RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Hi Alison, I don't think that will happen. Besides, there is also Supernova and System Access. I am already talking to Dolphin to see if we can't improve the screen reader side of Supernova. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY via Talk Sent: 09 May 2017 17:15 To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I anticipate that eventually NVDA and other screenreader competitors will be bought out to eliminate competition and eventually there will just be Jaws. But until that day, I will continue to use and enjoy Window-eyes. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
The big test will be when the next major update to windows 10 is released later this year? -Original Message- From: CJ &AA MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:47 PM To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It may be dying, Peter, but it isn't ctually dead yet. It works absolutely fine for me on Windows 10 and I will be sticking with it until I reach a time when Window-eyes can no longer support the work I'm doing. So, let's just say it is terminally ill, rather than dead! Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Yeah, I too wish NVDA could copy the Window Eyes keyboard commands. I find the Insert Up Arrow to be a bit Funky when reading the line the cursor is found. I also wish NVDA had the User Window Feature, something I use all the time. Grumpy Dave -- Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
It may be dying, Peter, but it isn't ctually dead yet. It works absolutely fine for me on Windows 10 and I will be sticking with it until I reach a time when Window-eyes can no longer support the work I'm doing. So, let's just say it is terminally ill, rather than dead! Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a lot cheeper than the other. Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the screen-reader wars. Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time so we can keep up with Windows 10 advances. Peter Duran -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Can one be created? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m. To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout? -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I didn't say that window-eyes would survive. And didn't I already say that JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gm ail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd00 1%40msd.govt.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. --- ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/peterduran2015 %40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archiv
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Can one be created? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m. To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout? -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I didn't say that window-eyes would survive. And didn't I already say that JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. --- ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Yay for some leadership. Best. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:42 a.m. To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Dave Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Just for reference sake. I did call vfo and ask about the we version of fusion. I asked straight up if it was a dead product and she said yes. She said the jfw version of fusion will be out within the next 2 months and will be sold as fusion version 11. If you have a esp (ai2's version of a sma) it will be automatically delivered as major upgrade. For those who don't have sma, fusion home version is $200. Neospeech voices will not be in it. Only eloquence and vocalizer. I am not buying. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 9, 2017 8:23 AM, "Dave via Talk" wrote: > Having NVDA be purchased by VFO would be quite telling, wouldn't it. > > NVDA isn't yet in the same class of screen Reader as JAWS, so the VFO > folks may not bother with NVDA, thinking it isn't much of a threat, > and are only used by those who couldn't ever afford JAWS. > > Let's not forget that NVDA also suffers from the same Cash Flow problems > GW Micro did.NVDA survives because they receive grant money, and > other support from other sources of money. And then there is the > Donations that come in from actual users of NVDA, which I have a > suspicion, is not all that much. > > > Grumpy Dave > > > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/ private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. --- ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Come on now Sis Reeva! AI Squared and GW Micro PAID EMPLOYEES are still here on list; we are both too blind to SEE them! They're on lunch break, shall be back shortly. Window-Eyes isn't dead, it's convalescing at a hospice near us! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
I anticipate that eventually NVDA and other screenreader competitors will be bought out to eliminate competition and eventually there will just be Jaws. But until that day, I will continue to use and enjoy Window-eyes. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
It's open source, too. I don't think sauce has anything to do with this. That could get rather messy. On 5/9/2017 8:11 AM, john pitts via Talk wrote: no i very much doubt that, as NVDA is open sauce, that means that all the people who developed it do it voluntary, and it's something to be proud of. -Original Message- From: CJ &AA MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main competitor left in the field. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rollup%40ntlworld.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Yes, the following posted on this list a couple days bac says it all: @mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8 https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354 that is all. -Original Message- From: Darren Harris via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 2:56 AM To: CJ &AA MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued? Sent from my iPhone On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ &AA MAY via Talk wrote: I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main competitor left in the field. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harris%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
After reading the following post from this list a couple of days back, this tells me the end of Window Eyes: @mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8 https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354 that is all. -Original Message- From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 12:14 PM To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Just for reference sake. I did call vfo and ask about the we version of fusion. I asked straight up if it was a dead product and she said yes. She said the jfw version of fusion will be out within the next 2 months and will be sold as fusion version 11. If you have a esp (ai2's version of a sma) it will be automatically delivered as major upgrade. For those who don't have sma, fusion home version is $200. Neospeech voices will not be in it. Only eloquence and vocalizer. I am not buying. