RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-23 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk 
Nice one, marc!  I am all behind you, AI Squared!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Helen Murphy
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

Stephen and all other list members,
I work for Ai Squared but what I am about to write are my own personal
thoughts. Ai Squared's most important job is making computers, applications
and Web pages accessible for our customers. As you know this is not a
trivial task and requires a team effort and collaboration with many other
organizations. 
We don't have the time or resources to ensure everyone on this last follows
the golden and acts civil towards one another. We depend on the list members
to self moderate and treat each other with decency and respect. 
Before you hit the send button, please ask your self: Will the contents of
this message help the Window-Eyes community or advance the cause of
accessibility and inclusion? If not, it would probably be best to take the
high road, take a deep breath and just let it go.  
In order for us to create positive change in this world, we need to work
together and not let our personel differences stand in the way of progress.
Regards,
Marc

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On May 23, 2016 4:46:29 PM Stephen Clark via Talk
 wrote:

> OK, Mr. moderator Tom, explain why this is not a personal attack against
me.
>
> Also, please explain where AI Squared is on all of this. Aren't they 
> the true moderators? If they were doing their job it would have never 
> reached this point.
>
>
> On 5/22/2016 9:49 PM, Helen Murphy via Talk wrote:
>> WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE 
>> SYSTEM IM GLAD U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO 
>> TELL THEM TO GO JUMP IN THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO 
>> TOM GOOD FOR YOU HELEN MURPHY
>>
>>  On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk
 wrote:
>>   
>>
>>   Thanks, Rod.
>>
>> Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and 
>> paid
>> 1.3 billion in taxes last year.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Stephen,
>>>
>>> I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an 
>>> old man and accused him of being unemployed and living on government
cheques.
>>> You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in 
>>> calling myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for 
>>> quite some time, longer than you, I believe, and add to this the 
>>> fact that I count on this list to be a place of safety from personal
attack.
>>> I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to 
>>> intimidate me by writing to me privately.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
>>> Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
>>> To: Rod Hutton 
>>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge 
>>> for web results
>>>
>>> I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest 
>>> that you either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read 
>>> what was said to me by another mean and in appropriate list member.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> ==Steve
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
 Stephen,

 Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find 
 it difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if 
 you found some other forum for your comments.

 Sincerely,

 Rod Hutton

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
 Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch 
 Edge for web results

 Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think 
 really really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some 
 of us actually work for a living. This means not every one can just 
 go installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you 
 never thought about that either while you're sitting there 
 collecting your government checks. I realize you are not a forward 
 thinker, but some people can actually see the direction MS is 
 headed. They can and most certainly will force you to use whatever 
 they damn well please. Not to mention all the many apps coming out 
 that are using the Edge browser with
>>> no way to change it.

 Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


 On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-23 Thread Marc Solomon via Talk 
Stephen and all other list members, 
I work for Ai Squared but what I am about to write are my own personal 
thoughts. Ai Squared's most important job is making computers, applications and 
Web pages accessible for our customers. As you know this is not a trivial task 
and requires a team effort and collaboration with many other organizations. 
We don't have the time or resources to ensure everyone on this last follows the 
golden and acts civil towards one another. We depend on the list members to 
self moderate and treat each other with decency and respect. 
Before you hit the send button, please ask your self: Will the contents of this 
message help the Window-Eyes community or advance the cause of accessibility 
and inclusion? If not, it would probably be best to take the high road, take a 
deep breath and just let it go.  
In order for us to create positive change in this world, we need to work 
together and not let our personel differences stand in the way of progress.
Regards,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On May 23, 2016 4:46:29 PM Stephen Clark via Talk  
wrote:

> OK, Mr. moderator Tom, explain why this is not a personal attack against me.
>
> Also, please explain where AI Squared is on all of this. Aren't they the 
> true moderators? If they were doing their job it would have never 
> reached this point.
>
>
> On 5/22/2016 9:49 PM, Helen Murphy via Talk wrote:
>> WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE SYSTEM IM 
>> GLAD U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO TELL THEM TO GO 
>> JUMP IN THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO TOM GOOD FOR YOU HELEN 
>> MURPHY
>>
>>  On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>   
>>
>>   Thanks, Rod.
>>
>> Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and paid
>> 1.3 billion in taxes last year.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Stephen,
>>>
>>> I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
>>> and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
>>> You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
>>> myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
>>> longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
>>> list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
>>> I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
>>> by writing to me privately.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
>>> Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
>>> To: Rod Hutton 
>>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
>>> results
>>>
>>> I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
>>> either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
>>> me by another mean and in appropriate list member.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> ==Steve
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
 Stephen,

 Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
 difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
 found some other forum for your comments.

 Sincerely,

 Rod Hutton

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
 Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
 for web results

 Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
 really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
 actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
 installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
 thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
 government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
 people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
 certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
 mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with
>>> no way to change it.

 Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


 On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
> having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
> absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
> may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
> will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-23 Thread Stephen Clark via Talk 

OK, Mr. moderator Tom, explain why this is not a personal attack against me.

Also, please explain where AI Squared is on all of this. Aren't they the 
true moderators? If they were doing their job it would have never 
reached this point.



On 5/22/2016 9:49 PM, Helen Murphy via Talk wrote:

WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE SYSTEM IM GLAD 
U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO TELL THEM TO GO JUMP IN 
THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO TOM GOOD FOR YOU HELEN MURPHY

 On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
 wrote:
  


  Thanks, Rod.

Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and paid
1.3 billion in taxes last year.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Stephen,

Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
found some other forum for your comments.

