subject:"making the switch"

Re: making the switch

2017-04-24 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

Would you happen to know if the version of voice dream reader for the Kindle 
fire has been updated?

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 1:12 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: making the switch

Hi,

We have had at least two updates to Voice Dream Reader in the last week.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 07 April 2017 14:11
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Joshua
Kennedy <joshknnd1...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: making the switch

The reason I ask, it's my understanding there hasn't been a update to the
android version in a very long time?

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:39 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.

On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected
epub. Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0
text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as
LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word,
Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML, What's nice
about voice dream reader, you can download books from both bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader
is supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a
booksense when reading any text based file.

-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?
I hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact
I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses
taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from
the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing
games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes
game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet
even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.

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RE: making the switch

2017-04-24 Thread Steve Nutt via Talk

Hi,

We have had at least two updates to Voice Dream Reader in the last week.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 07 April 2017 14:11
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Joshua
Kennedy <joshknnd1...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: making the switch

The reason I ask, it's my understanding there hasn't been a update to the
android version in a very long time?

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:39 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.



On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
> Does it do all of the following?
>
> With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected 
> epub. Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 
> text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as 
> LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, 
> Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML, What's nice 
> about voice dream reader, you can download books from both bookshare 
> and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader 
> is supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona.
> I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
> booksense when reading any text based file.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: making the switch
>
> voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.
>
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  
>> I hear that the ios version is much better!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: making the switch
>>
>> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA 
>> galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact 
>> I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses 
>> taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from 
>> the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing 
>> games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes 
>> game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet 
>> even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.
>>
>>
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Re: making the switch

2017-04-07 Thread Bernie Perella via Talk

Hi, about a month ago, I purchased a new android phone and began using 
talkback on the touch screen.  I found it very easy to get started and 
in about two or three days I was quite proficient with it and felt 
confortable with the use of a touch screen.  I haven't yet downloaded 
many apps but do plan to do so in the near future.  Talkback is very 
responsive and the built in voice is very good.  I do plan to add the 
Eloquence voices soon.  The apps that were preinstalled on the phone are 
very easy to use.  Compared to the Iphone, which uses multi-finger 
jestures, talkback only uses a single finger jestyure.  The few 
multi-finger jestures that I do use are for Android rather than for 
Talkback.  For those on this list who have been asking about the 
on-screen keyboards, they are quite easy to use and one thing I really 
like is that there is an on-screen key to change from a standard 
keyboard to a symbol or emogi keyboard.  Very nice.  So, while I won't 
suggest that an  Android option is the best, I have had not regrets and 
would urge anyone who is thinking of switching to take a llook at it. 
In fact, I am probably going to purchase an android tablet in the near 
future.

On 4/6/2017 5:07 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> Russ, even if Voice Dream Reader DOES NOT do all you wish for, the Android
> platform has so many apps that are either free or inexpensive that will fit
> the bill!  That, I believe, is what sets Android apart in so many ways!  For
> example, I have a PDF-TO-SPEECH app that will read PDF formatted documents
> and files!  For EPub books, I use Google Playbooks and it is accessible.  I
> use the Kindle app to read Kindle books.  I don't have bookshare, but I
> guarantee you that if I download a book from bookshare as an MP3 formatted
> file or even text, I shall be able to read it with no problems.
>
> With respect to the Amazon Fire, please note that it is NOT A PURE Android
> tablet.  Amazon, like all other manufacturers/developers who are Android
> enthusiasts, has added its own bells and whistles.  The Amazon Fire DOES NOT
> come with Talkback preinstalled; however, it has Voice Views!  Google Play
> Services will need to be installed on the Amazon Fire before you can install
> Talkback.
>
> Before you buy though, if you live close to a computer store such as
> BestBuy, please take a trip there and play with the Fire!  Also, please
> understand that Android and iOS are vastly different in terms of
> accessibility.  On Android, multiple finger taps are "truly" not there; Two
> finger taps are not very common, a single finger tap for the most part will
> launch an app if you set things correctly.  Yes, you can swipe left or
> right, but this does not have to be done all the time.  Learning Android
> will require a good dose of patience, but I am certain you'll do well at
> that.  All in all, Android is fun; its openness and the vast array of
> choices are what has attracted me to it!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
>
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Re: making the switch

2017-04-07 Thread Tony C via Talk

My GF used an Android untill just a coupld months ago when I bought her and 
I Padd. They were updating pretty regular.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 8:11 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; Joshua Kennedy
Subject: Re: making the switch

The reason I ask, it's my understanding there hasn't been a update to the
android version in a very long time?

-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Kennedy

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:39 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.

On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected 
epub. Supported File Formats

PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks,
Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both 
bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader is 
supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
booksense

when reading any text based file.

-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.

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Re: making the switch

2017-04-07 Thread Joshua Kennedy via Talk


no they updated the android version a few weeks ago.



On 4/7/2017 9:11 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
The reason I ask, it's my understanding there hasn't been a update to 
the android version in a very long time?


-Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:39 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.



On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected 
epub. Supported File Formats
PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 
audiobooks,

Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from 
both bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream 
reader is supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using 
Neospeech or Ivona.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
booksense

when reading any text based file.

-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a 
lot.



Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with 
it?  I

hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses 
taking

over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games 
such

as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-07 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

The reason I ask, it's my understanding there hasn't been a update to the 
android version in a very long time?

