Re: windows 10 start menu

[net bat via Talk]

you don't have to do this. another way yto do the same thing.
make sure you are on the desktop and press alt f4. this will open the same shut 
down dialog.


-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 5:19 PM
To: gw micro
Subject: windows 10 start menu

Hello, after win 10 updated itself, it left my laptop rearranged. Does
anyone know how to make changes to the start menu, or how to set it back
to its defaults? For example, from the search box, I used to up arrow
twice to get to the power settings menu where I could shut down the
computer, or put it to sleep, etcetera, , but that is no longer on the
menu. All help is appreciated.

Butch

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windows 10 start menu

[BK via Talk]

Hello, after win 10 updated itself, it left my laptop rearranged. Does
anyone know how to make changes to the start menu, or how to set it back
to its defaults? For example, from the search box, I used to up arrow
twice to get to the power settings menu where I could shut down the
computer, or put it to sleep, etcetera, , but that is no longer on the
menu. All help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

[michael's emails via Talk]

thats normal Russ micro soft is ment to fix it.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 12:37 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

Has anyone run across the problem when doing a search in the windows 10 
start menu that Window Eyes won’t always read the results wen arrowing up 
and down the search results?

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Re: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

[Tony C via Talk]

Yes, it does it all the time. LOL

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:41 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

Yep, happens a lot.  I thought it was something wrong with
my system, but it would appear i'm not alone.


On 6/19/2016 10:37 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
Has anyone run across the problem when doing a search in the windows 10 
start menu that Window Eyes won’t always read the results wen arrowing up 
and down the search results?

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Re: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

[Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk]

I experience that start menu problem more often than not. Usually, tabbing away 
from and back into the display results edit field makes things talk again.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist\/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
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Re: WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Yep, happens a lot.  I thought it was something wrong with 
my system, but it would appear i'm not alone.



On 6/19/2016 10:37 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Has anyone run across the problem when doing a search in the windows 10 start 
menu that Window Eyes won’t always read the results wen arrowing up and down 
the search results?
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WE with windows 10 start menu search option?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Has anyone run across the problem when doing a search in the windows 10 start 
menu that Window Eyes won’t always read the results wen arrowing up and down 
the search results?
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Easy access to the AI Squared audio archive was RE: Windows 10 start menu tutorial.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Steve,

I've been thinking for quite a while now that it would be very helpful if
all of your audio tutorials and podcasts could be subscribed to via a feed
so that we could have access to them in our favorite podcast player.
Indeed, this was the incentive behind my creation of my Itunes Enhance app,
namely, to be able to use Itunes effectively to play such podcasts, and the
web has tons of them.
I would certainly appreciate it if the quite extensive AI Squared audio
archive could be accessed via Itunes.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Clower via Talk
Sent: March 1, 2016 4:35 AM
To: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu tutorial.

The official Window-Eyes tutorial on our website for free streaming and
download also goes over the Windows 10 start menu as well as a few other
important topics (like how to change the default browser to something which
isn't Edge).