Sincerely,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
for web results

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with

no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is
Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe
they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied
to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task
bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've
got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand,
I can activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the
search results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture
that's threatening civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen readers. However, my original message is not

RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-23 Thread Smith, Veronica via Talk 
Oh my goodness, it is a scary thought, but a lot of it might be true.  Thanks 
for sharing! Veronica

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:25 AM
To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web 
results

I can't help but send this message here. It is . . . something, but does
resonate with this topic.
Read and throw away, or ponder it, or store it away, but it is,
fascinating nonetheless.




*Welcome to the exponential age!*



In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper
worldwide.



Within just a few years, their business model disappeared and they
went bankrupt.



What happened to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next 10
years - and most people don't see it coming. Did you think in 1998 that 3
years later you would never take pictures on paper film again?



Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The first ones only had 10,000
pixels, but followed Moore's law. So as with all exponential technologies,
it was a disappointment for a long time, before it became way superior and
got mainstream in only a few short years. It will now happen with artificial
Intelligence, health, autonomous and electric cars, education, 3D printing,
agriculture, and jobs. Welcome to the 4th Industrial Revolution - The
Exponential Age!



Software will disrupt most traditional industries in the next 5-10 years.



Uber is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and are now the
biggest taxi company in the world. Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company
in the world, although they don't own any properties.



Artificial Intelligence: Computers become exponentially better in
understanding the world. This year, a computer beat the best player in the
world, 10 years earlier than expected. In the US, young lawyers already
don't get jobs. Because of IBM's Watson, you can get legal advice (so far
for more or less basic stuff) within seconds, with 90% accuracy compared
with 70% accuracy when done by humans. So if you study law, stop
immediately. There will be 90% less lawyers in the future, only specialists
will remain.



Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, 4 times more accurate than
human nurses. Facebook now has a pattern recognition software that can
recognize faces better than humans. In 2030, computers will become more
intelligent than humans.



Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self-driving cars will appear for the
public. Around 2020, the complete industry will start to be disrupted.
You won't
want to own a car anymore. You will call a car with your phone, it will
show up at your location and drive you to your destination. You will not
need to park it, you will only pay for the driven distance and you can be
productive while driving. Our kids will never get a driver's license and
will never own a car. It will change the cities, because we will need
90-95% less cars for that. We can transform former parking space into
parks. 1.2 million people die each year in car accidents worldwide. We now
have one accident every 100,000km. With autonomous driving that will drop
to one accident in 10 million km. That will save a million lives each year.



Most car companies might become bankrupt. Traditional car companies try the
evolutionary approach and just build a better car, while tech companies
(Tesla, Apple, Google) will do the revolutionary approach and build a
computer on wheels. I spoke to a lot of engineers from Volkswagen and Audi;
they are completely terrified of Tesla.



Insurance companies will have massive trouble because without accidents,
the insurance will become 100x cheaper. Their car insurance business model
will disappear.



Real estate will change. Because if you can work while you commute, people
will move further away to live in a more beautiful neighborhood.



*Won't need as many garages if fewer people have cars, so living in the
city may become more attractive as people like being around other people.
That won't change.*



Electric cars will become mainstream until 2020. Cities will be less noisy
because all cars will run on electric. Electricity will become incredibly
cheap and clean: Solar production has been on an exponential curve for 30
years, but you can only now see the impact. Last year, more solar energy
was installed worldwide than fossil. The price for solar will drop so much
that all coal companies will be out of business by 2025.



With cheap electricity comes cheap and abundant water. Desalination now
only needs 2kWh per cubic meter. We don't have scarce water in most places,
we only have scarce drinking water. Imagine what will be possible if anyone
can have as much clean water as he wants, for nearly no cost.



Health: The Tricorder X price will be announced this year. There will be
companies who will build a medical device

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-23 Thread Jim via Talk 

Hello there FOLKS!
I have been a member of this list for quite some time now.  I do see a 
lot of this sort of nonsense going on with other lists, but this is the 
first time I have actually seen it going on with this one.  Personally I 
could care less what someone's anual income is, I thought the purpose of 
this list was to discuss W.E. and technology.  Why don't we get back to 
that and leave the personal attacks to private eMails if folks really 
wish to do this sort of thing.
If someone has problems with the way W.E. functions then by all means 
tell us about it! Thanks! & Have A Good 1! de

 wrote:
  


  Thanks, Rod.

Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and paid
1.3 billion in taxes last year.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:

Stephen,

Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
found some other forum for your comments.

Sincerely,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
for web results

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with

no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is
Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe
they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied
to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task
bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've
got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand,
I

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-22 Thread Helen Murphy via Talk 
WHAT DOES HE WANT A MEDAL HES ONE OF THOSE WE ALL PAID INTO THE SYSTEM IM GLAD 
U CLIPPED HIS WINGS THOSE KIND YOU WOULD JUST LOVE TO TELL THEM TO GO JUMP IN 
THE LAKE HE JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY TOO TOM GOOD FOR YOU HELEN MURPHY 

On Sunday, May 22, 2016 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
 wrote:
 

 Thanks, Rod.

Just for the record: I'm 29, was on the cover of GQ last month, and paid 
1.3 billion in taxes last year.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/22/2016 8:17 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
> and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
> You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
> myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
> longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
> list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
> I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
> by writing to me privately.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com]
> Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
> To: Rod Hutton 
> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
> results
>
> I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
> either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
> me by another mean and in appropriate list member.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ==Steve
>
> On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
>> Stephen,
>>
>> Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it
>> difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you
>> found some other forum for your comments.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Rod Hutton
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
>> Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge
>> for web results
>>
>> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
>> really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>> actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>> installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
>> thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>> government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>> people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>> certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
>> mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with
> no way to change it.
>>
>>
>> Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
>>
>>
>> On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>> Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
>>> having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
>>> absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
>>> may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
>>> will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is
>>> Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe
>>> they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.
>>>
>>> John Bonham
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
 You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
 research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
 example,
 Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
 fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


 On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
>
> Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
> use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
>
> Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied
> to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task
> bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
> Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
> So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've
> got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
> Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand,
> I can activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the
> search results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture
> that's threatening civilization as we know it. ;)
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>> Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other

RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-22 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Stephen,

I looked, and your comments were personal since you called him an old man
and accused him of being unemployed and living on government cheques.
You had no right to do this, and, yes, I feel that I am safe in calling
myself a list moderator since I've been a list member for quite some time,
longer than you, I believe, and add to this the fact that I count on this
list to be a place of safety from personal attack.
I'm copying this to the list since I believe you are trying to intimidate me
by writing to me privately.