-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Kennedy

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:39 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.

On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected 
epub. Supported File Formats

PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks,
Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both 
bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader is 
supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
booksense

when reading any text based file.

-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com

On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.

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RE: making the switch

2017-04-06 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Russ, even if Voice Dream Reader DOES NOT do all you wish for, the Android
platform has so many apps that are either free or inexpensive that will fit
the bill!  That, I believe, is what sets Android apart in so many ways!  For
example, I have a PDF-TO-SPEECH app that will read PDF formatted documents
and files!  For EPub books, I use Google Playbooks and it is accessible.  I
use the Kindle app to read Kindle books.  I don't have bookshare, but I
guarantee you that if I download a book from bookshare as an MP3 formatted
file or even text, I shall be able to read it with no problems.  

With respect to the Amazon Fire, please note that it is NOT A PURE Android
tablet.  Amazon, like all other manufacturers/developers who are Android
enthusiasts, has added its own bells and whistles.  The Amazon Fire DOES NOT
come with Talkback preinstalled; however, it has Voice Views!  Google Play
Services will need to be installed on the Amazon Fire before you can install
Talkback.  

Before you buy though, if you live close to a computer store such as
BestBuy, please take a trip there and play with the Fire!  Also, please
understand that Android and iOS are vastly different in terms of
accessibility.  On Android, multiple finger taps are "truly" not there; Two
finger taps are not very common, a single finger tap for the most part will
launch an app if you set things correctly.  Yes, you can swipe left or
right, but this does not have to be done all the time.  Learning Android
will require a good dose of patience, but I am certain you'll do well at
that.  All in all, Android is fun; its openness and the vast array of
choices are what has attracted me to it!  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado



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RE: making the switch

2017-04-06 Thread Steve Nutt via Talk

Hi,

I don't think it reads Apple Pages files on the Android version, but I could
be wrong.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: 06 April 2017 15:39
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: making the switch

I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.



On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
> Does it do all of the following?
>
> With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected 
> epub. Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 
> text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as 
> LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, 
> Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML, What's nice 
> about voice dream reader, you can download books from both bookshare 
> and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader 
> is supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or 
> Ivona.
> I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
> booksense when reading any text based file.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: making the switch
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> voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.
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>> How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  
>> I hear that the ios version is much better!
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: making the switch
>>
>> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA 
>> galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact 
>> I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses 
>> taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from 
>> the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing 
>> games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes 
>> game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet 
>> even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.
>>
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RE: making the switch

2017-04-06 Thread Steve Nutt via Talk

Hi,

Kindle fire is not the best example of Android, it is somewhat modified.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 06 April 2017 14:22
To: Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: making the switch

The Tablet I'm thinking about getting is the Kindle Fire.  This way I can
get a feel for android and have access to Alexa.

-Original Message-
From: Tony C
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:00 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

I think it is really amatter of which one a person becomes proficient with.
I do know the talk Back speeech has quite a few keyboard commands, and that
it reads web pages quite well, it works with the video streaming apps ie:
Netflix, Slink, etc. And for $80 you could hardly go wrong as far as getting
one to try and learn and then later get a bigg nore powerful one.

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:20 AM
To: Joshua Kennedy ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo
pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go
almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the
system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using
different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting
kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix
and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using
a very nice app called tubio.


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RE: making the switch

2017-04-06 Thread Steve Nutt via Talk

Hi,

Voice Dream for Android is even better in that you can use even more voices.
I have Eloquence for Android.  Try that on the iPhone.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: 06 April 2017 14:18
To: Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: making the switch

Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare,  unprotected epub.

Supported File Formats
PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks,
Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both
bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream
reader is supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or
Ivona.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a booksense
when reading any text based file.

-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.

Sent with AquaMail for Android
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On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  
> I hear that the ios version is much better!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: making the switch
>
> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA 
> galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact 
> I can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses 
> taking over the system. And I like playing with different apps from 
> the app store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing 
> games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes 
> game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even 
> interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.
>
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Re: making the switch

2017-04-06 Thread Joshua Kennedy via Talk


I have not tested all those file types, but I think it probably would.



On 4/6/2017 9:18 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare, unprotected 
epub. Supported File Formats

PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks,
Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both 
bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader 
is supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or 
Ivona.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
booksense

when reading any text based file.

-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.


Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:


How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-06 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

The Tablet I'm thinking about getting is the Kindle Fire.  This way I can 
get a feel for android and have access to Alexa.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C

Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:00 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

I think it is really amatter of which one a person becomes proficient with.
I do know the talk Back speeech has quite a few keyboard commands, and that
it reads web pages quite well, it works with the video streaming apps ie:
Netflix, Slink, etc. And for $80 you could hardly go wrong as far as getting
one to try and learn and then later get a bigg nore powerful one.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:20 AM
To: Joshua Kennedy ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.

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Re: making the switch

2017-04-06 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk


Does it do all of the following?

With voice dream reader, I can read books from bookshare,  unprotected epub. 
Supported File Formats

PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks, DAISY 2.02 audiobooks,
Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich Text Format (RTF),
Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple Keynote, HTML,
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both 
bookshare
and Project Gutenberg directly to your ios device.  Voice dream reader is 
supplied with Acapela.  You have the optionof using Neospeech or Ivona.

