window-Eyes users.
and all of this "speculation" no matter the source is still just
"speculation".  I personally know several window-Eyes users who are not
on this list that think all of this talk is nothing but a bunch of
rubbish! Okay, there might be some truth to some of it, but I am quite
certain that the very large number of Window-Eyes users are more than
likely not goig to be hung out to dry with no where to turn.  So, all of
these sources no matter how "reliable they might or might not  be" have
said absolutley nothing abut the thouhsands and thousands of Window-Eyes
users".

So, until I actually here that W.E. is no longer going to be supported
or developped I will continue to question these posts.
Thanks for your time & Have A Great Day! de

  .

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Re: Window-Eyes!

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Not only speculation, but hearsay as well.

On 5/10/2017 6:44 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Do you think the following is speculation?

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth

https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8


https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354


that is all.


-Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Window-Eyes!

You all know that there are a very large number of Window-Eyes users.
and all of this "speculation" no matter the source is still just
"speculation".  I personally know several window-Eyes users who are not
on this list that think all of this talk is nothing but a bunch of
rubbish! Okay, there might be some truth to some of it, but I am quite
certain that the very large number of Window-Eyes users are more than
likely not goig to be hung out to dry with no where to turn.  So, all of
these sources no matter how "reliable they might or might not  be" have
said absolutley nothing abut the thouhsands and thousands of Window-Eyes
users".

So, until I actually here that W.E. is no longer going to be supported
or developped I will continue to question these posts.
Thanks for your time & Have A Great Day! de

  .

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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

I don't think that speculation at all.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 10, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you think the following is speculation?
> 
> @mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
> support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
> 
> https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8
> 
> 
> https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354
> 
> 
> that is all.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:14 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Window-Eyes!
> 
> You all know that there are a very large number of Window-Eyes users.
> and all of this "speculation" no matter the source is still just
> "speculation".  I personally know several window-Eyes users who are not
> on this list that think all of this talk is nothing but a bunch of
> rubbish! Okay, there might be some truth to some of it, but I am quite
> certain that the very large number of Window-Eyes users are more than
> likely not goig to be hung out to dry with no where to turn.  So, all of
> these sources no matter how "reliable they might or might not  be" have
> said absolutley nothing abut the thouhsands and thousands of Window-Eyes
> users".
> 
> So, until I actually here that W.E. is no longer going to be supported
> or developped I will continue to question these posts.
> Thanks for your time & Have A Great Day! de
> 
> .
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Re: Window-Eyes!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Do you think the following is speculation?

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth

https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8


https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354


that is all.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Window-Eyes!

You all know that there are a very large number of Window-Eyes users.
and all of this "speculation" no matter the source is still just
"speculation".  I personally know several window-Eyes users who are not
on this list that think all of this talk is nothing but a bunch of
rubbish! Okay, there might be some truth to some of it, but I am quite
certain that the very large number of Window-Eyes users are more than
likely not goig to be hung out to dry with no where to turn.  So, all of
these sources no matter how "reliable they might or might not  be" have
said absolutley nothing abut the thouhsands and thousands of Window-Eyes
users".

So, until I actually here that W.E. is no longer going to be supported
or developped I will continue to question these posts.
Thanks for your time & Have A Great Day! de

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Still using WE with Insider program

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Folks:

WE still rocks.  Using it on Windows Insider Preview build 16188 with no major 
issues.

Just thought you all would like to know.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: Choosing From Where Speech Comes

[Reg Webb via Talk]

Georges

You'll need to be using a different sound device for your speech.  Then
you can direct it to that device, with headphones coming out of it, via
the synthesizer setting dialogue.  Select the speech synth, and tab to
the combo box which lists the available sound devices.

-- 
Reg


On Wed, 10 May 2017 07:08:08 -0400
Georges Zeinoun via Talk  wrote:

> Is there a way in Window-Eyes to redirect speech to come through the 
> headphone jack instead from the pc-speaker like in NVDA and JAWS? If yes how 
> to do it?
> 
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Choosing From Where Speech Comes

[Georges Zeinoun via Talk]

Is there a way in Window-Eyes to redirect speech to come through the 
headphone jack instead from the pc-speaker like in NVDA and JAWS? If 
yes how to do it?


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Fw: Window-Eyes!

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

For gawd sakes, yes!!!



-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:26 PM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes!

We have all given our opinions about where Window Eyes is dead or not. So 
why don't we, including me, stop with the comments and return this list to 
helping Window Eyes users.
 - Original Message - 
 From: CJ  MAY via Talk

 To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:40 PM
 Subject: RE: Window-Eyes!


 Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the number
 of Window-eyes users has fallen?

 What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so new 
users

 will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.



 Alison

 burban





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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree/.  And even if they say as an example only in one year we will no
longer support WE I'm sure they will give a discount on Jaws maybe those
that knock Jaws should at least try it with an open mind.  If you used it
years ago programs improve.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 11:35 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may be
legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before the
date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to come on
here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell anyone.
They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to wait and see
what that announcement says, how they plan to take their next action and
what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my system, which it
clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an official announcement that
it is so in my book, that means it's still alive even if it might be in the
short term.  We shall wait and see. The announcement might not even happen
for another year. None of us knows.  
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make an
announcement.

Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.






On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
> would step in and say it ain't so?
>
> On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
>> discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
>> until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.
>>
>> On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
>>> folks at
>>> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
>>>
>>> Peter Duran
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
>>>
>>>If you're trying to get people to stop using
>>> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
>>> there
>>> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
>>> people will still use it no matter what you say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
 Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
 irrational to
 presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
 one a
 lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
 screen-reader wars.

 Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
 over time
>>> so
 we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

 Peter Duran

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On
 Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
 To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 Can one be created?

 Vaughan.



 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]

 On
 Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
 To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

 -Original Message-
 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
 To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  
 say
>>> that
 JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
 Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


 It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a 
 fanticy
 instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
 continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

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