> On Mar 1, 2016, at 2:48 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Press the Windows key.
> You should hear "Cortana, search box, edit."
> 
> You can start typing the name of a program you wish to access. If it's
working correctly the choices should automatically be spoken. For example,
if you type "set" you should hear "Settings, Trusted Windows store app."
> If that's not what you want you should be able to continue typing or arrow
down through the list of suggestions and they should speak as you do so.
Press the Enter key to activate the highlighted item.
> If they don't automatically speak you can hit the Read line hot key after
each arrow key.
> 
> This is a Windows bug. The folks at GW Micro (now AI Squared) can correct
me if I'm wrong, but it has been my impression for many years that their
policy is to try to get Microsoft to fix bugs first so they don't have to
spend the time doing it this week only to see it fixed in the next Windows
update. They already have enough workarounds to write for things that are
completely inaccessible let alone every inconvenience, which by the way,
sighted users have a fair share of as well.
> 
> Okay. Sermon over. Let's access the start menu.
> 
> Press the Windows key and do not enter any text in the search edit box.
> Arrow up once. You should land on the "All Apps" button. Press Enter or
Space bar to activate it.
> 
> This will place you at the top of your programs list. On my system the
current entry is 3D Builder.
> You can arrow down through the list. Currently all items say unselected.
But whatever you are on is selected. Press Enter to activate it.
> 
> There is no first letter jump to handling in this list. But there is an
alternative.
> 
> From any entry in the list Tab once. You will land on a group list. For
instance, if I tab from 3D Builder I land on 0 - 9 group, and if I tab from
calender I land on C group.
> Arrow down or up to the group you want.
> Press Shift-Tab to return to the main list. You will be on the first item
in the group you selected. Arrow up or down as needed.
> 
> Folders will say Program name folder collapsed, unselected, closed, e.g.
Window-Eyes folder, collapsed, unselected, closed.
> Press Enter to open the folder. It will say "Window-Eyes unselected,
expanded." Arrow down and up within that folder.
> To close that folder you must arrow back up to "Window-Eyes folder,
expanded" and press Enter to collapse it.
> If you collapse a folder you can then again arrow up and down the main
list.
> 
> What about Windows apps?
> Press the Windows key, up arrow to the Apps button, and arrow right.
> Apps are in a grid and we currently have no indication to the amount of
apps present or the layout. But it is a simple row and column grid. So you
can simply arrow right or down until you hit the wall and nothing is voiced.
This will show you how many rows and columns there are.
> If you arrow left to the first column and then arrow left again you will
go back into the main start menu. Depending on which row of apps you were in
you may go back to the Apps button, the Power button, or the Account picture
button.
> By the way, I've never used that power button. From the desktop the old
fashioned Alt-F4 still works and gives you all the options, i.e. shutdown,
sleep, restart, etc.
> 
> Whether you're on an app or a program the Application key or Shift-F10
will open a context menu with various options.
> 
> There's probably something I've forgotten. But hopefully this will get you
started and more comfortable with the Windows 10 start menu. Yes, I went
into it kicking and screaming. But now that I know how to use it I don't
mind it at all. Although I am still h

Re: Windows 10 start menu tutorial.

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Sorry, Steve.

I knew it was there somewhere. But of course fate would not allow me to 
find it prior to writing this message. And of course course of course I 
just went back, gave it another shot, and there it was. So for anyone 
interested, here's the link to the entire list of Window-Eyes audio 
tutorials.

http://www.gwmicro.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/

Regards,
Tom


On 3/1/2016 4:34 AM, Steve Clower wrote:

The official Window-Eyes tutorial on our website for free streaming and 
download also goes over the Windows 10 start menu as well as a few other 
important topics (like how to change the default browser to something which 
isn't Edge).



On Mar 1, 2016, at 2:48 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:

Press the Windows key.
You should hear "Cortana, search box, edit."

You can start typing the name of a program you wish to access. If it's working correctly the 
choices should automatically be spoken. For example, if you type "set" you should hear 
"Settings, Trusted Windows store app."
If that's not what you want you should be able to continue typing or arrow down 
through the list of suggestions and they should speak as you do so. Press the 
Enter key to activate the highlighted item.
If they don't automatically speak you can hit the Read line hot key after each 
arrow key.

This is a Windows bug. The folks at GW Micro (now AI Squared) can correct me if 
I'm wrong, but it has been my impression for many years that their policy is to 
try to get Microsoft to fix bugs first so they don't have to spend the time 
doing it this week only to see it fixed in the next Windows update. They 
already have enough workarounds to write for things that are completely 
inaccessible let alone every inconvenience, which by the way, sighted users 
have a fair share of as well.

Okay. Sermon over. Let's access the start menu.

Press the Windows key and do not enter any text in the search edit box.
Arrow up once. You should land on the "All Apps" button. Press Enter or Space 
bar to activate it.

This will place you at the top of your programs list. On my system the current 
entry is 3D Builder.
You can arrow down through the list. Currently all items say unselected. But 
whatever you are on is selected. Press Enter to activate it.

There is no first letter jump to handling in this list. But there is an 
alternative.

 From any entry in the list Tab once. You will land on a group list. For 
instance, if I tab from 3D Builder I land on 0 - 9 group, and if I tab from 
calender I land on C group.
Arrow down or up to the group you want.
Press Shift-Tab to return to the main list. You will be on the first item in 
the group you selected. Arrow up or down as needed.