I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a booksense
when reading any text based file.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:22 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.


Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:


How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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RE: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Portia, it is a bit pricey on Amazon.  There's better pricing at Walmart!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Charles, The RCA Galileo Pro is an Android tablet.  I just acquired one and,
it's the best dollar I ever spent thus far!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk

I agree with much of what you say Brian.

At work: Outlook would freeze on at least three occasions during the working 
day whilst running Window-eyes.  Does not happen now that I am running JFW.  I 
think that, regardless of screen readers, Internet Explorer is just beoming a 
lemon.

In New Zealand: I never had any Window-eyes support; got something of a deal 
whereby I could purchase over the phone, but that is not the way to transact 
business securely in an international market anymore.

Window-Eyes stays on my home pc, but notice that I'm not relying on it that 
much.  Would take something fantastic to be offered with a new release before I 
would purchase.

Vaughan.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Brian Moore via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2017 2:38 a.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

Hi Jim.  the really big thing was really frequent silence when web browsers 
would get stuck.  This also happened a lot with outlook which I am forced to 
use at work.

We had the best calendar interface I have still ever seen for outlook, 
particularly when you work in a large org like I do and need to use it 
frequently but when I closed outlook, it would often go silent and I would have 
to fire up nvda to recover. Also, the lack of mouse key review in windows 8.1 
and 10 made screen review things quite difficult.

I downloaded the free version of 9.5.4 since my licensed copy is only
9.1 and it does seem a little better.  I would probably pay the 50 bucks to 
upgrade it but not when I have to wait for some dealer to buy it, put a mark up 
on it and then allow me to download it at some later date.  
Used to be able to order online or call up gwmicro and they would take my 
credit card number on the phone and we would be good but no longer.

I used to work at a local dealer and was their we expert and pushed it whenever 
I could but it doesn't seem quite as good to me anymore.

Brian.

On 04/04/2017 10:16 AM, Jim wrote:
>
>  Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you 
> though, I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with 
> WE.  I would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no 
> longer does efficiently.  I have for the most part found each 
> subsequent release of WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a 
> few things that I would like to see it do, but those things I cannot 
> do with NVDA or Narator either.  Just curious as to your issues with WE?
>
> THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
> .
> On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
>> Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While 
>> I still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
>> browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
>> everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
>> in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
>> forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
>> and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
>> it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
>> time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things 
>> I would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
>> stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  
>> I have not even tried it on windows 10.
>>
>>
>> Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
>> upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for 
>> some third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth 
>> the head ache anymore..
>>
>>
>> I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
>> customer but 9.1 will be the last version I own.
>>
>>
>> Brian.
>>
>>
>> On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>> Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
>>> and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?
>>>
>>> And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
>>> miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
>>> how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system 
>>> can be.
>>>
>>> Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
>>> things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.
>>> And
>>> yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
>>> have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
>>> characteristic, but for

RE: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Steve Nutt via Talk

Hi Dave,

I use Android completely pretty much to run my business.  It is now great.
I am also totally blind.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: 05 April 2017 01:14
To: Joshua Kennedy <joshknnd1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: making the switch

Hello Joshua,

Are you Totally Blind, or are you able to use some vision while operating
your Android Tablet?  

I keep thinking of getting a Tablet, mostly because Android systems seem
to be affordable, rather than something from Apple that isn't.What's
a New Apple I-Pad going for these days?More than $80.  


Grumpy Dave


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RE: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Steve Nutt via Talk

Wow, I've been using Talkback for about three years, it works fine.  It
wasn't so good then, but it's as good as iOS now.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: 05 April 2017 02:01
To: Joshua Kennedy <joshknnd1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: making the switch

does talkback work with netflix or the android app store?
i only tried it with the chrome browser last year and i couldn't evenuse the
app store to download apps.

-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

it is an RCA galileo pro you can get at walmart for $80. It runs android
6.0. It runs the talkback screen reader. It has a physical keyboard you
can put the tablet on top of and then it becomes a hinged laptop.
talkback has a good number of keyboard commands.

On 4/4/2017 7:02 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
> just curious, what kind of tablet is this? I would be interested in
learning 
> more about them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo

>> pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go 
>> almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over
the 
>> system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using 
>> different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting 
>> kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching
netflix 
>> and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box
using 
>> a very nice app called tubio.
>>
>>
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RE: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Steve Nutt via Talk

Shift control Escape to read dialogs?  I haven't heard that one.  Try
control shift W.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: 04 April 2017 18:55
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: making the switch

w e, is falling way behind since they were taken over.
i hope its just because they are waiting for windows 10 creator to come out.
***
pop up dialogs that don't speak, even when useing shift control escape to
read them.
its worse with windows 10
includeing the u a c.
buttons that don't say what they are. like with itunes when i want to hide
the apps i don't want to show in the perchased list.
not being able to open the firefox bookmark list with control i without w e
hanghing. i have to turn auto load and browse mode off before i open it.
then w e will not hang.
not being able to get the food prices when useing the safeway.com site to
buy groceries. it only says price and price in the search results. i have to
turn brows mode off on every item in the list to get the prices.
i can not even use the delivery schedual because i don't know where i am in
the list.
nvda works for all of these issues.
my speach synth neo speech  and ivona keeps re reading web page  text over
and over again with read to end. speech stops where ever there is several
blank lines between paragraphs.  this happens with notepad, adobe reader,
firefox,wlm and i e 11.
i have to keep pressing the read to end keys to continue reading the pages.
this started when browse mode was re written a few years ago.
it does this with both windows 7 and 10.
the only synth that does not do this is elaquence reed. it will read to the
end of the pages non stop.
i can use both synths with nvda and this does not happen.
the list goes on and on.