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 9, 2017 8:23 AM, "Dave via Talk" wrote: > Having NVDA be purchased by VFO would be quite telling, wouldn't it. > > NVDA isn't yet in the same class of screen Reader as JAWS, so the VFO > folks may not bother with NVDA, thinking it isn't much of a threat, and > are only used by those who couldn't ever afford JAWS. > > Let's not forget that NVDA also suffers from the same Cash Flow problems > GW Micro did.NVDA survives because they receive grant money, and > other support from other sources of money. And then there is the > Donations that come in from actual users of NVDA, which I have a > suspicion, is not all that much. > > > Grumpy Dave > > > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout? -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I didn't say that window-eyes would survive. And didn't I already say that JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Having NVDA be purchased by VFO would be quite telling, wouldn't it. NVDA isn't yet in the same class of screen Reader as JAWS, so the VFO folks may not bother with NVDA, thinking it isn't much of a threat, and are only used by those who couldn't ever afford JAWS. Let's not forget that NVDA also suffers from the same Cash Flow problems GW Micro did.NVDA survives because they receive grant money, and other support from other sources of money. And then there is the Donations that come in from actual users of NVDA, which I have a suspicion, is not all that much. Grumpy Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Oh, yeah, there there's actual paid gw employees on list too. Wait, there's not anymore? Where they all go? We has a bright future ahead of it, huh? "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 9, 2017 7:22 AM, "Rod Hutton via Talk" wrote: > Hi Darren, > > Nothing's been announced. > This used to be a tech support list, and indeed, it still serves as one > for those who have technical questions. > All other talk is just that, talk, talk, and more talk. > So, if you have technical questions, please submit them, and those > generous list members who actually have knowledge of the way Window-Eyes > works will anser your questions. > > All the best, > > Rod Hutton > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail.com@lists. > window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:57 AM > To: CJ &AA MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List < > talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ &AA MAY via Talk > wrote: > > > > I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main > > competitor left in the field. > > > > Alison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harris%40btinternet.com. > > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/ > private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
No, it has not been confirmed. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris via Talk To: CJ &AA MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:56 AM Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued? Sent from my iPhone > On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ &AA MAY via Talk wrote: > > I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main > competitor left in the field. > > Alison > > > > > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harris%40btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Hi Darren, Nothing's been announced. This used to be a tech support list, and indeed, it still serves as one for those who have technical questions. All other talk is just that, talk, talk, and more talk. So, if you have technical questions, please submit them, and those generous list members who actually have knowledge of the way Window-Eyes works will anser your questions. All the best, Rod Hutton -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:57 AM To: CJ &AA MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued? Sent from my iPhone > On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ &AA MAY via Talk > wrote: > > I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main > competitor left in the field. > > Alison > > > > > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harris%40btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Hi John, Actually, all of the members of the gang of five, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook and Amazon regularly buy technologies from start-ups, whether or not the software is currently free, and so NVDA might sell if they get the right offer. Why not? Fingers crossed, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of john pitts via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 8:12 AM To: CJ &AA MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! no i very much doubt that, as NVDA is open sauce, that means that all the people who developed it do it voluntary, and it's something to be proud of. -Original Message- From: CJ &AA MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main competitor left in the field. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rollup%40ntlworld.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
no i very much doubt that, as NVDA is open sauce, that means that all the people who developed it do it voluntary, and it's something to be proud of. -Original Message- From: CJ &AA MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main competitor left in the field. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rollup%40ntlworld.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
No, but you'd think so by the subject headings and the negative talk on this list! Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
These companies don't have to agree to the sales or mergers they choose to do so. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:55 AM To: 'Vaughan Dodd'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main competitor left in the field. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued? Sent from my iPhone > On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ &AA MAY via Talk > wrote: > > I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main > competitor left in the field. > > Alison > > > > > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/darren_g_harris%40btinternet.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main competitor left in the field. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Nick, in my case, I am working extra hard to DITCH FOR GOOD Windows screen readers! I'm going to start running with touchscreen phones and tabletsw! No, I won't ever spend an extra cent on the purchase of Jaws! As for NVDA, I will consider donating my widower's mite to its developers for purposes of helping to encourage continuous development so that blind folks in third countries can have access to a screen reader that won't kill every mocking bird in their cages. If I were to switch to NVDA right now, I will need someone to do some heavyweight scripting of the apps I use on a daily basis in my business! Secondarily, I am NOT prepared to pay $125/$150 an hour to any person to help script these apps for Jaws! With my Shiny Android, I can get developers to LABEL their apps following guidelines prescribed by Google. That's it and I can get back to brass tacks in a relatively short period of time. Kicking Windows and Windows screen readers like cans down the road is something I long for and I am inching ever so close with every minute second. Will I miss Window-Eyes? You bet I will! It has helped me to get my work done for this long; the Tech support has been phenomenon. I will miss all of that. But, on My Shiny Android platform, I can get real dedication and, just as I did with GW Micro, I can chat directly with app developers and get real results! I hope that my ongoing transition will be close to 95% completion by at least September 2017. That's the goal I have set anyway, and I'll work doubly hard at achieving it. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
No NVDA is not better then Jaws. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 11:33 PM To: Bryan Peterson; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Chris Skarstad Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Can you honestly say NVDA is better than Jaws? While I don't believe anyone who says yes, I am also genuinely asking, because I have never used either, but I am also convinced that those who would prefer NVDA over Jaws (financial issues notwithstanding) are cutting off their noses to spite their faces (silly cliche alert). But why does it have to be NEDA vs Jaws? Does your copy of Window-eyes suddenly not work? Why are some of you here so anxious to get rid of your Window-eyes and replace it with another screen reader? I went for years, using WE without this list, and hardly leaning on customer service. My point is, even if WE is discontinued, it does not mean you cannot get a few years of use. Maybe in two or three years, NVDA or Narrator will significantly improve, or Jaws will go down in price (perish the thought). On 5/8/2017 6:39 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote: > I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite > screen reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows > 10 so I may as well get used to using it for other things. I > absolutely despise JAWS and so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA. > > -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way > about Window-eyes. > > Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the > underdog, whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular > doesn't always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what > happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS > will win. I hope I am wrong. > > > > > On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >> Yes, I know this. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan >> Dodd >> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. >> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. >> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most >> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen >> so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time >> is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the >> reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new >> windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. >> >> >> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never >> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" >> Walls Of Jericho >> >> Reeva >> >> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" >> >> wrote: >> >> Yes: but have they developed Magic? >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. >> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. >> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. >>- Original Message - >>From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk >>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM >>Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> >>Hi Peter, >> >>Why not two screen readers from VFO. >> >>Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of >> products >>in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than >> the other >>brand VFO sells. >> >>Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no >> issues in >>selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next >> two major >>up
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Of course, tat bill that you mentioned, will not survive the senate, and while they won't admit it, Republican legislators are afraid to repeal "Obama Care. Now, back to our regularly scheduled list serve. On 5/8/2017 1:57 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote: > It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy > instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to > continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? > > There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and > VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. > > I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also > believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover > everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without > any health care. > > Peter Duran > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Can you honestly say NVDA is better than Jaws? While I don't believe anyone who says yes, I am also genuinely asking, because I have never used either, but I am also convinced that those who would prefer NVDA over Jaws (financial issues notwithstanding) are cutting off their noses to spite their faces (silly cliche alert). But why does it have to be NEDA vs Jaws? Does your copy of Window-eyes suddenly not work? Why are some of you here so anxious to get rid of your Window-eyes and replace it with another screen reader? I went for years, using WE without this list, and hardly leaning on customer service. My point is, even if WE is discontinued, it does not mean you cannot get a few years of use. Maybe in two or three years, NVDA or Narrator will significantly improve, or Jaws will go down in price (perish the thought). On 5/8/2017 6:39 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote: > I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite > screen reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows > 10 so I may as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely > despise JAWS and so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA. > > -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way > about Window-eyes. > > Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, > whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't > always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what > happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS > will win. I hope I am wrong. > > > > > On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >> Yes, I know this. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf >> Of Reeva Webb via Talk >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan >> Dodd >> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. >> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. >> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most >> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so >> many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up >> y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is >> that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff >> comes out, we will become unusable. >> >> >> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never >> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls >> Of Jericho >> >> Reeva >> >> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" >> >> wrote: >> >> Yes: but have they developed Magic? >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. >> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. >> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. >>- Original Message - >>From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk >>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM >>Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> >>Hi Peter, >> >>Why not two screen readers from VFO. >> >>Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of >> products >>in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than >> the other >>brand VFO sells. >> >>Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no >> issues in >>selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next >> two major >>upgrades! >> >>Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do >> we want to >>be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have >> MAC and >>appple products having only one choice, Voice over! >> >>NVDA is coming
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Can you honestly say NVDA is better than Jaws? While I don't believe anyone who says yes, I am also genuinely asking, because I have never used either, but I am also convinced that those who would prefer NVDA over Jaws (financial issues notwithstanding) are cutting off their noses to spite their faces (silly cliche alert). But why does it have to be NEDA vs Jaws? Does your copy of Window-eyes suddenly not work? Why are some of you here so anxious to get rid of your Window-eyes and replace it with another screen reader? I went for years, using WE without this list, and hardly leaning on customer service. My point is, even if WE is discontinued, it does not mean you cannot get a few years of use. Maybe in two or three years, NVDA or Narrator will significantly improve, or Jaws will go down in price (perish the thought). On 5/8/2017 6:39 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote: > I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite > screen reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows > 10 so I may as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely > despise JAWS and so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA. > > -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way > about Window-eyes. > > Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, > whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't > always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what > happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS > will win. I hope I am wrong. > > > > > On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >> Yes, I know this. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf >> Of Reeva Webb via Talk >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan >> Dodd >> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. >> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. >> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most >> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so >> many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up >> y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is >> that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff >> comes out, we will become unusable. >> >> >> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never >> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls >> Of Jericho >> >> Reeva >> >> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" >> >> wrote: >> >> Yes: but have they developed Magic? >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. >> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. >> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. >>- Original Message - >>From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk >>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM >>Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> >>Hi Peter, >> >>Why not two screen readers from VFO. >> >>Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of >> products >>in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than >> the other >>brand VFO sells. >> >>Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no >> issues in >>selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next >> two major >>upgrades! >> >>Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do >> we want to >>be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have >> MAC and >>appple products having only one choice, Voice over! >> >>NVDA is coming