Folders will say Program name folder collapsed, unselected, closed, e.g. 
Window-Eyes folder, collapsed, unselected, closed.
Press Enter to open the folder. It will say "Window-Eyes unselected, expanded." 
Arrow down and up within that folder.
To close that folder you must arrow back up to "Window-Eyes folder, expanded" 
and press Enter to collapse it.
If you collapse a folder you can then again arrow up and down the main list.

What about Windows apps?
Press the Windows key, up arrow to the Apps button, and arrow right.
Apps are in a grid and we currently have no indication to the amount of apps 
present or the layout. But it is a simple row and column grid. So you can 
simply arrow right or down until you hit the wall and nothing is voiced. This 
will show you how many rows and columns there are.
If you arrow left to the first column and then arrow left again you will go 
back into the main start menu. Depending on which row of apps you were in you 
may go back to the Apps button, the Power button, or the Account picture button.
By the way, I've never used that power button. From the desktop the old 
fashioned Alt-F4 still works and gives you all the options, i.e. shutdown, 
sleep, restart, etc.

Whether you're on an app or a program the Application key or Shift-F10 will 
open a context menu with various options.

There's probably something I've forgotten. But hopefully this will get you 
started and more comfortable with the Windows 10 start menu. Yes, I went into 
it kicking and screaming. But now that I know how to use it I don't mind it at 
all. Although I am still hoping for quick letter jump to handling. Perhaps one 
day.

Regards,
Tom

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Re: Windows 10 start menu tutorial.

[Steve Clower via Talk]

The official Window-Eyes tutorial on our website for free streaming and 
download also goes over the Windows 10 start menu as well as a few other 
important topics (like how to change the default browser to something which 
isn't Edge).


> On Mar 1, 2016, at 2:48 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Press the Windows key.
> You should hear "Cortana, search box, edit."
> 
> You can start typing the name of a program you wish to access. If it's 
> working correctly the choices should automatically be spoken. For example, if 
> you type "set" you should hear "Settings, Trusted Windows store app."
> If that's not what you want you should be able to continue typing or arrow 
> down through the list of suggestions and they should speak as you do so. 
> Press the Enter key to activate the highlighted item.
> If they don't automatically speak you can hit the Read line hot key after 
> each arrow key.
> 
> This is a Windows bug. The folks at GW Micro (now AI Squared) can correct me 
> if I'm wrong, but it has been my impression for many years that their policy 
> is to try to get Microsoft to fix bugs first so they don't have to spend the 
> time doing it this week only to see it fixed in the next Windows update. They 
> already have enough workarounds to write for things that are completely 
> inaccessible let alone every inconvenience, which by the way, sighted users 
> have a fair share of as well.
> 
> Okay. Sermon over. Let's access the start menu.
> 
> Press the Windows key and do not enter any text in the search edit box.
> Arrow up once. You should land on the "All Apps" button. Press Enter or Space 
> bar to activate it.
> 
> This will place you at the top of your programs list. On my system the 
> current entry is 3D Builder.
> You can arrow down through the list. Currently all items say unselected. But 
> whatever you are on is selected. Press Enter to activate it.
> 
> There is no first letter jump to handling in this list. But there is an 
> alternative.
> 
> From any entry in the list Tab once. You will land on a group list. For 
> instance, if I tab from 3D Builder I land on 0 - 9 group, and if I tab from 
> calender I land on C group.
> Arrow down or up to the group you want.
> Press Shift-Tab to return to the main list. You will be on the first item in 
> the group you selected. Arrow up or down as needed.
> 
> Folders will say Program name folder collapsed, unselected, closed, e.g. 
> Window-Eyes folder, collapsed, unselected, closed.
> Press Enter to open the folder. It will say "Window-Eyes unselected, 
> expanded." Arrow down and up within that folder.
> To close that folder you must arrow back up to "Window-Eyes folder, expanded" 
> and press Enter to collapse it.
> If you collapse a folder you can then again arrow up and down the main list.
> 
> What about Windows apps?
> Press the Windows key, up arrow to the Apps button, and arrow right.
> Apps are in a grid and we currently have no indication to the amount of apps 
> present or the layout. But it is a simple row and column grid. So you can 
> simply arrow right or down until you hit the wall and nothing is voiced. This 
> will show you how many rows and columns there are.
> If you arrow left to the first column and then arrow left again you will go 
> back into the main start menu. Depending on which row of apps you were in you 
> may go back to the Apps button, the Power button, or the Account picture 
> button.
> By the way, I've never used that power button. From the desktop the old 
> fashioned Alt-F4 still works and gives you all the options, i.e. shutdown, 
> sleep, restart, etc.
> 
> Whether you're on an app or a program the Application key or Shift-F10 will 
> open a context menu with various options.
> 
> There's probably something I've forgotten. But hopefully this will get you 
> started and more comfortable with the Windows 10 start menu. Yes, I went into 
> it kicking and screaming. But now that I know how to use it I don't mind it 
> at all. Although I am still hoping for quick letter jump to handling. Perhaps 
> one day.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
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Windows 10 start menu tutorial.