Sincerely,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Clark [mailto:sclar...@twcny.rr.com] 
Sent: May 22, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

I dear, Rod. Are you the list moderator? Otherwise I would suggest that you
either look somewhere else to post your comments, or read what was said to
me by another mean and in appropriate list member.


Sincerely,

==Steve

On 5/21/2016 9:37 PM, Rod Hutton wrote:
> Stephen,
>
> Your note was quite mean and therefore inappropriate.  If you find it 
> difficult to be civil, I'm sure many of us would appreciate if you 
> found some other forum for your comments.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rod Hutton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
> Sent: May 19, 2016 10:39 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge 
> for web results
>
> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really 
> really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us 
> actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go 
> installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never 
> thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your 
> government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some 
> people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most 
> certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to 
> mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser with
no way to change it.
>
>
> Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
>
>
> On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>> Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not 
>> having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means 
>> absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You 
>> may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we 
>> will all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is 
>> Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe 
>> they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.
>>
>> John Bonham
>>
>> On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>> You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual 
>>> research to find out what's really going on in the world? For 
>>> example,
>>> Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a 
>>> fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
 This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

 Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to 
 use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

 Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied 
 to Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task 
 bar and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, 
 Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. 
 So I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've 
 got my results without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
 Yes, it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, 
 I can activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the 
 search results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture 
 that's threatening civilization as we know it. ;)

 Regards,
 Tom


 On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other 
> screen readers. However, my original message is not to be critical 
> of Win-eyes.
> It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going 
> with Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in 
> the near future I feel we'll be left behind.
>
> On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
>> Hi Stephen:
>>
>> I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, 
>> but I have one question.
>> Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built 
>> into them?
>> Kevin Huber
>>
>> On 5/17/16, Stephen

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-22 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
OK, I really don't know what he said, but here's the point. While I 
don't know who is righvt, Steve has yet to provide specific evidence to 
support his contension.


On 5/22/2016 4:36 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I think he said updates, not upgrades, maybe you need to read more
carefully?

On 5/21/2016 4:35 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

I was not going to post anything more on this topic, but I read this and
just couldn't let this go. Tom, you said this is the first time a
Windows upgrade has been free? LOL! This ignorance just proves once
again you have no clue what you're talking about. MS has been releasing
free upgrades since before Win 8!


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-22 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
I think he said updates, not upgrades, maybe you need to read more 
carefully?


On 5/21/2016 4:35 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

I was not going to post anything more on this topic, but I read this and
just couldn't let this go. Tom, you said this is the first time a
Windows upgrade has been free? LOL! This ignorance just proves once
again you have no clue what you're talking about. MS has been releasing
free upgrades since before Win 8!


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RE: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-21 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Hi Tom,

You are the wordsmith par excellence. Smile

Keep 'em coming,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: May 18, 2016 10:31 PM
To: Stephen Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web
results

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not having a
coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely nothing
today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some interest on
it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die one day. And that's a
fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear those browsers
are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual 
> research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
> Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a 
> fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>
>
> On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>> This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
>>
>> Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to 
>> use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
>>
>> Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to 
>> Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar 
>> and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, 
>> Google loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So 
>> I press one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my 
>> results without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, 
>> it may take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can 
>> activate a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search 
>> results. I don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's 
>> threatening civilization as we know it. ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>> Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen 
>>> readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes.
>>> It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going 
>>> with Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in 
>>> the near future I feel we'll be left behind.
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
 Hi Stephen:

 I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but 
 I have one question.
 Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built 
 into them?
 Kevin Huber

 On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk  wrote:
> Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for 
> Edge, has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do 
> a search from the start menu and you press enter to search the web 
> for your result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what 
> your default web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way 
> to change this behavior.
>
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-21 Thread Stephen Clark via Talk 
I was not going to post anything more on this topic, but I read this and 
just couldn't let this go. Tom, you said this is the first time a 
Windows upgrade has been free? LOL! This ignorance just proves once 
again you have no clue what you're talking about. MS has been releasing 
free upgrades since before Win 8!



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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-20 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 
I'm no Microsoft fan. For those whose computers were updated to Windows 
10 when they did not want it they had to confirm the process. And they 
had thirty days to revert back. Clicking on OK without reading what's on 
the screen is a common problem in the sighted world as well.


There's a difference between accessibility being part of the 
specification and it being implemented from day one. No business caters 
to a group that constitutes 1% of their customer base. Implementing 
accessibility takes time which delays the launch of products that are 
ready for the masses. And time is money. So no, we are not at the top of 
Microsoft's or any other developers priority list. If we lived in your 
blind utopia where everything had to be accessible for everyone, which 
would have to include all disabilities, the entire world economy would 
crash and technological advances would slow to a crawl.


There are long standing accessibility issues with every computing 
platform and always will be. And then there's the endless list of 
software that computer manufacturers put on their systems that cause 
myriad problems for screen reader users.


No one on this planet lives in a perfect world. We can work with what we 
have or spend all our time and energy complaining about every little 
annoyance, like the Cortana search box using Edge when a different key 
stroke will give us the same thing in whatever browser we want.