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
I'll join you with this. Best. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 3:24 p.m. To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Bryan Peterson Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! My prediction is, that all the anti-Jaws folks will eventually realize that the honeymoon with NVDA will be over, and they will end up purchasing Jaws despite their vitriol. On 5/8/2017 6:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > Why do you not like NVDA? > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Bryan Peterson via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:40 PM > To: Chris Skarstad ; > talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen > reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may > as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and > so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about > Window-eyes. > > Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, > whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't always > mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what > happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS > will win. I hope I am wrong. > > > > > On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >> Yes, I know this. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn....@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan >> Dodd >> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. >> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. >> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most >> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen >> so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time >> is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the >> reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new >> windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. >> >> >> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never >> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" >> Walls Of Jericho >> >> Reeva >> >> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" >> >> wrote: >> >> Yes: but have they developed Magic? >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. >> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. >> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. >> - Original Message - >> From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk >> To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM >> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> Why not two screen readers from VFO. >> >> Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand >> of products >> in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than >> the other >> brand VFO sells. >> >> Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no >> issues in >> selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next >> two major >> upgrades! >> >> Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do >> we want to >> be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who >> have MAC and >> appple products having only one choice, Vo
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
My prediction is, that all the anti-Jaws folks will eventually realize that the honeymoon with NVDA will be over, and they will end up purchasing Jaws despite their vitriol. On 5/8/2017 6:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > Why do you not like NVDA? > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:40 PM > To: Chris Skarstad ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen > reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may > as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and > so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA. > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about > Window-eyes. > > Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, > whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't always > mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what > happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS > will win. I hope I am wrong. > > > > > On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >> Yes, I know this. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf >> Of Reeva Webb via Talk >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan >> Dodd >> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. >> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. >> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most >> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so >> many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up >> y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is >> that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff >> comes out, we will become unusable. >> >> >> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never >> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls >> Of Jericho >> >> Reeva >> >> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" >> >> wrote: >> >> Yes: but have they developed Magic? >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. >> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. >> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. >> - Original Message - >> From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk >> To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM >> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> Why not two screen readers from VFO. >> >> Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of >> products >> in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than >> the other >> brand VFO sells. >> >> Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no >> issues in >> selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next >> two major >> upgrades! >> >> Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do >> we want to >> be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have >> MAC and >> appple products having only one choice, Voice over! >> >> NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to >> Window-eyes. >> >> I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. >> YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 >> using XP pro, >> Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my &g
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Oh I never said I didn't like it. It's just not my favorite. Things just don't seem as simple to do as they have been with WE. I also can't seem to get Eloquence to work with it properly. It's not my favorite voice in terms of quality but its response time is still just about the quickest I've experienced. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:51 PM To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Why do you not like NVDA? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:40 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about Window-eyes. Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS will win. I hope I am wrong. On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Yes, I know this. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan Dodd Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" wrote: Yes: but have they developed Magic? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. - Original Message - From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refun