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Press the Windows key.
You should hear "Cortana, search box, edit."

You can start typing the name of a program you wish to access. If it's 
working correctly the choices should automatically be spoken. For 
example, if you type "set" you should hear "Settings, Trusted Windows 
store app."
If that's not what you want you should be able to continue typing or 
arrow down through the list of suggestions and they should speak as you 
do so. Press the Enter key to activate the highlighted item.
If they don't automatically speak you can hit the Read line hot key 
after each arrow key.


This is a Windows bug. The folks at GW Micro (now AI Squared) can 
correct me if I'm wrong, but it has been my impression for many years 
that their policy is to try to get Microsoft to fix bugs first so they 
don't have to spend the time doing it this week only to see it fixed in 
the next Windows update. They already have enough workarounds to write 
for things that are completely inaccessible let alone every 
inconvenience, which by the way, sighted users have a fair share of as well.


Okay. Sermon over. Let's access the start menu.

Press the Windows key and do not enter any text in the search edit box.
Arrow up once. You should land on the "All Apps" button. Press Enter or 
Space bar to activate it.


This will place you at the top of your programs list. On my system the 
current entry is 3D Builder.
You can arrow down through the list. Currently all items say unselected. 
But whatever you are on is selected. Press Enter to activate it.


There is no first letter jump to handling in this list. But there is an 
alternative.


From any entry in the list Tab once. You will land on a group list. For 
instance, if I tab from 3D Builder I land on 0 - 9 group, and if I tab 
from calender I land on C group.

Arrow down or up to the group you want.
Press Shift-Tab to return to the main list. You will be on the first 
item in the group you selected. Arrow up or down as needed.


Folders will say Program name folder collapsed, unselected, closed, e.g. 
Window-Eyes folder, collapsed, unselected, closed.
Press Enter to open the folder. It will say "Window-Eyes unselected, 
expanded." Arrow down and up within that folder.
To close that folder you must arrow back up to "Window-Eyes folder, 
expanded" and press Enter to collapse it.

If you collapse a folder you can then again arrow up and down the main list.

What about Windows apps?
Press the Windows key, up arrow to the Apps button, and arrow right.
Apps are in a grid and we currently have no indication to the amount of 
apps present or the layout. But it is a simple row and column grid. So 
you can simply arrow right or down until you hit the wall and nothing is 
voiced. This will show you how many rows and columns there are.
If you arrow left to the first column and then arrow left again you will 
go back into the main start menu. Depending on which row of apps you 
were in you may go back to the Apps button, the Power button, or the 
Account picture button.
By the way, I've never used that power button. From the desktop the old 
fashioned Alt-F4 still works and gives you all the options, i.e. 
shutdown, sleep, restart, etc.


Whether you're on an app or a program the Application key or Shift-F10 
will open a context menu with various options.


There's probably something I've forgotten. But hopefully this will get 
you started and more comfortable with the Windows 10 start menu. Yes, I 
went into it kicking and screaming. But now that I know how to use it I 
don't mind it at all. Although I am still hoping for quick letter jump 
to handling. Perhaps one day.


Regards,
Tom

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RE: Windows 10 start menu

[RajTribhuwan via Talk]

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start menu, 
would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently on the 
desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when you 
hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.
Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press enter 
on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab along.  So 
select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press tab, you will see 
the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win 
> xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of 
> the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to 
> navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how 
> tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected” 
> items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C 
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Steve,

From the cortana search box just arrow up once to the All Apps button.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/19/2016 10:26 AM, Steve Sweeney via Talk wrote:

Hi,
When I press the Windows key on my Wincows 10 machine I get the Cortana box but 
no other items in a list.  How do I fix this so I have a start menue?
Thx -Steve


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Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:01 PM
To: window-eyes <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Windows 10 start menu

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start menus 
and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, 
Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu and what the heck 
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Alan Siman via Talk]

I had the same problem and a purchased an app called start 10 which 
converted the win 10 menu to a modified win7 version and we 9 reads it 
perfectly.