Tom


On 5/20/2016 3:29 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

He is drinking the microsoft cool aid.  I have some friends whose
computers were updated to windows ten and they did not want it.  He says
go to another product.   What other product.  Why wasn't accessibiliby
part of the specifications.  Why is it always an after thought.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 20 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:


Tom, I'm sorry, but you just dont get it. My whole purpose in writing
to the list was to point out an example where they *are* most
definitely forcing you to use Edge. If you want to use Cortana and
find something on the web. Of course you don't have to use this
feature and no, I'm not having a coronary about it as you like to say,
but you are wrong. Microsoft has already done it. You can not change
this behavior. Hell, they were trying to upgrade peoples computer with
Win 10 a while ago whether they wanted it or not. Remember that?


So when you say that MS can't force you to use their browsers or
anything else, that's simply not true! They already have and will
probably do this kind of thing more in the future.



ngston wrote:

 Stephen,

 I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other
 cheek.

 I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real
 world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your
ability to
 work or use your computer?

 I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real
 world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the
 default for searching using their start menu in their operating system.
 They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in any way.

 Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force
you to
 use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court many
 years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can I
say?
 This is the world of blindness wherein this is common regardless of the
 platform you're on.

 From Microsoft:
 "Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7,
Windows
 8.1, and Windows 10."
 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

 It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only
place
 Edge is available.

 Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the
North
 American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the town I
 live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have compassion for
 those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a blind person to
find
 work in this world regardless of their qualifications. Life is not and
 never will be fair to all.

 I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you. I
 had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was,
could
 wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on a
message.
 Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.

 Regards,
 Tom


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-20 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 
Be it that you answered your own question and that your vile manner 
doesn't deserve an answer I'll let that lie. But please inform me of the 
law that says every computer program on this planet must be accessible 
to the blind. I missed that one in the world governance hearings.


On 5/20/2016 2:29 AM, Kevin Barry wrote:

you insist that Microsoft will eventually make edge accessible. Do you
know this? And please, I am not asking for your wishful thinking.
You know nothing of the kind, you were speaking out of a part of your
body lower than your mouth.
It is inexcusable, and really contrary to law, that this browser is
allowed to exist in its current form.


On Friday, May 20, 2016, Tom Kingston via Talk
> wrote:

Butch,

We still have mouse keys in Internet Explorer. It's one of the
reasons IE is my default browser. So I'm not sure what you're missing.

Yes, Amazon has become a bit dicey over the years. Then again, they
have their accessible site as well.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.
I was
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest
explorer.  I
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it
barked at me
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to
keep
drinking that ms cool aid.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you
think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some
of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure
you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there
collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker,
but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can
and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well
please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge
browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's
why I'm not
having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future
means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it.
You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we
will all die
one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and
chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway
to Heaven
Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you
done any actual
>  research to find out what's really going on in the
world? For
example,
>  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet
Explorer. That's a
>  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > >  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for
what it's worth.
> > > >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not
going to
force us to
> >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search
box? Yes, that
is tied to
> >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned
to the Task bar
> >  and my home page is Google. So when I press
Windows+1 IE opens,
Google
> >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode
toggles off. So I
press
> >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and
I've got my
results
>

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-20 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 
Using the Cortana search box is your choice. Upgrading to Windows 10 is 
your choice. If your employer decides to move to Windows 10 that is 
their choice. Microsoft is pushing Windows 10 hard for very good 
business reasons. This is what businesses do and why for the first time 
a Windows upgrade is free.


Tom


On 5/20/2016 1:40 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Tom, I'm sorry, but you just dont get it. My whole purpose in writing to
the list was to point out an example where they *are* most definitely
forcing you to use Edge. If you want to use Cortana and find something
on the web. Of course you don't have to use this feature and no, I'm not
having a coronary about it as you like to say, but you are wrong.
Microsoft has already done it. You can not change this behavior. Hell,
they were trying to upgrade peoples computer with Win 10 a while ago
whether they wanted it or not. Remember that?


So when you say that MS can't force you to use their browsers or
anything else, that's simply not true! They already have and will
probably do this kind of thing more in the future.



ngston wrote:

Stephen,

I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other
cheek.

I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real
world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your
ability to work or use your computer?

I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real
world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the
default for searching using their start menu in their operating
system. They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in
any way.

Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force you
to use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court
many years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can
I say? This is the world of blindness wherein this is common
regardless of the platform you're on.

From Microsoft:
"Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7,
Windows 8.1, and Windows 10."
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only
place Edge is available.

Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the
North American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the
town I live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have
compassion for those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a
blind person to find work in this world regardless of their
qualifications. Life is not and never will be fair to all.

I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you.
I had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was,
could wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on
a message. Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.

Regards,
Tom


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-20 Thread Stephen Clark via Talk 
Good for you, but you must not have the latest update or something. When 
I hit enter to go to the web from the start menu, the title bar says 
"Core Input" and Win-eyes will not read anything except the links when I 
tab around. I have checked and double checked that Internet Explorer is 
my default.Maybe you should check your updates.




On 5/19/2016 11:00 PM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:

Steve,


I just tried searching from the start menu by both typing in to the 
search menu and by using voice.  Both methods brought up results in 
internet explorer which I have set as my default on my Windows 10 pro 
machine.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-20 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
OK, I think I understand.  You are not forced to use Windows. If you do 
use windows, you are not forced to upgrade (for a while).  If you do 
upgrade, you do not have to use Cortana. Yet MS is forcing you to use edge?


On 5/20/2016 1:40 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Tom, I'm sorry, but you just dont get it. My whole purpose in writing to
the list was to point out an example where they *are* most definitely
forcing you to use Edge. If you want to use Cortana and find something
on the web. Of course you don't have to use this feature and no, I'm not
having a coronary about it as you like to say, but you are wrong.
Microsoft has already done it. You can not change this behavior. Hell,
they were trying to upgrade peoples computer with Win 10 a while ago
whether they wanted it or not. Remember that?