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Personally: not having been a great fan of JAWS for years, but feeling that Window-eyes could no longer meet my requirements, I've been happy to review my thinking about JAWS. Since running it exclusively for just over a month, I have concluded that aspects of it make JAWS to be a more powerful screen reader than Window-eyes. Braille support is better. Web navigation across three browsers is better. And Edge support is coming. At work, where my Window-eyes install was always flaky - JFW has been much more stable. I can go a whole day without a system crash - not true with Window-Eyes. So: in fairness - I've had a problem with authorisation. That was caused by one machine failing, and purchasing a new pc and so I lost one authorisation. Fixed quickly by Customer Support. Paradoxically: the documentation is more extensive, but because there are so many help access options, I am sometimes confused about how to chose the help I need. I want a manual that I can just chuck on to a braille device and read it as I please. Not found it yet, but could be user ignorance. Clearly: People have to make decisions about what is in their best interests. But it just seems unwise to use sentiment as the reason why you can't change your mind. Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 10:40 a.m. To: Chris Skarstad; talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about Window-eyes. Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS will win. I hope I am wrong. On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > Yes, I know this. > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan > Dodd > Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. > Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. > You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most > likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so > many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up > y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is > that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff > comes out, we will become unusable. > > > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never > promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls > Of Jericho > > Reeva > > On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" > > wrote: > > Yes: but have they developed Magic? > > Vaughan. > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. > window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. > To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. >- Original Message - >From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk >To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM >Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > >Hi Peter, > >Why not two screen readers from VFO. > >Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of > products >in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than > the other >brand VFO sells. > >Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no > issues in >selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next > two major >upgrades! > >
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Why do you not like NVDA? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:40 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about Window-eyes. Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS will win. I hope I am wrong. On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > Yes, I know this. > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan > Dodd > Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. > Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. > You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most > likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so > many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up > y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is > that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff > comes out, we will become unusable. > > > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never > promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls > Of Jericho > > Reeva > > On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" > > wrote: > > Yes: but have they developed Magic? > > Vaughan. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. > window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. > To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. >- Original Message - >From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk >To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM >Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > >Hi Peter, > >Why not two screen readers from VFO. > >Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of > products >in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than > the other >brand VFO sells. > >Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no > issues in >selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next > two major >upgrades! > >Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do > we want to >be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have > MAC and >appple products having only one choice, Voice over! > >NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to > Window-eyes. > >I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. >YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 > using XP pro, >Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my > browser, >Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and > up files, >and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with > little or no >issues! > >I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest > Window-eyes >9.54 with little issues. > >I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no > Window-eyes and >have NVDA as a backup screen reader. > >Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of >Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and > keep it >alive, Like HumanWare. > >So I wil expect a refund from VFO if
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Well that's the big question, isn't it? I would say yes because the latest update didn't come out very long ago, but Window-eyes updates weren't as frequent as JAWS ones are these days. Whatever will happen probably won't be for a good while yet, so just based on an educated guess i would say that we might see one more update, with some kind of announcement that it's the final version. No screenreader company sighted or blind simply stops developing software products without some major announcement of some kind. So if it's true, and it is dead, we'll know before too long. On 5/8/2017 6:39 PM, via Talk wrote: So is it true that window-eyes is no longer being developed? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 6:31 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about Window-eyes. Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS will win. I hope I am wrong. On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Yes, I know this. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan Dodd Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" wrote: Yes: but have they developed Magic? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. - Original Message - From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled R
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about Window-eyes. Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS will win. I hope I am wrong. On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Yes, I know this. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan Dodd Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" wrote: Yes: but have they developed Magic? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. - Original Message - From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window- eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amaz
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