I still cannot read the notification menu without using the mouse pointer.
On 1/19/2016 7:26 AM, Steve Sweeney via Talk wrote:

Hi,
When I press the Windows key on my Wincows 10 machine I get the Cortana box but 
no other items in a list.  How do I fix this so I have a start menue?
Thx -Steve


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+n4ofl2=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:01 PM
To: window-eyes <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Windows 10 start menu

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start menus 
and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, 
Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu and what the heck 
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Don H via Talk]

The Classic shell start menu works very well with Windows 10.

On 1/19/2016 2:08 PM, tt8 via Talk wrote:

can the classic start menu be used in windows 10 ?

On 1/19/2016 10:26, Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk wrote:

another useful tool is AutoHotKey.  This will allow you to make short
cut keys all over the place.  Thus allowing you to start programs
quickly.  You can also turn your scripts in to executable   files if
you should want to.  A good reason for this is as follows.  I created
a short cut script to run on a computer.  I don't need the program on
this system.  I just put the .exe file on the system told it to run at
start up and it was good to go.
Another nice tool is classic  shell.  It allows you to use the classic
start menu interface.  This means you don't have to bother with the
new start menu if you don't want to.
In windows 8 and 8.1 I had a tool that works to remove the silly
ribbon in windows explorer and go back to the simple menu system.  Why
Microsoft thought the ribbon was a good idea I don't know.  How they
decided where they were going to put things is lost on me.
Any way hope that helps.  I will not say I know everything there is to
know either but I will say this is a wonderful operating system.  Yes
it is a work in progress but I am very happy with it so far and I
expect to get better.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the
taskbar.
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or
locating it within the start menu, then using the Applications key,
also known as the context menu key, to the left of the right-hand
control key, or with shift-F10, and using the context menu that
appears to select "pin to taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the
taskbar with Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select
that program, then the Applications key again to start the program
from a recently used file or song or website. You can also use the
taskbar to start a program (with no parameters) by pressing the
Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, which represents the position
of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks
like these you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the
start menu, would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use
frequently on the desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called
in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a
folder there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from
the start menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start
menu in the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow
down, and when you hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should
open.
Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Simon Cavendish via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and
down, although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are
not automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to
press enter on an item to select it and only then do you have choices
to tab along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as
you press tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips
as well.

Simon

On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win
xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of
the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to
navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how
tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[tt8 via Talk]

can the classic start menu be used in windows 10 ?

On 1/19/2016 10:26, Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk wrote:

another useful tool is AutoHotKey.  This will allow you to make short cut keys 
all over the place.  Thus allowing you to start programs quickly.  You can also 
turn your scripts in to executable   files if you should want to.  A good 
reason for this is as follows.  I created a short cut script to run on a 
computer.  I don't need the program on this system.  I just put the .exe file 
on the system told it to run at start up and it was good to go.
Another nice tool is classic  shell.  It allows you to use the classic start 
menu interface.  This means you don't have to bother with the new start menu if 
you don't want to.
In windows 8 and 8.1 I had a tool that works to remove the silly ribbon in 
windows explorer and go back to the simple menu system.  Why Microsoft thought 
the ribbon was a good idea I don't know.  How they decided where they were 
going to put things is lost on me.
Any way hope that helps.  I will not say I know everything there is to know 
either but I will say this is a wonderful operating system.  Yes it is a work 
in progress but I am very happy with it so far and I expect to get better.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the taskbar.
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or locating it within the 
start menu, then using the Applications key, also known as the context menu key, to the 
left of the right-hand control key, or with shift-F10, and using the context menu that 
appears to select "pin to taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the taskbar with 
Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select that program, then the 
Applications key again to start the program from a recently used file or song 
or website. You can also use the taskbar to start a program (with no 
parameters) by pressing the Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, which 
represents the position of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks like these 
you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start menu, 
would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently on the 
desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when you 
hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.
Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not automatically selected 
as it would have been before.  You need to press enter on an item to select it and only 
then do you have choices to tab along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and 
now as you press tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon

On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win
xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of
the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to
navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how
tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the taskbar. 
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or locating it 
within the start menu, then using the Applications key, also known as the 
context menu key, to the left of the right-hand control key, or with 
shift-F10, and using the context menu that appears to select "pin to 
taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the taskbar 
with Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select that program, 
then the Applications key again to start the program from a recently used 
file or song or website. You can also use the taskbar to start a program 
(with no parameters) by pressing the Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, 
which represents the position of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks like 
these you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start 
menu, would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently 
on the desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start 
menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when 
you hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.

Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press 
enter on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab 
along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press 
tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.


I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as 
well.


Simon
On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win
xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of
the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to
navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how
tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C
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RE: Windows 10 start menu

[Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk]

another useful tool is AutoHotKey.  This will allow you to make short cut keys 
all over the place.  Thus allowing you to start programs quickly.  You can also 
turn your scripts in to executable   files if you should want to.  A good 
reason for this is as follows.  I created a short cut script to run on a 
computer.  I don't need the program on this system.  I just put the .exe file 
on the system told it to run at start up and it was good to go.  
Another nice tool is classic  shell.  It allows you to use the classic start 
menu interface.  This means you don't have to bother with the new start menu if 
you don't want to.  
In windows 8 and 8.1 I had a tool that works to remove the silly ribbon in 
windows explorer and go back to the simple menu system.  Why Microsoft thought 
the ribbon was a good idea I don't know.  How they decided where they were 
going to put things is lost on me.  
Any way hope that helps.  I will not say I know everything there is to know 
either but I will say this is a wonderful operating system.  Yes it is a work 
in progress but I am very happy with it so far and I expect to get better.  



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the taskbar. 
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or locating it 
within the start menu, then using the Applications key, also known as the 
context menu key, to the left of the right-hand control key, or with shift-F10, 
and using the context menu that appears to select "pin to taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the taskbar with 
Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select that program, then the 
Applications key again to start the program from a recently used file or song 
or website. You can also use the taskbar to start a program (with no 
parameters) by pressing the Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, which 
represents the position of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks like these 
you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start menu, 
would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently on the 
desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when you 
hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.
Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press enter 
on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab along.  So 
select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press tab, you will see 
the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win 
> xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of 
> the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to 
> navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how 
> tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
> items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C 
> ___
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> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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RE: Windows 10 start menu

[Steve Sweeney via Talk]

Hi,
When I press the Windows key on my Wincows 10 machine I get the Cortana box but 
no other items in a list.  How do I fix this so I have a start menue?
Thx -Steve


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+n4ofl2=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:01 PM
To: window-eyes <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Windows 10 start menu

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start menus 
and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, 
Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu and what the heck 
“selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be 
great...Tony C ___
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Tony C via Talk]

Thanks, Yeah I'm impressed with windows 10 it's pretty stable and works 
smooth most of the time. lol. Just working on getting used to the new menus 
and navigating.  Thanks again..I'll make use of the auto hotkey..


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:26 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

another useful tool is AutoHotKey.  This will allow you to make short cut 
keys all over the place.  Thus allowing you to start programs quickly.  You 
can also turn your scripts in to executable   files if you should want to. 
A good reason for this is as follows.  I created a short cut script to run 
on a computer.  I don't need the program on this system.  I just put the 
.exe file on the system told it to run at start up and it was good to go.
Another nice tool is classic  shell.  It allows you to use the classic start 
menu interface.  This means you don't have to bother with the new start menu 
if you don't want to.
In windows 8 and 8.1 I had a tool that works to remove the silly ribbon in 
windows explorer and go back to the simple menu system.  Why Microsoft 
thought the ribbon was a good idea I don't know.  How they decided where 
they were going to put things is lost on me.
Any way hope that helps.  I will not say I know everything there is to know 
either but I will say this is a wonderful operating system.  Yes it is a 
work in progress but I am very happy with it so far and I expect to get 
better.