So when you say that MS can't force you to use their browsers or
anything else, that's simply not true! They already have and will
probably do this kind of thing more in the future.



ngston wrote:

Stephen,

I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other
cheek.

I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real
world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your
ability to work or use your computer?

I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real
world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the
default for searching using their start menu in their operating
system. They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in
any way.

Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force you
to use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court
many years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can
I say? This is the world of blindness wherein this is common
regardless of the platform you're on.

From Microsoft:
"Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7,
Windows 8.1, and Windows 10."
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only
place Edge is available.

Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the
North American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the
town I live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have
compassion for those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a
blind person to find work in this world regardless of their
qualifications. Life is not and never will be fair to all.

I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you.
I had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was,
could wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on
a message. Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.

Regards,
Tom


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-20 Thread Stephen Clark via Talk 
Tom, I'm sorry, but you just dont get it. My whole purpose in writing to 
the list was to point out an example where they *are* most definitely 
forcing you to use Edge. If you want to use Cortana and find something 
on the web. Of course you don't have to use this feature and no, I'm not 
having a coronary about it as you like to say, but you are wrong. 
Microsoft has already done it. You can not change this behavior. Hell, 
they were trying to upgrade peoples computer with Win 10 a while ago 
whether they wanted it or not. Remember that?



So when you say that MS can't force you to use their browsers or 
anything else, that's simply not true! They already have and will 
probably do this kind of thing more in the future.




ngston wrote:

Stephen,

I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other 
cheek.


I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real 
world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your 
ability to work or use your computer?


I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real 
world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the 
default for searching using their start menu in their operating 
system. They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in 
any way.


Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force you 
to use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court 
many years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can 
I say? This is the world of blindness wherein this is common 
regardless of the platform you're on.


From Microsoft:
"Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7, 
Windows 8.1, and Windows 10."

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only 
place Edge is available.


Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the 
North American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the 
town I live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have 
compassion for those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a 
blind person to find work in this world regardless of their 
qualifications. Life is not and never will be fair to all.


I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you. 
I had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was, 
could wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on 
a message. Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.


Regards,
Tom


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-20 Thread Curtis Delzer via Talk 
I can't help but send this message here. It is . . . something, but does
resonate with this topic.
Read and throw away, or ponder it, or store it away, but it is,
fascinating nonetheless.




*Welcome to the exponential age!*



In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper
worldwide.



Within just a few years, their business model disappeared and they
went bankrupt.



What happened to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next 10
years - and most people don't see it coming. Did you think in 1998 that 3
years later you would never take pictures on paper film again?



Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The first ones only had 10,000
pixels, but followed Moore's law. So as with all exponential technologies,
it was a disappointment for a long time, before it became way superior and
got mainstream in only a few short years. It will now happen with artificial
Intelligence, health, autonomous and electric cars, education, 3D printing,
agriculture, and jobs. Welcome to the 4th Industrial Revolution – The
Exponential Age!



Software will disrupt most traditional industries in the next 5-10 years.



Uber is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and are now the
biggest taxi company in the world. Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company
in the world, although they don't own any properties.



Artificial Intelligence: Computers become exponentially better in
understanding the world. This year, a computer beat the best player in the
world, 10 years earlier than expected. In the US, young lawyers already
don't get jobs. Because of IBM’s Watson, you can get legal advice (so far
for more or less basic stuff) within seconds, with 90% accuracy compared
with 70% accuracy when done by humans. So if you study law, stop
immediately. There will be 90% less lawyers in the future, only specialists
will remain.



Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, 4 times more accurate than
human nurses. Facebook now has a pattern recognition software that can
recognize faces better than humans. In 2030, computers will become more
intelligent than humans.



Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self-driving cars will appear for the
public. Around 2020, the complete industry will start to be disrupted.
You won't
want to own a car anymore. You will call a car with your phone, it will
show up at your location and drive you to your destination. You will not
need to park it, you will only pay for the driven distance and you can be
productive while driving. Our kids will never get a driver's license and
will never own a car. It will change the cities, because we will need
90-95% less cars for that. We can transform former parking space into
parks. 1.2 million people die each year in car accidents worldwide. We now
have one accident every 100,000km. With autonomous driving that will drop
to one accident in 10 million km. That will save a million lives each year.



Most car companies might become bankrupt. Traditional car companies try the
evolutionary approach and just build a better car, while tech companies
(Tesla, Apple, Google) will do the revolutionary approach and build a
computer on wheels. I spoke to a lot of engineers from Volkswagen and Audi;
they are completely terrified of Tesla.



Insurance companies will have massive trouble because without accidents,
the insurance will become 100x cheaper. Their car insurance business model
will disappear.



Real estate will change. Because if you can work while you commute, people
will move further away to live in a more beautiful neighborhood.



*Won't need as many garages if fewer people have cars, so living in the
city may become more attractive as people like being around other people.
That won't change.*



Electric cars will become mainstream until 2020. Cities will be less noisy
because all cars will run on electric. Electricity will become incredibly
cheap and clean: Solar production has been on an exponential curve for 30
years, but you can only now see the impact. Last year, more solar energy
was installed worldwide than fossil. The price for solar will drop so much
that all coal companies will be out of business by 2025.



With cheap electricity comes cheap and abundant water. Desalination now
only needs 2kWh per cubic meter. We don't have scarce water in most places,
we only have scarce drinking water. Imagine what will be possible if anyone
can have as much clean water as he wants, for nearly no cost.



Health: The Tricorder X price will be announced this year. There will be
companies who will build a medical device (called the "Tricorder" from Star
Trek) that works with your phone, which takes your retina scan, you blood
sample and you breath into it. It then analyses 54 biomarkers that will
identify nearly any disease. It will be cheap, so in a few years everyone
on this planet will have access to world class medicine, nearly for free.