So is it true that window-eyes is no longer being developed? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 6:31 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about Window-eyes. Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS will win. I hope I am wrong. On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > Yes, I know this. > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan Dodd > > Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. Vfo > selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not > gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will > get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury > they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc > turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. > As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. > > > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night > has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho > > Reeva > > On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" > wrote: > > Yes: but have they developed Magic? > > Vaughan. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. > window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. > To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. >- Original Message - >From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk >To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM >Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! > > >Hi Peter, > >Why not two screen readers from VFO. > >Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products >in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other >brand VFO sells. > >Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in >selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major >upgrades! > >Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want > to >be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and >appple products having only one choice, Voice over! > >NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. > >I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. >YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP > pro, >Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, >Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, >and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no >issues! > >I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest > Window-eyes >9.54 with little issues. > >I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and >have NVDA as a backup screen reader. > >Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of >Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it >alive, Like HumanWare. > >So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any >major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software >instead. > >Regards, >Roger Behm > > > > >Adaptive Information Systems Inc. >We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled > >Roger A. Behm, President >1611 Clover Lane >Janesville WI 53545-1388 >Fax: 608-758-7898 >Voice: 608-758-0933 >Email: aist...@ameritech.net >Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org > > >-Original Message- >Fr
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about Window-eyes. Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, whereas JAWS is the more popular option. The most popular doesn't always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what happens. So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS will win. I hope I am wrong. On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Yes, I know this. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan Dodd Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" wrote: Yes: but have they developed Magic? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. - Original Message - From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window- eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Agreed. I hate to do it, but it's heading that way. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:27 PM To: Darrell Bowles via Talk Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! That is why I plan to uninstall the window-eyes for office offer since it won’t be improved much longer. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 6:20 PM To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Yes, I know this. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan Dodd Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" wrote: Yes: but have they developed Magic? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. - Original Message - From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window- eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
That is why I plan to uninstall the window-eyes for office offer since it won’t be improved much longer. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 6:20 PM To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Yes, I know this. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan Dodd Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" wrote: Yes: but have they developed Magic? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. - Original Message - From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window- eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent tho
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Yes, I know this. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Vaughan Dodd Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" wrote: Yes: but have they developed Magic? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. - Original Message - From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window- eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes. com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke. Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable. "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho Reeva On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" wrote: Yes: but have they developed Magic? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists. window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. - Original Message - From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window- eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes. com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Yes: but have they developed Magic? Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m. To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. - Original Message - From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ---
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
It would be awesome to have Humanware take Window-Eyes over. In fact, VFO might as well hand over Window-Eyes to Humanware. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:14 PM To: 'Peter Duran'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic. - Original Message - From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
What saddens me about all this, is that my answer to your question is this: Because JAWS is touted as the number one screen reader, and as much as I don't like it, unless a miracle happens, VFO isn't going to keep them both going when they have in their view, the number one screen reader. Not to mansion that people have made a living creating JAWS specific products, so... As far as Narrator goes, yes I agree with you there. I've tested the demo of the dolphin product, and I'll warn you, the demo file is over a gig in size. It comes with its own book share search utility, its own scanning utility, and some other stuff that I haven't had practical time to test. I would consider it though. Thanks, Darrell -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 3:14 PM To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.w
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
Hi Peter, Why not two screen readers from VFO. Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in their offerings, why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand VFO sells. Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major upgrades! Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple products having only one choice, Voice over! NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes. I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro. YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software, Firefox for my browser, Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues! I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with the latest Window-eyes 9.54 with little issues. I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and have NVDA as a backup screen reader. Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it alive, Like HumanWare. So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software instead. Regards, Roger Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/aistech%40amer itech.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
I didn't say that window-eyes would survive. And didn't I already say that JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any health care. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