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

In Windows 7 or 10, I place a few frequently-used programs on the taskbar.
This can be done by finding the program by means of a search or locating it 
within the start menu, then using the Applications key, also known as the 
context menu key, to the left of the right-hand control key, or with 
shift-F10, and using the context menu that appears to select "pin to 
taskbar."
Once a program has been pinned to the taskbar, you can get to the taskbar 
with Windows-T, then use left or right arrow keys to select that program, 
then the Applications key again to start the program from a recently used 
file or song or website. You can also use the taskbar to start a program 
(with no parameters) by pressing the Windows key with a number from 1 to 0, 
which represents the position of the program along the taskbar.
I can't say that I have Windows 10 all figured out, but with tricks like 
these you can get to a lot of functionality very quickly.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: RajTribhuwan via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 4:04 AM
To: 'Simon Cavendish' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 start menu

Hello guys, for those of you who are having a problem grasping the start 
menu, would suggest you place a shortcut of the programs you use frequently 
on the desktop, or task bar area or what ever it is called in win10.
If you don't want your desktop to be cluttered, you can also create a folder 
there and give it a name that will tell you it is programs from the start 
menu.
You can also search for the program you are looking for in the start menu in 
the search area by typing the first few letters, and arrow down, and when 
you hear the one you want, just hit enter, and should open.

Hope this helps for now.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rtrib=rogers@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Simon Cavendish via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 10:38 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press 
enter on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab 
along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press 
tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.


I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as 
well.


Simon

On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win
xp and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of
the start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to
navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how
tonavigate the start menu and what the heck “selected and unselected”
items in the menus... Crap. LOL

Windows 10 start menu

[Tony C via Talk]

Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start menus 
and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn ribbons, LOL, 
Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu and what the heck 
“selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL Any help will be 
great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Edward Green via Talk]

hi Tony,

Take a look at 
http://www.blind.training/free-training/windows-training/windows-10-start-menu.

It’s not specific to Window-Eyes, though is aimed at blind people.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
> stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start 
> menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn 
> ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu 
> and what the heck “selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL 
> Any help will be great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Simon Cavendish via Talk]

Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press enter 
on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab along.  So 
select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press tab, you will see 
the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
> stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start 
> menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn 
> ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu 
> and what the heck “selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL 
> Any help will be great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Helen Murphy via Talk]

HI SIMON DO YOU KNOW OF A ANTI VIRUS WHERE I CAN PAY ONCE AND HAVE IT FOR EVER 
? WHAT IS THE ADDRESS NAM PHONE NUMBER SO I CAN KEEP IT FOR FUTURE REFRENCE 
THANK YOU HELEN M MURPHY 

On Monday, January 18, 2016 10:37 PM, Simon Cavendish via Talk 
 wrote:
 

 Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press enter 
on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab along.  So 
select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press tab, you will see 
the sub-items of the item you have selected.

I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as well.

Simon
> On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp and 
> stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the start 
> menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the damn 
> ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start menu 
> and what the heck “selected and unselected” items in the menus... Crap. LOL 
> Any help will be great...Tony C
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Re: Windows 10 start menu

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Not that I know of. As far as I know they're all subscription-based.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Helen Murphy via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:57 PM
To: Simon Cavendish ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 start menu

HI SIMON DO YOU KNOW OF A ANTI VIRUS WHERE I CAN PAY ONCE AND HAVE IT FOR 
EVER ? WHAT IS THE ADDRESS NAM PHONE NUMBER SO I CAN KEEP IT FOR FUTURE 
REFRENCE THANK YOU HELEN M MURPHY


   On Monday, January 18, 2016 10:37 PM, Simon Cavendish via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:



Hi Tony,

I entirely agree with you: I'm struggling with it myself.

As for "selected/unselected", I understand that as you arrow up and down, 
although you can hear items in the menu being spoken, they are not 
automatically selected as it would have been before.  You need to press 
enter on an item to select it and only then do you have choices to tab 
along.  So select an item in the menu, press enter, and now as you press 
tab, you will see the sub-items of the item you have selected.


I am still very shaky in the start menu and would appreciate some tips as 
well.


Simon
On 19 Jan 2016, at 00:00, Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


Ok, I used to have a pretty good mental pic of the start menu on win xp 
and stuff, but I seem to be having trouble getting a mental pic of the 
start menus and stuff on windows 10. OK,, I learned how to navigate the 
damn ribbons, LOL, Now I gotta try and figure out how tonavigate the start 
menu and what the heck “selected and unselected” items in the menus... 
Crap. LOL Any help will be great...Tony C

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