-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 7:16 AM
To: Brian Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

  Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though, I
really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE.  I would be
interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does efficiently.  I
have for the most part found each subsequent release of WE to be
considerably improved.  Oh, there are a few things that I would like to see
it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator either. Just
curious as to your issues with WE?

THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
.
On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
> Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I 
> still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
> browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
> everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
> in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
> forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
> and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
> it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
> time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things I 
> would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
> stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I
have not even tried it on windows 10.
>
>
> Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
> upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some 
> third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the head
ache anymore..
>
>
> I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
> customer but
> 9.1 will be the last version I own.
>
>
> Brian.
>
>
> On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:
>> Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple 
>> Mac, and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you
think?
>>
>> And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
>> miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
>> how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.
>>
>> Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
>> things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
>> yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
>> have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this 
>> characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read 
>> are smaller.
>>
>> In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much 
>> access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all 
>> be seriously looking at Narrator.
>&g

RE: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Steve Nutt via Talk

Hi,

This also happens with JAWS, so I'm sure it's an IE thing.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: 04 April 2017 15:23
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: making the switch

The only problem I have consistently is that IE stops responding, this
problem seems to have increased in frequency, but I doubt that this is cause
by WE. I use email constantly all day and I never have a problem.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim via Talk 
  To: Brian Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: making the switch


Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though, 
  I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE.  I 
  would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does 
  efficiently.  I have for the most part found each subsequent release of 
  WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a few things that I would 
  like to see it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator 
  either. Just curious as to your issues with WE?

  THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
  .
  On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
  > Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I 
  > still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
  > browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
  > everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
  > in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
  > forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
  > and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
  > it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
  > time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things I 
  > would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
  > stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I 
  > have not even tried it on windows 10.
  >
  >
  > Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
  > upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some 
  > third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the 
  > head ache anymore..
  >
  >
  > I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
  > customer but 9.1 will be the last version I own.
  >
  >
  > Brian.
  >
  >
  > On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:
  >> Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
  >> and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?
  >>
  >> And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
  >> miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
  >> how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can 
  >> be.
  >>
  >> Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
  >> things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.
And
  >> yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
  >> have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
  >> characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read
are
  >> smaller.
  >>
  >> In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
  >> access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all
be
  >> seriously looking at Narrator.
  >>
  >> And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
  >> red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And
  >> others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, 
  >> which
  >> puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
  >> Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
  >> user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.
  >>
  >> So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts,
and
  >> what you actually need the system to do for you.
  >>
  >> Grumpy Dave
  >>
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Re: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Tony C via Talk

I think it is really amatter of which one a person becomes proficient with. 
I do know the talk Back speeech has quite a few keyboard commands, and that 
it reads web pages quite well, it works with the video streaming apps ie: 
Netflix, Slink, etc. And for $80 you could hardly go wrong as far as getting 
one to try and learn and then later get a bigg nore powerful one.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:20 AM
To: Joshua Kennedy ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: making the switch

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk


voice dream reader for the android works very very good. I like it a lot.


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On April 5, 2017 10:20:36 "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:


How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

How well does the android version of voice dream reader work with it?  I 
hear that the ios version is much better!

-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: making the switch

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.

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Re: making the switch

2017-04-05 Thread Michael Fridey via Talk

I have had a macbook for 6 years and love it.
And just brought a new macbook air few weeks back its great.
So far voiceover does not crash and reads all the web sites i visit.
cheers Michael. 
> On 4 Apr 2017, at 11:45 pm, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> 
> Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
> and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?  
> 
> And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
> miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
> how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.  
> 
> Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
> things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
> yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
> have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
> characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
> smaller.  
> 
> In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
> access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
> seriously looking at Narrator.  
> 
> And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
> red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while.  And
> others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, which
> puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
> Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
> user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.  
> 
> So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
> what you actually need the system to do for you.  
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 
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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Brenda via Talk

To read pop-up dialogs like at my bank (well, until today when it 
wouldn't read)


I think I use cntrl-shift-w and then press w again quickly while holding 
cntrl-shift.



Isn't cntrl-shift-escape the command to get the task manager?


could be the bank has  changed something - times are changing, W-E is not.


brenda


On 4/4/2017 1:54 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

w e, is falling way behind since they were taken over.
i hope its just because they are waiting for windows 10 creator to 
come out.