3D printing: The price of the cheapest 3D printer came down from $18,000 to
$400

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-20 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
You are acting as if you are required to purchase a Microsoft product. 
I'm sorry that not everything in our world is accessible to us.  If you 
don't like what MS is doing you can look for another option.


On 5/20/2016 2:29 AM, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:

you insist that Microsoft will eventually make edge accessible. Do you know
this? And please, I am not asking for your wishful thinking.
You know nothing of the kind, you were speaking out of a part of your body
lower than your mouth.
It is inexcusable, and really contrary to law, that this browser is allowed
to exist in its current form.


On Friday, May 20, 2016, Tom Kingston via Talk 
wrote:


Butch,

We still have mouse keys in Internet Explorer. It's one of the reasons IE
is my default browser. So I'm not sure what you're missing.

Yes, Amazon has become a bit dicey over the years. Then again, they have
their accessible site as well.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:


Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
drinking that ms cool aid.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really

really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:


 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

 You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
 research to find out what's really going on in the world? For

example,

 Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
 fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.

 On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

 Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to

force us to

 use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

 Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that

is tied to

 Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
 and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,

Google

 loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I

press

 one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my

results

 without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
 take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can

activate

 a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search

results. I

 don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's

threatening

 civilization as we know it. ;)

 Regards,

 Tom

 On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

 Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other

screen

 readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
 Win-eyes.
 It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is

going > > >  with

 Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in

the > > >  near

 future I feel we'll be left behind.

 On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

 Hi Stephen:

 I understand what you are saying and I totally agree

with you, but > > > >  I

 have one question.
 Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility

built > > > >  into

 them?
 Kevin Huber

 On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk

 > > > >  wrote:

 Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes

support for > > > > >  Edge,

 has any one noticed the following recent change? When you

do a > > > > >  search

 from the start menu and you press enter to search the web

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-20 Thread Kevin Barry via Talk 
you insist that Microsoft will eventually make edge accessible. Do you know
this? And please, I am not asking for your wishful thinking.
You know nothing of the kind, you were speaking out of a part of your body
lower than your mouth.
It is inexcusable, and really contrary to law, that this browser is allowed
to exist in its current form.


On Friday, May 20, 2016, Tom Kingston via Talk 
wrote:

> Butch,
>
> We still have mouse keys in Internet Explorer. It's one of the reasons IE
> is my default browser. So I'm not sure what you're missing.
>
> Yes, Amazon has become a bit dicey over the years. Then again, they have
> their accessible site as well.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
>
>> Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
>> upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
>> trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
>> logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
>> finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
>> about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
>> drinking that ms cool aid.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>
>> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
>>> really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>>> actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>>> installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
>>> thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>>> government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>>> people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>>> certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
>>> mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
>>> with no way to change it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>>
  Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
 having
  a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
  nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
  interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
 one day.
  And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
  those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
 Zeppelin
  was referring to.

  John Bonham

  On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
 >  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
 >  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
 example,
 >  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
 >  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
 > > >  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
 > >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
 > > > >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
 force us to
 > >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
 > > > >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
 is tied to
 > >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
 > >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
 Google
 > >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
 press
 > >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
 results
 > >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
 > >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
 activate
 > >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
 results. I
 > >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
 threatening
 > >  civilization as we know it. ;)
 > > > >  Regards,
 > >  Tom
 > > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
 > > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
 screen
 > > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
 > > >  Win-eyes.
 > > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
 going > > >  with
 > > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
 the > > >  near
 > > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
 > > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
 > > > >  Hi Stephen:
 > > > > > > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree
 with you, but > > > >  I
 > > > >  have one question.
 > > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility
 built > > > >  into
 > > > >  them?

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-19 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

Butch,

We still have mouse keys in Internet Explorer. It's one of the reasons 
IE is my default browser. So I'm not sure what you're missing.


Yes, Amazon has become a bit dicey over the years. Then again, they have 
their accessible site as well.


Regards,
Tom


On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
drinking that ms cool aid.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:


Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
>  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > >  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > > >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
force us to
> >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
is tied to
> >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
> >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google
> >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
press
> >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
results
> >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
> >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
activate
> >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
results. I
> >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
threatening
> >  civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > >  Regards,
> >  Tom
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen
> > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
> > >  Win-eyes.
> > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
going > > >  with
> > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
the > > >  near
> > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > >  Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree
with you, but > > > >  I
> > > >  have one question.
> > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility
built > > > >  into
> > > >  them?
> > > >  Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > >  On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk
 > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >  Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes
support for > > > > >  Edge,
> > > > >  has any one noticed the following recent change? When you
do a > > > > >  search
> > > > >  from the start menu and you press enter to search the web
for > > > > >  your
> > > > >  result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what
your > > > > >  default
> > > > >  web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to
change > > > > >  this
> > > > >  behavior.
> > > > > > > > > >  ==Steve
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those > > > > >  of the
> > > > >  author
> > > > >  and do not necessarily represent those of Ai

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-19 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

Stephen,

I apologize for returning your attack. I should have turned the other cheek.

I'll ask you one very simple question. Can you give me one single real 
world reason how lack of access to Edge today is impairing your ability 
to work or use your computer?


I'll take your word that some apps can use only Edge. But in the real 
world Windows apps are a joke. And yes, Microsoft can make Edge the 
default for searching using their start menu in their operating system. 
They have every right to do so. It does not hinder anyone in any way.


Microsoft will eventually make Edge accessible. They cannot force you to 
use Edge, which they are not doing now. That was settled in court many 
years ago. If you're irate because you can't use an app, what can I say? 
This is the world of blindness wherein this is common regardless of the 
platform you're on.


From Microsoft:
"Internet Explorer 11 will be supported for the life of Windows 7, 
Windows 8.1, and Windows 10."