***
pop up dialogs that don't speak, even when useing shift control escape 
to read them.

its worse with windows 10
includeing the u a c.
buttons that don't say what they are. like with itunes when i want to 
hide the apps i don't want to show in the perchased list.
not being able to open the firefox bookmark list with control i 
without w e hanghing. i have to turn auto load and browse mode off 
before i open it. then w e will not hang.
not being able to get the food prices when useing the safeway.com site 
to buy groceries. it only says price and price in the search results. 
i have to turn brows mode off on every item in the list to get the 
prices.
i can not even use the delivery schedual because i don't know where i 
am in the list.

nvda works for all of these issues.
my speach synth neo speech  and ivona keeps re reading web page text 
over and over again with read to end. speech stops where ever there is 
several blank lines between paragraphs.  this happens with notepad, 
adobe reader, firefox,wlm and i e 11.
i have to keep pressing the read to end keys to continue reading the 
pages.

this started when browse mode was re written a few years ago.
it does this with both windows 7 and 10.
the only synth that does not do this is elaquence reed. it will read 
to the end of the pages non stop.

i can use both synths with nvda and this does not happen.
the list goes on and on.


-Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 7:16 AM
To: Brian Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

 Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though,
I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE. I
would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does
efficiently.  I have for the most part found each subsequent release of
WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a few things that I would
like to see it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator
either. Just curious as to your issues with WE?

THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
.
On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While 
I still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things 
I would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  
I have not even tried it on windows 10.



Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for 
some third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth 
the head ache anymore..



I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
customer but 9.1 will be the last version I own.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system 
can be.


Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.
And

yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read 
are

smaller.

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would 
all be

seriously looking at Narrator.

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, 
which

puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out

Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

yes talkback works with netflix very good and it also works with the app 
store very good also.



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On April 4, 2017 21:02:06 "net bat" <net...@comcast.net> wrote:


does talkback work with netflix or the android app store?
i only tried it with the chrome browser last year and i couldn't evenuse the
app store to download apps.


-Original Message-
From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
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To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

it is an RCA galileo pro you can get at walmart for $80. It runs android
6.0. It runs the talkback screen reader. It has a physical keyboard you
can put the tablet on top of and then it becomes a hinged laptop.
talkback has a good number of keyboard commands.



On 4/4/2017 7:02 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:

just curious, what kind of tablet is this? I would be interested in learning
more about them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo
pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go
almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the
system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using
different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting
kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix
and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using
a very nice app called tubio.


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Portia Scott via Talk

Yes it does.
> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:01 PM, net bat via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> does talkback work with netflix or the android app store?
> i only tried it with the chrome browser last year and i couldn't evenuse the 
> app store to download apps.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:05 PM
> To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: making the switch
> 
> it is an RCA galileo pro you can get at walmart for $80. It runs android
> 6.0. It runs the talkback screen reader. It has a physical keyboard you
> can put the tablet on top of and then it becomes a hinged laptop.
> talkback has a good number of keyboard commands.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/4/2017 7:02 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
>> just curious, what kind of tablet is this? I would be interested in learning 
>> more about them.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo 
>>> pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go 
>>> almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the 
>>> system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using 
>>> different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting 
>>> kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix 
>>> and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box 
>>> using a very nice app called tubio.
>>> 
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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread net bat via Talk


does talkback work with netflix or the android app store?
i only tried it with the chrome browser last year and i couldn't evenuse the 
app store to download apps.



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From: Joshua Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

it is an RCA galileo pro you can get at walmart for $80. It runs android
6.0. It runs the talkback screen reader. It has a physical keyboard you
can put the tablet on top of and then it becomes a hinged laptop.
talkback has a good number of keyboard commands.



On 4/4/2017 7:02 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
just curious, what kind of tablet is this? I would be interested in learning 
more about them.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo 
pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go 
almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the 
system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using 
different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting 
kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix 
and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using 
a very nice app called tubio.



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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Portia Scott via Talk

Oh, okay. I will have to investigate this tablet again, when I next go on 
Amazon. As I no longer have an android phone as my primary, this would be 
awesome for me. That way I can still use all my apps, LOL.

Anyway, take care.

Blessed be,

Portia.
> On Apr 4, 2017, at 5:29 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> oh yes it is definitely worth it I think. in fact I am writing these emails 
> to you using my tablet right now.
> 
> 
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> On April 4, 2017 20:24:51 Portia Scott <pscott1...@aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> I know this topic is OT, but you can also pick this up at Amazon as well. 
>> Was going to get one, but wasn't sure if it was worth it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> it is an RCA galileo pro you can get at walmart for $80. It runs android 
>>> 6.0. It runs the talkback screen reader. It has a physical keyboard you can 
>>> put the tablet on top of and then it becomes a hinged laptop. talkback has 
>>> a good number of keyboard commands.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/4/2017 7:02 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
>>>> just curious, what kind of tablet is this? I would be interested in 
>>>> learning more about them.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
>>>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo 
>>>>> pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go 
>>>>> almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over 
>>>>> the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, 
>>>>> using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as 
>>>>> crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and 
>>>>> watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with 
>>>>> my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.
>>>>> 
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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk

oh yes it is definitely worth it I think. in fact I am writing these emails 
to you using my tablet right now.




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On April 4, 2017 20:24:51 Portia Scott <pscott1...@aol.com> wrote:

I know this topic is OT, but you can also pick this up at Amazon as well. 
Was going to get one, but wasn't sure if it was worth it.


Portia.
On Apr 4, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


it is an RCA galileo pro you can get at walmart for $80. It runs android 
6.0. It runs the talkback screen reader. It has a physical keyboard you can 
put the tablet on top of and then it becomes a hinged laptop. talkback has 
a good number of keyboard commands.




On 4/4/2017 7:02 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
just curious, what kind of tablet is this? I would be interested in 
learning more about them.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo 
pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go 
almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the 
system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using 
different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting 
kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix 
and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box 
using a very nice app called tubio.



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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Portia Scott via Talk

I know this topic is OT, but you can also pick this up at Amazon as well. Was 
going to get one, but wasn't sure if it was worth it.

Portia.
> On Apr 4, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> it is an RCA galileo pro you can get at walmart for $80. It runs android 6.0. 
> It runs the talkback screen reader. It has a physical keyboard you can put 
> the tablet on top of and then it becomes a hinged laptop. talkback has a good 
> number of keyboard commands.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/4/2017 7:02 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:
>> just curious, what kind of tablet is this? I would be interested in learning 
>> more about them.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo 
>>> pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go 
>>> almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the 
>>> system. And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using 
>>> different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting 
>>> kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix 
>>> and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box 
>>> using a very nice app called tubio.
>>> 
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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Josh Kennedy via Talk


Hi Dave,
I am in fact, totally blind. Talkback is a great screen reader built into 
the RCA android tablets if you are, like me, totally blind. and if you have 
a braille display that is bluetooth you can install brailleback and use 
braille, and install soft braille keyboard and write braille on the touch 
screen. I really really like my $80 tablet a whole lot and it is the RCA 
galileo pro.


Josh


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On April 4, 2017 20:14:16 Dave  wrote:


Hello Joshua,

Are you Totally Blind, or are you able to use some vision while
operating your Android Tablet?

I keep thinking of getting a Tablet, mostly because Android systems seem
to be affordable, rather than something from Apple that isn't.What's
a New Apple I-Pad going for these days?More than $80.


Grumpy Dave


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Dave via Talk

Hello Joshua,

Are you Totally Blind, or are you able to use some vision while
operating your Android Tablet?  

I keep thinking of getting a Tablet, mostly because Android systems seem
to be affordable, rather than something from Apple that isn't.What's
a New Apple I-Pad going for these days?More than $80.  


Grumpy Dave


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Joshua Kennedy via Talk

it is an RCA galileo pro you can get at walmart for $80. It runs android 
6.0. It runs the talkback screen reader. It has a physical keyboard you 
can put the tablet on top of and then it becomes a hinged laptop. 
talkback has a good number of keyboard commands.




On 4/4/2017 7:02 PM, Charles Adkins wrote:

just curious, what kind of tablet is this? I would be interested in learning 
more about them.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo pro 
android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go almost 
anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the system. And 
I like playing with different apps from the app store, using different voices 
such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting kingdom and pirates and 
traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix and using other tv apps. My 
tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Charles Adkins via Talk

just curious, what kind of tablet is this? I would be interested in learning 
more about them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Joshua Kennedy via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA galileo pro 
> android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I can go almost 
> anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking over the system. 
> And I like playing with different apps from the app store, using different 
> voices such as acapela voices, playing games such as crafting kingdom and 
> pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and watching netflix and using 
> other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with my apple tv box using a very 
> nice app called tubio.
> 
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making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Joshua Kennedy via Talk

I am very happy making the switch for the most part to my $80 RCA 
galileo pro android marshmallow tablet laptop hybrid. I love the fact I 
can go almost anywhere on the web without fear of windows viruses taking 
over the system. And I like playing with different apps from the app 
store, using different voices such as acapela voices, playing games such 
as crafting kingdom and pirates and traders, and pontes game zone and 
watching netflix and using other tv apps. My tablet even interacts with 
my apple tv box using a very nice app called tubio.



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making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Joshua Kennedy via Talk


hi

I use an RCA galileo pro tablet with physical keyboard magnetic keyboard 
dock as a secondary in case this 10 year old laptop dies. The galileo 
pro runs android 6.0 marshmallow. I find websites load faster and work 
better than they do on the computer. And for $80 united states dollars 
you can't beat that. And if I want I can detach the screen from the 
keyboard and just use it as a plain old touch screen tablet. But usually 
I keep it attached to the keyboard in laptop mode because talkback has a 
lot of handy keyboard shortcuts that I use.



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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Tony C via Talk

I'm not in a big hurry.I want to learn the Mac anyway, but WE works maybe 
"fair" with windows 10, and that is being generous. There's been an ongoing 
issue with WLM for the last 6 years and it still barely works with WLM. 
Being loyal is one thing being dumb enough to keep buying SMA's and then 
everytime you have an issue , it's always the same issue in the end. They 
tell you it's a   Windows problem or the website isn't accessible. That 
doesn't fly when you can use that very website with NVDA, etc



gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

w e, is falling way behind since they were taken over.
i hope its just because they are waiting for windows 10 creator to come out.
***
pop up dialogs that don't speak, even when useing shift control escape to 
read

them.
its worse with windows 10
includeing the u a c.
buttons that don't say what they are. like with itunes when i want to hide 
the

apps i don't want to show in the perchased list.
not being able to open the firefox bookmark list with control i without w e
hanghing. i have to turn auto load and browse mode off before i open it. 
then w

e will not hang.
not being able to get the food prices when useing the safeway.com site to 
buy
groceries. it only says price and price in the search results. i have to 
turn

brows mode off on every item in the list to get the prices.
i can not even use the delivery schedual because i don't know where i am in 
the

list.
nvda works for all of these issues.
my speach synth neo speech  and ivona keeps re reading web page  text over 
and

over again with read to end. speech stops where ever there is several blank
lines between paragraphs.  this happens with notepad, adobe reader, 
firefox,wlm

and i e 11.
i have to keep pressing the read to end keys to continue reading the pages.
this started when browse mode was re written a few years ago.
it does this with both windows 7 and 10.
the only synth that does not do this is elaquence reed. it will read to the 
end

of the pages non stop.
i can use both synths with nvda and this does not happen.
the list goes on and on.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 7:16 AM
To: Brian Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

 Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though,
I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE.  I
would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does
efficiently.  I have for the most part found each subsequent release of
WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a few things that I would
like to see it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator
either. Just curious as to your issues with WE?

THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
.
On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I 
still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web browsing 
and working with email which is something I do a lot of everyday.  I have 
gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased in performance since 
version 7. While there have been some steps forward certainly, there have 
also been a lot more frequent lock ups and things which just won't read. 
At this point, I have uninstalled it from all but one of my machines and 
use NVDA pretty much all the time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and 
there are still some things I would argue that we does far better but nvda 
for me is very very stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as 
we was doing.  I have not even tried it on windows 10.



Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my upgrade 
online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some third party 
to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the head ache 
anymore..



I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy customer 
but 9.1 will be the last version I own.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.

Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
smaller.

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
seriously looking at Narrator.

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use

Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread net bat via Talk


w e, is falling way behind since they were taken over.
i hope its just because they are waiting for windows 10 creator to come out.
***
pop up dialogs that don't speak, even when useing shift control escape to read 
them.

its worse with windows 10
includeing the u a c.
buttons that don't say what they are. like with itunes when i want to hide the 
apps i don't want to show in the perchased list.
not being able to open the firefox bookmark list with control i without w e 
hanghing. i have to turn auto load and browse mode off before i open it. then w 
e will not hang.
not being able to get the food prices when useing the safeway.com site to buy 
groceries. it only says price and price in the search results. i have to turn 
brows mode off on every item in the list to get the prices.
i can not even use the delivery schedual because i don't know where i am in the 
list.

nvda works for all of these issues.
my speach synth neo speech  and ivona keeps re reading web page  text over and 
over again with read to end. speech stops where ever there is several blank 
lines between paragraphs.  this happens with notepad, adobe reader, firefox,wlm 
and i e 11.

i have to keep pressing the read to end keys to continue reading the pages.
this started when browse mode was re written a few years ago.
it does this with both windows 7 and 10.
the only synth that does not do this is elaquence reed. it will read to the end 
of the pages non stop.

i can use both synths with nvda and this does not happen.
the list goes on and on.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 7:16 AM
To: Brian Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch

 Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though,
I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE.  I
would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does
efficiently.  I have for the most part found each subsequent release of
WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a few things that I would
like to see it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator
either. Just curious as to your issues with WE?

THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
.
On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I still 
use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web browsing and 
working with email which is something I do a lot of everyday.  I have gone 
back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased in performance since version 
7. While there have been some steps forward certainly, there have also been a 
lot more frequent lock ups and things which just won't read.  At this point, 
I have uninstalled it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty 
much all the time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some 
things I would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I have 
not even tried it on windows 10.



Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my upgrade 
online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some third party to 
order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the head ache anymore..



I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy customer but 
9.1 will be the last version I own.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.

Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
smaller.

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
seriously looking at Narrator.

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, which
puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.

So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
what you actually need the system to do for you.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Kevin Huber via Talk

Hi Brian:
I use the Window-eyes for Office version, and I do find that there are
some lockups and things that don't work as well, so I use NVDA for
those things.  I have Windows 10 at the office and NVDA works well
with it.  The nice thing about NVDA is, first of all, it is
open-source and several programmers around the world make
improvements.  Of course, a change or addition to the code cannot be
made without the blessing of NV-Access, but each new version that
comes out has changes that were suggested by users of the product.
Listen to the latest episode of the NVAccess podcast at:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/podcast-episode-9/
Kevin Huber
On 4/4/17, Brian Moore via Talk  wrote:
> Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I
> still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web
> browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of
> everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased in
> performance since version 7.  While there have been some steps forward
> certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups and things
> which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled it from all
> but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the time.  Sure, it
> was a learning curve and there are still some things I would argue that
> we does far better but nvda for me is very very stable and doesn't lock
> up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I have not even tried it on
> windows 10.
>
>
> Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my upgrade
> online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some third
> party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the head ache
> anymore..
>
>
> I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy customer
> but 9.1 will be the last version I own.
>
>
> Brian.
>
>
> On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:
>> Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
>> and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?
>>
>> And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
>> miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
>> how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.
>>
>> Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
>> things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
>> yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
>> have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
>> characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
>> smaller.
>>
>> In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
>> access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
>> seriously looking at Narrator.
>>
>> And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
>> red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while.  And
>> others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, which
>> puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
>> Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
>> user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.
>>
>> So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
>> what you actually need the system to do for you.
>>
>> Grumpy Dave
>>
>>
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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Brian Moore via Talk

Hi Jim.  the really big thing was really frequent silence when web 
browsers would get stuck.  This also happened a lot with outlook which I 
am forced to use at work.