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support

It will be years before everyone is on Windows 10. And it's the only 
place Edge is available.


Regarding your stream of personal insults? I'm a programmer for the 
North American division of a German fiber optic company as well as the 
town I live in. This is why I'm on a computer all day. I have compassion 
for those who are unemployed. It is very difficult for a blind person to 
find work in this world regardless of their qualifications. Life is not 
and never will be fair to all.


I apologize for the initial statement of my opinion, but only to you. I 
had no idea that such a simple message, prefaced in the way it was, 
could wreak such havoc. Please hit Delete whenever you see my name on a 
message. Or better yet, create a filter to dump me in the trash.


Regards,
Tom


On 5/19/2016 10:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will
all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and
chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the
Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built
into
them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-19 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
Not strange at all.  From the beginning of man's existance, he has tried 
to manipulate his environment to suit his wants and needs.  Man will 
continue to "progress" regardless of what each individual does.  Maybe 
in 20 years, the internet as we know it, won't exist.


On 5/20/2016 12:46 AM, Butch Bussen wrote:

Strange comparison.  Well, same old same old.  Just because some folks
love their i phones, they think it is the answer for every one.  I don't
think my car would go very far if I replaced its wheels with i phones.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Nick Sarames wrote:


This applies to everyone.  It's how we got from the wheel to the iPhone.

On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

 Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
 upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
 trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
 logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
 finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked
at me
 about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
 drinking that ms cool aid.
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
 Node 3148
 Wallace, ks.


 On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

>  Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think
really
>  really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>  actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>  installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you
never
>  thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>  government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>  people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>  certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please.
Not to
>  mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
>  with no way to change it.
> > >  Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
> > >  On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >  Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
> >  having
> >   a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely
> >   nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may
get some
> >   interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
> >  one day.
> >   And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome.
And I > >   hear
> >   those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
> >  Zeppelin
> >   was referring to.
> > > >   John Bonham
> > > >   On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > >   You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any
actual
> > >   research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
> >  example,
> > >   Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer.
That's > > >   a
> > >   fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > > > >   On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> > > >   This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's
worth.
> > > > > >   Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
> >  force us to
> > > >   use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > > > >   Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
> >  is tied to
> > > >   Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the
Task > > > >   bar
> > > >   and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE
opens,
> >  Google
> > > >   loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off.
So I
> >  press
> > > >   one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
> >  results
> > > >   without anything else in my start menu or on my system.
Yes, it > > > >   may
> > > >   take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
> >  activate
> > > >   a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
> >  results. I
> > > >   don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
> >  threatening
> > > >   civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > > > >   Regards,
> > > >   Tom
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > > > >   Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about
other
> >  screen
> > > > >   readers. However, my original message is not to be
critical of
> > > > >   Win-eyes.
> > > > >   It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
> > going > > >   with
> > > > >   Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon
with in
> > the > > >   near
> > > > >   future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > > > >   Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > > > >   I understand what you are saying and I totally
agree
> >  with you, but > > > >  I
> > > > > >   have one question.
> > > > > >   Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge
accessibility
> > built > > > >   into
> > > > > >   them?
> > > > > >   Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > > > >

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-19 Thread Butch Bussen via Talk 
Strange comparison.  Well, same old same old.  Just because some folks 
love their i phones, they think it is the answer for every one.  I don't 
think my car would go very far if I replaced its wheels with i phones.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On 
Thu, 19 May 2016, Nick Sarames wrote:



This applies to everyone.  It's how we got from the wheel to the iPhone.

On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

 Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
 upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
 trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
 logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
 finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
 about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
 drinking that ms cool aid.
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
 Node 3148
 Wallace, ks.


 On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

>  Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
>  really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>  actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>  installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
>  thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>  government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>  people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>  certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
>  mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
>  with no way to change it.
> 
> 
>  Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
> 
> 
>  On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

> >  Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
> >  having
> >   a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
> >   nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
> >   interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
> >  one day.
> >   And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I 
> >   hear

> >   those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
> >  Zeppelin
> >   was referring to.
> > 
> >   John Bonham
> > 
> >   On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

> > >   You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
> > >   research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
> >  example,
> > >   Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's 
> > >   a

> > >   fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > > > >   On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> > > >   This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > > > > >   Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
> >  force us to
> > > >   use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > > > >   Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
> >  is tied to
> > > >   Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task 
> > > >   bar

> > > >   and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
> >  Google
> > > >   loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
> >  press
> > > >   one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
> >  results
> > > >   without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it 
> > > >   may

> > > >   take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
> >  activate
> > > >   a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
> >  results. I
> > > >   don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
> >  threatening
> > > >   civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > > > >   Regards,
> > > >   Tom
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > > > >   Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
> >  screen
> > > > >   readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
> > > > >   Win-eyes.
> > > > >   It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
> > going > > >   with
> > > > >   Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
> > the > > >   near
> > > > >   future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > > > >   On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > > > >   Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > > > >   I understand what you are saying and I totally agree
> >  with you, but > > > >  I
> > > > > >   have one question.
> > > > > >   Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility
> > built > > > >   into
> > > > > >   them?
> > > > > >   Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > > > >   On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk
> >   > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >   Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes
> >  support for > > > > >  Edge,
> > > > > > >   has any one noticed the following recent change? When you
> >  do a > > > > >  search
> > > >

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-19 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 

This applies to everyone.  It's how we got from the wheel to the iPhone.

On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
drinking that ms cool aid.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:


Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
example,
>  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> > >  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
> >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > > >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
force us to
> >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > > >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
is tied to
> >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
> >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
Google
> >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
press
> >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
results
> >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
> >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
activate
> >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
results. I
> >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
threatening
> >  civilization as we know it. ;)
> > > >  Regards,
> >  Tom
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
> > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
screen
> > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
> > >  Win-eyes.
> > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
going > > >  with
> > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
the > > >  near
> > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> > > >  Hi Stephen:
> > > > > > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree
with you, but > > > >  I
> > > >  have one question.
> > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility
built > > > >  into
> > > >  them?
> > > >  Kevin Huber
> > > > > > > >  On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk
 > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >  Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes
support for > > > > >  Edge,
> > > > >  has any one noticed the following recent change? When you
do a > > > > >  search
> > > > >  from the start menu and you press enter to search the web
for > > > > >  your
> > > > >  result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what
your > > > > >  default
> > > > >  web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to
change > > > > >  this
> > > > >  behavior.
> > > > > > > > > >  ==Steve
> > > > >  ___
> > > > >  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely
those > > > > >  of the
> > > > >  author
> > > > >  and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> > > > > > > > > >  For membership options, visit
> > > > >
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-19 Thread Butch Bussen via Talk 
Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade, 
upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was 
trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get 
logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I 
finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me 
about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep 
drinking that ms cool aid.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk 
wrote:


Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really really 
hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us actually work for 
a living. This means not every one can just go installing whatever browser we 
want on our machine. I'm sure you never thought about that either while 
you're sitting there collecting your government checks. I realize you are not 
a forward thinker, but some people can actually see the direction MS is 
headed. They can and most certainly will force you to use whatever they damn 
well please. Not to mention all the many apps coming out that are using the 
Edge browser with no way to change it.



Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

 Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not having
 a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
 nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
 interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die one day.
 And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
 those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin
 was referring to.

 John Bonham

 On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
>  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
>  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
>  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
> 
> 
>  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

> >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
> > 
> >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to

> >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
> > 
> >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to

> >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
> >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
> >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
> >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
> >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
> >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
> >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
> >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
> >  civilization as we know it. ;)
> > 
> >  Regards,

> >  Tom
> > 
> > 
> >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

> > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
> > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of 
> > >  Win-eyes.
> > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going 
> > >  with
> > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the 
> > >  near

> > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
> > > 
> > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

> > > >  Hi Stephen:
> > > > 
> > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but 
> > > >  I

> > > >  have one question.
> > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built 
> > > >  into

> > > >  them?
> > > >  Kevin Huber
> > > > 
> > > >  On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk  
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >  Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for 
> > > > >  Edge,
> > > > >  has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a 
> > > > >  search
> > > > >  from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for 
> > > > >  your
> > > > >  result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your 
> > > > >  default
> > > > >  web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change 
> > > > >  this

> > > > >  behavior.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  ==Steve

> > > > >  ___
> > > > >  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those 
> > > > >  of the

> > > > >  author
> > > > >  and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  For membership options, visit
> > > > >  http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  For subscription options, visit

> > > > >

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-19 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 

Well at least we're having a rational discussion.

On 5/19/2016 10:39 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
with no way to change it.


Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.


On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You
may get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will
all die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and
chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the
Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.

John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built
into
them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk 
wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for
Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a
search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your
default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-19 Thread Bob Tinney via Talk 

Steve,


I just tried searching from the start menu by both typing in to the 
search menu and by using voice.  Both methods brought up results in 
internet explorer which I have set as my default on my Windows 10 pro 
machine.


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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-18 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 
Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not 
having a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means 
absolutely nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may 
get some interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all 
die one day. And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and 
chrome. And I hear those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the 
Stairway to Heaven Zeppelin was referring to.


John Bonham

On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
research to find out what's really going on in the world? For example,
Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.


On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to
use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.

Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google
loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press
one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results
without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate
a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I
don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening
civilization as we know it. ;)

Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built into
them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk  wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-18 Thread Kevin Barry via Talk 
The edge browser is inaccessible to every screen reader thanks to Microsoft
forward thinking.
I also cannot see how your question is at all relevant to this problem.

On Thursday, May 19, 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual research
> to find out what's really going on in the world? For example, Win10 is the
> last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a fact, jack. Look it
> up if you don't believe me.
>
>
> On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>
>> This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
>>
>> Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to use
>> only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
>>
>> Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
>> Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar and my
>> home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google loads, I'm
>> in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press one key
>> combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results without
>> anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may take me a
>> second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate a link and then
>> hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I don't know why this
>> fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening civilization as we know
>> it. ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
>>> readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes.
>>> It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
>>> Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
>>> future I feel we'll be left behind.
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
>>>
 Hi Stephen:

 I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
 have one question.
 Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built into
 them?
 Kevin Huber

 On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk  wrote:

> Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
> has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
> from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
> result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
> web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
> behavior.
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-18 Thread Bob Tinney via Talk 

Hi,


I have Internet Explorer set as my default browser in Windows 10 pro and 
when I search for a topic, internet explorer comes up with several 
answers.  One place that always brings up Edge is when I try to use the 
Microsoft news app.  I can read all of the headlines, but when I click 
on one, an edge window comes up and I can not read anything with any of 
the screen readers that I currently have.



I contacted the Microsoft accessibility office about this problem and 
was told again, and again, and again that "they are aware of the problem 
and are working on it".


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen 
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of 
Win-eyes. It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is 
going with Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with 
in the near future I feel we'll be left behind.


On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built 
into them?

Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk  wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-18 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.

Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to use 
only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.


Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to 
Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar and 
my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google 
loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press 
one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results 
without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may take 
me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate a link 
and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I don't 
know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening 
civilization as we know it. ;)


Regards,
Tom


On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:

Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes.
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
future I feel we'll be left behind.

On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built into
them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk  wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

2016-05-18 Thread Stephen Clark via Talk 
Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen 
readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes. 
It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with 
Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near 
future I feel we'll be left behind.


On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:

Hi Stephen:

I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
have one question.
Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built into them?
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk  wrote:

Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
behavior.

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