We had the best calendar interface I have still ever seen for outlook, 
particularly when you work in a large org like I do and need to use it 
frequently but when I closed outlook, it would often go silent and I 
would have to fire up nvda to recover. Also, the lack of mouse key 
review in windows 8.1 and 10 made screen review things quite difficult.



I downloaded the free version of 9.5.4 since my licensed copy is only 
9.1 and it does seem a little better.  I would probably pay the 50 bucks 
to upgrade it but not when I have to wait for some dealer to buy it, put 
a mark up on it and then allow me to download it at some later date.  
Used to be able to order online or call up gwmicro and they would take 
my credit card number on the phone and we would be good but no longer.



I used to work at a local dealer and was their we expert and pushed it 
whenever I could but it doesn't seem quite as good to me anymore.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 10:16 AM, Jim wrote:


 Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you 
though, I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with 
WE.  I would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no 
longer does efficiently.  I have for the most part found each 
subsequent release of WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a 
few things that I would like to see it do, but those things I cannot 
do with NVDA or Narator either.  Just curious as to your issues with WE?


THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
.
On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While 
I still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things 
I would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  
I have not even tried it on windows 10.



Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for 
some third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth 
the head ache anymore..



I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
customer but 9.1 will be the last version I own.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system 
can be.


Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.
And

yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read 
are

smaller.

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would 
all be

seriously looking at Narrator.

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, 
which

puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.

So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, 
and

what you actually need the system to do for you.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk

Great idea!  Also, some of us are pushing our systems to play games like 
Flight Simulator - play hard and work hard.  FS uses a different means 
whereby you actually fly the plane by issuing voice commands.  But 
that's another topic.  Point is, now that we have all this hardware, 
push it for all it's worth.  after all, it's a major investment, and 
like our sighted counterparts, we should get our money's worth.  Just my 
thoughts.--Matthew Chao





On 4/4/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.

Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
smaller.

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
seriously looking at Narrator.

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while.  And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, which
puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.

So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
what you actually need the system to do for you.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Loy via Talk

The only problem I have consistently is that IE stops responding, this problem 
seems to have increased in frequency, but I doubt that this is cause  by WE. I 
use email constantly all day and I never have a problem.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim via Talk 
  To: Brian Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: making the switch


Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though, 
  I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE.  I 
  would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does 
  efficiently.  I have for the most part found each subsequent release of 
  WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a few things that I would 
  like to see it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator 
  either. Just curious as to your issues with WE?

  THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
  .
  On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
  > Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I 
  > still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
  > browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
  > everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
  > in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
  > forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
  > and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
  > it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
  > time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things I 
  > would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
  > stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I 
  > have not even tried it on windows 10.
  >
  >
  > Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
  > upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some 
  > third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the 
  > head ache anymore..
  >
  >
  > I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
  > customer but 9.1 will be the last version I own.
  >
  >
  > Brian.
  >
  >
  > On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:
  >> Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
  >> and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?
  >>
  >> And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
  >> miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
  >> how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can 
  >> be.
  >>
  >> Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
  >> things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
  >> yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
  >> have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
  >> characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
  >> smaller.
  >>
  >> In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
  >> access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
  >> seriously looking at Narrator.
  >>
  >> And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
  >> red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And
  >> others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, 
  >> which
  >> puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
  >> Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
  >> user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.
  >>
  >> So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
  >> what you actually need the system to do for you.
  >>
  >> Grumpy Dave
  >>
  >>
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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Jim via Talk

 Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though, 
I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE.  I 
would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does 
efficiently.  I have for the most part found each subsequent release of 
WE to be considerably improved.  Oh, there are a few things that I would 
like to see it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator 
either. Just curious as to your issues with WE?


THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
.
On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I 
still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased 
in performance since version 7. While there have been some steps 
forward certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups 
and things which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled 
it from all but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the 
time.  Sure, it was a learning curve and there are still some things I 
would argue that we does far better but nvda for me is very very 
stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I 
have not even tried it on windows 10.



Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my 
upgrade online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some 
third party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the 
head ache anymore..



I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy 
customer but 9.1 will be the last version I own.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can 
be.


Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
smaller.

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
seriously looking at Narrator.

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, 
which

puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.

So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
what you actually need the system to do for you.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Brian Moore via Talk

Hi.  I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I 
still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web 
browsing and working with email which is something I do a lot of 
everyday.  I have gone back to a pc.  In my opinion, we has decreased in 
performance since version 7.  While there have been some steps forward 
certainly, there have also been a lot more frequent lock ups and things 
which just won't read.  At this point, I have uninstalled it from all 
but one of my machines and use NVDA pretty much all the time.  Sure, it 
was a learning curve and there are still some things I would argue that 
we does far better but nvda for me is very very stable and doesn't lock 
up or crash nearly as much as we was doing.  I have not even tried it on 
windows 10.



Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my upgrade 
online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some third 
party to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the head ache 
anymore..



I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy customer 
but 9.1 will be the last version I own.



Brian.


On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.

Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
smaller.

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
seriously looking at Narrator.

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while.  And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, which
puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.

So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
what you actually need the system to do for you.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: making the switch

2017-04-04 Thread Dave via Talk

Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?  

And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude.Not hardly.  Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.  

Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not.And
yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read.I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
smaller.  

In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible.  Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
seriously looking at Narrator.  

And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies.  Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while.  And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, which
puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.  

So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
what you actually need the system to do for you.  

Grumpy Dave


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